The latest RK Avangard was included in GPV-2027. Boundary and Barguzin removed

As reported by TASS, citing a source in the Russian defense-industrial complex, the strategic hypersonic missile complex Avangard of mine base is included in the state armament program up to 2027, it will replace the mobile RK Rubezh.

It was originally planned to include Avangard and Frontier in the GPO, but later it became clear that there was not enough money to finance these two sets of funds simultaneously. Therefore, Avangard was included in the final version of the HPU as having more importance for ensuring the country's defense capability.

- says the source

Also, due to the impossibility of simultaneously financing all missile programs in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces, the new barguzin combat railway missile system is not included in the HPV-2027.

All work on the "Frontier" and "Barguzin" frozen until the end of the year 2027. The decision to resume this work will be made after the implementation of the current weapons program.

- noted the source.

Comments

[vorobey]

I can even guess why they froze the barguzin ... they will cook for a promising rocket .. and it’s unlikely that they will have completely frozen .. so .. partners wash their ears

[askort154]

vorobey ..... so .. partners wash their ears.

This is the "nest egg" for the "partners" in the next appeal to the Federation Council.

[Dreamboat]

"All work on the" Frontier "and" Barguzin "frozen until the end of 2027."

[Ascetic]

Quote: vorobey

I can even guess why they froze the barguzin ... they will cook for a promising rocket .. and it’s unlikely that they will have completely frozen .. so .. partners wash their ears

This is the armored train that stands on the siding. Partners already take off the hat getting ready for mine clearance

[reservist]

armored train that stands on the siding

This is how many armored trains stand on the siding ...

[Mih1974]

Unfortunately - the geek Serlyukov put under the “knife” all armored trains and steam locomotives that were “on conservation”. Rather, the bastard would die and bury him in glass wool.

[reservist]

If you go from Central Asia to Russia, then along the road, hundreds of steam locomotives are on "conservation".
Are they all under the knife?
Or do they belong to Kazakhstan?
Probably already preserved there

[Artek]

Putin is usually not responsible for his words, is it worth it to believe?
-doubling gdp no
- there is no decent life for the people
-no lower fish prices
-to strengthen the position of the Russian language -no
-reinforcing Russia's position on foreign policy -no, overlaid on all sides
- slowdown in the economy and ruin of entrepreneurs, yes

in general, what can I write to my own pluses? What is the general outcome of the board for 18 years? In addition to the election results from 74% to 76%, there are no achievements.
So what will be there in the military commissar is not known, however there will be many words, that's for sure.

[DenZ]

It would be interesting to know the results of your life (achievements) over the past 18 years. We would gossip, compare.

[Yrec]

Do you think that Putin personally should have done all of the above? This is not a personal task for Putin, but for all of us. This is the psychology of "waiting."

[vorobey]

Quote: Yrec

"waiting."

Thank you Yuri .. I will definitely remember this word.

[NN52]

Artek

Did they send you a new training manual?
Everything, calm down, the election is over, drink some water.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Artek

in general, what can I write to my own pluses? What is the general outcome of the board for 18 years?

Who is interested, he knows. Apparently, in the 90s, you were still cocoa in diapers or even not a sperm. And I don’t want to return there anymore. When Soviet officers had to "shuttle" to Poland to feed their families. Say hello to Navalny, young troll. Some kind of rotten training manual sponsors sent you.

[Alf]

Putin didn’t have time to sit on the throne, when the bill was already being discussed on raising income to 15% and increasing VAT from 18 to 22%.
Aw, zaputintsy! Explain this tricky plan.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Alf

the bill was already being discussed on increasing income to 15%, increasing VAT from 18 to 22%

Give a link to the "bill" ... please
* reference:
1. Any bill has a number. No number - no "bill."
2. Draft laws are posted on special sites (do not offer tape.ru).

[Alf]

Read the news.

[Golovan Jack]

Once.
So where is the “bill”?
And netuti

[Days]

Quote: Artek

Putin is usually not responsible for his words, is it worth it to believe?

Cons are simply necessary for this site.

[Artek]

Quote: Dagen

Quote: Artek

Putin is usually not responsible for his words, is it worth it to believe?

