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Attacking "Petrel"

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The patrol ships of the 1135 ("Petrel") offshore zone in stories Russian fleet occupy a special place. Differing from their predecessors not only in their elegant appearance, but also in their weapon systems and means for detecting enemy submarines, advanced energy and a high level of automation, these ships brought the country's long-range anti-submarine defense to a qualitatively new level. The successful design provided them with a long active service at all the sea and ocean theaters, their capabilities have not been exhausted to this day. Possessing modern missile, anti-aircraft, torpedo and artillery weapons, project 1135 TFRs became multifunctional, the most popular and beloved among naval sailors. It is no coincidence that they were released by the largest series.



The newest frigates of the Indian Navy of the Talwar type, which are rightfully considered to be among the most advanced in the world, are a profound modernization of the very same “Petrel” created by Soviet ships in the 70s.

The 1135 “Petrel” project appeared as if at the crossroads of two directions in the evolution of our fleet's anti-submarine ships — small (159 and 35 projects) and large (61 project). At that time, the Soviet Navy went out into the world ocean, and its main task was to fight nuclear submarines of a potential enemy. It was then that the first anti-submarine ships of the ocean zone were created - the 1123 cruiser-helicopter carriers, the 1 BOD of the 1134A and 1134B projects, the 2 BOD of the 61 project, which showed themselves from the best side. But their high cost forced the fleet management to supplement the arsenal of anti-submarine forces with a smaller displacement and less expensive ships of the near zone, which are also capable of operating in remote areas of the ocean, along with cruisers and BOD.

The main task of the patrol ships is the destruction of enemy ships and submarines and the provision of anti-submarine, anti-aircraft and anti-ship defense of the connections of ships and ships.



The main TTX patrol ship pr.1135:
Displacement:
standard 2810 t
full 3200 t
Length:
greatest 123 m
on the waterline 113 m
Width:
greatest 14.2 m
on the waterline 13,2 m
Draft / board height at full displacement:
nose xnumx / xnumx m
stern 4,12 / 7,1 m
on midi 4,28 / 9,56 m
Power installation: 2 GTU by 17.000 hp afterburner mode (sustainer - on 6.000), fixed-pitch propeller 2
Speed: 32 node (economic rate - 14 nodes)
Navigation range: 1290 miles (30 nodes), 5000 miles (14 nodes)
Autonomy: 30 days
Armament: URPK-5 "Clamp" (4 PU); 2 x 2 Launcher OSR Osa (40 missiles 9M-33); 2 x 76-mm universal AK-726; 2 x 4 533-mm TA; 2 x 12 RBU-6000; 20 min, 4 PU dipole reflectors PK-16.
On ships of the 1135M project, AK-726 twin gun mounts, replaced with AK-100 gun mounts, and is equipped with the Lion artillery control radar MP-114
Radar: navigation radars "Don-2" or "Mius" and "Volga" or MP-212 / 201 "Vaigach-U", radar detection of air targets MP-310U "Angara-M" radar fire control "Monsoon" (RCC ), MPZ-301 "Base" (ZRK), MP-105 "Turret" (AU)
GAK: under the ground GAS MG-332 "Titan-2", towed by GUS MG-325 "Vega", the underwater communication system MG-26, echo sounder NEL-5
Crew: 197 man, including
23 officer,
27 officers,
Xnumx sailors.



In 1983-1984, the patrol ship “Zharky” was upgraded according to the 11353 project at the plant. A.A. Zhdanov with the placement of the new SJSC "Zvezda-MG" for testing. Moreover, its standard displacement has increased by more than 350 tons.

In 1983, the 11352 project was developed and placed on the ships of the SCRC “Uranus”. However, its implementation due to delays in the creation of a new generation of tactical anti-ship missiles was delayed until the start of the 1990-s. Before the collapse of the USSR and the landslide reduction of the Navy, only two ships were modernized: the Leningrad Komsomol member and the Pylky. On them, the place of the removed RBU-6000 was installed in two quadruple launchers of the Uran missile, Frigate MA was installed instead of the Angara radar, and Titan 2 was installed instead of the Titan-2 GAS. True, the upgraded ships sailed without PKR due to their unavailability (in the west they were called “Modified Krivak-I class”).
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  1. vadson
    vadson 28 September 2013 09: 10
    20
    all the same, our ships are more beautiful than American. Yes, it seems to me that the Yankees themselves seem prettier to our ships, remember the joke when the Yankees inserted our ships into their presentation like it's them. some veteran then admonished them. conclusion some kind of woodpecker sculpted the presentation and chose from all the pictures those that he liked best .....
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 28 September 2013 09: 30
      +9
      Quote: vadson
      like this is theirs. some veteran then admonished them.

