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A contract with India for the supply of C-400 will be signed soon

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Edition Economic Times (India) writes about the progress between Russia and India on the conclusion of a contract for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems C-400. The publication, citing an unnamed source, argues that negotiations between Moscow and New Delhi on the conclusion of contracts are in the "final stage."


It is reported that the contract may be signed in the near future. In particular, the talk is about the likely signing of a document during the visit of the Minister of Defense of India Nirmala Sitraman to the Russian capital (the first woman as Minister of Defense of India in stories country).

A contract with India for the supply of C-400 will be signed soon


Ms. Sitharaman’s visit is scheduled for April. This will be her first visit to the Russian capital since her appointment as head of the military department.

It is also reported that the issue of the joint development of a fifth-generation FGFA fighter can finally move from a dead end.

Recall that in India recently there has been a dispute between supporters of cooperation with Russia to create the newest military aircraft and opponents. Opponents argue that India’s 4 investments in billions of dollars in the FGFA project are too “big”, and that one could consider buying airplanes, for example, from the USA (F-35). Opponents of this theory remind that the United States will never transfer production technology to India - firstly, and secondly, India, for obvious reasons, has neither ammunition nor an F-35 service system, including tankers.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 24 March 2018 12: 21
    +5
    that India’s $ 4 billion investment in the FGFA project is too big,
    Of course, a big investment. You can already buy two dozen F-35 "empty" ones. And admire them later. Well, or drag them around in flower parades.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 24 March 2018 12: 29
      +16
      As I predicted, there is an exciting series of articles about a contract with India! I suggest the name for the following: The contract with India will be signed in the very near future, further: The contract with India will be signed very soon, the following: Already almost signed, the Contract with India ...... etc laughing
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 24 March 2018 12: 33
        +1
        I will add: India requires blueprints, otherwise it will buy American Patriots, Russia agreed to make a discount on the S-400 sold for India.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 24 March 2018 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          Russia agreed to make a skid on the S-400 sold for India.

          Why not give a little discount. After all, the initial price is over lard per division
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 24 March 2018 13: 45
          +1
          Quote: Sith Lord
          India requires blueprints, otherwise it will buy American Patriots, Russia agreed to make a skid on the S-400 sold for India.

          The Turks, unlike the Indians, decided not to bathe - "wrap it all up!" laughing
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 24 March 2018 21: 03
            +2
            Yesterday they wrote that the Turks are ready to sign the Patriots.
            Hindus shake, as always bargain, but buy. For an old friendship, Moscow will partially transfer some technology.
            On the F-35 USA and Co. have already spent over 400 billion, and they are offered for 4 billion. They will answer yes and subscribe. As far as I understand they are not satisfied with the "old" AL-41 engines, give them a novice. hi
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 24 March 2018 22: 01
              +2
              Quote: Kasym
              Yesterday they wrote that the Turks are ready to sign the Patriots.

              So, I about it. yes Turks will also buy from mattresses, while not abandoning the S-400. And the Indians ... Bollywood will begin now. laughing
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 24 March 2018 12: 48
        +8
        Quote: Hunter 2
        ... I suggest the name for the following: The contract with India will be signed in the very near future, further: The contract with India will be signed very soon, the following: Already almost signed, the Contract with India ...... etc laughing...

        Aleksey Aleksandrovich hi
        I suggest not bothering with a lot of letters in the name of the alleged contracts with the Indians repeat
        You can limit yourself to one Russian word - whistle wassat
        For food lovers verbiage, you can offer a name - Indian foreplay, dancing with a tambourine lol
        PS Dancer Nirmala Sitharaman arrives in April laughing
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 24 March 2018 19: 03
          +1
          Quote: Andrey K
          You can limit yourself to one Russian word - whistle

          There is such an eastern word "HALVA", it’s not a dance with tambourines, it’s sweet.
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 24 March 2018 13: 04
        +4
        Quote: Hunter 2
        I suggest the name for the following: The contract with India will be signed in the very near future, further: The contract with India will be signed very soon, the following: Already almost signed, the Contract with India ...... etc laughing

        It was the seventh year of signing the contract laughing By the way, this is not a joke, but a harsh truth. There are already strings
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 24 March 2018 12: 37
      +2
      India, of course, is a good partner, but you don’t need to hobble and get into the bottle, don’t like to buy from Americans.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 24 March 2018 12: 45
        +6
        If our S-400 is decorated with bright colors and colors and documentation in the form of comics ... I think the Indians will immediately buy .. heh heh laughing
    3. Don
      Don 24 March 2018 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Of course, a big investment. You can already buy two dozen F-35 "empty" ones. And admire them later. Well, or drag them around in flower parades.