Cons are simply necessary for this site.

in fact, it’s not enough to protest the pull, only to grit your teeth.

[Days]

What are you pulling, Paul, and where?

The doubling of GDP in rubles was achieved in 2006, and in dollars at the time of 2014 it was not enough 6% before doubling (94% at that time was).

Your training manual is out of date, so there is a complete analysis of your nonsense here: https://ruxpert.ru/index.php?oldid=199743

But how nothing is “built” in Russia, enlighten:
1) https://ruxpert.ru/Large_Russian_projects
2) https://sdelanounas.ru

[Artek]

Quote: Dagen

What are you pulling, Paul, and where?

The doubling of GDP in rubles was achieved in 2006, and in dollars at the time of 2014 it was not enough 6% before doubling (94% at that time was).

Your training manual is out of date, so there is a complete analysis of your nonsense here: https://ruxpert.ru/index.php?oldid=199743

But how nothing is “built” in Russia, enlighten:
1) https://ruxpert.ru/Large_Russian_projects
2) https://sdelanounas.ru

and they say all this lies
http://www.bbc.com/russian/business/2015/03/15033
1_russia_increase_gdp_twice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YoXSPlKXs
Yes, I myself see that OURS IS NOTHING, everything is imported, what are you driving?

[Days]

Haha, re-read the article that you threw off, Pavel, there the same words about 94% are given

[Artek]

Quote: Artek

Quote: Dagen

What are you pulling, Paul, and where?

The doubling of GDP in rubles was achieved in 2006, and in dollars at the time of 2014 it was not enough 6% before doubling (94% at that time was).

Your training manual is out of date, so there is a complete analysis of your nonsense here: https://ruxpert.ru/index.php?oldid=199743

But how nothing is “built” in Russia, enlighten:
1) https://ruxpert.ru/Large_Russian_projects
2) https://sdelanounas.ru

and they say all this lies
http://www.bbc.com/russian/business/2015/03/15033
1_russia_increase_gdp_twice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YoXSPlKXs
Yes, I myself see that OURS IS NOTHING, everything is imported, what are you driving?

Thus, if we adjust for inflation, by 2013 Russia's GDP increased by only 2003% compared to 48,14.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/03/2015/551a86c99
a7947b0f971d1d2

you don’t even know how to read correctly.

[Days]

The website of Rosstat does not have the data referred to by RBC, the link leads nowhere (!). There are not for 2013 in 2008 prices, there are only for 2011, and the amount is one and a half times higher

And here is the statistics at current prices of measured years (for which inflation is not taken into account): http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/vvp/vvp-god/t
ab1.htm

2003: 13208.2 trillion rubles
2013: 73133.9 trillion rubles

In 2013 prices, the first figure turns into 33886.51. Now you have two figures in 2013 prices, and taking into account inflation. They taught you to add two plus two at the USE, or only read propaganda articles?

[RASKAT]

There’s some kind of confusion in my opinion, Isn't Vanguard and Boundary the same rocket? It seems that they were developed by the same MIT plant, perhaps this is a mine and mobile complex? Or maybe this work was carried out under the name Rubezh and then the rocket was given the name Vanguard? Something I'm completely confused.

[NEXUS]

Quote: RASKAT

There’s some kind of confusion in my opinion, Isn't Vanguard and Boundary the same rocket?

There is no confusion. There is an ICBM Rubezh (Vanguard), and there is a hyper-speed glider Yu-71 Vanguard. Therefore, ICBMs are now called Rubezh (RS-26), so that there is no confusion.

[NEXUS]

Quote: vorobey

and it’s unlikely that they completely froze ..

I also think that this is disa for general use. We need BZHRK no less than Sarmat. I was sure that the ICBM Rubezh would be on it, but apparently they were thinking of putting something more efficient ...

All work on the "Frontier" and "Barguzin" frozen until the end of the year 2027. The decision to resume this work will be made after the implementation of the current weapons program.

ICBM Frontier is not so much for hello mattresses as Europeans like. And again, there are doubts that the projects froze. Strong doubts.

[gippernano]

I think this is a liberal fake. They decided to transfer everything for money. What about us? We are sure that even without a barguzin we will break through their full of holes.