      Well, if our ships turned out to be a veteran and probably a former sailor of the USSR Navy?

      Quote: vadson
      some kind of woodpecker sculpted the presentation and chose from all the pictures those that he liked best .....

      Well, why so rude woodpecker ??? On the face good taste in a person, as they say, chose the most beautiful and powerful! He is not a woodpecker, but a real artist with a craving for beauty ???
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 28 September 2013 14: 00
        +3
        Quote: Arberes
        Well, if our ships turned out to be a veteran and probably a former sailor of the USSR Navy?


        Well, why this irony? request

        1. Arberes
          Arberes 28 September 2013 19: 30
          +1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Well, why this irony?

          Well, if a veteran of the US Navy could not distinguish his ships from ours, then therefore he is not a veteran of the US Navy or a veteran of ours?
          One out of two? I also learned this funny patch from the news six months ago. if my memory serves me, but thanks for the video! hi
          Always admired the beauty and power of our ships! This is without irony! drinks
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 28 September 2013 19: 39
            +2
            Quote: Arberes
            Well, if a veteran of the US Navy could not distinguish his ships from ours, then therefore he is not a veteran of the US Navy or a veteran of ours?


            There "the girl in the editorial office" distinguished herself, well, like we do ----



            Quote: Arberes
            Always admired the beauty and power of our ships! This is without irony!


            A couple of years ago, on vacation (on a blue business, I wandered into the base of the Black Sea Fleet of Ukraine) almost climbed onto the Sagaidachny, while trying to climb into the territory of the Black Sea Fleet base of the Russian Federation, he almost snatched it from the outfit. recourse
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 28 September 2013 13: 54
      +6
      Quote: vadson
      all the same, our ships are more beautiful than American.


      Agree drinks .

      clickable.
    3. PN
      PN 28 September 2013 14: 05
      +9
      We have not only the most beautiful ships, but also the girls))).
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 28 September 2013 14: 45
        +7
        Quote: PN
        We have not only the most beautiful ships, but also the girls))).
  2. In the reeds
    In the reeds 28 September 2013 09: 17
    14
    We called him the TFR of the Second Rank in this ship it was impossible not to fall in love at first sight and for life
  3. Mhpv
    Mhpv 28 September 2013 10: 42
    +7
    The sound of the turbines alone at the beginning of the movement gave the status of greatness to these ships, the growing quiet and quiet whistle from them bewitched as the sound of an expensive and powerful car. The forward-looking hull, the helipad with the hangar and the final weapons. I looked at this handsome man throughout the service, but never even had the chance to visit him. soldier
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 September 2013 21: 43
      +3
      Quote: mhpv
      A forward-looking hull, behind a helipad with a hangar and final weapons.

      Volodya, I'm sorry, brother! 1135 did not have a helicopter and a platform with a hangar, for which we always reproached the designers. And the ship became a real fighter only after the 3rd stage of modernization, when "sleds" for "Uranus" and "Fregat MA" radar were installed on it. And the boat was really wonderful: a salable one. Suffice it to say that "Pylky" held the Blue Ribbon of the Baltic Sea, reaching St. Petersburg faster than the MRK. True, he did not compete with MDKVP.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 30 September 2013 05: 50
        0

        Boa KAA RU Yesterday, 21:43 ↑
        Quote: mhpv
        A forward-looking hull, behind a helipad with a hangar and final weapons.
        Volodya, I'm sorry, brother! 1135 did not have a helicopter and a platform with a hangar, which we always reproached the designers for.

        This is it about - "Chervona Ukraine" wink I made friends with the misanthrope, so it went like this: "the coaming platform bent like a puck-grover" lol .
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 30 September 2013 19: 04
          0
          Quote: shpuntik
          shpuntik This is it about - "Chervona Ukrainu" I made friends with the misanthrope, so it went like this: "the coaming pad was bent like a puck-grover."

