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In Russia, commented on the statement of Kiev about sacrificing the Ukrainian Navy

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The Ukrainian command is constantly looking for excuses about the reasons for the loss of warships during the "Crimean spring", reports RIA News Statement by State Duma Deputy Dmitry Belik.


In Russia, commented on the statement of Kiev about sacrificing the Ukrainian Navy


Previously Assistant Commander of Ukrainian fleet First-rank captain Marina Kanalyuk spoke about a deliberate donation by the national Navy during the events of 2014 in order to put the rest of the military units on alert.

We dragged time to enable higher structures to create conditions for the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in such a situation, and the Navy, in fact, sacrificed itself in order to give Ukraine a chance to gather all the military power that is was in the ranks and was not in the ranks,
she said.

According to Belik, the Ukrainian command "is very unconvincingly portraying the fleet as a conscious victim."

We agreed with all Ukrainian ships within a few days on the principle of "we will depict the assault, and you will surrender." In those days, the Ukrainian fleet was morally opposed to the leaders of the Maidan, and all these tales about “gathering the rest of the army” are ten tanks in the Kherson region, which did not even dare to provoke against the militia standing in Armyansk and Chongar. The Ukrainian command is now preparing to educate the youth, and there is nothing to tell them anything other than its worthlessness and cowardice. So come up stories about the conscious self-sacrifice of the fleet,
stressed the deputy.

In turn, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vladimir Komoyedov, noted that the arguments of the Ukrainian Navy about "sacrificing oneself" are illogical nonsense.

"Sacrificing oneself" seems to be the basis of the combat use of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For other methods of warfare, they did not have, nor will there be, any competent naval personnel, forces or means. If they even wanted to, they couldn’t have done anything in military terms against the Black Sea Fleet in 2014,
said Komoyedov.

He pointed out that “a significant part of the naval forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine led by their commander at that time came under the jurisdiction of the Crimea”, and those who went “to permanent base in Odessa are not the most competent naval specialists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”.

So these arguments about sacrifice, temporary prolongation and the current power of the Ukrainian army can be viewed as an illogical bullshit on the topic "In the garden elder, and uncle in Kiev,"
concluded Komoyedov.
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  1. Russia
    Russia 25 March 2018 16: 44
    +15
    The fleet is commanded by a tanker and it pleases smile He also probably announces a free-kick and removes him from the field, like the artistic director of the People’s Theater from the film “Watch Out for the Car” smile
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 25 March 2018 16: 45
      +6
      What kind of military power is she talking about, raving or something. Everyone is looking for some excuses if not for this or that, then we would give them. Honestly, it's funny to listen.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 25 March 2018 16: 49
        +5
        Sacrificed what is not ..
        Quote: Spartanez300
        What kind of military power is she talking about, raving or something.
        1. Going
          Going 25 March 2018 16: 54
          +6
          Quote: Rusland
          The fleet is commanded by a tanker and it pleases smile He also probably announces a free-kick and removes him from the field, like the artistic director of the People’s Theater from the film “Watch Out for the Car” smile


          You can’t command what is not, therefore, the tankman ... lol
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 25 March 2018 22: 56
            0
            With such a fleet, the tractor driver will command ...
        2. Borik
          Borik 25 March 2018 20: 32
          +3
          [Quote] [/ quote]
          Don’t say that Ukrainians cleverly acted, leaving us this rusty iron so that we would dispose of it.
      2. AleksPol
        AleksPol 25 March 2018 16: 51
        +6
        Spring, menopause, but you never know what this melancholy can have.
        1. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 25 March 2018 18: 21
          +1
          Quote: AleksPol
          Spring, menopause, but you never know what this melancholy can have.

          Fantasy from lack of sexual relations.
        2. LeonidL
          LeonidL 25 March 2018 22: 57
          0
          Do not offend the girl! Not melancholy, but low-chunk - these are two big differences! ... I mean two different rooms and different prescriptions for drugs!
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 March 2018 17: 06
      +10
      Quote: Rusland
      The fleet is commanded by a tanker and it pleases

      Why not a gynecologist? This is now a European trend.
      1. AleksPol
        AleksPol 25 March 2018 17: 15
        +5
        Andrew welcome. Better proctologist, for Ukraine it is more relevant
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 March 2018 17: 18
          +5
          Quote: AleksPol
          Andrew welcome.

