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Fatal incapacity of the Russian armed forces and champion America

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Heartbreaking stories about the fatal lack of competence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, regularly published on the websites of some publications, suggest some reflections on the background of this alarmist campaign.




In that part of modern journalism, which is naturally not such, for it is a common business product, the headline plays about the same role as packaging on any other product. Than it is brighter and catchy, the more nonsense and useless content can be. Of course, this is a banal reader hoax. But since up to 90% of citizens in news media read only headlines, this is no longer just a hoax, but technology. And very effective.

One such technologist wrote a completely self-selling headline: “Russia's Black Sea Fleet is powerless to resist the US Navy” - and can safely run to the cashier to take a queue for a higher fee. Because there is no doubt: they will surely notice such a fragrant sensation. Most likely, the article itself will not be read, for “many bukaf”. But the furious headline in the subconscious will surely sit down. So, the editorial assignment is done: Russia is again in losers, and America, by itself, is a champion!

I am one of those few who sometimes read such “text words”. Firstly, the old editorial sourdough affects, and secondly, it is always interesting to understand why they write this and where their legs grow from. In this, not the first such case, I already knew about what to expect. And, as it turned out, was not wrong.

The article turned out to be quite a junk-level, made up of different kinds of “authorities” on occasion of quotations, the common denominator of which was that they had served somewhere.

But why did the author of this, if I may say so, the article, or the experts themselves decided that this was sufficient reason for the boundless alarmism in the style of “Chef! Everything is gone! ”I personally do not understand. Even a little bit literate schoolboy knows that the correct answer only happens when the question is correctly posed. Here, initially, the problem is indicated in such a way that it is not necessary to wait for a correct answer.

"... the main problem of the Black Sea Fleet and its Mediterranean squadron is the" most acute lack of striking power. " “Corvettes alone, large amphibious ships, floating workshops, tankers and tugboats cannot be won over much ... To withstand the Sixth the fleet "The US needs to create at least some sort of threat to its missile cruisers and aircraft carriers."


Suppose that the Black Sea Fleet in its current composition is not really able to withstand the US Navy. And what follows from this, gentlemen "military experts"? Yes, absolutely nothing! Because any military person knows - it all depends on the general conditions and specific circumstances of the use of any weapons and military power in general. What is this problem with solid unknowns? With which part of the US Navy is the Black Sea Fleet compared? Where will he be at this time? What forces to ensure his combat activities will be attracted? Dozens of similar questions turn around in my head, without obtaining competent answers to which there can be no question of any substantiated verdict about the incapacity of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Alas, nothing similar to such answers in the article is even close.

But there are speculations that the American 6 fleet is such a thunderstorm and power that the Russian Black Sea Fleet there is simply nothing to do:

“The US Navy Sixth Fleet (and he is responsible for the Mediterranean basin), including a squadron of four destroyers of guided missile weapons (URO). In the Mediterranean, this fleet has a carrier-based strike force - an atomic strike aircraft carrier plus two missile cruisers and two destroyers URO. The main forces of the Sixth Fleet are supported by an amphibious amphibious group with corresponding ships and, most likely, two submarines with Tomahawk missiles.


In fact, the US 6 fleet on a permanent basis includes only one ship, which can only be called a combat unit. This is a staff vessel of the commander of 6-m fleet "Mount Whitney", which has no large-caliber guns or missiles. All the rest is seconded forces that arrive in the Mediterranean Sea and depart from there depending on the military-political situation. For example, now there is not a single American aircraft carrier. And, accordingly, there are no numerous cruisers, destroyers, nuclear submarines and the like that are included in his escort. A group of amphibious forces of the United States literally just passed through this area in transit to the Persian Gulf.

Well, with whom are you currently ordering to measure the forces of the Black Sea Fleet? It can not be so good gentlemen! Why is it necessary to fit the answer-heading, which is already ready and clearly aimed at demoralizing a mass audience to the equation with all unknowns? Who told you at all that the Black Sea Fleet is going to fight with the American? Yes, and in splendid isolation? Why do you think so? And even if he does, is he alone like a finger and in such a lonely form will he resist the American fleet?

By the way, since the article deals with our naval "illnesses" in connection with Syria, I will say the following. Somehow it turns out that, despite the "weakness" of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, it is he who controls the shores of Syria today, and not the supposedly all-powerful America, which certainly would have wanted to. And it controls not by itself, but as part of the whole group of Russian troops stationed there. Which, in turn, rely on the full power of the Russian armed forces. Here is a multi-level gun matryoshka turns out!

And in general, Russia, thank God, there is a lot of things that sober any aggressor, including the United States. Just yesterday, she didn’t seem to have any hypersonic Daggers. And today they are! And who told you, dear, such a lie that they are not yet combat-ready and in small quantities? You have no such information and can not be! Because this information is not your level of access.

But even one combat-ready MiG-31 with the Dagger is already guaranteed to be a minus one American aircraft carrier. Just because no one has protection against such weapons. And besides, in the event of war with America, no one will save on tactical nuclear warheads.

And such accelerated means of sending the American fleet to the bottom of the sea at the disposal of the Black Sea Fleet, if necessary, can be dozens! But there is also a whole fleet of heavy long-range Tu-22М3 bombers with the latest modification of the X-32 anti-ship missile, the actual range of which is also unknown to the general public, but clearly exceeds one thousand kilometers. And also multi-purpose submarines with “Onyx” and “Granit” missiles, specially created to combat large sea targets. And it does not matter that they are not listed as part of the Black Sea Fleet itself! These submarine cruisers are already acting in his interests today.

And how, then, to consider the ratio of the forces of the Black Sea Fleet and its American "partners"? Yes, of course, that in any way! Because there is no war at all and no correlation of forces at all. Otherwise, it is possible to go as far as comparing the Black Sea Fleet with the interstellar fleet of the “Galactic Empire”. Also, there is a certain likelihood that it is somewhere there - “in a distant galaxy”, floating among the stars and bearing unkind intentions.

In the article, a whole paragraph is devoted to the problems of the cruiser "Moscow", which really needs repair. And therefore, they say, the Black Sea Fleet will long remain without such a powerful ship. But for some reason, none of the experts “dawned on” that, in the event of real need, Russia could easily replace this ship with a single-type combat unit from another fleet - the Varyag missile cruiser with the Pacific Fleet, which, by the way, had repeatedly carried out combat service the shores of Syria. Or recently repaired RK "Marshal Ustinov" with the Federation Council. And since the ships of this class are not catching up now to the Syrian coast, it means that from the point of view of the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation, there is no real operational need.

Everything in this life, and even more so in military strategy, depends on the specific tasks and the forces and means involved in solving them. And, of course, no one will send the Black Sea Fleet to certain death, giving its single frigates and corvettes to be devoured by the entire American fleet.

Not to mention that in this alarmist article, which is almost entirely composed, in addition to the all-propal intonations, of good wishes on the topic “you need to build as many good and different ships as possible”, there is not even an attempt to recall the truly fundamental things. Which make unpardonable stupidity any attempt at an arithmetic comparison of the Russian and American fleets.

How can one completely ignore the fact that the Russian Federation, unlike the US ocean power, which is vitally dependent on sea communications and therefore historically staking on a huge navy, is the largest land, Eurasian power? And, according to its status, it is interested, first of all, in ensuring its security on land, that is, in a powerful land army. Moreover, the coastline of Russia, practically throughout its entire length, is arranged by Providence in such a way that makes it extremely difficult for a potential enemy to use large aircraft carrier and amphibious units in the immediate vicinity of the Russian coast without the risk of unacceptable losses for it.

That is why it is impossible in the style of “Take it out and put it!” To paint in such articles what else, “for complete happiness,” the Black Sea Fleet lacks the same:

“It is necessary to upgrade cruising level ships - about 10 such ships, ... Both new cruisers and large anti-submarine ships, landing ships of the first rank, new minesweepers (considering the issue of mine danger) are needed ... Updating the anti-submarine aviation and other types of aircraft and helicopters - at least 100 combat units. Another important issue is infrastructure. The Black Sea Fleet needs new berths, new storage bases for weapons and equipment, and new equipment for the marine corps. ”


Of course, none of the patriots of Russia, including myself, is not opposed to the fact that the Black Sea Fleet of Russia tomorrow, or even better yesterday, received all of the above and could cope with even the entire NATO fleet with one left. In general, it is better to be rich and healthy than the poor and sick. And build at the same time and in maximum quantities and Tanks with guns, and cruisers with aircraft carriers. But then the country is definitely not enough money. Therefore, smart people came up with the priorities of military development. Which, unlike amateur Wishlist, precisely balance the state’s capabilities with its primary defense needs. And if you try to talk about the shortage of ships not from these positions, but simply by the principle of “who likes what”, then this, sorry, is not even babble, but something worse.
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  1. Slat808
    Slat808 23 March 2018 04: 49
    +33
    What to discuss? Ghouls # all-scooters # are trolls on the State Department salary.
    1. Deck
      Deck 23 March 2018 06: 38
      +15
      Are you talking about Doctor of Military Sciences, Deputy President of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Captain First Rank Konstantin Sivkov?
      1. Titsen
        Titsen 23 March 2018 07: 10
        +16
        Quote: Deck
        Are you talking about Doctor of Military Sciences, Deputy President of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Captain First Rank Konstantin Sivkov?


