Arctic ice does not allow the submarine Hartford US Navy to deliver a "simulated" missile strike

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The American submarine was actually stuck in the ice while practicing the “training hits”. US media reports referring to the command of the US Navy reported that it was a Hartford submarine, which was "disarmed" by the Arctic ice during an exercise.

It is known that the submarine Hartford while working out the interaction with another submarine Connecticut. The purpose of the exercise, as noted by military experts, is to work out a missile attack on Russia from a surface position.



It is noted that the thickness of the ice in the area of ​​maneuvers is such that one of the American submarines could not ascend to deliver an “imitation strike”.

The report of the US Navy says that the multi-purpose nuclear submarine USS Hartford (SSN 768) class "Los Angeles" is trying to break through the Arctic ice to perform the task during the exercise.



Information that the US submarine is experiencing problems with ice in the Arctic originally came from the publication NavyCurrentsMagazine.

This is not the first incident with USS Hartford. So, exactly 9 years ago (in March, 2009), while submerged in the waters of the Strait of Hormuz, it collided with the American landing ship USS New Orleans.
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  1. +16
    22 March 2018 07: 11
    This is a sign from Above.
    1. +25
      22 March 2018 07: 15
      Quote: Dormidont
      This is a sign from Above.

      ices - this is not sand - do not poke around - diapers will freeze laughing
      1. +19
        22 March 2018 07: 20
        The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!! Yes Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme! negative Ice ax to you .... to help feel
        1. +7
          22 March 2018 07: 24
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme!

          it’s even colder there - you need fur diapers - that’s why the striped ban on fur trade lol
          1. +4
            22 March 2018 08: 30
            Quote: Hunter 2
            The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!! Yes Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme! negative Ice ax to you .... to help feel


            In the Arctic, our Bears live and period.
        2. +33
          22 March 2018 07: 46
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!!

          until you learn this, the ice will not let you go. and you never learn laughing
          1. +3
            22 March 2018 08: 02
            Quote: LSA57
            ... the ice will not let you in ...

            Ice for Americans is not a problem ... No. Now from the hold with shovels and crowbars, descendants of the Sumerians will come out and dig their submarines. They dug up the Black Sea, and to dig out the submarines of their lords is a simple matter. Yes And if that doesn’t help, then with the shouts “Moskalyak to Gilyak” the tseevroGeytsy will jump around the boat, and crush the ice into small, small pieces ... laughing laughing laughing
            1. +1
              22 March 2018 08: 08
              Quote: Sergey-svs
              Now from the hold with shovels and crowbars, descendants of the Sumerians will come out and dig their submarines.

              belay are they in the hold instead of ballast? laughing
              1. 0
                23 March 2018 01: 13
                they are rowers there ...
            2. +1
              22 March 2018 09: 07
              as a last resort blacks.
              1. +4
                22 March 2018 10: 42
                Quote: bamoves
                as a last resort blacks.

                The Negro and the Arctic are incompatible concepts. There, all the white bears die with a laugh. laughing
        3. +9
          22 March 2018 10: 59
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!!

          I heard from informed people that during the Soviet era, numerous Arctic expeditions and operating drifting stations included the task of studying the physics and dynamics of ice to provide patrol routes and position areas for launching submarines from the Arctic Ocean. The Americans did not conduct such deep research in these latitudes, for which they are paying.
      2. +14
        22 March 2018 07: 32
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        ice is not sand - do not pop

        And in the sand, it’s better not to stick around smile
        1. +5
          22 March 2018 07: 44
          Quote: Thrall
          And in the sand, it’s better not to stick around

          Well, actually, yes - it is filling up in all the cracks - and diaper rash is a problem - there will not be enough hospitals lol
          1. +1
            22 March 2018 20: 40
            And they don’t know our most important military secret - do not fart during a march smile
            1. +3
              22 March 2018 20: 42
              Quote: Thrall
              And they don’t know our most important military secret - do not fart during a march smile

              yes, rkhz - quickly detect
            2. 0
              23 March 2018 16: 50
              Quote: Thrall
              And they don’t know our most important military secret - do not fart during a march smile

              Keep a second wind.
      3. +1
        22 March 2018 09: 47
        Yes, and in the sand too..Ass will rub ..
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        Quote: Dormidont
        This is a sign from Above.

        ices - this is not sand - do not poke around - diapers will freeze laughing
    2. +10
      22 March 2018 07: 19
      An urgent need to send an icebreaker! Our, Russian. And save the poor Americans. And then their products run out, freeze ... And toilet paper ... And polar bears are grinning nearby)))
      1. +28
        22 March 2018 07: 27
        An urgent need to send an icebreaker
        and ram the fuck! lol
        1. +9
          22 March 2018 07: 28
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and ram the fuck!

          better than kraken laughing
          1. +10
            22 March 2018 07: 44
            What evil are you all! Horror is simple! You just need to send a company of our walruses with dancing, vodka and a snack there! And have a picnic near the PL mattresses! And do not let them go to you except on 4 bones behind the bone laughing
            1. +6
              22 March 2018 07: 46
              Quote: Serge
              You just need to send the company of our walruses with dances, vodka, appetizer there!

              and where are the polar bears? and without balalaika why? Matryoshka still need !!!!
            2. +2
              22 March 2018 07: 58
              Come on, shozh so rude then? Whatever, guests!
              Let them come at least for their two, they will certainly crawl away for four! At who can at least crawl?
          2. +1
            22 March 2018 08: 48
            Quote: Angel_and_Demon
            An urgent need to send an icebreaker


            Don’t ... it’s better to blow up ice ... maybe a "caliber"? Or some kind of fab?
      2. +1
        22 March 2018 07: 47
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        .And also polar bears are grinning nearby)))

        you can leave a couple of warriors for dessert to bears laughing
        1. +5
          22 March 2018 07: 55
          How, AGAIN stuck?
          Isn’t that the boat that can \ should fear us?
          Can you help her stay there FOREVER? Where is our General Frost? There is an important task!
      3. +1
        23 March 2018 10: 27
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        An urgent need to send an icebreaker! Our, Russian.

        Send Chukchi dogs, let American sailors ride through the fresh air, look and change their minds to militarize the Arctic ...
    3. +2
      22 March 2018 08: 12
      Dormidont (Dormidont)
      This is a sign from Above.

      This is a sign that the Russian ally, Santa Claus, has come to the NATO exercises in the Arctic to see and burn. Let them order an icebreaker from Russia. Everything according to Zadornov ...
    4. +4
      22 March 2018 08: 26
      As they say do not go into the water without knowing the ford, in this case, the Arctic ice.
      The Americans were completely degraded; before the ascent, they did not try to reconnoiter the ice thickness and their capabilities. In short, the "exceptional" screwed up again.
  2. +42
    22 March 2018 07: 15
    Chelyuskintsy, thought Stirlitz smile
    1. +26
      22 March 2018 07: 23
      DE, bills, Chelyuskintsy thought wassat
      1. +4
        22 March 2018 07: 30
        "Friends from our house," thought DE-bills ..))
    2. +5
      22 March 2018 07: 27
      Laughter, laughter, but if the "exceptional" fools are frozen in the ice, then your joke will become a reality.
    3. +10
      22 March 2018 07: 28
      Stirlitz? surprised chelyuskintsy laughing
      1. +6
        22 March 2018 07: 41
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Stirlitz? surprised chelyuskintsy laughing

        Hello Roman hi Can drive the boat with ice, throw it frozen, and leave the boat for American and English tourists. smile
        1. +2
          22 March 2018 07: 51
          R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi smacks of climatic weapons. Russian treacherous, how many have already froze - and do not count!
          1. +3
            22 March 2018 08: 06
            Alexey, Vitaliy, Roman, hello soldier
            The question is, how many more freezing experiments do these waterfowl need to understand that General Frost is ours, Native! In his possession of these birds, fish and other creeping move no!
            1. +3
              22 March 2018 08: 25
              Quote: rocket757
              The question is, how many more freezing experiments do these waterfowl need to understand that General Frost is ours, Native! In his possession of these birds, fish and other creeping move no!