          No, is it "he" about this ship or, according to you, it is made on the basis of 205 laughing

          To whom it was necessary he understood, but I’m watching. wassat, although someone said that I was arrogant. You can read about the coaming site and all versions from N. Cherkashin
          Gone with the abyss. The death of the Kursk.
          Nikolai Andreevich Cherkashin
          They were young. They faithfully served the Motherland. She could not save them. What are the reasons for their death? The author is trying to figure it out, he seeks to look farther and deeper than others and only guesses to him the truth of this tragedy ...
          Nikolai Andreevich Cherkashin
          Gone to the abyss
          foreword
          The experience of my service in submarines during the Great Patriotic War in the Baltic Sea, the experience of commanding submarine formations during the Cold War, and also the experience of commanding the Northern Fleet give me the right to say that the death of the Kursk missile nuclear submarine with one hundred and eighteen submarines on board - This is a tragedy not only for our Navy, for the military department, but also for the people of all Russia.
          This grave incident in the Northern Fleet in peacetime testifies to the extremely difficult situation and serious omissions in the training of the Navy forces in the conditions of the so-called “reforms”. Needless to say, what serious damage has been done over the past years to the Armed Forces of Russia in general and the Navy in particular. But the most loyal and persistent officers remained in service, such as the commander of the Kursk, captain of the 1 rank Gennady Lyachin, captain-lieutenant Dmitry Kolesnikov, many other sailors ...
          The tragedy of the Kursk nuclear submarine equipped with modern technology is a serious lesson for the command of the Navy of the Russian Federation and especially for the command of the Northern Fleet and the connection of nuclear submarines. This is a strict reminder that the sea and underwater service do not forgive mistakes, but require the highest sense of responsibility in solving the main task - the defense of the homeland from sea and ocean directions.
          Now that the difficult task of raising the Kursk submarine is being solved, it is very important to determine the true causes of the disaster, the reasons for the death of the submariners so that proper conclusions are drawn and similar misfortunes are not repeated in the future.
          I believe that the work of the writer, a former submariner of captain 1 rank Nikolai Cherkashin, will serve this important matter and will be useful for the submarine forces of the Russian Navy.
          Hero of the Soviet Union Admiral of the Fleet Georgy Egorov

          And you shouldn’t teach me who to be friends with, I’m already a boy old enough hi
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 1 October 2013 06: 14
            0
            MCHPV (2) SU Yesterday, 19:04 ↑
            You can read about coaming site and all versions from N. Cherkashin

            I’ll get to Cherkashin before, read it. Probably somewhere in Peredelkino wrote, along with the admiral. There are also officers who lack the spirit to tell the truth.
            As for "calm down", I am calm and will not allow such types as "misanthrope" to mock the crew of the "Kursk". "There were no means of rescue," "the divers were disbanded," "the VVD pipe was fried, the cylinders exploded," "the first explosion was more powerful than the second," "washer-grover," etc., etc.
            Here is a video where the whole and unharmed coaming area is clearly visible - 2 min. 40 sec It shines because it is sawn under five hundred parts, and is made of stainless steel (alloyed).

      2. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 26 November 2013 21: 38
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        I mean project 1135p, in my opinion, instead of aft towers and BU GAS there was a hangar for a helicopter, one 100mm tower on the tank, one self-defense air defense system, one AK-1 battery. "Dzerzhinsky", "Menzhinsky", "630th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union" - there may be others.
    2. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 September 2013 06: 11
      0
      MCHP (2) SU September 28, 2013 10:42
      A forward-looking hull, behind a helipad with a hangar and final weapons.

