So what about the income tax?

Literally the next day after the statement by the former Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, who now heads the Center for Strategic Research, about the presence of a “window of opportunity” for the new Russian government, materials appeared in the media about allegedly considering the increase in income tax.

To begin with, it is worth recalling the Kudrin words expressed in the format of an article in the Kommersant. According to Kudrin, the new cabinet of the Russian Federation will have no more than two years to begin reforms, many of which are being postponed today due to "unpopularity." After this statement, economic experts and ordinary citizens who are interested in the economic realities of the country regarded Kudrin’s words as another call for raising the retirement age.

However, the first information about the occasion after the Kudrinsky statement did not touch the pensions. The Vedomosti newspaper, which is distinguished by a neoliberal approach to covering events, including references to “unnamed informed sources,” appeared a publication entitled “The Government is discussing the increase in income tax.” In the publication, referring, as already noted, to unnamed sources, including (quote) "a person who knows about this from the participants of the (government) meeting," stated that the Medvedev Cabinet discussed the increase in the tax rate for individuals from 13% to 15%. At the same time, it was stated that the government also discussed the issue of a non-taxable minimum. And about the level of this minimum - not a word.

From the material "Sheets":

The decision was finally not made, the official warns. Another says that “consensus has been reached.”

In the news agency Interfax At the same time, a statement was submitted by Dmitry Medvedev, Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, who did not report on the details of the meeting held on tax policy, but said that “the tax system needs adjustment”.

Well, well, at least not “perestroika” ... As they say, and thanks for that ...

The same "Interfax" led the statement of Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich on this issue. According to Dvorkovich, “the difference between 13 and 15 percent is not dramatic.” From the news agency material:

This number - the 13% rate - is also not a fetish, it is no different from 14% and 15%, it is just one of the possible numbers. I repeat: if there is an understanding of the justice of new approaches in comparison with the present, it will be a consensus in society, then it really makes sense, I do not see anything terrible in it. We have been living with the 13 interest tax long enough, and if the additional 2 percentage points will go to health care, that’s definitely a plus.

If 13% is no different from 14 or 15 percent, then this “somewhat” contradicts the laws of elementary mathematics. And when it comes to the income of the population, one can talk about the direction of funds (from a hypothetical tax increase) to health care, but this is in any case an increase in taxes. And so that on this issue, as has been said, a consensus has emerged in the society, the government will obviously have to sweat.

On the other hand, if the government discussion of the topic of increasing income tax did indeed take place, then we must not forget that we are still talking about the current government. Who said that the same people will be in the new composition? It is clear that the initiative of representatives of the current cabinet of ministers that is being put forward today depends directly on whether this or that official from the current government magazine continues its work in the new cabinet or will be "thrown to another front."

In fact, any hints on discussing the topic of raising this tax (to “not dramatic” 2%) in the context of the fact that the country's economy is still growing at a lower (than this value) rate, to say the least, strange. By the way, even Mr. Kudrin, actually calling on the authorities to move on to unpopular reforms, considers the idea of ​​increasing the income tax rate in Russia too unpopular. More than a month ago, in the course of the Sochi Investment Forum, the former head of the Ministry of Finance noted that raising basic tax rates to 2024 was counterproductive. At the same time, Kudrin said that the reason for such counterproductiveness is precisely vague economic growth, which is still below the world average.

A separate question: where will the state get money for the implementation of all that was announced as strategic goals in the message of the president to the Federal Assembly? Here, the government is accustomed to two ways out: the first is to move to unpopular reforms, including the pension one (and this can “agitate” the public), and the second is to put many presidential initiatives on the brakes and work in principle, it has often happened lately). There are, however, other options. True, they are all from the realm of fantasy: wait for oil on 120 per barrel or (and this is already a presidential decision) - not to rearrange the beds, but to change personnel ... Well, you understand ...

After the appearance in the media of the first reaction to the rumors about a possible increase in tax rates in the Russian Federation, the Minister of Finance was called to the president’s office. Understanding that he might not be in the next government, Siluanov decided, as they say, to smooth corners, and reported to the president that taxes in the country would not rise in the near future.

Head of the Ministry of Finance:

In general, the tax burden will not be increased, we say that we will work precisely in terms of improving tax collection. A large body of tasks is a small business, whose share in the economy is growing today. We believe that there are also reserves here due to a more complete tax collection.

From all this motley picture of statements and publications that contradict each other in places, one conclusion can be made: the current ministers of the economic bloc just don’t want to be without ministerial work after the inauguration of the president and at the same time understand that now everything will slow down the brakes more difficult. At the same time, the ministerial “bride” before the president (after appearing in the media about “unpopular” initiatives) will definitely continue until the inauguration. Perhaps in this format: “If Nikanor Ivanovich’s lips were to be attached to Ivan Kuzmich’s nose, to take some swagger, like Baltazar Balthazarych, yes, perhaps, add to this the dignity of Ivan Pavlovich ...” Classics

Comments

[Vard]

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ... With the world a penny ... Plug a hole in the budget ..
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[karish]

Quote: Vard

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ... With the world a penny ... Plug a hole in the budget ..
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VAT will rise to 22% - everyone pays VAT.

[Esoteric]

This VAT, invented by the Frenchman for pumping funds from the colonies, was successfully tested by the HMS in the form of 5% during the Soviet era ... I liked it. Appetite came with eating. They raised the rate to 18%. And most importantly, it is not necessary to seek income concealers. It's simple: a person came to buy food or goods, on which the seller invested 200-300% of the cost and still pay the tax right there, without leaving the cash register. Do not you think, gentlemen, that in the sphere of trade in Russia there are more areas than production areas, and the people are involved at times? And to make an intelligent person and say that if we begin to impose a tax on the rich, then they will hide these taxes - the top of diplomacy. So, you have laid taxes on a simple citizen, on his meager incomes, and therefore the population in the country is not growing. You can’t collect a large crop on meager soil.

There is a way out, but it belongs to the realm of fiction. The introduction of a progressive personal income tax rate, limiting the income of state employees who “have lost both fear and conscience. Abolishing VAT through the cashier and levying taxes from the merchant, taking into account added value. So that there is no benefit to lift prices above 50% of the wholesale. Turnover is a source of income.

[vladimirZ]

According to Kudrin, the new cabinet of the Russian Federation will have no more than two years to start reforms, many of which are postponed today due to "unpopularity." - from article

As the saying goes: "For what they voted, you will receive it." And how did you want the oligarchs and officials with their own relatives to replenish the budget. No matter how.
Let me remind you the story of personal income tax. Before Putin, before 2000, he was progressive, I don’t remember exactly for the bulk of the population with low incomes 12%, for the rich, growing up to 45%, or 60%.
After being elected President in 2000, Putin abolished the progressive scale, replacing it with a single tax for all rich and poor, i.e. the rich pays more from the established worldwide position, and the missing budget from a decrease in the contribution of the rich, replenished at the expense of the poor, raising their income tax from 12% to 13%. It’s a bit like, but a lot of the poor from each penny rich caftan.
So, don’t hang around and wait for new "reforms" from the "new" President, including raising the retirement age, and a whole bunch of taxes and fees, including recycling taxes, increased VAT, tax on sheds and animals, "Plato "etc.
And you thought "the king is good, the boyars are bad"? Not a, all of them are sitting together on the neck of the people, and they are pushing people around.

[Mestny]

What do you want, wrestlers with the regime? Your ideologists have lost. Like you are now in flight. It only remains to spray with saliva.

[jjj]

I would only like to add that VAT is precisely the value added tax, i.e., on the difference between buying and selling

[Stin 55]

It should be so ... But, alas, everything, somewhat, or rather, is completely different. Namely - VAT, today, is “soldered” from the total amount of the sale, from the price, and not from the “plug” about which you write.

[basmach]

Yeah, and you will pay for us, the "support" of this regime. So you throw off your coordinates, and I will give you my tax receipts. Pay them and you can at least saliva, even shit spray

[210ox]

EVERYONE has lost. And “wrestlers and not” .. Today is tax, tomorrow is the retirement age ... For what they fought ..

Quote: Mestny

What do you want, wrestlers with the regime? Your ideologists have lost. Like you are now in flight. It only remains to spray with saliva.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Mestny

What do you want, wrestlers with the regime?

So this is also a bargain with a regime Big name
Center for Strategic Research
But essentially
Non-profit organization, analytical center. Created in 1999. Currently, the CSR is developing a development strategy for Russia 2018-2024. Well, and let yourself continue to develop The CSR office is located in the Voentorg building on Vozdvizhenka. Branch of the Higher School of Economics Kudrin was removed to rest, let him make loud statements so as not to be forgotten ...

[AleBors]

Totally agree with you. In the near future, a tax on nature management will be introduced (picking mushrooms, berries, wildflowers). Again, bureaucratic salary growth has already been proclaimed.
So expect "stability and prosperity." Only alas, this does not apply to us.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: vladimirZ

According to Kudrin, the new cabinet of the Russian Federation will have no more than two years to start reforms, many of which are postponed today due to "unpopularity." - from article

As the saying goes: "For what they voted, you will receive it." And how did you want the oligarchs and officials with their own relatives to replenish the budget. No matter how. After being elected President in 2000, Putin abolished the progressive scale, replacing it with a single tax for all rich and poor, i.e. the rich pays more from the established worldwide position, and the missing budget from a decrease in the contribution of the rich, replenished at the expense of the poor, raising their income tax from 12% to 13%. It’s a bit like, but a lot of the poor from each penny rich caftan.
So, don’t hang around and wait for new "reforms" from the "new" President, including raising the retirement age, and a whole bunch of taxes and fees, including recycling taxes, increased VAT, tax on sheds and animals, "Plato "etc.
And you thought "the king is good, the boyars are bad"? Not a, all of them are sitting together on the neck of the people, and they are pushing people around.

You write beautifully, but rather weakly with arugmentation. Under Yeltsin, in Russia there were 80% of the population in the category of poor and below the poverty line, and under Putin, such as 20%. Probably because the last was taken from the poor. By the way, he knows this figure and in his message spoke about the need to reduce this indicator.

[cast iron]

Average median s.p. Russia's population for 2017 amounted to about 25 rubles per hand. Well i.e. 000% of our population is actually WORKING POORS. I’m waiting for you to tell tales that for 50 a month you can live, do not push, and you can also buy an apartment !!! )))))

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: cast iron

Average median s.p. Russia's population for 2017 amounted to about 25 rubles per hand. Well i.e. 000% of our population is actually WORKING POORS. I’m waiting for you to tell tales that for 50 a month you can live, do not push, and you can also buy an apartment !!! )))))

I will have a pension of 4 thousand. 133 rubles less. In principle, there is enough for life and for a communal apartment. It all depends on the needs. Someone and 500 thousand per month - will not be enough.

[cast iron]

Yeah ... I have nothing to say. Maybe you don’t need anything. But 20-30-40 year olds are even needed. And the most necessary.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

But 20-30-40 year olds are even needed. And the most necessary.

- Well, go ahead, capitalism on the street, earn ... The state has already owed nothing to anyone for more than 25 years ...
But at the same time, what is there the most necessary (except for housing)?
Housing agrees problem for youth. What else?
IPhone / Egypt / new car?

[cast iron]

Our medicine is in fact paid. We collect the whole world for treatment for children - a complete disgrace for the country. Education has become a farce - they produce a bunch of "specialists" who have neither practice nor factual knowledge. And most importantly, they have no jobs, because the labor market is very narrow. The next problem is that there are no job options. The market is again so very narrow. A bunch of areas where there was work just collapsed. A lot of spheres are occupied by relatives / thieves / whole clans, which simply can not fit. Nonetheless, leisure is very expensive for the people - to go to the rink already shit off. This is me about Moscow. Books stand like gold bars. Sports gear is as if from platinum. Have you ever admitted that housing is a disaster. You confused me with a greedy ghoul and a social Darwinist. I did not subscribe to capitalism. He is disgusting to me. This is an obsolete model that is supported artificially.

