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Rosgvardiya on the protection of schools: how do you idea?

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To prevent incidents with weapons in educational institutions in the State Duma they propose to hand over the guard of schools to the Rosguards and to increase the number of male teachers.




Boris Chernyshov, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science, spoke about possible measures that could be taken to improve the safety of students and teachers.

“On the situation in the Kurgan region, we urge to return to the issue of attracting male teachers to school, this is extremely important. In a family in which the mother grows up a girl alone, there is not enough time and a man who could give the male component of education. The second point is to filter the information. Previously, when someone was offended by a classmate at school, there could be a scuffle or brutal abuse. Now TV channels, the Internet talk about how you can still take out the anger. The third point is connected with the replacement of private security firms and grandmothers, who are sitting on the ground floor, to Rosgvardiyu, which will take control of order in the school, ”RT says the words of the deputy.

Chernyshev also noted the need to improve the skills of school psychologists, and strengthen their work with problem children.

Recall that we are talking about the incident that occurred on March 21 in the school of the Kurgan region. A student of the 7 class brought a pneumatic pistol to the school and fired her classmates out of it, causing minor injuries (abrasions and bruises) to seven of them.

It should be noted that the proposals of Boris Chernyshev are quite unusual. As a rule, in such situations, deputies most often demonstrate indignation, a desire to find "guilty" on whom responsibility can be assigned, and a desire to solve everything in one fell swoop by banning or restricting something.

That is, they show their determination by offering “simple solutions” to a whole complex of very complex problems.

But in this case, the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science shows a completely different approach to the issue, intending to seriously address it, and not depict a vigorous activity.

He absolutely rightly points out that such incidents are the result of serious problems that children and adolescents face in the family and in communication with their peers. And also the fact that the information space surrounding the youth, helpfully throws up destructive, and even frankly suicidal, "ways" to respond to these challenges.

But if working with the worldview of children, with their moral education, as well as changing the aggressive and destructive environment of information, involves long-term programs, then security measures can be implemented quickly.

As Chernyshev pointed out, employees of private security firms who are now guarding Russian schools, as a rule, are not able to prevent bringing weapons into educational buildings, not to mention the ability to stop a forceful breakthrough. So, the involvement of Rosgvardia in the protection of schools (at least in large and medium-sized cities), as well as the installation of means of technical control, including the framework of a metal detector and X-ray scanner bags.

Of course, these measures will not give an absolute guarantee of security, especially since schoolchildren today are threatened not only by classmates who have brought weapons to school.

Numerous cases are known when narcotic substances are distributed directly in educational institutions or near them, when schoolchildren are involved in criminal or extremist communities, are pushed into illegal activities.

Boris Chernyshev correctly noted the need to revitalize the work of school psychologists, who today are absent in many schools, or have insufficient training, and perform their duties too formally.

But the situation is such that the efforts of a psychologist to prevent the unlawful actions of students and possible incidents may not be enough. Obviously, we need full operational work at school. The idea of ​​school district or school inspectors was implemented in a number of Federation Subjects, however, their work was often reduced to coordinating the efforts of schools and territorial bodies of internal affairs. But this is clearly not enough - the “school inspector,” or, say, the “deputy director for the regime”, should be as informed as possible about everything that happens in the school — who is the informal leader, who is unfavorable, and who has problems.

It should be noted that in our time, due to the existence of social networks, the collection of this kind of information is not too complicated. In addition, constant contact with all teachers can be a great help in this.

This work can be carried out by retired staff of operational services who have received certain pedagogical training.

Returning to the problem of the actual “school shootings”, one can recall the old truth that “it is not the weapons that kill, but the people”. The actions of the majority of “school shooters,” including the Kurgan seventh grader, show that they did not fully understand what they were doing, what weapons they were, and what would follow.

In this regard, we can recall the completely correct experience of Soviet education, when schoolchildren brought up what is called "weapon culture." Pupils got acquainted with weapons and the rules of handling them in the classes of elementary military training and in rifle circles. Pneumatic, and even small-caliber shooting ranges were in most educational institutions.

In the school where I was studying, there was no shooting gallery, but the class of the NVP was reequipped - the desks were shifted, an improvised bullet catcher was installed, and we shot at paper targets. I would note that we treated the “brittle breaks” with full seriousness, like real weapons.

