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The historian predicted a catastrophe in Poland because of the "Russian party"

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The coming disaster of Poland and the crisis in relations between Warsaw and Kiev will be caused by the creation of a pro-Russian party in the country, reports RIA News statement of the historian Jerzy Targalsky.




According to the historian, in Poland there is a “pro-Russian part of politicians who, in the event of government inaction, will be able to create a party in a few months,” which will be supported by “about 15% of voters”.

She will pursue nationalist, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian and anti-American policies. One of the highlights of its program will be a call for alliance with Russia against the US and NATO,
he explained.

Targalsky believes that this situation has been brewing for the past 2 years, and the ruling party Law and Justice is to blame for this. Her leadership believed that she could keep control over the situation in the country, but this was a mistaken opinion, he noted.

Today, “in the Polish media and Polish politics, the positions of pro-Russian leaders are strengthening, and their ideas are increasingly supported in society, and if the government does not take the necessary measures, all this can lead to a catastrophe,” the historian believes.

He also urged not to actively use the law on the Institute of National Remembrance of Poland, since this "will not only provoke a sharp reaction from Kiev, but also provoke an international scandal."

Earlier, the Polish Sejm passed a law providing for criminal liability for denying the crimes of the Ukrainian nationalists against the Poles during the Second World War. Concerns about the adoption of such a law have already expressed the President of Ukraine Poroshenko and the Minister of Foreign Affairs Klimkin.
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  1. Logall
    Logall 22 March 2018 08: 50
    +12
    She will pursue nationalist, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian and anti-American policies. One of the highlights of her program will be a call for an alliance with Russia against the US and NATO.

    I would like to! Let it be so... yes We support, if anything, then vote. There is experience, the Americans will confirm.
    And to be honest, many are "fed up" with anti-Russian politics. Someone is afraid of war because of the actions of NATO, someone suffers losses, and someone just realizes that Poland is going the wrong way, is going the wrong way of prosperity, going against the economically beneficial interests of the state ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 22 March 2018 08: 57
      +8
      Alexander hi I just think that our leaders can again yawn a similar tendency ... How Kharkov, Kherson, Odessa "yawned". Unfortunately.
      Quote: Logall
      She will pursue nationalist, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian and anti-American policies. One of the highlights of her program will be a call for an alliance with Russia against the US and NATO.

      I would like to! Let it be so... yes We support, if anything, then vote. There is experience, the Americans will confirm.
      And to be honest, many are "fed up" with anti-Russian politics. Someone is afraid of war because of the actions of NATO, someone suffers losses, and someone just realizes that Poland is going the wrong way, is going the wrong way of prosperity, going against the economically beneficial interests of the state ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 March 2018 09: 00
        +3
        Today, “in the Polish media and Polish politics, the positions of pro-Russian leaders are strengthening, and their ideas are increasingly supported in society, and if the government does not take the necessary measures, all this can lead to a catastrophe,” the historian believes.


        This is a simple escalation of hysteria.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 22 March 2018 09: 03
          +6
          Yes, I agree. The Russophobian sentiments there are strong and have deep roots. For them, Russia is like a bone in the throat ..
          Quote: cniza
          Today, “in the Polish media and Polish politics, the positions of pro-Russian leaders are strengthening, and their ideas are increasingly supported in society, and if the government does not take the necessary measures, all this can lead to a catastrophe,” the historian believes.


          This is a simple escalation of hysteria.
          1. cniza
            cniza 22 March 2018 09: 08
            +4
            They have historical fear and hatred.
            1. dik-nsk
              dik-nsk 22 March 2018 09: 19
              +1
              He also called not to actively use the law on the Institute of National Memory of Poland.
              as I understand it, there was a profit, the historian was paid by some Chugunkin
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 22 March 2018 09: 23
              +4
              All that worries this Polish expert is that it is precisely Polish fascism in the pro-American liberal Poland of Kaczynski that will not pass and that it is Poland Kaczynski who will die, and not pro-Russian Poland!
              But the expert needs it to be precisely in the pro-American Poland of Kaczynski that Polish fascism would just pass! And for this, he calls for crushing all kinds of sprouts in the country of pro-Russian forces in Poland in advance!
            3. asbond
              asbond 22 March 2018 23: 03
              0
              Mostly not historical, but hysterical
    2. Vend
      Vend 22 March 2018 08: 58
      +5
      I think this party will pursue a pro-Polish policy. Of course, it will be contrary to US policy. Because trading is better than fighting.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 22 March 2018 09: 18
        +5
        The progressive movement in the development of Poland is not to be seen, and slipping is provided to it.
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 22 March 2018 09: 23
          0
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          The progressive movement in the development of Poland is not to be seen, and slipping is provided to it.

