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How the Poles Bulgaria "freed"

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During the celebration of the 140 anniversary of the liberation of Bulgaria, President of this country Rumen Radev expressed appreciation for the national liberation of the Romanians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Poles and Finns. According to witnesses of previous ceremonies, this wording has been used in recent years.


How the Poles Bulgaria "freed"


If everything is clear with the Romanians - they really acted as Russia's allies and participated in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78, then everything else sounds strange. If Radev was so important to indicate the nationality of Russian soldiers and officers who served in the Imperial Army, then it is not clear why he ignored the attention of Ossetians, Tatars, Mordovians, Udmurts, Kalmyks and other peoples of our multi-ethnic country.

The goal of such a strange presentation of a historical event is obvious: to diminish the role of the Russian empire and present the situation in such a way that Bulgaria was liberated by almost the EU.

But if we touch on participation in the liberation of the Poles, then everything is not so simple.

In the reports of officers of the Don regiments of the Danube army, operating in the 1877-78 year against the Turks, it was indicated that among the bashi-bazouks killed by their Cossacks were European bodies. Moreover, some even had body crosses. However, this did not prevent them from participating in the massacres of Bulgarian civilians - as evidenced by the "beads" of human ears. These Europeans are Polish volunteers who decided to fight against Russia and Orthodoxy on the side of the Turks. So to say, "For our and your freedom!".


Note that Bashibuzuki (literally translated from Turkish - “with a defective head”, “crazy”), is the irregular formation of the Ottoman Empire. Due to low discipline and poor training, they had low combat value, and could not resist the enemy troops. However, this was not required of them - the Turks used bashibuzuki, mainly for terror against civilians and punitive actions. In Bulgaria, they “became famous” for their inhuman cruelty to civilians, mass violence and murder, desecration of Orthodox churches and the execution of priests.

However, all this was well known to Polish volunteers, yesterday's participants in the 1863 insurgency. “Having filled their hands” on the Belarusian and Ukrainian peasants, they were in no way inferior to their Turkish “brothers by arms».


But if among the bashi-bazouks there were scattered ordinary thugs of the 1863 of the year, their famous leaders appeared before the outbreak of the war in Constantinople. Such eminent rebels as Marian Langevich (Langi-bey), Teofil Lapinsky (Teffik-bey), Vladislav Kostelsky (Sefer Pasha), Konstantin Bozhetsky (Mustafa Jelaleddin Pasha), subsequently killed during punitive operations against the Montenegrin patriots, gathered there.

By the way, many Polish mercenaries of the Sultan willingly accepted Islam, since the real “religion” for them was only hatred of Russia.

Through the efforts of the Poles, the Polish Legion in Turkey (Legion Polski w Turcji) was formed, consisting of two branches, the European and the Asian.

The Asian detachment (in which there were such well-known rebels as Vladislav Yablonovsky and Karol Brzozovsky) acted against the Russian Army on the Transcaucasian Front, on the territory of Turkish Armenia, and the western - on the Balkans.

The commander of the western squad was Jozef Yagman, a professional mercenary and terrorist, which is worth special mention.

He began his rebel and traitor career in 1830, taking part in an uprising against Russia. Then he engaged in the Polish Legion in Hungary during the Hungarian uprising 1848. In the Crimean War 1854-1856. he took part in the regiment of the sultan "Cossacks" in Turkey gene. Vladislav Zamoyski (consisting mainly of Poles, and a small number of Bulgarians). Took part in the 1863 uprising.

And then he ended up in the Turkish army in Bulgaria, where he took an active part in the brutal suppression of the Bulgarian April uprising of the year 1877 (the genocide launched by the punishers and forced Russia to start a war). He was killed in the battle of Kizlar, in which the western squad of the Polish Legion was defeated.

Polish emigration in Constantinople actively worked with the British residency, receiving money from it for the anti-Russian uprising in Poland.

In addition, Adam Sapega, who received money from the British, was preparing a large-scale sabotage in the rear of the Russian Danube army. It was planned to carry out a raid by the forces of a detachment of Hungarian and Polish volunteers (1400 Hungarians and 450 Poles) to Serbia along the back lines of the Russian troops. Fortunately, this plan failed.

Already after the defeat of Turkey, the captain of the English army, Stanislav Bauer de Saint-Clair (by his mother, Kossakovsky) raised an Islamist revolt among Pomaks, the Polish-born Bulgarians, who did not want to live in a Christian and free Bulgaria. According to Polish sources, the rebels won a couple of victories in clashes with Russian rear units and hoped to break into Poland in order to raise another uprising there. But in the end, they were scattered.

So the Poles fought for the "liberation" of Bulgaria. For the sake of justice, it should be said that the Polish mercenaries did not have anything specifically against the Bulgarians, except that they are Orthodox, and Russia supports them. As they say, nothing personal.
It can be argued that the Poles were in the Russian Army. But, unlike the volunteers in the ranks of the Ottoman troops and bashi-bazouks, they fought under duress, serving military service.

Due to numerous cases of betrayal, desertion and transfer to the enemy’s side (Imam Shamil even had a brass band from Polish defectors who entertained murids with mazurkas and polonaises), Polish soldiers were considered unreliable and tried to keep away from contact with the enemy in the rear services and works.

There were ethnic Poles in the Russian army — conscious warriors loyal to the oath to their sovereign. Some of them have reached top positions. Chief of Staff of the Danube Army Artur Nepokachitsky, Kazimir Levitsky, generals Dmitry Naglovsky, Adam Kvetsinsky, Konstantin Biskupsky fought for the liberation of the enslaved Slavic peoples.

But in today's Poland, they are not considered liberation soldiers, but collaborationists and national traitors. But how heroes are honored by those who, together with bashi-bazouks, cut and raped Bulgarian women and children.

In light of this, the “politically correct” speech of Rumen Radev is not only a spittle towards the liberators, but also a mockery of the memory of thousands of Bulgarian martyrs.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 March 2018 05: 23
    +26
    During the celebration of the 140 anniversary of the liberation of Bulgaria, the president of this country, Rumen Radev, expressed appreciation for the national liberation of the Romanians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Poles and Finns.

    He gladly gave something, did not mention the merikatos as liberators. They certainly mostly liberated Bulgaria. bully
    But seriously, Russophobia, and on its basis a lie, beats all imagined and not imagined heights. angry
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 March 2018 06: 21
      +8
      Quote: aszzz888
      During the celebration of the 140 anniversary of the liberation of Bulgaria, the president of this country, Rumen Radev, expressed appreciation for the national liberation of the Romanians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Poles and Finns.
      But seriously, Russophobia, and on its basis a lie, beats all imagined and not imagined heights. angry
      Now, what are the Russians, as the liberators of Bulgaria ---- not mentioned? Does it mean that the peoples that make up the Republic of Ingushetia have been freed from the word COMPLETELY, but the Russians haven’t? Or has Radev already divided into parts of the Republic of Ingushetia?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 24 March 2018 06: 53
        +13
        Reptiloid (Dmitry) Today, 06: 21Now that Russians, as liberators of Bulgaria, are not mentioned ----? Does it mean that the peoples that make up the Republic of Ingushetia have been freed from the word COMPLETELY, but the Russians haven’t? Or has Radev already divided into parts of the Republic of Ingushetia?

        According to Radeva, it turns out like this. "Brothers" do not betray themselves, to spoil us - this is a joy to them.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 24 March 2018 07: 17
      +7
      Quote: aszzz888
      Something glad he gave

      It would be better if he really gave Mach than to carry such garbage!
    3. pytar
      pytar 24 March 2018 12: 11
      +17
      The article contains gross inaccuracies, and as it has already become traditional in Russian media, the Bulgarian-Phobian bias is clearly expressed! Here are the full text of the congratulations of President Radev:
      "This is a memory of the fraternal impulse of Russian society, which proved that the Orthodox Bulgarians are not alone. We will not forget it. We will not forget the words from the manifesto of Emperor Alexander II, declaring war on the Ottoman Empire, that" this requires a sense of justice, and a feeling Our own dignity. "" The people themselves went to war, led by the tsar, "wrote Dostoevsky in his diary," people read the manifesto and were baptized. "These scenes, these feelings are deep and unshakable by selfish political interpretations. On the battlefields of the Russian-tour Coy liberation war dead soldiers of many nations. Russian, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins to all of them Bulgaria - last house, and we honor both of their characters. "
      As for the participation of the Poles in the liberation of Bulgaria, it has a long history since the beginning of the XIV century, when the crusader army, led by the king of the king, Vladislav III Varnenchik, tried to liberate Bulgaria.
      As for the Russian-Turkish war of liberation in 1877-78, there are isolated cases of Poles participating on the Ottoman side. At the same time, the Poles were the largest non-Russian group in the Russian army that took part in this war! The Poles, namely the ethnic Catholic Catholics from Polsha, accounted for more than 9% of all Russian troops. Around 50-55 thousand took part in the war. Many generals, the military were Poles. The Poles in this war have their Heroes! For example, the general who died at Shipki was the only Pole. In the Russian archives there are many cases described in which the Poles showed courage and heroism.
      The mention of the Poles and others does not in any way diminish the Russian character of this fair war!
      I’ll also say that in that row, as President Radev mentioned all, Bulgaria began to celebrate the 3-March, even during socialism from the beginning of the 70-ies, at the request of the then Soviet leadership! Until now, no one on the side of the Russian Federation has objected!

      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 March 2018 13: 50
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        I’ll also say that in that row, as President Radev mentioned all, Bulgaria began to celebrate March 3, back during socialism from the beginning of the 70s, at the request of the then Soviet leadership!
        If possible, give a link to appropriate speech Zhivkova. I doubt that there is such a thing.
        1. pytar
          pytar 24 March 2018 15: 42
          +2
          If possible, give a link to the corresponding speech of Zhivkov. I doubt that there is such a thing.

