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Russian anti-submarine ships equip "caliber"

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The Russian Navy has launched a program to modernize the "workhorses" of the surface forces - large anti-submarine ships (BOD) of the 1155 Udaly project, according to News.




Launchers of cruise missiles "Caliber" will receive at least five ships. Work has already begun. At present, the complexes are being installed at the Admiral Shaposhnikov BPC. According to the Navy, the modernization will also consider the possibility of equipping them with Onyx prospective anti-ship missiles.

“Built back in the 80s, the 1155 frigates were technically sophisticated and unpretentious, so they still form the basis of ocean surface forces. But until recently, these ships were equipped with only 100-mm guns, torpedo missiles "Metel" and anti-aircraft complex "Dagger" ", - the newspaper writes.

The frigates clearly lacked anti-ship weapons.

According to military historian Dmitry Boltenkov, after the modernization of the BOD will become more versatile and will be able to serve another 15-ti years.

These ships absorbed the latest achievements of the Soviet defense industry, have proven themselves, and sailors praise them. Modernization is needed. Now they are armed only with guns and an outdated missile system that can not cope with modern air defense systems. "Caliber", most likely, will be installed in the bow of the ship - instead of the front gun turret. Thus, it is possible in a short time to get a ship that meets all urgent needs. fleet,
said Boltenkov.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 22 March 2018 10: 03
    +11
    What is characteristic ... with a relatively small displacement after modernization, these ships will be able to destroy both large surface ships of the enemy, and work on targets on the shore ... Being a principle of reasonable sufficiency ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 March 2018 10: 13
      +9
      It has a displacement slightly less than the 2 berke:
      7600 at BOD
      8300 at Burke
    2. Romulus
      Romulus 22 March 2018 11: 21
      0
      Quote: Vard
      Which is characteristic.

      Ward than you begin to remind me of Baikonur ... repeat wassat
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 March 2018 14: 01
      +1
      So you need a lot of small ships with good weapons, this is a very serious force.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 22 March 2018 14: 34
      +3
      Video to the news
  2. 210ox
    210ox 22 March 2018 10: 05
    +4
    Of course, it’s time to modernize. We cannot build new weapons, since we cannot build ships quickly. Well, we are not Chinese.
    1. Chichikov
      Chichikov 22 March 2018 16: 05
      0
      Yeah, Putin is to blame ...
      1. faiver
        faiver 22 March 2018 17: 25
        0
        and he including ...
  3. Ingvar0401
    Ingvar0401 22 March 2018 10: 05
    +5
    Great news...
    1. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 22 March 2018 14: 46
      +1
      Well, as news ... Here I wrote in August last year. And who knows very well and knew even earlier.
      Quote: DarkMatter

      No. 737 (570-ЕП) - product 3Р14Н-1155 [universal shipboard fire control system (UKSUS) of the Caliber complex] for ordering the head. No. 114, 1 set, Morinformsystem-Agat (Moscow), 439 rubles, 11.07.2019
      That is, in 2020, the minimum, if without shifts.
  4. Ural cossack
    Ural cossack 22 March 2018 10: 05
    +5
    Theoretically, you can stick a gauge on a cargo ship!
    1. Vard
      Vard 22 March 2018 10: 09
      +4
      For bulk carriers there are containers with missiles ... A cube seems to be like ... And by the way, who knows how many there are now in the seas and oceans ...
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 22 March 2018 10: 17
        +3
        Quote: Vard
        And by the way, who knows how many of them now walk across the seas and oceans ...

        not how much ... not one !!!
        Quote: Vard
        Cube sort of.

        wassat laughing .... with fuel wassat
        1. Vard
          Vard 22 March 2018 10: 21
          +1
          It is unlikely that this information is freely available ...
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 22 March 2018 10: 48
            0
            Quote: Vard
            It is unlikely that this information is freely available ...

            as infa about containers with missiles traveling across the seas .... this is nonsense of journalists
      2. Bronevick
        Bronevick 22 March 2018 10: 33
        +2
        I guess you mean the Club, well, or in Russian Club.
      3. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 22 March 2018 10: 38
        +2
        Quote: Vard
        For bulk carriers there are containers with missiles ... A cube seems to be like ... And by the way, who knows how many there are now in the seas and oceans ...

        Club complex.
        I do not think that these complexes go somewhere there. It is one thing to transport these containers on railway platforms and trailers, to store them in ports (and it is unlikely) on their own territory, and it is quite another to send them abroad on other container ships to foreign territorial waters. Too much risk and complex organization.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 22 March 2018 11: 21
          +1
          Quote: Hagalaz
          on foreign container ships to foreign territorial waters

          load on our cargo ship and drive across the oceans
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 22 March 2018 11: 37
            +1
            Without going to ports?
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 22 March 2018 11: 16
        +3
        Quote: Vard
        Cube sort of like ..

