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NI: Russia made a bet on the Tu-160М2, and she is right

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Well-known and repeatedly criticized by Russian readers, The National Interest magazine columnist Dave Majumdar wrote an article in which he stated that Russia had chosen a reasonable and affordable way to develop a strategic aviation, betting on the modernization of the Tu-160M2 bomber


NI: Russia made a bet on the Tu-160М2, and she is right


Madjumdar writes that the new aircraft will be equipped with improved engines that will increase the maximum range by a thousand kilometers. In addition, he points to the fully updated on-board and electronic equipment of the Tu-160М2 and new long-range missiles.

This part of the strategic aviation upgrade program is particularly important, given that the White Swan is, first and foremost, the aircraft carrying cruise missiles.
- notes the author of the article.

Unlike the B-2 "Spirit" or B-21 "Rider" American bombers, Russian military aircraft are designed to hit a target inside the airspace of long-range missiles that are tightly closed by air defense weapons. Therefore, the Tu-160М2 and get a new generation of cruise missiles
- emphasizes the browser edition.

According to the expert, updating the Tu-160М2 is a more economical and technically feasible program than the development of supersonic bomber.

As a result, the author concludes, Russia will most likely make the PAK DA strategic bomber, however, the Tu-160М2 in the medium term should be enough for it.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 March 2018 14: 27
    +6
    And the next one is really possible to see only in 2027-2035.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 24 March 2018 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: Sith Lord
      And the next one is really possible to see only in 2027-2035

      You need to look very closely at the price-quantity ratio. If it is planned to build 50 units at a price of $ 500 million, will it bury other projects
      1. iouris
        iouris 24 March 2018 18: 39
        +2
        And what would Khoja Nasreddin say about this?
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 24 March 2018 18: 44
          0
          Quote: iouris
          And what would Khoja Nasreddin say about this?

          I do not answer meaningless comments, but here I was intrigued. Is this about donkey and padishah?
          1. iouris
            iouris 25 March 2018 01: 11
            0
            Quote: Chertt
            Is this about donkey and padishah?

            Exactly. The boom is hoping that with the padishah everything will be all right.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 25 March 2018 05: 31
              0
              True, some kind of nonsense wink
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 24 March 2018 15: 37
      +6
      And the next one is really possible to see only in 2027-2035.

      It seems to me that the next heavy missile carrier will be slightly different in terms of its goals and objectives. In recent years, the concept of UAVs has become more and more real, and the UAV concept is being developed and introduced in the so-called Flocks or Royas, when several hundred or maybe thousands of drones break through their defenses or strike. Moreover, several people manage this whole thing remotely using artificial intelligence. (By the way, our military and political leaders already speak about this in full voice). Moreover, the relay of signals is carried out through satellites. The question arises: How to deal with this? It will be necessary to shoot down the satellites of the enemy. Than? Rather, from which carrier will launch missiles? Yes, we have in development such missiles for the MIG-31 rocket 79M6 "Contact". But how much will such a rocket weigh? Facts vary depending on the range of about 5 tons. Does the Mig-31 take one such rocket on an external sling? Somehow not enough. This will inevitably raise the question of a heavy missile carrier that would take on board more missiles. And the same Tu-160 may be suitable if the missile is entered into the dimensions of its compartments. Or you have to build a new plane. So still all current plans can change five times.
      I think so.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 24 March 2018 16: 02
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        The question arises: How to deal with this?

        Read https://www.ridus.ru/news/263192
        It is an effective weapon against a swarm. If the data given in the article are correct, then a missile explosion inside the swarm will disable all its communication channels within a radius of 3,5 km.
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 24 March 2018 17: 08
          +4
          How much autonomy will this little drone have in 10 minutes?
          And with a strong crosswind how much?
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 24 March 2018 16: 45
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        In recent years, the UAV concept has become more and more real, and the UAV concept is being developed and introduced, moreover, in the so-called Flocks or Swarms, when several hundred and possibly thousands of drones break through their defenses or strike.