[Beltasir matyagu]

gentlemen of the planet pressed

[Stas Snezhin]

mine based will replace мобильный

It’s strange if only to mount around Moscow ..

[Alexey-74]

If the "Vanguard" really confirms its performance characteristics, then I think this is enough for the US ....

[Herculesic]

It’s bad, we put aside too much on “later,” but only knowing how we deal with personnel on the ground, there will simply be nobody to do much of this “later”.

[Bastion Eagle]

We can’t afford to tear ourselves!

[Nikolaevich I]

Well ..... how interesting it all began! "Vanguard" .... "Boundary" ... "Barguzin" -song! And suddenly the "family" showdown began: there are not enough tugriks! But even in the “terribly funny” 90 I suggested creating a sharashka like “defense fund”! (I even wrote kudy something ... kudy, I don’t remember anymore ...) And now you could “throw a cry”! And what? To us, pensioners, tempered by devaluations, defaults and world crises in a single country, everything is already purple in an orange frame made of elephant shit! But there is one esoteric assumption ... our "socially pro-populous in the 3 generation" government will again disdain the people's penny! Well shaw here escho stir up? Asya ???

[Zubr]

Well right, why spend the extra money when this complex provides nat. Security is more than enough. GDP AND CABIN have the next term, social transformations should be. Everything seemed to be settled with the defense industry.

[Alf]

Quote: Zubr

social transformations should be.

They will be. The only question is, which way will they be? Another cost optimization?

[Zubr]

Quote: Alf

They will be. The only question is, which way will they be? Another cost optimization?

Well, we can only guess about it.
Well, first of all, he needs to change the prime minister and thoroughly work with the cab. ministers.
And to force by hook or by crook the legislative and executive branch to work not only in your pocket. I do not belong to any party at all, but my opinion is that the prime minister and the minister of social and economic development should be like our gene. headquarters. with the most severe control at all levels of government and control over every penny.
Well this is my vision of the situation. I think many here will support me.

[rocket757]

Already enough of everything, send the earth to the Stone Age, if not worse!
Promising how to bask on other physical ones - something like this, you need to work on the topic! Schaub did not be naked for ---- loin, facing a new threat.

[Ascetic]

From the point of view of finance, it is most rational to use the available media, now it is the famous Soviet weavingUR -100nUTTH on which this combat equipment was tested, the more Stylets are in service in the Tatishchevsky rd in the amount of approx. 30PU. Basically, these are new missiles given by Ukraine for gas debt. As the hundredths are reduced and about 50 pieces are placed on the Sarmat DB in two Siberian taxiways, the block will be placed on new missiles. Moreover, according to some data from open sources, the nuclear material capacity is 2 megawatts in TNT equivalent. If Stiletto is capable of carrying only one such BB, then Sarmat, given its MGH, is clearly more than one.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Ascetic

If Stiletto is capable of carrying only one such BB, then Sarmat, given its MGH, is clearly more than one.

Sarmat is a continuation of the P-36 line, and accordingly it should have both a monoblock and an RGCh.

[voyaka uh]

I wang: everyone, except Sarmat and Dagger, will freeze out 6 horror stories.
Sarmat is real, the technology of liquid ICBMs is well known to Russians.
The dagger is already ready - this is Iskander. No need to invest.

[Town Hall]

Sarmat is real, if only because it is necessary to replace expired missiles with something. The dagger, too, if only because it is not a hypersonic guided missile)

[rocket757]

And if you don’t make it? Will you eat a bale?

[Ascetic]

Quote: voyaka uh

Wanggui: from 6 horror stories, everyone except Sarmat and Dagger will freeze.

Sema do not tell .... she’s already funny, no matter how much you vang, you will never wait for such a weapon until the arrival of Moshiach. And there are still classified projects at the testing stage, they also need funding, because the terrible Iskander is already yesterday for us, but reality is unattainable for you. So, it is better to tell tales about the invincible Jewish army. We listen to syntheses and rejoice for you

[Egorovich]

Both Rubezh and Barguzin, and most likely Zircon, were conducted nominally, to cover up the eyes of potential enemies. To hide the work on the “Vanguard”, “Dagger” and other developments shown by Putin, which is perfectly possible.