[Stin 55]

Under Soviet Power, the minimum wage was 70 rubles, then it was the cost of 1 TON of gasoline (!). By the way, they did not take taxes from this amount. A turner student at the factory received 60 rubles. So how much money is being stolen from PEOPLE? Plus, the destruction of industry. Unemployment in Russia is NONSENS !!! It is only for this phenomenon that both Medvedev and Putin need to BE SITTED, as for WRITTENING, sabotage and humiliation of the PEOPLE, their majority. About their complete incompetence in economic matters, I will not say anything, this is in plain sight.

[Vadim237]

The burden is poor for any economy and there’s nothing to take from them - because they don’t have anything.

[cast iron]

How is this a burden? On the contrary, capitalists constantly underpaid 200-500% for labor earn huge additional amounts on this difference. And the poor slaves agree to ANY working conditions. And for extra soldering, they are ready to gnaw each other's throats.

[Simargl]

Quote: vladimirZ

After being elected President in 2000, Putin abolished the progressive scale, replacing it with a single tax for all rich and poor, i.e. freed from established worldwide position the rich pays more

Remind you why you have left the progressive scale? Is it not that she had to be displaced every half a year, because due to inflation, the middle peasant moved into the category of the “rich,” while the purchasing power is good if it didn’t decrease!
Let it be known to you that the employee, in fact, pays more than 60% of taxes, but the rich can have the main income from stocks, the tax on which is 13-15%!
So the progressive tax scale is crystal clear populism! The rich will appoint a salary of 10000 rubles and will calmly row the rest 10000000 under the same 13-15% !!!

[a housewife]

In fact, there is no payroll tax. There is income tax.

[cast iron]

Dividend tax is significantly lower than income tax. It is much more profitable to make a profit from the enterprise in the form of dividends from stocks than to appoint yourself as a head of the company with a huge zp))))

[a housewife]

How much tovarisch received in the year of income - anyone, salary, stocks, something else - that’s what you need to take. It seems to me that it is very simple.

[cast iron]

You think logically, but in the Government you do not agree. Such a government.

[your1970]

Quote: housewife

How much tovarisch received in the year of income - anyone, salary, stocks, something else - that’s what you need to take. It seems to me that it is very simple.

-great..
accrued (on his 44% stake!) Grudinin suppose a million dividends, as he says - he did not take them and spent them on development .....
You propose that he would pay 130 tax all the same - was there any income?
Just ... well ...

[a housewife]

No one directs personal income to any development. First, funds are allocated for development, and only then income is divided. Very simple. Prove what is wrong.

[your1970]

Quote: housewife

No one directs personal income to any development. First, funds are allocated for development, and only then income is divided. Very simple. Prove what is wrong.

-I quoted Grudinina - what he does not receive income from his shares, but allows them to develop CJSC.

[Simargl]

Quote: housewife

In fact, there is no payroll tax.

Income tax 13% of accrued salary
In addition to personal income tax, the wage fund includes insurance contributions:
FPS - in the PFR, the payment of pensions for reaching retirement age is 22%;
MHIF - medical insurance, reaches 5,1%;
FSS VN and M - compulsory social insurance is 2,9% and guarantees payments in case of temporary disability or maternity;
FSS NS and PZ - insurance against accident and occupational injuries or illnesses.
43%
Brehal about 60%

[a housewife]

Again. Salary is colloquial. Upon receipt of money, everyone signs for income. The tax is also taken from income, there is no expression "salary". Grudinin is lying like he is breathing, I don’t care, let his employees deal with him. Entrepreneurs pay a lot, but then - this is his personal income, he must pay another 13 percent.

[Simargl]

Quote: housewife

Salary is colloquial.

It was not about concepts, but about the fact that a top manager, a shareholder, can ask for a salary (choose any suitable word) 1 rubles, and the remaining 100 million rubles - to receive
through stocks! And then not 43 rubles, but 000 will be paid to the treasury! See the difference of 000 ?!
Therefore, I say that it is strongly against the progressive scale, because it will hit, first of all, the workers (those who are at the base of the "food" chain)!

Quote: housewife

Grudinin is lying like breathing

What does he have to do with it ?! I didn’t even mention him.

Quote: housewife

Entrepreneurs pay a lot, but then - this is his personal income, he must pay another 13 percent.

Not understood...

[a housewife]

What is not clear? Taxes are a lot of things. And if 1 ruble is personal income, then the tax is 13 kopecks. The rest of the money - where? Salary is income. And with stocks - also income! If he goes to him, the owner of the shares, a personal account. And even winning the lottery is also income, you have to pay 13 percent.

[Simargl]

Quote: housewife

And even winning the lottery is also income, you have to pay 13 percent.

And for the organization of production - 30%.
You do not take into account that payments come from funds (salaries, dividends and winnings). But neither insurance nor pension are deducted from the last two, nothing!
Simply put, live on unearned revenues in our camp profitable!
I am opposed to this going on. And a progressive tax cannot help here!
People from the real economy should have a minimum tax burden! But on the riffraff from the "unreal" - the maximum, even if their income will be less.

[mac789]

There is a better way! Nero suggested! To begin to dispossess Kudrin with Chubais! The budget of the Pension Fund for a hundred years in advance will be provided!
And the fact that our bosses are crying that there is no money ...
How can it be ... We remember the old song ... There was one famous performer ... Sang it selflessly ...
Pancake! What is his last name? ...? I forgot ...
AND!!! I remembered !!!! ...
Mazarin ...

[Semen1972]

Quote: mac789

To begin to dispossess Kudrin with Chubais!

Are these the leaders of FORBES?))))))))))))))))
With son-in-law P. what will we do?))

[mac789]

Leaders So-and-so ... Compared to them ... On the side of the pripe.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Semen1972

Quote: mac789

To begin to dispossess Kudrin with Chubais!

Are these the leaders of FORBES?))))))))))))))))
With son-in-law P. what will we do?))

Children are not responsible for their parents, although they do not disdain to use their position. And you do not envy that you did not manage to become the son-in-law of P, for envy is one of the mortal sins. Be content with what is.

[mac789]

Envy is a mortal sin ...
Our bosses also envy us. Say we already live very well ....
So they decided to rob them harder ... Naturally for our own good.
Greetings from cameras on poles, a tax on country toilets, a new property tax, patronage of employers paying black salaries (at least one kurvat for this?) - they also communize money with old people, and soluble asphalt, and yards without parking lots snooping around them tow trucks and many other miracles with which the Russian Land is full. By the way, she’s not Russian now - take a look who is sitting in the government there.
"Be content with what is" ... a Jedi saying ...
Like - work black pigs, the sun is still high ... And when night falls we light the torches. And then we will increase your bread norm ... Maybe ...

[your1970]

Quote: mac789

country toilets tax

-you have a toilet OFFICIALLY registered as an REAL ESTATE PROPERTY? If yes - so you used to pay taxes for it, as for any real estate ...
and if not registered, you won’t pay for it

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: your1970

... your toilet is OFFICIALLY registered as an PROPERTY? If so, then you ...

... alternatively gifted

[a housewife]

Private property is registered ALL! Even just a canopy. And it has always been. There is a roof - it is considered as a building. Here about the doghouse - not sure.

[your1970]

Quote: housewife

Even just a canopy. And it has always been.

- who told you this ???? When the BTI blurted out, yes they painted like objects and toilets and awnings. How they made them private owners and were cracked in their ears - they stopped doing it right away ..

[arlekin]

Quote: mac789

There is a better way! Nero suggested! To begin to dispossess Kudrin with Chubais! The budget of the Pension Fund for a hundred years in advance will be provided!

“He’s dishonest,” they shout, “greedy, ours stole everything!” Probably.
When you don’t have a damn and didn’t have one, you won’t understand what was stolen from you. And where did it all lie.
And why didn’t you steal yourself if he stole from you?
If you have seen with your own eyes that you have nothing to steal from you.
Here to share - he should, right here they say.
But let him alone steal, take risks and suffer. "M. Zhvanetsky

[mac789]

You have too subtle humor ... It’s easier to be.

[Cheldon]

In Saudi Arabia, $ 100 billion was fished out of the arrested princes. A couple of people tried to do the folding: one was spanked, the other accidentally crashed on a helicopter. Well, what can I say, well done Saudis.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Cheldon

In Saudi Arabia, $ 100 billion was fished out of the arrested princes. A couple of people tried to do the folding: one was spanked, the other accidentally crashed on a helicopter. Well, what can I say, well done Saudis.

We do not have so many princes who can get to the throne. Among the Saudis, the king bred them so much that they are now crushing each other in every possible way. So nothing unusual, just a family showdown and elimination of competitors claiming the throne.

[Ascetic]

Quote: karish

VAT will rise to 22% - everyone pays VAT.

The basic VAT rate is 18 percent. For certain types of goods (works, services), preferential VAT rates are applicable - 0 and 10 percent. Also in 2018, the Tax Code provides for benefits for VAT refunds from individuals, in particular for paid medical services, the wife was reimbursed 15% VAT for dentist services, just most people don’t know because besides horror stories in style, everything is missing in our media there is nothing more useful, and you’ll break your brains on codes yourself .... So officials use the legal and legal illiteracy of citizens in their interests.

[basmach]

We are also talking about canceling the preferential rate of 10% on social goods and making them on a common basis.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: karish

Quote: Vard

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ... With the world a penny ... Plug a hole in the budget ..
.

VAT will rise to 22% - everyone pays VAT.

And Israel too ...

[naidas]

Quote: karish

VAT pay everything.

Nobody canceled the VAT tax deduction.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: karish

Quote: Vard

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ... With the world a penny ... Plug a hole in the budget ..
.

VAT will rise to 22% - everyone pays VAT.

[Gardamir]

Almost all over the world, progressive income tax.

There was such a tax to zero, but then someone withdrew, obviously, so as not to offend their own.

[free]

Quote: Gardamir

Almost all over the world, progressive income tax.

There was such a tax to zero, but then someone withdrew, obviously, so as not to offend their own.

And who is this who? Zaputintsy ay!

[KAV]

Quote: free

And who is this who? Zaputintsy ay!

Here we are ... here. No need to scream like that!
Damn ... How much are the envious eyes of some people ... Give them a progressive tax scale ... You see, the rich must be fought harder. Apparently, they didn’t do math in schools? 13% is not 13 rubles. The more you earn, the more you pay tax. In direct proportion to earnings. And you, all screaming about progressive personal income tax, apparently from the followers of the Bolsheviks? Are you for not being rich? Let everyone be at the poor level? That is, if someone has become rich - do you need to increase the tax and thereby rob its wealth? For the horror how envious that someone dared to get rich?
Just do not have to start writing about oligarchs, etc., who have made fortunes by dishonest means. Unfair ways of earning should be done by UBEP, not tax. You, as usual, are engaged in the substitution of concepts and turning everything upside down, for the sake of yourself.

[Sergey985]

An exposition in the West will begin with the “overwork” of the earned money; money will begin to remain in the country. It would be even better if the maximum taken away. A very visual lesson.

[free]

Quote: KAV

Quote: free

And who is this who? Zaputintsy ay!