        To fly far, the device must be large, there will be no UAV swarms in this segment.
      3. lance
        lance 24 March 2018 16: 57
        0
        This program was also for tu160 but then frozen in the 90s. I could both bring Izz and shoot it down.
      4. okko077
        okko077 24 March 2018 17: 57
        +4
        We don’t have UAVs with the exchange of information (for identifying targets and issuing their coordinates) in real time beyond 100 km ... We don’t even have the concept of creating Combat Information Systems that provide real-time information ... You don’t think anything fantasize further ... This is the first ....
        There will be no 50 ... Nobody needs them and ... their combat effectiveness is low., The design is outdated, the operation is costly ... We simply have to reproduce production for two reasons:
        - it is necessary to ensure the combat readiness of existing boards;
        - you need to prepare for the production of PAK DA.
        Everything else is a fairy tale and fiction for the townsfolk, so that they do not get bored and live fun ...
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 24 March 2018 18: 31
          +5
          Nobody needs them and ... their combat effectiveness is low., Outdated design, costly operation ...
          Captain evidence, I shed a tear from your comment.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 24 March 2018 20: 48
          +5
          Okko077, Valera. In a war of superpowers, I’m afraid of no “Combat Information Systems”, communications (including space), satellites, etc. will not work properly.
          The idea of ​​the Tu-160 will lead to the creation of the aviation industry for the production of "large" aircraft (wide-body, for example). The revival of the entire technological chain for the production of such aircraft. No wonder the GDP spoke for a supersonic, civilian aircraft.
          The main feature of such aircraft as the Tu-160 (Tu-95) is the ability, without entering the enemy air defense zone, to use their weapons. With X-55 or X-101 missiles, he will not even meet with enemy fighters. And its speed allows you to quickly approach or move away from the rocket launch site. I believe that the Tu-160 is not only in demand, but also will pull the restoration of the aircraft industry.
          And what, apart from the stealth technology, which is especially not needed for such a strategist, can PAK DA differ from the Tu-160? They even wrote that PAK YES would have subsonic speed. Replace avionics with modern - that's all. The Tu-160 will be in service for a long time - that China so far cannot even dream of such a machine. hi
          1. okko077
            okko077 24 March 2018 21: 06
            0
            LSI related polemics to comment ...
            Powers from above will be fought indirectly, as in Syria ... Ahead of Libya, and others ... Here we need LSIs, but we don’t have them ... But the TU-160, I argue, but the construction will cost the old buildings and a couple of new , and the electronics will be replaced, obsolete engines will be corrected, but no more .. And in the global war they will be immediately destroyed, they won’t even have time to take off ... They have already been counted and controlled by an ordinary program ... maybe the sergeant on duty even sits .. ..
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 24 March 2018 22: 10
              +1
              That's exactly how in Syria:
              Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, teams. NATO forces in Europe: "Russian EW units have sky-high capabilities ..."
              Brigadier General Frank Gorenk, com. The U.S. Air Force in Europe said that Russian EW negate all the advantages of precision weapons.
              Head of EW service of the US Army Lori Bakkhut: ".... our main problem is that we did not fight in the conditions of suppression of communications ... there are no tactics and algorithms of action in such conditions ... we have good radio intelligence, but for breeding equipment out of order - we are here and up to a tenth of the capabilities of Russian electronic warfare systems do not reach ... ".
              They have probably already felt for themselves, once they say this. I am not saying that they (LSI, etc.) are not needed.
              If precautionary measures are introduced, as in the USSR, it would be unrealistic to destroy all strategists. How will NATO do this?
              Aircraft with missile launch. Even the focus will already be noticeable. Now in Europe, the United States has only 1-2 esc. F-15 in England. And the remaining F-16s will not launch such missiles. What to say about mass take-off?
              A strike from the ships of the Navy. Trump was already letting Axes down the Syrian airfield, and from relatively close range.
              Remains an ICBM strike. The flight time from the United States is about 30-40 minutes - planes on alert are in time to take off.
              Strike from the nuclear submarine ICBM. Surely all the submarines with the Tridents will leave their piers - this will be clearly visible from the satellites. And you can manage to disperse strategists across different airfields. And as was the case with the USSR, keep a certain amount in the air. hi
              1. okko077
                okko077 24 March 2018 22: 33
                0
                They don’t win with EW, they don’t give victory with EW! We have to win in Syria, but we can’t do this with REB ... But we can’t do anything against the partisans, and we can’t control the Turks either, because the blind and deaf can’t react to the change real-time situations ... Without LSI, they’re a complete ass, and they found best practices in this ass ... The operation in Syria from the point of view of modern military science does not stand up to criticism ... There is a result, but everything is done through the "ass ".... Again, the smart military will leave the army, as after 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 24 March 2018 23: 48
                  +2
                  So who is talking about this? EW complexes reduce the enemy’s capabilities, depriving them of communications, information, efficiency, etc.
                  It was about the Tu-160. About its combat effectiveness and necessity. This aircraft is designed in ordinary warfare for the first strike and strikes at a great distance. To headquarters, communication centers, air defense, electronic warfare systems, etc. .. And with a successful strike, no LSI will help anymore. Nearby you can only put Lancer.
                  If Russia’s combat effectiveness "does not stand up to criticism," then who does it have high then? The United States has 5 airbases there, but neither Assad could be stolen, nor Daesh could be restrained. Moreover, in Iraq, NATO is at home.
                  I think that only the experience that Russia is now receiving in Syria makes it clear what is needed and what is not. An LSI will be needed, which means that some design bureau will start to do this; if it’s no longer “mastir”. hi
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 25 March 2018 00: 18
                    0
                    In addition to speculation and your opinions, facts are needed ...
                    In our army, such systems have been developed since 2000 according to the presidential program. It was supposed to equip the army with systems with such information capabilities until 2020. This system is called the Sozvezdie-M ESU TK and it was put into service in 2013 and was produced until 2016, inclusive ... This program failed, the system is inoperative and conceptually flawed due to a reorientation to command and control ... How can troops be controlled without information about the enemy, and not just information, but real-time information ?! This system cannot manage the troops either ... It was adopted by the highest ranks, and they organized ostentatious stuffings about its alleged work ... Billions of rubles were thrown out, time wasted ... and the result was negative, ... the idle system garbage dump .... or rather, the system ... They have been fully prepared!
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 25 March 2018 00: 47
                      +1
                      Valery, do not you think that the Tu-160 and LSI are somewhat different things. This is how to say that the machine is out of date, but some ACS is needed for a cut.
                      In fact, I saw the use of Tu-160 in Syria. It was possible to use simpler aircraft or MLRS with artillery. But for some reason they used strategists. Hence my speculation. hi
        3. Lynx33
          Lynx33 26 March 2018 07: 27
          0
          Yah?! Well, you're a genius. Have you read the open data on the performance characteristics of the same eagle-10? And in the days of the USSR, cruise missiles flew in a swarm, exchanged information and redistributed targets. A bomber is needed only so as not to violate the contract with the United States. Considering how the range of cruise missiles is developing, soon they will no longer be needed and cruise missiles can be launched directly from land to intercontinental range.
  2. Don
    Don 24 March 2018 14: 28
    +3
    It is hard to argue with the statement that what is is good and what is not is bad winked
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 24 March 2018 16: 07
      +7
      While in the 2000's the TU-160 bombers were built from the groundwork. By the way, 16.03.2018 parapet over the entrance to the director's entrance KAPO them. Gorbunova hit Toyota Land Cruiser KAZ Director Nikolai Savitsky. There was nobody in the car at the time of the accident - the driver got out of the car literally 5 minutes before the collapse. Something tells me that if the plant’s money were not spent on jeeps, but on something else, then this would not have happened.
      1. passerby
        passerby 24 March 2018 17: 46
        0
        And what else can you offer an incentive for people to pursue a career? Humanity has not yet come up with a better incentive than money. Work better, take a higher position and earn more, that's all. Otherwise, why should the designer deprive himself of the ordinary human joys of life sitting at the computer day and night without days off and walk-throughs, trying to come up with something new?
        1. basmach
          basmach 24 March 2018 18: 55
          0
          But why the hell did he need money at all so that he would be buried beautifully? You would have thought before writing.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 March 2018 21: 49
            +5
            Quote: basmach
            ... why the hell then he generally needs money ...