[voyaka uh]

"were conducted nominally to cover the eyes of potential enemies." ///

All right. This continues.

[DMB_95]

Quote: voyaka uh

All right. This continues.

Information from reliable sources, or suggest you just take a word?

[Egorovich]

Therefore, all the trash and saliva choked with anger that the train had left, but they remained in place. Are you with them

[mavrus]

Quote: DenZ

It would be interesting to know the results of your life (achievements) over the past 18 years. We would gossip, compare.

He actually hit 18. Or he has not been in Russia the last since the 92nd year. Since, in another case, only a complete idiot could give an example of a comparison of 2000 and 2018 ... where not even 2, or even 3 times, but the standard of living has grown much more. Well, the bukhtel about the 14th ... What the last 4 years ... and further on in the text, it might have rolled. And so complete idiocy.

[nickname7]

due to the impossibility of simultaneous financing

All work on the "Frontier" and "Barguzin" frozen until the end of 2027

In fact, it is possible to finance at the same time, subject to progressive taxation. The lords, billionaires and the Roselite, unprepared to sacrifice their super-profits and the financing of the military-industrial complex, go by the residual principle, after yachts and estates. Meanwhile, in the most developed countries, taxation is progressive.

[Old26]

Quote: vorobey

I can even guess why they froze the barguzin ... they will cook for a promising rocket .. and it’s unlikely that they will have completely frozen .. so .. partners wash their ears

Wash partners' ears without "having a promising rocket"? Purely in our opinion ... By and large, he, “Barguzin" is not needed nafig ... And it's good that they froze. It would be better to cancel it altogether. But the "Frontier" is sorry for him. He went through a flight test cycle ...

Quote: RASKAT

There’s some kind of confusion in my opinion, Isn't Vanguard and Boundary the same rocket? It seems that they were developed by the same MIT plant, perhaps this is a mine and mobile complex? Or maybe this work was carried out under the name Rubezh and then the rocket was given the name Vanguard? Something I'm completely confused.

There is not one. And even one of them is not a rocket. You know how the old joke about Chukchi: "I learned that Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels are not four, but two people, but GLORY OF THE CPSU not a man at all. " so here

The Rubezh is an light-class ICBM that, according to some reports, was supposed to carry a new type of military equipment (without a “bus”). "Vanguard" is a combat equipment, not a rocket.
In addition, MIT is not a plant. This is the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering - a design organization engaged in the creation of solid fuel rocket complexes.

Yes, initially the title of the topic “Frontier” was perceived by bloggers as “Vanguard”. Moreover, this topic “Frontier” was among the broader theme “Vanguard”. And for the first time this name "Vanguard" was sounded from the lips of Serdyukov in a report to the supreme. But then the name of the complex was announced - "Frontier".

Quote: NEXUS

We need BZHRK no less than Sarmat

Why do we need it so much? “Sarmat” can even be put after modernization of mines into mines from “Voevoda”, saving on the creation of new mines, but what about “Barguzin”? Not only that, instead of several divisions, as they are planning one under the USSR, all infrastructure will have to be created from scratch, and these are railway stations on the RPM of the regiments of the division. Consider the need to create five railway stations. To create a housing stock where rocket launchers will live, for those divisions that have been disbanded - housing has been transferred to municipal ownership. Carry out an audit of railways on a giant section of the Russian railway network. And where are you going to deploy another division. And the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces and the president said that the number of divisions will not increase. Spend gigantic sums to get zilch at the output? Do not forget that the enemy’s surveillance equipment did not stand still. And if the resolving power of the equipment of its satellites for the life of our BZHRK was about 4 meters, now it is 10-15 centimeters. To make a complex with the same functionality as Molodets, that is, with several locomotives - now such a composition will be detected at a time.
To do with one locomotive - the meaning of the BZHRK and its invulnerability is lost. What for it is needed at the same time, with trillion expenses on it ???

Quote: NEXUS

ICBM Frontier is not so much for hello mattresses as Europeans like. And again, there are doubts that the projects froze. Strong doubts.

And the fact that for three years he has not been accepted into service, although the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces said that he would be put into service in 2 divisions and speaks of nothing else? That it is frozen and not produced?

Quote: Alexey-74

If the "Vanguard" really confirms its performance characteristics, then I think this is enough for the US ....