As for the position of Boris Chernyshev, it is very important that he in no way connects this problem with the issue of arms trafficking, to which some of our legislators are inclined. Such an approach does not at all contribute to the problem of its solution, since it is an attempt to “search not where it is lost, but where it is brighter”.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 23 March 2018 05: 01
    +4
    For the money that they pay at school .... Guys will not go ... And we need a school psychologist ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 23 March 2018 05: 22
      +27
      Yes, all this is nonsense ... protection from men ... Rosguard ... all sorts of security frames in schools.
      Maybe all the same, an ordinary family in Russia needs to be addressed ... to raise the prestige of father and mother in raising children.
      All attempts to destroy the main cell of our society ... the family must be nipped in the bud in our country.
      After all, it is in her in the child that all moral brakes from the wrong actions are laid ... only dad and mother can put into the depths of the soul of the child what is good and what is evil.
      Now I am worried about numerous attempts, including in our Duma to initiate the adoption of laws leading to the destruction of the foundations of the family ... can it be that, using the example of the West, we can’t see what kind of abyss they are morally rolling and we are following them with a trailer following their European values ​​.. There is no way to prevent this.
      As for weapons in schools ... in my opinion, in schools, they didn’t explain to children about responsibility for their actions at school ... you have to grind into the heads of the kids from the first grade that killing is bad ... stealing is bad ... cheating is bad and they will punish you for that necessarily not only the one who did it but also his parents.
      The disproportionate punishment for misconduct is what corrupts children and their children without tower parents.
      1. Deck
        Deck 23 March 2018 06: 06
        +10
        As for weapons in schools ... in my opinion, in schools, they didn’t explain to children about responsibility for their actions at school ... you have to grind into the heads of the kids from the first grade that killing is bad ... stealing is bad ... cheating is bad and they will punish you for that necessarily not only the one who did it but also his parents.


        In the Soviet school there were no pneumatic pistols (there simply weren’t any at all), but there were arsons, guns, diggers in stock. Just the Soviet explosives could not profitably monetize this phenomenon.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 23 March 2018 06: 10
          +9
          but there were arson, samopaly, kopanks in stock.

          He himself went through this but not at school but on the street ... and never in his thoughts was it in the classroom to attack anyone with weapons ...
          about times oh people. what
          1. 210ox
            210ox 23 March 2018 06: 55
            +2
            Alexey hi Well, there is one cardinal decision .. In general, schools should be closed ... For they turned into a lecture hall. There are a lot of testers, methodologists, "parcharchies" from different "institutes" over one teacher ... There’s no one to teach .. Joke. what
            Quote: The same Lech
            but there were arson, samopaly, kopanks in stock.

            He himself went through this but not at school but on the street ... and never in his thoughts was it in the classroom to attack anyone with weapons ...
            about times oh people. what
            1. alex-cn
              alex-cn 23 March 2018 07: 43
              +8
              Not a joke! I have often heard from teachers that any reporting takes time, almost more than preparing for lessons.
              1. Deck
                Deck 23 March 2018 07: 47
                +7
                all reporting takes time almost more than preparing for lessons

                More than the lessons themselves. I see this every night in the family.
              2. 210ox
                210ox 23 March 2018 08: 26
                +2
                The joke is that schools should be closed .. And so I myself see that the School is tryndets ...
                Quote: alex-cn
                Not a joke! I have often heard from teachers that any reporting takes time, almost more than preparing for lessons.
        2. alstr
          alstr 23 March 2018 10: 58
          +1
          As for the pistols, you got excited. Himself in childhood shot such a thing from them. In schools they were not (only rifles), but in rifle circles and shooting ranges were. They were made on the basis of IZH-22 and IZH-38.
        3. Geronimo73
          Geronimo73 23 March 2018 11: 57
          +5
          in Soviet schools, in the NVP classrooms there were small things and pneumatic pistols ... moreover, until the 70s hunting weapons were sold in ordinary stores without any permits
          1. your1970
            your1970 23 March 2018 12: 48
            0
            Quote: Geronimo73
            in Soviet schools in the NVP classrooms there were small things and pneumatic pistols
            - we had small puppets TOZ, Margolins (4 pieces for competitions), air jets for biathlon (first we ran for a while on skis - and then we shot in turn at home-made vanka-vstanki: swung with a break-off)
            Then they took the Margolins (in general), then they began to hand over and receive TOZki to the draft board
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 March 2018 07: 19
        +6
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        can it be seen from the West as an example of the abyss they are rolling

