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Arctic ice does not allow the submarine Hartford US Navy to deliver a "simulated" missile strike

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The American submarine was actually stuck in the ice while practicing the “training hits”. US media reports referring to the command of the US Navy reported that it was a Hartford submarine, which was "disarmed" by the Arctic ice during an exercise.


It is known that the submarine Hartford while working out the interaction with another submarine Connecticut. The purpose of the exercise, as noted by military experts, is to work out a missile attack on Russia from a surface position.

It is noted that the thickness of the ice in the area of ​​maneuvers is such that one of the American submarines could not ascend to deliver an “imitation strike”.

The report of the US Navy says that the multi-purpose nuclear submarine USS Hartford (SSN 768) class "Los Angeles" is trying to break through the Arctic ice to perform the task during the exercise.



Information that the US submarine is experiencing problems with ice in the Arctic originally came from the publication NavyCurrentsMagazine.

This is not the first incident with USS Hartford. So, exactly 9 years ago (in March, 2009), while submerged in the waters of the Strait of Hormuz, it collided with the American landing ship USS New Orleans.
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  1. Dormidont
    Dormidont 22 March 2018 07: 11
    +16
    This is a sign from Above.
    1. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 22 March 2018 07: 15
      +25
      Quote: Dormidont
      This is a sign from Above.

      ices - this is not sand - do not poke around - diapers will freeze laughing
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 22 March 2018 07: 20
        +19
        The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!! yes Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme! negative Ice ax to you .... to help repeat
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 22 March 2018 07: 24
          +7
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme!

          it’s even colder there - you need fur diapers - that’s why the striped ban on fur trade lol
          1. cniza
            cniza 22 March 2018 08: 30
            +4
            Quote: Hunter 2
            The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!! yes Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme! negative Ice ax to you .... to help repeat


            In the Arctic, our Bears live and period.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 22 March 2018 07: 46
          +33
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!!

          until you learn this, the ice will not let you go. and you never learn laughing
          1. Sergey-svs
            Sergey-svs 22 March 2018 08: 02
            +3
            Quote: LSA57
            ... the ice will not let you in ...

            Ice for Americans is not a problem ... No. Now from the hold with shovels and crowbars, descendants of the Sumerians will come out and dig their submarines. They dug up the Black Sea, and to dig out the submarines of their lords is a simple matter. yes And if that doesn’t help, then with the shouts “Moskalyak to Gilyak” the tseevroGeytsy will jump around the boat, and crush the ice into small, small pieces ... laughing laughing laughing
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 22 March 2018 08: 08
              +1
              Quote: Sergey-svs
              Now from the hold with shovels and crowbars, descendants of the Sumerians will come out and dig their submarines.

              belay are they in the hold instead of ballast? laughing
              1. Baby sitter
                Baby sitter 23 March 2018 01: 13
                0
                they are rowers there ...
            2. bamoves
              bamoves 22 March 2018 09: 07
              +1
              as a last resort blacks.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 22 March 2018 10: 42
                +4
                Quote: bamoves
                as a last resort blacks.

                The Negro and the Arctic are incompatible concepts. There, all the white bears die with a laugh. laughing
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 22 March 2018 10: 59
          +9
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!!

          I heard from informed people that during the Soviet era, numerous Arctic expeditions and operating drifting stations included the task of studying the physics and dynamics of ice to provide patrol routes and position areas for launching submarines from the Arctic Ocean. The Americans did not conduct such deep research in these latitudes, for which they are paying.
      2. Thrall
        Thrall 22 March 2018 07: 32
        +14
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        ice is not sand - do not pop

        And in the sand, it’s better not to stick around smile
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 22 March 2018 07: 44
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          And in the sand, it’s better not to stick around

          Well, actually, yes - it is filling up in all the cracks - and diaper rash is a problem - there will not be enough hospitals lol
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 22 March 2018 20: 40
            +1
            And they don’t know our most important military secret - do not fart during a march smile
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 March 2018 20: 42
              +3
              Quote: Thrall
              And they don’t know our most important military secret - do not fart during a march smile

              yes, rkhz - quickly detect
            2. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 23 March 2018 16: 50
              0
              Quote: Thrall
              And they don’t know our most important military secret - do not fart during a march smile

              Keep a second wind.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 22 March 2018 09: 47
        +1
        Yes, and in the sand too..Ass will rub ..
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        Quote: Dormidont
        This is a sign from Above.

        ices - this is not sand - do not poke around - diapers will freeze laughing
    2. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 22 March 2018 07: 19
      +10
      An urgent need to send an icebreaker! Our, Russian. And save the poor Americans. And then their products run out, freeze ... And toilet paper ... And polar bears are grinning nearby)))
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 March 2018 07: 27
        +28
        An urgent need to send an icebreaker
        and ram the fuck! lol
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 22 March 2018 07: 28
          +9
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and ram the fuck!

          better than kraken laughing
          1. Serge
            Serge 22 March 2018 07: 44
            +10
            What evil are you all! Horror is simple! You just need to send a company of our walruses with dancing, vodka and a snack there! And have a picnic near the PL mattresses! And do not let them go to you except on 4 bones behind the bone laughing
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 March 2018 07: 46
              +6
              Quote: Serge
              You just need to send the company of our walruses with dances, vodka, appetizer there!

              and where are the polar bears? and without balalaika why? Matryoshka still need !!!!
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 22 March 2018 07: 58
              +2
              Come on, shozh so rude then? Whatever, guests!
              Let them come at least for their two, they will certainly crawl away for four! At who can at least crawl?
          2. sdc_alex
            sdc_alex 22 March 2018 08: 48
            +1
            Quote: Angel_and_Demon
            An urgent need to send an icebreaker


            Don’t ... it’s better to blow up ice ... maybe a "caliber"? Or some kind of fab?
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 22 March 2018 07: 47
        +1
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        .And also polar bears are grinning nearby)))

        you can leave a couple of warriors for dessert to bears laughing
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 22 March 2018 07: 55
          +5
          How, AGAIN stuck?
          Isn’t that the boat that can \ should fear us?
          Can you help her stay there FOREVER? Where is our General Frost? There is an important task!
      3. raw174
        raw174 23 March 2018 10: 27
        +1
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        An urgent need to send an icebreaker! Our, Russian.