            ... money is needed so as not to think about it (c) not me.
          2. passerby
            passerby 25 March 2018 05: 26
            0
            You have already written the answer below. Would you think before you write (c)
        2. d1975
          d1975 24 March 2018 21: 43
          +3
          Let me disagree with you. As is customary to say now - everything should be transparent. Remember how they get paid now. At best, a receipt. And it’s not at all what you write. Our tops far from the bottom came off request . What this leads us to know in Russia. The word collective is a thing of the past, and people look like hungry wolves at their cones. The bosses should get paid from a person of labor, and not from the ceilings. And state control is complete. Many liberties were given, but there was zero demand! And it’s better to work, these “designers” do not. They have one problem, how to properly reduce the debit to the crest, and the main thing is not to forget about yourself dearly. It’s necessary to break this fucking management. am I didn’t want to write, but where do these super designers come from? I know firsthand that I have considerable experience as a ped. Participated in the exam. Roses will not be born from ragweed!
          1. passerby
            passerby 25 March 2018 05: 45
            +1
            Perhaps you are right in some ways, but the problem is that people (I mean literate people, and not those who are eager to steal) themselves do not want to go to leadership positions. They cannot find the heads of departments for half a year, the position of deputy directors has been vacant for a year and a half. When these positions are offered to smart and competent people, they ask - Why do I need this? For what purpose should I live at work without seeing my family, not seeing how children grow, shoving my nerves every single day, undermining my health? Tomorrow the first persons will change or another reorganization will take place and I will be chased with a kick in the ass (as already happened). And a man will remain without health, without work, with children who have become on the wrong track while he has been missing for months at work. Why do people need all this? They are ready to go to work when they are given a clear task and are clearly and clearly prescribed in the contract, for three years you do this and get 30 million rubles. bonuses at the end and a salary for three years, 150-200 per month. In another way, agitate competent specialists who already receive at least 100 thousand rubles. per month, to become the leader of something, to be responsible for the crowd of boobies half of them are generally half-educated, who really can’t do anything and cannot be sitting with these boobies around the clock for 2-3 years. I’m not talking about the problems with financing the work, about the allies who don’t do what they should do, and much more. And you are talking about people who "look like hungry wolves." If these "hungry wolves" are so hungry, then let them go and design themselves and live for days at work.
            1. Pathos
              Pathos 25 March 2018 17: 10
              +3
              And you come to us in Donetsk and see how people live, in my city one project person dressed for the whole railroad and the engineer’s salary was 8000 thousand wooden, and the prices for food and clothes in Russia and even higher, and work in Donetsk there’s not a damn area. For that kind of money, I just come to work to check the box that I came, and when the customer comes to the project I send it to the 23rd letter of the alphabet. A street for 2500 revenge, please, a hard worker gets 6000, a miner in a mine gets 10000 thousand, and nobody fucks us in Russia, you run with your Minsk like FOORWORKS WRITTEN and it’s no use, Popcorn is already over, and the show is going on 4th YEAR 4th and there is no end and end to this. Russia is just like BABA today kissel drinks tomorrow on the transistor plays or recognize the republic or let break banderlog. And then the people grabbed the guns and stands with them on the front end like fools with a stupa, suitcases fly to us, but neither in response.
              Damn pent.