        They all see, they just have such goals. In the meantime, we are being trained by the method of “Overton's Windows,” moving the juvenile forward forward.
      3. free
        free 23 March 2018 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        Yes, all this is nonsense ... protection from men ... Rosguard ... all sorts of security frames in schools.
        Maybe all the same, an ordinary family in Russia needs to be addressed ... to raise the prestige of father and mother in raising children.
        All attempts to destroy the main cell of our society ... the family must be nipped in the bud in our country.
        After all, it is in her in the child that all moral brakes from the wrong actions are laid ... only dad and mother can put into the depths of the soul of the child what is good and what is evil.
        Now I am worried about numerous attempts, including in our Duma to initiate the adoption of laws leading to the destruction of the foundations of the family ... can it be that, using the example of the West, we can’t see what kind of abyss they are morally rolling and we are following them with a trailer following their European values ​​.. There is no way to prevent this.
        As for weapons in schools ... in my opinion, in schools, they didn’t explain to children about responsibility for their actions at school ... you have to grind into the heads of the kids from the first grade that killing is bad ... stealing is bad ... cheating is bad and they will punish you for that necessarily not only the one who did it but also his parents.
        The disproportionate punishment for misconduct is what corrupts children and their children without tower parents.

        Right write Alex, for whom did you vote?
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 24 March 2018 03: 30
          0
          Free, you would be banned for the flood.
          1. free
            free 25 March 2018 08: 13
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            Free, you would be banned for the flood.

            I don’t even know what flood is, but it’s not up to you to ban or not.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 25 March 2018 08: 16
              +4
              Quote: free
              I don’t even know what flood is

              Read the site rules ... sometimes it helps:
              c) Flood, comments not related to the subject of the article

              Flood (from incorrectly spoken [1] English flood - flooding, flooding) - messages in Internet forums and chat rooms, which occupy large volumes and do not carry any useful information. Normal flood messages - sending a large number of messages of the same type. Flood spreads as a result of excess free time, and with the aim of trolling - for example, out of a desire to annoy someone.
              1. free
                free 25 March 2018 08: 30
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: free
                I don’t even know what flood is

                Read the site rules ... sometimes it helps:
                c) Flood, comments not related to the subject of the article

                Flood (from incorrectly spoken [1] English flood - flooding, flooding) - messages in Internet forums and chat rooms, which occupy large volumes and do not carry any useful information. Normal flood messages - sending a large number of messages of the same type. Flood spreads as a result of excess free time, and with the aim of trolling - for example, out of a desire to annoy someone.

                What is stopping you? Contact the administration with a request to ban me, and I will ask Comrades to support me!
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 25 March 2018 08: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: free
                  Contact the administration to ban me

                  Do I need it? You are me ... me on you ... you are bright violet to me, here laughing
                  But the rules are still worth knowing ... and follow - too yes
                  1. free
                    free 25 March 2018 09: 38
                    +2
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: free
                    Contact the administration to ban me

                    Do I need it? You are me ... me on you ... you are bright violet to me, here laughing
                    But the rules are still worth knowing ... and follow - too yes

                    So what do you then get into a skirmish? Don't you care?
              2. RaptorF22
                RaptorF22 25 March 2018 09: 39
                0
                And where did you see the flood, he essentially wrote everything and he is not the only one who thinks
      4. Alex 2016
        Alex 2016 23 March 2018 17: 00
        +1
        I completely agree with you and support!
      5. freddyk
        freddyk 24 March 2018 17: 54
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The disproportionate punishment for misconduct is what corrupts children and their children without tower parents.


        And she also greatly intimidated teachers who did not have any leverage over students. All conflicts are resolved in favor of “one child” and this greatly discouraged the teacher from engaging in education. In fact, they have the right only to provide educational services.
    2. raw174
      raw174 23 March 2018 08: 41
      +5
      Quote: Vard
      For the money that they pay at school .... Guys will not go ...

      Now the average teacher gets about 30 thousand clean. In our region, this is quite good, plus a communal apartment is 100% compensated to them in the village, and this is another 5-7 thousand in the winter months ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 March 2018 13: 06
        +7
        Not an "average teacher", but worked for at least eight years. And worked for the number of hours, has served the authorities .... But there are schools where you just dreamed about it .. In the same villages ..
        Quote: raw174
        Quote: Vard
        For the money that they pay at school .... Guys will not go ...