        Send Chukchi dogs, let American sailors ride through the fresh air, look and change their minds to militarize the Arctic ...
    3. dog breeder
      dog breeder 22 March 2018 08: 12
      +2
      Dormidont (Dormidont)
      This is a sign from Above.

      This is a sign that the Russian ally, Santa Claus, has come to the NATO exercises in the Arctic to see and burn. Let them order an icebreaker from Russia. Everything according to Zadornov ...
    4. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 22 March 2018 08: 26
      +4
      As they say do not go into the water without knowing the ford, in this case, the Arctic ice.
      The Americans were completely degraded; before the ascent, they did not try to reconnoiter the ice thickness and their capabilities. In short, the "exceptional" screwed up again.
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 22 March 2018 07: 15
    +42
    Chelyuskintsy, thought Stirlitz smile
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 22 March 2018 07: 23
      +26
      DE, bills, Chelyuskintsy thought wassat
      1. Stas Snezhin
        Stas Snezhin 22 March 2018 07: 30
        +4
        "Friends from our house," thought DE-bills ..))
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 22 March 2018 07: 27
      +5
      Laughter, laughter, but if the "exceptional" fools are frozen in the ice, then your joke will become a reality.
    3. novel66
      novel66 22 March 2018 07: 28
      +10
      Stirlitz? surprised chelyuskintsy laughing
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 22 March 2018 07: 41
        +6
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Stirlitz? surprised chelyuskintsy laughing

        Hello Roman hi Can drive the boat with ice, throw it frozen, and leave the boat for American and English tourists. smile
        1. novel66
          novel66 22 March 2018 07: 51
          +2
          R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi smacks of climatic weapons. Russian treacherous, how many have already froze - and do not count!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 March 2018 08: 06
            +3
            Alexey, Vitaliy, Roman, hello soldier
            The question is, how many more freezing experiments do these waterfowl need to understand that General Frost is ours, Native! In his possession of these birds, fish and other creeping move no!
            1. Alex-a832
              Alex-a832 22 March 2018 08: 25
              +3
              Quote: rocket757
              The question is, how many more freezing experiments do these waterfowl need to understand that General Frost is ours, Native! In his possession of these birds, fish and other creeping move no!

              Victor, welcome hi
              They would have one, but a global experimenter to freeze their "exceptional" island in the oceans. Immediately cool down a bit ... lol
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 22 March 2018 09: 09
                +2
                Yes, and they will immediately need MUCH gas! And we, harmful ones, in the natural, harmless, we will allow an extra! They don’t need the “Fool” anymore, there are enough of those copies, which, no matter how reassuring, pacifying, doesn’t hurt!
                1. Alex-a832
                  Alex-a832 22 March 2018 09: 27
                  +3
                  Yeah, the disease will freeze, we will definitely blow them ... natural gas for sugaring laughing
                2. asv363
                  asv363 22 March 2018 19: 31
                  +5
                  Wah, why so hard! Exclusively “Pervachyak” - still known as “Pervach”!
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 22 March 2018 21: 46
                    +2
                    Why translate a good product? Turpentine - an accelerator between them "bun" for sugrevu and speed! Just enough charge to the Mexican border! And it’s warm there!
  3. annodomene
    annodomene 22 March 2018 07: 19
    +5
    1. Why the hell did they get in there if they can't shoot parallels above 80?
    2. Judging by the picture - the thickness of the ice is less than 0,5 meters and they could hardly break it. Salagi ... Or a picture from another place and from another place.
    3. And yet, they have not been given a third ...
    1. thinker
      thinker 22 March 2018 08: 42
      +5
      To be fair, they didn’t go anywhere especially; exercises are held in the Beaufort Sea.
      According to ice conditions, the Beaufort Sea is one of the most severe seas of the Arctic Ocean. Ice is present in it constantly throughout the year .... The thickness of flat ice usually slightly exceeds 2 m,

      1. DenZ
        DenZ 22 March 2018 08: 58
        0
        Quote: thinker
        To be fair, they didn’t go anywhere especially; exercises are held in the Beaufort Sea

        Ours, when rockets were launched from the North Pole from the Yekaterinburg SSBN (specifically), they first sent an icebreaker to make it ice-hole for ascent. Americans only thought about suddenness. Surprise and received (in the form of the inability to emerge) laughing
        1. AntiFREEZ
          AntiFREEZ 22 March 2018 09: 24
          +2
          Quote: DenZ
          then the icebreaker was sent first so that it would make wormwood for ascent

          Then it's just window dressing.
          Or, in case of war, will we accompany each submarine with an icebreaker?
          1. DenZ
            DenZ 22 March 2018 09: 43
            +4
            Quote: AntiFREEZ
            Then it's just window dressing. Or, in case of war, will we accompany each submarine with an icebreaker?