              Py. SUS. A plane is handsome good . A beautiful plane should fly well, but these are not my words wink
              1. passerby
                passerby 26 March 2018 19: 07
                0
                And what does Donetsk have to do with it?
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        1. Pathos
          Pathos 25 March 2018 17: 27
          +2
          The foreman comes to the car dealership:
          - Do you have a Lexus on credit?
          - Yes, there are 10 years
          - And you can’t afford a loan of 20 years?
          “Maybe you should take something cheaper?”
          - Yes, I myself would be glad cheaper. BUT THE PLATE DROPPED laughing
  3. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 24 March 2018 14: 28
    +2
    When you are surrounded by "partners" there are not many good strategic bombers.
  4. Fedorov
    Fedorov 24 March 2018 14: 29
    +2
    columnist for The National Interest magazine Dave Majumdar

    Well damn straight sight. Sometimes he writes such nonsense, and this is called a "respected" magazine. Yes, a cadet-graduate of a military school in Russia would have expressed a smarter idea. They even know how to drive, pilot, and did not shoot on the Internet. The US nation is definitely degrading.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 24 March 2018 15: 34
      +3
      Well, he writes because for internal use. I didn’t know the poor fellow that he would get into VO laughing .
      I don’t know what kind of magazine NI is, what is its common theme. And then we have for example the glossy magazine MAXIM, there is a military division. They write quite superficially. But is there a great demand from this type of magazine?
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 March 2018 14: 29
    +9
    Having such a magnificent glider, well, it’s a sin not to use it. New engines, avionics, electronic warfare, self-defense systems ... Well, just a beautiful airplane ...
    1. GAF
      GAF 24 March 2018 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Having such a magnificent glider, well, it’s a sin not to use it. New engines, avionics, electronic warfare, self-defense systems ... Well, just a beautiful plane ..

      You're right. There is some mystical connection: what is beautiful is usually functional.
  6. apro
    apro 24 March 2018 14: 30
    +2
    The question is: shove billions if MBR is cheaper and more efficient.
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 24 March 2018 15: 02
      +3
      Is this your way? Launch ICBMs into orbit regularly, and then self-destruct, drown warheads in an hour, if not useful. ? cheaper request We are talking about combat duty, not retaliation weapons.
      1. apro
        apro 24 March 2018 17: 28
        0
        Question: how many carcasses will take off after confirming the beginning? And what damage can they inflict on the enemy?
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 March 2018 18: 40
        +2
        Quote: Fedorov
        We are talking about combat duty, not retaliation weapons.