          C'mon Mihan if cho - we cut the pancake with our checkers, we have a whole edge of Cossacks (well, you understand)
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 22 March 2018 09: 21
        +3
        If you rush at your neighbors, this always leads to problems within the country. And if you throw at the BIG neighbors, the problems will be big!
        Anyway, their horses are still valid there, so the process will be long!
      3. white.eagle
        white.eagle 22 March 2018 11: 46
        0
        pro-Polish politics, that is, it will be against America, but will advocate the creation of an alliance with China. In this case, Russia will have real problems.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 22 March 2018 13: 05
          +2
          Russia has real PROBLEMS! Poland is not a problem for us at all, for example, a transit territory on the way to Germany ... with which, however, we have problems.
          But for anyone, it’s better to live in peace, everyone will be better off!
  2. Clumsy
    Clumsy 22 March 2018 08: 54
    +3
    ,, Polish historians ,, it's like, finely British scholars ,, laughing
  3. Dormidont
    Dormidont 22 March 2018 08: 56
    +2
    To predict a disaster in Poland, one does not have to be a historian. It is enough to look through a history textbook for grade 5
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 22 March 2018 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: Dormidont
      . It is enough to look through a history textbook for grade 5

      Leafed through. From Polish there, it seems, only one of the authors - I. Sventsitskaya hi
      1. Yura Yakovlev
        Yura Yakovlev 22 March 2018 10: 07
        0
        "Leafed through. From Polish there, it seems, only one of the authors - I. Sventsitskaya"

        And that one seems to have Swedish roots. laughing
    2. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 05
      +2
      Today it is a completely different Poland than in the past. There are no minorities. Borders moved west. and, most importantly, eternal enemies die demographically and Islam grows in their territory. In the future, Ukraine may become the only potential competitor in the region for Poland. Ho, it seems that Russia will use its last forces to weaken Ukraine so much that it will not be able to compete with Poland in the future.
  4. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 22 March 2018 09: 00
    0
    in Poland there is a “pro-Russian part of politicians who, if the government is inactive, can create a party in a few months”, which will be supported by “about 15% of voters”.

    Key phrase
    government inaction

    Democracy say freedom good
  5. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 09: 05
    +6
    What is this historian who does not remember his own story? Poland fell apart just because of pro-European politics. Europe constantly ate Poland as a source of strife, and only Russia, and then the USSR, returned Poland's territory and statehood. This is not a historian, but the usual cheap paid propaganda.
    1. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 10
      0
      it's true. Russia, and then the USSR returned Poland statehood as a result of the suicide of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the USSR 1991
  6. Vard
    Vard 22 March 2018 09: 06
    +2
    I don’t believe ... knowing the Poles ... what would they create about the Russian party ... I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
    1. Yura Yakovlev
      Yura Yakovlev 22 March 2018 10: 12
      +2
      "I do not believe ... knowing the Poles ... what would they create about the Russian party ... I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!"
      Why not? There, not 15%, but all 30%, given that post-war Poland was settled by immigrants from the USSR until 1955, there are also descendants of WWII participants. Everything is possible.
    2. cats
      cats 22 March 2018 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      I do not believe ... knowing the Poles ..

      Yes, people are just tired, from stupid Russophobia.
      That's it. hi
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 22 March 2018 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      I do not believe ... knowing the Poles ...

      Identity is also known. Very real, nothing out of the ordinary. True, the last visit took place in 2013, now I go there at all zabronione. But with friends I’m calling back and texting. And before, there were enough adequate people there. Another thing is that adequate people there are working people, they have no time to arrange jumps. Yes, they do not survive, as in the same dill, but you have to work hard specifically. But they, apparently, already specifically got hysterical elite, consisting of inadequacies and mattresses. Of course, they will not build barricades, but, yes, yes, to vote for an adequate party. So, if in Poland any political party of the corresponding kind appears (such as "Alternatives for Germany"), then it will have popular support. Well, let’s see.
    4. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 13
      0
      The current ruling party is actually pro-Russian. No one weakened Poland and the Polish army like the current ruling party.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 22 March 2018 20: 38
        +1
        Nobody is going to attack you. We do not ask you to give up, or give away the territory, why about the Russian Party for you, is it the one that weakens Poland or its army?
  7. taiga2018
    taiga2018 22 March 2018 09: 07
    0
    A sharp love of the Poles for Russia is certainly hardly possible, but a more balanced policy towards us is quite likely ...
    1. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 20
      0
      Do not expect. Poland needs cooperation with a superpower. And Russia is not a state of this class. The choice is only between America and China. And both of these superpowers, especially China, do not want to increase Russia's position in the world. A strong Russia is simply not in their interests.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 March 2018 21: 57
        +1
        Et who there imagines himself? Have the transit territory leapt?
        I wonder who got infected from whom? Sumerians from the Commonwealth or vice versa?
        As it was said there - Cardinal and shopkeeper are power! - contagious to see the "disease"?
        1. cats
          cats 24 March 2018 00: 30
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Et who there imagines himself?