        Club-K
        1. Charik
          Charik 22 March 2018 11: 54
          +1
          What rocket on the X-35 is similar?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 March 2018 13: 25
            0
            Quote: Charik
            What rocket on the X-35 is similar?

            According to leaked Club-K data, this is a Caliber modification with a range of up to 300km.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 22 March 2018 14: 04
          0
          It would be nice to have such with YABCh yet.
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 22 March 2018 12: 12
        +5
        Quote: Vard
        Cube sort of ...

        Not Cube, but CLAB-K. hi
    2. Kunica
      Kunica 22 March 2018 10: 11
      0
      To fight the Somali pirates))
  5. novel66
    novel66 22 March 2018 10: 08
    +2
    instead of the front gun turret
    but what about without a gun? request don't even salute
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 22 March 2018 10: 12
      +4
      Quote: novel xnumx
      instead of the front gun turret
      but what about without a gun? request don't even salute


      and caliber? in modern times we live tea .. laughing and a chic salute will turn out for 2500 km laughing
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 22 March 2018 10: 54
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        and caliber?

        A single Caliber also happen? belay
        Hi! drinks
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 22 March 2018 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          A single Caliber also happen?


          with nuclear power plant laughing unlimited salute time ... laughing
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 22 March 2018 10: 13
      +3
      hi Roma is healthy!
      Quote: novel xnumx
      what about without a gun? don't even salute

      laughing And count up, salute caliber !!!!!! Steepness good
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 March 2018 10: 14
        +3
        I am afraid that the saluted may be overtaken. with a cross. Hi hi
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 22 March 2018 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: novel xnumx
          I am afraid that the saluted may be overtaken. with a cross. Hi hi


          but the sheriff’s Negro problems are not interested ..- American proverb

          this is Russia baby laughing
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 22 March 2018 10: 19
      0
      don't even salute
      They will salute with Gauges ... wassat
      With a festive warhead. This is how much candy and cluster crackers can be loaded into one rocket !!!
    4. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 22 March 2018 10: 20
      +6
      Moscow will salute, let it be done. smile
    5. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 22 March 2018 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: novel xnumx
      instead of the front gun turret
      but what about without a gun? request don't even salute

      Hello Roman hi Perhaps one of the towers will be removed, and one will be left ...
    6. sivuch
      sivuch 22 March 2018 11: 22
      +2
      Why not? one should be left anyway. At one time, the placement of two acres was considered unsuccessful, or rather, not from a good life. The shelling sectors are almost the same and the survivability is relatively low - one hit by anti-ship missiles - and both downs are covered. Of course, it would be better to replace it with one AU-192, but somehow I can’t believe it.
    7. SOF
      SOF 22 March 2018 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: novel xnumx
      instead of the front gun turret
      but what about without a gun? request don't even salute

      ... so after all, on Udalom (pr. 1155) there are two towers of 100 mm each. The nasal is changed to "Caliber", and about the second - silence. Maybe it will be updated to AK130, as on 1155.1
  6. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 22 March 2018 10: 10
    0
    during the modernization, the possibility of equipping them with Onyx promising anti-ship missiles will also be considered

    Here is a better Onyx than Caliber. Or combine in certain proportions, but it is unlikely that this is technically possible.
    1. Bronevick
      Bronevick 22 March 2018 10: 38
      0
      Cells are universal for Onyx and Caliber, you need to change the radar, and it is very expensive.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 March 2018 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Here is a better Onyx than Caliber.

      And this is eternal confusion - due to the fact that the name "Caliber" refers to both the missiles themselves and the system as a whole.
      The "Caliber" system allows the use of both the KR / RCC / PLUR "Caliber" and the KR / RCC "Onyx".
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 March 2018 10: 17
    0
    Launchers of Caliber cruise missiles will receive at least five ships ...
    during the modernization will also be considered the possibility of equipping them with promising
    Onyx anti-ship missiles.

