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The project of the new launch vehicle “Soyuz-5” has been sent for revision

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The completion of the draft design of the new medium-class launch vehicle Soyuz-5 has been postponed to the end of this year, reports RIA News.




Earlier it was reported that preliminary design materials should be submitted to Roskosmos for approval at the end of January. 343 million rubles were allocated for the works.

Specialists have made comments on the draft design that need to be eliminated. In this regard, it was decided to finalize the documentation and not to consider separately the draft design of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle, and then the ground infrastructure project separately, on the scientific and technical council of Roskosmos. Instead, it was decided to complete the design of the entire space-based missile system as a whole, including the carrier, technical means and facilities necessary for launching, and to submit the finished project with the corrected comments at the end of the third quarter of 2018,
told the source.

According to another source, before making a decision, the issue of the Soyuz-5 was considered at the section of the scientific and technical council of Roskosmos on launch vehicles.

The submissions raised many questions
noted interlocutor.

The publication does not yet have official commentaries from RSC Energia and Roscosmos.

Rocket middle class "Soyuz-5", is being developed in Russia to replace the Ukrainian "Zenith". The carrier will be able to put into low orbit up to 17 t payload.

“The rocket is also planned to be used for promising manned programs. Its first launch is scheduled for 2022 the year when it will have to launch the new Russian spacecraft Federation from the Baikonur cosmodrome into near-earth orbit. In the future, it is planned to use the rocket also in the Sea Launch project, ”the publication says.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 22 March 2018 12: 22
    +2
    What does the Ukrainian Zenit and its replacement have to do with it? And how does Zenit relate to manned astronautics? Has it just suited the payload? That's all, there are flaws.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 22 March 2018 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      What does the Ukrainian Zenit and its replacement have to do with it? And how does Zenit relate to manned astronautics? Has it just suited the payload? That's all, there are flaws.


      I am an amateur and then I understand .. it's about the carrier of a manned ship .. lol
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 March 2018 12: 28
        +1
        "Zenith" -carrier of a manned ship? Yes, it is not directly said there. But still ..
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: 210ox
        What does the Ukrainian Zenit and its replacement have to do with it? And how does Zenit relate to manned astronautics? Has it just suited the payload? That's all, there are flaws.


        I am an amateur and then I understand .. it's about the carrier of a manned ship .. lol
      2. maxim947
        maxim947 23 March 2018 08: 54
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        I am an amateur and then I understand .. it's about the carrier of a manned ship ..

        It’s like a truck ... and, in fact, it’s the same Zenith, whether someone likes it or not. One thing is not clear, he will withdraw the Federation empty or with astronauts. If Soyuz-5 will also be piloted, then this is not even bad)
    2. Vard
      Vard 22 March 2018 12: 26
      0
      Here, delivery into orbit of cargo up to seventeen tons ... it's a truck ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 22 March 2018 12: 31
        +3
        [quote = Vard.Here delivery to orbit of goods up to seventeen tons ... this is a truck [/ quote]

        yeah ... truck ..

        “The missile is planned to be used for promising manned programs. Its first launch is scheduled for 2022, when it will have to launch the new Russian spacecraft Federation from the Baikonur Cosmodrome into low Earth orbit.
    3. mark1
      mark1 22 March 2018 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      What does the Ukrainian “Zenith” and its replacement?

      Soyuz-5 is a modernized Zenith. It is intended, like Zenit, to withdraw cargo manned by spacecraft (Federation, Zarya, respectively) and as blocks of the first stage of an extra-heavy launch vehicle (Phoenix, Energy "- respectively)
    4. Aqr009
      Aqr009 22 March 2018 13: 04
      0
      In Komsomolskaya Pravda written.
      In the coming days, the transaction will be completed on the purchase by S7 Space of the Sea Launch floating spaceport ...
      The private Russian company S7, owned by the millionaire Vladislav Filev, is going to resume launches [from it] in 2019.
      S7 Space at the Yuzhmash Ukrainian plant has already ordered twelve first and second stages of Zenit missiles. At the same time, most of the components and engines for Zenit are Russian. In general, everything is not easy. And the rocket itself has been over forty years old.