              Victor, welcome hi
              They would have one, but a global experimenter to freeze their "exceptional" island in the oceans. Immediately cool down a bit ... lol
              1. +2
                22 March 2018 09: 09
                Yes, and they will immediately need MUCH gas! And we, harmful ones, in the natural, harmless, we will allow an extra! They don’t need the “Fool” anymore, there are enough of those copies, which, no matter how reassuring, pacifying, doesn’t hurt!
                1. +3
                  22 March 2018 09: 27
                  Yeah, the disease will freeze, we will definitely blow them ... natural gas for sugaring laughing
                2. +5
                  22 March 2018 19: 31
                  Wah, why so hard! Exclusively “Pervachyak” - still known as “Pervach”!
                  1. +2
                    22 March 2018 21: 46
                    Why translate a good product? Turpentine - an accelerator between them "bun" for sugrevu and speed! Just enough charge to the Mexican border! And it’s warm there!
  3. +5
    22 March 2018 07: 19
    1. Why the hell did they get in there if they can't shoot parallels above 80?
    2. Judging by the picture - the thickness of the ice is less than 0,5 meters and they could hardly break it. Salagi ... Or a picture from another place and from another place.
    3. And yet, they have not been given a third ...
    1. +5
      22 March 2018 08: 42
      To be fair, they didn’t go anywhere especially; exercises are held in the Beaufort Sea.
      According to ice conditions, the Beaufort Sea is one of the most severe seas of the Arctic Ocean. Ice is present in it constantly throughout the year .... The thickness of flat ice usually slightly exceeds 2 m,

      1. 0
        22 March 2018 08: 58
        Quote: thinker
        To be fair, they didn’t go anywhere especially; exercises are held in the Beaufort Sea

        Ours, when rockets were launched from the North Pole from the Yekaterinburg SSBN (specifically), they first sent an icebreaker to make it ice-hole for ascent. Americans only thought about suddenness. Surprise and received (in the form of the inability to emerge) laughing
        1. +2
          22 March 2018 09: 24
          Quote: DenZ
          then the icebreaker was sent first so that it would make wormwood for ascent

          Then it's just window dressing.
          Or, in case of war, will we accompany each submarine with an icebreaker?
          1. +4
            22 March 2018 09: 43
            Quote: AntiFREEZ
            Then it's just window dressing. Or, in case of war, will we accompany each submarine with an icebreaker?

            This is not window dressing and not in case of war. They simply worked out some flight regimes of a rocket from a geographic point of the globe that was not trivially geographically (zero latitude and longitude). It was a test run. And since they knew in advance that the boat would not make itself a wormwood, they sent an icebreaker. Why Americans often get stuck in ice I don’t know. Apparently they believe that the ice should part before the elect.
            1. jjj
              +1
              22 March 2018 10: 27
              Quote: DenZ
              zero latitude and longitude

              Well, let's say it's on the globe they are only zero ...
              1. 0
                22 March 2018 11: 35
                Quote: jjj
                Well, let's say it's on the globe they are only zero ...

                Well, yes, everything is somewhat arbitrary. Allowed in general "from the North Pole"
              2. +1
                22 March 2018 14: 16
                Well, let's say it's on the globe they are only zero.

                And in real life at the North Pole in all directions South! Try to navigate and shandarahnut rocket.
                1. +2
                  23 March 2018 07: 32
                  At our joint venture specifically for ICBMs, there is no south in all directions. And there are specific coordinates that are great different from 0 and from 90. Oh, how! Only we can shoot at latitudes over 80 degrees NW.
          2. +1
            23 March 2018 07: 36
            In case of war, you will first need to “pull” something in the “wormwood” mode. This is a very standard situation.
      2. 0
        22 March 2018 19: 43
        So it’s not like spring, even summer will not help them. Well, well, this segment of the weapon will be frozen until global warming. In the end, Zumvolt is. It doesn’t shoot either, but it also has an expensive, terribly dangerous technique.
  4. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 19
    you need to carry a crowbar
  5. +2
    22 March 2018 07: 19
    They didn’t try to melt the ice with blowtorches ... laughing
    1. +4
      22 March 2018 07: 29
      you can still write on ice
      1. +2
        22 March 2018 07: 30
        novel66 (novel) Today, 07: 29 ↑ New
        you can still write on ice

        then they need a crew of about the middle province of China ...
        1. +1
          22 March 2018 07: 32
          or a lot of diuretic
  6. +2
    22 March 2018 07: 22
    Global warming is to A. Gore.
    and the Russians sent General Moroz to peaceful amers.
    sit in the Gulf of Mexico and train there.
  7. 0
    22 March 2018 07: 22
    Nature itself puts their militarians in their place! You need a "strategist" to send the Yankees then ice with teeth in a couple of minutes crumble to dust lol .
  8. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 25
    development of missile attacks on Russia from the surface
    Even nature is against such teachings. Probably, before the ascent, the landing party cut open wormwood for cutting to make the picture colorful. It remains ours to help the "colleagues" in distress.
  9. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 25
    All these Americans are in the way .. That’s Russian ice, then the stupidity of the leaders ..
  10. 0
    22 March 2018 07: 27
    And I damn, I read: "Found." And then, over there. And they made friends. And disarmed without any special forces
  11. Mwg
    0
    22 March 2018 07: 28
    "The American submarine was actually stuck in the ice" - something like this I really expected to read when information about US maneuvers in this region passed.
    Fun attempts "friends of all mankind", I sincerely say)))
  12. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 30
    Arctic ice on give US Navy Hartford submarine

    the author ... how they put the submarine ... belay
    the meaning of the heading is completely different.
  13. 0
    22 March 2018 07: 30
    Arctic ice on give submarine

    do not give
    A torpedo can not be launched on the ice crust?
    1. +1
      22 March 2018 07: 33
      A torpedo can not be launched on the ice crust?

      It’s possible ... if the ice is given, then torpedoes will fly on the ice smile .
    2. +1
      22 March 2018 08: 16
      The boat was already frozen. Where to let the torpedo? It is before the ascent by torpedoes that they break through the "window", now it is too late.
  14. +5
    22 March 2018 07: 34
    I think this option does not threaten them ... fellow
    1. +3
      22 March 2018 07: 42
      Great video in every sense ... I would then show it to my grandchildren, this is where the brothers are real drive and adrenaline ...
      it’s one thing to hang on a crane with one hand to some underdeveloped imbecile, and it’s quite another to swim from the side of a nuclear submarine in the center of the Arctic.
  15. +6
    22 March 2018 07: 34
    hang on, people ... summer is coming! lol
    1. +5
      22 March 2018 07: 43
      Pryuvetiki Marinochka! Who cares, you can see, like a fresh video.
      1. 0
        22 March 2018 07: 46
        Quote: sabakina
        Pryuvetiki Marinochka!