          Welcome. hi
          Quote: AleksPol
          Better proctologist, for Ukraine it is more relevant

          On the other hand, all this is a very sad sight ...
          1. AleksPol
            AleksPol 25 March 2018 17: 41
            +1
            And when has there been positive news from Ukraine lately? I don’t remember something.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 25 March 2018 17: 46
              +9
              Quote: AleksPol
              And when has there been positive news from Ukraine lately? I don’t remember something.

              I mean that, in fact, all this Bendery and NATO evil spirits divorced on our territory. In what nightmare could the Soviet generals dream of this?
              1. AleksPol
                AleksPol 25 March 2018 17: 49
                +3
                So they would not have allowed this.
            2. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock 26 March 2018 06: 35
              0
              yes no, but this one
              Intelligence of the APU exploded mine
          2. 210ox
            210ox 25 March 2018 18: 06
            +2
            Andrew... laughing good A sad sight ... Ass at the reception ...
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: AleksPol
            Andrew welcome.

            Welcome. hi
            Quote: AleksPol
            Better proctologist, for Ukraine it is more relevant

            On the other hand, all this is a very sad sight ...
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 25 March 2018 20: 22
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Rusland
          The fleet is commanded by a tanker and it pleases

          Why not a gynecologist? This is now a European trend.

          Quote: AleksPol
          Andrew welcome. Better proctologist, for Ukraine it is more relevant

          Or maybe they need help to solve the problem with the brain, then everything will work out with everything else?
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 March 2018 17: 28
      +2
      Quote: Rusland
      The fleet is commanded by a tanker and it pleases

      Yeah like in the song
      Yes, you have a mother - a teacher .....
    4. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 25 March 2018 17: 56
      +3
      The commander of the Navy has a unique military rank in world history: admiral of the tank forces.
      As for the ships - under his leadership, they can only execute the command "Dig in!"
    5. Elizar Zadunaysky
      Elizar Zadunaysky 25 March 2018 18: 08
      +1
      and who else will be able to command submarines, although they are not in the steppes of Ukraine, only the tanker to whom the tank was not trusted
    6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2018 19: 35
      0
      Quote: Rusland
      The fleet is commanded by a tanker and it pleases

      We have a videoconferencing commander
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 March 2018 16: 44
    +3
    "We took time to enable higher structures to create the conditions for the use of the Armed Forces in such a situation, and the Navy, in fact, sacrificed itself in order to give Ukraine a chance to collect all the military power that exists, which was in the ranks and was not in the ranks "

    Now, they are probably worried, the “invincible armada” in the war against the Crimean bridge would be very useful. smile
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 March 2018 16: 50
      +1
      Conditions for the use of the APU? How is it? They were created? So why I do not see the APU in the Crimea?
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "We took time to enable higher structures to create the conditions for the use of the Armed Forces in such a situation, and the Navy, in fact, sacrificed itself in order to give Ukraine a chance to collect all the military power that exists, which was in the ranks and was not in the ranks "

      Now, they are probably worried, the “invincible armada” in the war against the Crimean bridge would be very useful. smile
    2. helmi8
      helmi8 25 March 2018 18: 47
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Now, they are probably worried, the “invincible armada” in the war against the Crimean bridge would be very useful.