          And here, Todor Zhivkov and his speech? I don’t know what he said on this subject, and it is unlikely that he said anything for the reason that I will mention later! But I also remember that at the celebrations of 3-March of that time, Russians, Finns and Romanians were mentioned. I don’t remember about the Poles. It has long been. Alexander II was not specifically mentioned, since the Communists had a negative attitude towards monarchism. In principle, all kinds of official speeches were approved by the Party committees. I suppose they had appropriate instructions. In the USSR, the Bolsheviks demolished the monuments of Russian commanders and statesmen of that time. The Bulgarian communists were afraid to touch similar monuments located on the territory of Bulgaria, so that they were preserved only with us. There is one thing I believe is a fact unknown to you! From the moment the BKP came to power / 09.09.1944 /, it canceled the celebrations as a national holiday on the day of the liberation of Bulgaria from Ottoman rule! They thought he was too "chauvinistic." Until 1990, the national holiday of Bulgaria was 09.09 - the day the BKP took power! 3-March was celebrated, as a usual holiday. In 1990, after the advent of democracy, Parliament reinstated the status of 3-March as a national holiday of the Republic of Bulgaria.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 March 2018 08: 06
            +3
            Quote: pytar
            But I also remember that at the celebrations of March 3, of that time, Russians, Finns and Romanians were mentioned.

            Those. evidence (except your remember, I remember) no.
            Q.E.D. Unconvincing.
            Quote: pytar
            Bulgarian communists were afraid to touch similar monuments located on the territory of Bulgaria, so they preserved only with us

            Honor and praise to the Bulgarians for this! hi
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 March 2018 12: 34
              +1
              Those. evidence (except for your remember-I don’t remember) -no. what was required to prove. Unconvincing.

              Since the topic relates to Bulgaria, those who would like to know more can listen to us Bulgarians. Find out about our recollections and opinions. In all cases, we know better what is in our country. You are mistaken that I want to prove something to you. There is probably documentary evidence. I did not look, and it is unlikely that they are in the public domain. In such cases, we can draw conclusions indirectly. According to the results and testimonies of the participants! If congratulations were read in some spirit during the social, this cannot be the self-initiative of the reader. And so, in principle, it makes no difference to me what beliefs you will reach. request
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 25 March 2018 14: 21
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                Find out about our recollections and opinions. In all cases, we know better what is in our country.

                I learned your opinion, but your memories are no longer confirmed by anything, alas request
                Quote: pytar
                And so, in principle, it makes no difference to me what beliefs you will reach.

                Well, nice! yes
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 24 March 2018 15: 34
        +9
        So Bulgaria, which countries liberated? Poland, Lithuania Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, Montenegro, Serbia and Russia! So it turns out?
        Why is this breakdown by ethnicity?
        So the troops of that Britain of the 19th century should be divided into the British, Scots, Vali, Canadians, Australians and other inhabitants of the WORLD HEGEMON of the 19th century?
        The army of the French Kingdoms and Republics should be divided into champagne, Gascon and others, and others ???
        So it turns out judging by the logic of your PREMIER?
        1. pytar
          pytar 24 March 2018 15: 56
          +7
          So Bulgaria, which countries liberated? Poland, Lithuania Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, Montenegro, Serbia and Russia! So it turns out?

          Alex, go talk about rude speculation on the part of the Russian media! Either the Russian translation from the speech of President Radev was wrong or someone intentionally misrepresented the facts! I published the whole paragraph above! I will copy that line again:
          On the battlefields of the Russian-Turkish liberation war, warriors of many nations died: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins.

          Where do you see the mention "Poland, Lithuania Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, Montenegro, Serbia ...!" ??? The president, quite correctly and historically true, said everything!
          So it turns out judging by the logic of your PREMIER?

          By the way, Gen. Rumen Radev - THE PRESIDENT, NOT THE PREMIER! Bulgaria is a parliamentary Republic and we have a PREMIER / Minister-Chairman / Boyko Borisov.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 24 March 2018 16: 35
            +3
            Sorry for the humiliation of the President.
            But following his logic, Italian officials should be on April 25 during the celebration of the day of liberation (the national holiday in Italy is celebrated on April 25, the day the country was liberated from fascism. It was from this day that a new stage in the history of Italy began - hundreds of Italian cities and villages were liberated and saved a huge number of people) mention ALL countries liberators and ALL nationalities and ethnic groups inhabiting and inhabiting THESE countries.
            For example, the Americanized JAPANESE (INSEY) - indicate Italy was freed by JAPANESE ... Hooray ...
            So Italy was EXEMPTED FROM FASCISM JAPAN ...

            And why did your PRESIDENT not mention the Jews? They probably were in the army of the Russian Empire ... Not tolerant.
            1. pytar
              pytar 24 March 2018 18: 33
              +7
              The logic is different for everyone! I don’t know what the Italians have! And I do not know among the Abyssinians! laughing In Bulgaria there are monuments and memorials to many peoples whose blueness fell for our freedom! In Gornji Dubnik, there are Finnish ones! Near Pleven there is a Romanian cemetery and memorial. More than 400 monument is in Bulgaria associated with this war! On their plates there are many non-Russian names! I believe that President Radev mentioned those peoples who have more victims and now have their own national states. You won’t count all, for which he said "warriors of many nations perished: RUSSIAN ... etc."! He clearly mentioned who the presenter was: "the impulse of Russian society ... We will not forget it. We will not forget ... Emperor Alexander II ..."
              Everything is correctly and accurately said!
              1. d1975
                d1975 25 March 2018 11: 48
                +3
                And remember how many did not recognize you? Who gave you statehood at all! It is clear that in the modern world, kindness is perceived as weakness. But Russia is not the USSR, much that the union did - the Russian Federation and does not think. Although it is very necessary. To begin with, to plant the Baltic states, zheks on bread and water, and then it's time to start working on you too. Judah is not your faith. am
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 24 March 2018 18: 43
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            The president, quite correctly and historically true, said everything!

            So he does not respect Ossetians right?
            1. pytar
              pytar 24 March 2018 19: 23
              +4
              "the warriors of many nations perished ... Bulgaria is the last home for all of them, and we honor them as our heroes" - President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev
              1. Hitrovan07
                Hitrovan07 24 March 2018 22: 08
                +3
                So which country freed you from the Ottomans?
                Distort the facts.
              2. co-creator
                co-creator 25 March 2018 00: 20
                +2
                Where did he say about Ossetians? He said about the Poles, Finns and others, but nothing was said about the famous Cossack Ossetian hundreds. Do not respect, ashamed to admit?
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            3. Gado
              Gado 24 March 2018 19: 33
              +4
              Are you pretending to be a moron or haven’t changed a training manual yet?
              1. Height
                Height 24 March 2018 23: 40
                +2
                So, they understood, the Poles freed you.
              2. co-creator
                co-creator 25 March 2018 00: 22
                +1
                Quote: Gado
                Are you pretending to be a moron or haven’t changed a training manual yet?

                A man who does not have honor, tell me why the scum, Finns and others are listed and there are no Ossets? Unworthy? Do you know what role the Ossetian Cossack hundreds played in the war?
                1. Gado
                  Gado 25 March 2018 17: 36
                  +3
                  I will not answer you at all, I did not deserve it. And your faults only show the purpose of your comments - you are just another troll. And do not you teach me honor and dignity.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Gado
                    I will not answer you at all, I did not deserve it. And your faults only show the purpose of your comments - you are just another troll. And do not you teach me honor and dignity

                    That's right, when a person is ashamed to give a direct answer, he declares the interlocutor a troll and merges. You guys have neither conscience nor honor.
          3. demo
            demo 26 March 2018 17: 37
            +1
            On the battlefields of the Russian-Turkish liberation war, warriors of many nations died: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins.
            Where do you see the mention "Poland, Lithuania Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, Montenegro, Serbia ...!" ??? The president, quite correctly and historically true, said everything!
            Respected pytar .
            There are certain standard logical zones in the style of the Russian language, which are very difficult for a non-native speaker to understand and use accordingly.
            I explain.
            When it is said that Finnish soldiers took part in the war, then we, the Russian speakers, understand this so - the Finnish military formations.
            When they say that Belarusians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, etc., died, then we perceive this as the death of the military contingents of these countries.
            But at the time of the war of the Russian Empire with the Ottoman Empire, the above nations and nationalities were part of the Russian Empire. Persons above the designated nations and nationalities generally did not enter the personnel army, but were volunteer militias. This does not diminish their role in the events described.
            But the picture does not add clarity.
            It is obvious that the inhabitants of Romania, through whose territory the Russian troops were advancing, treated them positively.
            So they can be considered allies and volunteer assistants?
            And the inhabitants of the Bulgarian villages who met our soldiers with bread and salt can be assigned to the same category?
            And at the expense of 9% of the Poles.
            Kindly indicate the source of such odious, from my point of view, facts.

            Read carefully the table.
            In what provinces how many Russian troops stood. And how many of them were taken from there to the war.
            The Polish kingdoms are a very troubled economy and they decided not to dissolve it much. Poles constantly strove to stick a knife in the back.
            So I'm waiting for a link from you.
        2. alatanas
          alatanas 26 March 2018 11: 31
          +1
          https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D1%87%
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          The top command staff is listed here - enlighten. (no Russian translation, so bother with the Bulgarian text)
      3. d1975
        d1975 25 March 2018 11: 44
        +1
        It was right to say that the Russians are warriors of the Russian Empire, by the power of Russian weapons! yes
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 March 2018 12: 43
          +2
          It was right to say that the Russians are warriors of the Russian Empire, by the power of Russian weapons!