      Volodya, the photo is in the article, which helicopter? laughing Tie with misanthropy :-)
      "Khimka" from BC-5: keep the connecting rod from the M-504!
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 September 2013 10: 55
    11
    Handsome man! We were able to build ships! hi
  5. Mhpv
    Mhpv 28 September 2013 11: 33
    +2
    http://my.mail.ru/video/mail/mezhin74/_myvideo/43.html
    Pr1135 the legendary "Vorovsky" in service in the MCHPV and at the same time the consequences of the Ak 630 shooting
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 28 September 2013 15: 22
      +4
      PSKR "Vorovsky" Project 1135.1 "Nereus" built in 1990. Based on 1135 "Petrel". Handsome men today.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 28 September 2013 15: 31
        0
        "Getman Sagaidachny" ("Kirov") closed the series PSKR 1135.1 in Kerch.
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv 28 September 2013 20: 26
        0
        By the end of the 70s, it became necessary to control the vast sea areas in the Far East and North - first of all, the 200-mile economic zone. In this regard, the Severnoye Design Bureau, on the instructions of the USSR KGB, on the basis of the tested project 1135 "Burevestnik", developed a technical project for a border patrol ship, which received the code 1135.1 "Nereus" (chief designer N.P. Sobolev; since 1980, the project was finalized by A.K.Shnyrov ). Built "nerei" at the Kerch plant named after. BE Butomy "Zaliv". A total of eight units entered service, with the last of the ships being part of the Ukrainian Navy. The ninth PSKR was mothballed on the slipway. He also became the property of Ukraine.

        Order No. Name Date of signing of the acceptance certificate:
        201 "Menzhinsky" 29.12.1983
        202 "Dzerzhinsky" 29.12.1984
        203 "Name of the 27 Congress of the CPSU" ("Eagle") 30.9.1986
        204 “The Name of the 70 Anniversary of the Cheka-KGB” (“Pskov”) 1987
        205 “Names of the 70 Anniversary of the Border Troops” 30.12.1988
        206 "Cedars" 28.12.1989
        207 "Thieves" 29.12.1990
        208 "Hetman Sagaidachny" ("Kirov") 11.7.1993
        209 "Getman Vishnevetsky"
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        3. shpuntik
          shpuntik 30 September 2013 07: 41
          0
          MCHP (2) SU September 28, 2013 20:26 p.m. ↑
          On the instructions of the KGB of the USSR, on the basis of the tested project 1135 "Burevestnik", the Northern Design Bureau developed a technical project for a border patrol ship, which received the code 1135.1 "Nereus" (chief designer N.P. Sobolev; since 1980, the project was finalized by A.K.Shnyrov).

          Well, finally! "Nereya" and "Petrel" discerned, well done. There is the Indian Talwar with a helicopter, based on 1135, but 1135.6 adds 1000 deadweight tons, + 33%. There is a difference, right? fellow
  6. Stasi
    Stasi 28 September 2013 14: 32
    +3
    Our ships are really not only beautiful but also powerful. It is interesting how many such ships of the Burevestnik project are in the fleet now. In the dashing 90s, when many different good ships were sawn for scrap, this fate also affected some ships of this type, as they wrote in the press. Meanwhile, such ships are very necessary for our fleet now.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 28 September 2013 17: 09
      +3
      Quote: Stasi
      I wonder how many such ships of the Burevestnik project are in the fleet now.


      If I'm not mistaken, 5 serve Russia and one Ukraine - "Sevastopol" project 1135M, and 6 serve India (project 11356)

      Quote: Stasi
      Meanwhile, such ships are very necessary for our fleet now.


      3 ships of the 11356P / M project seem to be being built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, another is being built for the Baltic Fleet, by the way, a contract for two more ships was signed for the Baltic.
      If the cook does not lie to us, it is planned to sign contracts for the construction of three ships in three years.

      Something like that. hi
      1. Gans1234
        Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 42
        0
        All 6 first will go to the Black Sea Fleet - there it is more necessary.
        They are not going to build anymore yet - although if they crawl with other frigates in the same way - then they will have to increase the 11356P / M series
  7. Mhpv
    Mhpv 28 September 2013 15: 03
    +1
    [media = http: //my.mail.ru/video/mail/brigantina-firm/Vseomore/1101.html]
    And this is how the younger brothers 1124 "Albatross" looks at maximum speed.
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  9. xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 September 2013 18: 54
    +3
    In the 80s I had to visit several TFR pr. 1135 from the SF and BF. Several of our systems worked there. And as an engineer and as an artist, I especially liked them against the background of the larger 1134 and others. Okay! Everything is proportionate, thought out. As the aircraft designer Tupolev often estimated the beauty of the aircraft and predicted its fate, so this ship was harmonious. Marketable, powerful, it was produced in dozens of shipyards. Dozens of glorious names "Petrel" were deservedly smile .
  10. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 28 September 2013 19: 15
    0
    Six 11356 ships are planned for the Black Sea Fleet, three are already under construction.
  11. Takashi
    Takashi 28 September 2013 20: 13
    +4
    article is too short. I think about such a ship you can and should write more. Especially how he served \ walked on the oceans
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 28 September 2013 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Takashi
      article is too short. I think about such a ship you can and should write more. Especially how he served \ walked on the oceans