        Yes.

        I at one time did not stake out a place near the feeder you listed and now I spray poisonous saliva to the right and left!
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 March 2018 07: 47
          +18
          Quote: Slat808
          Ghouls # all-scooters # are trolls on the State Department salary.

          In fact, the forty-year-old watchtower “Inquisitive” was again sent to Syria from the museum squadron of the Black Sea Fleet. The under-wing GAS “Titan” and the towed “Vega” are long hopelessly outdated sonar weapons. He has no air defense (Wasp is not air defense today). His complex of guided missile weapons, these are not even anti-ship missiles, these are anti-submarine missile torpedoes with a development management system of 60-70's ... If a naval battle begins, we will get another heroic Varyag. One "Harpoon" is enough for him. This is a museum that they are trying to plug a “hole” in the absence of a team of 11356 project patrol officers. And the Yankees now in the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf only on surface ships 600 axes. In the SPM 5 berks and Duncan who joined them. In the Persian Gulf, the still reinforced AUG: the aircraft carrier Roosevelt (Nimitz), 2 Ticonderoga and 4 Burke.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 23 March 2018 09: 24
            +88
            Not in the subject, but I’ll post it wherever I can so that more people can read it. Because this is most likely my last comment.
            I want to speak about the "freedom" of speech on this site. Below I quote yesterday’s letter from Skomorokhov and my answer to him. Out of the blue, he threw me three warnings, simply because I dared to express my point of view on the site’s policy and on the article “THE MOST” by Roman Skomorokhov ... I have encroached on the holy Panim.

            You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
            "Trolling, provocation: Only here for such expressions of thoughts on this" free "site, we may well go to the ban ...

            Well, who is to blame for you that you are a masochist? "In the article topwar.ru/138216-rossiya-vpered-v-buduschee. The future of Russia: saving on democracy You have 9 violations. Site rules

            What Roma, really pricks his eyes? Do not like it when stroking the wool? But what about freedom of speech? And now it’s called trolling, I somehow didn’t think about it. That is, any statement that you or Smirnov does not like can now be brought under the concept of trolling or flood, depending on which foot you got up today. In general, I don’t give a damn deeply, you can ban me for good, I’m tired of participating in your circus, where there are only two opinions, one of yours and the other is not right. You already turned the site into a cesspool, where frank trolls, dugouts and your sculpted friends flying the Jewish flag are happy to water Russia with slop and nothing happens to them for that. Notice the very Russia for which you allegedly so zealously care. You are intensely expelling from the site those who, albeit with different views, but really root for Russia. But by canceling the minuses, you filled the site with outright Nazis, liberoids, anti-Soviet, ukrobots and other dishonesty. Well, a flag in your hands and a drum around your neck, maybe in the State Department and your efforts will appreciate it. Just look, do not overdo it, otherwise you never know how it happens in life!
            Let me take leave, I have the honor!
            P.S. I’m waiting for the ban, and even I’m really tired of your Russophobic coven ... negative
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 23 March 2018 09: 53
              +24
              From me "+"
            2. Semen1972
              Semen1972 23 March 2018 12: 28
              +14
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              I want to speak about the “freedom” of speech on this site

              It’s necessary to ban such. He has everything except him .. I quote: "by the Nazis, liberoids, anti-Soviet, ukrobots and other dishonesty."
              The author is a Patriot with a capital ... A patriot who hates everyone else is called a Fascist, and it’s not for you to talk about freedom of speech !!!
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 23 March 2018 13: 54
                +20
                Semen1972 (Semen) Today, 12:28 ↑
                It’s necessary to ban such.
                Sadly, for some reason they still haven’t been banned for some reason. Maybe they haven’t woken up yet.
                He has everything except him .. I quote: "by the Nazis, liberoids, anti-Soviet, ukrobots and other dishonesty."
                But what, isn't it?
                Author Patriot with a capital letter ...
                I don’t argue, he is a patriot, it remains only to find out which country he is a patriot ... recourse request
                The patriot who hates everyone else is called Fascist
                Controversial statement. Open the Internet and read at your leisure who the Nazis are. Perhaps you will learn a lot for yourself, and at the same time expand your horizons.
                and not you talk about freedom of speech
                Not for me?! And to whom then? You? Skomorokhov? Smirnov?
                So which of us is then a fascist ?!

                P.S. Don’t flood, I don’t care anyway, and they’ll ban you.
                1. forester
                  forester 24 March 2018 17: 18
                  +7
                  Yes, they woke up, but apparently the high rating of your comment made administrators think
              2. DMB_95
                DMB_95 23 March 2018 19: 53
                +14
                Quote: Semen1972
                ... a patriot who hates everyone else is called a fascist, and not you talk about freedom of speech !!!

                A patriot who hates the enemies of his homeland is absolutely right. And it’s not for you to hang up “Fascist” signs and forbid you to talk about “freedom of speech”.
            3. Blue fox
              Blue fox 23 March 2018 12: 59
              +13
              All sites have authors, editors and moderators and, oddly enough, they have rules that they follow and, oddly enough, editors often perceive commenting rules in a different way from commentators. I think everyone is faced with this or even just the bad mood of the “on-duty” editor and get warnings, deletion of comments or a temporary ban. In this regard, you can put it quite simply, there are two options:
              - leave and do not wrinkle your forehead;
              - decide what is still more important, the idea of ​​the site or the subjective opinion of one of the editors, and stay above personal differences for the sake of exchanging competent opinions in a rather professional community.
              Sincerely.
            4. Orionvit
              Orionvit 23 March 2018 13: 47
              +15
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              flooded the site with outright Nazis, liberoids, anti-Soviet, ukrobots and other dishonesty
              This was noticeable when voting on the site following the election results. Let me remind you. If in Russia as a whole the “fifth column” and pseudo patriots accounted for 23,3%, then the site has almost half the members of the forum. The result is indicative.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 23 March 2018 14: 03
                +22
                Orionvit (Orionvit) Today, 13:47 ↑
                This was noticeable when voting on the site following the election results. Let me remind you. If in Russia as a whole the “fifth column” and pseudo patriots accounted for 23,3%, then the site has almost half the members of the forum. The result is indicative.
                I agree with a colleague! hi By the way, for comments on that article, I also received two warnings and also for expressing a different point of view from the site’s policy, which drowned for Grudinin as a steam locomotive. Only here is which of Grudinin’s “patriot” of Russia is not a secret for anyone, well, probably except perhaps the site’s administration itself.

                P.S. I repeat the guys, I do not care, but you can be banned for the flood to the article. So be careful. I appeal in advance to the moderators, if it’s only me to be punished, because I deliberately threw this flood. I ask you not to touch those who answered my comments, people are not to blame. And they will not give me a separate topic on this subject, most likely.
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 23 March 2018 14: 28
                  +8
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  By the way, for comments on that article, I also received two warnings

                  You are a colleague of “Stakhanovets,” I snatched only one for comments on the same article, but for the same. hi
                  1. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 23 March 2018 14: 34
                    +8
                    Orionvit (Orionvit) Today, 14:28 ↑
                    You are a colleague "Stakhanovets"
                    Not that word...! laughing hi
                    Warning of violation of the rules of the Banshee website 22.03.2018/16/01 XNUMX:XNUMX
                    Warning of violation of the rules of the Banshee website 22.03.2018/15/58 XNUMX:XNUMX
                    Warning of violation of the rules of the Banshee website 22.03.2018/15/33 XNUMX:XNUMX
                    Warning of violation of the rules of the Banshee website 19.03.2018/11/14 XNUMX:XNUMX
                    Warning about violation of the rules of the site Smirnov Vadim 16.03.2018/13/32 XNUMX:XNUMX
                    Warning about violation of the rules of the site Smirnov Vadim 13.03.2018/11/05 XNUMX:XNUMX
              2. Svateev
                Svateev 23 March 2018 20: 35
                +12
                Quote: Orionvit
                in Russia as a whole, the “fifth column” and pseudo patriots amounted to 23,3%

                That is, you ranked in the fifth column and pseudo-patriots of all those who did not vote for Putin. But Putin himself met with all his election candidates and offered to work together to develop Russia. So you, reckoning yourself among Putin’s supporters, are actually doing him a disservice.
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 23 March 2018 22: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Svateev
                  So you, reckoning yourself among Putin’s supporters, are actually doing him a disservice.