Here we are ... here. No need to scream like that!
Damn ... How much are the envious eyes of some people ... Give them a progressive tax scale ... You see, the rich must be fought harder. Apparently, they didn’t do math in schools? 13% is not 13 rubles. The more you earn, the more you pay tax. In direct proportion to earnings. And you, all screaming about progressive personal income tax, apparently from the followers of the Bolsheviks? Are you for not being rich? Let everyone be at the poor level? That is, if someone has become rich - do you need to increase the tax and thereby rob its wealth? For the horror how envious that someone dared to get rich?
Just do not have to start writing about oligarchs, etc., who have made fortunes by dishonest means. Unfair ways of earning should be done by UBEP, not tax. You, as usual, are engaged in the substitution of concepts and turning everything upside down, for the sake of yourself.

It’s very good that you are here. Yes, I’m the most follower of the Bolsheviks, will I say more, I’m Stalinist, satisfied? And I don’t see anything wrong with what I am for social justice, and you? Answer the question of how our oligarchs became oligarchs and when ?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: free

... I am for social justice ...

What and to whom is it good? The bottom line, so to speak?

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: free

... I am for social justice ...

What and to whom is it good? The bottom line, so to speak?

Reread the KAV post above, re-read? Now think and you can write something again.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: free

you can write something again

Thank you, I myself would not have guessed

Quote: free

Reread the KAV post above

I read it. KAV, IMHO, wrong. Progressive income - this is correct, the only question is how to ensure the collection of such a tax.
But this is still a problem, and until they are resolved - a titmouse in the hands (a flat scale and normal collection) is better than a crane in the sky (a progressive tax scale).
And here you are already wrong.
At the same time, your nagging "for social justice" does not whiten you at all.
That's about as

[naidas]

Quote: Golovan Jack

the only question is how to ensure the collection of such a tax.

I don’t understand what the problem is, because our oligarchs are either top officials or entrepreneurs on state orders and exports.
Well, if a private trader who is not connected with the state does not pay, it’s a penny, although the equipment will be updated.

[free]

And I don’t whine! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[E_V_N]

Quote: KAV

lin ... How much do some envious eyes have for some ... Give them a progressive tax scale ... You see, you have to fight more with the rich. Apparently, they didn’t do math in schools? 13% is not 13 rubles. The more you earn, the more you pay tax. In direct proportion to earnings. And you, all screaming about progressive personal income tax, apparently from the followers of the Bolsheviks? Are you for not being rich? Let everyone be at the poor level? That is, if someone has become rich - do you need to increase the tax and thereby rob its wealth? For the horror how envious that someone dared to get rich?
Just do not now start writing about the oligarchs, etc., who have made fortunes dishonestly. Unfair ways of earning should be done by UBEP, not tax. You, as usual, are engaged in the substitution of concepts and turning everything upside down, for the sake of yourself

Yes, you’re right, of course, that 13% is not 13 rubles, but just as always, you don’t agree on the whole truth. And let us keep silent about the oligarchs, and you will not spit on the "followers of the Bolsheviks", right?
A progressive taxation scale has been introduced in all capitalist countries where the Bolsheviks never smelled. But the Bolsheviks in the USSR had a flat scale, how do you explain this?
Large profits are spent on imported clothes and goods and leisure abroad, the purchase of real estate there. That is, they work on a foreign land, without bringing any benefit to the homeland. And from low salaries you can’t get imports, you buy local goods, that is, local industry rises. Therefore, it looks fair to take more taxes with large incomes, and with less taxes, to the benefit of the motherland))) And the point here is not the desire to rob the rich, but in the interests of the country of residence. In the West, this has long been understood, but ours does not reach. Apparently to you too.

[Slavs B]

Large profits are spent on imported clothes and goods and leisure abroad, the purchase of real estate there. That is, they work on a foreign land, without bringing any benefit to the homeland. And from low salaries you can’t get imports, you buy local goods, that is, local industry rises. Therefore, it seems fair to take more taxes with large incomes, and with less taxes, to the benefit of the motherland))) And the point here is not the desire to rob the rich, but in the interests of the country of residence. In the West, this has long been understood, but ours does not reach.

I agree, excess profits corrupt. The oligarch spends them “in foreign lands”, his chick (I can’t call IT a woman), or the children-majors behave even more outrageously. And since they do not want to invest money in their country, then the state must force them, and a progressive scale is a good method. But I'm afraid that under the current government this is unrealistic

[TuM0305]

Why are you writing this dregs! This year the budget deficit is one and a half trillion! In the next two years, another 3 trillion! Where to get the money? For 18 years, no private business has appeared in the country! All bought up by Putin and his friends! Even a magnet bought VTB, which exist for our money! People have no savings, the economy in the "fat years" did not gain mass! WHERE TO TAKE% TRILLION ???????

[cast iron]

We taught mathematics well at the university - not a couple to you. It’s one thing when you pay 20% with 000 a month and another thing is when you pay 13% with 13 a day))))) As for the former, the former remain miserable 2 a month, while Miller has the remainder 000 per month. The difference is catastrophic.

[KAV]

Quote: Gardamir

There was such a tax to zero, but then someone withdrew, obviously, so as not to offend their own.

Such a progressive tax was only 9 years old, by force. From 1992 to 2001. Including, it is not necessary to rediscover America. At first they introduced, and certainly not out of love for the people. And then canceled. Also, not out of love for the people. For for a simple person, practically nothing has changed.

[Gardamir]

total

Yes, not all. he who came to power and to his wealth came. And schools, medicine were all optimized, and there was nothing to say about the factories.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Vard

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ... With the world a penny ... Plug a hole in the budget ..

Yeah, with progress, with us all the rich on paper will become beggars like church mice, like Zhirinovsky who has nothing, everything belongs to the party. Now you might think that no one gets a gray salary or double-entry bookkeeping. And with progress, the whole business will go into the shadows. First you need to think about the interest rate, soft loans, toughening tax control, which directly affects budget replenishment, and only then think about the progressive scale. From the shadows, you need to take out crooks, by ear and in the sun, and then argue about personal income tax ...

[Romey]

Quote: Ascetic

From the shadows it is necessary to deceive crooks, by ear and in the sun, and then argue about personal income tax ...

I wonder who will do such nonsense? FSB? MIA? The prosecutor's office? Accounts Chamber? That is, crooks will withdraw crooks? So I remembered Colonel Zakharchenko. In general, not even funny already. Here the other day a whole city of State Department agents was formed in the Moscow Region who dared to destroy sacred bonds with one dump, and our "law enforcement agencies" are not even able to deal with these rogues and force the villains and traitors of the Supreme Commander to rush into the future, and you’re talking about some kind of crooks ...

[AA17]

Dear Stanislav. "... And with progression, the whole business will go into the shadows ..." - I do not agree with your phrase. Your phrase is just a myth. Who has his own business is the topic. Modern information technology allows you to track any financial chain, so the business will not be able to go into the shadows. I am in the subject.
"ASK VAT-2 allows tax authorities to automatically track all connections with one-day activities. Inspectors easily, without particularly straining, prove the outgoing connection and one-day customers have to pay the bills. How does this happen? Your accountant submits a report to the Federal Tax Service, then you get the requirements to provide invoices. And after a while you get a "bill" for using the cashing services. A common thing now. VAT charges are growing by 30% annually starting from 2015. Just because you are no longer controlled by people, but by a program with which it’s impossible to agree, but no one will stop at what has been achieved. The tax, together with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the Federal Financial Monitoring Service, have taken up the "circulatory system" of any business — the settlement accounts. In friendly cooperation they merge information with each other and, if something is in doubt, then the current account is blocked until the “better times", and you can get on the black list. But this is not all the news of the fight against cashing. So, from July 1, 2017 in the tax another anti-CASH department has appeared! Gaps in the payment of VAT are already dealt with by a separate department: control and analytical. Their task will be to analyze only the work of ASK VAT-2, identify gaps, and transfer data where necessary. The work will be more coherent, clear, without spraying. Therefore, clients of cash-in workers (even if it was in the distant past) will have to communicate with tax authorities more often. But this is all a theory. Let's look at the facts:
Businessmen are required to exercise caution when choosing a counterparty. If you didn’t show it and the counterparty accidentally did not pay VAT, then it is not the counterparty who is to blame for this, but you. For this you will be charged extra VAT, penalties and fines - letter of the Federal Tax Service of Russia dated 24.07.2015 No. ED-4-2 / ​​13005.
The police institute proceedings for tax evasion without taking into account the opinions of the tax authorities.
ASK VAT-2 monitors all operations and shows who, where and how much has hidden. And this super smart robot learned to connect to your current accounts.
Unified system of accounting for all tax payments throughout the country (Tax AIS-3). This means that any inspector will be able to trace all the relationships across all your contractors without leaving your office. Online cash registers are implemented and in real time show cash and cashless turnover of companies. 5% of cases on cashing out are won by the Federal Tax Service ... "
P.S. Something like this.
Therefore, they do not want to introduce a progressive income tax, because you can’t hide anything. Together with a progressive income tax, it would still be necessary to introduce regulation on the withdrawal of Russian finances “abroad”. These measures would significantly increase the budget of Russia.

[your1970]

Quote: AA17

therefore, the business cannot go into the shadows. I am in the subject.

-you are in the subject, for example, that we have a manufacturer of sauerkraut - which sells per day up to a ton in the region (50 rubles per kilo = 50 per day =1,5 million per month turnover) .Our traders take it and sell it divine (perish) for 70 rubles ...
Guess three times (at least 20) - does he pay taxes, is he at least an individual entrepreneur and how traders are calculated with him

[AA17]

Dear Sergey. This is a special case. Your regional tax does not work well. As my classmate jokes (at meetings with classmates), who holds a rather high rank in our regional Ministry of Internal Affairs: "The fact that you are still not" sitting "is not your merit, this is our flaw."

[your1970]

out of 230 IP peasant farms we have left - 14 ... The rest? no, they did not close / died / scattered - they liquidated as IPs and continue to quietly farm on their hectares (from 200 to 26 ha, all differently ). And what can the tax take from them - besides the land tax ?? nothing ....
the technology is framed by relatives, as physicists buy fuel .. donations do not receive ...
and the tax will not take anything from them

[cast iron]

If everyone knows everything, including you, then there is a conspiracy between the "businessmen", the authorities and the security forces in the region. A few anonymous letters are enough to start the verification and surveillance. And then it’s enough to shoot everything in public, and the relatives should be completely confiscated with rights violations. After a series of such demonstration vessels wishing to do something similar, it will decrease hundreds of times.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

And then it’s enough to shoot everything in public, and for the relatives to carry out a complete confiscation with loss of rights. After a series of such show trials wishing to do something similar, it will decrease hundreds of times

they’ve been shooting in China for 25 (!!!!!) years ..... helps? yeah ..... those who were born are already being shot later the beginning of the fight against corruption

[cast iron]

It helps, even as it helps. For 20 years, China has become the second economy in the world. With the help of total executions of greedy ghouls including.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

It helps, even as it helps. For 20 years, China has become the second economy in the world. With the help of total executions of greedy ghouls including.

- but for some reason it seems to me - that it has become the 2nd economy due to a change in the political course towards business and absolutely practically zero costs for the Chinese salary (compared to the Amer / European workers). That dragged a frantic amount of industrial production in China
and executions for corruption are the tenth issue (although necessary)

[cast iron]

The specifics of social society in China naturally played a role. The Chinese, like the Japanese, like the Koreans, have existed for 50 years in the sweatshops of labor relations. In fact, in a state of half-slaves. The specifics of Asia. However, without executions there would have been a huge amount of abuse, etc., etc., which impedes economic development.

[naidas]

Quote: your1970

1,5 million monthly turnover

Well, such small ones generally need to be exempted from taxes — the office’s turnover is less than Nabiullina’s income.