    I don’t understand, Gauges will work on land, and Onyxes on ships?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 22 March 2018 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      during the modernization will also be considered the possibility of equipping them with promising
      Onyx anti-ship missiles.


      the key phrase ... if it is possible to install Onyx then .... yes and why not ... a universal ship will work.
    2. Vard
      Vard 22 March 2018 10: 24
      +3
      3S14 Universal Shipborne Firing System (UKSK) is a Russian shipborne vertical launcher manufactured by the Morinformsystem-Agat concern. Designed for shooting with both Caliber and Onyx ... and Zircons ...
    3. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 22 March 2018 14: 41
      0
      In addition to the cells themselves, equipment is still needed, for Caliber and Onyx it is different. You want only Caliber - one price, you want Onyx, buy more equipment. Everything is simple.
      Looks at Buyanah-M Onyx, apparently there isn’t, and they talk about 11356 too, but this is not accurate =)
  8. Yrec
    Yrec 22 March 2018 10: 21
    0
    It seems to me, gentlemen, that “Onyx” is the “Caliber” in anti-punitive performance. Launchers they seem to be the same. And the GOS can be screwed onto the "Caliber" in addition to satellite / inertial guidance.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 March 2018 10: 25
      0
      So it seems to me that RCC Caliber does not exist. There is a regular Caliber (analog
      Tomahawk) is RCC Onyx.
      1. Bronevick
        Bronevick 22 March 2018 10: 45
        +6

        The first anti-ship, the second for ground targets, the third anti-submarine.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 March 2018 10: 48
          +1
          Thank. It seems that for ground purposes should be the longest? Fly longer ...
          1. Bronevick
            Bronevick 22 March 2018 10: 59
            +1
            For ground purposes, the one in the middle with the bluntest nose. In the photo, all missiles are in export performance with range limitations.
          2. Charik
            Charik 22 March 2018 11: 59
            +1
            with a sharp nose, so that it sticks into the trough better
        2. Yrec
          Yrec 22 March 2018 11: 09
          +1
          If the next one is RCC, then it should be possible to switch to supersonic to break through the missile defense of the ship. Longer is the presence of an afterburner and a supersonic fairing. Probably...
          1. Bronevick
            Bronevick 22 March 2018 11: 18
            +2
            The entire Caliber family of rockets is a subsonic missile. There isn’t any afterburner there, maybe you mean a solid fuel starting engine. A radar guidance head is installed under the fairing. For supersonic there is a P-800 Onyx missile. Well, perhaps the mythical Zircon will soon appear.
            1. Yrec
              Yrec 22 March 2018 11: 50
              0
              Subsonic RCC is a dumb thing nowadays. Are you sure the Caliber is completely subsonic? Or maybe only an export option?
              1. Bronevick
                Bronevick 22 March 2018 11: 58
                0
                Sure, the Caliber family of missiles is a fully subsonic missile.
                1. Yrec
                  Yrec 22 March 2018 12: 05
                  0
                  So, in the RCC variant, they only use unprotected vessels to sink them.
                  1. Bronevick
                    Bronevick 22 March 2018 12: 12
                    0
                    The main bet is placed on the P-800 Onyx. Well, we now have the "absolute weapon Dagger."
              2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 March 2018 16: 46
                0
                Quote: Yrec
                Subsonic RCC is a stupid thing nowadays.

                ??? Tell this to the Americans with their LRASM, they will laugh heartily.
                A subsonic rocket has its advantages - for example, the main one is a long flight at ultra-low altitude. In order for the supersonic to fly far, it needs to climb kilometers at 10 heights, where it is clearly visible
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 March 2018 16: 44
              +2
              Quote: Bronevick
              The entire Caliber family of rockets is a subsonic missile.

              But as if one of them in the attack still goes to supersonic
              1. BastaKarapuzik And
                BastaKarapuzik And 22 March 2018 20: 32
                0
                If you believe Wikipedia, then the anti-ship version of the rocket Caliber on the march has 0.8 mach, and the target has 2.9 mach. Also, the flight altitude, on a march of 20 meters, has a target of 10. And anti-submarine missiles are announced, which may seem strange, like supersonic, with a ballistic flight path.
                These are all export variants of missiles.
                Yes, here is this article-
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BB%
                D0%B8%D0%B1%D1%80_(%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%B0
                %D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82
                % D1% 8B)
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 22 March 2018 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        So it seems to me

        It seems to you .. Under the code "Caliber" are several missiles .. CR, RCC and PLCR.
      3. Yrec
        Yrec 22 March 2018 10: 53
        +2
        If both Onyx and Caliber fire from the same launcher, then they have one form factor. Those. it can be the same missile, only with different guidance. Modern combat electronics allows the use of multitasking. Why not gash it, because it is logical to expand the use of one rocket, instead of two different ones inside, but the same ones outside. This is my "sofa" opinion.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 March 2018 10: 46
      +8
      Quote: Yrec
      It seems to me, gentlemen, that “Onyx” is “Caliber”

      It gives up badly :))) Caliber is a RCC version of subsonic CR, and Onyx is a Mosquito development, i.e. supersonic rocket. They are completely different
      1. Yrec
        Yrec 22 March 2018 11: 05
        0
        I understood my mistake. Then the "Caliber" in the RCC variant should be able to break through the naval missile defense, for example, switch to supersonic with maneuvering when approaching. It’s unlikely to break through the ship’s normal missile defense.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 March 2018 16: 46
          0
          Quote: Yrec
          It’s unlikely to break through the ship’s normal missile defense.