      Underestimating the enemy is a direct path to defeat. If this plane were so bad, half the countries of the world would not line up behind it, except for banana countries. And the Hindus will take the Su-57 in a slightly modified form, they will not go anywhere. Even if they don’t take it, it’s no longer critically important for the project, because in any case, after five years it will be brought to mind, and the troops will go even earlier.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 24 March 2018 13: 41
        0
        Quote: Donskoy
        If this plane were so bad, half the countries of the world would not line up behind it, except for banana countries.

        You can put another question. If Ф-35 is so good, then why is the line-up on С-400 so small?
        Turkey does not count. They really have no air defense, but Jewish is near
        1. Don
          Don 24 March 2018 14: 23
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          You can put another question. If Ф-35 is so good, then why is the line-up on С-400 so small?

          An interesting statement of the question winked And where did C-400 manage to prove its effectiveness against F-35? When he proves, then there will be a line for such complexes. But here the question also rests on the cost of C-400. One division costs half a lard of Baku rubles, taking into account staff training. It is expensive even for non-poor countries. So they have to choose between the Air Force and Air Defense. It is logical that they will buy airplanes when there is not enough money for both this and that.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 24 March 2018 14: 50
            +2
            Quote: Donskoy
            And where did the S-400 manage to prove its effectiveness against the F-35?

            Uh brother. S-300 35 years in service. Still not proven to be effective in battle. Mae Bi Grumble is not effective; Mae Bi Kamikaze is not in NATO hi I do not know. Can toss a coin wassat
            One division costs half a lard of Baku rubles, taking into account staff training. It is expensive even for non-poor countries.

            Air defense is expensive. If you sell our division that costs in Hmeynim, then no less than 2,5 gigabaksov will cost. Pollyda cost basic version. Without EW, with one sight radar, without PVN and without armor hi
            1. figter
              figter 24 March 2018 23: 19
              0
              Tusv (Vladimir)
              Air defense is expensive. If you sell our division that costs in Hmeynim, then no less than 2,5 gigabaksov will cost. Pollyda cost basic version. Without EW, with one sight radar, without PVN and without armor

              Not only expensive, but completely ineffective. In PVOshnikov, one plus is relative to aviation - they are closer to the ground. Less time to fall. Taking into account the dead zones, interference, active counteraction of the army and tactical aviation, the air defense system will not last long. C-400 is more on duty complex than combat. For the first opening and reflection of the raid.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 25 March 2018 07: 04
                +1
                Quote: figter
                Not only expensive, but completely ineffective. Air defense specialists have one plus with respect to aviation - they are closer to the ground.

                The truth is yours. We are earthworms. And the effectiveness of air defense is evaluated in terms of democracy. We have the tyranny of Putin, therefore, air defense is effective, where it is not effective, then there is democracy hi
          2. faiver
            faiver 24 March 2018 18: 13
            +2
            but tell me where f-35 managed to prove its effectiveness?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 24 March 2018 23: 25
              0
              In Syria, they have already worked.
    4. Hanokem
      Hanokem 24 March 2018 13: 38
      +2
      Very good news about the purchase of the S-400 Indians. Then our specialists will undoubtedly dig into it and find weaknesses
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 March 2018 13: 45
        +8
        Quote: Hanokem
        Then our specialists will undoubtedly dig into it and find weaknesses

        While your specialists will be picking it, Triumph will be upgraded and your picking will be up to the bulb. And the second, the S-400 was adopted in 2007, that is, 11 years ago. And I have a reasonable question: is it time to release something more modern, say under the name S-450? As for the S-500, this is still a different echelon of defense than the S-400.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 24 March 2018 14: 01
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          And the second, the S-400 was adopted in 2007, that is, 11 years ago. And I have a reasonable question: is it time to release something more modern, say under the name S-450? As for the S-500, this is still a different echelon of defense than the S-400.