[your1970]

Quote: naidas

Quote: your1970

1,5 million monthly turnover

Well, such small ones generally need to be exempted from taxes — the office’s turnover is less than Nabiullina’s income.

- so that you are in the know - for 294-ФЗ small business is exempted from checks until the end of 2018 (with the exception of a threat to life and health)
That is why the Federal Tax Service will not do anything and can not do it. And there, the IP just closes and opens in a month - and again, unchecked holidays for 3 years

[Tomich3]

Dear Alexander! If you work in the tax, this does not mean that you are in the topic)) Why give an example of a letter from the Federal Tax Service already 15 years old, now it’s much more relevant than article 54.1 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation) But the schemes haven’t gone anywhere, it’s been known for a long time, for example, by executives works) And VAT will be raised because the% on "cashing" has grown significantly. Everything is simple. There is simply a redistribution of the cashing market throughout the country). Do not mislead people.

[Glory1974]

Modern information technology allows you to track any financial chain, so the business will not be able to go into the shadows.

Technology is good. But don’t you think that those who cannot go into the shadows will simply go broke? Recently, there have been many problems with cashing and paying salaries “in envelopes”. But this was done in order to survive.

[cast iron]

Z.p. in envelopes are made in order to secure the fifth point of the owner of the company in case of failure to comply with the Labor Code of the Russian Federation. After all, you can take and not pay the premium and the gray part of the salary, but only the salary - at the cost of living. It is so beneficial to answer financially to the employees to the minimum. But it’s better to throw the one who plowed on you and deal with the end. This is what most "businessmen" do.

[Glory1974]

Z.p. in envelopes are made in order to secure the fifth point of the owner of the company in case of failure to comply with the Labor Code of the Russian Federation

Pay in envelopes in order to minimize taxes. Our taxes are such that if you officially pay everything, the company goes bankrupt.
And compliance with the Labor Code is controlled by the labor inspectorate; it has nothing to do with salaries in the envelope. The minimum wage is paid, so from her point of view the law is not violated.

But it’s better to throw the one who plowed on you and deal with the end. This is what most "businessmen" do.

It was in 90. Now it’s much harder. If you just throw it, then the labor inspectorate will connect, the prosecutor’s office, etc.

[cast iron]

More difficult, I agree. But at a construction site, for example, this is very close. You can read about the workers of the Vostochny spaceport. It took half a year to inspect labor and prosecutors to shake zp workers of their fat cats construction business.

[Glory1974]

about the workers of the Vostochny spaceport.

Probably there was a scam at the cosmodrome. When they didn’t pay salaries at all. And I'm interested in the process of issuing salaries in envelopes. Net salary is usually transferred to the card, the minimum wage. And the rest is paid in an envelope, because they do not have to pay 36% of social tax, etc. But for this it is necessary to withdraw cash, and now they are struggling with it, clamping more and more. As I understand it, the problem is to take the business out of the shadows so that the state receives taxes and the business does not incur unnecessary expenses and does not go bankrupt. To do this, on the one hand it is necessary to lower taxes, on the other, it is necessary to increase the income for the state.

[cast iron]

I won’t tell you how it’s done. This is exactly some kind of criminal scheme. For me, as a recent employee of the engineering department of the construction site, they paid me exactly what you say - the minimum salary per card, and the rest in an envelope from hand to hand. And so, I repeat, in most construction organizations. This is no secret to anyone. The secret is how to withdraw funds.

[twviewer]

and why argue: PIT in developed countries is progressive because orders are from the richest consumer, i.e. states after tax collection, thereby go to large payers. Which in this way will be able to earn more. And once a thief is caught in any state. will not be able to participate in the service, nor in business, but will not jump from chair to chair. So that the willing is looking for opportunities, and the unwilling is looking for excuses. 18 years is a huge time. There was no financial control either. Perhaps this is beneficial to someone.

[your1970]

[quote = twviewer] And once a thief is caught on any state. service, no longer in business will not be able to participate, and will not jump from chair to chair. [/ quote]
- in Germany 42 (!!) Corruption cases initiated in 2011
[quote = twviewer] Perhaps this is beneficial to someone. [/ Quote] - in Germany, such an amount only Caught corrupt officials ....

[cast iron]

Therefore, you do not need to do anything, but just write letters on Twitter, portraying them as an expert who has a recipe)))))

[Scoun]

Quote: Vard

The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ...

But what ... Dvorkovich with his husband Zumrud Rustamovich can afford to pay a little more for new income ... the benefit has already been accumulated.

[Cheldon]

Quote: Scoun

Dvorkovich with her husband Zumrud Rustamovich

Suddenly...

[Semen1972]

Quote: Vard

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ...

A progressive world is one that everyone here is blaming for. We don’t need it, there is a liberal and ... well, like that! The progressive world is the USSR under Stalin, everything else is BOTTOM, yes comrades ?!

[Baloo]

Quote: Vard

Almost all over the world, a progressive income tax ... The rich pay ... And only we have everything at the expense of the poor ... But what ... With the world a penny ... Plug a hole in the budget ..
.

Dvorkovich and another (fugitive Mitrofanov) went to rescue Polonsky when he was arrested on his island.
Dvorkovich over to Ukraine, let him work there. Income tax should be progressive. From a salary of 200 thousand a year, do not take anything, from a salary of up to 1 lyam, 11%, then 1% for every 10 lyam, after 10 lyam, 1% every 100 lyam. Let financial geniuses think further.

[astronom1973n]

and if an additional 2 percentage points go to health care, that will definitely be a plus.

And what's the point? In our city, hospitals and polyclinics have good repairs and modern equipment, and doctors ........ qualifications are low to put it mildly. They cannot give descriptive descriptions, since they studied poorly. Those who are decent work in non-budgetary institutions. And the ads are hanging in the city, where your medical school and college require therapists, etc. they are simply incomplete. I consider the course of increase from all personal income tax to be incorrect, but progressive tax is logical!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: astronom1973n

qualifications to say the least low.

I went to 4 doctors with my daughter (2 were paid) - 4 different diagnoses! As a result, they found a fifth who said "everything is fine with you, score"

[Scoun]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: astronom1973n

qualifications to say the least low.

I went to 4 doctors with my daughter (2 were paid) - 4 different diagnoses! As a result, they found a fifth who said "everything is fine with you, score"

He rested in the summer with small children in Kyrgyzstan, followed by a daughter flew in at a temperature of 39, a doctor was called, a doctor Feruza came, looked and said
- you have very bad tonsils, do you undergo prophylaxis every six months?

I say - no, we are prescribed “tonsingol” and miramistin + rinse ... and augmentin
And she says
- Yes, with your tonsils, you should have appointed this five years ago ...

In general, I studied ... and yet YES !!!!! It should be so! And we are neither a district doctor, nor ENT, nor paid doctors about this a word! What is profitable for them? !!
In some village of Karasuysky district, is the doctor much more competent than ours in the Moscow region?
By the way, in two days I put it on its feet.

[vladimirZ]

In some village of Karasuysky district, is the doctor much more competent than ours in the Moscow region? - scoun

Recently I went to the clinic, decided to change the local therapist, since there is an openly stupid doctor on our site, he can’t do anything, only he is busy with papers. Fortunately, I already know my sores, and I ask for a recipe for such and such.
Well, the thing is different, when I began to look at the sites, it turned out that most of them were already working not by doctors, but by a medical assistant after a medical school, and this is with us in a rather large city. And what is happening in remote areas and small towns and villages? As far as I remember myself, even from the Soviet 60-70s, doctors with higher education always worked in the polling stations, and now in the 21st century - FELDSCHER ?!
Before the "reform" oligarchic power medicine for the people. And someone else will tell me that capitalist Yeltsin-Putin power is good for the people ?!

[cast iron]

Do not loosen the staples. You are an agent of the USA! Hire the West and the liberal !!!

[vladimirZ]

Do not loosen the staples. You are an agent of the USA! Hire the West and the liberal !!! - cast iron

I agree with your irony. Nowadays, people living in Russia, or rather, the survivors in it, their true patriots, who soberly and objectively look at what is happening around us, are recorded in the "US agents", "West mercenaries", "shattering scrapes."
But the compradors of oligarchs and officials who betray Russia, sell off its wealth, for personal gain, lead offshore, Western banks looted, transferred to the US Reserve funds of Russia to strengthen the state economy, living on families looted in houses bought in the West, it is considered to be "patriots "
But this is a direct deception, to speak black in white, and vice versa. And some of its participants, well-known to the pro-government, pro-comprador lobby, are engaged in this fraud at our VO. Moreover, some of them knowingly do this, perhaps as an option paid pro-government trolls, and the other from illiteracy and stupidity, who do not understand the essence of the events.

[Baloo]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: astronom1973n

qualifications to say the least low.

I went to 4 doctors with my daughter (2 were paid) - 4 different diagnoses! As a result, they found a fifth who said "everything is fine with you, score"

It happens. I was invited to paid centers three times, I don’t fit with my soviet education. Everywhere the same thing: for some reason you do not appoint additional examinations and analyzes in our center, why do not you sell our product (voluntary insurance, in fact, a subscription to a service like a transport card for a tram). Better not to get sick. Life is motion. Any disease always manifests itself in a violation of vital functions, decreased appetite, working capacity, increased fatigue, drowsiness, fever, cough, runny nose, lameness, impaired discharge function. If the child whines and presses then to mom, then to dad, look for the reason. And in a student, this may be a manifestation of depression, an insoluble conflict in the classroom. There are a lot of smart books for parents in the internet and in stores, we just need to pet the child, joke, whip once again and everything will be fine. Life is a movement, a child should go in for sports, just consult what kind of gym. My grandson suffered from childhood pains, then bronchial asthma clung to. Exacerbations were several a month. In kindergarten, karate, dancing, football, in addition to 5 years old began to drive to Wu-shu. The swimmer didn’t get cold, he had a cold. Dyuksh in basketball has made a miracle: already a year no colds. Doctors are different, but it is also important to consistently state what-how, what is better, what is worse.

[Esoteric]

Quote: astronom1973n

the qualifications are, to put it mildly, low. Descriptive ones cannot be given, since they studied poorly. Those who are worthy work in non-budgetary institutions. And ads hang in the city where their medical school and school are required by therapists, etc. they are simply incomplete

This:

The old building of the Medical Institute, which is not allowed to be demolished, since it is on the balance of federal structures.
This:

The building of the unfinished building KemGMA (at least 30 years). It is a "thorn" with KemGMA. There are few students on the doctor’s salary, but enough to see their future and compare ...

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Esoteric

not allowed to demolish, as it is on the balance sheet

1. Yes, they just didn’t decide whose property it will pass along with the land.
2. The owner is there, but he is not satisfied with the proposed price, but they do not agree to it.
3. Well, etc.

[fa2998]

We decided to solve all problems at the expense of the people. It’s a good earning "elite", those who are allowed to share the pie do not want to. They will raise for everyone up to 15 ave., You can rob the budget further!
As the authorities need to make a decision, they necessarily refer to world experience, give examples that in most countries this already exists. But it’s a pity to introduce a progressive tax to them, and we have a “special way”. Indeed, in some countries, for the rich, the tax reaches 80%.

[rotmistr60]

The lousy practice of the government is to throw in and look at the reaction not of the people, but of the president. If you haven’t called to the carpet, then you can implement another liberal idea in life. And then it’s popular for the president to explain with numbers how wonderful it is. And adviser Kudrin with his proposals is no longer just annoying, but provokes hatred.