                  Do not make me laugh. But I know very well to whom you render a service, calling yourself a patriot.
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 25 March 2018 08: 05
                    +2
                    Okay, citizens, let's get determined. There are patriots of the Russian Federation and hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation Putin, these patriots recognize the stumping state of Russia in the form of the Russian Federation and a system of comprador capitalism that allows their owners to rob ordinary people of the Russian Federation. But there are patriots of Great Russia (USSR) and imperial left forces who do not recognize the stumping state of Russia in the form of the Russian Federation and are seeking to eliminate the power of the Russian oligarchy and establish socialist relations in our society. It remains for everyone to decide what kind of patriotism each of us is for.
                    1. Nikolay Fedorov
                      Nikolay Fedorov 25 March 2018 15: 51
                      +6
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      ..there are patriots of Great Russia (USSR) and imperial left forces who do not recognize the stumping state of Russia in the form of the Russian Federation and seek to eliminate the power of the Russian oligarchy and establish socialist relations in our society.

                      What kind of imperial left forces? Announce the entire list, please.
                      PS And what can not be just a patriot of Great Russia without left imperial forces?
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      It remains for everyone to decide what kind of patriotism each of us is for.

                      March 18 was just a vote on this subject. 76 percent of the people decided on a kind of patriotism. Probably some people are wrong?
                      1. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 25 March 2018 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                        What kind of imperial left forces? Announce the entire list, please.
                        PS And what can not be just a patriot of Great Russia without left imperial forces?

                        Communist Party of the Russian Federation, air defense, "The essence of time", etc. You cannot be a patriot of Great Russia without left imperial forces, because in this case you are a patriot of Russia's chopped off in the form of the Russian Federation. And our people are good and right, but patient.
                2. d1975
                  d1975 25 March 2018 20: 01
                  +5
                  Please answer the favor of this fifth column. Personally, for people like me, they only did harm. In fact, these are the successors of EBN! am But what they have done, we know very well. People are ordinary people, not peppers like Sobchak and Makarevich. Go down to the earth, take a look around. we have a proverb in our Kuban - "horses do not change at the crossing!"
              3. Yuri Lazarev
                Yuri Lazarev 24 March 2018 06: 32
                +3
                In Russia as a whole, the number of "non-pseudo-patriots" was determined by the CEC, and not by the electorate.
            5. yuliatreb
              yuliatreb 23 March 2018 15: 19
              +3
              You just wanted to express your opinion and you did well, everything is exactly the same with the excess, not everyone will agree with you of course, but the truth is in your words.
            6. staviator
              staviator 23 March 2018 16: 35
              +1
              + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + good
            7. _person_
              _person_ 24 March 2018 11: 32
              +6
              Also flew from this "comrade" for criticizing his own writings on this site, which is called "articles". We cleaned the comments that "cut the eye."
              Well, what to do - for the lack of clear arguments, the ban will be provided to you for any formal reason. At the same time, all information is subject to deletion, especially informative, and not just the part that "hurt the feelings" of the "artist", whose "vulnerable soul" is easy to offend, or that contains the subjective "flood", "troll", etc.
              And the fact that an “artist” can do frankly mediocre, bad work, which language doesn’t even turn to work, is not supposed to be an “article" for this. Well, put any intelligible comment on the main page and call it publication, since the crisis of the genre and authors on the bath resource. The effect will be better.

              But, colleague, especially considering that you have listed it is necessary to resist this information campaign and the authors and commentators here on the site and on other resources as far as possible.
              Otherwise, taking advantage of the lack of a clear alternative vision of the processes in this environment, these guys will reproduce generations of people with views that do not correlate with the presence of the future in Russia in general, and not just any positive future for our country.
              It is your silent "conciliationism", going into the shadows, informational "suicide", if you like, these figures and their heralds are seeking to retain a monopoly on the "mouthpiece", and even this right will be taken away from you and your mouth shut.
              But, of course, this is already your own business how to act in such a situation.
            8. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 25 March 2018 14: 53
              +6
              Varangian, I fully agree with you. I dumped from this site a long time ago, which turned into a bunch of rabble, who can not say anything on the topic, but deftly throws shit at the fan, I go out of habit as soon as possible. It’s ridiculous to see how, after the abolition of the minuses, visitors changed their rhetoric from the promised land, and how many different liberals came out, and old people and professionals who could say something sensible on the topic dumped almost everything ..... I join.
              Let me take leave, I have the honor!
              P.S. I’m waiting for a ban, and I’m really tired of your Russophobic coven ...))
          2. Valery Saitov
            Valery Saitov 23 March 2018 10: 06
            +4
            Currently, about 15 warships and support vessels of the Black Sea Fleet are operating as part of the permanent operational formation of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea, including the Caliber cruise missile carrier frigate Admiral Grigorovich, which repeatedly attacked terrorist targets in Syria.
            The frigate Admiral Essen, equipped with Caliber cruise missiles, will be part of the Russian Navy squadron in the Mediterranean.
          3. Igor Anatolievich
            Igor Anatolievich 23 March 2018 13: 39
            +12
            Why are you bothering in vain? Meet your vaunted Amer’s friends in the Black Sea - missiles from the Crimean batteries. If you’re such an “expert." moves to our shores, dies. Who owns the Crimea and Sevastopol. that owns the Black Sea.
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 23 March 2018 13: 44
              +2
              Quote: Igor Anatolyevich
              Why are you bothering in vain? Meet your vaunted Amer’s friends in the Black Sea - missiles from the Crimean batteries. If you’re such an “expert." moves to our shores, dies. Who owns the Crimea and Sevastopol. that owns the Black Sea.

              Well, that is, we will defeat the Americans in an early war or not ... here the stakes are high, you can’t be 100% unsure .. And when will a missile with unlimited range and maneuverability come up on combat flight over the United States? How many tongues can you scratch when the enemy is already at the gate ???
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 23 March 2018 15: 28
                +7
                The topic in the article is "hot." I’m just wondering - those forum users who shout "The guard and everything is lost" after the articles about "the superiority of the US Army" how do they behave? Is the bunker prepared with food, water and medicines? Bought dosimeters? Or not? Go to work, take the kids to kindergarten and school? Soon5 second. Then two options are either fatalists (so many) or they live with confidence tomorrow. Then the question is - what gives this confidence? I can answer for everyone, Russia, its army and navy.
                1. Rustic i ......
                  Rustic i ...... 25 March 2018 12: 32
                  +5
                  Hee, they’ve already read and heard it ... "The Red Army is the strongest ....?. Do not remember what songs they sang before the war in 1939 - 1940? After all, there was confidence that we would only fight on foreign territory! ? And what happened? I had to drastically change the song repertoire. If only that. Now the theory is in every way possible - we will defeat everyone, destroy all of us, keep us seven ....... And all we are waiting for, let our enemies strengthen their bases in Ukraine, Poland, on the border with Russia. These waitresses are attracted to crime, such is my opinion, and many Russian citizens, at least those I know. The main thing is to build the Nord Stream and the pipeline to the Turks, but why, in case of war still have to block.
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 25 March 2018 21: 32
                    +2
                    So what are you waiting for? Cook the rope and soap.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 24 March 2018 01: 21
                +4
                Quote: Semen1972
                Well, that is, we will defeat the Americans in an early war or not ... here the stakes are high, you can not be 100% unsure ..

                You see what’s the matter, the ships hit each other with no battering ram, so it’s categorically wrong to consider the fleet’s power in the “corps”. Google what missiles are in service with American ships, what they were going to shoot at the enemy.
            2. yakyu20
              yakyu20 23 March 2018 21: 05
              +6
              That is why (well, one of the reasons) at 14 we returned the Crimea
              1. Rustic i ......
                Rustic i ...... 25 March 2018 12: 41
                +1
                It is necessary without delay to return the entire southeast of Ukraine, right up to military influence.
          4. businessv
            businessv 23 March 2018 14: 53
            +3
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            In the Persian Gulf, there is still a reinforced AUG: the aircraft carrier Roosevelt (Nimitz), 2 Ticonderogs and 4 Burke.

            Based on the information you provided, the situation is even worse than in the article condemned by Yuri Selivanov! smile Although I liked the article! Truth, most likely and as usual, somewhere in between! drinks
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 23 March 2018 22: 07
              +3
              Quote: businessv
              Truth, most likely and as usual, somewhere in between!