            This is not window dressing and not in case of war. They simply worked out some flight regimes of a rocket from a geographic point of the globe that was not trivially geographically (zero latitude and longitude). It was a test run. And since they knew in advance that the boat would not make itself a wormwood, they sent an icebreaker. Why Americans often get stuck in ice I don’t know. Apparently they believe that the ice should part before the elect.
            1. jjj
              jjj 22 March 2018 10: 27
              +1
              Quote: DenZ
              zero latitude and longitude

              Well, let's say it's on the globe they are only zero ...
              1. DenZ
                DenZ 22 March 2018 11: 35
                0
                Quote: jjj
                Well, let's say it's on the globe they are only zero ...

                Well, yes, everything is somewhat arbitrary. Allowed in general "from the North Pole"
              2. Glory1974
                Glory1974 22 March 2018 14: 16
                +1
                Well, let's say it's on the globe they are only zero.

                And in real life at the North Pole in all directions South! Try to navigate and shandarahnut rocket.
                1. annodomene
                  annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 32
                  +2
                  At our joint venture specifically for ICBMs, there is no south in all directions. And there are specific coordinates that are great different from 0 and from 90. Oh, how! Only we can shoot at latitudes over 80 degrees NW.
          2. annodomene
            annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 36
            +1
            In case of war, you will first need to “pull” something in the “wormwood” mode. This is a very standard situation.
      2. gippernano
        gippernano 22 March 2018 19: 43
        0
        So it’s not like spring, even summer will not help them. Well, well, this segment of the weapon will be frozen until global warming. In the end, Zumvolt is. It doesn’t shoot either, but it also has an expensive, terribly dangerous technique.
  4. hbvkzyby
    hbvkzyby 22 March 2018 07: 19
    +1
    you need to carry a crowbar
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 March 2018 07: 19
    +2
    They didn’t try to melt the ice with blowtorches ... laughing
    1. novel66
      novel66 22 March 2018 07: 29
      +4
      you can still write on ice
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 22 March 2018 07: 30
        +2
        novel66 (novel) Today, 07: 29 ↑ New
        you can still write on ice

        then they need a crew of about the middle province of China ...
        1. novel66
          novel66 22 March 2018 07: 32
          +1
          or a lot of diuretic
  6. antivirus
    antivirus 22 March 2018 07: 22
    +2
    Global warming is to A. Gore.
    and the Russians sent General Moroz to peaceful amers.
    sit in the Gulf of Mexico and train there.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 22 March 2018 07: 22
    0
    Nature itself puts their militarians in their place! You need a "strategist" to send the Yankees then ice with teeth in a couple of minutes crumble to dust lol .
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 March 2018 07: 25
    +1
    development of missile attacks on Russia from the surface
    Even nature is against such teachings. Probably, before the ascent, the landing party cut open wormwood for cutting to make the picture colorful. It remains ours to help the "colleagues" in distress.
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 March 2018 07: 25
    +1
    All these Americans are in the way .. That’s Russian ice, then the stupidity of the leaders ..
  10. Tusv
    Tusv 22 March 2018 07: 27
    0
    And I damn, I read: "Found." And then, over there. And they made friends. And disarmed without any special forces
  11. Mwg
    Mwg 22 March 2018 07: 28
    0
    "The American submarine was actually stuck in the ice" - something like this I really expected to read when information about US maneuvers in this region passed.
    Fun attempts "friends of all mankind", I sincerely say)))
  12. Same lech
    Same lech 22 March 2018 07: 30
    +1
    Arctic ice on give US Navy Hartford submarine

    the author ... how they put the submarine ... belay
    the meaning of the heading is completely different.
  13. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 22 March 2018 07: 30
    0
    Arctic ice on give submarine

    do not give
    A torpedo can not be launched on the ice crust?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 March 2018 07: 33
      +1
      A torpedo can not be launched on the ice crust?

      It’s possible ... if the ice is given, then torpedoes will fly on the ice smile .
    2. Every
      Every 22 March 2018 08: 16
      +1
      The boat was already frozen. Where to let the torpedo? It is before the ascent by torpedoes that they break through the "window", now it is too late.
  14. Fedorov
    Fedorov 22 March 2018 07: 34
    +5
    I think this option does not threaten them ... fellow
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 March 2018 07: 42
      +3
      Great video in every sense ... I would then show it to my grandchildren, this is where the brothers are real drive and adrenaline ...
      it’s one thing to hang on a crane with one hand to some underdeveloped imbecile, and it’s quite another to swim from the side of a nuclear submarine in the center of the Arctic.
  15. Masya masya
    Masya masya 22 March 2018 07: 34
    +6
    hang on, people ... summer is coming! lol
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 March 2018 07: 43
      +5
      Pryuvetiki Marinochka! Who cares, you can see, like a fresh video.
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 22 March 2018 07: 46
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        Pryuvetiki Marinochka!

        repeat lol What nonce ladies), aggressive) on the site .. cats - dogs)
        hello to moderators drinks fellow
      2. gippernano
        gippernano 22 March 2018 19: 47
        0
        Our RPG competently took them to the sight. These are the wunderwafles. Any soldier with an RPG can put an end to such a masterpiece of the American military-industrial complex.
  16. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 22 March 2018 07: 34
    0
    Quote: novel xnumx
    you can still write on ice

    it will not work: then you will have to rake the mountain of yellow ice!
  17. KRIK33
    KRIK33 22 March 2018 07: 35
    0
    Shaw? !! Putin again? !! smile That America will fall asleep with snow ... now he has taken up the ice ... is omnipresent! smile
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  18. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov 22 March 2018 07: 37
    +1
    What Americans are still impatient. Scientists have long been talking about warming, melting of snow and even ice. Let them wait a little .... Someday the ice will melt, then you can begin to learn how to work out strikes ... And missile ... And all sorts of different others .... They are impatient, these Americans, oh impatient ......
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 22 March 2018 20: 04
      0
      This teaching was very important. They say you are missiles, with unlimited range, and we are a bunch of you who have survived to our days by a miracle. And the world community at that moment should have admired the power and greatness of the American scientific and technical genius. Well, it didn’t work out, CienNan will make another program, like: - an epic of rescue from the ice captivity of the flagship of advanced thought and technology. Where the world community admire the scientific and technical genius of the American .... And there you look or global warming, or ...
  19. Simon
    Simon 22 March 2018 07: 37
    +1
    Funny! belay laughing Our Arctic ice is already at war with American submarines! laughing Again, the Russians are to blame! wink
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 22 March 2018 20: 06
      0
      their ice, but they are fighting for us. Although they probably remember WHOSE Alaska, it means you say it right - Ours.
  20. Simon
    Simon 22 March 2018 07: 40
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    They didn’t try to melt the ice with blowtorches ... laughing

