Russian anti-submarine ships equip "caliber"

The Russian Navy has launched a program to modernize the "workhorses" of the surface forces - large anti-submarine ships (BOD) of the 1155 Udaly project, according to News.

Launchers of cruise missiles "Caliber" will receive at least five ships. Work has already begun. At present, the complexes are being installed at the Admiral Shaposhnikov BPC. According to the Navy, the modernization will also consider the possibility of equipping them with Onyx prospective anti-ship missiles.

“Built back in the 80s, the 1155 frigates were technically sophisticated and unpretentious, so they still form the basis of ocean surface forces. But until recently, these ships were equipped with only 100-mm guns, torpedo missiles "Metel" and anti-aircraft complex "Dagger" ", - the newspaper writes.

The frigates clearly lacked anti-ship weapons.

According to military historian Dmitry Boltenkov, after the modernization of the BOD will become more versatile and will be able to serve another 15-ti years.

These ships absorbed the latest achievements of the Soviet defense industry, have proven themselves, and sailors praise them. Modernization is needed. Now they are armed only with guns and an outdated missile system that can not cope with modern air defense systems. "Caliber", most likely, will be installed in the bow of the ship - instead of the front gun turret. Thus, it is possible in a short time to get a ship that meets all urgent needs. fleet,

said Boltenkov.

Comments

[Vard]

What is characteristic ... with a relatively small displacement after modernization, these ships will be able to destroy both large surface ships of the enemy, and work on targets on the shore ... Being a principle of reasonable sufficiency ...

[donavi49]

It has a displacement slightly less than the 2 berke:
7600 at BOD
8300 at Burke

[Romulus]

Quote: Vard

Which is characteristic.

Ward than you begin to remind me of Baikonur ...

[Incvizitor]

So you need a lot of small ships with good weapons, this is a very serious force.

[Lord of the Sith]

Video to the news

[210ox]

Of course, it’s time to modernize. We cannot build new weapons, since we cannot build ships quickly. Well, we are not Chinese.

[Chichikov]

Yeah, Putin is to blame ...

[faiver]

and he including ...

[Ingvar0401]

Great news...

[DarkMatter]

Well, as news ... Here I wrote in August last year. And who knows very well and knew even earlier.

Quote: DarkMatter

No. 737 (570-ЕП) - product 3Р14Н-1155 [universal shipboard fire control system (UKSUS) of the Caliber complex] for ordering the head. No. 114, 1 set, Morinformsystem-Agat (Moscow), 439 rubles, 11.07.2019
That is, in 2020, the minimum, if without shifts.

[Ural cossack]

Theoretically, you can stick a gauge on a cargo ship!

[Vard]

For bulk carriers there are containers with missiles ... A cube seems to be like ... And by the way, who knows how many there are now in the seas and oceans ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Vard

And by the way, who knows how many of them now walk across the seas and oceans ...

not how much ... not one !!!

Quote: Vard

Cube sort of.

.... with fuel

[Vard]

It is unlikely that this information is freely available ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Vard

It is unlikely that this information is freely available ...

as infa about containers with missiles traveling across the seas .... this is nonsense of journalists

[Bronevick]

I guess you mean the Club, well, or in Russian Club.

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Vard

For bulk carriers there are containers with missiles ... A cube seems to be like ... And by the way, who knows how many there are now in the seas and oceans ...

Club complex.
I do not think that these complexes go somewhere there. It is one thing to transport these containers on railway platforms and trailers, to store them in ports (and it is unlikely) on their own territory, and it is quite another to send them abroad on other container ships to foreign territorial waters. Too much risk and complex organization.

[New Year day]

Quote: Hagalaz

on foreign container ships to foreign territorial waters

load on our cargo ship and drive across the oceans

[Hagalaz]

Without going to ports?

[New Year day]

Quote: Vard

Cube sort of like ..

Club-K

[Charik]

What rocket on the X-35 is similar?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Charik

What rocket on the X-35 is similar?

According to leaked Club-K data, this is a Caliber modification with a range of up to 300km.

[Incvizitor]

It would be nice to have such with YABCh yet.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vard

Cube sort of ...

Not Cube, but CLAB-K.

[Kunica]

To fight the Somali pirates))

[novel66]

instead of the front gun turret

but what about without a gun? don't even salute

[vorobey]

Quote: novel xnumx

instead of the front gun turret

but what about without a gun? don't even salute

and caliber? in modern times we live tea .. and a chic salute will turn out for 2500 km

[evil partisan]

Quote: vorobey

and caliber?

A single Caliber also happen?
Hi!

[vorobey]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

A single Caliber also happen?

with nuclear power plant unlimited salute time ...

[Serg65]

Roma is healthy!