      Yeah ... They would have flooded them, blocking the Kerch Strait
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  4. Cat
    Cat 25 March 2018 16: 45
    +4
    There is nothing to blame on someone else's face if you have your own curve!
    To be honest, it’s already raked to hear, God forgive me, nonsense and nonsense.
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 March 2018 16: 48
    +14
    Assistant Commander of the Ukrainian Fleet, Captain First Rank Marina Kanalyuk

    Baba on the ship, Khan of the Navy ... wink
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 March 2018 16: 54
      +2
      Marina, do not be discouraged .. laughing In the early 90s, one cook .. Ah, cook! Saved a whole tanker on the Volga .. Together with the crew .. They got drunk and made a firework ..
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Assistant Commander of the Ukrainian Fleet, Captain First Rank Marina Kanalyuk

      Baba on the ship, Khan of the Navy ... wink
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 25 March 2018 17: 00
        +6
        Each rule has an exception ... in the case of the Krajina fleet, everything is strictly according to the rules ... laughing
        1. 210ox
          210ox 25 March 2018 17: 15
          +3
          There, yes, I agree. The funeral procedure is strictly regulated ..
          Quote: Masya Masya
          Each rule has an exception ... in the case of the Krajina fleet, everything is strictly according to the rules ... laughing
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 25 March 2018 16: 55
      +4
      Masya masya hi (Marina)
      Woman on the ship, Khan Navy
      - laughing good
      statement of Kiev on the sacrifice of the Ukrainian Navy
      It was they who prepared for this sacrifice for a long time. For almost a quarter of a century, these pieces of iron barely served. So that later we could sacrifice this rubbish. It seems that our warriors spent their forces on keeping these troughs afloat. Then yes. I agree. The plan was successful laughing
      1. Russia
        Russia 25 March 2018 16: 58
        +6
        But they dug up the Black Sea, a shoemaker without boots laughing
  6. Angestyr
    Angestyr 25 March 2018 16: 50
    +2
    you need to read the word "power" in the Ukrainian interpretation
    "Relics" - the remains (read without further interpretation)
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 25 March 2018 16: 52
    +7
    We dragged time to enable higher structures to create conditions for the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in such a situation, and the Navy, in fact, sacrificed itself in order to give Ukraine a chance to gather all the military power that is was in the ranks and was not in the ranks,
    Some kind of crazy-meaningless statement. More like a set of words. In what self-sacrifice is probably known only to this woman with epaulets of caperang ..
  8. Going
    Going 25 March 2018 16: 57
    +4
    According to Belik, the Ukrainian command "is very unconvincingly portraying the fleet as a conscious victim."


    They raped poor Ukraine and continue to swagger.
  9. svp67
    svp67 25 March 2018 17: 10
    +2
    Assistant Commander of the Ukrainian Fleet, Captain First Rank Marina Kanalyuk


    ... was born on October 5, 1978 in the family of a soldier in the village of Vanino, Sovgavansky district, Khabarovsk Territory. In Soviet times, military families often changed their place of residence. The service threw them from end to end of a huge country, so Marina, an officer daughter, was brought up almost in Spartan conditions. After the collapse of the Union, my father took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine and received a position in the operational management of the General Staff - the holy of holies of the Armed forces: it is this unit that prepares action plans for all possible cases.
    The family remained in Sevastopol. When Marina graduated from high school and the problem of choosing a university arose, the family council decided: to enter the Nakhimov Sevastopol Naval Institute. She was an excellent student and sportswoman, was engaged in swimming and tennis, therefore, there were no problems with admission.
    Years of study passed quickly, and a young fair-haired girl, having received lieutenant epaulettes, set off for distribution to one of the Crimean units - a separate communications center for electronic warfare (EW).


    The part turned out to be so “separate” that for several days Marina could not find her future place of service, it was so successfully masked. In the end, among the hills and small forests, almost under the barn, she found, not without the help of her colleagues, her unit, which for several years became almost native.

    The prewar decline of the Navy and the rest of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place before her eyes. It was very difficult to maintain discipline in part: even self-mutilation happened. Under the command of a young specialist, there were almost twenty personnel, including the brave combat midshipman - a marine who exchanged five dozen. Of course, he kept discipline in general matters of service, says Captain Kanalyuk, but in his spare time, the former “black beret” liked to lay behind his collar, so the combat readiness of the unit left much to be desired.

    “To show the former Marine Commander that he is not working well, I had to take unpopular measures. I hung a large sheet of whatman paper (thick paper) on the wall, where everyone noted what exactly he had done in a day. After a few weeks, it became clear who was doing what, ”recalls Marina.