      Let me subscribe soldier .
  12. Bibliographer
    Bibliographer 28 September 2013 20: 47
    +1
    TFR "Bezavavetny" of project 1135.2 under the command of Captain 2nd Rank Bogdashin pushed the cruiser URO "Yorktown" out of the territorial waters of the USSR on February 12, 1988.
    1. Wii
      Wii 29 September 2013 06: 37
      +1
      It’s just that pride takes over ours, seeing how America has done it!
  13. moremansf
    moremansf 28 September 2013 21: 26
    +4
    There were good ships, hard workers ... it is a pity there were few of them left ... they served the fleet ... not a single BS could do without them ... honestly deserved to create a museum on their base, but I don’t really need it, here and one of the representatives of this legendary project rusts on the Moskva River ...
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 29 September 2013 11: 08
      0
      Residents and guests of Moscow, traveling along the Leningradsky Bridge, have been observing a warship moored at the Port of the Cooling Plant of the Northern River Port for more than ten years. How did he get on a shallow river, and what is its function, being here?
      The Druzhny patrol ship bought from the Russian fleet and decommissioned in 2003 from Baltiysk was delivered to the Yantar plant in Kaliningrad, where conversion work was started in accordance with a specially designed project. In the autumn of that year, work was completed, and the lightweight corps across the Baltic Sea and inland waterways was towed to Moscow. Such towing was a rather complicated and non-trivial operation. The length of the ship’s hull is more than 120 m, and the draft is about 4 m, which made it extremely possible to move through locks and waterways.
      It would be logical to assume that the former patrol ship of the USSR Navy will become a museum ship, because in the Soviet Union and modern history there were quite a few examples of such a reassignment. Thus, the residents of the Russian capital have been waiting for many years when the half-dismantled patrol ship Druzhny with tail number 754 will be put in order and opened for visitors as one of the exhibits of the Moscow Maritime Museum. It would be correct to include the well-deserved Baltic Fleet warship in the exposition of the Moscow Museum and Memorial Complex and place it next to the B-396 diesel submarine of the 641B project, the unique Orlenok ekranoplan and the Skat hovercraft. The opening of a maritime museum on board a real warship would have a very positive effect on the level of patriotic education of the younger generation.
      However, in reality, this is not so. In 2003, a group of individuals purchased a warship from the Russian fleet at a scrap price and ordered the patrol ship to be converted into a multifunctional entertainment center. In the documentation of the TFR, "Druzhny" was designated as the "museum, cultural and entertainment complex" 754 ". Accordingly, an architectural design for the deployment of a military vessel near the embankment next to the Andreevsky bridge in the center of Moscow was soon developed.
      The following objects should have been the basis of the infrastructure of the cultural and entertainment complex in accordance with the project concept and available capabilities:
      two restaurants on 200 and 70 seats;
      Concert Hall with 400 seats;
      disco for 250 people;
      Internet cafe for 50 people;
      slot machine room for children;
      trade pavilions;
      The total area of ​​infrastructure facilities of the entertainment complex under the project was about 4000 sq. m. Only a modest room was allocated for the museum of the history of the ship. But it was not possible to implement the plans immediately and establish a floating casino in the planned place - since the 1 of July, the 2009 of the year, gambling has been banned.
      This is the only known case in the Russian Federation when private individuals decided to convert a former warship into a floating casino for placement on the Moscow River. It was planned to equip the ship with gambling equipment and decorate cabins, halls, bars and other rooms according to the best standards upon arrival in Moscow. There is nothing unusual about this. There are quite a lot of similar conversions in the world, including with the former ships of the Navy of the USSR. For example, the heavy aircraft carrier Minsk was bought by China and now serves as an entertainment center in the city of Shenzhen.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 29 September 2013 11: 11
        0
        And today, a half-dismantled patrol ship is standing at the berth of the Portokholodokombinat of the Northern River Port on the Khimki Reservoir. In December 2010, the owners of the 754 facility put up the Druzhny TFR for sale and hope to find a buyer who will bring the matter to mind. The price of a floating entertainment complex put up for sale is only 2,5 million rubles, which is actually equal to the price of scrap metal.
        To turn the patrol ship Druzhny into a museum ship, considerable funds must be spent. Only state structures can afford it, since for private investors the object is not of great interest - you won’t earn much at the Museum of Marine Glory. None of the officials voiced any plans for the fate of the patrol ship Druzhny. Finding a warship near the mooring wall and maintaining it afloat annually requires certain costs, so sooner or later it may happen that in the near future Druzhny will be sent for autogen.
        The 1135 Druzhny patrol ship was laid on the slipway of the Baltic Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad on October 12 of 1973 of the year. It was launched on 22 of January 1975 of the year, and 4 of June 1973 of the year was included in the list of the Baltic Navy of the USSR. In 2003, the Druzhny patrol ship was expelled from the fleet, after which it was converted into a cultural and entertainment complex at the Yantar enterprise and transferred to Moscow.
        A great power is a homeless country
        We are not your relatives and we do not need you.
        I probably forgot my own children
        And our train rushes faster
        Five-year plan - "On the Shira-Abakan stretch" hi
  14. ddzhan
    ddzhan 28 September 2013 22: 29
    -4
    But isn’t it a minus that the main caliber guns are aft? And a blizzard is a rather controversial complex, compared to an astrok.
    What to fight, of course, they do not choose, but enthusiasm is useless.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 September 2013 22: 23
      +3
      Quote: dzhan
      But isn’t it a minus that the main caliber guns are aft? And a blizzard is a rather controversial complex, compared to an astrok.