Quote: novel xnumx

what about without a gun? don't even salute

And count up, salute caliber !!!!!! Steepness

[novel66]

I am afraid that the saluted may be overtaken. with a cross. Hi

[vorobey]

Quote: novel xnumx

I am afraid that the saluted may be overtaken. with a cross. Hi

but the sheriff’s Negro problems are not interested ..- American proverb

this is Russia baby

[abrakadabre]

don't even salute

They will salute with Gauges ...
With a festive warhead. This is how much candy and cluster crackers can be loaded into one rocket !!!

[ul_vitalii]

Moscow will salute, let it be done.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: novel xnumx

instead of the front gun turret

but what about without a gun? don't even salute

Hello Roman Perhaps one of the towers will be removed, and one will be left ...

[sivuch]

Why not? one should be left anyway. At one time, the placement of two acres was considered unsuccessful, or rather, not from a good life. The shelling sectors are almost the same and the survivability is relatively low - one hit by anti-ship missiles - and both downs are covered. Of course, it would be better to replace it with one AU-192, but somehow I can’t believe it.

[SOF]

Quote: novel xnumx

instead of the front gun turret

but what about without a gun? don't even salute

... so after all, on Udalom (pr. 1155) there are two towers of 100 mm each. The nasal is changed to "Caliber", and about the second - silence. Maybe it will be updated to AK130, as on 1155.1

[Corsair0304]

during the modernization, the possibility of equipping them with Onyx promising anti-ship missiles will also be considered

Here is a better Onyx than Caliber. Or combine in certain proportions, but it is unlikely that this is technically possible.

[Bronevick]

Cells are universal for Onyx and Caliber, you need to change the radar, and it is very expensive.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Corsair0304

Here is a better Onyx than Caliber.

And this is eternal confusion - due to the fact that the name "Caliber" refers to both the missiles themselves and the system as a whole.
The "Caliber" system allows the use of both the KR / RCC / PLUR "Caliber" and the KR / RCC "Onyx".

[voyaka uh]

Launchers of Caliber cruise missiles will receive at least five ships ...
during the modernization will also be considered the possibility of equipping them with promising
Onyx anti-ship missiles.

I don’t understand, Gauges will work on land, and Onyxes on ships?

[vorobey]

Quote: voyaka uh

during the modernization will also be considered the possibility of equipping them with promising
Onyx anti-ship missiles.

the key phrase ... if it is possible to install Onyx then .... yes and why not ... a universal ship will work.

[Vard]

3S14 Universal Shipborne Firing System (UKSK) is a Russian shipborne vertical launcher manufactured by the Morinformsystem-Agat concern. Designed for shooting with both Caliber and Onyx ... and Zircons ...

[DarkMatter]

In addition to the cells themselves, equipment is still needed, for Caliber and Onyx it is different. You want only Caliber - one price, you want Onyx, buy more equipment. Everything is simple.
Looks at Buyanah-M Onyx, apparently there isn’t, and they talk about 11356 too, but this is not accurate =)

[Yrec]

It seems to me, gentlemen, that “Onyx” is the “Caliber” in anti-punitive performance. Launchers they seem to be the same. And the GOS can be screwed onto the "Caliber" in addition to satellite / inertial guidance.

[voyaka uh]

So it seems to me that RCC Caliber does not exist. There is a regular Caliber (analog
Tomahawk) is RCC Onyx.

[Bronevick]

The first anti-ship, the second for ground targets, the third anti-submarine.

[voyaka uh]

Thank. It seems that for ground purposes should be the longest? Fly longer ...

[Bronevick]

For ground purposes, the one in the middle with the bluntest nose. In the photo, all missiles are in export performance with range limitations.

[Charik]

with a sharp nose, so that it sticks into the trough better

[Yrec]

If the next one is RCC, then it should be possible to switch to supersonic to break through the missile defense of the ship. Longer is the presence of an afterburner and a supersonic fairing. Probably...

[Bronevick]

The entire Caliber family of rockets is a subsonic missile. There isn’t any afterburner there, maybe you mean a solid fuel starting engine. A radar guidance head is installed under the fairing. For supersonic there is a P-800 Onyx missile. Well, perhaps the mythical Zircon will soon appear.

[Yrec]

Subsonic RCC is a dumb thing nowadays. Are you sure the Caliber is completely subsonic? Or maybe only an export option?

[Bronevick]

Sure, the Caliber family of missiles is a fully subsonic missile.

[Yrec]

So, in the RCC variant, they only use unprotected vessels to sink them.

[Bronevick]

The main bet is placed on the P-800 Onyx. Well, we now have the "absolute weapon Dagger."

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Yrec

Subsonic RCC is a stupid thing nowadays.

??? Tell this to the Americans with their LRASM, they will laugh heartily.
A subsonic rocket has its advantages - for example, the main one is a long flight at ultra-low altitude. In order for the supersonic to fly far, it needs to climb kilometers at 10 heights, where it is clearly visible

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Bronevick

The entire Caliber family of rockets is a subsonic missile.