          In general, no problem if the subsonic is combined with an ultra-low profile. How much they bring down, but ...
        2. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 31 March 2018 21: 32
          0
          The transition to supersonic targets, this is exactly what Caliber does.
          Commentators confuse Caliber family missiles with simple subsonic anti-ship missiles, this is wrong.
  9. New Year day
    New Year day 22 March 2018 11: 22
    +2
    modernization project option
    1. Charik
      Charik 22 March 2018 12: 03
      0
      This turns out to be 16 inclined pu and 8 vertical lines? -norms and Th 16 pcr-even though X35 in inclined and in the air - it can even be placed? different.
    2. Zubr
      Zubr 22 March 2018 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      modernization project option
      So he’s the finished small missile cruiser. With such a shock complex.
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  11. konstantin68
    konstantin68 22 March 2018 11: 29
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Hagalaz
    on foreign container ships to foreign territorial waters

    load on our cargo ship and drive across the oceans

    In simple terms, piracy? Do not make me laugh.
  12. Zubr
    Zubr 22 March 2018 11: 51
    +1
    And why didn’t they say how many launchers will be? It’s interesting, but they’ve persecuted, and now sit down guessing. =)
  13. alex80
    alex80 22 March 2018 12: 06
    +1
    Quote: Yrec
    I understood my mistake. Then the "Caliber" in the RCC variant should be able to break through the naval missile defense, for example, switch to supersonic with maneuvering when approaching. It’s unlikely to break through the ship’s normal missile defense.

    And who told you that this is not so? If I’m not mistaken, then at the PKR Caliber ZM-54E the speed on the march is 0,8 M, the target already has 2,9 M, the height on the march is 20 m, and the target is 10 m.
    1. Yrec
      Yrec 22 March 2018 12: 20
      0
      That's what I'm talking about. But one comrade claims that the "Caliber" is purely subsonic.
  14. 89625588851
    89625588851 22 March 2018 12: 09
    0
    More than once, they already wrote that they are going to put Uraniums on Shaposhnikov ... ??? And if I understood correctly, the flock is based on the opinion of a military historian! Nice, but dubious info!
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 22 March 2018 12: 33
      0
      To put the X-35 on a ship of this class is to equate it with corvettes and missile boats.
      1. 89625588851
        89625588851 22 March 2018 18: 08
        0
        You tell it to those who are engaged in their modernization.
  15. NEXUS
    NEXUS 22 March 2018 12: 16
    +5
    According to the Navy, the upgrade will also consider the possibility of equipping them with Onyx promising anti-ship missiles.

    I didn’t understand something ... after all, a universal launcher has already been created, in which it is possible to place both Caliber and Onyx ... or will there be another launcher on these ships?
  16. Engineer
    Engineer 22 March 2018 12: 31
    0
    And both heavy guns must be dismantled and put one A190. Yes, "Blizzard" is an old complex, on the later and upgraded ones there is already a "Bell"
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 22 March 2018 13: 44
    0
    Quote: Yrec
    Subsonic RCC is a dumb thing nowadays. Are you sure the Caliber is completely subsonic? Or maybe only an export option?

    Didn’t you see the video of the very first Caliber strikes on objects in Syria - on the route, and before you hit the object? belay It doesn’t smell like a supersonic sound. sad
    1. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 22 March 2018 22: 35
      0
      There are currently four different missiles for the Caliber complex.
      1. For ground targets with a range of 1500 - 2500 (apple), purely subsonic.
      2. Antiship with a range of 800 km (2 steps), purely subsonic.
      3. Anti-ship with a range of up to 500 km (3 stages), the last supersonic.
      4. Antisubmarine with a range of 80 km (with a torpedo ala package NK). yes
  18. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 22 March 2018 14: 42
    0
    Very correct decision! In addition to building the latest ships of various ranks, to modernize and equip the "old men" of the BOD, they would have to replace the air defense .... and it would turn out to be a very dangerous strike ship for any enemy !!!
  19. Palagecha
    Palagecha 22 March 2018 18: 38
    +1
    Thank you and a deep bow, Soviet military-industrial complex !!! So far, we don’t have anything of our own, we use and will use your weapons and developments until at least the middle of the century ... hi
  20. Charik
    Charik 22 March 2018 21: 10
    0
    and how much ash contains in vpu-winged?