[BecmepH]

Quote: rotmistr60

The lousy practice of the government is to throw in and look at the reaction not of the people, but of the president. If you haven’t called to the carpet, then you can implement another liberal idea in life. And then it’s popular for the president to explain with numbers how wonderful it is. And adviser Kudrin with his proposals is no longer just annoying, but provokes hatred.

I would be silent in your place. After all, you are a zealous supporter of GDP, which is satisfied with the work of the government.

[rotmistr60]

Yes, I am a supporter of GDPbut I’ve never expressed satisfaction with the work of the government. And do not tell me to keep silent or do something else. I'm not on your page.

[BecmepH]

Quote: rotmistr60

And do not tell me to keep silent or do something else.

That's right. After writing, I scolded myself for the incorrect remark.

I would be silent in your place.

I apologize.
We will dispute respectfully.
If they do that

throw in and look at the reaction of not the people, but the president

that means GDP allows them to do so.
I think that such questions should first be discussed with the first person, and not vice versa - wait for his reaction.
I did not vote for GDP, but I never insulted him. I think that he is worthy of respect. But ... tired.
Russia is stagnating. Change is needed. It's my personal opinion.

[populist]

BecmepH
Russia is stagnating.

It has been 6 years since Russia fell into stagnation.
This scandal in the "noble family" is an interesting food for Kremlinologists. Which of the scandalous ones will remain in place, and who will be kicked out, will not be taken to the new government. I think everyone will "sit"

[BecmepH]

Quote: populist

I think everyone will "sit"

Surely. A couple of three will be moved ...

[naidas]

Quote: populist

Already 6 years as Russia fell into stagnation

This is better than from 1991-2000: Russia fell into a binge.

[Esoteric]

Quote: BecmepH

I did not vote for GDP, but I never insulted him. I think that he is worthy of respect. But ... tired.

I also did not vote for GDP and never offended him. I believe that his respect is well-deserved. Only one’s own mistakes should not be passed on to the shoulders of the people and the crap about a bright capitalist future should be breathed in. All his decrees and projections of economic breakthroughs were not given. Production did not revive and embezzlement was not reduced. Yes, it’s a shame for the power ...

Sadly I look at our generation!
His future - il is empty, il is dark,
Meanwhile, under the burden of knowledge and doubt,
Inaction, it will age.
We are rich, barely out of the cradle,
The mistakes of the fathers and their later minds,
And life already torments us, like a smooth path without a goal,
Like a feast at someone else's holiday.

To good and evil, they are shamefully indifferent,
At the beginning of the field, we wilt without a fight;
The danger is shamefully cowardly
And before the government - despicable slaves.
So a skinny fetus, ripe for a while,
Neither pleasing our taste, nor eyes
Hanging between flowers, an orphaned alien,
And the hour of their beauty - its fall hour!

We have withered the mind with barren science
She is envious of her friends and family
Hope is the best and the voice is noble
Disbelief ridiculed passions.
We barely touched to the cup of pleasure,
But we did not save those young forces;
Of every joy, fearing satiety,
We have the best juice ever.

Dreams of poetry, creation of art
Delight sweet our mind does not stir;
We eagerly cherish in the chest the rest of the feeling -
Buried in stinginess and useless treasure.
And we hate, and we love by chance,
Without sacrificing anything to anger or love,
And some cold secret reigns in the soul,
When the fire boils in blood.
And our ancestors are bored with luxurious fun,
Their conscientious, childish debauchery;
And we rush to the grave without happiness and without glory,
Looking mockingly back.

The crowd is gloomy and soon forgotten
We will pass over the world without noise and trace,
Throwing not a fertile thought for centuries,
Not a genius of work begun.
And our dust, with the rigor of a judge and a citizen,
A descendant will be insulted by a contemptuous verse,
Taunting the bitterly deceived son
Over the squandered father.
1838 M.Yu. Lermontov

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: rotmistr60

Yes, I am a supporter of GDP, but have never expressed satisfaction with the work of the government

It is interesting how two completely incompatible things can coexist in one head ...

[arlekin]

Quote: rkkasa 81

It is interesting how two completely incompatible things can coexist in one head ...

And how do you say: "The government has ruined everything - education, science, medicine, industry, etc." and "We never lived as well as under Putin."

[210ox]

And who, by the way, signs the decree on appointments?

Quote: rotmistr60

Yes, I am a supporter of GDPbut I’ve never expressed satisfaction with the work of the government. And do not tell me to keep silent or do something else. I'm not on your page.

[free]

Quote: rotmistr60

Yes, I am a supporter of GDPbut I’ve never expressed satisfaction with the work of the government. And do not tell me to keep silent or do something else. I'm not on your page.

And where are all the gentlemen who voted for Putin have disappeared? There is no one besides you, that's all strange.

[free]

Quote: rotmistr60

Yes, I am a supporter of GDPbut I’ve never expressed satisfaction with the work of the government. And do not tell me to keep silent or do something else. I'm not on your page.

Chi zrada, chi overpower? (Whether victory or betrayal?)

[basmach]

And who is the government, or rather, the prime minister puts forward for approval in the State Duma, is it not GDP. Who issues decrees that are binding on the government and cannot (or do not want to) control or force them to comply. I am something. And it is not necessary to refer to can not, does not have time. Read the Constitution
"

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Chapter 4. President of Russian Federation
Article 80

1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state.

2. The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In accordance with the procedure established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it takes measures to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, its independence and state integrity, ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of government bodies.

3. The President of the Russian Federation, in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws, determines the main directions of domestic and foreign policy of the state.

4. The President of the Russian Federation as the head of state represents the Russian Federation within the country and in international relations.
Article 83

President of Russian Federation:

a) appoint, with the consent of the State Duma, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;

b) has the right to chair meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation;

c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;

d) submits to the State Duma a candidate for appointment to the post of Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation; puts before the State Duma the issue of dismissal of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation;

e) at the suggestion of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, appoints and dismisses the deputies of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers;

f) presents to the Federation Council candidates for appointment to the post of judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation; appoints judges of other federal courts;

e.1) presents to the Federation Council candidates for appointment to the post of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation and deputies of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation; makes proposals to the Federation Council on dismissal of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation and deputies of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation; appoints and dismisses prosecutors of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, as well as other prosecutors, except for prosecutors of cities, regions and equivalent prosecutors;

g) forms and heads the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the status of which is determined by federal law;

h) approves the military doctrine of the Russian Federation;

i) forms the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation;

j) appoints and dismisses plenipotentiaries of the President of the Russian Federation;

k) appoints and dismisses the supreme command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation;

m) appoints and withdraws, after consultation with the relevant committees or commissions of the chambers of the Federal Assembly, of diplomatic representatives of the Russian Federation in foreign states and international organizations.
Article 85

1. The President of the Russian Federation may use conciliation procedures to resolve disagreements between government bodies of the Russian Federation and government bodies of constituent entities of the Russian Federation, as well as between government bodies of constituent entities of the Russian Federation. If the agreed decision is not reached, he may refer the resolution of the dispute to the relevant court.

2. The President of the Russian Federation has the right to suspend the acts of executive authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation in the event of a conflict of these acts with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws, international obligations of the Russian Federation or violation of human and civil rights and freedoms until this matter is resolved by the relevant court.
Article 90

1. The President of the Russian Federation issues decrees and orders.

2. Decrees and orders of the President of the Russian Federation are binding on the entire territory of the Russian Federation.

3. Decrees and orders of the President of the Russian Federation shall not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws. "
So there are many responsibilities. But the performance of these duties - under a big question

[karish]

Quote: rotmistr60

The lousy practice of the government is to throw in and look at the reaction not of the people, but of the president.

And the president, as always, isn’t in the know
He will know about it (about raising taxes) when he gets paid

Quote: rotmistr60

And then it’s popular for the president to explain with numbers how wonderful it is.

[sergo1914]

[quote = karish] [quote = rotmistr60] The lousy practice of the government is to throw in and look at the reaction not of the people, but of the president. [/ quote]
And the president, as always, isn’t in the know
He will know about it (about raising taxes) when he gets paid
[quote = rotmistr60] And then it’s popular for the president to explain with numbers how wonderful it is. [/ quote]
[/


But not funny. It seems that he found out about the new cadastral value when calculating real estate tax.

[your1970]

Quote: sergo1914

But not funny. It seems that he found out about the new cadastral value when calculating real estate tax.

if it will be calculated as a market one, we will pay a penny
if we just double, we’ll pay -2-3 thousand
The owners of large plots in expensive places are afraid of this ...

[cast iron]

The owners of large plots long ago registered everything for pensioners and became disabled 1 group)))) It's funny that in the USA the state does not calculate the cost of your house and land - the tax is based on the amount in the contract for the sale))))) But in Russia let's go our own way - a fat official on a calculator determines the value of your only home, taking into account internal beliefs)))))

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

a fat official on a calculator determines the value of your only home, taking into account internal beliefs)))))

- if we go along the path of the USA - you will determine the value of your house with land at 42 rubles 16 kopecks (and for the remaining 2-3 million, the buyer will give you free money or give the debt). It won’t be like that, yeah, right now ..
This is in the funny USA for tax concealment give 20 - 30 years ...
They have already fed up on your suggestions.

[cast iron]

Therefore, we will follow the path of feudalism - the feudal lords on the ground will determine the cadastral value of housing and land on calculators, which will be 2-3 times higher than the market)))) Only in this way we will win!

[your1970]

Do you know a simple and reliable way to determine the basis for real estate and land tax? Share!
Z.Y. I'll quickly find a dozen holes in it - how to underestimate tax...

[cast iron]

Explain to the fool how the property tax in the US is considered. Why can't they cheat on the tax, but will we succeed? And for what reason is land where there is no road, no electricity, no communications, no gas at the cadastral value will be equal to the average for the region, i.e. tax will be levied on it in the same way as on land, where all these communications are built at the expense of the state, for example? It's also funny that the tax rate is determined from the ruble value of the house - the higher the value, the higher the rate. At the same time, neither inflation nor speculative growth in property prices is taken into account. And it's funny that about the cadastral value of the state, I will not buy real estate, if I suddenly refuse to pay tax and offer the state to buy the real estate from me at the cadastral value. In short, our beloved ghoulish state is thinking of how to rip off three more skins. But not from Sechin and Yakunin, but from Baba Vali and Grandfather Petit.

[Deck]

Why stand on ceremony. The election has passed. It's time for citizens to pay for the president’s election promises.

[Vladivostok1969]

That's right.

[sergo1914]

I propose a radical solution. Taxes are not taken at the interest rate, but the difference between the salary and the cost of living. The difference is in the budget. For enterprises - increase the premium from 30% to 100%. Then we will heal !!!

[karish]

Quote: sergo1914

I propose a radical solution. Taxes are not taken at the interest rate, but the difference between the salary and the cost of living. The difference is in the budget. For enterprises - increase the premium from 30% to 100%. Then livem !!!

that's for sure

[andj61]

Quote: sergo1914

I propose a radical solution. Taxes are not taken at the interest rate, but the difference between the salary and the cost of living. The difference is in the budget. For enterprises - increase the premium from 30% to 100%. Then we will heal !!!

The decision is really radical! Is that the whole difference between a living wage and a living wage to the budget? That is, so that everyone gets a minimum? And who then will work at all? And with such a premium, almost all enterprises will bend - there will be nowhere else to work! And then who will heal?

[Vadim237]

At all enterprises, 80% of labor will be automated.

[cast iron]

It will be in Japan. But not in Russia))))

[Vadim237]

There is already such a thing in Russia.