        feel lol What nonce ladies), aggressive) on the site .. cats - dogs)
        hello to moderators drinks fellow
      2. 0
        22 March 2018 19: 47
        Our RPG competently took them to the sight. These are the wunderwafles. Any soldier with an RPG can put an end to such a masterpiece of the American military-industrial complex.
  16. 0
    22 March 2018 07: 34
    Quote: novel xnumx
    you can still write on ice

    it will not work: then you will have to rake the mountain of yellow ice!
  17. 0
    22 March 2018 07: 35
    Shaw? !! Putin again? !! smile That America will fall asleep with snow ... now he has taken up the ice ... is omnipresent! smile
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  18. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 37
    What Americans are still impatient. Scientists have long been talking about warming, melting of snow and even ice. Let them wait a little .... Someday the ice will melt, then you can begin to learn how to work out strikes ... And missile ... And all sorts of different others .... They are impatient, these Americans, oh impatient ......
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 20: 04
      This teaching was very important. They say you are missiles, with unlimited range, and we are a bunch of you who have survived to our days by a miracle. And the world community at that moment should have admired the power and greatness of the American scientific and technical genius. Well, it didn’t work out, CienNan will make another program, like: - an epic of rescue from the ice captivity of the flagship of advanced thought and technology. Where the world community admire the scientific and technical genius of the American .... And there you look or global warming, or ...
  19. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 37
    Funny! belay laughing Our Arctic ice is already at war with American submarines! laughing Again, the Russians are to blame! wink
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 20: 06
      their ice, but they are fighting for us. Although they probably remember WHOSE Alaska, it means you say it right - Ours.
  20. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 40
    Quote: aszzz888
    They didn’t try to melt the ice with blowtorches ... laughing

    And they have not yet invented it! These are our secret developments. tongue wink
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 20: 10
      Backward people. Is there really nothing to warm up a boat with? Eh. It is painful to say, but: - Goodbye America
  21. 0
    22 March 2018 07: 42
    Nothing, warming soon. Thaw out. If this is not another test of our new weapon.
    Although, there the ice is not so thick either.
  22. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 44
    Quote: hbvkzyby
    you need to carry a crowbar

    So, American advanced civilization has not thought of this before! laughing
  23. +2
    22 March 2018 07: 46
    Quote: ul_vitalii
    Chelyuskintsy, thought Stirlitz smile

    So, let Russian planes call for help! Quickly ice around the bomb! wink laughing
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 20: 13
      Pinocchio is needed, warm the air, melt the ice.
  24. +1
    22 March 2018 07: 47
    Quote: Dormidont
    This is a sign from Above.

    Good sign! Let’s not climb, where it is not necessary! laughing
  25. +7
    22 March 2018 07: 48
    The next "cheers-patriotic" heading has nothing to do with a real article. If you carefully read the article itself, it says that it "has difficulty" in performing the task, but not about the fact that the boat was "stuck" in the ice. The American publication says that the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch pits are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.
    1. +7
      22 March 2018 08: 19
      What pathos! What happened?
      The representative of the "exceptional" nation touched for the living? What does it mean - "launch mines are closed by people ..."? Luda came and closed?
    2. +4
      22 March 2018 08: 46
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

      Could you think about it before? Decided to break through the Arctic ice. The Arctic is cold, snow and ice. He does not tolerate negligence. This is not to drive through the deserts of the Papuans.
      And there is no jingoism in the article. Just a little "banter" over overly confident d @ dnyami.
      1. +3
        22 March 2018 08: 51
        And where is the "pathos"? It’s just that the Americans began to learn new directions somewhat abandoned recently (during the period of “detente”), this was required in connection with the deterioration of the international situation. They train, study, draw conclusions, find new solutions, a normal work process ... I don’t see a reason for scumbag and sarcasm ...
        1. +5
          22 March 2018 08: 59
          But do not you think, dear, that the Americans are trying to learn something, somehow many “directions”, and stick their long nose to where their business is absolutely not? Maybe it's good to climb into every hole? You look and the world will become calmer ...
          1. +3
            22 March 2018 09: 08
            No, it doesn’t. This is their business (of the Americans) —they do what they see fit and will continue to do it whether someone likes it or not. Do the same .... if you can. wink
            1. +2
              22 March 2018 09: 22
              Well, yes of course, what am I talking about ... Only the grave will correct Humpback.
              1. +1
                22 March 2018 09: 48
                Monster fat: "It’s their business (of the Americans) - they do what they see fit and will continue to do it whether someone likes it or not .."
                But something has been getting harder and harder lately ... The times have passed for Amers: “What I want and I turn” .. I want to - wave the test tube at the UN, and I will start bombing the whole country. Is not it?
                So with interest I will follow how the "exceptional" will be put on THEIR PLACE. The process has already begun. The Amerza could not do anything with Yyn, as well as with us, and with China, Iran, Syria.
                Let's see how the next "empire" collapses.
                1. +1
                  22 March 2018 10: 34
                  “Collapsing”, “falling apart”, “yellowstone”, “San Andreas”, “surviving” .... wink
                  And on the other end:
                  "At one of the first meetings after the election, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the change in taxes. Raising personal income tax while canceling the preferential VAT rate - a double blow to the population, on the one hand, will lower their incomes, and on the other, increase prices. Zero personal income tax for the poor and direct subsidies should help them, she says, but higher prices and tax burdens can lead to higher numbers of the poor and less middle class.
                  Income tax is planned to increase from 13 to 15% .... " wink
                  1. +5
                    22 March 2018 11: 18
                    Are you trying to agitate? In vain. Yes, and late, you, my dear with agitation.
                    What is all your "work" worth - well shown on March 18.
                    How many "greens" flew into the pipe to support the "der..mocracy" in Russia?
                    Many, very many. And the result? The Belolentochnoe swamp did not work ...
                    Russian-patient people.
                    And for the sake of such a show: "The collapse of the mattress empire" - will be tolerated, be sure.
                    We didn’t go through that.
                    Not that some are “Indian killers” ...
                    1. +1
                      22 March 2018 12: 05
                      "Agitate"? Yes, God forbid, you made your choice and you live with him now, for many, many years ... or a little? So let's see ... As you write - "wait" ... wink
                      PS: Forgot to add from the "classics": "A. you .... And you ... there are also blacks lynching ..." wink
                      1. +3
                        22 March 2018 12: 22
                        We made a choice.
                        And living with this choice is NOW FOR YOU too!
                        As many as SIX years !!!
                        And then - "we will see" ...

                        ps Don’t offend the Africans, calling them Negroes, and you can even "fly unexpected" ... Yes, yes, now even from them they can "fly" to your "exclusive" side ... Eeehhh, where you, "Shadow of the Past Greatness" ???? No respect for the "hegemon" ... Gyy
                      2. +7
                        22 March 2018 12: 38
                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        PS: Forgot to add from the "classics": "A. you .... And you ... there are also blacks lynching ..."

                        And in schools, packs of schoolchildren are shot. hi
                  2. +1
                    22 March 2018 14: 38
                    Quote: Monster_Fat
                    “Collapsing”, “falling apart”, “yellowstone”, “San Andreas”, “surviving” .... wink
                    And on the other end:
                    Income tax is planned to increase from 13 to 15% .... " wink

                    What is the connection between them, explain?
                    Or a tax increase of up to 15% (not a fact) equates to a natural disaster (volcanic eruption)?
                  3. 0
                    22 March 2018 20: 23
                    With our pennies is not critical.
    3. +8
      22 March 2018 09: 20
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch mines are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

      1. Amov’s ice reconnaissance is not to be seen in the Red Army ...
      2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...
      3. Launchers in the nasal tip. Therefore, you can "dance", and he will "slide" ... Unless, of course, the supply of the Air Force is enough. But, being at the top, nothing (except for secrecy) does not interfere with knocking out cylinders of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....
      4. An "advanced nation" could think of explosive-technical methods of cleaning the hull from ice ... And then a "wretched" picks ice floes with a crowbar ...
      Believe me, this is not a problem that needs to be “bred” in order to defeat the Russians ... It strains something different: the Amy came to our pasture, and this is already dangerous ...
      Sincerely. hi
      1. +2
        22 March 2018 09: 40
        Quote: BoA KAA
        ... the amas came to our pasture,

        hi
        Class Boats: Seawolf, Los Angeles and Virginia
        US Navy exercises in this region of the world are common because of its geostrategic importance.