              That's for sure! If the author of the article didn’t even bother to understand that the US Navy is opposed not by the Black Sea Fleet, but by the Russian Navy’s OS in the 6 in the Middle East! So, there are our northern submarines and other ships, even from the Pacific Fleet are present. And here is a comparison of the Black Sea Fleet and the US Navy? But not fate, you see ...
          5. Yuri Lazarev
            Yuri Lazarev 24 March 2018 06: 22
            +6
            There are 3 daggers and a flock of hummingbirds from the Caspian and there is no AUG in the Persian Gulf. And the main thing you are well aware of.
      2. Vladimir Novozhilov
        Vladimir Novozhilov 23 March 2018 11: 39
        0
        Fool and you and your protected. Be smarter than the circumstances.
      3. Barabashka 68
        Barabashka 68 23 March 2018 13: 38
        +5
        "Are you talking about a doctor of military sciences, deputy president of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, captain of the first rank Konstantin Sivkov?"
        They say the generals are preparing for the last war, Sivkov seems to be preparing for the year before last.
      4. Robin - Bobbin
        Robin - Bobbin 23 March 2018 15: 36
        +4
        Konstantin Valentinovich Sivkov - Russian and military public figure, popular military and political analyst, doctor of military sciences, specialist in military political science, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, captain of the first rank, first vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems (in the past) . The Academy of Geopolitical Problems is a non-profit public organization, and the term “Academy” is simply a solid name. The Academy of Geopolitical Problems is a non-profit public organization, and the term “Academy” is simply a solid name. As a rule, all kinds of analysts, in order to give greater importance to their articles, indicate the organizations that they represent. Naturally, these are all academies, institutes and universities with respectable names. For ordinary people, this produces a killer effect, well, how can anyone doubt the words of an academician? Few people will check what kind of academy this is, but I decided to check, and not in vain.
        http://operline.ru/content/stati/konstantin-sivko
        v-nedootsenivaet-severnyy-flot.html? sphrase_id = 46
        718
      5. Robin - Bobbin
        Robin - Bobbin 23 March 2018 17: 16
        0
        Konstantin Valentinovich Sivkov - Russian and military public figure, popular military and political analyst, doctor of military sciences, specialist in military political science, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, captain of the first rank, first vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems (in the past) . The Academy of Geopolitical Problems is a non-profit public organization, and the term “Academy” is simply a solid name. The Academy of Geopolitical Problems is a non-profit public organization, and the term “Academy” is simply a solid name. As a rule, all kinds of analysts, in order to give greater importance to their articles, indicate the organizations that they represent. Naturally, these are all academies, institutes and universities with respectable names. For ordinary people, this produces a killer effect, well, how can anyone doubt the words of an academician? Few people will check what kind of academy this is, but I decided to check, and not in vain.
        http://operline.ru/content/stati/konstantin-sivko
        v-nedootsenivaet-severnyy-flot.html? sphrase_id = 46
        718
      6. Mihail28
        Mihail28 24 March 2018 04: 22
        +1
        Is Sivkov "deputy president of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences"? On the website of the academy he is not on the lists of deputy presidents.
        1. tanit
          tanit 25 March 2018 09: 04
          +2
          Quote: Michael28
          Is Sivkov "deputy president of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences"? On the website of the academy he is not on the lists of deputy presidents.

          Sivkov is a corresponding member. There are 200 of them. Fortunately, not everyone is so prolific.
    2. credo
      credo 23 March 2018 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: Slat808
      What to discuss? Ghouls # all-scooters # are trolls on the State Department salary.

      The author of the article and you.
      Not always what you read was originally intended for you. Such articles are sometimes written intentionally and for a completely different purpose, so it is not worth it to judge so peremptorily.
      1. Mihail28
        Mihail28 24 March 2018 12: 32
        +1
        Not always what you read was originally intended for you. Such articles are sometimes written intentionally and for a completely different purpose, so it’s not worth it to judge so peremptorily

        It is in this article that there is not a word about links to Sivkov’s opinion. For some reason (about Sivkov) they remembered in the comments. That is, some commentators in their comments tried to comment for the appellate judgment of a limited circle of other commentators?
    3. misti1973
      misti1973 23 March 2018 15: 18
      +8
      While I know trolls only on the Kremlin salary
      1. Senior manager
        Senior manager 24 March 2018 15: 01
        +3
        Quote: misti1973
        While I know trolls only on the Kremlin salary

        And you try to read ALL comments. Clarification should come. Along the way, the question is - how did you get it on the site? Since you do not consider yourself to be the Kremlin trolls, is it logical to assume that the Kremlin workers belong to adversaries?
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 March 2018 17: 44
      +8
      Quote: Slat808
      What to discuss? Ghouls # all-scooters # are trolls on the State Department salary.

      They are paid in the right window of the cash register. And on the left they pay cheers to the patriots who defeat everyone with photographs of the exhibition layout of the container “club” and clips with a “dagger”. For nothing pleases the enemy so much as the complacency of his victim. Hat-hopping and bravura all-conquering relayings usually end on 22.06.41 or “Day of Shame”.
    5. zenion
      zenion 25 March 2018 13: 56
      0
      Of course you can’t! But, if you really want, then you can. You can lick a pen.
      1. tanit
        tanit 26 March 2018 18: 43
        0
        Ahem ... And you got it right about the "Day of Shame" understood? belay
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  3. savage1976
    savage1976 23 March 2018 05: 56
    +5
    Thanks for the good article, but I didn’t even read that nonsense about the sunken Black Sea Fleet by American supercrafts. By the way, here a new zozma is brewing, Russia has broken the newest American aircraft carrier. I am laughing out loud.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 March 2018 06: 01
    +14
    "The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is powerless to oppose the US Navy"
    I also bothered to read this article, printed by the way on the website "Military Materials", the cap of which is decorated identically to VO and there is a transition to the VO site. I completely agree with the author about the meaning and worthlessness of the article.
  5. Deck
    Deck 23 March 2018 06: 16
    +10
    Yuoy Selivanov. Member of the Union of Journalists of the USSR since 1985. Education - History Department of Odessa State University, Military Institute of the USSR Ministry of Defense. The officer of the Soviet army. VUS - special propaganda. Performing editorial tasks in IA REGNUM

    So read - special promotion!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 March 2018 06: 45
      +11
      Quote: Deck
      Yuoy Selivanov. Member of the Union of Journalists of the USSR ..... So read - specialize in propaganda!

      Sarcasm or what? Can anti-advisers read?
      To the author --- Respect !!!!!! ++++++
      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 23 March 2018 07: 37
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Sarcasm or what? Can anti-advisers read?

        Recently, I have developed a strong belief that with articles so opposed in content, they want to cause the “partners” to rupture brain residues laughing
        The warriors say - everything is lost, propagandists say - everything is in order, Putin does not say anything, but then his eyes watery for a long time when the "partners" understand what happened ... soldier
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 23 March 2018 14: 53
          +7
          Locksmith, you are right. The GDP at the “chess tournament” in international politics plays at least the level of master of sports. Confirmation of this that he is accused of everything: starting with the fact that he doesn’t like blue, remember he was scolded before the Sochi Olympics, and he is to blame for chemical attacks, and he chooses the presidents and Trump out of decency congratulated VV on the victory and again scandal. I won’t be surprised if tomorrow it turns out that he patched up where May is a little baby and does not pay child support
          1. Psih86
            Psih86 23 March 2018 15: 49
            +2
            Well, do not disclose state secrets here! wassat
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 23 March 2018 14: 37
        0
        Dima, I also liked the article: written sensibly
    2. jonht
      jonht 23 March 2018 07: 02
      +8
      Envy regalia? Or the fact that a person is not only a journalist, but also an officer?
      And propaganda is needed not only in the army, but also in life, because someone must convey information in the right (right) light. If you have objections to the case, write an article debunking the author’s logical calculations. Desirable on points, be sure to read.
      1. Deck
        Deck 23 March 2018 07: 21
        +4
        Remember the fate of the Union? He broke up and no army was needed. And now they may well lead to this scenario. On the basis of the law on ASEZs, the Chinese are already in full charge in the Baikal and Angara regions. And do not care for them our laws, as well as the entire population in addition. Again backstage whispering with the Japanese regarding the Kuril Islands, one can only guess about the true goals of our elite ... And so on


        And propaganda is needed not only in the army, but also in life, because someone must convey information in the right (right) light.


        The question is for whom is this light right? Who orders this music and in whose interests? And so, the article of one journalist officer is criticized by another journalist officer. Both patriots and agents of the State Department (or, in the old regime, the CIA)
        1. jonht
          jonht 23 March 2018 07: 56
          +4
          Well, I suggested that you write your article on the article .... laughing
          In which and state your arguments. And even promised to read laughing
        2. VladGashek
          VladGashek 23 March 2018 16: 01
          +1
          As SkaliMulder said; "Itina is somewhere nearby." So both points of view are a kind of smokescreen of a real balance of forces on this TVD. For us, ordinary people, not burdened with ranks and ranks of knowledge of state secrets, this controversy is only food for the mind and familiarization with national geopolitics. Thanks to both the opponent and his proponent.
    3. inkass_98
      inkass_98 23 March 2018 07: 17
      +3
      Don’t be so nervous. There is always the opportunity to take advantage of one of these two things:
      Or

      Or

      And what do you have against officers of the Soviet army? Selivanov officer, Sivkov naval officer, and probably served in the Soviet Navy.
      And what opinion they express is a private matter. There is no need to shut up your mouth, it’s not about overthrowing the political system, but about the country's defense.
      1. Deck
        Deck 23 March 2018 07: 25
        +2
        I agree: let them shut up their mouths to each other. According to officers, they will call the opponent friendly agents of the State Department. Well, that’s friendly!
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 23 March 2018 07: 34
          +4
          This only speaks of the level of education of commentators. I did not see in the text that Sivkov and Selivanov called each other exactly that.
          1. Deck
            Deck 23 March 2018 07: 43
            +4
            One such technologist wrote a completely sellable headline: “The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is powerless to oppose the US Navy” - and can safely run to the cash register to take a queue for an increased fee.