          Greetings. Is the first digit so important? Perhaps more importantly, what’s going on after her. After all, the S300PM3 is the S-400. Again 11 years have passed. Three new missiles were adopted. For any BIOS, it’s completely different hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 March 2018 14: 07
            +5
            Quote: Tusv
            Welcome

            Welcome. hi
            Quote: Tusv
            For any BIOS, it’s completely different

            I mean this ... the S-350 is being completed, which is several times more effective than the S-300PS and Buk-M1-2, which Vityaz should replace. By analogy with the S-350, it is time to create a S-450, which will begin to replace the S-400 slowly.
            It is clear that in many respects the S-400 of the 2007 model is significantly different from the Triumph of the 2017 release, but this is still modernization, and not the creation of a fundamentally new one. I’m not saying that the S-400 is out of date, I’m saying that a qualitative step forward is needed in order to break away from competitors in this matter.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 24 March 2018 14: 28
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              I mean this ... the S-350 is being completed, which is several times more effective than the S-300PS and Buk-M1-2, which Vityaz should replace.

              Andrew. Knight Buk-M1-2 will not be able to replace. Knight VKS ny, Military beech
              I’m not saying that the S-400 is out of date, I’m saying that a qualitative step forward is needed in order to break away from competitors in this matter.

              That's why the United States, so that our air defense develop faster than competitors. So far, only the Carapace can hit targets in automatic mode. And now this is a trend
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 24 March 2018 14: 52
                +5
                Quote: Tusv

                Andrew. Knight Buk-M1-2 will not be able to replace. Knight VKS ny, Military beech

                But however, Vityaz was just conceived as a replacement for BUKu-M1-2 ... at the same time, I am not saying that the same BUK will be immediately removed from service. BUKs are also being modernized and very successfully, but the complex itself was created even during the USSR and it would be time to replace it, to create something else.
                At the same time, you forget about Vityaz’s arsenal and given this, your statement that Vityaz will not be able to replace BUK is debatable.
                Quote: Tusv
                So far, only the Carapace can hit targets in automatic mode.

                Automation is a good thing ... I don’t think that a BUK needs this, given that the Shell is a short-range air defense system, which means that the reaction to interception should be faster than that of a BUK, which is a medium-range train. Apparently therefore, on the Shell is this function. hi
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 24 March 2018 15: 13
                  +1
                  At the same time, you forget about Vityaz’s arsenal and given this, your statement that Vityaz will not be able to replace the beech is debatable.

                  Andrew. We have three aspects of air defense. Separate as a type of troops and as part of the Navy and Ground. Beeches replaced in military air defense Knights? It is possible, but later. Now the Poliment-Redoubts fleet is more important hi
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 24 March 2018 15: 16
                    +5
                    Quote: Tusv
                    Now the Poliment-Redoubts fleet is more important

                    Vladimir, of course it is necessary ... but only this story with Polement is already very fed up ... at the same time, it’s already time to think intensely about the numb version of the S-500 ... otherwise we’ll see Nakhimov 20 years later in the Navy.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 24 March 2018 15: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Vladimir, of course it is necessary ... but only this story with Polement is already very fed up ... at the same time, it’s already time to think intensely about the numb version of the S-500 ... otherwise we’ll see Nakhimov 20 years later in the Navy.

                      So to fasten s-500 it is possible only on Orlan. A polymer-Redoubt needed yesterday. Mother does not save on air defense in Russia. In any guises
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 24 March 2018 15: 33
                        +5
                        Quote: Tusv
                        So to fasten s-500 it is possible only on Orlan.

                        And in the future on the Leaders. In addition, there are also dual-purpose icebreakers.
                        Prometheus is already control of near space, which is now very important.
                        As for...
                        Quote: Tusv
                        A polymer-Redoubt needed yesterday.

                        We need some poliment, but the developers don’t mix it up, even though they sand it up, they work it with a file, they cut it with chisels ... and our new ships don’t just need it ... without it, our drums are empty in essence.
                    2. Tusv
                      Tusv 24 March 2018 16: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      We need some poliment, but the developers don’t mix it up, even though they sand it up, they work it with a file, they cut it with chisels ... and our new ships don’t just need it ... without it, our drums are empty in essence.