        Valera, is it nothing that the weapon of retaliation is on our combat duty !? yes
    2. Antidote
      Antidote 24 March 2018 15: 04
      +4
      Is ICBM cheaper - an unanswered question, since no one will say how much it costs, even if there is no exact answer how much it costs 1 kWh from a nuclear power plant.
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 24 March 2018 15: 08
      +2
      Quote: apro
      cram billions if mbr and cheaper and more efficient.

      “But Betty, it’s so simple ...” (c) Did you not hear the agreements limiting the number of the same ICBMs? And the concept of "nuclear triad" as it alludes to the presence of ALL of its components at the same time.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 25 March 2018 09: 05
        +1
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Treaties restricting the same ICBMs

        Not only ICBMs and SLBMs are considered. Actually treaties limit the number of warheads and their carriers. Warheads - it’s clear with them, at least put them in the Kyrgyz Republic, at least in the ICBMs. If only for the total number did not get out. With carriers, exactly the same. It does not matter, the submarine, mine, PGRK or carrier aircraft.
        Quote: Paranoid50
        the "nuclear triad" as it hints at the presence of ALL of its components at the same time

        and here you can explain the need normally, clearly and intelligibly nuclear weapon bomber? Like it or not, the ICBM will fly faster (40 minutes instead of 3 hours), has a really unlimited range (you do not need to drag the mine like a bomber to the launch line - it is already at the turn), and, all other things being equal, it is cheaper .
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 March 2018 15: 11
      +8
      Quote: apro
      cram billions if mbr and cheaper and more efficient.

      Do you think the development of a new ICBM is cheaper? Moreover, taking into account the arsenal, Lebed should not even enter the enemy’s air defense zone, I will say more, in some cases, he doesn’t even need to cross the border of the Russian Federation. Now think about the number of ICBMs, but there are no such restrictions on the CD. And the same X-102 can be crammed into Cygnus 12 pieces, and their range is almost intercontinental ... and when you consider that the KR Petrel has appeared, then in general there is an oil painting.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 March 2018 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        and when you consider that KR Petrel has appeared, then in general there is an oil painting.

        Andrey, it’s good if the radiation background of the product appears after the poison reaches its nominal value. And if he "fonit" will be starting from the factory? Then what, do you order the operators in lead underpants to go?
        Therefore, let's not speculate on the combat use of products with the sign "radiation hazard" ... Yeah?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 March 2018 18: 57
          +6
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          And if he "fonit" will be starting from the factory?

          Sasha, if the product was fonil, it would not have stupidly passed the state test, maybe, forgive me, what media should it be for? At the same time, with the same success, I can ask you a question: A X-102 phonite? Or garnet phonite? You can argue that supposedly warheads and SUs are different haircuts, but ... answer me the question, what should be the medium for the Petrel, if it is phonetically so that, excuse me, should I wear lead underpants?
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 24 March 2018 19: 28
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            I can ask you a question-A X-102 phonite? Or pomegranate phonite? You can argue that supposedly warheads and SUs are different haircuts,

            I can say it even easier; the reactor with the grate lowered and raised (absorber rods) - two different things from the radiation picture ... We won’t talk about heads: the wrong place ... But the poison that has reached its nominal value and is sleeping - seems to me - two different pictures! Don't you find? wink
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 24 March 2018 19: 36
              +6
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              But the poison, which has reached its face value and is sleeping, seems to me - two different pictures! Don't you find?

              Undoubtedly. But come on, how much power can a nuclear dvigun have at a Petrel? I am sure that it’s not like the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. I can assume that there is a background ... but as an option, you can consider a separate "case" for each CR, which will be the very screen that protects the crew from radiation. So for now, bring back the lead pants ... I'm sure they don’t come in handy. wink
    5. KCA
      KCA 24 March 2018 15: 18
      +4
      ICBMs are cheaper than the X-55 or X-102? I really, really doubt it, if you are talking about the TU-160M2 carrier, then how much more expensive is it than containing silos or PGRK? Mobile "Topol-M" or "Yars" is not a big machine with a pipe, it is a launcher, a combat control machine, an engineering machine, a support vehicle, a communication machine and of course an anti-sabotage group with its own equipment, this whole caravan goes on combat duty, comparable to one TU-160 with the 12th KR? Well, upon returning from the database, the regulation of all equipment and the maintenance of combat readiness until the next database or training
      1. sabotage
        sabotage 24 March 2018 22: 14
        0
        Quote: KCA
        comparable to one TU-160 with the 12th KR?