            And the other wrote that we will kill the enemies of one snot - and also for the fee.
            As for your remark, it is completely fair. But as an artist of words, I have the right to hyperbole! Although the VUS is not my special propagandist.
            1. inkass_98
              inkass_98 23 March 2018 09: 38
              +2
              Ah, "I'm an artist, I see that." Clear. Ostap Ibrahimovic, too, the "Sower" imagined in a peculiar way laughing .
          2. Mihail28
            Mihail28 24 March 2018 06: 26
            +1
            Moreover, there is no Sivkova either in the authors or in the texts of the articles. One of the commentators pulled out his last name. During the discussion.
            Moreover, Sivkov never considered the Navy from the point of view of a "spherical horse in a vacuum," only comprehensively in the system of the country's armed forces. Both Russia and other countries, including the United States.
    4. Mihail28
      Mihail28 24 March 2018 04: 32
      +3
      Special propaganda, as a variant of counter-propaganda against propaganda of all propagandists, should also not only be, but also act.
      A member of the Union of Journalists of the USSR since 1985 - this means that education is still pre-perestroika, correct, the brains are not shifted to the side by propaganda of perestroika. It is significant that the officer of the Soviet army, without any Ukro-Bandera-Nazi services.
  6. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 23 March 2018 06: 55
    +8
    Dear author! I will not argue, your arguments presented in the article are very logical and I agree with them. but still, "This is a particular solution to the equation. Russia’s misfortune is not in this, but in an excessive passion for money. But for the money we do a lot of things that contradict common sense and conscience. Weapons, territories, and national property in the form of forests are for sale and natural resources And what about Russia? In the same Emirates, the whole country lives comfortably from rents for using subsoil for oil production. And what about us? It's quite the opposite. Soil injustice has been, is, and is still aggravated. Personal ambitions are more than common, Russian at all levels of the population, and this is a danger! Shouting that there is no money has become commonplace, but where are they? Only 300 for their country were built on almost 30 Indian Su-48 MKIs. The United States regularly contributes to us, why? Masses of money went to offshore, Is it really impossible to return it and make it work? In the USSR, everything that was more than 10 rubles was banned for export.
    Remember the fate of the Union? He broke up and no army was needed. And now they may well lead to this scenario. On the basis of the law on ASEZs, the Chinese are already in full charge in the Baikal and Angara regions. And do not care for them our laws, as well as the entire population in addition. Again backstage whispering with the Japanese regarding the Kuril Islands, one can only guess about the true goals of our elite ... And so on
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 March 2018 10: 40
      0
      Why immediately as soon as Russia, it is certainly a disaster. A little bit, so certainly "the trouble of Russia is that ..."
      Is it clear that this is brainwashing, the formation of stable associations with the trouble with the reader.
      All this, of course, is said in the direction of "truth." Say, who else but we ourselves must tell the truth.
      Will it help Russia? - definitely not. Because from the entire history of all peoples, a conclusion is unequivocally formulated about the need to create exactly the opposite, optimistic associations. In this case, as a rule, no one pays attention to the "truth".
      Dull pessimists, confident that everything was lost, will never do anything and will not achieve it.
      We need it, like that?
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 23 March 2018 11: 04
        +3
        Demagogy is, dear Mestny! They wrote a lot, but somehow about nothing. So in life, some in the forest, some for firewood. A powerful surge of energy, but no result.
        1. businessv
          businessv 23 March 2018 15: 03
          0
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          Demagogy is, dear Mestny! They wrote a lot, but somehow about nothing. So in life, some in the forest, some for firewood. A powerful surge of energy, but no result.

          Dear, I’m not reading your comment for the first time. It is you who, in this commentary, clearly demonstrate what demagogy is! hi
          1. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 23 March 2018 17: 38
            +1
            What did you see in my demagoguery dear Vadim? If you are going to blame me for this sin, then let's be more specific. And then somehow unfoundedly obtained from your side. Do you think I can’t prove my position? You think in vain. Interesting in which region you live? I am in Siberia.
    2. Alexander Nezgovorov
      Alexander Nezgovorov 23 March 2018 13: 44
      +2
      The Chinese in Siberia, the Chinese in Crimea, the Turks in the Penza region. The Kuril Islands will soon be "Made in not ours ..." .. What else to wait ??? Only the dismemberment of Russia ...
    3. Alexander Nezgovorov
      Alexander Nezgovorov 23 March 2018 13: 46
      +1
      Yes. You are 100% right.
    4. Nevyatoy
      Nevyatoy 29 March 2018 01: 00
      0
      Before writing would be taught materiel. In the Emirates, only citizens of whom about 15% have the gesheft from rent. The remaining inhabitants of the country are not citizens with a smaller set of rights and privileges and they do not get anything from oil. As for the Su-30 MKI, this is an export option; we have Su-30CM now over 100 of them.
  7. Operator
    Operator 23 March 2018 07: 20
    +1
    On the VO website, all-traders “from Chelyabinsk” with a 100-year developmental delay are also represented laughing
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 March 2018 10: 44
      -1
      And as soon as it turns out that those present are unhappy with their eternal whining, the cry about freedom of speech begins immediately. They do not allow you to understand, to free, bright individuals, to bring to the world their ingenious judgments wherever they want.
      Honestly, I'm funny. Freedom of speech in this sense exists only on the fence. And then, if caught, it could fly.
  8. Sergey985
    Sergey985 23 March 2018 08: 18
    +3
    I completely agree with the author. You always need to take a sober and comprehensive approach to the country's defense capabilities. I would also add the political component of this issue. A definite plus.
  9. BAI
    BAI 23 March 2018 08: 58
    +2
    Apparently there is a special science on how to select headings.
    Here is an article today
    Russia recognized powerlessness in front of the USA

    And it contains excerpts from an article by a fully qualified military expert, which has nothing to do with this publication (the expert’s article was in another edition), in which the expert carries out a comparative analysis of the US and Russian forces with conclusions about what to do. And no panic. Those. the title, in principle, does not correspond to the content of the article.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 March 2018 10: 48
      +2
      All right, the author wrote about the "heading problem".
      Of course, this is all more suitable for a certain audience - for those who are not very distant in mind, or are active online teens. However, it also affects those who are little interested in the situation. For those who once every couple of days looked, ran his eyes, and closed. But the sediment then remained.
      Such a one of the methods of information warfare.
  10. Plate
    Plate 23 March 2018 10: 10
    +6
    Otherwise, one can even get to the comparison of the Black Sea Fleet with the interstellar fleet of the “Galactic Empire”.

    But what is the idea ...
    According to analysts from the think tank < > in the fleet of the Andromeda Galactic Empire, which probably exists according to analysts' assumptions, there are more than 50 autonomous battle cruisers equipped with warp engines, more than 300 small combat ships that can be temporarily deployed on cruisers, as well as about 10 moving space military bases equipped with a wide spectrum of likely existing weapons. In the event of a probable invasion by a probable Galactic Empire, Russia will most likely be unable to repel the attacks, which speaks of the helplessness of the Russian army and the superiority of the US armed forces over it.
    In order to catch up with the American army in combat effectiveness, we need to increase the number of warships by at least 4 times, the number of aircraft-carrying cruisers by at least 20 times, form at least 4 aircraft carrier attack groups, and around them a wide group of ships, create a powerful orbital Fleet, provide for planetary defense to repel the invasion.
    But we are unlikely to be able to catch up with the Galactic Empire, which indicates the superiority of the United States. It's time to give up!
    1. Alexander Nezgovorov
      Alexander Nezgovorov 23 March 2018 13: 40
      0
      We have only about 300 combat aircraft, the legacy of the USSR ...
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 23 March 2018 14: 47
        +1
        who do you have it? specify Alexander
  11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 March 2018 10: 24
    +9
    But even one combat-ready MiG-31 with a “Dagger” is already guaranteed minus one American aircraft carrier.

    it
    not even babble, but something worse.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 March 2018 10: 50
      +2
      What is this? Reveal the truth!
  12. Bakht
    Bakht 23 March 2018 10: 37
    +3
    The most interesting thing always lies on the surface ...
    So, the main thing: "The Black Sea Fleet against the 6th US Fleet" ...
    A reasonable question immediately arises: are these two independent units? On their own? The statement of the question implies the Third World War. With all the ensuing and arriving strategic warheads. What is the significance of the TACTICAL or even OPERATIONAL advantage of some Fleet there in this situation? Suppose the 6th US Fleet is stronger than the Black Sea. So what? And nothing...
    By the way, the Black Sea immediately turns into the inland sea of ​​Russia. As well as the Eastern Mediterranean. And with the destruction of the NATO Fleet bases in the Mediterranean, any advantage is immediately leveled.
    In general, the horror story is about nothing.
    1. Mihail28
      Mihail28 24 March 2018 04: 02
      +1
      By the way, the Black Sea immediately turns into the inland sea of ​​Russia.