          When you become President, write like that! yes In your congratulations, he should write himself congratulations! lol
    4. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 26 March 2018 14: 45
      +1
      Amnesia of the Bulgarians is a national disease, in all wars against Russia the Bolgans liberated by the Russian army were on the side of the enemies.
      1. Gado
        Gado 26 March 2018 21: 04
        +2
        Oh, another "conspirator" appeared, and also - "... in all wars were against Russia." You would have taught history, and how a parrot has been repeating for a long time a shabby dictum about "in all wars." And aren't you tired of being parrots?
  2. dog breeder
    dog breeder 24 March 2018 05: 37
    +13
    The author of the article did not note the role of English Jews in this conflict. Somehow, it was historically led that all the capital acquired by these Jews was generously watered with blood, often from both sides of the conflict!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 March 2018 09: 26
      +15
      Quote: dog breeder
      The author of the article did not note the role of English Jews in this conflict. Somehow, it was historically led that all the capital acquired by these Jews was generously watered with blood, often from both sides of the conflict!

      And you write, otherwise you will not see anything from empty words. One hatred of the Jews. But do you know about this?

      In 1874, the law on universal military service was introduced, according to which all Russian citizens who reached the 21 of the year were subject to military service. The equalization of Jews with the rest of the population regarding military service was enshrined. Thousands of Jews fought in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877 – 78. About a quarter of the personnel were Jews in the 16-th division of General M. Skobelev and in the 13-th division, formed in the Minsk and Mogilev provinces. Many of them distinguished themselves in battles: for example, during the assault on 30 on August 1877 of Gorny Dubnyak, a group of Jewish soldiers led by non-commissioned officer Faynerman rushed forward with a cry of "Shema, Israel!", Dragging a Russian assault column with them.
      A war correspondent of the time wrote: "I did a significant part of the campaign in the Balkans with the Skobelev detachment, and I never heard that the Jewish soldiers were inferior to the Russian soldiers in anything." At a fort near Shipka, a shell fell at the feet of the artilleryman Leibush Faygenbaum, but before it had time to burst, Faygenbaum, without being at a loss, threw it into a nearby moat and saved the gun and soldier. For this he received the St. George Cross, was marked by a special order in the army, and much was written about him in the newspapers. In the same war, Leybush Feigenbaum received two more George and died from a wound.
      And one more testimony of the company commander of the thirtieth division, so incredible that it is difficult to believe in him. Nevertheless, this is a fact. He said: “On December 24 of 1877 of the year, at dawn ... we climbed, barely breathing, to the top of an incredibly steep steep mountain. And then we suddenly found ourselves face to face with an enemy five times our strength. The enemy started a shootout, we must to retreat - but where? .. Look down the hill - your head is spinning: certain death! .. Suddenly there were a few voices: “Go ahead, Turk, go ahead! ..” Seven or eight Jewish soldiers rushed to the enemy, and grabbing at two, three Turks each, shouting “Fuck it!” rushed along the slope into the abyss. Their desperate call for other brave companies of the company inspected. The moans and screams of the fallen deafened the Turks so much that they fled. Having strengthened my position, I sent the orderlies to scout the fate of desperate fighters. Twenty-six of us died, nineteen of them Jewish soldiers, and sixty-seven Turks "Very few survived."
      Even before the Russo-Turkish war, the Russian army had doubts as to whether "the lower ranks could have confidence in Jewish medical doctors." In response, the commanders of the units reported that "the nationality of the medical officer does not matter in the eyes of our sick soldier" and that "the doctors from the Jews were always distinguished by their knowledge of the work and zeal for the service." During the Russo-Turkish war, Jewish doctors - along with other doctors - served in military hospitals and were in charge of hospitals. Eyewitnesses reported that the soldiers treated them with complete confidence, and officers often elected them officers of the officers' assemblies. The doctor Mordechai Zeltser distinguished himself in that war and died in the line of duty. Israel Zabludovsky was the senior doctor of one of the Cossack regiments, showed himself near Plevna, and after the war he became the senior doctor of the Life Guards Preobrazhensky regiment. Doctors Grossman, Cher, Shklyaver, Shapiro, Rabinovich and others received awards "for differences in affairs with the Turks" and "for the labors and deprivations incurred in the past campaign." 
      It remains only to add that in Moscow, behind the building of the Polytechnic Museum, to this day you can see the monument-chapel, which the Russian grenadiers erected to their comrades who fell near Plevna. On the walls of the chapel are the names of the officers and soldiers who particularly distinguished themselves in the battles of 1877 of the year. There are also Jewish names there: Abram Klyakh, Samuel Brem, Naum Kolomets, Moshka Umansky, Isaak Rodzevich, Moses Masyuk. The Jewish deputy recalled them in the future, in the State Duma, advocating the abolition of the Pale of Settlement: “If all these people were resurrected,” he said, “to whom the nation erected a monument, then they would not have the right to come to Moscow and look at their monument".

      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder 24 March 2018 10: 18
        +11
        What to write then? I have already written. And you wrote, but about other Jews, about Russian.
        And yet, be correct, I didn’t write in the same pot.
        The fact that you are treated ambiguously is not my fault. Moreover, I had a friend, an old Jew, much older than me. Here is him, and the memory of him, I respect and respect immensely. But among your modern compatriots, perhaps not even Jews, but from the side, there are a lot of such people - “we Jews ...!”. recently, one such boasted that the Jewish people had given Jesus the world. ETOGES necessary! Exceptional! Hide your pride away!
        And my friend, an old Jew, said that a real Jew is a virtuoso of compromise! Everything else is from the evil one! And he said a lot of things, both about modern "Jews" living now in Israel, and those who did not go there.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 March 2018 12: 13
          +4
          Quote: dog breeder
          What to write then? I have already written. And you wrote, but about other Jews, about Russian.
          And yet, be correct, I didn’t write in the same pot.

          favorite move of anti-Semite. Each of them had a Jewish friend.
          But I consider rudeness the scoring of the thesis and the refusal to confirm it with facts. So what is the particularly sinister role of the "English Jews" You would like to mention? In addition to empty words You have something to say?
        2. alexsipin
          alexsipin 24 March 2018 12: 29
          +2
          Quote: dog breeder
          I already wrote

          Will there be evidence? Or as always?
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 25 March 2018 01: 23
          +1
          Quote: dog breeder
          recently, one such boasted that the Jewish people had given Jesus the world.

          Surprisingly, this comes out as an achievement, silent on the fact why Jesus came specifically to the Jews.
      2. Maverick78
        Maverick78 24 March 2018 10: 28
        +5
        Aaron, he meant the Jews. In terms of money bags, which really often financed various wars, including against my country. And the Jews really are not inferior to the Russians in either courage or self-sacrifice
        1. dog breeder
          dog breeder 24 March 2018 10: 54
          +6
          Maverick78 (Sergey)
          Aaron, he meant the Jews.

          Sorry, that’s all from this! Jews are Jews, Ukrainians - ho) (ly, Russians - katsapy and Vatniki. And then we scratch our turnips, what did my neighbor shit at my door? ..
          1. Grandfather Talash
            Grandfather Talash 24 March 2018 11: 09
            +7
            In the modern world, everything is mixed up.) And Ukrainian oligarchs of Jewish origin sponsor Ukrainian nationalists whose idols are the “heroes” of the Babi Yar. Parodox? )
            1. Maverick1812
              Maverick1812 28 March 2018 13: 30
              0
              Not a paradox at all! Just imagine for a moment that there are two nations; those who are called Jews and those who are called Jews! Assessing the role of the current Ukrainian oligarchs and Rothschildorockefellers from the time of the Great Patriotic War, you understand that Jews earned money (yu) in the war, and that Jews burned stoves in Maidanek and Babi Yar filled ....
        2. karish
          karish 24 March 2018 11: 01
          +12
          Quote: Maverick78
          Aaron, he meant the Jews who often quite often financed various wars, including against my country


          A son:
          - Dad, tell me if it’s a kindness, who are these Jews, and who, who are they
          Russians, but hto Muscovites, hto such Ukrainians, and hto such Ukrainians?
          - Father, ceasing to cut slices of bacon, looked at his son and said:
          - Jews, son, live in Israel. This is a heroic people for 60 years
          fights against Muslim aggressors, builds its own state,
          It has the best army and beautiful damsels.
          Well, you son, they live in Ukraine. Drink our vodka, sleep with ours
          by the sorcerers, they buy our houses and try to build an independent Ukraine.

          - Russians, son, live in Russia - a huge country. Oil and
          gas, sell timber, build and cherish their statehood.
          And Muscovites, my son, these are the bastards, they live in Ukraine, they eat, they’re scum,
          our fat, they drink our vodka, seduce our girls and try
          to build an independent Ukraine.