        But the TU-160 is not necessary to maintain, the airfield is not necessary, the defense of the airfield is not necessary, missiles are not to be serviced ...
    6. zivXP
      zivXP 24 March 2018 15: 38
      +1
      Other areas need to be developed.
    7. Old military officer
      Old military officer 24 March 2018 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: apro
      The question is: shove billions if MBR is cheaper and more efficient.

      Behind a tree, possibly an oak. At what school did you study Russian, a young man who bears Fursenkovism?
  7. rruvim
    rruvim 24 March 2018 14: 31
    0
    Very successful bomber! It is a pity that by 2030 the park will be modernized, and not the release of new ones.
    1. askort154
      askort154 24 March 2018 14: 58
      +2
      rruvim ....Very successful bomber! It is a pity that by 2030 the park will be modernized, and not the release of new ones.

      In 2021 They plan to start production of the Tu-160 M2. (From 2023 they moved to 2021). MO need - 50 pcs. The Kazan plant is already preparing production equipment.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 24 March 2018 21: 30
        0
        Then - great! Very nice plane. 50 sides will be enough.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 24 March 2018 15: 08
      +3
      Lane! And in Kazan, are we blowing pears around?
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 24 March 2018 14: 32
    +1
    Most likely, the TU-160 is considered as a carrier of hypersonic missiles. On the video, Mig-31 launched it, but rather, the carrier is a carcass
    1. NN52
      NN52 24 March 2018 14: 50
      +1
      dr.star75

      I also tend to this, that the Tu 160 will be the carrier .. and maybe 22 ...
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 24 March 2018 15: 00
        +3
        Maybe 22, we have a lot of them, and modernization will extend their lifespan. They will cover "close" partners, and 160 - "favorite"
      2. Antidote
        Antidote 24 March 2018 15: 05
        +2
        It cannot, because speed does not reach 31.
        1. NN52
          NN52 24 March 2018 15: 09
          0
          The argument started again ...
          Check again all the topics here on VO ...
          Nobody came to a consensus ...
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 24 March 2018 16: 06
          +1
          It is possible that at stage 1, to start the HRM, a medium of type 31 is needed, but the main one is t160
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 24 March 2018 19: 04
          +3
          Quote: Antidote
          It cannot, because speed does not reach 31.

          Why? Don't 160 and 22 go to supersonic? Unless the catapult (dropping device) has been finalized or does it come out with supersonic sound on such an external suspension?
          What does supersonic have to do with it? Yes, despite the fact that ramjet starts to work only at supersonic speeds, accelerating the product to hypersonic speeds. By the way, 31 th, Vanguard unfastens, which then drives the powder accelerator to 5M ... So, perhaps, here, after completion, there will be a similar start ...
          IMHO.
  9. ltc35
    ltc35 24 March 2018 14: 32
    +2
    Not so dense this Dave Majumdar, as is customary to think about him, once he understands that it is more reasonable to modernize a good car than to create from scratch.
  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 24 March 2018 14: 40
    +8
    The white swan is handsome! It is a pity that the Ukrainian ghouls cut them into metal in Priluki with the filing of the Americans. Natural barbarism, from the sight of which a normal officer is sick.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 24 March 2018 15: 12
      +5
      Quote: Sands Career General
      The white swan is handsome! .

      It is what it is.
  11. Falcond
    Falcond 24 March 2018 14: 43
    0
    PACK YES we wait before the next election)
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 24 March 2018 15: 08
      +3
      Before the 6th term, Putin should not wait in the metal, at best by the 7th.
  12. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 March 2018 14: 56
    +5
    Majumdar writes that the new aircraft will be equipped with improved engines, which will increase the maximum flight range by a thousand kilometers

    Apparently, all the same, the new engine for the TU-160M2 is an engine developed by the USSR NK-74 (possibly modified taking into account modern technologies).
    I am puzzled by the question - why didn’t we consider the question on the TU-161 project with a hydrogen engine? Perhaps it would be even more economical.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 March 2018 19: 15
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      why didn’t they consider the issue of the TU-161 project with a hydrogen engine?

      The boiling point of liquid hydrogen = "- 253 * C" ... And you need a bunch of thuja ... "Thermoses" are really very big! laughing
      Now our Kulibins with Cherepanov engines are pulsing-explosive. The OBS reports that the posters are already coming ... So, soon the IA will get this wunderwaffle, well, and then that thread is heavier. Yeah.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 March 2018 19: 22
        +4
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        The boiling point of liquid hydrogen = "- 253 * C" ... And you need a bunch of thuja ... "Thermoses" are really very big!