        Ultimate military channel
        Posted on: 17 Dec 2016
      2. +6
        22 March 2018 12: 25
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...

        I think more ... but less than a meter ...
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Launchers in the nasal tip. Therefore, you can "dance", and he "crawls".

        Sasha, don’t tell me ... let the lessons be done.
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        An "advanced nation" could think of explosive-technical methods of cleaning the hull from ice ... And then a "wretched" picks ice floes with a crowbar ...

        Shh ... let it work ... there are three things that you can look endlessly at fire, water, and like a mattress half-meter ice picks with a crowbar.
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Amy came to our pasture, and this is already dangerous ...

        It’s dangerous ... but, for them it’s all new, and we have settled down there already. And the big question is whether they come back later.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. 0
          22 March 2018 12: 56
          And in schools, packs of schoolchildren are shot.

          Yes, they "shoot", but the Americans have enough intelligence and patience to assert their right to weapons ... but in Russia, the right to weapons ... continue or not?
          PS: remember my cat’s name? wink
          1. +2
            22 March 2018 13: 05
            And rightly so !!!
            Defend, up to the last defend!
            Until everything in FIGs shoots each other ...
            And we'll see, wait ... Gyyy
          2. +7
            22 March 2018 13: 07
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Yes, "shoot", but the Americans have the mind and patience to defend their right to arms

            Well, yes ... do you recall the story of a monkey with a grenade? And if it’s normal for you that every week, a month an imbecile appears with a gun at school and with a mayonnaise in the head that shoots people off with classes, then continue to defend your right to weapons ... you will soon see the children at such a pace and you won’t be left with you.
            1. +3
              22 March 2018 13: 21
              Unfortunately, it is difficult for me to prove here that the possession of weapons is one of the rights of citizens characterizing their freedom. The costs of this have a place to be, and that's fine.
              1. +2
                22 March 2018 13: 39
                Yes, yes, of course, where are we to you, "EXCLUSIVE" !!!
                Where can we understand such "High Matter" ... Gyyy
              2. +6
                22 March 2018 14: 56
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                The costs of this have a place to be, and that's fine.

                I would listen to you, if God forbid, some psycho-youngster would shoot your children at school ... then I would listen from you about freedom and the assertion of rights.
              3. +2
                22 March 2018 16: 36
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                Unfortunately, it is difficult for me to prove here that the possession of weapons is one of the rights of citizens characterizing their freedom.

                Your so-called "freedom" came from the widespread carrying of weapons by gallows and other rabble, which rushed to the expanses of the New World from crowded Europe. And finally he allowed himself what had been suppressed for so long in the Old World. Namely, to kill, to kill simply and without unnecessary sentiment. Your country, which began with the genocide of the indigenous population of America, and continued its legitimization of slavery. And now all this garbage brew, proudly calling itself a bastion of democracy, which has never been there. He is trying to prove that the right to freely kill others is the highest achievement of their "democracy" - and in fact the right of the strong.
          3. +1
            22 March 2018 15: 45
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            And in schools, packs of schoolchildren are shot.

            Yes, they "shoot", but the Americans have enough intelligence and patience to assert their right to weapons ... but in Russia, the right to weapons ... continue or not?
            PS: remember my cat’s name? wink

            Found something to be proud of - the right to arms. And then lunatics run to schools with automatic weapons and kill children.
            Pride climbs from all the cracks.
            P / S in Russia has the right to civilian firearms (self-defense). And no more.
        2. +2
          22 March 2018 16: 19
          Quote: NEXUS
          ... I think more ...
          fellow
      3. +1
        23 March 2018 11: 04
        1. Amov’s ice reconnaissance is not to be seen in the Red Army ...
        2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...
        3. Launchers in the nasal tip. Therefore, you can "dance", and he will "slide" ... Unless, of course, the supply of the Air Force is enough. But, being at the top, nothing (except for secrecy) does not interfere with knocking out cylinders of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....

        Affects less buoyancy in American submarines. And the method of ascent is not very clear. What do I mean - after the glaciation and all the measures and if the reserve allowed, when we ascended, we blew air, and then purged the Central City Hospital. A bubble was created, ice broke under its weight on the hull. Well, indeed, if the logging has come out, nothing prevents replenishing the VVD and still blowing.
    4. 0
      22 March 2018 20: 16
      You tell these sad stories in NATO, there they will treat them with understanding.
    5. +2
      23 March 2018 07: 40
      They will have to come up with a long time. In the Soviet Navy, this was not a particular problem. In the Russian Navy, thanks to one very “clever leader” of the country, skills have been slightly lost. But everything returned to normal.
  26. +5
    22 March 2018 07: 53
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    The American publication says that the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch pits are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

    --------------------------
    Our Shark (project 941), for example, is specially designed to crack Arctic ice up to 2 meters thick.
    Quotation from Wikipedia:
    In order for the boats to be able to stand on guard at high latitudes, the fencing fence is made very strong, capable of breaking ice 2-2,5 m thick (in winter, the thickness of ice in the Arctic Ocean varies from 1,2 to 2 m, and in some places reaches 2,5 m [25]). From below, the ice surface is covered with growths in the form of icicles or stalactites of considerable size. When surfacing, the underwater cruiser, removing the nasal rudders, slowly presses against the ice ceiling with a specially adapted nose and wheelhouse guards, after which the tanks of the main ballast are abruptly blown. [26]
    1. +1
      22 March 2018 08: 11
      By the way, the US Navy is not at all capable of sailing in high latitudes ... Hulls of surface ships cannot withstand even a little ice ...
    2. 0
      22 March 2018 16: 39
      Quote: Altona
      Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

      Ice explodes very well with dynamite)))) Throw, partners, an idea))))
    3. +1
      23 March 2018 07: 41
      And not just Sharks
  27. +9
    22 March 2018 08: 08
    There is such a friend - Dushenov Konstantin, a faithful former submariner officer. You can go to his site, he says cool things.
    So he told me that it’s not just like that, find wormwood and come up. Entire exercises under the USSR were dedicated to this. Experience and methodology were being accumulated, and not just breaking ice from a floundering bay. And the US is limping in this matter specifically, which is understandable.
    1. BAI
      +1
      22 March 2018 08: 59
      Well this is obvious. Without looking to bang his forehead on one and a half meter ice - it will not seem to anyone a little. In the end, the submarine is not an icebreaker.
      1. 0
        22 March 2018 16: 02
        And firing up rockets, weak?
    2. +2
      22 March 2018 10: 04
      We have such a device NEL-1M. Navigational echo-meter. They find them.
  28. +2
    22 March 2018 08: 13
    So what? On the steep boat of the "great" power there was not a single crowbar, or ice pick, for breaking ice? They probably only have Nordic walking poles available. I give free advice to the brave sailors, does a lot of boiling water accumulate in organisms? The whole team along one side and pour boiling water over the ice))))) then quickly repeat the procedure on the other side so that it does not have time to freeze on the first))))
    1. +5
      22 March 2018 09: 00
      Quote: myrzilka
      So what? On the steep boat of the "great" power there was not a single crowbar, or ice pick, for breaking ice?