What characteristics, if I may say so, are confirmed by Vanguard. Over the entire time, FOUR launches from the 13th Kure Division from the PR were carried out. Not along the "Water Area", where this block could maneuver, but directly along the Kura. From point a to point B. What did he show? What doesn’t fall apart at the entrance to the PSA and the calculations of the case will be returned ?? Showed. Fine. What has a fairly good CVO for him is most likely also shown. What can carry some load on board? And it showed. What else did he show from his performance characteristics ??? Maneuverable qualities ???

Quote: Ascetic

From the point of view of finance, it is most rational to use the available media, now it is the famous Soviet weavingUR -100nUTTH on which this combat equipment was tested, the more Stylets are in service in the Tatishchevsky rd in the amount of approx. 30PU. Basically, these are new missiles given by Ukraine for gas debt. As the hundredths are reduced and about 50 pieces are placed on the Sarmat DB in two Siberian taxiways, the block will be placed on new missiles. Moreover, according to some data from open sources, the nuclear material capacity is 2 megawatts in TNT equivalent. If Stiletto is capable of carrying only one such BB, then Sarmat, given its MGH, is clearly more than one.

Stanislav !!! Deployment of the "Vanguard" on the UR-100N UTTX is not from a good life. Those that were in the Tatishchevskaya division are already classified as undeployed and have zero combat equipment. What are these "gas" - no one knows. What require significant modernization work is not discussed. How the issue with the control system is resolved is unknown, but it is Kharkov in them.

Moreover, the 15Y71 experimental rocket, on which the 4202 product was tested, was not just a standard ICBM. It was a modernized rocket even with a different index - 15A35-71 (initially). then 15A71 and finally 15Y71. The difference from the standard one is that it is longer by about 7 meters. The Object 370, a mine from the R-36M UTTH in the 13th division, was specially rebuilt for it. So now it will take more than just "sorting out" 15A35, so bring them to version 15Y71, lengthening it and modernizing the silos. And this is not only money, this time ....

Quote: PSih2097

Sarmat is a continuation of the P-36 line, and accordingly it should have both a monoblock and an RGCh.

Purely conditional. The continuation of the R-36 - R-36M line was Icarus. But the fact that the Sarmatian can carry a different BO does not cause any doubt. What - wait and see

Quote: voyaka uh

I wang: everyone, except Sarmat and Dagger, will freeze out 6 horror stories.
Sarmat is real, the technology of liquid ICBMs is well known to Russians.
The dagger is already ready - this is Iskander. No need to invest.

I would rather say that everyone will freeze, except for “Sarmat” and “Vanguard”. The fact that the “Dagger” looks like an Iskander does not say that it is an Iskander, by the way, it’s shorter than the Iskander

Quote: Egorovich

Both Rubezh and Barguzin, and most likely Zircon, were conducted nominally, to cover up the eyes of potential enemies. To hide the work on the “Vanguard”, “Dagger” and other developments shown by Putin, which is perfectly possible.

Good eye glossing. Swelling hundreds of millions into a putty test. I would not mind if my eyes were so smeared, listing such amounts.
Can you imagine how much it cost Researchovskie and ROCovskie work on the "Frontier" ?? How much did his five trials cost? How much did it cost to create a launcher based on the MZKT, and then carry out similar work on the same launcher under the Platform program ??

With “Barguzin, everything is easier there, it is only at the initial stage, but some money was spent there for research. The money was allocated in the same way for the creation of rolling stock for this BZHRK. True, they are not commensurate with the costs of Rubezh and significantly less.

What it cost to create a working ramjet hypersonic engine for the Zircon, its development and a number of tests of the rocket itself. I'm not talking about research and development on the missile itself and on the mid-range research / development
That is, billions of dollars went to cover the eyes of the enemy? For what? Or do you think that the adversary had no information about any work on the Sarmatian and all these planning combat units? Well then you are naive. . You can view (if you know where) all launches with product 102 (the forerunner 4202, as well as tests 4202. When, where, at what time, how long did the flight last, etc.

[Thunderbolt]

BZHRK can be created for high-speed trains --- the mobility of such complexes will increase significantly. China has a good chance. Here they will have such a network by 2020. The question is whether it can compete with earth (mine) survivability complexes, and so It looks quite tempting.