      Soyuz 5 could replace Zenit. But the other day, the general director of S7 Space, Sergei Sopov, (known for offering to take the Russian segment of the ISS in concession from 2024), at a meeting with young space enthusiasts, noted: a new rocket may not be suitable for Sea Launch in terms of characteristics and cost.

  2. vorobey
    vorobey 22 March 2018 12: 23
    +4
    I drew attention to another .. ours are preparing to replace the ISS? "Federation"
    1. Vard
      Vard 22 March 2018 12: 28
      +1
      Federation is a reusable manned spacecraft that should replace the Soyuz manned spacecraft and the Progress automatic cargo spacecraft
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          1. axxmanm
            axxmanm 22 March 2018 20: 55
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            Quote: slipped
            not in the ass, but in the head - he has a returnable apparatus reusable, up to 10 times can be used.

            what a cute naive
            1. axxmanm
              axxmanm 23 March 2018 19: 49
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              Quote: slipped
              not in LJ, but in the head - he has a returnable device that is reusable, up to 10 times it can be used.


              First, they write "reusable ship",
              when you indicate that this is a dumb bullshit,
              the lawyer of "reusability" Fedi resorts and indicates:
              ".. well, not a ship, but a CA (lander)",
              and then when (and I hope never, since the Union is better)
              Fedya will sit down, reuse some chair and solemnly exclaim:
              "Well, they did not believe that reusability exists? But does it exist !!!!!"
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                1. slipped
                  slipped 23 March 2018 13: 33
                  0
                  Dunno Kolya did not read TK and is not strong in terminology, one might even say - he is powerless.
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                  2. axxmanm
                    axxmanm 23 March 2018 19: 45
                    +1
                    In a discussion of a technical topic (not political even)
                    complain to the moderator is the bottom of a moral decline.
                    And all this "slipped" went, only for the sake of concealing his complete technical illiteracy in space subjects.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 24 March 2018 14: 17
                      0
                      smiled the "bottom of a moral decline" and the "concealment of complete technical illiteracy") if you can not distinguish the VA from the SA then say so. Why rush like poop?
                      1. axxmanm
                        axxmanm 24 March 2018 15: 00
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                        Quote: slipped
                        smiled the "bottom of a moral decline" and the "concealment of complete technical illiteracy") if you can not distinguish the VA from the SA then say so. Why rush like poop?

                        enlighten, shameful tapping, how in the context of KK VA differs from SA.? ..
                        Readers also see something zero in the space theme,
      2. axxmanm
        axxmanm 23 March 2018 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Vard
        Federation is a reusable manned spacecraft that should replace the Soyuz manned spacecraft and the Progress automatic cargo spacecraft

        PTK NP Federation is not a non-reusable spacecraft - they just found a buzzword and cover it with wretched designs and delayed deadlines.
        1. slipped
          slipped 24 March 2018 14: 22
          0
          Kolenka read this https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%
          D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_(%D0%BA%D0%BE
          %D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%
          D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8C)
          there, in the Characteristics section, everything is written
          1. axxmanm
            axxmanm 24 March 2018 15: 47
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            Quote: slipped
            there, in the Characteristics section, everything is written

            On the barn x .. it is written, and the girls checked - the wood is lying.
          2. axxmanm
            axxmanm 24 March 2018 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: slipped
            Kolenka read this https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%
            D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_(%D0%BA%D0%BE
            %D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%
            D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8C)
            there, in the Characteristics section, everything is written

            .. now I understand where slipped with superficial knowledge has such an obsession with the term VA (returning device) - in the characteristics of the PTK NP in the wiki article, VA is mentioned at the beginning, but if you were not too lazy to read further, you would go to:
            “A descent vehicle will land using three parachutes and a soft-landing rocket system.” .. even an amateur like you would realize that VA and CA are synonyms.
            And since SA is a more common term than VA, it is SA that is dedicated to a separate article on space capsules and spaceships being returned. in wiki so beloved by you ..
            I hope even the degree of your ignorance has reached you.
            Well, where ignorance - there is rudeness and squealing.
    2. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 22 March 2018 12: 28
      +2
      Ours are preparing the Federation to replace the Union. And about the ISS, it seems they are going to undock the Russian modules, and understaff. But the information is rumored.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 22 March 2018 12: 31
      0
      "Federation" stood in the form of a model for fifteen years, no less. It’s good that they budged (according to the message) ... And then we can stay on the beans ... More precisely, trampolines (according to Rogozin) ..
      Quote: vorobey
      I drew attention to another .. ours are preparing to replace the ISS? "Federation"
      1. slipped
        slipped 22 March 2018 19: 53
        +1
        He lied and did not cross himself. In 2011, a design layout was demonstrated:



        The real ergonomic model of the PTK NP was made in 2013 and was demonstrated in 2013-2015 at the MAKS. As well as structural elements: prototype seats and docking station. In addition, the VA and thermal protection options were demonstrated.



  3. Vard
    Vard 22 March 2018 12: 25
    0
    Again they are made in Samara ... at Progress ...
  4. jeka424
    jeka424 22 March 2018 12: 26
    0
    And what about the Hangar, who knows?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 March 2018 12: 44
      +3
      Everything is bad. Only 1 was sold a light rocket for launch in 2020 with a Korean satellite. There are no other business load contracts.

      No contracts - no money and no interest to force. There will be launches after the 20 year. It seems like this year (in general in 2016 - but transfers are the norm, so it’s not a fact that it’s not in 19 or 20) they should launch a military satellite from Plesetsk - but it will already be clear by the time.

      And so - there are no contracts, no intensive launch program. Everything is logical.
      1. Vadmir
        Vadmir 22 March 2018 14: 04
        +1
        no contracts, no intensive launch program
        There will be no launches and no orders - the circle has closed.
        We need to load our satellites, there will be good statistics on launches and orders.
      2. slipped
        slipped 22 March 2018 20: 07
        0
        Not bad at all. In TsNIIMash tests of the new assembly URM-1, already Omsk, are underway.

        Based on the test results, this year, a decision will be made to continue flight tests from Plesetsk under a contract with the Ministry of Defense. In total, six heavy and three light rockets will be involved in flight tests.

        The missile is being created to replace the Proton-M launch vehicle. Launches of Proton-M and Proton-Medium from Baikonur will continue under the international program until 2025. The light Angara-1.2 is flying from Plesetsk, both in federal and in commercial programs.

        At the same time, tests of the Angara missile complex on Vostochny, after its creation, will be until 2025, the launch of three Angara-5 missiles in 2021,2024 and 2025.

        The Angara-5 rocket will be put into commercial operation after the completion of the Proton program.
  5. Yrec
    Yrec 22 March 2018 12: 26
    +3
    343 million only for the sketch ????? So I live like this. For this money, you could already configure and test flying models.
    1. CooL_SnipeR
      CooL_SnipeR 22 March 2018 12: 40
      +3
      In the PH millions of ion parts are not just drawn on the fence, but depend and complement each other + sopromat. This is not for you to collect rockets in the PCB bully
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 22 March 2018 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: Yrec
      343 million only for the sketch ????? So I live like this. For this money, you could already configure and test flying models.

      What in this case is understood as a “sketch” is apparently infinitely far from your understanding. Do you really think that for $ 6 million you can completely design, build and test a sample! ??
      1. Yrec
        Yrec 22 March 2018 12: 56
        +2
        I think that in this case the sketch is understood as a "digital double" (you know what it is?). Now it has become very fashionable with us. I had a discussion not so long ago with the vice-rector of the St. Petersburg Polytechnic (responsible for just that) about this. He could not answer me many questions. There is a big difference between those who make such “sketches” and reality. The technique of creating a "digital double", in my opinion, is extremely imperfect. Hence the big expenses and a very modest result.
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 22 March 2018 13: 05
          +2
          I think that in this case the sketch is understood as a "digital double" (you know what it is?).