    One day, says the captain of the first rank, the trained tablet-players at the command post were replaced by high-heeled girls (“By God, it was clear, I clearly remember these heels,” she recalls), who had no idea which side of the transparent card they needed to stand. And after some time, the command had the idea that the country did not need parts of electronic warfare. The unit was disbanded. Senior Lieutenant Marina Kanalyuk in the absence of the unit commander led, if I may say so, the liquidation commission. I handed over affairs to the capital’s archive, dealt with equipment. Old trucks - ZILs and "lawns" - had to be driven to other parts of the fleet. Because of this, the officer had a conflict with the then commander of a squadron of diverse forces Igor Tenyukh, the future commander and minister. Before sending the equipment, Marina received two mutually exclusive telegrams, but decided to send the convoy, which caused the admiral’s anger. Later the misunderstanding was settled, and, thanks to Tenyuhu, Marina received distribution to a new duty station. There she put on new shoulder straps of the captain-lieutenant.

    Having almost eight years of experience in military service, she began to engage in science, participated in the creation of the theory of the use of forces and means in modern warfare. We omit the specifics, for obvious reasons, but believe me: it was not a waste of time. Then Kanalyuk mastered the direction of international military cooperation. Becoming an assistant commander, she began to deal with the problem of the Russian Black Sea Fleet being in Ukraine and joined the Ukrainian-Russian interstate commission for the division of the fleet. True, she could not accomplish anything outstanding there: all have already decided politicians, and even in the 1990s.


    By the way, at the time of the appointment, namely April 3, 2009
    ... in Sevastopol, the commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Admiral Igor Tenyukh, introduced to the admirals and officers of the command of the Ukrainian navy his assistant, captain of the 3rd rank, Marina Kanalyuk.
    "She will be responsible for issues related to the functioning of the structures of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and its presence on the territory of Ukraine. ", The message says.

    Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea, and the APU and the trace has caught a cold, so that even answers ...
    1. Russia
      Russia 25 March 2018 18: 54
      +5
      Thanks for the selection hi
  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 25 March 2018 17: 12
    +3
    Ukrainian Navy: a fleet in Crimea sacrificed itself to win time for Kiev.
    Tick ​​the lads! laughing
  11. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 25 March 2018 17: 41
    0
    And yet, I think ukro-patriots should be proud of the exploits of their valiant sailors!
    You ask what feats?
    Well, it’s not for me, it’s for Parashenka every day for several countries for his country and its structures he comes up with.
  12. sabakina
    sabakina 25 March 2018 17: 46
    +4
    to give Ukraine a chance to gather all its military power,
    Still collected around the world. But Russia is a toadstool, it didn’t come to war!
  13. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 25 March 2018 17: 52
    +1
    The whole of Ukraine was sacrificed for the opportunity to clean the toilet in Europe.
  14. mavrus
    mavrus 25 March 2018 17: 57
    +1
    But I didn’t understand ... What was it? Zrada il peremoga?
  15. Falcond
    Falcond 25 March 2018 18: 08
    +1
    And the Ukrainian command also sacrificed the creation of its space group ???))
  16. izya top
    izya top 25 March 2018 18: 21
    +2
    and so rejoice at the collapse of the USSR, such a shame for sailors, as a navy, and in a nightmare do not dream
  17. Vl1602ad
    Vl1602ad 25 March 2018 18: 53
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    The prewar decline of the Navy and the rest of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place before her eyes.

    Apparently from the official biography: they introduce into the minds of Ukrainians that a war is underway with Russia, and Ukraine is fighting at the forefront with the "evil empire."
  18. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah 25 March 2018 19: 14
    +3
    The fleet is commanded by a tanker who tried, as it was necessary for four tanks in 2014 to restore order in Simferopol. A woman in the assistant commander’s mouth opens wider than intended, writes a new, sacrificial history of the fleet, which never represented any combat value. Everything is as we have now, it is necessary to blurt out something, so that they notice, so that they don’t forget
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 25 March 2018 19: 16
    +1
    Nobody wanted to answer for the defeat. This is where the legs grow from. To name the guilty person who is now in power means to make problems for yourself, like this, with every turn of the idea and hypothesis of failure, there are speculations.
    The most interesting thing will be after the departure of Poroshenko and his team. Whoever comes to take responsibility for the mess will not and everything will pop up in a new color. They will immediately find the culprit
  20. faterdom
    faterdom 25 March 2018 20: 11
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Senior Lieutenant Marina Kanalyuk in the absence of the unit commander led, if I may say so, the liquidation commission.