        The 161 fuselage is really larger than the base TU-160 ... but it was such a project TU-160V ...
        As for the dvigun for the TU-160M2, it is almost certain that this engine is an updated version of the NK-74.
  13. Vard
    Vard 24 March 2018 15: 57
    0
    The best enemy of the good ... TU 160 is a very good plane ... Flies ... And if there are 50 of them ... That will be very good ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 March 2018 16: 01
      +6
      Quote: Vard
      And if there are 50 of them ...

      Will not be. Tear ourselves up. Well, if there are 30 pieces, then it is doubtful. He is expensive, and that is why they are working on the creation of PAK DA, which will be cheaper and easier to manufacture.
      1. san4es
        san4es 24 March 2018 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        ... He is dear, and that is why they are working on the creation of PAK YES.

        hi Cinema for the evening soldier
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War 24 March 2018 20: 21
          +2
          Interestingly, on the basis of the Tu-160 M2 will be the Tu-160P-M2 and Tu -160 PP-M2?
          1. san4es
            san4es 24 March 2018 20: 34
            +2
            hiGood San.
            Quote: Alexander War
            ... will be Tu-160P-M2 and Tu -160 PP-M2?
            .request this is to a colleague NEXUS what
            1. Alexander War
              Alexander War 24 March 2018 20: 53
              +1
              Healthy namesake hi
      2. NKT
        NKT 24 March 2018 22: 35
        0
        Nexus, do we really need it, and even at a price of $ 500 million apiece? It turns out like Ash. Maybe it’s better to build them?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 March 2018 22: 42
          +5
          Quote: NKT
          Nexus, do we really need it, and even at a price of $ 500 million apiece?

          Where did the figure of 500 citrus come from? Under the alliance, the price of Swan was about 200-250 Soviet citruses. Now, the price is about the same, only in American candy wrappers.
          Now, on the question ... there is a nuclear triad that guarantees an answer on our part. And this is a priority. As for the Ashes ... the Ashes series will not be increased and there is nothing, since it’s expensive and long. Therefore, we started talking about the Husky project, which would seem to be cheaper and put into operation faster.
          Quote: Alexander War
          Interestingly, on the basis of the Tu-160 M2 will be the Tu-160P-M2 and Tu -160 PP-M2?

          We would first need to build the first TU-160M2 from scratch ... and there is no question of an electronic warfare aircraft or, especially, a heavy fighter. hi
  14. Simon
    Simon 24 March 2018 15: 59
    +5
    Thanks to the Union for creating such a beautiful aircraft as the TU-160, which was ahead of its time after modernization - it has no equal so far! wink tongue good
  15. konstantin68
    konstantin68 24 March 2018 16: 27
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    Moreover, taking into account the arsenal, Lebed should not even enter the enemy’s air defense zone, I will say more, in some cases, he doesn’t even need to cross the border of the Russian Federation.

    Absolutely right. So they are going to use them as a platform for new weapons, which our president recently presented.
  16. konstantin68
    konstantin68 24 March 2018 16: 29
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    And if there are 50 of them ...

    It seems that at the beginning they want to build 10 of them. During this time, probably PAK DA will arrive in time.
    1. lance
      lance 24 March 2018 17: 10
      +1
      they will be built exactly as long as the pack does not ripen.
  17. Prutkov
    Prutkov 24 March 2018 17: 18
    0
    Quote: apro
    The question is: shove billions if MBR is cheaper and more efficient.

    TU-160 - in the near future will be the "long arm" of Russia. Where the US is chasing its carrier groups, Russia will use the TU-160. There will be no aircraft carriers for a long time. And so, it is entirely possible to launch a pair of cruise missiles from international airspace on individual Barmalean targets. The result will be no worse than the use of aircraft from an aircraft carrier. And cheaper than driving an AUG. The launch of an ICBM, even with a conventional, non-nuclear warhead, could lead to a nuclear conflict. What will be the next generation of bombers? Most likely - this will be the carrier of a swarm of drones, on which there will be a control center for these drones. The use of drones as Americans use is not very effective. Communication channels via satellites can be suppressed. The situational awareness of the drone operator is very low, a large delay in the reaction to changes in the operational situation leads to the fact that attacks from drones often hit the wrong targets.
  18. afrikanez
    afrikanez 24 March 2018 17: 55
    0
    It’s not hard to guess what this article is about. Let the Russians modernize the old, but just do not produce new and for "them" completely incomprehensible!
  19. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 24 March 2018 19: 01
    0
    I have a suspicion that in the transfer to Soviet rubles to produce such a machine in our century is somewhat cheaper than before. Over the years, all sorts of buns have appeared greatly helping in production and materials are less expensive. In the base model, the glider itself is expensive. He's almost solid
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 March 2018 08: 53
      0
      Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
      I have a suspicion that in the transfer to Soviet rubles to produce such a machine in our century is somewhat cheaper than before. Over the years, all sorts of buns have appeared greatly helping in production and materials are less expensive. In the base model, the glider itself is expensive. He's almost solid