          - Well, Ukrainians, my son, live in Ukraine, drink our vodka, eat ours
          fat, sleeping with our sabbaths and trying to build an independent Ukraine.
          And Ukrainians, son, live HERE at CANADA, and we eat Ukrainian fat, drink
          real, our, native vodka, we work tirelessly and look,
          as if these oaths of Ukrainians prevent Jews and Muscovites from building an independent Ukraine ..
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 24 March 2018 11: 29
            +3
            karish (Alexander)
            Go to Odessa - they will popularly explain the difference between Jews, Malanians and Jews ...
            wassat
            1. sib.ataman
              sib.ataman 24 March 2018 11: 49
              +1
              If possible, then popularly without leaving the cash register, without leaving the address.
      3. sib.ataman
        sib.ataman 24 March 2018 12: 13
        +7
        Aaron! Your grievances resemble a kindergarten! No one disputes the heroism and sacrifice of those Jews who lived and fought for Russia, considering it their homeland! But how many business their brothers in the 90s heaped up in the Russian Federation (Gusinsky, Berezovsky and Co.), today in hohololdy (I will not list by name), and, finally, these “dances and dances” in BV? Agree that all this inevitably causes double feelings!
        1. karish
          karish 24 March 2018 12: 19
          +2
          Quote: sib.ataman
          Well, and finally, these "dances and dances" in BV? Agree that all this inevitably causes double feelings!

          really twofold.
          We live here, but what do you need here?
          1. sib.ataman
            sib.ataman 24 March 2018 12: 48
            +3
            And our friends live here! And what, you can’t be friends?
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 24 March 2018 15: 44
            +1
            Well, in the article for Skripal he "stood by his chest" for fake news and fake politician (Teresa and Borka). What do you need with BV here?
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 26 March 2018 00: 24
            +1
            Quote: karish
            We live here, but what do you need here?

            He said, hiding in the pockets of his passport ... wassat
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 24 March 2018 13: 13
        +5
        Aron ,, One hatred of the Jews, this is where you pierce your head? Well, hatred is impossible here, not for Jews, not for Ukrainians. If it were, there would be no Russia. But to the Jews and Bandera, there is hatred.
        1. Alber
          Alber 24 March 2018 16: 34
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          Aron ,, One hatred of the Jews, this is where you pierce your head? Well, hatred is impossible here, not for Jews, not for Ukrainians. If it were, there would be no Russia. But to the Jews and Bandera, there is hatred.

          Correctly! I agree...
      5. Alber
        Alber 24 March 2018 16: 33
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        A war correspondent of the time wrote: "I did a significant part of the campaign in the Balkans with the Skobelev detachment, and I never heard that the Jewish soldiers were inferior to the Russian soldiers in anything." At a fort near Shipka, a shell fell at the feet of the artilleryman Leibush Faygenbaum, but before it had time to burst, Faygenbaum, without being at a loss, threw it into a nearby moat and saved the gun and soldier. For this he received the St. George Cross, was marked by a special order in the army, and much was written about him in the newspapers. In the same war, Leybush Feigenbaum received two more George and died from a wound.


        These are good Jews.
        Those who have benefited our country, fought for Russia are good. May God grant them health! Honors them and respect ...
        And those who harmed since 1917 and continue to harm our multinational Russian people (let their eyes go up to the seventh generation) must be judged and sent to logging sites and mines
      6. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 25 March 2018 12: 14
        0
        Aaron Zawi
        That you are crucifying - it’s clear that this is just trolling ...
      7. but still
        but still 25 March 2018 12: 55
        +4
        Aron Zaavi (Aron), Respect to the Jews who fought in the Russian Army of Alexander II for the freedom of Bulgaria!
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 26 March 2018 00: 46
          +1
          They started with the Poles, but ended up with the Jews anyway))))
  3. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 24 March 2018 06: 08
    +7
    "That's how the Poles fought for the" liberation "of Bulgaria"

    That's how it is, it is obvious to us, but unbelievable to the Bulgarians, but generally I am silent about the Poles. Unfortunately, history has been written by them for themselves and is constantly polished in the direction that is necessary and convenient for them.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 March 2018 06: 26
      +1
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      "....... History, unfortunately, they have written for themselves and are constantly polished in the direction that is necessary and convenient for them.
      Just like in the song: "Blinded from what was., And when I blinded, I fell in love"
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 24 March 2018 11: 34
        +4
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Just like in the song: "Blinded from what was., And when I blinded, I fell in love"

        Nevertheless - the author is a big plus!
        He explained popularly, so to speak, WHO and HOW fought for a single and indivisible Bulgaria ... lol
        Given the degradation of the heads of government and the other establishment of the "enlightened West", recruited by the famous maydanuto slogan "Hto nE skEt - that mos ... b", hardly anyone from the environment of the "guarantor chosen by the Bulgarian people" could at least have guessed about a similar plot "For your and our freedom!"
        wassat
    2. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 24 March 2018 11: 45
      0
      They learned this skill from faithful Jews! Though they won't even see it in words, but in reality they imitate everything! Good students.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 24 March 2018 06: 15
    +9
    Now, many former socialist countries, for the sake of foreign interests, have abandoned their past and rushed to rewrite history in large numbers. God grant that we, our country, should never again by force of arms help these under-states, for there is too much honor for them to have a Russian die for the freedom of those who spit in your back.
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 24 March 2018 11: 40
      +2
      But you have to, and more than once!
  5. andrewkor
    andrewkor 24 March 2018 06: 23
    +12
    Thanks to the author that he pulled out these Polish skeletons from the Bulgarian cabinet. Even the inveterate Russophobes called them "European hyenas." The same thing happens with the ruins, examples are known to everyone: WWII, Chechnya, Georgia, Donbass!
  6. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 24 March 2018 06: 34
    +5
    New times, new rules!
    Soon, the Canadians of the French and the Baltic States will be mentioned as liberators!
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    1. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 25 March 2018 12: 18
      0
      Operator
      All the same, we must separate the nations and the government - what would we look like if there was some kind of Chubais president ...
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 25 March 2018 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: Ehanatone
        It is nevertheless necessary to separate nations and government

        Why on earth should the nation and government be separated? And you try to separate your head from your body - you will immediately understand the degree of your error.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 March 2018 08: 23
    +3
    Quote: dog breeder
    The author of the article did not note the role of English Jews in this conflict. Somehow, it was historically led that all the capital acquired by these Jews was generously watered with blood, often from both sides of the conflict!

    For the purpose of the remark: who fought and who Mani mani made and grieved that the war was over
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 March 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Dear author, it was news to me that the Poles willingly accepted Islam, are they so inveterate Catholics? Perhaps all of these "Turks": Langibey, Teffik Bey, Sefir Bey and others remained Catholics, but took Turkish names in order not to stand out among the Turks
  10. 1536
    1536 24 March 2018 10: 19
    +4
    In Russia, one must honor the memory of their soldiers who liberated other nations from slavery, and not drag around abroad to repent and bow before obscurantists, terrorists, bandits and poisoners. Pride should be love for the motherland, the people, and not the golden calf and dollar bills.
  11. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 24 March 2018 11: 36
    0
    Very instructive stuff!
  12. Terenin
    Terenin 24 March 2018 11: 59
    +10
    He studied at the school in the 70s and we generally did not attach any importance to nationality, and beat our muzzle for actions, even to a Russian, even to a Tatar, even to a Jew. I agree with that cartoon about a boa constrictor, a parrot and a monkey, the conclusion is correct in it - "the main thing is not who you are, but what you are!"
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 24 March 2018 12: 49
      0
      Quote: Terenin
      the face was beaten for deeds, even to a Russian, even to a Tatar, even to a Jew.

      The main thing is that in the face.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 24 March 2018 15: 02
      +1
      This is another cartoon. About piggy Chunyu.
  13. iouris
    iouris 24 March 2018 13: 03
    +3
    Nationality is a sign, although important, but not defining the values ​​that the individual shares. The essence of the conflict is that Bulgaria is a member of the EU, therefore, the ruling circles are correcting the historical memory of the people, both their own and the "people of the EU." For this, of course, the memory of the peoples of the USSR needs to be adjusted.
  14. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 24 March 2018 15: 04
    +2
    The Turks, in fact, forgot to indicate among the liberators. For a complete set.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 March 2018 21: 23
      +1
      And why should you tell us whom to call?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 25 March 2018 21: 39
        +1
        Quote: Mac Simka
        And why should you tell us whom to call?

        Ooh, as we sang, however, they tell you from Fashington who to call and you blather and just answer - hail.
        1. pytar
          pytar 26 March 2018 00: 16
          0
          Ooh, as we sang, however, they tell you from Fashington who to call and you blather and just answer - hail.

          Setrac, it is from your singing here Fashington will be pleased! In fact, your mantras work for Uncle Sema! Probably a significant part of the members of the forum under the Russian flags are "I am a Crimean, daughter of an officer"! wink
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 26 March 2018 21: 12
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            Setrac, it is from your singing here that Fashington will be pleased! In fact, your mantras work for Uncle Sema!

            That is, it is our fault that you have crossed over to the side of the enemy? Uncle Sam was pleased when you all joined NATO, it is now too late to pretend to be our friends.
            Quote: pytar
            Averno a significant part of the members of the forum standing under the Russian flags are the essence of "I am a Crimean, daughter of an officer!"

            It is strange to hear such statements from you, they are appropriate against you - the “former”, who assure us that they say “it’s not all clear”, the “Crimean officer’s daughter” will tell us now which Bulgarians are our “brothers forever”.
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 March 2018 15: 54
    +1
    This “brother” has a bad memory, as well as many other former allies of the Warsaw Treaty. Forever WE release someone, and then to us in the back, the liberated spit! It's a shame. God save in our souls the memory of grandfathers and great-grandfathers and other ancestors of Russia who did not regret their stomachs!
  16. ogpe
    ogpe 24 March 2018 17: 08
    +5
    Comments are petty.
    Russia is an empire. The Russian army is at war.
    She has her own imperial interests: South Seas, Straits, Constantinople, Third Rome.
    It makes no sense to fight for some small people, to lose resources.
    The liberation of Bulgaria is only a side effect.
    For us it is priceless.
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      1. Gado
        Gado 24 March 2018 19: 41
        +3
        It’s clear that you still haven’t changed the manuals, it’s clear that you are an ardent opponent of the Bulgarians and your new friends are Turks. And so you deserve only my contempt and my compatriots. And I strongly suspect that you are not Russian and your ancestors of other blood. And if at all, would you go ...
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 25 March 2018 00: 29
          +1
          Quote: Gado
          . And so you deserve only my contempt and my compatriots.