      The ships of this project very often performed the tasks of the Naval Forces in the Sred Sea. Therefore, when 76 mm was replaced by 100mm AU, they became very dangerous for the ships (AVU), which were monitored. Well, Rastrub is much better than Asrok: it can be used in both nuclear and conventional equipment, it has a small-sized electric torpedo as a warhead (50 + 8 km). Asrok - ballistics at 9 km + mk 44 (46), this is also 9 km. Total 20 km at best.
      1. Civil
        Civil 30 September 2013 08: 54
        0
        Dear but sooo needed ship.
      2. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 26 November 2013 21: 46
        0
        We somehow thought where we would load the prisoners if they told AVM to fill up. smile
    2. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 September 2013 08: 51
      +1
      Private
      ddzhan RU September 28, 2013 22:29 PM
      But isn’t it a minus that the main caliber guns are aft? And a blizzard is a rather controversial complex, compared to an astrok.
      What to fight, of course, they do not choose, but enthusiasm is useless.

      Primitive reason like an accountant fellow . The main caliber’s guns in the stern turn into a plus when they fired a torpedo, you go home and shoot back :-)
      But this is not about that, not about weapons. We are talking about the design of the ship, its power plant, its speed, stability, unsinkability, seaworthiness. And these, with their similarity, are different characteristics. A successful project, that’s what we’re talking about. How to check? Even the same design ships on the chassis show different speeds. Somewhere the power plant does not give out full power, somewhere the body contours are not perfect, but there is a difference of 2-3 knots.
      For this reason, the enthusiasm is appropriate, especially since the finicky Indians bought six pieces 1135.6. What we want, then mount on them.
  15. sub307
    sub307 29 September 2013 16: 16
    0
    Certainly - one of the projects that once made up the "backbone" of our surface Navy.
  16. Avdy
    Avdy 29 September 2013 19: 28
    +1
    "Project 1135" is a handsome man, definitely!
    And there is no doubt that the new frigates are very necessary for the Russian Navy. I believe that both new projects (22350 and 11356Р / М, created on the basis of 1135) are relevant and will be a worthy replacement for 1135.
  17. clidon
    clidon 29 September 2013 21: 02
    -1
    Handsome, then he is handsome ... But the sailors responded to me about the first two projects (1135.1 and 1135.2) with great coolness, noting that the watchmen turned out to be "so-so". A weak (for the beginning of the 80s) anti-submarine acoustic system, near-zero capabilities of work along the coast (although 1135.2 received an artillery system enhancement) to enemy ships, small ammunition (4 missiles and everything) and a unique feature for an anti-submarine ship - the absence of its own helicopter and even a platform for him. Praised the presence of BIUS (at that time it was still a novelty), driving performance. We can say they kept silent about the air defense, however, it is clear that the range did not allow solving the tasks of the air defense of the formation.
    Actually, therefore, in the end, they were handed over to the border guards, and the rest tried to at least somehow modernize, which was prevented by perestroika.
    But after working out the "chassis" on the basis of 1135, very good frigates for the Indians and now the Russian fleet were built (although not without problems). Cheap and cheerful.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 September 2013 07: 56
      +2
      clidon RU Yesterday, 21:02 PM
      Handsome, then he is handsome ... But the sailors responded to me about the first two projects (1135.1 and 1135.2) with great coolness, noting that the watchmen turned out to be "so-so".