    And they have not yet invented it! These are our secret developments. tongue wink
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 22 March 2018 20: 10
      0
      Backward people. Is there really nothing to warm up a boat with? Eh. It is painful to say, but: - Goodbye America
  21. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 22 March 2018 07: 42
    0
    Nothing, warming soon. Thaw out. If this is not another test of our new weapon.
    Although, there the ice is not so thick either.
  22. Simon
    Simon 22 March 2018 07: 44
    +1
    Quote: hbvkzyby
    you need to carry a crowbar

    So, American advanced civilization has not thought of this before! laughing
  23. Simon
    Simon 22 March 2018 07: 46
    +2
    Quote: ul_vitalii
    Chelyuskintsy, thought Stirlitz smile

    So, let Russian planes call for help! Quickly ice around the bomb! wink laughing
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 22 March 2018 20: 13
      0
      Pinocchio is needed, warm the air, melt the ice.
  24. Simon
    Simon 22 March 2018 07: 47
    +1
    Quote: Dormidont
    This is a sign from Above.

    Good sign! Let’s not climb, where it is not necessary! laughing
  25. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 07: 48
    +7
    The next "cheers-patriotic" heading has nothing to do with a real article. If you carefully read the article itself, it says that it "has difficulty" in performing the task, but not about the fact that the boat was "stuck" in the ice. The American publication says that the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch pits are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.
    1. fighter angel
      fighter angel 22 March 2018 08: 19
      +7
      What pathos! What happened?
      The representative of the "exceptional" nation touched for the living? What does it mean - "launch mines are closed by people ..."? Luda came and closed?
    2. Every
      Every 22 March 2018 08: 46
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

      Could you think about it before? Decided to break through the Arctic ice. The Arctic is cold, snow and ice. He does not tolerate negligence. This is not to drive through the deserts of the Papuans.
      And there is no jingoism in the article. Just a little "banter" over overly confident d @ dnyami.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 08: 51
        +3
        And where is the "pathos"? It’s just that the Americans began to learn new directions somewhat abandoned recently (during the period of “detente”), this was required in connection with the deterioration of the international situation. They train, study, draw conclusions, find new solutions, a normal work process ... I don’t see a reason for scumbag and sarcasm ...
        1. fighter angel
          fighter angel 22 March 2018 08: 59
          +5
          But do not you think, dear, that the Americans are trying to learn something, somehow many “directions”, and stick their long nose to where their business is absolutely not? Maybe it's good to climb into every hole? You look and the world will become calmer ...
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 09: 08
            +3
            No, it doesn’t. This is their business (of the Americans) —they do what they see fit and will continue to do it whether someone likes it or not. Do the same .... if you can. wink
            1. fighter angel
              fighter angel 22 March 2018 09: 22
              +2
              Well, yes of course, what am I talking about ... Only the grave will correct Humpback.
              1. fighter angel
                fighter angel 22 March 2018 09: 48
                +1
                Monster fat: "It’s their business (of the Americans) - they do what they see fit and will continue to do it whether someone likes it or not .."
                But something has been getting harder and harder lately ... The times have passed for Amers: “What I want and I turn” .. I want to - wave the test tube at the UN, and I will start bombing the whole country. Is not it?
                So with interest I will follow how the "exceptional" will be put on THEIR PLACE. The process has already begun. The Amerza could not do anything with Yyn, as well as with us, and with China, Iran, Syria.
                Let's see how the next "empire" collapses.
                1. Monster_Fat
                  Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 10: 34
                  +1
                  “Collapsing”, “falling apart”, “yellowstone”, “San Andreas”, “surviving” .... wink
                  And on the other end:
                  "At one of the first meetings after the election, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the change in taxes. Raising personal income tax while canceling the preferential VAT rate - a double blow to the population, on the one hand, will lower their incomes, and on the other, increase prices. Zero personal income tax for the poor and direct subsidies should help them, she says, but higher prices and tax burdens can lead to higher numbers of the poor and less middle class.
                  Income tax is planned to increase from 13 to 15% .... " wink
                  1. fighter angel
                    fighter angel 22 March 2018 11: 18
                    +5
                    Are you trying to agitate? In vain. Yes, and late, you, my dear with agitation.
                    What is all your "work" worth - well shown on March 18.
                    How many "greens" flew into the pipe to support the "der..mocracy" in Russia?
                    Many, very many. And the result? The Belolentochnoe swamp did not work ...
                    Russian-patient people.
                    And for the sake of such a show: "The collapse of the mattress empire" - will be tolerated, be sure.
                    We didn’t go through that.
                    Not that some are “Indian killers” ...
                    1. Monster_Fat
                      Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 12: 05
                      +1
                      "Agitate"? Yes, God forbid, you made your choice and you live with him now, for many, many years ... or a little? So let's see ... As you write - "wait" ... wink
                      PS: Forgot to add from the "classics": "A. you .... And you ... there are also blacks lynching ..." wink
                      1. fighter angel
                        fighter angel 22 March 2018 12: 22
                        +3
                        We made a choice.
                        And living with this choice is NOW FOR YOU too!
                        As many as SIX years !!!
                        And then - "we will see" ...