          Yes, no despair deserves only you, who are trying to present the war with the Turks only as a personal benefit of Russia, and the liberation of the Bulgarians as a side effect.
          Quote: Gado
          And I strongly suspect that you are not Russian and your ancestors of other blood. And if at all, would you go ...

          I don’t suspect you of anything, I just know that you betrayed Russia and the Russians. He fought against them in WWI and helped the destruction of RI, was on the side of Hitler. They sold their brothers for Macedonia and, as it should be, instead they received only shame and contempt.
          1. but still
            but still 25 March 2018 12: 49
            +1
            Fellow believer, I wanted to quote your words, but the admin deleted them, so you have to remind you of what you said. The fact that supposedly RI received nothing from this war, that it was not profitable to fight, etc. etc. So, in addition to Bessarabia (for which the fighting Romania also claimed, for which RI gave it the Bulgarian Northern Dobrudja), regions in the Caucasus, RI restored the most important - The right to have your own navy in the Black Sea. Following the results of the Crimean War, in accordance with the Paris Treaty, signed in March 1856, the Black Sea was declared “neutral”, and Russia lost the right to have a navy, as well as naval bases and fortresses on its coast. So RI really, really needed to take revenge after the failure in the Crimean War.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 25 March 2018 14: 17
              +1
              Quote: but still
              Fellow believer, I wanted to quote your words, but the admin deleted them, so you have to remind you of what you said.

              So I wonder why deleted.
              Quote: but still
              The fact that supposedly RI received nothing from this war, that it was not profitable to fight, etc. etc.

              Geopolitically, they didn’t get anything, since there were no resources to protect what they wanted. See the Span-Stefan agreement (this is what they really wanted) and what was left of it in the end. For such resources to appear, another 15–20 years of peace and development were needed. The tsar knew about this, those officials who were engaged in finance and the army knew.
              Instead of a single pan-Slavic-Orthodox union, the Republic of Ingushetia received a squabble for Macedonia. the betrayal and destruction of all the Balkan politics that she spent 100 years.

              Quote: but still
              So besides Bessarabia (for which the fighting Romania also claimed, for which RI gave it the Bulgarian Northern Dobrudja)

              You're lying. The Republic of Ingushetia lost southern Bessarabia after the Crimean War and would return these lands in ANY case, if not by force it would simply be bought back. NORTH Dobrudja was never Bulgaria, since there was no such country. Romania received it for helping to liberate YOU BULGARA (although I do not remember the good, as I understand your national) and provided the Russian army with a rear base from where we received grubs, horses, carts, etc. Romania needed access to the sea and she received it for help.
              Quote: but still
              areas in the Caucasus,

              This is generally irrelevant, the Caucasian front was always secondary and could not have been the cause of the war.
              Quote: but still
              RI has restored the most important - the RIGHT to have its own navy in the Black Sea. Following the results of the Crimean War, in accordance with the Paris Treaty, signed in March 1856, the Black Sea was declared “neutral”, and Russia lost the right to have a navy, as well as naval bases and fortresses on its coast.

              Teach history wassat Russia refused to comply with the pro-fleet clause and restored the fleet after the Franco-Prussian War of 1871.
              Quote: but still
              So RI really, really needed to take revenge after the failure in the Crimean War.

              The Russian Empire needed the world another 15-20 years, just as the army reform was not completed, the economy was just beginning to grow. Only the demand of Russian society to free the Slavs from the Turks forced RI to declare war on Turkey.
              1. pytar
                pytar 26 March 2018 11: 09
                0
                NORTH Dobrudja was never Bulgaria, since there was no such country. Romania received it for helping to free YOU BULGAR

                And who said that Northern Dobrudja is a country? This is the area south of the Danube! And this is the first piece of Bulgarian land on the Balkans! In 681, Asparuh settled there. The battle with the Byzantines, which recognized Bulgaria as an independent state, took place in the very north of Dobrudja! 13 centuries Dubruja is a land inhabited mainly with Bulgarians! Dobrogea has never been Romanian! In 1870, Sultan Abdul Azis holds a plebiscid among the Christian population of the empire. The subject of the referendum was to determine the territorial girth then created by the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchy! All Dobrudja voted for their belonging to the Bulgarian people and exarchy! The Danube served as an esthetic border between the Bulgarians and the Vlachs. By the way, all of today's Romania was 2 century in the composition of the first Bulgarian Kingdom! In 1878, the Romanian king Carol 1 was extremely reluctant to accept northern Dobrudja as a part of Romania. In his appeal to the Bulgarian population there, he essentially apologizes to the Bulgarians! Romania was afraid that the acquisition of this Bulgarian region promises future conflicts with Bulgaria. In the history before 1913, Romania / Vlachia and Bulgaria never fought among themselves! The occupation by Romania of southern Dobrogea in 1913 was the reason for the conflicts between the two countries!
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 26 March 2018 14: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: pytar
                  And who said that Northern Dobrudja is a country? This is the area south of the Danube!

                  I wrote about Bulgaria. There was no such country in the 15,16,17,18,19 century and it is simply ridiculous to call Dobrudja your territory.
                  Quote: pytar
                  And this is the first piece of Bulgarian land on the Balkans! In 681, Asparuh settled there. The battle with the Byzantines, which recognized Bulgaria as an independent state, took place in the very north of Dobrudja! 13 centuries Dubruja is a land inhabited mainly with Bulgarians! Dobrogea has never been Romanian!

                  Haa .... CITIZEN IN 681 There were NO Bulgarians in nature, but there were various Slavic tribes. The peoples began to form no earlier than the 13th century. Dobrudja in the mid-19th century was inhabited by many people and Turks as well. Yes, this is not Romanian land, but not Bulgarian. Romania needed access to the sea and she got it. Southern Dobrogea almost completely departed to Bulgaria and only a small part with the city of Constanta went to the Romanians.
                  Do you even know how to be thankful or not? Romania has greatly helped to free you from the yoke, and you have squeezed an outlet to the sea which, moreover, did not belong to you.


                  Quote: pytar
                  The subject of the referendum was to determine the territorial girth then created by the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchy! All Dobrudja voted for their belonging to the Bulgarian people and exarchy!

                  Do you understand what you wrote? Belonging to the Bulgarian Exarchy does not make a person a Bulgarian. There, in general, the situation was different; there people were against the Greeks, and were not for the Bulgarians. And indeed there is no plebiscid where every resident expressed his will, of course, was not.
                  Quote: pytar
                  In 1878, the Romanian king Carol 1 was extremely reluctant to accept northern Dobrudja as a part of Romania. In his appeal to the Bulgarian population there, he essentially apologizes to the Bulgarians! Romania was afraid that the acquisition of this Bulgarian region promises future conflicts with Bulgaria.

                  Are you tired of writing this nonsense? Romania needed access to the sea, and the only place is Constanta. They generally wanted the whole Dobroduzh, but the Russians gave them only a small part. You at least look at the map.
                  Quote: pytar
                  In the history before 1913, Romania / Vlachia and Bulgaria never fought among themselves! The occupation by Romania of southern Dobrudja in 1913 was the reason for the conflicts between the two countries!

                  Well, at the end you yourself wrote the truth SOUTH BIRTHDAY Romania occupied only in 1913, and before that it was part of Bulgaria. Why did you quarrel with all your neighbors is a question for you, not the neighbors.
                  1. Mac Simka
                    Mac Simka 26 March 2018 18: 17
                    +2
                    If you have one, then the other takes the territory where the Bulgarian population lives, it’s hard not to quarrel.
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 26 March 2018 18: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: Mac Simka
                      If you have one, then the other takes the territory where the Bulgarian population lives, it’s hard not to quarrel.

                      Who took away from you and what? The Bulgarian state appeared in 1878 and the southern Dobroduzh was given to him.
                      You have to say thanks to the Romanians, and not try to cut them off from the sea by taking Constanta where a rare Bulgarian population lived then.
    2. iouris
      iouris 24 March 2018 19: 01
      +3
      Bulgaria for a short time became independent thanks to Russia. Remembering the role of Russia has become dangerous or unprofitable. The modern generation of citizens of the Russian Federation did not liberate Bulgaria and is not going to conquer it. At the same time, Bulgaria has become an integral part of the Anti-Russia. This Counter-Russia really needs cheap gas, preferably at the expense of the population of the Russian Federation. In other words, the population of the Russian Federation should be under the oppression of the EU and Bulgaria should make a small contribution to this matter. No questions.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 25 March 2018 01: 40
      +2
      Quote: ogpe
      She has her own imperial interests: South Seas, Straits, Constantinople, Third Rome.
      It makes no sense to fight for some small people, to lose resources.

      It is not true. Yes, the Russian Empire had its own interests, but the liberation of the "fraternal" Bulgarian and Serbian people was not part of them.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 March 2018 02: 00
        +2
        Quote: ogpe
        The liberation of Bulgaria is only a side effect.
        For us it is priceless.

        Quote: Setrac
        Yes, the Russian Empire had its own interests, but the liberation of the "fraternal" Bulgarian and Serbian people was not part of them.

        You at least studied the essence of the issue before writing this
        At the end of June 1876, Serbia declared war on Turkey. The successful struggle of 13-14 thousand Bosnian-Herzegovinian rebels against the 35 thousandth Turkish army gave hope for a successful outcome of the Serbo-Turkish war. In order to be ready to meet any outcome of this war and not be drawn into it, The Russian government decided to agree in advance with Austria-Hungary on all possible cases.