      Aleks, not every first pancake is not lumpy. The main thing is best-selling. The main thing is seafaring. :-)

      There is a bulba. fellow Successful design, time-tested. You can put any weapons: from a helicopter and artillery system, to mine launchers of a modular type.
      The main thing is speed, seaworthiness, survivability, stability. I'm not talking about the exterior, somewhere there was infa in the network - the opinion of the "sha-partners", a report from the sea that our ships just kind of pump a nervous tic. Like psychosis. Aggressive in appearance yes . Like it would be necessary for American shipbuilders to think ...
      For this, like this. It's like in aviation, only the density of water is 1000 times greater. If you make a mistake in the contours of the hull, then then it gets out in excessive fuel consumption and loss of speed. Here we - Russians, in design, have no equal on this "Globe". It is a fact.
      1. clidon
        clidon 1 October 2013 18: 02
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        The problem is that cruise ships are both navigable and seaworthy and simply beautiful. Here the warship, and alas, it took almost three decades of "training" to prepare for a "suitable" ship.
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 2 October 2013 03: 46
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          clidon RU Yesterday, 18:02 ↑
          The problem is that cruise ships are both navigable and seaworthy and simply beautiful. Here the warship, and alas, it took almost three decades of "training" to prepare for a "suitable" ship.

          I agree, we have a different approach. We love to rush.
  18. sop.ov
    sop.ov 30 September 2013 13: 13
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    Although he himself served on the destroyers of project 956 and I consider them the most beautiful, but the TFR of project 1135 has always liked its agility as a scooter - they were called "motor scooter". And his mooring and leaving was more like a parking lot
  19. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 1 October 2013 20: 42
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    In the north, these boats were the 2nd division of the OVR, and they had gas turbines.
  20. okroshka79
    okroshka79 1 October 2013 22: 20
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    The 2nd division of anti-submarine ships of the Northern Fleet (since 1982, the Kola Flotilla of the RS of the Northern Fleet) NEVER was a division of the ships of the OVR!
  21. sivuch
    sivuch 7 October 2013 13: 54
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    And they blundered, in general, in vain. Because these shortcomings took place. Say, the placement of guns above the shafting really worsened accuracy (as far as I know. If there is someone from 51 departments of the Special Design Bureau, let them answer more precisely), but they are linear -the elevated location, firstly, reduced survivability (one bomb / missile -and no artillery), and secondly, eliminated circular fire. And on 11352 with its huge box for BUGAS, one of the cannons could not shoot back, in principle. linkers were easier to live on and their displacement was saved.
    The real range of detection of submarines was somewhere up to 20 km. Therefore, the range of the Blizzard of 40 km could only be used with an external control center. The pipe is also an anti-ship missile in combination, so that made sense
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 26 November 2013 21: 53
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      Acoustics then we were not up to par.
  22. Gans1234
    Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 44
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    And why not to carry out a complete modernization of the remaining 1135 to the level of 11356P / M.
    Moreover, they were already promised a cap. repair and modernization.
    And the one that was standing near the coast in Moscow would like to make an experimental vessel