      Look closely at the photo, then knock on the clave .. Yeah?
      1. 0
        22 March 2018 16: 22
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Look closely at the photo, then knock on the clave .. Yeah?

        He looked in his hands holding a stick for Nordic walking)))

        Aha?
        1. +1
          22 March 2018 22: 30
          Quote: myrzilka
          Aha?

          Nah ... Not "Aha."
          Below colleague Sanchez posted a video fragment. Take a closer look at 3: 52 ... There you can see - an ice ax and an ice pick ...
          Now - AHA !!!. laughing
          1. 0
            23 March 2018 00: 49
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            ice ax and ice pick

            He called the song. But the ice ax is already the fruit of your, so to speak, fantasy. I had a crowbar)))
            Our pick looks like this

            And here is a stick for Nordic walking.

            Now look very carefully at the video you mentioned. With a bit of humor of course.
            Look carefully, I repeat, blame and compare.
            And the iron rod, which they are trying to pick up the ice with, is called a scraper.
    2. +2
      22 March 2018 09: 20
      hi Arctic Circle (March 10, 2016) USS Hartford (SSN 768) surfaces in the Arctic Circle near the Sargo Ice Camp during ice exercises (ICEX) 2016. Military personnel and civilians assigned to the Arctic Underwater Laboratory clear ice from hatches to provide access to surface. ICEX is a five-week exercise designed to research, test and evaluate the operational potential in the region.

      Mar. 2016 year
      1. +1
        22 March 2018 16: 09
        Well done Americans. Strong boat. Beautifully surfaced.
        Even the hatch has not been freed from ice, and passers-by are already walking around the boat.
        1. +1
          22 March 2018 16: 16
          Quote: Alex Justice
          Strong boat. .

        2. +4
          22 March 2018 17: 03
          Quote: Alex Justice
          Strong boat. Beautifully surfaced.

          Strong? Are you serious? A strong boat is a Shark (project 941) with a double hull, and it was just sharpened to break ice and go under the ice. And this miracle of mattress engineering is designed for warm waters more than for northern latitudes.
  29. 0
    22 March 2018 08: 29
    hahahaha, not spoiled in the first
  30. 0
    22 March 2018 08: 33
    But what about reconnaissance of the ice situation when entering launches or ice in a given area? They themselves had to open up like the sea before Moses!
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 16: 25
      Quote: graf1980
      or the ice should itself have been opened like a sea before Moses!

      Onet - exceptional))))
  31. +2
    22 March 2018 08: 42
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    ice is not sand - do not pop


    Quote: Thrall
    And in the sand, it’s better not to stick around


    EVERYTHING!!! laughing Arrived! laughing

    hi
  32. +1
    22 March 2018 08: 46
    Quote: Dormidont
    It is a

    this is your nonsense
    according to the FACT, http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=274&am
    p; p = 11 # p1053233
  33. 0
    22 March 2018 08: 47
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    diapers freeze

    so far they have “frozen” (to do what the US Navy is doing there permanently)
    1. +1
      23 March 2018 07: 49
      So how do you know that “permanently” do PS of the same SF?
      1. 0
        23 March 2018 21: 50
        So how do you know that “permanently” do PS of the same SF?

        1. NOT YOUR PSAKINO affair
        2. It is enough for me that I EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THEY DO NOT DO
  34. +2
    22 March 2018 08: 47
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    it’s even colder there - you need fur diapers - that's why the striped ban on the sale of fur products

    at striped there EVERYTHING IS OK
    in the ass we are
    1. +3
      22 March 2018 10: 50
      in the ass YOU, do not try to pull everyone behind you.
    2. +2
      23 March 2018 07: 50
      I agree with 76SSSR that in order to sweep dust around the corner so much as you do, you need to at least boil a little in that boiler ...
      1. +1
        23 March 2018 21: 53
        I agree with 76SSSR that in order to sweep dust around the corner so much as you do, you need to at least boil a little in that boiler ...

        Psaka! in that “cauldron” I “cooked” not at all “a bit”
        and moreover - something cooked CAM (very unpleasant for s)
  35. +1
    22 March 2018 08: 48
    Quote: LSA57
    until you learn this, the ice will not let you go. and you never learn

    while ours are doing FITNESS there, the US Navy - BATTLE TRAINING
  36. +1
    22 March 2018 08: 52
    Quote: sabakina
    like a fresh video.

    good video - given that ours have never done this

    those. the enemy has BATTLE TRAINING, we have FITNESS
    1. +1
      23 March 2018 07: 52
      Damn, where did you get so stubborn? Went many times under pack ice? Been at least once in the Herald Trench? What is shooting in wormwood mode you know? No? then shut up, please, in a rag.
      1. 0
        23 March 2018 21: 56
        What is shooting in wormwood mode you know? No? then shut up, please, in a rag.

        Psaka that stupid like a cork!
        1. "Wormwood" is a DISABLED CCH! Didn't know a bunny? So in the "school" it was better to study!
        2. In the current instructions for "this very" there are paragraphs that I wrote personally.
        PM
  37. +2
    22 March 2018 08: 52
    Quote: Fedorov
    There is such a friend - Dushenov Konstantin, a faithful former submariner officer. You can go to his site, he says cool things.

    he smashes nonsense enchantingly
  38. +1
    22 March 2018 08: 53
    Quote: Vard
    By the way, the US Navy is not at all capable of sailing in high latitudes.

    these are fairy tales
    1. +3
      22 March 2018 09: 02
      here for people like you on the site "cons" ..
      Something to answer and object to you - only to feed the troll, and to shut up with minuses - that's it !!!
      soldier
      1. +1
        22 March 2018 10: 53
        it's damn crazy, farted and laughs alone.
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        2. 0
          24 March 2018 10: 54
          Quote: 76SSSR
          farted and laughs

          1. fart here YOU
          2. It will NOT be “funny” when our submarines (including the latest ones) will be drowned HOW KITTED
          I personally have long been VERY FUNNY
    2. +2
      23 March 2018 07: 54
      Yes, I will answer this "specialist." Both the US fleet and the ships of the Russian Navy PS are adapted for sailing under ice. We know how to break it better. But ONLY we can shoot rockets from high latitudes.
      1. +1
        23 March 2018 22: 01
        Yes, I will answer this "specialist." Both the US fleet and the ships of the Russian Navy PS are adapted for sailing under ice. We know how to break it better. But ONLY we can shoot rockets from high latitudes.

        1. you are not a "specialist" but a PSACA, moreover Dumb, - see about "Wormwood" above
        2. The best break - TUPO because of the stock of buoyancy and the "hump". Why did 955 end up in Kamchatka with no thoughts whatsoever?
        3. Am there is no “need” to shoot rockets from under the ice!
        4. But with torpedoes they shoot THERE A LONG TIME, MUCH. We - NEVER (NEVER) - with SSN included
  39. BAI
    0
    22 March 2018 08: 54
    This was already in 2017.