                        ps Don’t offend the Africans, calling them Negroes, and you can even "fly unexpected" ... Yes, yes, now even from them they can "fly" to your "exclusive" side ... Eeehhh, where you, "Shadow of the Past Greatness" ???? No respect for the "hegemon" ... Gyy
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 22 March 2018 12: 38
                        +7
                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        PS: Forgot to add from the "classics": "A. you .... And you ... there are also blacks lynching ..."

                        And in schools, packs of schoolchildren are shot. hi
                  2. Every
                    Every 22 March 2018 14: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Monster_Fat
                    “Collapsing”, “falling apart”, “yellowstone”, “San Andreas”, “surviving” .... wink
                    And on the other end:
                    Income tax is planned to increase from 13 to 15% .... " wink

                    What is the connection between them, explain?
                    Or a tax increase of up to 15% (not a fact) equates to a natural disaster (volcanic eruption)?
                  3. gippernano
                    gippernano 22 March 2018 20: 23
                    0
                    With our pennies is not critical.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 March 2018 09: 20
      +8
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch mines are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

      1. Amov’s ice reconnaissance is not to be seen in the Red Army ...
      2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...
      3. Launchers in the nasal tip. Therefore, you can "dance", and he will "slide" ... Unless, of course, the supply of the Air Force is enough. But, being at the top, nothing (except for secrecy) does not interfere with knocking out cylinders of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....
      4. An "advanced nation" could think of explosive-technical methods of cleaning the hull from ice ... And then a "wretched" picks ice floes with a crowbar ...
      Believe me, this is not a problem that needs to be “bred” in order to defeat the Russians ... It strains something different: the Amy came to our pasture, and this is already dangerous ...
      Sincerely. hi
      1. san4es
        san4es 22 March 2018 09: 40
        +2
        Quote: BoA KAA
        ... the amas came to our pasture,

        hi
        Class Boats: Seawolf, Los Angeles and Virginia
        US Navy exercises in this region of the world are common because of its geostrategic importance.

        Ultimate military channel
        Posted on: 17 Dec 2016
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 22 March 2018 12: 25
        +6
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...

        I think more ... but less than a meter ...
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Launchers in the nasal tip. Therefore, you can "dance", and he "crawls".

        Sasha, don’t tell me ... let the lessons be done.
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        An "advanced nation" could think of explosive-technical methods of cleaning the hull from ice ... And then a "wretched" picks ice floes with a crowbar ...

        Shh ... let it work ... there are three things that you can look endlessly at fire, water, and like a mattress half-meter ice picks with a crowbar.
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Amy came to our pasture, and this is already dangerous ...

        It’s dangerous ... but, for them it’s all new, and we have settled down there already. And the big question is whether they come back later.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 12: 56
          0
          And in schools, packs of schoolchildren are shot.

          Yes, they "shoot", but the Americans have enough intelligence and patience to assert their right to weapons ... but in Russia, the right to weapons ... continue or not?
          PS: remember my cat’s name? wink
          1. fighter angel
            fighter angel 22 March 2018 13: 05
            +2
            And rightly so !!!
            Defend, up to the last defend!
            Until everything in FIGs shoots each other ...
            And we'll see, wait ... Gyyy
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 March 2018 13: 07
            +7
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Yes, "shoot", but the Americans have the mind and patience to defend their right to arms

            Well, yes ... do you recall the story of a monkey with a grenade? And if it’s normal for you that every week, a month an imbecile appears with a gun at school and with a mayonnaise in the head that shoots people off with classes, then continue to defend your right to weapons ... you will soon see the children at such a pace and you won’t be left with you.
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 13: 21
              +3
              Unfortunately, it is difficult for me to prove here that the possession of weapons is one of the rights of citizens characterizing their freedom. The costs of this have a place to be, and that's fine.
              1. fighter angel
                fighter angel 22 March 2018 13: 39
                +2
                Yes, yes, of course, where are we to you, "EXCLUSIVE" !!!
                Where can we understand such "High Matter" ... Gyyy
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 22 March 2018 14: 56
                +6
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                The costs of this have a place to be, and that's fine.

                I would listen to you, if God forbid, some psycho-youngster would shoot your children at school ... then I would listen from you about freedom and the assertion of rights.
              3. myrzilka
                myrzilka 22 March 2018 16: 36
                +2
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                Unfortunately, it is difficult for me to prove here that the possession of weapons is one of the rights of citizens characterizing their freedom.

                Your so-called "freedom" came from the widespread carrying of weapons by gallows and other rabble, which rushed to the expanses of the New World from crowded Europe. And finally he allowed himself what had been suppressed for so long in the Old World. Namely, to kill, to kill simply and without unnecessary sentiment. Your country, which began with the genocide of the indigenous population of America, and continued its legitimization of slavery. And now all this garbage brew, proudly calling itself a bastion of democracy, which has never been there. He is trying to prove that the right to freely kill others is the highest achievement of their "democracy" - and in fact the right of the strong.
          3. Every
            Every 22 March 2018 15: 45
            +1
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            And in schools, packs of schoolchildren are shot.