      Do you think it’s so easy to replace titanium with carbon fiber or aluminum? It’s just stupid - there was a beam of titanium - bang, and we’ll do exactly the same from carbon fiber? Of course not. this is an alteration of the design of the entire airframe, R&D, and then also tests. No matter how you twist, and this is more expensive than continuing to rivet the already created structure. The series is too small to make dances with tambourines
  20. assa67
    assa67 24 March 2018 22: 08
    +2
    "Swan" is certainly a beauty ... with the prospect of modernization, but this very modernization is not unlimited ... avionics, ergonomics, other parameters ....
    Quote: Chertt
    You need to look very closely at the price-quantity ratio.

    to upgrade 100 work items, or create one that can replace all of them ... a question for controversy)))
  21. Whowhy
    Whowhy 24 March 2018 22: 13
    +1
    If our enemies praise something, then is it not time to think, - but are we going there ....
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 25 March 2018 09: 01
      +1
      Oh, sure you noticed! On the one hand .... the military may be "nice" .... on the other hand ....: "Fear Danians bringing gifts ... do not believe the enemy who praises your weapons!"
  22. Xaron-a
    Xaron-a 25 March 2018 09: 26
    0
    Quote: passerby
    Perhaps you are right in some ways, but the problem is that people (I mean literate people, and not those who are eager to steal) themselves do not want to go to leadership positions. They cannot find the heads of departments for half a year, the position of deputy directors has been vacant for a year and a half. When these positions are offered to smart and competent people, they ask - Why do I need this? For what purpose should I live at work without seeing my family, not seeing how children grow, shoving my nerves every single day, undermining my health? Tomorrow the first persons will change or another reorganization will take place and I will be chased with a kick in the ass (as already happened). And a man will remain without health, without work, with children who have become on the wrong track while he has been missing for months at work. Why do people need all this? They are ready to go to work when they are given a clear task and are clearly and clearly prescribed in the contract, for three years you do this and get 30 million rubles. bonuses at the end and a salary for three years, 150-200 per month. In another way, agitate competent specialists who already receive at least 100 thousand rubles. per month, to become the leader of something, to be responsible for the crowd of boobies half of them are generally half-educated, who really can’t do anything and cannot be sitting with these boobies around the clock for 2-3 years. I’m not talking about the problems with financing the work, about the allies who don’t do what they should do, and much more. And you are talking about people who "look like hungry wolves." If these "hungry wolves" are so hungry, then let them go and design themselves and live for days at work.

    It's amazing that there are still people who understand this! It is for these reasons that I abandoned the position of beg. Design Bureau on Aviastar. In the operational documentation department ... And there were some women aged ... And the time was 96 or 97 years old ... And now I see that I did the right thing and left the factory. Aviation was not needed then.
  23. moreanda
    moreanda 25 March 2018 09: 30
    0
    YOU ARE STEADED BY YOUR STEELS! ... In the METER (!!) band there is no "stealth". One such "stealth" has already FLAGED to YUGOSLAVIA! Accuracy of determination of MALA? And the dimensions of the escort OBJECT what? The SB should not enter the air defense zone! QUICKLY deliver at a GREAT HEIGHT exactly (!) To the START place - and back for the next "hotel" for "friends from the West" (or from the East)!


    A. Morev
  24. oleg pronin
    oleg pronin 25 March 2018 21: 26
    0
    Today, they often whine in comments that there is no type of money, sanctions, the poor, they pay little, there is no work. You can easily kill a Z-3 thousand a day, accomplished without any experience, you just need to know a place.
  25. gukoyan
    gukoyan 26 March 2018 15: 13
    0
    This is all clear ... In fact, in addition to the TU-160, we don’t have a decent rocket carrier, so we are betting on it)