      Actually, Turkey is a NATO bloc country. She (in the sense of Turkey) is aware of this?
      I suspect that you have to start leveling the advantage long before the Bosphorus. With the Dardanelles
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 24 March 2018 08: 28
        0
        Given the range of the Bastions and other coastal complexes, it is unlikely that any ship will stay afloat longer than the flight time.
        In general, comparing the number and performance characteristics of ships is incorrect. In addition to ships, the fleet also has a huge number of other means and capabilities.
        A small digression into history - World War II. In our understanding, the Great Patriotic War. The Black Sea Fleet of the USSR lost 1 cruiser, 3 leaders and 9 destroyers. I don’t know how many submarines. With the almost complete absence of the surface component of the enemy. The fighting ceased on October 6, 1943. When, by order of the Headquarters, ALL large surface ships were withdrawn to the reserve.
        -----
        Your suspicions are well founded. I spoke about the Eastern Mediterranean. And even without the Tartus with Khmeinin in the Eastern Mediterranean, even the 5th operational squadron would not be able to withstand. So keeping Syria is also a guarantee that the southern direction is covered.
        -----
        Wangyu "Syria Hasn't Fallen Yet"
  13. Savignon
    Savignon 23 March 2018 10: 49
    +1
    What is the post about? A lot of words, I briefly - "Ball", "Bastion", "Onyx", "Caliber", etc.
  14. turbris
    turbris 23 March 2018 11: 01
    +2
    Yes, I’m talking about the deputy president of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, by the way, what kind of institution did you specify? Is there no such institution in the MO or am I mistaken? I agree with the author of the article, the conclusions that Mr. Sivkov makes are very controversial and quantitatively comparing the Black Sea Fleet and the 6th US Fleet - this is not at the level of a doctor of military sciences.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 23 March 2018 14: 28
      0
      Sivkov knows how to crush non-existent ships all the fleets of the world, or vice versa crush our fleet
    2. tanit
      tanit 25 March 2018 09: 13
      0
      Quote: turbris
      Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, by the way, what kind of institution did you specify? Is there no such institution in the MO or am I mistaken?

      This beer lovers club was established in 1996. But the salary there is "poured."
      1. Mihail28
        Mihail28 25 March 2018 13: 50
        +1
        The Academy of Artillery Sciences (AAS) was founded on June 10, 1946 by a resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR. It was abolished in 1953 (after the death of Comrade Stalin). In 1994, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, it was recreated under the name of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences (RARAN). The purpose of creating this structure is the development of artillery and new artillery equipment, as well as the creation of a single center for artillery science, which has its own theoretical and experimental base under the Ministry of Armed Forces of the USSR. Among the tasks of the Academy was also the organization and conduct of scientific examinations on issues of artillery weapons and the training of scientific personnel related to artillery.
        Here is such a panimash, Comrade Stalin created a club of beer lovers.
  15. Imobile
    Imobile 23 March 2018 11: 48
    +3
    Author State Department Agent Our fleet, compared to the US, is paper boats. The Americans know this, human silence on our part is a crime. The author points to demoralization, demoralization will come after the first battle, total demoralization. And knowing the truth, there is an opportunity to change something or prepare mentally for superiority. Do not fall for the arguments of this overseas patriot. Our fleet is in terrible condition, we must take this and develop steps to improve or prepare from what we have, even on an old vessel super experienced warriors will be able to withstand adversity. First of all, we must abandon the conscripts so that they do not interfere underfoot during an exacerbation and pay professionals for their hard work. Another pebble option is to hit the water with atomic bombs near the fleet and sweep while they fight the waves.
    1. businessv
      businessv 23 March 2018 15: 15
      0
      Quote: Imobile
      Our fleet is in terrible condition, we must take this and develop steps to improve or prepare from what we have, even on an old vessel super experienced warriors will be able to withstand adversity.

      Well, why start breaking spears out of the blue ?! The author expressed his opinion: "
      Quote: Imobile
      How can one completely ignore the fact that the Russian Federation, in contrast to the US ocean power, which is vitally dependent on maritime communications and therefore historically relies on a huge navy, is the largest land, Eurasian power?
      I think that it is for this reason that such a mess in the Navy, but just everything has its time and, of course, money! 70% of the army was updated, now they will deal with the remaining 30th. Friends, the main thing is not to spit saliva and not spoil each other's hair! drinks
  16. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 23 March 2018 12: 24
    +3
    From the fact that the special propagandist does not detract from his dignity, this is also true, as well as guaranteed freedom in our constitution. But ... Observance of these freedoms today in the Russian Federation is a moot point. So far we all only dream about the human face of our society, alas. It seems to many that if he has something grown together somewhere, he is the navel of the earth, and his word is worth its weight in gold! Yes, learning and teaching is easier than pens. But if you already agreed, then measure the topic and the words used! And there are different titles and titles, behind which, often, they like to hide separate elements like a fence, so that the faces, or something else, are not visible, not a barrier at all, mind you! In Russia, it is precisely fences that the population likes to use for free expression, there, of all kinds of opinions. But as one tvaryshch noticed on the forum here, with which I just agree, if they catch, then they can weigh. And therefore, I hope the spray did not fly for a long time? And he didn’t specifically aim at anyone!
  17. Natasha Chekanova
    Natasha Chekanova 23 March 2018 13: 00
    +2
    Do not pay attention, they are all special agents, mislead the enemies of Russia.
  18. macgyver
    macgyver 23 March 2018 13: 26
    0
    What to write about the American fleet, which one Buyan-M will deal with They don’t have normal air defense at all, all these Aegis simply do not work ...
  19. Vasily Krylov
    Vasily Krylov 23 March 2018 13: 34
    0
    In vain you are trying to persuade THEM, on the contrary, you need to strongly support the opinion about the insolvency of our VS. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is my opinion.
  20. Alexander Nezgovorov
    Alexander Nezgovorov 23 March 2018 13: 34
    +3
    Stupid is the boss (commander) who underestimates the army of a potential enemy. How many of them remain TU-22? And how much did we build in a quarter of a century ??? We fly all the Soviet .... and then? Then again Only PR ...
  21. bragjun
    bragjun 23 March 2018 13: 52
    +1
    Yes, I come across such articles. Soon I realized that such pearls suffer from reputable publications, including yellow ones. Well, they lose readers. Market, gentlemen. Such a publication will die.
  22. Valernsky
    Valernsky 23 March 2018 13: 57
    0
    It’s understandable that they work for an enemy hedgehog. We must expose such authors. Name their true names and amounts.
  23. Slavs B
    Slavs B 23 March 2018 14: 03
    0
    Well written, but I would like a reference to the article being criticized. And then we see the answer, without question.
  24. moreanda
    moreanda 23 March 2018 14: 04
    +2
    Than anyone who does not need the Crazily expensive berths to build, it’s better to add (build) another runway in Engels so that PARA 160 will take off at the same time, and build them ASAP! And all Crimean runways with a strip length of more than 2.500 meters QUICKLY ORDER - we get at least six (!) Almost universal runways, from which at least 22, at least 95, at least 160 TAKEOFF (and will land!) Without PROBLEMS. And those who want to "cut" the Ministry of Defense money, having "rolled" them into the "concrete" of moorings and other "prominent" BUILDINGS, it is better to send them to the MAGADANA construction sites - there is now BEGINNING a lot of work to ensure the "gold reserve" of the Russian Federation. (!) And it is SUITABLE! It’s better we’ll come to visit you on Magadan to visit, than you will send the last RESERVES of the Ministry of Defense of Russia to the Moscow Offices with a shovel to BRITISH BANKS. generation. " Smoke yourself guys!

    A. Morev
  25. Monarchist
    Monarchist 23 March 2018 14: 10
    +1
    Well done, the author raised an explanatory topic: there are many such “experts” among reporters: he wants to cut some money, reads a note, or looks: “Ren TV writes a headline like“ The General Staff acknowledged its impotence “Poverty of Russian Armed Forces”, and then this an article can be dragged into several editions at once, only the title can be slightly modified and good.
    I am always disgusted when I meet crackling headlines and 2-3 on-duty phrases about the complete powerlessness of our armed forces, remember how much crap there was on this topic on our website or vice versa about the complete powerlessness of NATO, and you will read NO SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION, and money in your pocket.
    It’s bad that some of our respected authors have sinned similarly. Care should be taken in choosing a title. Let the screaming headers use behind the cordon, and we will do without such chatter
  26. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 23 March 2018 14: 14
    +3
    What to discuss? Pisak and experts are now divorced-Mama Do not Cry !!!!! Some shout Hooray literally about everything (even conscripts somewhere learn to shoot at the training ground - hooray at once! Kapets to you America ....), others in general .... complete negilists !!! And Russia doesn’t have such weapons, and it’s all bluffing, and has cut money, and in general the Russian army is not capable of anything !!!! So, you don’t immediately see adequate people behind all these cries ..... in general, a lot of “garbage” articles appeared on the site .... I’m generally silent for some comments ....
  27. Monarchist
    Monarchist 23 March 2018 14: 18
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Nezgovorov
    Stupid is the boss (commander) who underestimates the army of a potential enemy. How many of them remain TU-22? And how much did we build in a quarter of a century ??? We fly all the Soviet .... and then? Then again Only PR ...