[cast iron]

I worked at 2 Russian factories)))) Before automation - the eternal abyss)))))

[rkkasa xnumx]

where does the state take money to implement everything that was announced as strategic goals in the president’s message to the Federal Assembly? Here, the government is accustomed to two ways: the first is to “go in Kudrinsky style” to unpopular reforms, including the pension one (and this can also “excite” the public), the second is to put on hold many presidential initiatives

The option that our oligarchs one way or another share a little "acquired overwork" is not even considered by the author

[Gardamir]

the author is not even considered

Well, the author understands that своих they won’t touch it anyway.

[Nehist]

It's too early to panic. And in general, draw conclusions too. We must look at the new composition of the government. If it does not radically change then there is reason to panic. And if it changes, you still need to wait for 2019 to have at least some idea of ​​the new composition and to understand the successors or guardians of the country.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Nehist

It's too early to panic. And in general, draw conclusions too. We must look at the new composition of the government. If it does not radically change then there is reason to panic. And if it changes, you still need to wait for 2019 to have at least some idea of ​​the new composition and to understand the successors or guardians of the country.

Why change it if it works satisfactorily?
To change the government, only presidential elections are needed, or what?
I have not succeeded before, and now I will not succeed. I am satisfied!

[Vladivostok1969]

But what does panic mean? Tell yourself and your wife that everything is lost! And then what? And if the composition of the government does not change dramatically, what is the point of waiting for 2019, too, if there was reason to even speak at the VO before the election. Now and after the inauguration already useless.

[aszzz888]

We believe that there are also reserves due to more complete tax collection.

And what, before that there was an incomplete "tax collection"?

[your1970]

Quote: aszzz888

We believe that there are also reserves due to more complete tax collection.

And what, before that there was an incomplete "tax collection"?

- 20% of the budget is given by the tax authority, and it should (like in the whole world !!!) give 90-95% ...

[Nix1986]

Instead of thinking about how to boost the economy and increase gross tax collection, raise current taxes. Super right and very smart, talks a lot about the brains and conscience of those responsible. We are probably in the first place on the annual restructuring of the tax code. I stopped buying it on paper a long time ago, because every year it is not weak and what is the tax planning, what is a stable business ...

[zyzx]

Yes, what do you understand in economics, monsieur! Global practice proves that raising taxes sharply stimulates business and raises the standard of living! It is necessary to make a tax like in developed countries about 50%, enough for us to fatten citizens! Our oligarchs began to lose the Saudi, it is a shame for the motherland!

[Nix1986]

In general, my thoughts are such, 15% is not limited, three years will pass, and they will say where 15% and 17% are. The goal may reach 18-20%, but it is clear that this will immediately cause a social explosion, therefore, a quiet glanders ... The second question is the long-term results of such steps as, for example, with the same VAT to 22%. After all, foreign investors do not even strive to enter our economy in connection with the policy of self-isolation, and what will happen when I can’t even build a business plan for at least three years, because I don’t know which state, in terms of fiscalization, will throw a fort, maybe it will also introduce a sales tax (sales tax). Yes, raising taxes in two or three years will give some increase in budget revenues, but then there will be a withdrawal of business from the country, an outflow of investors, a withdrawal of the remaining business in the shadows. I doubt that they do not understand this above. Most likely the task is to fill the budget during this term of the presidency of the GDP, and then the grass does not grow, then the new team will deal with such an inheritance.

[samarin1969]

State channels are already taming the brain to 15%. So there is a plan. And it’s hard to imagine that “someone” from the authorities is “not in the know”.
The “RF” has too many and expensive “management apparatus” (starting with the vice-premiers). Just for these 2%.

[Monster_Fat]

First of all, it is necessary to establish a record of what is exported-exported from Russia and why taxes and excise taxes are paid. The data that is provided for taxation has nothing to do with reality. According to foreign data, exports from Russia exceed the "official" Russian figures by 40-50%, and by 2 times for individual items. Secondly, to shake all the companies for double-entry bookkeeping, otherwise the revenue for companies operating in billions of rubles is “zero” or they work “at a loss.” Thirdly: remove the “VAT refund” system - there are sheer abuses through the car wash companies. Fourth, a real, not declarative fight against kickbacks and corruption. If all this is done, then it will not be necessary to raise the question of raising the income tax, in general ....

[Vladivostok1969]

Well, who would tell the government about it! Or maybe create your own alternative government. And we’ll live.

[your1970]

you

Quote: Monster_Fat

According to foreign data, exports from Russia exceed the "official" Russian figures by 40-50%, and by 2 times for individual items.

contradicts

Quote: Monster_Fat

Thirdly: remove the system of "VAT refunds" - there are continuous abuses through the "car wash" company.

the first position states that goods go through undervalued cost, the second - that the goods go at overpriced cost

I know from my own experience - that the bulk one-off exporters EXCEED prices, but stable suppliers (with large contracts) reduce the price of contracts

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: samarin1969

“tame the brain” to 15%.

As a result, they will come to a “compromise” of 14%, and everyone will be satisfied! Handsome!

[Mountain shooter]

Lord. The article claims nothing. These are rumors and gossip ... Siluanov is afraid to remain without work in May, but they are all afraid. So they began to fuss, the program is being prepared. But the liberal press, after a severe defeat in the election, spreads the rumors "Here, you have chosen, now bear it" ... There will be a lot of this "good" ... And VAT ... There was VAT 20%. Now it’s 18, if it’s 22, it’s not too noticeable. If you get 30 two percent - this is 000 packs of cigarettes per month. And in Germany, -5% personal income tax. Do you want, as in Germany?

[zyzx]

Not so much rumors and gossip that even the guarantor of the Minister of Finance called.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Do you want, as in Germany?

What the hell! It would be nice if we lived in Germany. They don’t complain, do they?

[Vadim237]

"They're not complaining, are they?" In Germany, prices have already fallen - so they will soon begin to complain.

[rennim166]

Well, the liberal press, after a brutal defeat in the election, spreads the rumors "Here you have chosen, now bear it"

I would like to clarify which, for example, the "liberal" newspaper spoke about this. And is she liberal?

[oracul]

Besides matyugov, nothing comes to mind when you hear the arguments of liberals such as Kudrin and Dvorkovich. Insolence rolls over - rob your own so that strangers are afraid. Money pets are protected from a progressive tax, but what difference does it make to people - 13-15%, all the same, real incomes are falling. The effect of the law of large numbers is known - tax collection will increase. It is understandable that we must cheer for the "poor" oligarchs and others like them, who have pumped hundreds of billions of dollars over a hill, and now are undergoing severe stress due to the threat of their weaning. But what is there to trifle, it is necessary to create an "all-Russian fund to support the elite (rich)" and chip in the whole world either who can or how much the people can withstand due to rising taxes, prices and tariffs. And he will withstand a lot, however, then a riot can happen, but that is later.

[Gardamir]

Besides matyugov, nothing comes to mind when you hear the arguments of liberals such as Kudrin and Dvorkovich

It was necessary to curse on March 18, now keep quiet.

[free]

Quote: oracul

Besides matyugov, nothing comes to mind when you hear the arguments of liberals such as Kudrin and Dvorkovich. Insolence rolls over - rob your own so that strangers are afraid. Money pets are protected from a progressive tax, but what difference does it make to people - 13-15%, all the same, real incomes are falling. The effect of the law of large numbers is known - tax collection will increase. It is understandable that we must cheer for the "poor" oligarchs and others like them, who have pumped hundreds of billions of dollars over a hill, and now are undergoing severe stress due to the threat of their weaning. But what is there to trifle, it is necessary to create an "all-Russian fund to support the elite (rich)" and chip in the whole world either who can or how much the people can withstand due to rising taxes, prices and tariffs. And he will withstand a lot, however, then a riot can happen, but that is later.

Who voted for?

[cast iron]

For the irreplaceable thing, of course)))) The question is not even in Putin, the question is, for whom did these aching whiners vote in 2016 at the municipal elections and the State Duma? I suspect that for the EdR capitalists)))))

[vaaaaadik]

What is the process called? My wife works as a teacher in a kindergarten, she came and cries even before the elections, all the bonuses were removed from them, but doctors and university professors received several times more salaries than they received, and here’s the answer from where they get the money, they remove it from some, increase it to others , certainly no stinky oligarch can put money out of his pocket. You’ll get a president!

[zyzx]

Quote: vaaaaadik

My wife works as a teacher in a kindergarten, even before the elections she came and cried, all the bonuses were removed from them, but doctors and university professors received several times more salaries

Factor of? At times this is 10, I did not notice, January, February, March were increased 1.5 times. But back in February (doctors), we signed an additional agreement to reduce the salary since April.

[a housewife]

Who distributes salaries in educational institutions? Putin? Ministry of Finance? Mayor And here is no - the director. Received at a rate for all employees, for example 300 thousand. The director distributes 20 thousand for 10 people, the rest is in his pocket., And then we can say that the allowances were removed, pay 9 thousand each, the director’s income increased, let those who are dissatisfied go complain. I was wrong?

[cast iron]

Are right. Such a system was made under the capitalists. Vote further for EdRo. Hang on and good mood!

[Vadim237]

We transfer each educational institution to labor cards, with one fund - which will transfer money every month.

[Whowhy]

Elderly people know how to correctly interpret the "official language": if TAM says that there will be no increase, then in the near future we will again have "cekc in a perverted form" .....

[arlekin]

Quote: whowhy

Elderly people know how to correctly interpret the "official language": if TAM says that there will be no increase, then in the near future we will again have "cekc in a perverted form" .....

“Do not believe good rumors, always believe bad ones. If there is a rumor that the water will be turned off, then it will be turned off. There was a rumor that they will demolish the house, that means they will, and that’s all. Because not only rumors from the decrees, but the decrees on rumors accept "M. Zhvanetsky

[Whowhy]

Well, they waited - and not a year has passed.

[vaaaaadik]

So let Dvorkovich pay 80℅, he won’t even get poorer because of that, but, for the common people, this is so awesome!

[Gardamir]

As is usually done. A law is adopted but does not enter into force. After some time, they had been waiting for several years before, but now there is no time, this law will come into force, they will say to indignant citizens, but you did not protest. And what to protest against? Act, no matter how.

[hbvkzyby]

My favorite thing is to rumor

[BecmepH]

Quote: hbvkzyby

My favorite thing is to rumor

Well, who is how ...
Rumors do not suck. Rumors discuss, or carry.
There are no rumors in our state. In the government, men are sitting, not yard grannies. If you stutter, so be it.
I envy you. You are naive.

[hbvkzyby]

You do not confuse naivety with cynicism. Source One Grandmother Said (one unnamed contradicts the second unnamed, and both were at that meeting). I do not use such nonsense in the analysis. I can drive it - there will be no increase in VAT or personal income tax. MET, export duties - will change. Another cutoff threshold for oil will increase (possibly). Direct taxes will not increase. Only excise taxes on alcohol and cigarettes (we fight for health). For everything there are calculations (more than once flashed) and justification.

[Loess]

In a publication citing, as already noted, unnamed sources, including (quote) "a person who knows about this from the participants in the (government) meeting",

The decision was finally not made, the official warns. Another says that “consensus has been reached.”

On the other hand, IF a government discussion on income tax increases did take place

The article is entirely based on the assumptions: if there was a meeting, if something was discussed at it, if this “something” is a tax increase, then ...

[andrej-shironov]

Alexei, you are enchanting in your optimism regarding the growth of the Russian economy! In the best case, the growth of the Russian economy at the level of statistical error, and in the worst, decreases! And as I wrote: they have chosen the current government again — eat with full spoons of its initiative! Her unsuitability and cunning! Almost none of the writers here have the right to criticize the Putin Government, because they themselves voted for these personalities! Be already consistent.

[rotmistr60]

Quote: rkkasa 81

It is interesting how two completely incompatible things can coexist in one head ...