    Well, experienced fellow. I hope that this experience will be very useful to her, for the Navy, this is what the doctor ordered, it is high time to create a liquidation commission, and finally get down to business. But the ground forces will be liquidated in the boiler way, there Zakharchenko with his "commission".
  21. Palagecha
    Palagecha 25 March 2018 20: 43
    0
    That our military, that the Ukrop ones are sometimes annealed ... you sit and think how a person who makes such ridiculous statements as a mockery of common sense falls into such high posts, if sometimes you require a higher education to get a simple sold in a sack, knowledge of a foreign language, a car, and still need to go through a polygraph ... If, for example, if you raise a military alert, and do not touch the fleet at all, if there is a military threat, then how will this improve something?
  22. Altona
    Altona 25 March 2018 20: 59
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Why not a gynecologist? This is now a European trend.

    ----------------------
    In general, I am inclined towards a proctologist, if we already put the doctor at the head of the "most powerful army in Europe." And "sacrificing oneself" is also a trend.
  23. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 25 March 2018 21: 07
    0
    If they sacrificed, then rusty objects from the cemetery of the ships. It’s strange somehow, to declare scrap as a victim.
  24. mult-65
    mult-65 25 March 2018 22: 13
    0
    I am far from a naval special. But with regards to land types of aircraft, here we have an ever-increasing hemorrhagic on the Khokhlyat side. There is a huge bunch of well-trained ideological fighters.
  25. LeonidL
    LeonidL 25 March 2018 22: 54
    0
    Was there a fleet ??? That is the question!!!
  26. tochila
    tochila 25 March 2018 23: 08
    +1
    Type - WE DID, BUT NOT FROM FEAR, BUT FROM HUGE DECISION !!!!
  27. Catfish
    Catfish 26 March 2018 00: 05
    +1
    Quote: AleksPol
    And when has there been positive news from Ukraine lately? I don’t remember something.


    There were. Recently. Tymoshenko congratulated Putin on his re-election. laughing

    Quote: Metallurg_2
    The commander of the Navy has a unique military rank in world history: admiral of the tank forces.
    As for the ships - under his leadership, they can only execute the command "Dig in!"


    You slightly confuse the tank troops with the infantry, the command "dig in" is from the Queen of the Fields. hi

    But in fact: no matter who commands what is not, nothing from such a command will change. So they only have such statements that, apart from laughter, do not cause anything. How "strong and powerful" the Ukrainian army is visible to everyone who wants to see and hear. What do you want to sacrifice - but to the point of Nem. It is a pity that they have come to this. After all, not every second Zapadenskaya bastard there and not every third. (I hope). sad
  28. Proton
    Proton 26 March 2018 00: 42
    0
    They both donated a whit in the Crimea, and donated tanks, guns and other things in the Donbass wassat
  29. shinobi
    shinobi 26 March 2018 04: 53
    +1
    Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers! wassat
  30. demo
    demo 26 March 2018 13: 27
    +1

    And here, in fact, the heroine herself. These are the sacrificial persons. Both by itself and the fleet.
  31. Suhow
    Suhow 26 March 2018 15: 20
    0
    donated the fleet ... well, well ... most of it, like Zaporizhzhya, never went to sea, rusted .... Nem was penniless (and then on the battery for the boat it was all necessary 20 lemons of hryvnia), on .. the fig was draining at the section during the section ... so that later it would be scrapped. There will be no brain, it’s greed. The sailors served most of the shore service, like most flyers. Who will follow such "leaders" ...