                      Without a file in any area, and even a rag with paste goya must be polished.
                      But now is not about that. On the one hand, Knights and Polements have long been ready. But!
                      1. Air defense really collided with the "invisible"
                      2. New missiles from 200 onwards
                      3. The American Doctrine of Global Impact.
                      BIUS need to be finished and the auto start to be straightened with a sherbel. Otherwise, put new ships back to the dock and replace them with new ones. Netuti we have such money. Did Lavrov say that We will not attack, but for this you have to pay for the roof
        2. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 24 March 2018 16: 46
          +1
          S-400 was adopted in 2007, that is, 11 years as already

          Good afternoon!!! NATO aggression in Serbia, the year 1999 ... Lukashenka’s words about helping the Serbs "and the S-300 will receive the S-400 as well ... unfortunately I can’t find the video ... so this unit (S-400) a much older story ...
        3. SETTGF
          SETTGF 25 March 2018 00: 25
          0
          Nexus! The long-range missile of the S-400 complex shoots down satellites at an altitude of 185 km above the ground according to the statement of the US generals in the US Congress ... And the S-500 complex should have occupied this niche ... therefore the S-400 is not outdated yet, and the S-500 will have even more great features!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 March 2018 00: 37
            +4
            Quote: SETTGF
            A long-range missile of the S-400 complex brings down satellites at an altitude of 185 km above the ground according to the statement of the US generals in the US Congress ..

            Are you about 40H6E? According to the statements of the mattress generals, aliens share technologies with us ... as for the rocket, then the maximum height of the defeat is up to 30 km.
            Quote: SETTGF
            And this niche was to occupy the S-500 complex ..

            Triumph does not cover this niche ...
            Quote: SETTGF
            therefore, the S-400 is not yet out of date

            I did not say that it is out of date ... carefully read my post.
            Quote: SETTGF
            The S-500 will have even greater capabilities!

            Prometheus is the younger brother of Nudol A-235. For satellites and hyper-speed targets in near space, these two systems Nudol and Prometheus will work, but not Triumph ... in any case, in any case in the coming years.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 24 March 2018 13: 46
        +3
        Hanokem (Hanokem)
        Very good news about the purchase of the S-400 Indians. Then our specialists will undoubtedly dig into it and find weaknesses
        Well, what are your specialists there? It’s better to dig deeper into yourself. And one time you will find a weak spot. laughing
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 24 March 2018 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Observer2014
          Well, what are your specialists there? It’s better to dig deeper into yourself. And one time you will find a weak spot.

          Not well, the Jews in air defense know a lot. In vain did they study at our universities. Long overtaken storage. On the threshold of the USA
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 24 March 2018 13: 46
        0
        Quote: Hanokem
        Then our specialists will undoubtedly dig into it and find weaknesses

        Or maybe we are selling S-400 so that Israeli specialists find weaknesses bully
        1. Hanokem
          Hanokem 24 March 2018 13: 57
          0
          And I thought for the sake of profit ...
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 24 March 2018 14: 04
            +2
            Quote: Hanokem
            And I thought for the sake of profit ...

            Not. All for the purpose of Israel's 111 regions of Russia hi
            1. Hanokem
              Hanokem 24 March 2018 15: 42
              0
              I don’t feel like it. Better to just be on good terms. And you still haven’t settled your life in New Russia
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 24 March 2018 16: 27
                +1
                Quote: Hanokem
                I don’t feel like it. Better to just be on good terms. And you still haven’t settled your life in New Russia

                Hotz is not a hotz. Who will ask you will be. We have phantom pains in Odessa. You have a third of the Russian population. Let's sing drinks
                1. Hanokem
                  Hanokem 24 March 2018 18: 54
                  0
                  Not Russian but Russian-speaking, but if phantom pains are in Odessa, then it is in the south of Ukraine, you do not know the geography
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 24 March 2018 19: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Hanokem
                    you know geography poorly

                    And you are not in the covenant of Birobidzhan. And I'm at your place hi
                    1. Hanokem
                      Hanokem 24 March 2018 21: 22
                      0
                      Well, the thing. After all, your mother is a former Jew
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 25 March 2018 07: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Hanokem
                        Well, the thing. After all, your mother is a former Jew