    You cannot underestimate or overestimate the enemy here. You are right. But I regard your writability as superfluous. Judging by the publications of our site or talk with people who in the "topic" of affairs in the army have improved significantly.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 March 2018 17: 47
      +1
      Quote: Monarchist
      Judging by the publications of our site or talk with people who in the "topic" of affairs in the army have improved significantly.

      The effect of the low base has not been canceled. Compared to 2008, things have really improved significantly.
      But this does not negate the unfortunate fact that approximately 20% of the strategic ballistic systems of our country (at 5 SSBNs) are covered by the only multi-purpose submarine. And the mine defense of their base provides exactly 0 modern MF.
  28. Monarchist
    Monarchist 23 March 2018 14: 21
    +1
    Quote: sib.ataman
    From the fact that the special propagandist does not detract from his dignity, this is also true, as well as guaranteed freedom in our constitution. But ... Observance of these freedoms today in the Russian Federation is a moot point. So far we all only dream about the human face of our society, alas. It seems to many that if he has something grown together somewhere, he is the navel of the earth, and his word is worth its weight in gold! Yes, learning and teaching is easier than pens. But if you already agreed, then measure the topic and the words used! And there are different titles and titles, behind which, often, they like to hide separate elements like a fence, so that the faces, or something else, are not visible, not a barrier at all, mind you! In Russia, it is precisely fences that the population likes to use for free expression, there, of all kinds of opinions. But as one tvaryshch noticed on the forum here, with which I just agree, if they catch, then they can weigh. And therefore, I hope the spray did not fly for a long time? And he didn’t specifically aim at anyone!

    Plus to you: correctly noticed there are such individuals
  29. Mengad
    Mengad 23 March 2018 14: 26
    +3
    Gentlemen and Ladies? There is a confrontation of worldviews and worldviews. For those especially gifted, please do not pay attention to my flag. I live in Latvia, I am not a gay man, I am not a fascist, and not bought by the State Department, I’m even more Russian, and patriot than many here who tear on their shirt screaming about patriotism .. Ask why? I’ll answer you: There are a lot of ignoramuses and people who don’t remember their kind. And I remember. How did I end up in Latvia? After your esteemed Peter the first, who began the persecution of the Old Believers. My great-great-grandfather did not want to obey the reforms that Peter the Great conducted .. he was a merchant and lived in Moscow, although before that they had arrived in Moscow from Siberia. disagreeing with Peter's reforms, my great-great-grandfather was forced to leave Russia, and from this he moved to Latgale. Do you call us traitors and Gay Europeans? No ... we didn’t accept Peter's reforms, .. we don’t betray the faith of fathers and grandfathers. adopted his reforms and became Europeans with all the ensuing consequences ... We did not betray our family and faith .. whether we were at least on the edge of the earth or anywhere in the world .. we in our soul and in ourselves carry the faith of fathers and grandfathers, and pain for Russia. So dear forum users, do not be such haters, and do not look around enemies. We argue about politicians, but we are united by one thing ... we want the greatness of Russia and its People. Thank you for your attention.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 March 2018 01: 32
      +1
      Quote: Mengad
      So dear forum users, do not be such haters, and do not look around enemies.

      We do not need to look for them, they themselves are looking for us. We did not build the NATO and US bases near our borders.
    2. Mihail28
      Mihail28 24 March 2018 05: 49
      +3
      In your fairy tale there are more contradictions than historical facts.
      From the beginning, that Peter the Great began persecution of the Old Believers.
      It is also not clear why your great-great-grandfather, the old believer, went from Siberia to Moscow, where the persecution of the Old Believers was in full swing. And at the same time, your great-great-grandfather-starover fled from persecution in the Baltic states. As a masochist, you painted your great-great-grandfather in an oil painting.
      This is right for you, like some psaking:
      - Everyone knows that the Old Believers, persecuted by Peter the Great, fled from his persecution from Siberia to Moscow in order to escape further to the West. One would like to add: where the Catholics met them (Orthodox Old Believers ???) in their arms.
      Do you understand what nonsense you wrote? Bullshit Sobchak.
  30. Ingvar0401
    Ingvar0401 23 March 2018 14: 26
    +4
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Orionvit (Orionvit) Today, 13:47 ↑
    This was noticeable when voting on the site following the election results. Let me remind you. If in Russia as a whole the “fifth column” and pseudo patriots accounted for 23,3%, then the site has almost half the members of the forum. The result is indicative.
    I agree with a colleague! hi By the way, for comments on that article, I also received two warnings and also for expressing a different point of view from the site’s policy, which drowned for Grudinin as a steam locomotive. Only here is which of Grudinin’s “patriot” of Russia is not a secret for anyone, well, probably except perhaps the site’s administration itself.

    P.S. I repeat the guys, I do not care, but you can be banned for the flood to the article. So be careful. I appeal in advance to the moderators, if it’s only me to be punished, because I deliberately threw this flood. I ask you not to touch those who answered my comments, people are not to blame. And they will not give me a separate topic on this subject, most likely.

    I agree with you on all points. And if they banned a company, I won’t really worry ....
  31. Ivan Andreevich Seledkin
    Ivan Andreevich Seledkin 23 March 2018 14: 27
    0
    Here's another stuff, they say Putin is not real, but his doppelganger. Why lawyers will not take the distributors of these fakes by their ass and will not exact considerable money from them in court, or even not institute criminal proceedings against them ?!
  32. Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 23 March 2018 14: 31
    +1
    So always there was a grade of such heaps. With the Germans, the French, the British ....... Where are we bastard;). Do not touch them, let them lie further, they smell bad, but they begin to attack even stronger.
  33. Mengad
    Mengad 23 March 2018 14: 37
    0
    Quote: Ivan A. Seledkin
    Here's another stuff, they say Putin is not real, but his doppelganger. Why lawyers will not take the distributors of these fakes by their ass and will not exact considerable money from them in court, or even not institute criminal proceedings against them ?!

    How do you know that this is not a double? Or will you deny that virtually every less significant leader has doubles from security? Remind Stalin? And how do you imagine such a lawsuit? laughing Where will the court be? On the territory of the Russian Federation? Or Zimbabwe? Sorry, but did you understand what you proposed?) I understand ... emotions wink
  34. Skyiva
    Skyiva 23 March 2018 14: 40
    0
    A good article and an objective review, as opposed to a biased and one-sided review on this topic, by doctors of some sciences ...
  35. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 23 March 2018 14: 42
    +2
    But even one combat-ready MiG-31 with a “Dagger” is already guaranteed minus one American aircraft carrier.


    A highly controversial statement.
  36. Disorder
    Disorder 23 March 2018 15: 12
    0
    And how will the 6th Fleet fight the Black Sea, thoroughly shooting through the Black Sea from the coast?
  37. misti1973
    misti1973 23 March 2018 15: 24
    +1
    Only combat actions are capable of showing or not. I can only say that we will have to fight with half the world! How did Putin manage to lead the country into such a situation in just two years?
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 23 March 2018 16: 12
    +2
    You can of course (without any doubts) share with the author of the article his "patriotic" enthusiasm, only arithmetic. in this case, no one is able to cancel mathematics, and they directly talk about that. that the balance of power on this theater is not in our favor! Unfortunately! winked
  39. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 23 March 2018 16: 34
    +3
    The admiralty wants large strike surface ships of the ocean zone - and makes noise about the allegedly fleet inefficiency of the fleets, especially the KChF, without them, publishing irresponsible moans. Of course, no one would refuse a krupnyak, it is urgent to modernize the existing one, but with limited production and budgetary capabilities of the country, priority is given to the aerospace forces, airborne forces and ground forces, and in the Navy - MRK, anaerobic diesel-electric submarines and nuclear submarines, ships and aircraft submarines and coastal troops, mosquito fleet, minesweepers. For effective defense of the near sea zone this should be enough, and this is feasible for industry. But this should be put in order and deployed URGENTLY, temporarily to the detriment of, for example, crab fishermen for 1700 tons of displacement or cruise ships. Emphasis should be placed on river-sea-class warships with "Caliber" capable of being transported along inland waterways.
  40. mikael
    mikael 23 March 2018 16: 34
    0
    and calling me the war that the fleet actually won, the fleet is security, and all wars are won only on the dry shore
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 March 2018 21: 57
      +3
      Quote: Michael
      and call me a war that the fleet actually won,