            Yes, they "shoot", but the Americans have enough intelligence and patience to assert their right to weapons ... but in Russia, the right to weapons ... continue or not?
            PS: remember my cat’s name? wink

            Found something to be proud of - the right to arms. And then lunatics run to schools with automatic weapons and kill children.
            Pride climbs from all the cracks.
            P / S in Russia has the right to civilian firearms (self-defense). And no more.
        2. san4es
          san4es 22 March 2018 16: 19
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          ... I think more ...
          fellow
      3. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 23 March 2018 11: 04
        +1
        1. Amov’s ice reconnaissance is not to be seen in the Red Army ...
        2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...
        3. Launchers in the nasal tip. Therefore, you can "dance", and he will "slide" ... Unless, of course, the supply of the Air Force is enough. But, being at the top, nothing (except for secrecy) does not interfere with knocking out cylinders of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....

        Affects less buoyancy in American submarines. And the method of ascent is not very clear. What do I mean - after the glaciation and all the measures and if the reserve allowed, when we ascended, we blew air, and then purged the Central City Hospital. A bubble was created, ice broke under its weight on the hull. Well, indeed, if the logging has come out, nothing prevents replenishing the VVD and still blowing.
    4. gippernano
      gippernano 22 March 2018 20: 16
      0
      You tell these sad stories in NATO, there they will treat them with understanding.
    5. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 40
      +2
      They will have to come up with a long time. In the Soviet Navy, this was not a particular problem. In the Russian Navy, thanks to one very “clever leader” of the country, skills have been slightly lost. But everything returned to normal.
  26. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 07: 53
    +5
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    The American publication says that the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch pits are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

    --------------------------
    Our Shark (project 941), for example, is specially designed to crack Arctic ice up to 2 meters thick.
    Quotation from Wikipedia:
    In order for the boats to be able to stand on guard at high latitudes, the fencing fence is made very strong, capable of breaking ice 2-2,5 m thick (in winter, the thickness of ice in the Arctic Ocean varies from 1,2 to 2 m, and in some places reaches 2,5 m [25]). From below, the ice surface is covered with growths in the form of icicles or stalactites of considerable size. When surfacing, the underwater cruiser, removing the nasal rudders, slowly presses against the ice ceiling with a specially adapted nose and wheelhouse guards, after which the tanks of the main ballast are abruptly blown. [26]
    1. Vard
      Vard 22 March 2018 08: 11
      +1
      By the way, the US Navy is not at all capable of sailing in high latitudes ... Hulls of surface ships cannot withstand even a little ice ...
    2. myrzilka
      myrzilka 22 March 2018 16: 39
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

      Ice explodes very well with dynamite)))) Throw, partners, an idea))))
    3. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 41
      +1
      And not just Sharks
  27. Fedorov
    Fedorov 22 March 2018 08: 08
    +9
    There is such a friend - Dushenov Konstantin, a faithful former submariner officer. You can go to his site, he says cool things.
    So he told me that it’s not just like that, find wormwood and come up. Entire exercises under the USSR were dedicated to this. Experience and methodology were being accumulated, and not just breaking ice from a floundering bay. And the US is limping in this matter specifically, which is understandable.
    1. BAI
      BAI 22 March 2018 08: 59
      +1
      Well this is obvious. Without looking to bang his forehead on one and a half meter ice - it will not seem to anyone a little. In the end, the submarine is not an icebreaker.
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 22 March 2018 16: 02
        0
        And firing up rockets, weak?
    2. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 22 March 2018 10: 04
      +2
      We have such a device NEL-1M. Navigational echo-meter. They find them.
  28. myrzilka
    myrzilka 22 March 2018 08: 13
    +2
    So what? On the steep boat of the "great" power there was not a single crowbar, or ice pick, for breaking ice? They probably only have Nordic walking poles available. I give free advice to the brave sailors, does a lot of boiling water accumulate in organisms? The whole team along one side and pour boiling water over the ice))))) then quickly repeat the procedure on the other side so that it does not have time to freeze on the first))))
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 March 2018 09: 00
      +5
      Quote: myrzilka
      So what? On the steep boat of the "great" power there was not a single crowbar, or ice pick, for breaking ice?

      Look closely at the photo, then knock on the clave .. Yeah?
      1. myrzilka
        myrzilka 22 March 2018 16: 22
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Look closely at the photo, then knock on the clave .. Yeah?

        He looked in his hands holding a stick for Nordic walking)))

        Aha?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 March 2018 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: myrzilka
          Aha?

          Nah ... Not "Aha."
          Below colleague Sanchez posted a video fragment. Take a closer look at 3: 52 ... There you can see - an ice ax and an ice pick ...
          Now - AHA !!!. laughing
          1. myrzilka
            myrzilka 23 March 2018 00: 49
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            ice ax and ice pick

            He called the song. But the ice ax is already the fruit of your, so to speak, fantasy. I had a crowbar)))
            Our pick looks like this

            And here is a stick for Nordic walking.

            Now look very carefully at the video you mentioned. With a bit of humor of course.
            Look carefully, I repeat, blame and compare.
            And the iron rod, which they are trying to pick up the ice with, is called a scraper.
    2. san4es
      san4es 22 March 2018 09: 20
      +2
      hi Arctic Circle (March 10, 2016) USS Hartford (SSN 768) surfaces in the Arctic Circle near the Sargo Ice Camp during ice exercises (ICEX) 2016. Military personnel and civilians assigned to the Arctic Underwater Laboratory clear ice from hatches to provide access to surface. ICEX is a five-week exercise designed to research, test and evaluate the operational potential in the region.

      Mar. 2016 year
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 22 March 2018 16: 09
        +1
        Well done Americans. Strong boat. Beautifully surfaced.
        Even the hatch has not been freed from ice, and passers-by are already walking around the boat.
        1. san4es
          san4es 22 March 2018 16: 16
          +1
          Quote: Alex Justice
          Strong boat. .

        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 March 2018 17: 03
          +4
          Quote: Alex Justice
          Strong boat. Beautifully surfaced.