          laughing
          Quote: white.eagle
          And Russia is not a state of this class

          laughing
          Poland is the part where the legs grow from ...
          Right bun Russia, left Germany ...
          Moreover, by the kindness of sincere Russia, half-populations have not yet been torn .. laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 March 2018 10: 48
            0
            This is probably our ... trouble, if we join someone, we begin to develop! for sho and were punished!
            The joke is that the old gay men went on the same rake! .... for sho they now decided to bite the psheks !!!
            Not so offensive, we are the only such fools! In principle, a worthy company!
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 March 2018 09: 30
    +1
    statement by the historian Jerzy Targalsky. One of the highlights of her program will be a call for an alliance with Russia against the US and NATO,

    And what, AVB did not rake this "historian"? Weird! request
  9. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 22 March 2018 09: 40
    +1
    She will conduct a nationalist

    Nationalism - this is the tool with which the Anglo-Saxons picked out peoples and territories from Russia. Nationalism contradicts the very essence of multinational Russia. How can there be a desire for rapprochement with Russia on its basis? Just to stick a word that has a negative meaning, next to the urination of Russia.
    1. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 29
      +1
      But the idea that nations are the property of the tsar in Moscow is complete stupidity. It is better for Putin to find a different form of the existence of Russia than imperialism. The use of missiles even with an atomic drive is not an effective way to block national separatism in Russia. Without the restriction of corruption, without a high standard of living, not a single nation of today's Russia will want to have anything to do with Moscow.
      1. faiver
        faiver 22 March 2018 18: 20
        0
        what nonsense - the armament of Russia does not exist to solve internal problems, but to prevent external ...
      2. cats
        cats 24 March 2018 00: 42
        +2
        Quote: white.eagle
        not a single nation of modern Russia

        Quote: white.eagle
        another form of existence of Russia

        Quote: white.eagle
        national separatism in Russia

        belay
        I read it three times, went for a smoke and read it again ..
        Question: Do you knowingly use drugs or as neighbors
        just eating cookies?
        Quote: white.eagle
        It is better for Putin to find a different form of the existence of Russia than imperialism

        Is the emperor of the galaxy suitable?
  10. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 22 March 2018 09: 41
    +1
    it is time RUSSIA to "choose" the president of POLAND
  11. Yrec
    Yrec 22 March 2018 09: 50
    +1
    The catastrophe of Poland is already guaranteed. The Poles have a lot of ambition, but there isn’t anything that ensures stability and prosperity of the state. Science, education, production is at the level of third world countries, and they imagine themselves as applicants for the role of Germany. Again they need a reboot with the disappearance from the political map of the world.
    1. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 40
      +2
      More and more educated Germans flee to Poland. So Poland will become a new Germany, especially since German industry is already in Poland. Something similar to Russia in the XVIII century when Peter I and his successors modernized Russia with the help of German brains. So will the Polish ambition in combination with the German order. And whoever was in Poland knows well that now, not only in cities, but also in villages, is the idea that ordnung muss sein.
      1. Yrec
        Yrec 22 March 2018 12: 46
        0
        I wonder what "educated Germans" flee from? Poland turned into a European paradise? I know that German pensioners are moving to Poland, because it’s cheaper.
        1. white.eagle
          white.eagle 22 March 2018 13: 00
          +1
          German retirees are mostly in Hungary — a cheaper, warmer climate. Other Germans go to Poland because in Poland there is no political correctness, there are no Islamic regions, and the country resembles old Germany. And, of course, they have a chance for rapid professional advancement in German corporations in Poland.
          1. Yrec
            Yrec 22 March 2018 13: 12
            0
            Pole and German - brothers forever laughing . But there is no such thing with respect to the Germans in Poland: "Have come in large numbers here"? German industry remains German anywhere. In Poland, in Russia, in Honduras. She will not become Polish, Russian, Honduran. To do this, it is not enough to have a plant and infrastructure on its territory. In Germany, I think, an overabundance of qualified personnel, so they are squeezed into Poland and other neighboring countries. Although this is my subjective opinion, you know better on the spot. Plus, Poland now has many strong slaves performed by great ukrov.
            1. white.eagle
              white.eagle 22 March 2018 16: 46
              0
              But the Poles learn from the Germans. For example, one Pole worked for many years at the German company Neoplan. But he did not want to work there forever. He returned to Poland and founded a company that became a competitor to a German company. This company is called Solaris. Companies with Polish capital produce more and more components for German industry. This is the result of the presence of German companies in Poland. Instead of importing components from the West or Asia, they cooperate with Polish companies. But Polish capital noted that it can earn by using these components to produce the final product. As a result, Solaris buses are bought by transport companies in Germany and PESA trains are used by Deutche Bahn. https://www.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/pesa
              -link-dmus-debut-in-germany.html
      2. faiver
        faiver 22 March 2018 18: 23
        0
        obviously those Germans are fleeing who do not remember how they drove the Germans from German lands transferred to Poland ...
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 March 2018 09: 51
    +2
    She will pursue nationalist, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian and anti-American policies.
    Anti-Semitic and anti-Ukrainian in Poland are enough today. And it’s time to spend the rest in this country, which shows itself in all its “beauty” of wretched greatness, terry nationalism, and obscurity against the strong. If indeed at least 15% of Poles supported such a policy, it would be fine.
    1. white.eagle
      white.eagle 22 March 2018 12: 41
      0
      1,5% is the maximum
  13. K-50
    K-50 22 March 2018 10: 08
    0
    She will pursue nationalist, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian and anti-American policies.