        On this basis, the Reichstadt Agreement was born, concluded on July 8, 1876 between Alexander II and the Russian Chancellor Gorchakov, on the one hand, Franz Joseph and Andrássy, on the other.

        The first option, designed to defeat Serbia, provided only for the implementation of reforms in Bosnia and Herzegovina, outlined by a note by Andrássy. Second option designed for the victory of Serbia, provided for an increase in the territory of Serbia and Montenegro and some annexations for Austria-Hungary at the expense of Bosnia and Herzegovina; According to this option, Russia received Batumi; it returned the part of Bessarabia that was torn away after the Crimean War. Third option agreementdesigned for the complete collapse of Turkey and its crowding out of Europe, foreseenl, except for measures in the second option, also the creation of an autonomous or independent Bulgariaand, some strengthening of Greece and, presumably, the declaration of Constantinople as a free city.

        The creation of Bulgaria is not a "side effect", but a deliberate action, with the task of weakening Turkey and creating another state friendly to Russia in the Balkans.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 25 March 2018 10: 52
          +2
          Honor about respect to you. Ever since the times of Peter the Great, there has been a progress of RI in the southwest to the Straits.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 25 March 2018 12: 27
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          The creation of Bulgaria is not a "side effect", but a deliberate action, with the task of weakening Turkey and creating another state friendly to Russia in the Balkans.

          I understand - you're kidding. You jokingly called Bulgaria - a friendly state!
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 25 March 2018 21: 31
            +2
            Or can you name at least one state that has ALWAYS been friendly to Russia?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 25 March 2018 21: 35
              +1
              Quote: Mac Simka
              Or can you name at least one state that ALWAYS was friendly to Russia?

              Mongolia for example, there are examples, do not hesitate. Not everyone in the world accepted the Anglo-Saxon system of lies and deceit.
              1. pytar
                pytar 26 March 2018 00: 19
                +1
                Yeah ... A centuries-old friendship, since the Middle Ages! Genghis Khan was especially friendly with the Russians! wink
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 26 March 2018 21: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  Yeah ... A centuries-old friendship, since the Middle Ages! Genghis Khan was especially friendly with the Russians!

                  Well, of course, I had no doubt that you would say that, you are so predictable. The Golden Horde attacked Russia, it is a pity only in the Mongolian language there is no such word - the horde. And you are absolutely not confused by the fact that this same Horde fought against the Poles and other Eastern Europeans and planted ... Orthodoxy in Russia.
                  Do you know that the inhabitants of the Dnieper called the inhabitants of the upper Volga - the Zalesskaya Horde?
            2. co-creator
              co-creator 26 March 2018 14: 53
              +1
              Quote: Mac Simka
              Or can you name at least one state that has ALWAYS been friendly to Russia?

              Serbia, Belarus, Cuba, Vietnam is so offhand.
              What country was ALWAYS friendly to France, Germany, the USA? laughing For example, Britain has only two such Australia and New Zealand.
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 26 March 2018 18: 13
                +2
                Serbia? Don’t tell my slippers. At the end of the 19th, it entered the orbit of AB and friendly RI cannot be recognized from the word in any way.
                Belarus - and maybe, in addition to Father’s statement that the net will intercept NATO missiles, present acts of its “alliance”? For example, the recognition of the Russian Crimea. After all, you live in the Union State.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 26 March 2018 18: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: Mac Simka
                  Serbia? Don’t tell my slippers. At the end of the 19th, it entered the orbit of AB and friendly RI cannot be recognized from the word in any way.

                  Truth? It went into orbit and probably fought on the side of AB against Russia. Oh, sorry, this is the same "brother" the Bulgarians betraying their liberators did so.
                  Quote: Mac Simka
                  Belarus - and maybe, in addition to Father’s statement that the net will intercept NATO missiles, present acts of its “alliance”?

                  NATO missiles will fly not over the territory of Belarus, but for airplanes there is a joint air defense and treaties.
                  CSTO Treaty. Our radar station for finding which we do not pay a single penny, exercises, etc.
                  Quote: Mac Simka
                  For example, the recognition of the Russian Crimea. After all, you live in the Union State.

                  Moscow does not require Belarus to recognize Crimea.
        3. co-creator
          co-creator 25 March 2018 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          The creation of Bulgaria is not a "side effect", but a deliberate action, with the task of weakening Turkey and creating another state friendly to Russia in the Balkans.

          Well, how did you create it? What position did AB take at the end of the war and at the conclusion of peace? All these treaties were filkin deed and both parties understood this. The fact that AB can be trusted was understood during the Crimean War. RI did not have a resource at that time to fight for Greater Bulgaria and the war occurred only because society demanded that the genocide be stopped.
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  18. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 24 March 2018 20: 00
    +2
    The role of the Poles in the Turkish army has long been known and is the Secret of the Open. And what about the doctors of the Russian army who died during the war? Or the Poles in the Russian army - all of them cease to be Poles?
    Tired of clarifying obvious things.
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 25 March 2018 14: 26
      0
      Where are the Ossetians mentioned? Do not respect, not worthy?
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 25 March 2018 21: 31
        +2
        Do not mention? We will correct next year.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 26 March 2018 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: Mac Simka
          Do not mention? We will correct next year.

          I doubt very much that Ossetians in Russia live therefore unworthy. Not like the Finns, the Europeans.
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 26 March 2018 18: 11
            +2
            And Russians, too, do not live in Russia, no? Then why did they mention them?
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 26 March 2018 18: 40
              +1
              Quote: Mac Simka
              And Russians, too, do not live in Russia, no? Then why did they mention them?

              In ten years it will be so.
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      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 25 March 2018 10: 50
        +3
        No need to breed hysteria. You can also ask a lot of things from non-Jews. Do not go too far.
    2. but still
      but still 25 March 2018 12: 35
      +1
      Pepper, stop talking nonsense. You are not a Bulgarian.
  20. Catfish
    Catfish 25 March 2018 14: 30
    0
    Quote: Bell Pepper
    The most terrible is not Turkish and Polish Bashibozuk but JEWISH.

    Read about Suleiman (Suleiman) Pasha. aka SOLOMON Pasha.
    how they pregnant pregnant women cut their belly alive and their children removed and put their rifles on a box. This is a bloody sacrifice that is still being done in America.
    Jews have always killed Orthodox people. And in Soviet times, Russian Old Believers were killed.
    Of all the SOVNARCOM members, only ONE is not a Jew.
    Accident ??? think for yourself .......


    I don’t know about babies strung on bayonets, but with regard to the Council of People's Commissars, everything is absolutely true: there were practically no Russians there. I want to remind you of the words of the President of the Russian Federation Putin in response to the reproaches from a certain journalist that de Russia did not mark “as needed” the “Holocaust” day. In response, Putin asked if he could remind the "respected; correspondent of the" holocaust "of the RUSSIAN people in 1917?
    Silence was his answer. I am not anti-Semite, but history must be remembered. hi
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 March 2018 17: 15
      0
      Quote: Sea Cat


      I don’t know about babies strung on bayonets, but with regard to the Council of People's Commissars, everything is absolutely true: there were practically no Russians there. I want to remind you of the words of the President of the Russian Federation Putin in response to the reproaches from a certain journalist that de Russia did not mark “as needed” the “Holocaust” day. In response, Putin asked if he could remind the "respected; correspondent of the" holocaust "of the RUSSIAN people in 1917?
      Silence was his answer. I am not anti-Semite, but history must be remembered. hi

      There was only one Trotsky Jew in the Council of People's Commissars. In order to find out, you just need to type a request on the Internet.
  21. doka
    doka 25 March 2018 21: 36
    +1
    To be completely objective, that the Bulgarians, the Poles and many other border peoples with the Russian Empire behaved both ours and yours where it’s more profitable, so when it came to disassembling them and crushing large states, the Bulgarians were reminded how the Serbs were squeezed out of their land , yes, the Poles were always banned by the females as fucking gods, take the outskirts of Ukrainians there either with the Swedes or with the Poles against it, Of the Slovenes who really respect Russians, so these Serbs, despite the kidding in 90g, by the way, Moldovans remember the support of the Moscow tsars in a ridiculous way Volakhia is not a small territory with the Turks, and that’s all, but Russia doesn’t provide any real political assistance to them, it can, but somehow it’s not noticeable,
  22. Catfish
    Catfish 25 March 2018 22: 58
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Sea Cat


    I don’t know about babies strung on bayonets, but with regard to the Council of People's Commissars, everything is absolutely true: there were practically no Russians there. I want to remind you of the words of the President of the Russian Federation Putin in response to the reproaches from a certain journalist that de Russia did not mark “as needed” the “Holocaust” day. In response, Putin asked if he could remind the "respected; correspondent of the" holocaust "of the RUSSIAN people in 1917?
    Silence was his answer. I am not anti-Semite, but history must be remembered. hi

    There was only one Trotsky Jew in the Council of People's Commissars. In order to find out, you just need to type a request on the Internet.