          Strong? Are you serious? A strong boat is a Shark (project 941) with a double hull, and it was just sharpened to break ice and go under the ice. And this miracle of mattress engineering is designed for warm waters more than for northern latitudes.
  29. -ш-
    -ш- 22 March 2018 08: 29
    0
    hahahaha, not spoiled in the first
  30. graf1980
    graf1980 22 March 2018 08: 33
    0
    But what about reconnaissance of the ice situation when entering launches or ice in a given area? They themselves had to open up like the sea before Moses!
    1. myrzilka
      myrzilka 22 March 2018 16: 25
      0
      Quote: graf1980
      or the ice should itself have been opened like a sea before Moses!

      Onet - exceptional))))
  31. Vanek
    Vanek 22 March 2018 08: 42
    +2
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    ice is not sand - do not pop


    Quote: Thrall
    And in the sand, it’s better not to stick around


    EVERYTHING!!! laughing Arrived! laughing

    hi
  32. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 46
    +1
    Quote: Dormidont
    It

    this is your nonsense
    according to the FACT, http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=274&am
    p; p = 11 # p1053233
  33. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 47
    0
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    diapers freeze

    so far they have “frozen” (to do what the US Navy is doing there permanently)
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 49
      +1
      So how do you know that “permanently” do PS of the same SF?
      1. 2534M
        2534M 23 March 2018 21: 50
        0
        So how do you know that “permanently” do PS of the same SF?

        1. NOT YOUR PSAKINO affair
        2. It is enough for me that I EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THEY DO NOT DO
  34. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 47
    +2
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    it’s even colder there - you need fur diapers - that's why the striped ban on the sale of fur products

    at striped there EVERYTHING IS OK
    in the ass we are
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 22 March 2018 10: 50
      +3
      in the ass YOU, do not try to pull everyone behind you.
    2. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 50
      +2
      I agree with 76SSSR that in order to sweep dust around the corner so much as you do, you need to at least boil a little in that boiler ...
      1. 2534M
        2534M 23 March 2018 21: 53
        +1
        I agree with 76SSSR that in order to sweep dust around the corner so much as you do, you need to at least boil a little in that boiler ...

        Psaka! in that “cauldron” I “cooked” not at all “a bit”
        and moreover - something cooked CAM (very unpleasant for s)
  35. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 48
    +1
    Quote: LSA57
    until you learn this, the ice will not let you go. and you never learn

    while ours are doing FITNESS there, the US Navy - BATTLE TRAINING
  36. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 52
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    like a fresh video.

    good video - given that ours have never done this

    those. the enemy has BATTLE TRAINING, we have FITNESS
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 52
      +1
      Damn, where did you get so stubborn? Went many times under pack ice? Been at least once in the Herald Trench? What is shooting in wormwood mode you know? No? then shut up, please, in a rag.
      1. 2534M
        2534M 23 March 2018 21: 56
        0
        What is shooting in wormwood mode you know? No? then shut up, please, in a rag.

        Psaka that stupid like a cork!
        1. "Wormwood" is a DISABLED CCH! Didn't know a bunny? So in the "school" it was better to study!
        2. In the current instructions for "this very" there are paragraphs that I wrote personally.
        PM
  37. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 52
    +2
    Quote: Fedorov
    There is such a friend - Dushenov Konstantin, a faithful former submariner officer. You can go to his site, he says cool things.

    he smashes nonsense enchantingly
  38. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    By the way, the US Navy is not at all capable of sailing in high latitudes.

    these are fairy tales
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 22 March 2018 09: 02
      +3
      here for people like you on the site "cons" ..
      Something to answer and object to you - only to feed the troll, and to shut up with minuses - that's it !!!
      soldier
      1. 76SSSR
        76SSSR 22 March 2018 10: 53
        +1
        it's damn crazy, farted and laughs alone.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. 2534M
          2534M 24 March 2018 10: 54
          0
          Quote: 76SSSR
          farted and laughs

          1. fart here YOU
          2. It will NOT be “funny” when our submarines (including the latest ones) will be drowned HOW KITTED
          I personally have long been VERY FUNNY
    2. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 54
      +2
      Yes, I will answer this "specialist." Both the US fleet and the ships of the Russian Navy PS are adapted for sailing under ice. We know how to break it better. But ONLY we can shoot rockets from high latitudes.
      1. 2534M
        2534M 23 March 2018 22: 01
        +1
        Yes, I will answer this "specialist." Both the US fleet and the ships of the Russian Navy PS are adapted for sailing under ice. We know how to break it better. But ONLY we can shoot rockets from high latitudes.

        1. you are not a "specialist" but a PSACA, moreover Dumb, - see about "Wormwood" above
        2. The best break - TUPO because of the stock of buoyancy and the "hump". Why did 955 end up in Kamchatka with no thoughts whatsoever?
        3. Am there is no “need” to shoot rockets from under the ice!
        4. But with torpedoes they shoot THERE A LONG TIME, MUCH. We - NEVER (NEVER) - with SSN included
  39. BAI
    BAI 22 March 2018 08: 54
    0
    This was already in 2017.