    Such an interesting game, almost against everyone. I would like to know if the benefits will come from this, and not just confrontation? Will decisions / actions benefit the Polish people? Well, is there something that will help in medical care, or is there education, a culture not Russophobic?
    Or, as always, "start" and "tease" the Poles as chain dogs, inviting them to other nations and nationalities? what
  14. thinker
    thinker 22 March 2018 10: 22
    0
    Mr. Torgalsky is disingenuous, Poland and Ukraine have a “Bandera of discord”, therefore it scares Russophilia. He proposes to choose the lesser of two evils - to make peace with Bandera.
    March 20 - RIA Novosti. Polish nationalists on stocks near the Ukrainian embassy burned portraits of Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych .... Member of the Polish Sejm Robert Vinnitsky also trampled a red and black flag
  15. mavrus
    mavrus 22 March 2018 11: 15
    0
    Quote: Clubfoot
    ,, Polish historians ,, it's like, finely British scholars ,, laughing

    "British scientists" are already turning pale against the "British politicians." :)))
  16. Mimohod
    Mimohod 22 March 2018 13: 36
    0
    The impending catastrophe of any country, including Poland, is in oblivion and distortion of its history ...
  17. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 22 March 2018 14: 09
    0
    control over the situation in the country

    This is what "Western democracy" is called when people do not care about the opinions of selfish interests.
  18. Hort
    Hort 22 March 2018 17: 23
    0
    Today, “in the Polish media and Polish politics, the positions of pro-Russian leaders are being strengthened, and their ideas are increasingly supported in society,
    hmm, so what's wrong? Maybe finally the Slavic neighbors will find a common language and example ... You look, what’s more likely to come of this
  19. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 19: 57
    0
    Quote: white.eagle
    it's true. Russia, and then the USSR returned Poland statehood as a result of the suicide of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the USSR 1991

    ---------------------------------
    1991 do not drag. In 1939, the German Third Reich swallowed Poland, turning it into a governor general. And in 1945, statehood was returned to Poland by Stalin, rejecting the objections of the allies. Poland was the center of the social camp, the USSR gave Poland modern industry and many licenses for the production of industrial products — airplanes, helicopters, automobiles, ships. It is strange not to remember this and to be ashamed of it. In addition, the USSR actively restored Poland after the Second World War. Russians love Poland and are also proud of Poland’s great sons and daughters, Marshal Rokossovsky, writer Stanislav Jerzy Lets, Skłodowska Curie and many others. Poles and Russians have more reasons to love each other than to hate.
  20. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 23 March 2018 10: 25
    0
    One of the highlights of her program will be a call for an alliance with Russia against the US and NATO,

    What an interesting note.
    It is indisputable that only one such party will not exist and such a "union" is not needed first of all for Russia. And Poland will squeeze out a much more western world, barking towards Russia.

    On the other hand: “Poland is the hyena of Europe” and when dividing Ukraine, it’s easier to negotiate with the direct participant and, using only the silence of the cc, to squeeze out western Ukraine in response to active actions in eastern Ukraine. With all the strategic value of the Carpathians, the population is too restless there, and the Poles will not create for themselves the illusions of multinationality. They have a lot of experience, judging by Bogdan Khmelnitsky.

    And finally, on the third side, it is obvious that such a throw-in is a means of combating internal political rivals and throwing a noose on any force hostile to Russia can only be told about its “cooperation” with “Mordor”. The information background is such that Russia can poke a finger at any politician in Europe and he will immediately die politically.
  21. 1536
    1536 23 March 2018 11: 28
    0
    I do not know how it will be in Poland, but the fact that fascism and Nazism in Europe will not pass as long as Russia exists is for sure.