    Actually, he is not Trotsky, but Leibo Bronstein. And all the Sverdlovs, Zinovievs, Kamenevs — they all “drove” the party, just like their godfather, nicknamed Lenin. Which, by the way, on the maternal side also has enough Jewish blood.
    And on the Internet, anyone can find anything. Up to the point that Admiral Sushon also converted to Islam. hi
  23. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 25 March 2018 23: 56
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat


    Actually, he is not Trotsky, but Leibo Bronstein. And all the Sverdlovs, Zinovievs, Kamenevs — they all “drove” the party, just like their godfather, nicknamed Lenin. Which, by the way, on the maternal side also has enough Jewish blood.
    hi

    they never entered the Council of People's Commissars.
  24. Paganel
    Paganel 26 March 2018 05: 54
    0
    Let not the topic, but still add. The 3rd Finnish Life-Guards Rifle Battalion did take part in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78, but as one of the units of the RIA. I also recall that this battalion received the St. George flag for success in pacifying the Polish uprising of 1830-31, participated in the Paskevich corps in pacifying Hungary and Transylvania 1849-1850. This is to the question of who did what and what became famous in 19 at.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 March 2018 09: 11
      +1
      During the siege of Plevna, near the village of Dolny Dubnik, some of the most bloody battles with the Turks are fought. They involved about 1000 Finnish soldiers from the Finnish Life Guards Regiment, including the 2 Finnish sniper battalion. The battle is fierce and the losses among the Finnish and Russian terrible. The commander of the LFP, Major General Vasily Nikolayevich Lavrov, is also dying. In this area, grateful Bulgarian people built 17 monuments! There are Finnish, there are Russians, there are mixed graves where the bones of soldiers of both nations lie. This is a place of worship, where the Finnish ambassador, by the way, wreaths of flowers are put together with the Russian. In Finland itself in Helsinki there is also a monument! Finns are proud to have participated in the liberation of Bulgaria!

      The Ambassador of Finland, puts wreaths in front of the monument to Finnish soldiers.

      Gene. Russian cons cons puts flowers in front of the same monument.

      Monument in Helsinki - Celebrations in Finland for RTOV.

      Another of the monuments in Dolni Dabnik.

      Memorial in Dolni Dabnik.
      Now the relations between the Russian Federation and Finland, and especially with Polsha, are not the best. But the Russo-Turkish war in 1877-1878 was the heroic and noble cause in which the Russians, Poles, Finns and many others shed their blood together against a common enemy! Recollections of this war should be an occasion for unity and unity!
      1. Paganel
        Paganel 26 March 2018 11: 34
        0
        Nobody in Russia was going to belittle the role of various nationalities in the participation of the liberation of Bulgaria. I just want to remind you that in Bulgaria, not volunteer Finnish units fought with the Turks, but units of the regular Russian army.
        1. pytar
          pytar 26 March 2018 13: 05
          0
          And in your opinion it was impossible to mention anyone but the Russians? You yourself say - “the Russian army”! The peoples mentioned by the President have their own national states, whose inhabitants are the heirs of their ancestors! I will give an example: There are several brothers in the family! The eldest themselves lead and lead them. They did good to me! Then they parted and even quarreled among themselves! Am I supposed to thank anyone now? Only the elder or everyone?
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 06
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            And in your opinion it was impossible to mention anyone but the Russians?

            If you have already decided to mention representatives of all peoples, then call all and not just those who are in the EU today. For example, Ossetians were much more famous in this war. but silent about them.
            Quote: pytar
            Let me give you an example: There are several brothers in the family! The eldest themselves lead and lead them. They did good to me! Then they parted and even quarreled among themselves! Am I supposed to thank anyone now? Only the elder or everyone?

            You should thank everyone then, not those you like. You did it. that those younger brothers who live with the elder are not worthy of special thanks, and those who quarreled with the elder are worthy. Can just thank everyone together without giving a separate name?
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 26 March 2018 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        But the Russo-Turkish war in 1877-1878 was the heroic and noble cause in which the Russians, Poles, Finns and many others shed their blood together against a common enemy! Recollections of this war should be an occasion for unity and unity!

        No Finns and Poles asked if they wanted to shed blood for the Bulgarians or not. they served in the Russian army and they had no choice. But those Poles who had the choice to fight for the Bulgarians or against chose the side of Turkey. You need to know this and most importantly understand when you put Russia and Poland, the Russian and the Poles on one side.
        1. but still
          but still 27 March 2018 01: 21
          +1
          Quotation: blooded man
          [No one asked the Finns and Poles whether they want to shed blood for the Bulgarians or not. they served in the Russian army and they had no choice. But those Poles who had the choice to fight for the Bulgarians or against chose the side of Turkey. You need to know this and most importantly understand when you put Russia and Poland, the Russian and the Poles on one side.


          It is not.
          [/ quote] Kogato Emperor Alexander II announcing war on the cross of Ottoman Empire on 12 (April 24, New Style) 1877, Finland beat Sys Statute of Great Principality on Ruskat Empire. From 1812, the Principality was supported by autonomous troops, and in one of its combat capacities it beat the Third Finnish Rifleman and Battalion. Toy beat frequently from the Russian Empire of the imperial army, and the hiladi finlandzi served for some time. Especially versatile they were beaten in the Leibvgrédeys Finnish Regiment, the Pres was formed in 1807, originally under the name of the Imperial Imperial Police Battalion.

          With the inclusion of the Russo-Turskat war, the Third Third Finnish Rifleman battalion nabroyava 953 souls, 205 from koito - volunteers. All the same go to the battalion from the right to beat the princedom of Finland in Velikoto. Until November 1877, Toy beat under the command of the Baron Georg Ramsay. [quote]

          http://evropaworld.eu/finlandskoto-uchastie-v-rus
          ko-turskata-osvoboditelna-vojna /
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 27 March 2018 07: 32
            0
            Quote: but still
            It is not.

            So.
            Quote: but still
            http://evropaworld.eu/finlandskoto-uchastie-v-rus
            ko-turskata-osvoboditelna-vojna /

            Firstly, I wrote about the Poles, not the Finns.
            Secondly, Finland was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, although it was autonomy. The Finns were not forced into the army, but any Finnish could voluntarily go to serve in the Russian army. So serving in the guard was not only prestigious, but most importantly, a career could be made there. So I disappoint you, the Finns voluntarily served in this regiment LATER for the Russian-Turkish war. There was no separate appeal, since the Russian army is not a militia where volunteers were recruited for the war. and then let go home.
            So dear, you simply distort reality and come up with non-existent volunteers.
  25. oracul
    oracul 26 March 2018 07: 20
    +1
    I think it makes no sense to worry too much about ex-brother-friends. The process of educating just a person is long and complicated. In addition, the result is not guaranteed. And in the case of interstate relations, everything is much more complicated. You just need to learn and learn from history. Russia should not be too simple-minded and gullible to all kinds of petitioners. Remember the arrival of Tsipras from Greece for help. Russia (consider Putin) showed restraint and did not help with finances. At first, I was worried - how could this not help people who are well disposed towards Russia. Then he agreed, and time showed our full rightness. It hurt a lot freeloaders in the world. People say: you won’t be forcibly sweet. That's it. Of course, first of all, they betray power, the elite. But the people are choosing them. And this is repeated from time to time. It looks like the people of Bulgaria made their choice. It is clear that there are those and there are many of them who are kind to Russia, but most of them vote for life in Europe. That's nice, let's not interfere. To trade on mutually beneficial conditions, to go on vacation to you - please, but we will no longer buy your "friendship", and even more so shed blood for your interests.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 March 2018 09: 26
      +1
      Brotherhood can be between people and nations! It is what applies to Russians and Bulgarians! According to all opinion polls 76-82% of the Bulgarians have a positive attitude towards Russia and Russians. These are the Russophilian people in the EU! And politicians and statesmen are ALWAYS guided pragmatically from the interests of their states, such as they understand them! Never a single Russian / Soviet government has been led by sentiment! There is no such thing in politics! It’s impossible to blame the people whose decisions are taken by the authorities! The people choose politicians, but whoever the people choose, politicians / including Russian / will act at their discretion! You speak correctly about interests! Russia never put other people's interests above its own, although it was often mistaken! Examples are enough! Everyone has their own interests and they are always priority! No claim on this occasion can be adequate!
      1. skif02
        26 March 2018 13: 47
        +2
        Just the war for the liberation of Bulgaria is one of the few examples of Russian and world history, when foreign interests were put above their own. This war gave Russia nothing but geopolitical problems, and most importantly, Russia initially knew what it was about. It is ridiculous to be offended by ungrateful little brothers who love Russia, but for some reason constantly betray them. It is important simply without illusions, to honestly assess the situation, and not to be conducted on unsupported conversations about friendship and fraternity.
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 08
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        And politicians and statesmen are ALWAYS guided pragmatically from the interests of their states, such as they understand them!

        What is the interest of Bulgaria at the request of the USA and the EU of blocking the SOUTH FLOW? \
        What is Bulgaria’s interest in joining NATO’s military-political bloc, whose main enemy is the Russian Federation?
  26. Filippov Yuri
    Filippov Yuri 26 March 2018 11: 18
    0
    You are some kind of muddy, Bulgarians.
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 26 March 2018 12: 13
      +1
      Analyze with a spectrometer, for greater objectivity tongue
    2. pytar
      pytar 26 March 2018 13: 06
      0
      Turbidity because of your glasses ... Wipe them! wink
  27. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 March 2018 14: 59
    +1
    Quote: oracul
    To trade on mutually beneficial conditions, to go on vacation to you - please, but we will no longer buy your "friendship", and even more so shed blood for your interests.