    All will not calm down in any way.
  40. 0
    22 March 2018 08: 55
    Quote: BAI
    This was already in 2017.

    in 2017 there were ascent, but here they missed torpedo firing in the Arctic in 2017
  41. 0
    22 March 2018 08: 57
    Mariners are your mother. You that in general can.
  42. +2
    22 March 2018 08: 59
    Quote: sgr291158
    Mariners are your mother. You that in general can.

    they can
    unlike ours
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 09: 29
      Quote: 2534M
      they can
      unlike ours


      So what holds here where they can’t do anything ?!
    2. +2
      22 March 2018 10: 06
      Yours together with Ksyushad were together!
  43. 0
    22 March 2018 09: 01
    The RBU-Union of homeless Russia of Russia requires coordinates to assist! They will disassemble the bolts and gadgets and bring this unit on hand. Well, the crew will be heated and given a surrogate laughing
  44. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 01
    Quote: Hunter 2
    The Arctic is Russian after all! There is nothing to climb !!! Mattresses - chat with penguins at the other extreme! Ice ax to you .... to help

    go deer feed;)
    it’s just in this Arctic underwater business that we are in the ass, and we don’t even have to get close to the US Navy
    1. +2
      22 March 2018 09: 40
      Past. Write about things in which you don’t understand anything at all. The "dumb" Soviet scientists came up with a special torpedo to blow ice, just so as not to look for wormwood. And the design features of our nuclear submarines make it possible to break such ice with just a hull. I would like to ask who will get the us sailors if they suddenly have a drop of water under the ice in the reactor?
      1. 0
        22 March 2018 10: 54
        ... excuse me, from which buoys will their AZ fall? With regards to getting the sailors - next is another submarine - there is where the crew to take if that ...
        1. +2
          23 March 2018 07: 57
          You won’t believe it, but there was such a situation with the AZ, with both sides ... Unpleasant, to put it mildly ...
          1. 0
            23 March 2018 10: 06
            ... and what caused it?
          2. +1
            23 March 2018 22: 09
            Quote: annodomene
            You won’t believe it, but there was such a situation with the AZ, with both sides ... Unpleasant, to put it mildly ...

            especially with unstressed MESs - than the northerners often sinned
            in general, restoration of the GEM regime at a depth is quite an ordinary operation
            even on a single reactor boat
    2. +1
      23 March 2018 07: 56
      Once again for you personally (2534M) - see the post above. A man who has never been in the Arctic and bends his fingers ... Funny boy ...
      1. 0
        23 March 2018 22: 06
        .
        Quote: annodomene
        Once again for you personally (2534M) - see the post above. A man who has never been in the Arctic and bends his fingers ... Funny boy ...

        Bunny, you yourself signed for your complete professional wood;)
        Well, about the Arctic - what is a night in a storm "claws" on rubber being washed off overboard - "tasted" in Baretsuha
  45. +4
    22 March 2018 09: 02
    Quote: thinker
    To be fair, they didn’t go anywhere especially; exercises are held in the Beaufort Sea.
    According to ice conditions, the Beaufort Sea is one of the most severe seas of the Arctic Ocean. Ice is present in it constantly throughout the year .... The thickness of flat ice usually slightly exceeds 2 m,


    And do not forget that these are teachings. The task of the teachings is to learn. Today they did not work out very well, they will try again. I didn’t see any concrete examples except for gearing. Question to goggles. And WHEN EXTREMELY Russian boats surfaced in the ice? Given that many of them generally do not go to sea for years? When?
    Do not forget that a negative result is also a result.

    Quote: Monster_Fat
    The next "cheers-patriotic" heading has nothing to do with a real article. If you carefully read the article itself, it says that it "has difficulty" in performing the task, but not about the fact that the boat was "stuck" in the ice. The American publication says that the boat unsuccessfully tried to find wormwood in a given place, then broke ice, but the ice is too thick, the launch pits are closed by people and it is impossible to launch from them. Now they are trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

    Why should many read this? The main thing is to talk about General Frost and polar bears with balalaikas.
    Do Elks have vertical shafts under the Tomahawks? Something too lazy to look for information about this.
    In principle, our first ascent in the 60s sometimes led to the fact that the crew on the hull found blocks of ice. True, ours did not have missiles at all. And then the strategists then searched for either half-hearted ones or pierced the most thin years by special means

    Quote: Altona
    Our Shark (project 941), for example, is specially designed to crack Arctic ice up to 2 meters thick.

    Eugene! But do not forget that "Elk" is not a "Shark." A bridge like Shark will break ice of such a thickness, but a much smaller Los Angeles has problems. But they do teach. And when we last surfaced at the pole ??? or even in the ice ???
    1. +1
      22 March 2018 09: 14
      Yes, the moose has vertical shafts with tomahawks.
  46. +2
    22 March 2018 09: 04
    Quote: sdc_alex
    here for people like you on the site "cons" ..
    Something to answer and object to you - only to feed the troll, and to shut up with minuses - that's it !!!

    sheep sheep, you can only quietly spoil the "minus";)
    on the ESSENCE and the CASE - said, you have one bleating (and leaps - no worse than the Maidan monkeys)
  47. 0
    22 March 2018 09: 07
    what kind of nonsense cue recently shouted that the Russians do not know where theirs pl-so it surfaced in ice
  48. 0
    22 March 2018 09: 07
    Quote: Old26
    Today they did not work out very well, they will try again. I didn’t see any concrete examples except for gearing. Question to goggles. And WHEN EXTREMELY Russian boats surfaced in the ice?

    they all turned out fine
    and here Our NEVER (NEVER !!!) conducted torpedo firing in the Arctic (only with disabled CCHs)
    1. +1
      23 March 2018 07: 59
      Call Lavrov ... Have you ever taken part in any shooting in the Arctic?
      1. +1
        23 March 2018 22: 13
        Quote: annodomene
        Have you ever taken part in any shooting in the Arctic?

        YES
        not under the ice
  49. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 09
    Quote: Old26
    And when we last surfaced at the pole ??? or even in the ice ???

    the question is not in the ascent (etc. "fitness") but in the OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY THERE BASIC WEAPONS PL
    we have with this .OPA FULL!
  50. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 11
    rightly striped, because it’s not said by us: “don’t go into the water without knowing the ford”, especially where no one invited you (the Yankees) ...
  51. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 14
    Quote: Volka
    rightly striped, because it’s not said by us: “don’t go into the water without knowing the ford”, especially where no one invited you (the Yankees) ...

    Bunny, are you completely stupid?
    1. EVERYTHING IS FINE WITH THEM
    2. They ROUTINELY and ROUTINELY do things there that we have NEVER done!
    1. +3
      23 March 2018 08: 01
      Stubborn! Yes, we did this, and more than once. Your humble servant hi took part in such events.
      1. 0
        23 March 2018 22: 17
        Quote: annodomene
        Stubborn! Yes, we did this, and more than once. Your humble servant took part in such events.

        You're lying bunny, you're lying
        and it became numb - see above on “Wormwood” ;)
    2. MMX
      0
      23 March 2018 11: 55
      Quote: 2534M

      .... something we have NEVER done!


      Are you engaged in self-hypnosis or are you trying to unsuccessfully mislead people?
      1. 0
        23 March 2018 22: 20
        Quote: MMX
        Are you engaged in self-hypnosis or are you trying to unsuccessfully mislead people?