First, to support does not mean to be unquestioning with all consonants. Apparently in your head there is only the slogan of "liberals" - down with GDP, to bow to the west. Sorry.

[free]

Quote: rotmistr60

Quote: rkkasa 81

It is interesting how two completely incompatible things can coexist in one head ...

First, to support does not mean to be unquestioning with all consonants. Apparently in your head there is only the slogan of "liberals" - down with GDP, to bow to the west. Sorry.

Do you a priori consider all power to the Soviets?

[rotmistr60]

Sorry, I forgot the "glorious" Grudinin millionaire and supposedly a communist. So that you don’t have any unnecessary questions, I’ll say that I was a member of the CPSU at one time, I didn’t throw my membership card like some, I didn’t curse the USSR, I voted for the party in the elections during the EBN. But despite what it turned into, the desire to support disappeared many years ago. And the “castling” with Grudinin only strengthened it.

[free]

Quote: rotmistr60

Sorry, I forgot the "glorious" Grudinin millionaire and supposedly a communist. So that you don’t have any unnecessary questions, I’ll say that I was a member of the CPSU at one time, I didn’t throw my membership card like some, I didn’t curse the USSR, I voted for the party in the elections during the EBN. But despite what it turned into, the desire to support disappeared many years ago. And the “castling” with Grudinin only strengthened it.

So I'm talking about the power of the people, not the Communist Party.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: rotmistr60

Apparently in your head there is only the slogan of "liberals" - down with GDP, to bow to the west.

So that you do not pass for a chatterbox, it would be nice to give examples from my kamenty, at least remotely resembling - "down with GDP, bow to the west".

[Romey]

Quote: rkkasa 81

Quote: rotmistr60

Apparently in your head there is only the slogan of "liberals" - down with GDP, to bow to the west.

So that you do not pass for a chatterbox, it would be nice to give examples from my kamenty, at least remotely resembling - "down with GDP, bow to the west".

And this turns on when essentially the Putinists have nothing to say. such is se la vi. By the way, where is Boris, Golovan Jack, Varyag 007 and turburis? Cedar, too, would do well to appear along with "sovereignty. Russia. Putin." Let them also be smart as it was before the election. And then, as slanderous slops on Grudinin, they are right there, but not gu-gu. And then the poor captain alone for the whole brigade of Zaputin's camarilla is blown away. Ugly, gentlemen!

[andrej-shironov]

So all of the above personalities have a rest. They were launched here before the elections, so that people like us, the administration of the site, would ban. Here is their task and level of argument.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: romey

and where is Boris, Golovan Jack, Varyag 007 and turburis?

Golovan is busy this week. At work.

Quote: romey

here no gu-gu

(lazily yawning): articulate the question clearly, please ...

[free]

So there are no answers to such questions in manuals, therefore they are silent, maybe they will pass for smart ones.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: free

because they are silent

Quote: romey

By the way, where is Boris, Golovan Jack, Varyag 007 and turburis?

I don’t understand something that you are all so excited.
You need to explain why your

Quote: free

... down with Putin, all power to the soviets ...

is there stupidity?
But ...

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: free

because they are silent

Quote: romey

By the way, where is Boris, Golovan Jack, Varyag 007 and turburis?

I don’t understand something that you are all so excited.
You need to explain why your

Quote: free

... down with Putin, all power to the soviets ...

is there stupidity?
But ...

Yes, please explain!

[Golovan Jack]

A-priory
And enough of you, you ask too many questions ... you are our curious

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

A-priory
And enough of you, you ask too many questions ... you are our curious

The cat knows whose meat has eaten! They said "a" to "b" there wasn’t enough fuse, do not worry, we are all people with whom it does not happen.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: free

we are all humans

Well, you look more like a bot ... a lot of noise, a little thought

[Altona]

Quote: rotmistr60

Yes, I am a supporter of GDP, but I have never expressed satisfaction with the work of the government. And do not tell me to keep silent or do something else. I'm not on your page.

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It is convenient to live in the paradigm "the king is good, the boyars are bad." The classic formula for wiring is "good and bad cop."

[rotmistr60]

It is convenient to live in the paradigm "the king is good, the boyars are bad."

Do not consider others more stupid than yourself. Oh, the "paradigm" (as you put it) I somehow choose myself, because I also remember N.S. Khrushchev well.

[rennim166]

Quote: rotmistr60

The lousy practice of the government is to throw in and look at the reaction not of the people, but of the president. If you haven’t called to the carpet, then you can implement another liberal idea in life. And then it’s popular for the president to explain with numbers how wonderful it is. And adviser Kudrin with his proposals is no longer just annoying, but provokes hatred.

It turns out that the "sun-faced" is either a nonsense trusting the environment, or completely agreeable. Or maybe just a weak one ...

[Monster_Fat]

It turns out that the "sun-faced" is either a nonsense trusting the environment, or completely agreeable. Or maybe just a weak one ...

And didn’t you hear him say that he has no reason not to trust the government and that he has no complaints about him (the government)?

[rennim166]

And didn’t you hear him say that he has no reason not to trust the government and that he has no complaints about him (the government)?

I heard a clear case. 76% didn’t hear ... Apparently ears are clogged with noodles ...

[Altona]

Quote: Gardamir

It was necessary to curse on March 18, now keep quiet.

-----------------------------------
Now yes, there will be a bitter hangover after the general euphoria of March 18th. But our people really love the king. Where to go? Forgive him the deprivation of life and treason.

[rennim166]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Alexei, you are enchanting in your optimism regarding the growth of the Russian economy! In the best case, the growth of the Russian economy at the level of statistical error, and in the worst, decreases! And as I wrote: they have chosen the current government again — eat with full spoons of its initiative! Her unsuitability and cunning! Almost none of the writers here have the right to criticize the Putin Government, because they themselves voted for these personalities! Be already consistent.

I would add those who are included in 70% of those who voted for Medvedev in 2008. Oh, and he, too, you supporters of the "sun-faced" well, you can not criticize. This is also Their choice.

[Denis Obukhov]

Of course, raising taxes exclusively on the rich and zealous patriots who have accounts and real estate abroad has long been necessary. But it is very doubtful and ridiculous to realize the Kremlin’s plans to increase living standards through taxes, and not by raising and improving the structure of the economy.

[Pavil144]

Someone wrote correctly, they will throw in the media so that the people are mentally prepared to raise the tax, but not sharply so as not to cause a stormy reaction of society. They’ll talk now and forget it, and then, maybe a year later in the news, in the last turn, so by chance: "The head of the Russian Federation has signed a law on raising taxes"

[Ace Tambourine]

But it’s interesting, why 15 and not 11%, what is the difference a couple of percent here or there, doesn’t that play a big role and it’s not very noticeable ?!

[SPACE]

All normal and capable citizens, individuals and legal entities, must and must maintain and provide for their state! This is the law by which everyone must pay tax. If even more money is needed to provide health care, education, defense, social and pension payments, then it is necessary to raise taxes. If you want to get off the oil needle, then you also need to increase taxes. The refusal to pay taxes is the refusal to support pensioners, the army, etc., which is a serious crime, who disagree.

[free]

Quote: SPACE

All normal and capable citizens, individuals and legal entities, must and must maintain and provide for their state! This is the law by which everyone must pay tax. If even more money is needed to provide health care, education, defense, social and pension payments, then it is necessary to raise taxes. If you want to get off the oil needle, then you also need to increase taxes. The refusal to pay taxes is the refusal to support pensioners, the army, etc., which is a serious crime, who disagree.

The state is different for the state! Do you know what the state is and what its goals are?

[SPACE]

Quote: free

The state is different for the state! Do you know what the state is and what its goals are?

The state is a mechanism created by the community of free people living in the country to ensure common and basic needs, law, internal security, and defense. Everything! The rest is at the request of citizens. The state is not obliged to look for work for you and give you a salary if you are not a civil servant or a pensioner ...
You, by voting method and by majority, give a power of attorney to the President to govern the state, if your power of attorney is not included in the majority list, you are in any case obliged to recognize their choice and continue to provide your state on equal terms with everyone. The state for its citizens cannot be bad, because it is yours, the state, this is you!

[free]

Quote: SPACE

Quote: free

The state is different for the state! Do you know what the state is and what its goals are?

The state is a mechanism created by the community of free people living in the country to ensure common and basic needs, law, internal security, and defense. Everything! The rest is at the request of citizens. The state is not obliged to look for work for you and give you a salary if you are not a civil servant or a pensioner ...
You, by voting method and by majority, give a power of attorney to the President to govern the state, if your power of attorney is not included in the majority list, you are in any case obliged to recognize their choice and continue to provide your state on equal terms with everyone. The state for its citizens cannot be bad, because it is yours, the state, this is you!

Holy naivete! Have you downloaded this from Wikipedia? I’ll tell you more simply, the state is a superstructure over society created to manage this very society. And on which class of society governs this superstructure (state) depends on whose (what class) interests the state will protect.If it is now a capitalist state (oligarchs at the head of the state), then such a state protects the interests of capitalists first of all, and exploits workers. Moreover, capitalists actively poison workers from different countries, inciting ethnic hatred, and then use the workers as cannon fodder.The state under the control of workers is obliged to provide the worker with work, decent pay, decent pension and many othersbut the state of capitalists relieves itself of all obligations to workers, deprives the worker of economic and political freedom, oppresses and exploits. So whose state is the Russian workers or oligarchs?You confuse the homeland of Russia and the state of Russia. We have one homeland and no one will take it away from us, and we no longer have a state.

[SPACE]

With paranoia, anything can seem, you can want and dream, too, about anything. The state physically cannot nurse you all xnumx
You are a free person, within the framework of the law, do what you want, go and earn money, live with dignity, if the mind allows. But do not forget to pay taxes.
I wonder how many pensioners will be able to receive pensions from the funds from your tax revenues?

Quote: free

You confuse the homeland of Russia and the state of Russia. We have one homeland and no one will take it away from us, and we no longer have a state.

Stalin is not on you!

[cast iron]

Social Darwinism in all its glory. Stuck in the 18th century. You would be in England of the 18th century - you would get complete freedom of self-realization and the opportunity to "live with dignity")))))

[free]

Quote: SPACE

With paranoia, anything can seem, you can want and dream, too, about anything. The state physically cannot nurse you all xnumx
You are a free person, within the framework of the law, do what you want, go and earn money, live with dignity, if the mind allows. But do not forget to pay taxes.
I wonder how many pensioners will be able to receive pensions from the funds from your tax revenues?

Quote: free

You confuse the homeland of Russia and the state of Russia. We have one homeland and no one will take it away from us, and we no longer have a state.

Stalin is not on you!

Dogs of the brain!

[Vadim237]

About 4000 senior citizens a year.

[Freelancer7]

As always - in order to have more money - you need to “rip off more!”, But no one is going to fight the outflow of capital from the Russian Federation ... We forgive the national debts of other countries ... I see that it would not hurt to streamline the ranks of the "reformers" by the Stalinist method. ..

[cast iron]

For whom they voted, they got it. Whining is not necessary. This is a conscious choice of the country's population. The population knows better what he needs. ;)

[Freelancer7]

Exactly, but Sobchak would have removed the tax altogether! That's it !!!

[cast iron]

Sobchak is a TV show for women. As well as all other "candidates")))))

[Freelancer7]

Well then, are you hinting that you should have been nominated? Would you settle it ?!

[cast iron]

I would not even steal. I wouldn’t steal at all. At least some plus.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

I would not even steal. I wouldn’t steal at all. At least some plus.

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"If you take a little from a lot, then this is not a theft, but simply a sharing!" © folk ...