      F.F.Ushakov, taking from the sea about. Corfu Not a war, of course, but the fleet against the coast worked. By the way, the British fleet during WWII saved the island from occupation. Now the United States is guided by the doctrine of "From the Sea" (Fleet against the coast).
      So, not everything is clear ... But this is not for everybody ...
  41. Curious
    Curious 23 March 2018 16: 38
    +3
    Thesis of the author.
    In that part of modern journalism, which, naturally, is not, because it is an ordinary business product, the headline plays about the same role as packaging on any other product.
    Logical.
    The following thesis.
    One such technologist wrote a quite sellable headline: “The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is powerless to oppose the US Navy” - and can safely run to the cash register to take a queue for an increased fee. Because there is no doubt: such a fragrant sensation will certainly be noticed.
    Fine. All is correct. What does the author do next? And it’s exactly the same as “such a technologist” described by him. Read.
    But even one combat-ready MiG-31 with a “Dagger” is already guaranteed minus one American aircraft carrier
    After such an epic victory, hitting the unfortunate aircraft carriers with your finger, you can safely go to the cashier queue for higher fees. Because there is no doubt: such a fragrant sensation will certainly be noticed.
  42. Larum
    Larum 23 March 2018 16: 42
    +3
    Throw in hats. And we’ll draw another 20 3D cartoons with “daggers” that smash their fleet. Here are about 11 in the picture for the article? Still the same picture and already, like, the fleet in the Mediterranean won ...
  43. arsen69
    arsen69 23 March 2018 18: 13
    +3
    To deter the Americans do not need the Navy the same as theirs. There are enough forces (and not necessarily only naval forces) that can inflict unacceptable damage on them. The fact that the United States is still relatively quiet around Syria and does not undertake large-scale military actions suggests that Russia has such forces, and their presence does not raise the slightest doubt. What is there to argue about?
  44. flicker
    flicker 23 March 2018 20: 12
    +3
    But even one combat-ready MiG-31 with a “Dagger” is already guaranteed minus one American aircraft carrier.
    Militarily, but politically - this is a blow to the hegemon between the legs in front of the eyes of the whole world. One aircraft carrier is about 5000 sailors who went to the bottom of the sea.
    Here's how different exchanges will react to a sunken hegemonic aircraft carrier? What will happen to the dollar? Will there be enough 700 billion to rearm the US Army, if something happens to the dollar?
  45. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 23 March 2018 22: 09
    +1
    Karmazin once said that patriotism for the homeland should not blind.
  46. PVL176
    PVL176 24 March 2018 01: 42
    0
    Already learned from the first lines to determine Selivanovism-a mixture of hat-making with incompetence and bravado. But why not? Now this is government policy.
  47. Yura Ehlakov
    Yura Ehlakov 24 March 2018 02: 32
    0
    Well, at first there were a lot of such nonsense guys who were full of catchy headlines, and there were enough readers too, a specialist and an analyst would grab a couple of lines, another time you’ll see what they’re writing, it’s better to keep silent who the KGB didn’t send. Returning to the Russian ships there is nothing critical; you don’t have to inflate an elephant from a fly as we like (analysts). There is a coastal bastion for this and much more, it replaces one another. So do not panic. Well, at least we criticize all specialists, but how do they all know ????. Probably the president himself is reporting. And still there are a lot of whiners and provocateurs all of them are not so forever all is bad everything is wrong. And they themselves made a contribution, only with their tongue, filthy revenge in the corners, that's what they are capable of, just not a man, but yap. And then Putin for 18 years is not something that did not go wrong duck stand up show how it should. I can not stand such idiots. Everything will be fine, we just need to unite together, and right now we need it, how much it will be needed, they are shaking from all sides, and mattress and Europe are idiots, bedding pro-Western.
  48. Pachom lukonja
    Pachom lukonja 24 March 2018 05: 30
    +1
    Some kind of strange article ... Analysis of the state of the Black Sea Fleet is presented as alarmism. Hedgehog it’s clear that alone the corvettes against the 6th fleet will not fight, but then what, is everything fine with us? Is the armor strong and our tanks fast? And the American 6th fleet consists of one ship, why are we even puffing our hats? No one disputes our achievements in the field of technology, but the real embodiment, excuse me, excites. And there are plenty of reasons. Trite is not enough money. This is the disruption of programs for the construction of new ships, tanks, the same "Armat", etc. Therefore, we have "Daggers", but ... it seems that a little. Do you know what bothers? Here, for example, the S-400 complex. How many volleys will he make before his rockets run out? And how many goals will he have in case of what? Do you know how Arabs Israelis were bred into air defense systems? The blanks were launched until those missiles began to end, and then military ... The author shows legitimate anxiety for a possible imbalance of forces and disruption of programs to restore it, and you unsubscribe in the style of "don’t be afraid, everything’s fine, there’s a dagger lasers. " Are you sure, Mr. Selivanov? After all, do you have all the information? But I am also worried, I look around at our industry, or rather its absence, and somehow I hardly believe that our tanks and planes are stamped like hot cakes. Why then pound yourself in the chest with your fist ??
    1. LIP
      LIP 24 March 2018 23: 54
      0
      I wonder why all of the US aircraft carriers returned to their bases ?! Apparently the skin is the road? And horns are also not cheap today. Our fleet, like that spool, is small, but expensive, that is, there is something for them to be afraid of !!! And you, dear, do not sprinkle salt on the wound. Sinyavin, Ushakov and Nakhimov beat the enemy with significantly less forces. So the commandment of Suvorov is not a number, but a skill that is objective in our time. And if you are at least somehow close to the Navy, then do not wake famously while it is quiet.
  49. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 24 March 2018 11: 53
    0
    And yet, at any cost, we need to find a relatively inexpensive option (or project) for the accelerated construction of a mass universal warship, from which we can create large strike groups in all fleets. Most likely it should be a frigate, but its strike power is superior to the destroyer, and in some ways a missile cruiser. In addition, despite the latest military developments, due to the systematic encirclement of Russia with western bases, we must stubbornly and systematically withdraw a significant part of our strike forces to the ocean. For example, we urgently need a very powerful squadron in the Mediterranean. This factor alone will significantly depreciate NATO’s movement towards our borders.
    1. LIP
      LIP 24 March 2018 23: 50
      0
      Do not worry, dear! There is someone to think about. And in the Mediterranean Sea, a solid barrier was put to the enemy.
    2. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 25 March 2018 19: 04
      +1
      Quote: andrew 07
      And yet, at any cost, we need to find a relatively inexpensive option (or project) for the accelerated construction of a mass universal warship, from which we can create large strike groups in all fleets. Most likely it should be a frigate, but its strike power is superior to the destroyer, and in some ways a missile cruiser.

      Why do we need to create large strike groups in all fleets? Did we suddenly have the task of conquering the whole world?
      Quote: andrew 07
      In addition, despite the latest military developments, due to the systematic encirclement of Russia with western bases, we must stubbornly and systematically withdraw a significant part of our strike forces to the ocean.

      Why do we need to bring a significant part of our strike forces to the ocean? To be easily destroyed there? If a bear needs to tear an eagle, then why should a bear attach wings and learn to fly? God has given us such a coastline on our borders that for the enemy the possibility of approaching to strike is completely excluded. Look at the cards, make sure. That in the north, that in the south, that in the east.
      Quote: andrew 07
      For example, we urgently need a very powerful squadron in the Mediterranean. This factor alone will significantly depreciate NATO’s movement towards our borders.

      In the Mediterranean, we already have a powerful squadron, which, relying on the power of our entire army, can destroy ANY AGGRESSOR. Putin told you, but you still don’t believe.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 18 2018 16: 30
        0
        Zomboyaschik regularly watch? With a string of thread jerky connection. This is not the end of the 70s, you have to be realistic.
  50. Mengad
    Mengad 24 March 2018 12: 28
    +2
    Quote: Michael28
    In your fairy tale there are more contradictions than historical facts.
    From the beginning, that Peter the Great began persecution of the Old Believers.
    It is also not clear why your great-great-grandfather, the old believer, went from Siberia to Moscow, where the persecution of the Old Believers was in full swing. And at the same time, your great-great-grandfather-starover fled from persecution in the Baltic states. As a masochist, you painted your great-great-grandfather in an oil painting.
    This is right for you, like some psaking:
    - Everyone knows that the Old Believers, persecuted by Peter the Great, fled from his persecution from Siberia to Moscow in order to escape further to the West. One would like to add: where the Catholics met them (Orthodox Old Believers ???) in their arms.
    Do you understand what nonsense you wrote? Bullshit Sobchak.

    There are always ignoramuses in society ..and still not remembering their kinship. All the best to you.