        I cited a FACT, but YOU are lying here like a dog
  52. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 15
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    "elks" have vertical shafts with "tomahawks".

    which do not provide for “ice” or “surface” launch
  53. 0
    22 March 2018 09: 16
    I'm not a submariner, but these are the questions that arise. Why are there no chainsaws on nuclear submarines heading to the upper latitudes? Why can't you explode the ice with small charges around the perimeter of the boat?
    1. +1
      23 March 2018 08: 03
      1. Because you need to float up correctly
      2. When even small charges are detonated near the hull, damage to hull structures and various (there are a lot of them, however) outboard C&M plates is possible...
      Something like that.
    2. +1
      24 March 2018 10: 56
      You can start with the fact that RBZh PL (ours) prohibits the storage of gasoline on a ship
      and finish by saying that there are much more effective means (and these are not torpedoes)
  54. +2
    22 March 2018 09: 18
    No, how could this happen? Didn't they know the thickness of the ice? Didn’t know how thick they could penetrate?
    1. +2
      22 March 2018 09: 36
      As far as I know from the literature, the problem of ice in high latitudes is its mobility and the fact that it works like a “spring” due to the enormous compression force in ice fields. This means that the broken ice quickly converges and compresses the object that penetrated it with great force. The Soviet boats that were going to fire missiles from there seemed to be planning to first break the ice with several torpedoes, and then quickly surface into the ice hole for a salvo. Now this doesn’t make much sense - the missiles are so long-range... well, if only the approach time is reduced and the stealth is greater due to the reduction in detection time...
  55. +2
    22 March 2018 09: 20
    Quote: Dashout
    No, how could this happen?

    nothing happened (except for another idiotic media bullshit)
  56. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 30
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Amy came to our pasture, and this is already dangerous ...

    with the real situation - in that “pasture” (in the Arctic) we are in the role of SHEEP (without shepherds) surrounded by WOLVES
    and THESE ARE FACTS

    WE HAVE NEVER HAD TORPEDO FIRING IN THE ARCTIC AT ALL! - NEVER!!!!
  57. +1
    22 March 2018 09: 41
    Quote: Every
    Could you think about it before? Decided to break through the Arctic ice. The Arctic is cold, snow and ice. He does not tolerate negligence. This is not to drive through the deserts of the Papuans.

    Yes, that’s just the point, ice and frost were announced suddenly, like a combat alert, while the ship was heading to the training area! It wasn't there before! It happens!
  58. 0
    22 March 2018 09: 43
    So there is less and less ice in the Arctic Ocean? The ice is melting slowly.
    They are already thinking about sailing caravans along the northern route in the summer.
  59. +2
    22 March 2018 09: 43
    Quote: 2534M
    Quote: Volka
    rightly striped, because it’s not said by us: “don’t go into the water without knowing the ford”, especially where no one invited you (the Yankees) ...

    Bunny, are you completely stupid?
    1. EVERYTHING IS FINE WITH THEM
    2. They ROUTINELY and ROUTINELY do things there that we have NEVER done!

    Come on, come on, Big Gray Wolf, tell us more about the normal situation.
  60. 0
    22 March 2018 09: 45
    Quote: sabakina
    Pryuvetiki Marinochka! Who cares, you can see, like a fresh video.


    Why did this submariner put a harness on himself while under the ice?
    1. +1
      22 March 2018 12: 07
      It's a parachute! belay
  61. +3
    22 March 2018 09: 46
    Quote: 2534M
    WE HAVE NEVER HAD TORPEDO FIRING IN THE ARCTIC AT ALL! - NEVER!!!!

    I will say more, we have not yet conducted torpedo firing in space! Just, shh! Nobody, this is still a military secret!
  62. +1
    22 March 2018 10: 02
    ...there’s no particular joy, I think the Americans are far from being stupid people and they wouldn’t break the ice just like that, a nuclear submarine not adapted for this, but the fact that we had exercises about this, now the Americans are actually doing the same thing. ...he who shoots last laughs best. Submariners, both ours and others, deserve respect, just like other military personnel, our boats and crews died, sailors found themselves in very difficult situations, and I think it is arrogant and stupid to be ironic about this. I wish the Americans to return to their home port without losses, and for ours, if possible, to analyze and take measures to prevent this from happening.
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  64. +1
    22 March 2018 10: 14
    Quote: konstantin68
    Come on, come on, Big Gray Wolf, tell us more about the normal situation.

    come on, BUNNY, you're going to tell your FRIEND in your pants
  65. +1
    22 March 2018 10: 15
    Quote: konstantin68
    I will say more, we have not yet conducted torpedo firing in space! Just, shh! Nobody, this is still a military secret!

    wash away you poor thing, you're dumb as a plug
    1. 0
      22 March 2018 14: 18
      Calm down, foreign troll, the traffic jam is brilliant compared to you!
      1. +1
        23 March 2018 22: 22
        Quote: An60
        Calm down, foreign troll, the traffic jam is brilliant compared to you!

        psaka, your brothers in "mind" are jumping on the Maidan
  66. +1
    22 March 2018 10: 16
    Quote: Corsair0304
    Why did this submariner put a harness on himself while under the ice?

    apparently they are preparing to surface immediately after the shooting
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  68. +1
    22 March 2018 10: 30
    Quote: 76SSSR
    The thickness of the ice, judging by the photographs, is ridiculous. Their submarines are not suitable for the Arctic; they would float in their own “puddle” and would not go where they shouldn’t.

    don’t talk nonsense, it hurts - they came to the Arctic before us and have MUCH more experience
  69. 0
    22 March 2018 10: 34
    Good afternoon, have a nice moment.... Now I’m reading and I understand what great-power “radishes” we are. We were frozen in ice about the exercises and reconnoitred. But using the bins of my memory, I understand that this is not the first time Amer’s submarines are trying to surface from under the ice in the Arctic and again failure. And We Russians manage to make friends with aliens without any other way than Americans......
  70. +2
    22 March 2018 10: 40
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    1. Amov’s ice reconnaissance is not to be seen in the Red Army ...

    no worse than ours for sure
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    2. The ice (for the Arctic), judging by the picture, is thin, up to 0,5 ...

    do not care
    in battle they will not surface there
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    3. Launch silos in the bow. Therefore, you can “dance” and he will “slide” himself.

    you can’t (won’t help) + they won’t be able to shoot like that anyway
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    4. An "advanced nation" could think of explosive-technical methods of cleaning the hull from ice ... And then a "wretched" picks ice floes with a crowbar ...

    they don’t need it (and they have demolition ammunition on board)
    Well, we won’t talk about how “weird” we were about this part
    and what Ts... in this area we had (or BARELY didn’t happen...) - for example, with Katukhin...
    1. +2
      23 March 2018 08: 07
      Judging by your last name, you have some connection with the ...RT(RTM) plane. It’s just not clear in what capacity.
      1. +1
        23 March 2018 22: 28
        Quote: annodomene
        Judging by your last name, you have some connection with the ...RT(RTM) plane. It’s just not clear in what capacity.

        1. to RTMs - only on excursions
        2. Katukhin’s case is simply “under the breath” (by the way, my paragraphs in accordance with the instructions were just for similar situations - I don’t know if this remained in force, because I wrote this in 2006)
        3. Well, Katukhin’s case was cited by me in a non-public document - comment Baranova I.L..: “You pose questions that are just right to shoot!”
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  72. 0
    22 March 2018 12: 05
    The Merikos have a long-standing “love” for ice. At one time, they dug labyrinths in a glacier in Greenland and made a military base. And there was not a single glaciologist who would tell them that glaciers flow like rivers, only slowly. In general, the base was destroyed and the personnel were evacuated. And we see a boat in the ice every year. smile
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    1. 0
      23 March 2018 00: 18
      Not surprising, from the most aggressive nation... And why are you all playing up to the bones? What fetish? Russia, Russia... But in Europe, are weapons allowed there? What about executions? Good people suck.
  74. +2
    22 March 2018 14: 01
    Didn't read the manual. There, probably, operate at ambient temperatures from +10 to +35 degrees.
  75. 0
    22 March 2018 14: 08
    Quote: B.T.W.
    So what holds here where they can’t do anything ?!

    bunny, unlike you - a sofa hamster with ducks, I am doing something (and have already DONE) so that ours COULD
    1. +4
      25 March 2018 03: 55
      Smart, respected by the prof. environment, knowledgeable people do not behave this way. Usually one’s position is explained and the person’s knowledge is assessed according to his merits. You don’t act like a simple officer with your rudeness.