But as if one of them in the attack still goes to supersonic

[BastaKarapuzik And]

If you believe Wikipedia, then the anti-ship version of the rocket Caliber on the march has 0.8 mach, and the target has 2.9 mach. Also, the flight altitude, on a march of 20 meters, has a target of 10. And anti-submarine missiles are announced, which may seem strange, like supersonic, with a ballistic flight path.
These are all export variants of missiles.
Yes, here is this article-
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BB%
D0%B8%D0%B1%D1%80_(%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%B0
%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82
% D1% 8B)

[dvina71]

Quote: voyaka uh

So it seems to me

It seems to you .. Under the code "Caliber" are several missiles .. CR, RCC and PLCR.

[Yrec]

If both Onyx and Caliber fire from the same launcher, then they have one form factor. Those. it can be the same missile, only with different guidance. Modern combat electronics allows the use of multitasking. Why not gash it, because it is logical to expand the use of one rocket, instead of two different ones inside, but the same ones outside. This is my "sofa" opinion.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Yrec

It seems to me, gentlemen, that “Onyx” is “Caliber”

It gives up badly :))) Caliber is a RCC version of subsonic CR, and Onyx is a Mosquito development, i.e. supersonic rocket. They are completely different

[Yrec]

I understood my mistake. Then the "Caliber" in the RCC variant should be able to break through the naval missile defense, for example, switch to supersonic with maneuvering when approaching. It’s unlikely to break through the ship’s normal missile defense.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Yrec

It’s unlikely to break through the ship’s normal missile defense.

In general, no problem if the subsonic is combined with an ultra-low profile. How much they bring down, but ...

[BastaKarapuzik And]

The transition to supersonic targets, this is exactly what Caliber does.
Commentators confuse Caliber family missiles with simple subsonic anti-ship missiles, this is wrong.

[New Year day]

modernization project option

[Charik]

This turns out to be 16 inclined pu and 8 vertical lines? -norms and Th 16 pcr-even though X35 in inclined and in the air - it can even be placed? different.

[Zubr]

Quote: Silvestr

modernization project option

So he’s the finished small missile cruiser. With such a shock complex.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Hagalaz

on foreign container ships to foreign territorial waters

load on our cargo ship and drive across the oceans

In simple terms, piracy? Do not make me laugh.

[Zubr]

And why didn’t they say how many launchers will be? It’s interesting, but they’ve persecuted, and now sit down guessing. =)

[alex80]

Quote: Yrec

I understood my mistake. Then the "Caliber" in the RCC variant should be able to break through the naval missile defense, for example, switch to supersonic with maneuvering when approaching. It’s unlikely to break through the ship’s normal missile defense.

And who told you that this is not so? If I’m not mistaken, then at the PKR Caliber ZM-54E the speed on the march is 0,8 M, the target already has 2,9 M, the height on the march is 20 m, and the target is 10 m.

[Yrec]

That's what I'm talking about. But one comrade claims that the "Caliber" is purely subsonic.

[89625588851]

More than once, they already wrote that they are going to put Uraniums on Shaposhnikov ... ??? And if I understood correctly, the flock is based on the opinion of a military historian! Nice, but dubious info!

[Engineer]

To put the X-35 on a ship of this class is to equate it with corvettes and missile boats.

[89625588851]

You tell it to those who are engaged in their modernization.

[NEXUS]

According to the Navy, the upgrade will also consider the possibility of equipping them with Onyx promising anti-ship missiles.

I didn’t understand something ... after all, a universal launcher has already been created, in which it is possible to place both Caliber and Onyx ... or will there be another launcher on these ships?

[Engineer]

And both heavy guns must be dismantled and put one A190. Yes, "Blizzard" is an old complex, on the later and upgraded ones there is already a "Bell"

[Radical]

Quote: Yrec

Subsonic RCC is a dumb thing nowadays. Are you sure the Caliber is completely subsonic? Or maybe only an export option?

Didn’t you see the video of the very first Caliber strikes on objects in Syria - on the route, and before you hit the object? It doesn’t smell like a supersonic sound.

[1c-inform-city]

There are currently four different missiles for the Caliber complex.
1. For ground targets with a range of 1500 - 2500 (apple), purely subsonic.
2. Antiship with a range of 800 km (2 steps), purely subsonic.
3. Anti-ship with a range of up to 500 km (3 stages), the last supersonic.
4. Antisubmarine with a range of 80 km (with a torpedo ala package NK).

[Alexey-74]

Very correct decision! In addition to building the latest ships of various ranks, to modernize and equip the "old men" of the BOD, they would have to replace the air defense .... and it would turn out to be a very dangerous strike ship for any enemy !!!

[Palagecha]

Thank you and a deep bow, Soviet military-industrial complex !!! So far, we don’t have anything of our own, we use and will use your weapons and developments until at least the middle of the century ...

[Charik]

and how much ash contains in vpu-winged?