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The Netherlands wants to replace its Walruses. But what?

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Germany and the Netherlands held consultations on technical cooperation in the naval industry. The meeting was held between the heads of national arms departments and was of a closed nature. However, certain “leaks” appeared in the Dutch press.


So, it is alleged that the topic of German-Dutch cooperation was discussed in the creation of new ships (including submarines) for the needs fleet Germany and the Netherlands. In particular, it was said that the Netherlands by 2027 plans to completely abandon the operation of the Walrus project of diesel-electric submarines of the Kingdom of the Royal Navy. These are multi-purpose diesel-electric submarines developed in the late 70s. Built at the Droogdok Mij shipyard in Rotterdam until 1994. There are four such submarines in service with the Netherlands Navy submarines: S802 Walrus (Walrus), S803 Zeeleeuw (Sea Lion), S808 Dolfijn (Dolphin) and S808 Bruinvis (Sea Pig). At the same time, the Netherlands Navy does not yet have an exact understanding of exactly how to change their Walruses.

The Netherlands wants to replace its Walruses. But what?


German and Dutch companies are ready to enter into a mode of cooperation to create new units for the naval forces of the two countries with the possibility of manufacturing equipment and for the naval forces of other NATO countries. But there are problems.

Initially, the German Lürssen Werft and ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) were supposed to enter the joint project with the Dutch, but then the German authorities decided to set barriers for the deal with the Dutch companies, as it was reported that fundamental differences in the approach to the creation of new ships (in first of all - surface) for the naval forces. These contradictions and tried to overcome the representatives of the national departments of armaments during the meeting.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 24 March 2018 07: 40
    0
    Poseidons!
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 24 March 2018 07: 42
      +2
      And they need these submarines in general, they can’t reach the technologies of the leading countries for the production of submarines, so should they even get in touch with this.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 March 2018 13: 56
        +5
        Quote: Spartanez300
        they cannot reach the technologies of leading countries for the production of submarines, so should they even get involved in this?

        The Dutch therefore “contact” with the Germans in order to possess these technologies, they can localize production at home. Whatever it is, but the employment of the population ... And the Germans will reduce the cost of production through cooperation.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 March 2018 18: 03
          +1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The Dutch therefore “contact” with the Germans in order to possess these technologies, they can localize production at home. Whatever it is, but the employment of the population ... And the Germans will reduce the cost of production through cooperation.

          Ok Germans, the Dutch, then why do these boats? request The answer is just to be.
    2. Hanokem
      Hanokem 24 March 2018 11: 12
      0
      I think that the Dutch will take boats of the 212 project. No one has come up with anything better.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 March 2018 14: 02
        +5
        Quote: Hanokem
        boats 212 project. No one has come up with anything better.

        Well, why ... The Swedes won’t push the A26 into the market. Japan Soryu exploit in all.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 24 March 2018 14: 07
        +4
        Quote: Hanokem
        I think that the Dutch will take boats of the 212 project. No one has come up with anything better.

        Yeah ... Where am I with my flying saucer ... I send greetings from outer space to Israel!
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 March 2018 07: 41
    +2
    In vain they start all this ... No one can stop the Russians, if that!
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 24 March 2018 08: 06
      0
      They are trying to increase the fleet due to quantity, not quality. Let the ships of the 70s be modernized.
      1. Russia
        Russia 24 March 2018 10: 10
        +3
        And for many associations with walruses in another sense, it would be better to change the name than to spend that kind of money. smile
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 24 March 2018 11: 11
          +3
          Quote: Rusland
          And for many associations with walruses in another sense, it would be better to change the name than to spend that kind of money. smile

          Yes, let them spend, walruses for the Russians anyway .. hehe

          The very nature of the Russians supports, because the truth was on our side and will be!
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  4. 210ox
    210ox 24 March 2018 07: 41
    +1
    Why? The question is strange. The striped uncle demanded.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 24 March 2018 07: 57
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      What for? The question is strange.


      The question is generally not “why?”, But “what?”, And so far the Dutch themselves cannot answer it yet.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 March 2018 08: 20
        +2
        Thanks for the amendment. hi To write from the night shift is generally harmful. I went to sleep ..
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: 210ox
        What for? The question is strange.