      Be so kind as to introduce yourself (you can via internal mail)! Otherwise, you are nobody, keep scrubbing the latrines.

      If the administration or moderation of the forum (site) continues to fail to act on the rudeness of the participant - catch it from the RKN or the FSB.
      1. +1
        25 March 2018 18: 22
        asv363: Smart, respected by the prof. environment, knowledgeable people do not behave this way.

        Of course, the “smart” (more precisely, CLICK-ASSED) TONGUES in F... PUSH - “how can you say something critical”?!?! after all, “career-C” is “sacred”
        Moreover, even in cases that are CRITICAL for the combat effectiveness of the Russian Navy and Armed Forces

        Usually explains your position

        It is more than explained (as soon as YOU wipe the screen (YOU understand why)) - both in a bunch of tough public articles and non-public documents, both in tough “rubilovs” with scoundrels, and BUSINESS (i.e. what has already been done )
        echoes
        http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1321&a
        mp; p = 11 # p986684
        Everyone evaluates a person's knowledge according to his merits

        Oh yes, a stupid sheep buys a dissertation, and no longer becomes a “dumb sheep” but a “candidate” or “doctor”
        You don’t act like a simple officer with your rudeness.

        As you know for those who go through step 1 (see above), “ohfischers” are those who click their heels and skillfully crunch French rolls
        :)

        Be so kind as to introduce yourself (you can via internal mail)!

        Monsieur, I HAVE PRESSURED, I WILL PRESSURE, and WILL PRESSURE on similar individuals (for obvious reasons, see point 1 above). So YOU ​​better crawl quietly under the baseboard

        Otherwise, you are nobody, keep scrubbing the latrines.

        honey, YOU are the “specialist” in garbage dumps ;)
        If the administration or moderation of the forum (site) continues to fail to act on the rudeness of the participant - catch it from the RKN or the FSB. .

        :) :) :)
        Child, how old are you? :)
        1. +3
          26 March 2018 06: 58
          [quote=2534М][quote]asv363: Smart, respected by the prof. environment, knowledgeable people do not behave this way. [/quote]
          Of course, the “smart” (more precisely, CLICK-ASSED) TONGUES in F... PUSH - “how can you say something critical”?!?! after all, “career-C” is “sacred”
          Moreover, even in cases that are CRITICAL for the combat effectiveness of the Russian Navy and Armed Forces
          [/ Quote]
          I know that there are comrades who were not my comrades and will always be. What do they have to do with me?

          [quote]Usually explains your position[/quote]
          It is more than explained (as soon as YOU wipe the screen (YOU understand why)) - both in a bunch of tough public articles and non-public documents, both in tough “rubilovs” with scoundrels, and BUSINESS (i.e. what has already been done )
          echoes
          http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1321&a
          mp; a
          mp; p = 11 # p986684
          [/ Quote]
          Firstly, I don’t understand what exactly I need to wipe the screen from. Secondly, if you did something for the Navy (and in general for the Armed Forces) of the Russian Federation, great, but your merits do not give you the right to be rude to forum participants. It is enough to state your position 1 (one) time.

          [quote]everyone evaluates a person’s knowledge according to his merits[/quote]
          Oh yes, a stupid sheep buys a dissertation, and no longer becomes a “stupid sheep” but a “candidate” or a “doctor” - I personally didn’t buy anything.
          [quote]You don’t act like a simple officer with your rudeness. [/quote]
          As you know for those who go through step 1 (see above), “ohfischers” are those who click their heels and skillfully crunch French rolls
          :)
          - Have you personally taken many of your two hundred to their wives and parents?
          [quote]Please be so kind as to introduce yourself (you can via internal mail)! [/quote]
          Monsieur, I HAVE PRESSURED, I WILL PRESSURE, and WILL PRESSURE on similar individuals (for obvious reasons, see point 1 above). So YOU ​​better crawl quietly under the baseboard
          - Try it, I won’t dissuade you.
          [quote] Otherwise, you’re nobody, keep scrubbing the latrines.[/quote]
          honey, YOU are the “specialist” in garbage dumps ;)
          - Addressing a peasant in the feminine gender in Rus' is interpreted as addressing a homosexual. In real life, the answer arrives immediately. I don’t know how internet fighters go about this process.
          [quote] If the administration or moderation of the forum (site) continues to fail to act on the rudeness of the participant - catch it from the RKN or the FSB. .[/quote]
          :) :) :)
          Child, how old are you? :)[/quote]
          From 40 to 50. I reported the acceptable range. Enough, lout?
          1. +1
            26 March 2018 10: 53
            Quote: asv363
            What do they have to do with me?

            because YOU are very similar to them
            Quote: asv363
            do not give you the right to be rude to forum participants

            "just like that" I wasn't being rude to ANYONE
            I have a NORMAL conversation with NORMAL people
            with mongrels, yes - a different conversation
            with the “officers” - who joyfully received salary in peacetime, knowing that “thanks to the dear party” it will cover them from the war so that a big and specific bolt can be hammered into the “requirements of the battle” - the same
            Quote: asv363
            - Have you personally taken many of your two hundred to their wives and parents?

            God had mercy (although there were “prerequisites”).
            But it happened with people who corrected my mistakes with their subordinates (including 300 and 200).
            "I've been somewhere and seen something"
            Quote: asv363
            How does this process happen for internet fighters?

            YOU are in the wrong place, I am not the “Internet...”, not a fighter
            Quote: asv363
            From 40 to 50.

            ahhh, I thought 4-5
            Next time you should not complain to the FSB (I was there - and in “extreme circumstances”), but better immediately to the UN or to the Committee for the Protection of Sexual Minorities
            Quote: asv363
            Enough, lout?

            those. DO YOU not notice your rudeness?
            however, YOU yourself chose who YOU ​​are and how they “treat” YOU
  76. 0
    22 March 2018 14: 11
    Quote: 76SSSR
    in the ass YOU, do not try to pull everyone behind you.

    cork, there you sit with your CEREBELLUM
    shoo!
  77. 0
    22 March 2018 14: 12
    Quote: Cetron
    Yours together with Ksyushad were together!

    I don’t know who “yours” are - apparently all sorts of sodomites, but the Americans and the English worked there REGULARLY
    incl. with something we have NEVER DONE
    1. +2
      22 March 2018 14: 20
      Judging by the frequency of your “comments”, you are on a piecework basis with G. Kasparov.
  78. 0
    22 March 2018 14: 46
    Quote: An60
    Judging by the frequency of your “comments”, you are on a piecework basis with G. Kasparov.

    honey, judging by the content of your "comments" you are dumb as a plug
  79. 0
    22 March 2018 18: 43
    General Morozz won here too...
  80. +2
    23 March 2018 07: 43
    Quote: RUSOIVAN
    We have such a device NEL-1M. Navigational echo-meter. They find them.

    Of course I have. But in a combat situation (or during an accident), few people will look at it. If only a navigator, that’s what he’s supposed to do according to his position.
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  83. +1
    23 March 2018 16: 46
    For some reason I remembered.
  84. +1
    25 March 2018 16: 29
    What is this? General Frost again. The knights fell through the ice on Lake Peipus, the French in 1812, the Germans in 1941. AS MANY AS POSSIBLE!!!! There is already global warming, but the Frost still does not recede.