[Palagecha]

Only an ordinary person can compare the even worse past with the worst present ... And only the complete one does not understand that a person’s life is ONE!

[Operator]

"Frontier" and "Barguzin" it was high time to start the firearms - absolutely stupid projects.

Now there is a process of optimizing the structure of the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation:
- in the existing mines of the Soviet “Voivode” put the Russian “Sarmat”;
- in the existing mines and mobile launchers of the Soviet “Topol” put the Russian “Yars”;
- the Sarmat and Yars combat equipment nomenclature includes Yu-71 guided warheads (with the goal of breaking through the atmospheric missile defense level) and Avangard planning warheads (to achieve a firing range of 20000 km and with the aim of breaking through the atmospheric missile defense level) ;
- in order to legally circumvent the limitations of the current strategic offensive arms treaty, sea-based intercontinental cruise missiles and Status-6 submarine unmanned aerial vehicles with a nuclear engine are added to the strategic nuclear forces.

With the help of intercontinental Kyrgyzstan and "Status-6," we can increase the number of our strategic nuclear forces many times, but the USA can’t, because all types of strategic nuclear forces are limited by the strategic offensive arms treaty

Well, the cherry on the cake - we also legally circumvent the limitations of the current treaty on the elimination of medium and short-range missiles using an air-based ballistic missile included in the Dagger complex - the number of our RSDs will be limited only by their MiG-31 or MiG-41 carriers .

The US response to our unconditional dominance in the nuclear missile sphere has not yet been voiced.

[Old26]

Quote: Thunderbolt

BZHRK can be created for high-speed trains --- the mobility of such complexes will increase significantly. China has a good chance. Here they will have such a network by 2020. The question is whether it can compete with earth (mine) survivability complexes, and so It looks quite tempting.

BZHRK under high-speed trains cannot be created. He has speed limits, and those who served in the Krasnoyarsk division said that when the BZHRK went to the Trans-Siberian Railway, hemorrhoids began for the Trans-Siberian Railway. For the speed of the BZHRK was lower (about a third) than the speed of trains on the highway. And only when he left the central branch "in a circle" did it stabilize there.
The Chinese have now tried to experiment with their DF-41 missile. creating a kind of BZHRK, but it immediately became clear that he didn’t foot on the high-speed sections of the highway.
Of course, BZHRK is lower in security than mine ones. And most importantly, its main disadvantage is that it is tied to a certain section of the road. He may not want to leave the district, for example Perm, where he used to be based - to the Far East. Each division had its own position area, where this train could receive all those signals that were intended exclusively for it.
Plus for unpaved ones - they are not tied to a piece of iron. Under START-1/2, a positional area of ​​250 square meters was limited at the bottom. km And even then, more than one regiment was not allowed to withdraw, because the Americans simply lost them ...
Silos, of course, are best protected, but their coordinates are known. The best option, of course, have a silos and PGRK. BZHRK on this "celebration of life" is extra

[Hiller]

I think that the information about Barguzin’s “freezing” is a cover from “sworn friends”. They are afraid of BZHRK as "devil incense."

[Serzh_R]

in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces, the new Barguzin military railway missile system is not included in GPV-2027.

And this is a truly unpromising complex in modern realities. Unless this is allowed in Europe.
Fans of armored trains will now cry ...

[keeper03]

We have not raised their salaries for five years, but you say all the money is gone !!! So where do you put them on, mother to mumble !!! More modest stealing is necessary comrades embezzlers!

[rocket757]

And who should pay for the new principles? Open budget + hidden budget + budget stolen, here they are, where the denyushki of the country are! Previously, for the homeland bins on particularly shiny ministers nodded, now the trend is different ....
We, in principle, do not raise a year’s identity, but compensate ... thanks to the good uncles of the capitalists. So at heart I support your indignation, but in my pockets it’s not empty, at least for now.

[Old26]

Quote: Mih1974

Unfortunately - the geek Serlyukov put under the “knife” all armored trains and paravozos that were “on conservation”. negative Would rather die bastard and bury him in glass wool.

What armored trains are you referring to? BZHRK?