        Now the average teacher gets about 30 thousand clean. In our region, this is quite good, plus a communal apartment is 100% compensated to them in the village, and this is another 5-7 thousand in the winter months ...
        1. raw174
          raw174 23 March 2018 13: 47
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          And there are schools where this is just a dream .. In the same villages ..

          I live in a village. I have a relative for the first year, after the institute has been working, the school has a little more than 100 students, s / n 24 thousand + communal Works full time, immediately gave a cool guide. Agree, it’s not bad ... In the evenings with men we are going to school, playing volleyball. There are 4 teachers in our company (3 physical education students and 1 physicist), they worked for 7-10 years, 30-33 years each, but they have a school of about 400 people.
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 24 March 2018 18: 14
        +2
        30 thousand !!! ?? ... And where is the Eldorado ?? ...
        1. raw174
          raw174 26 March 2018 06: 24
          +1
          Quote: samarin1969
          30 thousand !!! ?? ... And where is the Eldorado ?? ...

          At school ... Go, take an interest)))
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 26 March 2018 06: 29
            0
            At my school, dear raw174, such money happens very rarely. I’m going to work, I’m interested in it. wink
            1. raw174
              raw174 26 March 2018 13: 30
              +2
              Quote: samarin1969
              In my school,

              Apparently the stimulants in your school pass you by ... This problem we had, about a year and a half ago, in one of the schools. Then 40 percent of the stimulating people settled in the pockets of 3-5 people. There was a complaint to the education department, after the verification the director was changed, now there is silence ...
  2. fa2998
    fa2998 23 March 2018 05: 03
    +10
    Are local police forces not enough? Or is it more profitable for her to "supervise" the business, moonshiners, etc. Of course you need to leave the elderly guards, they do not decide anything, just pump money from their parents (and this is a thousand rubles for one school). And the Russian Guard in each city and village barracks to build? Or deliver by helicopter? lol
    I think you need to start with raising children. hi
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 March 2018 07: 20
      +6
      Quote: fa2998
      moonshiners

      Do not touch the moonshiners - for yourself, by law, you can drive! bully
    2. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 23 March 2018 18: 59
      +1
      Are local police forces not enough?
      Police officers working with the local police, patrolmen, traveling to incidents were shortened or loaded with additional work. It’s just not possible to call the same police officer, and you won’t be able to wait for the arrival of the “alarm group.” We were attacked by an inadequate staff with an ax and arrived almost an hour after call.
      1. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 25 March 2018 09: 44
        +1
        Here's another and self-defense, too, a fiction cop banned
    3. Cadet
      Cadet 23 March 2018 20: 40
      +4
      At our place, the ROSGUARD can sometimes not decide by itself what standards the CWC should comply with, each colonel or major sees everything in its light, until the CWC handed it to them for signature, the head nearly seized a heart attack, the rules can change several times a day. About other orders and requirements it is better to keep silent.
    4. raw174
      raw174 26 March 2018 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      Are local police forces not enough?

      And what kind of forces do the police have? On the ground, only the district police officer and the traffic police, or can an opera with a tracker be planted, or an IVS? And there is nobody else there ...
      Quote: fa2998
      And to build barracks in every city and village of the Russian Guard?

      And the Rosguard is in every municipality! Private security is called and they guard, under the contract. Their price tag is higher than ChOPovsky, but the equipment and training are better. For school, ruin ...
      Quote: fa2998
      I think you need to start with raising children.

      Right! This is the point!
  3. bald
    bald 23 March 2018 05: 22
    +2
    There were not enough terminators at school. For each school - the approach is individual - and the director bears responsibility.
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 March 2018 06: 52
      +2
      Quote: bald
      There were not enough terminators at school.

      It is somehow forgotten that the good old VOHR, now the structure of the Russian Guard, and this is the FSUE “Protection of the Russian Guard”. And we get instead of the terminators ... quite a few such normal "watchmen"