    1. Trading should always be on mutually beneficial terms - if only one country has the benefit of a robbery. Others do not need to rob - especially friends. For example, mutually beneficial relations were beaten by the USSR and NRB, because then friends beat. But in the Ottoman Empire (as it is today in the EU) Bulgaria was robbed and oppressed.
    2. Buying friendships is not only not necessary, but it is impossible. Friendship is such a thing that you can’t buy.
    3. There is no need to shed blood for the interests of others. This is done only by the peoples of the colony and dependent countries. So for example, Bulgaria shed blood for the victory of German imperialism three times in the 20th century. And in the Russian-Turkish war, the Russian people fought primarily for their interests, which included the decay and weakening of the Ottoman Empire. This interest coincided with the interest of the Bulgarian people to restore their state. Not only is there nothing wrong with this - on the contrary, it should be so. The best basis of the union of the two states is the coincidence of their interests, as it was in the USSR and the UXB.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 26 March 2018 21: 31
      +1
      Quote: Kostadinov
      And in the Russian-Turkish war, the Russian people fought primarily for their interests, which included the decay and weakening of the Ottoman Empire.

      This is generally such a blatant lie. First of all, the Europeans were interested in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and Europe first of all torn the former territories of the Ottoman Empire into colonies for their beloved ones.
      Quote: Kostadinov
      The best basis of the union of the two states is the coincidence of their interests, as was the case with the USSR and the NRB.

      Yeah, it’s such an interest to sell Soviet energy to the west, something I don’t see interest for the USSR here!
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 30 March 2018 16: 45
        +1
        Was Europe interested? Because of Europe, did Peter build a fleet in Voronezh, and then did the RI troops regularly fight with Turkey?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 30 March 2018 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: Mac Simka
          Because of Europe, did Peter build a fleet in Voronezh, and then regularly the troops of the Republic of Ingushetia fought with Turkey?

          Everyone fought with everyone, this is not proof. Peter the Great fought for the right to trade, and not at all for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The collapse of the empire (any) is needed only by the West.
          Quote: Mac Simka
          Was Europe interested?

          I repeat once again for those who brazenly ignore the facts, the European colonial metropolises torn the territory of the former Ottoman Empire into colonies for their beloved - it was their interest, the Russians had no interest in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
  28. Catfish
    Catfish 27 March 2018 00: 07
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Sea Cat


    Actually, he is not Trotsky, but Leibo Bronstein. And all the Sverdlovs, Zinovievs, Kamenevs — they all “drove” the party, just like their godfather, nicknamed Lenin. Which, by the way, on the maternal side also has enough Jewish blood.
    hi

    they never entered the Council of People's Commissars.


    It is clear that they did not enter. They simply existed on their own. In parallel space. laughing
  29. but still
    but still 27 March 2018 00: 56
    +1
    Quotation: blooded man
    ... it took another 15-20 years of peace and development. The tsar knew about this, those officials who were engaged in finance and the army knew.
    ... The Russian Empire needed the world another 15-20 years, just as the army reform was not completed, the economy was just beginning to grow. Only the demand of Russian society to free the Slavs from the Turks forced RI to declare war on Turkey.


    Well, yes, RI would have been waiting for another 15-20 years, and nothing would have been left to snatch from the "Sick Man of Europe" ... The rest of the neighbors would have pulled everything possible. And the fact that RI unilaterally refused to comply with the terms of the Paris Treaty is not a worldwide recognition. That's how Crimea is now. Russia says that he is Russian, but other countries do not recognize this. And indeed - since, as you say, the Republic of Ingushetia, after the defeat of France in 1871, achieved the cancellation of the Paris Treaty (which was actually enshrined in the new treaty and is considered a great victory for Russian diplomacy), then why is the permission to have a fleet in Sevastopol duplicated in the San Stefano Treaty? ?!

    For your information:
    The main results of the war were recorded in the San Stefano Peace Treaty:

    Russia annexed Bessarabia, as well as part of Turkish Armenia.
    Turkey paid a contribution to the Russian Empire in the amount of 310 million rubles.
    Russia received the right to have a Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol.
    Serbia, Montenegro and Romania gained independence, and Bulgaria received this status 2 years after the final withdrawal of Russian troops from there (who were there in case Turkey tried to return the territory).
    Bosnia and Herzegovina received the status of autonomy, but were actually occupied by Austria-Hungary.
    In peacetime, Turkey was supposed to open ports for all ships that were sent to Russia.
    Turkey was obliged to organize reforms in the cultural sphere (in particular for the Slavs and Armenians).
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 27 March 2018 07: 56
      0
      Quote: but still
      Well, yes, RI would have been waiting for another 15-20 years, and nothing would have been left to snatch from the "Sick Man of Europe" ... The rest of the neighbors would have pulled everything possible.

      Which neighbors would drag Turkey away?
      So RI did not manage to snatch anything, only financial and geopolitical losses. Until 1876, all the Balkan Slavs were one for another and then began to fight with each other. As a result, RI lost influence in the Balkans and got a knife in the back from the "bros"
      Quote: but still
      And the fact that RI unilaterally refused to comply with the terms of the Paris Treaty is not a worldwide recognition. That's how Crimea is now. Russia says that he is Russian, but other countries do not recognize this.

      So what ? Who needs worldwide recognition, only six like you. The great power does not need this, it defends its right by force.
      Crimea can be recognized, but for some reason no one has broken off relations with the Russian Federation. The sense of this non-recognition is zero, it will take 20 years and recognize in fact.
      Quote: but still
      And indeed - since, as you say, the Republic of Ingushetia, after the defeat of France in 1871, achieved the cancellation of the Paris Treaty (which was actually enshrined in the new treaty and is considered a great victory for Russian diplomacy), then why is the permission to have a fleet in Sevastopol duplicated in the San Stefano Treaty? ?!

      Russia did not achieve anything, but simply denounced this agreement unilaterally and that’s all. England except the protest could not do anything.
      In San Stefan, did the Russians ask for permission to have a fleet in Sevastopol? Who was asked, from the Turks or something? You yourself are not funny.
      Quote: but still
      Russia annexed Bessarabia, as well as part of Turkish Armenia.
      Turkey paid a contribution to the Russian Empire in the amount of 310 million rubles.

      These territories were not worth even hundreds of dead soldiers, so that they would not need to be conquered to go to Bulgaria.
      These 310 million were only on paper, but in reality the Turks did not have that kind of money.
      Quote: but still
      Russia received the right to have a Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol.

      So this is not a request, but a fixation of what was already de facto. This is purely connected with diplomacy. Since the signature of the Turks was under an agreement that forbade RI to have a fleet in the Black Sea, it seemed to have lifted this ban in the new RI treaty.
      Once again, RI removed all restrictions in 1871.
      Quote: but still
      Serbia, Montenegro and Romania gained independence, and Bulgaria received this status 2 years after the final withdrawal of Russian troops from there (who were there in case Turkey tried to return the territory).
      Bosnia and Herzegovina received the status of autonomy, but were actually occupied by Austria-Hungary.
      In peacetime, Turkey was supposed to open ports for all ships that were sent to Russia.
      Turkey was obliged to organize reforms in the cultural sphere (in particular for the Slavs and Armenians).

      What did Russia get? Nothing. After 10 years, the Russians were thrown out of Bulgaria and she began to focus on Germany.
  30. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 27 March 2018 15: 54
    +1
    This is generally such a blatant lie. First of all, the Europeans were interested in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and Europe first of all torn the former territories of the Ottoman Empire into colonies for their beloved ones.

    This, to put it mildly, is not true. Europe turned the Ottoman Empire into its satellite in the 19th century and protected it from Russia. Europe saved the Ottoman Empire twice in the 19th century - in the Krim war, then in the Russian-Turkish war. The Ottoman Empire itself ruined itself (like Bulgaria) when it went to war for German world domination in WWI. Has the Russian Empire ever saved the Ottoman Empire? The USSR helped the Republic of Turkey against Western imperialism after WWII, but the Russian Empire never saved the Ottoman Empire.
    Yeah, it’s such an interest to sell Soviet energy to the west, something I don’t see interest for the USSR here!

    Since the Soviet leadership thought you during the perestroika, your allied relations broke up not only from Bulgaria but from all other allies of the USSR and then from the beating republics. From this, no one, neither Russia, nor the beating Soviet republics, nor the beating allies, became better because the relations beat each other.
  31. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper 27 March 2018 20: 39
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Quote: Bell Pepper
    The most terrible is not Turkish and Polish Bashibozuk but JEWISH.

    Read about Suleiman (Suleiman) Pasha. aka SOLOMON Pasha.
    how they pregnant pregnant women cut their belly alive and their children removed and put their rifles on a box. This is a bloody sacrifice that is still being done in America.
    Jews have always killed Orthodox people. And in Soviet times, Russian Old Believers were killed.
    Of all the SOVNARCOM members, only ONE is not a Jew.
    Accident ??? think for yourself .......


    I don’t know about babies strung on bayonets, but with regard to the Council of People's Commissars, everything is absolutely true: there were practically no Russians there. I want to remind you of the words of the President of the Russian Federation Putin in response to the reproaches from a certain journalist that de Russia did not mark “as needed” the “Holocaust” day. In response, Putin asked if he could remind the "respected; correspondent of the" holocaust "of the RUSSIAN people in 1917?
    Silence was his answer. I am not anti-Semite, but history must be remembered. hi


    The question is not about UTB, I am not anti-Semite, I just want everyone to know the truth. Many Jews lived in the USSR — normal people.
  32. Abram
    Abram 31 March 2018 16: 15
    0
    As often happens, a comment about all the problems ultimately switches to the Jews. But I remind
    After the liberation from the Turkish yoke, the country was divided into two parts in connection with the decisions of the Berlin conferences. After several years, Bulgaria alone declared its unity and independence from the Turkish Sultan. Everyone expected a war with Turkey. A little while after the declared independence of Russia, all the officers who commanded the units of the young Bulgarian were recalled
    army. It may be everyday life and by chance soon after this "fraternal Serbia" attacked Bulgaria. Bulgaria very quickly defeated the Serbs. The people called this war "War of the captains."