                        My ex’s mother doesn’t exist, because I’m not rushing to supposedly her homeland, hi
      4. My doctor
        My doctor 24 March 2018 15: 12
        0
        Quote: Hanokem
        Very good news about the purchase of the S-400 Indians. Then our specialists will undoubtedly dig into it and find weaknesses

        I do not think that the value for the technical intelligence of the sold C400 will be very low. As a maximum, there will already be well-known technologies. It is enough that the capabilities of the c400 in the export version are higher than the foreign counterparts going for export.
        1. Hanokem
          Hanokem 24 March 2018 15: 40
          +1
          So we need it. We are not going to fight with the Russians, but with countries that will have an export version of the S-400
    5. Artek
      Artek 24 March 2018 18: 04
      0
      very, very expensive complexes, India will bargain to the last.
  2. bogart047
    bogart047 24 March 2018 12: 25
    +1
    it is necessary - the woman also ceased to curry favor ...
  3. Lenivets2
    Lenivets2 24 March 2018 12: 30
    +9
    After China bought the S-400, buying India is only a matter of time and price.
    In any case, they will buy, and therefore ours should bargain and not be led by the constant whining of the Indians about joint production.
    Hindus, as always, for their pennies want to get a discount on goods and built factories and technology and ...
    Let them invest hundreds of billions of dollars into development, then we’ll talk about joint production.
    In the meantime, let the carrots be sucked.
  4. jovanni
    jovanni 24 March 2018 12: 30
    +2
    A contract with India for the supply of C-400 will be signed soon

    This "will be signed in the near future" is no longer funny. What only in the near future they will not sign with India! Most likely nothing ...
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 24 March 2018 12: 32
    +4
    The only question is time:
    1 How soon will the S-400 trials be held in India, where the Indians will declare the complete failure and superiority of American systems? At the same time, they will not refuse to purchase, just ask to lower the price.
    2 How much time will it take for the Americans to get full information on the S-400 from India?
    1. Don
      Don 24 March 2018 12: 53
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      How much time will it take for the Americans to get full information on C-400 from India?

      It will take a little less time than getting the same information from Turkey or Saudi Arabia. And they want to get it right away, they’ll buy it directly from Russia, Chemezov has already given the go-ahead wink
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 24 March 2018 14: 52
        0
        I think that Chemezov, as a KGB officer, has already calculated this situation (the sale of the S-400 SA, Turkey, with a high probability of studying these systems by our partners). Therefore, most likely, these systems will be delivered in the “wrong form”
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 March 2018 23: 28
      0
      "How soon will the tests pass in India S-400" ////

      This, by the way, is interesting. Hindus like to test weapons before buying at their training ground and at their targets. There will be a serious check for the S-400 for compliance with the declared performance characteristics
  6. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 24 March 2018 12: 54
    +16
    Yes, we sell the complex to everyone
    Is it necessary
    I do not mean money, but a national security issue
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 24 March 2018 13: 29
      0
      Quote: Rotmistr
      I do not mean money, but a national security issue

      To subjugate the national air defense of India, Turkey, and possibly the Saudis. This is a question of Our security rather than a lot of money. IMHO
  7. askort154
    askort154 24 March 2018 13: 12
    +3
    The most terrible corruption in international trade is the arms trade. India is a leader. She surpassed the Arabs. Can "throw" at any stage of the contract. But we cannot ignore such a big "bazaar".
  8. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 24 March 2018 13: 16
    -1
    Quote: Rotmistr
    Yes, we sell the complex to everyone
    Is it necessary
    I do not mean money, but a national security issue

    hohlobandity with might and main are preparing to fight us with our same S-300
    Money does not smell
  9. rruvim
    rruvim 24 March 2018 13: 26
    0
    Something is not believed. In India, the majority of Anglophiles are now in government and parliament. And they have been rattling about 15 years with statements about the purchase of our aircraft, and their air defense has long been hooked on Israeli developments.
  10. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 25 March 2018 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Hanokem
    Very good news about the purchase of the S-400 Indians. Then our specialists will undoubtedly dig into it and find weaknesses


    And, what, the S-400 was specially made for idiots to poke around in it.
    (you can dig deeper into the nose ...)