    All will not calm down in any way.
  40. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 55
    0
    Quote: BAI
    This was already in 2017.

    in 2017 there were ascent, but here they missed torpedo firing in the Arctic in 2017
  41. sgr291158
    sgr291158 22 March 2018 08: 57
    0
    Mariners are your mother. You that in general can.
  42. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 08: 59
    +2
    Quote: sgr291158
    Mariners are your mother. You that in general can.

    they can
    unlike ours
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 22 March 2018 09: 29
      0
      Quote: 2534M
      they can
      unlike ours


      So what holds here where they can’t do anything ?!
    2. Cetron
      Cetron 22 March 2018 10: 06
      +2
      Yours together with Ksyushad were together!
  43. Serge
    Serge 22 March 2018 09: 01
    0
    The RBU-Union of homeless Russia of Russia requires coordinates to assist! They will disassemble the bolts and gadgets and bring this unit on hand. Well, the crew will be heated and given a surrogate laughing
  44. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 09: 01
    +1
    Quote: Hunter 2
    The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!! Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme! Ice ax to you .... to help

    go deer feed;)
    it’s just in this Arctic underwater business that we are in the ass, and we don’t even have to get close to the US Navy
    1. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 22 March 2018 09: 40
      +2
      Past. Write about things in which you don’t understand anything at all. The "dumb" Soviet scientists came up with a special torpedo to blow ice, just so as not to look for wormwood. And the design features of our nuclear submarines make it possible to break such ice with just a hull. I would like to ask who will get the us sailors if they suddenly have a drop of water under the ice in the reactor?
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 22 March 2018 10: 54
        0
        ... excuse me, from which buoys will their AZ fall? With regards to getting the sailors - next is another submarine - there is where the crew to take if that ...
        1. annodomene
          annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 57
          +2
          You won’t believe it, but there was such a situation with the AZ, with both sides ... Unpleasant, to put it mildly ...
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 23 March 2018 10: 06
            0
            ... and what caused it?
          2. 2534M
            2534M 23 March 2018 22: 09
            +1
            Quote: annodomene
            You won’t believe it, but there was such a situation with the AZ, with both sides ... Unpleasant, to put it mildly ...

            especially with unstressed MESs - than the northerners often sinned
            in general, restoration of the GEM regime at a depth is quite an ordinary operation
            even on a single reactor boat
    2. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 56
      +1
      Once again for you personally (2534M) - see the post above. A man who has never been in the Arctic and bends his fingers ... Funny boy ...
      1. 2534M
        2534M 23 March 2018 22: 06
        0
        .
        Quote: annodomene
        Once again for you personally (2534M) - see the post above. A man who has never been in the Arctic and bends his fingers ... Funny boy ...

        Bunny, you yourself signed for your complete professional wood;)
        Well, about the Arctic - what is a night in a storm "claws" on rubber being washed off overboard - "tasted" in Baretsuha
  45. Old26
    Old26 22 March 2018 09: 02
    +4
    Quote: thinker
    To be fair, they didn’t go anywhere especially; exercises are held in the Beaufort Sea.
    According to ice conditions, the Beaufort Sea is one of the most severe seas of the Arctic Ocean. Ice is present in it constantly throughout the year .... The thickness of flat ice usually slightly exceeds 2 m,


    And do not forget that these are teachings. The task of the teachings is to learn. Today they did not work out very well, they will try again. I didn’t see any concrete examples except for gearing. Question to goggles. And WHEN EXTREMELY Russian boats surfaced in the ice? Given that many of them generally do not go to sea for years? When?
    Do not forget that a negative result is also a result.

    Quote: Monster_Fat
    The next "cheers-patriotic" heading has nothing to do with a real article. If you carefully read the article itself, it says that it "has difficulty" in performing the task, but not about the fact that the boat was "stuck" in the ice. The American publication says that the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch pits are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

    Why should many read this? The main thing is to talk about General Frost and polar bears with balalaikas.
    Do Elks have vertical shafts under the Tomahawks? Something too lazy to look for information about this.
    In principle, our first ascent in the 60s sometimes led to the fact that the crew on the hull found blocks of ice. True, ours did not have missiles at all. And then the strategists then searched for either half-hearted ones or pierced the most thin years by special means

    Quote: Altona
    Our Shark (project 941), for example, is specially designed to crack Arctic ice up to 2 meters thick.

    Eugene! But do not forget that "Elk" is not a "Shark." A bridge like Shark will break ice of such a thickness, but a much smaller Los Angeles has problems. But they do teach. And when we last surfaced at the pole ??? or even in the ice ???
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 09: 14
      +1
      Yes, the moose has vertical shafts with tomahawks.
  46. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 09: 04
    +2
    Quote: sdc_alex
    here for people like you on the site "cons" ..
    Something to answer and object to you - only to feed the troll, and to shut up with minuses - that's it !!!

    sheep sheep, you can only quietly spoil the "minus";)
    on the ESSENCE and the CASE - said, you have one bleating (and leaps - no worse than the Maidan monkeys)
  47. Charik
    Charik 22 March 2018 09: 07
    0
    what kind of nonsense cue recently shouted that the Russians do not know where theirs pl-so it surfaced in ice
  48. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 09: 07
    0
    Quote: Old26
    Today they did not work out very well, they will try again. I didn’t see any concrete examples except for gearing. Question to goggles. And WHEN EXTREMELY Russian boats surfaced in the ice?

    they all turned out fine
    and here Our NEVER (NEVER !!!) conducted torpedo firing in the Arctic (only with disabled CCHs)
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 23 March 2018 07: 59
      +1
      Call Lavrov ... Have you ever taken part in any shooting in the Arctic?
      1. 2534M
        2534M 23 March 2018 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: annodomene
        Have you ever taken part in any shooting in the Arctic?

        YES
        not under the ice
  49. 2534M
    2534M 22 March 2018 09: 09
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    And when we last surfaced at the pole ??? or even in the ice ???

    the question is not in the ascent (etc. "fitness") but in the OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY THERE BASIC WEAPONS PL
    we have with this .OPA FULL!
  50. Wolka
    Wolka 22 March 2018 09: 11
    +1
    rightly striped, because it’s not said by us: “don’t go into the water without knowing the ford”, especially where no one invited you (the Yankees) ...