          I came across a similar scheme of a 3D model for the modernization of the technological complex. In this case, I think this method is used to verify the calculations when working out the sketch.
          1. Yrec
            Yrec 23 March 2018 13: 55
            0
            This is not just a 3D model, but completely the entire documentation plus the entire test cycle in the virtual, economic calculations, all processes, routings, staffing - that's all. Without a scrap of paper. And the funny thing is that this is done, in fact, not by people, but by pseudo III on a supercomputer. People only drive in the initial parameters.
  6. Samara_63
    Samara_63 22 March 2018 12: 29
    +2
    RCC Progress in Samara makes them ...
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 March 2018 12: 40
    +1
    Sent a draft design for revision, and 343 million rubles already bye-bye? Or is it not money by space standards?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 March 2018 12: 49
      0
      Well this is only 1% of the full development of FalconHavi repeat
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 22 March 2018 12: 51
        +2
        Do not confuse the full development with a conceptual design.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 22 March 2018 17: 33
          0
          Do not confuse 1% with 100%.
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 22 March 2018 12: 52
      -2
      That's it. By cosmic standards, this is money so-so.
      Moreover, this is not just a rocket, but the infrastructure as a whole.
  8. Vadmir
    Vadmir 22 March 2018 13: 59
    +1
    They like to scatter money and time with us - there is a hangar project, it has already flown, and it is necessary to bring it up at an accelerated pace and not produce competitors in the same segment.
    1. slipped
      slipped 22 March 2018 20: 17
      0
      This is not the "same segment." These are different missiles, for different tasks. The maximum output mass with direct withdrawal to GSO from the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle from Baikonur is 3,2 tons. The Angara-A5 / KVTK launch vehicle has 5 tons.
  9. dgonni
    dgonni 22 March 2018 15: 12
    0
    Already 2022? Musk by this time promised to launch his BFR, and there is a completely different class of missile, capabilities and prospects. If you read between the lines, in fact, Russia has developed a Soviet backlog and further prospects are not so hot. Unfortunately.
  10. Old26
    Old26 22 March 2018 17: 12
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    "Zenith" -carrier of a manned ship? Yes, it is not directly said there. But still ..

    I guess, yes. He could carry both the Soyuz and Zarya, but since the Soyuz launch vehicle was used it was used as a carrier of unmanned aerial vehicles

    Quote: Vard
    Here, delivery into orbit of cargo up to seventeen tons ... it's a truck ...

    17 tons - this is the weight of the "Federation"

    Quote: vorobey
    I drew attention to another .. ours are preparing to replace the ISS? "Federation"

    No. Federation is a new manned ship, not a station module

    Quote: 210ox
    "Federation" stood in the form of a model for fifteen years, no less. It’s good that they budged (according to the message) ... And then we can stay on the beans ... More precisely, trampolines (according to Rogozin) ..
    Quote: vorobey
    I drew attention to another .. ours are preparing to replace the ISS? "Federation"

    She could not stand for 15 years as a layout due to the fact that work on it was started in the year 2009-2010
  11. axxmanm
    axxmanm 22 March 2018 19: 19
    0
    Hodja Ishak Emir
    the longer the term the more reliable
    1. slipped
      slipped 22 March 2018 20: 10
      0
      The missile term is 2021 and it has not changed.
  12. slipped
    slipped 24 March 2018 14: 26
    0
    The journalist was mistaken in the designations by confusing the ILV and the KRK. The deadline for the CRC is November of this year.
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  14. slipped
    slipped 24 March 2018 15: 05
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    Quote: axxmanm
    Quote: slipped
    smiled the "bottom of a moral decline" and the "concealment of complete technical illiteracy") if you can not distinguish the VA from the SA then say so. Why rush like poop?

    enlighten, shameful tapping, how in the context of KK VA differs from SA.? ..
    Readers also see something zero in the space theme,


    Yes, you’re a sick little knee))))
  15. axxmanm
    axxmanm 24 March 2018 15: 15
    0
    Quote: slipped
    Quote: axxmanm
    Quote: slipped
    smiled the "bottom of a moral decline" and the "concealment of complete technical illiteracy") if you can not distinguish the VA from the SA then say so. Why rush like poop?

    enlighten, shameful tapping, how in the context of KK VA differs from SA.? ..
    Readers also see something zero in the space theme,


    Yes, you’re a sick little knee))))

    Th, except for baby name-calling and nothing to say? This shows everyone who reads your intellectual and cultural level.
    CA and VA synonyms in the context of QC.