        The question is generally not “why?”, But “what?”, And so far the Dutch themselves cannot answer it yet.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 24 March 2018 07: 45
    0
    And themselves that forgot how to build boats? fool At least for the beginning they upgraded them, and along the way they decided what and from whom they would buy.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 March 2018 07: 50
    +2
    Submarines completely unnecessary for the Dutch - only as part of NATO’s combined fleet ... Then the boats should be standardized ...
  7. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 24 March 2018 07: 51
    +1
    it’s not a boat but a manYunechka)) to protect a coral reef or something.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 24 March 2018 08: 28
      +1
      For the Baltic and North Sea, such boats
      The European hostel was a utopia in general, a little late they began to understand the disadvantages of such a Europe
      1. tanit
        tanit 24 March 2018 09: 55
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        For the Baltic, any submarine is almost a mass grave. For the North Sea ... Hmm, and Holland shores go there?
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 24 March 2018 10: 05
          +2
          Of course, northern and Caribbean
          1. tanit
            tanit 24 March 2018 10: 08
            +1
            Is the Panama Canal the same? belay
            1. tanit
              tanit 24 March 2018 10: 10
              0
              Hmm, it was wrong, the North Sea geographically - the coast of Holland. hi
    2. san4es
      san4es 24 March 2018 10: 24
      +4
      Quote: Kosmotoga
      .... to protect the coral reef.

      ... too fat fellow , for the reef.
      Main characteristics
      Ship Type Multipurpose DEPL
      Codification of NATO SSK Walrus
      Speed ​​(surface) of 12 knots
      Speed ​​(Underwater) 20 Knots
      Working immersion depth 300 m
      Autonomy 18 km at 500 knots
      Crew of 52 people
      including 7 officers
      dimensions
      Surface displacement 2 t
      Underwater displacement 2 t
      The greatest length (on KVL) 67,7 m
      The width of the body naib. 8,4 m
      Average draft (on design waterline) 7,0 m
      Power point
      diesel electric
      3 diesel engines SEMT-Pielstick 12 PA4 200 VG, 6 300 hp,
      3 generators, 2,88 MW,
      2 Holec electric motor, 6 910 hp,
      1 propeller shaft
      weaponry
      Torpedo
      mine armament 4 bow 533 mm TA,
      20 torpedoes or missiles,
      up to 40 min instead of torpedoes
      Missile weapons RCC "Sub-Harpoon" hi
  8. san4es
    san4es 24 March 2018 10: 11
    +2
    Armed with the submarine forces of the Netherlands Navy today, four such submarines:

    Submarines of the Netherlands Navy S 803 Zeeleeuw, S 808 Dolfijn and S 810 Bruinvis on a synchro-lift at the Den Helder naval base. 11.11.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 24 March 2018 14: 18
      +4
      Sanya, here are the alleys! They can’t even dive urgently! And finally, where is the depth for the submarine near the shore?
      1. san4es
        san4es 24 March 2018 14: 59
        0
        hi Hi Slav.
        where is the depth for submarines near the shore?
        ... They have their own maps of the depths and go into the ocean (in the upper video of the Caribbean, Curacao) ... And in the North Sea, they have their own tactics:
        ... its average depth is 95 m. In the southern part of the sea there are shallows, the water layer above which does not exceed 40 m; under the influence of winds and strong sea currents, they constantly move, which greatly complicates navigation. The greatest depths (including the maximum - 725 m) are located in the deep Norwegian trench, which stretches along the southern coast of Norway from the Skagerrak Strait to the Norwegian Sea; deep-sea - over 450 m - faults were also found in the western part of the sea, for example east of Edinburgh.
        A characteristic feature of the bottom relief of the North Sea is a sharp change in depths and extensive shallows, called banks here. Above the largest of them, Dogger Bank off the east coast of England, the depth is only 15-30 m.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 March 2018 10: 21
    +2
    The Germans and the Dutch have differences in the construction of ships. Poles have their own views on migration and justice. France is trying to replace Germany on the bridge of a European ship. And so with everyone and in almost everything. Unity occurs only in relation to sanctions against Russia. And they are still thinking about creating a European army.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 24 March 2018 11: 06
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Unity occurs only in relation to sanctions against Russia. And they are still thinking about creating a European army.

      I doubt that they think so. Since Europe is partly occupied, and partly just being enslaved, they are strongly advised to be friends with whom and how
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 March 2018 22: 59
        +1
        "Since Europe is partially occupied, and partially just to be in slavery" ////

        Who is this? belay You scare me sometimes. I travel a lot in Europe. Suddenly fall into slavery out of ignorance? smile
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 24 March 2018 23: 08
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Who is this? You scare me sometimes. I travel a lot in Europe. Suddenly fall into slavery out of ignorance?

          You need the Olympic team in humor, such a talent!
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 25 March 2018 11: 02
          0
          Ask the Poles, they will tell you. Hide your passport ... Although it’s all the same, they’re not beating him ... :)
  10. KryoWarrior1978
    KryoWarrior1978 24 March 2018 12: 21
    0
    "Harbour porpoise" laughing laughing laughing Funny.