[Freelancer7]

Everyone thinks so at first, but to see something in the mind happens when the feeder is at arm's length ...

[cast iron]

Tell comrade Lenin about this. Comrade Stalin. Tell comrade Dzerzhinsky. Comrade Molotov and Zhdanov. Tell us how they stole billions from the country. Have a good laugh together.

[Freelancer7]

There was your bias ... you don’t want to denounce the neighbors who have a one-room apartment, go down the forest for 10 years, and your treshka leaves them?

[Quintus sertorius]

The article discusses some rumors. In the comments - already a panic. No one - neither the author nor the commentators know what the economic effect of these measures will be. But then all non-economic economists. Fighters with the regime! Take already choleretic and calm down.

[Romey]

We’ve been taking it for 27 years, but the trouble is that the causes of the disease do not want to be eliminated. Apparently, operational methods of intervention cannot be dispensed with. Alas!

[cast iron]

And here came the defender of "unpopular" measures)))))

[tank64rus]

Liberals began provoking this in their style. Wait for new initiatives.

[sapporo1959]

And don’t say! These liberals are completely overwhelmed. They will also say that you will have to pay for pepelatsi and gravity, even though Putin said that we have them almost for free ...

[tanit]

And there was an article about pensions on the Reporter subsidiary. A short meaning - only men will pay pensions. Let her here too. What rave, so rave

[Altona]

Quote: rennim166

I would add those who are included in 70% of those who voted for Medvedev in 2008. Oh, and he, too, you supporters of the "sun-faced" well, you can not criticize. This is also Their choice.

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Honestly, everyone who came to the polls voted for Putin. I generally intentionally ruined the newsletter, but we created a turnout. In this election of power, only appearance was important. It’s not in vain that the GDP said thanks again in a separate speech.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

It is a pity that few understood this. People still think that something depends on their choice.

[cast iron]

People still think that Putin cares about how ordinary people live in Russia))))))

[IS-80_RVGK2]

This is not about Putin, but about the system itself. Are there Putin, whether there is him, the capitalists do not care about the interests of the people. Putin or someone else at the helm, with all desire, will not be able to go across the power of the ruling class. Until the people realize that they should join the government and begin to participate in government, which means, among other things, fighting and asserting their rights and taking responsibility for decisions made, nothing will change until then.

[cast iron]

Yes, I am aware that our leader is a direct continuation of the economic formation)))) How do you propose people to "fight" with the oligarchs? Rallies are actually forbidden, and they do not decide anything by and large. Catch up on the riot police, otdubshite all and the end. The media absolutely everything bought and resold - illuminate the bourgeois point of view. How to fight, if you work 10 hours a day, you spend 3 hours on the road. And so a lot of people live? The people's revolution of 1917 happened thanks to a miracle - a huge number of factors came together. This fatigue from a terrible war, and the bourgeois coup and the overthrow of the Romanovs (the capitalists sat at the helm) and the inability of the Provisional Government to manage anything at all))) Now there are no such factors. Nobody will run to the barricades. We have not yet become impoverished as in Ukraine.

[Altona]

Quote: rotmistr60

Do not consider others more stupid than yourself. Oh, the "paradigm" (as you put it) I somehow choose myself, because I also remember N.S. Khrushchev well.

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It is your right to choose whom, no one will take it from you. It is simply hard to imagine that a “good” king put up with a “bad” government. Nobody pushed you to put a tick in the ballot, but who forces the GDP to confirm the composition of the unpopular government?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Here it is a feature of the liberalists ..! And I think where they all bastards disappeared?
Caught and wailed here .. KUDRIN yelled, etc. he he
And away we go, for joy ..?
The Russian economy is gaining momentum, and with your squeal you confirm this ALL!

[sapporo1959]

Well, build up is not harmful! But I would like to see a growth in my wallet ..

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: sapporo1959

Well, build up is not harmful! But I would like to see a growth in my wallet ..

In Russia, this will not work (to make us consumers think of their stomach, etc. ...!))))
We have our own ECONOMY and it is difficult for some to understand.
Russians are concentrated in everything ..! And there be what will happen if they try to stop us ..

[sapporo1959]

Do I see everything in the fight? Have a rest at least sometimes, otherwise you’ll lose a kosochka, and here the State Department is in the sandbox ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: sapporo1959

Do I see everything in the fight?

So far there is ..

Quote: sapporo1959

Have a rest at least sometimes, otherwise you’ll lose a kosochka, and here the State Department is in the sandbox ...

Don’t worry about me. I all know where it’s shot and it’s better not to stick your head out.
Eh, is that a lot of you such "survivors" divorced for me? (I don’t have time to answer directly))))) Soon you will bite all languages ​​.. Here we will talk!

[sapporo1959]

So I don’t worry, I just advise. The head is still useful. Sit down at the table, and what to eat? And languages ​​bitten by what to watch? So take care of your head in order to see victory ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: sapporo1959

So I don’t worry, I just advise. The head is still useful. Sit down at the table, and what to eat? And languages ​​bitten by what to watch? So take care of your head in order to see victory ...

Old Man do not like to smell ..? Well, go on ... With such, I have a short conversation! I do not like traitors ..

[free]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: sapporo1959

So I don’t worry, I just advise. The head is still useful. Sit down at the table, and what to eat? And languages ​​bitten by what to watch? So take care of your head in order to see victory ...

Old Man do not like to smell ..? Well, go on ... With such, I have a short conversation! I do not like traitors ..

Stop talking to Meehan, speak essentially where and in what we grow.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Stop talking to Meehan, speak essentially where and in what we grow.

This whining is not my thing .. Need to work for the good of Russia! We have chosen the right direction .. So far there has been no special growth, but the foundation for the future has been laid and not bad (thanks to sanctions) We’ll rearm the Army and Navy, and there will be a breakthrough in the economy .. I just don’t need to whine about starving pensioners and corrupt officials, etc. .d. Break through!

[free]

Quote: MIKHAN

Stop talking to Meehan, speak essentially where and in what we grow.

This whining is not my thing .. Need to work for the good of Russia! We have chosen the right direction .. So far there has been no special growth, but the foundation for the future has been laid and not bad (thanks to sanctions) We’ll rearm the Army and Navy, and there will be a breakthrough in the economy .. I just don’t need to whine about starving pensioners and corrupt officials, etc. .d. Break through!

So yes, your chip to throw empty slogans.
The Russian economy is growing. Your?
We have our own ECONOMY. And this?
If we find ourselves wrong and the GDP changes course, real things begin, and the state turns its face to the people. I will apologize first to you and the GDP. Will it go?
But if on the contrary, you will stop throwing meaningless slogans and start thinking. Is it coming?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

If we find ourselves wrong and the GDP changes course, real things begin, and the state turns its face to the people. I will apologize first to you and the GDP. Will it go?
But if on the contrary, you will stop throwing meaningless slogans and start thinking. Is it coming?

No, it does not go dear .. We are with you on the opposite side of the trenches.!
People like you always choose an advantageous position .. It is always easy to criticize and humiliate! Since 2000, Russia has made a huge breakthrough and it terribly enrages you all and the West especially ..
The caravan goes, the dogs bark ..! These are the things in the Russian armored forces!

[naidas]

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Quote: MIKHAN

Russian economy is growing

RIA Novosti: production of rubber products increased the most capacity (+ 115% since 2000).
Yes, there is no screech, but laughter.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: naidas

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Quote: MIKHAN

Russian economy is growing

RIA Novosti: production of rubber products increased the most capacity (+ 115% since 2000).
Yes, there is no screech, but laughter.

Well, laugh, make sure that the hole is not there))))

[ltc35]

Here in China and the United States the largest number of billionaires. And what is the scale of taxation? Maybe those who know will enlighten me. True, I don’t know ...

[cast iron]

In China, all conditions for medium and large businesses are created. Do not be surprised if taxes are low. But the system is such that for non-payment of low taxes you will be asked very very harshly.

[16112014nk]

And if you make 11% tax instead of 13% - is the difference dramatic or not? We need to find out from Dvorkovich.

[cast iron]

Seductive things say. Are you an agent of the West? Do not rock the boat! All vote for 15% !!!

[naidas]

It seems to squeeze in excess of the revenues of government officials from the realm of fiction.

[cast iron]

If suddenly someone forgot, exactly before the collapse of the ruble in 2014, officials raised their own z.p. exactly 2 times. Thus offset the full collapse of the national currency.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

If suddenly someone forgot, exactly before the collapse of the ruble in 2014, officials raised their own z.p. exactly 2 times. Thus fully compensated for the collapse of the national currency

-that is from this place in more detail: who, at what level, 2 times the salary or salary?
Intrigue....

[cast iron]

The news of November 13, 2013, following the very first links in Yandex and Google - State Duma deputies raised their salaries to 450 rubles. Exactly 000 times. I understand that people have a short memory. Nobody remembers anything. And then, from the middle of 2, the ruble collapsed.

[Mikhail Anokhin_2]

With taxes you need to not just do something, but radically revise the practice of introducing taxes and fees in general!
Of course, the first step is to introduce a progressive income tax scale from a maximum of 30% to a minimum of five percent. The numbers can of course be different, but within these limits.
And all possible levies are established exclusively by federal law. They must be administered by tax authorities.

[cast iron]

Now the Kremlin boats will come running with terrible lamentations that everyone will all go into the shadows with such taxes and no one will pay at all)))) Exactly the same gavriks run in when you start offering confiscation of property from bribe takers and their relatives.

[free]

Quote: cast iron

Now the Kremlin boats will come running with terrible lamentations that everyone will all go into the shadows with such taxes and no one will pay at all)))) Exactly the same gavriks run in when you start offering confiscation of property from bribe takers and their relatives.

And what then are the departments concerned to us once they cannot trace?

[your1970]

Quote: Mikhail Anokhin_2

And all possible levies are established exclusively by federal law. They must be administered by tax authorities.

-And you do not know what ALL state taxes and duties established Tax code? that the local administration can only change the numbers (if allowed by the Tax Code) and not can introduce your own?
or do you also attribute the requisitions in the kindergarten "curtain" to the "fees-requisitions"?

[rvn69]

When an old man or old woman turns 70, the village and family should no longer feed the useless mouth. The eldest son on his shoulders should take the elderly person to the top of Mount Narayama to die of hunger and thirst. "The Legend of Narayama" (film, 1983) by Japanese director and screenwriter Shokhei Imamura.

You can take into service.

[egod]

Kudrin to send somewhere to Ukraine. There are such figures, oh, how you need!

[Vadim237]

There is already its own economic and space space - all the money disappears.

[a housewife]

your1970,
Therefore, I am against him at all. How much about it is possible. Won today, one is also very "smart." And they will forget about him forever, except for the victims.

[a housewife]

your1970,
Well, who told me that? BTI. I have a private house, I just have to know everything related to this. And then, my neighbor and a good friend work for BTI. Everything is correct. Why do I know that this is not an innovation? When I was little, we had a big family, the house was built in the 50s. Then the old ones died, the young ones got apartments, only one grandmother remained. I decided everything that I had underestimated, put in order. It was necessary to put the house into operation. She didn’t do it - "you have 2 houses on the site." And it was a small hut in which they lived while they were being built. "Tear down!". And she felt sorry, she asked, they explained to her - you are removing the roof, it is believed - there is no structure. There is a roof, even on 4 pillars - a structure! Then it was such a courtyard for hens with chickens. Everything is planned in our plan now, up to and including the canopy. So I know - I’m writing.

[gladcu2]

Yeah ... the girls are not the same ...

The tax can grow only with the growth of labor productivity. And not at the expense of increasing the working week.