      1. bald
        bald 23 March 2018 07: 13
        +4
        It is clear that someone should be on the watch (in our time, technicals with pioneers). After all, the actual situation in schools has not changed, taking into account progress. Each of us has extraordinary cases in our memory, although the control of technicians, and of assistants, is on each floor. If they want to carry something, they will carry it. And there are so many psychologists - yes there are so many at school - how many objects, and so to speak from God, there are only a few of them. And whether the VOKhRovets weapon will be used against a student who has gone off the coils is the same question.
        1. vfwfr
          vfwfr 23 March 2018 23: 27
          +1
          "" "
          Quote: bald
          And whether the VOKhRovets weapon will be used against a student who has gone off the coils is the same question.
          "" "
          Yes, he’ll just get it out of the holster, not to mention that the cartridge has been sent to the barrel ... YouTube .. the prosecutor’s office ... hemorrhoids ...........
      2. Deck
        Deck 23 March 2018 07: 30
        +1
        It is somehow forgotten that the good old VOHR, now the structure of the Russian Guard, and this is the FSUE “Protection of the Russian Guard”. And we get instead of the terminators ... quite a few such normal "watchmen"


        Only for completely different money. Business is nothing personal
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 March 2018 07: 32
          0
          Quote: Deck
          Only for completely different money. Business is nothing personal

          And here the state should solve the issue, financial issues of two state structures.
          1. Deck
            Deck 23 March 2018 08: 13
            +1
            The State Rosgvardia slammed the State FSUE special communications and, as a result, State hospitals cannot get painkillers.
  4. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 23 March 2018 05: 31
    +7
    Maybe it's better to use the FSIN? Their mouse will not slip.
    1. Deck
      Deck 23 March 2018 05: 54
      +6
      I agree, it is necessary from childhood to accustom to the future adulthood and the rules of the routine!
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 23 March 2018 06: 09
      +5
      With humor, our people are all right! lol hi
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 23 March 2018 08: 35
      +7
      Haha Yes, colleague, everything is in order with humor. FSIN will require a closed perimeter. laughing
      1. your1970
        your1970 23 March 2018 12: 51
        +8
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Haha Yes, colleague, everything is in order with humor. FSIN will require a closed perimeter. laughing
        - and a date with parents 2 times a year
    4. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 23 March 2018 19: 54
      +2
      the campaign of the school and so soon they will pass to the FSIN ... a trend ...
  5. Deck
    Deck 23 March 2018 06: 01
    +10
    Well done deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science Boris Chernyshov. Admonished, will receive a prize from the Russian Guard. And the guards are good grandmothers for the maintenance of healthy foreheads-loafers, an increase in staff, positions and ranks
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 March 2018 06: 21
    +4
    Actually cynical law enforcement officers will not take this work seriously. Teachers will smoke and poison the jokes. Rosguard is a very expensive product to prepare .... The solution would be a tough specialized security structure independent of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Education.
    The prospect of meeting a knife, a bullet or drugs at school - this becomes a frequent occurrence. It is necessary to toughen punishments for parents and adolescents. This will increase child control and responsibility. He brought a trunk to school - a fine on parents up to 500 thousand or a labor colony, or confiscation of housing. The same should be true for teenage scary fights. The state has generally withdrawn from these issues.
    1. your1970
      your1970 23 March 2018 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The same should be true for teenage scary fights. The state has generally withdrawn from these issues.
      - open Lev Kassil "Conduit and Swab"
      (quiet peaceful times of tsarism !!) -
      "It is difficult, almost impossible to describe everything that was going on in the Pokrovskaya gymnasium. They fought constantly. They fought in pairs and classy. They tear off the overcoat floors completely. They broke fingers on other people's cheekbones. They fought with skates, satchels, pigs, broke skulls. High school students (oh, these ruling classes!) Fought with us, first graders. They used to take small by the legs and beat each other with our heads. However, there were such first-graders that the healthiest eighth-graders ran from them.
      They rarely beat me: they were afraid to kill me. I was very small. Still, three times I accidentally wallowed unconscious.
      On the wastelands played a special "football" inverted telegraph poles and pedestals. The pillar on to was kicked over the enemy line. Often the pillar rolled on fallen players, crushing them and crippling.
      High school students stole in the market, fought with boys in all the streets. Beat the city belay belay belay . "is the question of the attitude of power

      they didn’t write much about fights in schools during the USSR - but they were
      Your suggestions?
      Quote: samarin1969
      Rosguard is a very expensive product to prepare .... The solution would be a tough specialized security structure independent of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Education.
      "And you think that this private security company will be cheaper than the current ones or better prepared? It will be cheaper than the Rosguard? Who will be recruited there? Former military? So they won’t go to work for 10, but pay more will go to the level of the Russian Guard or even more
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 March 2018 06: 35
    +5
    transfer protection to schools of the Russian Guard and increase the number of male teachers
    With Rosguardia it is clear - they will give an order and it will remain to fulfill it. But how will glorious deputies increase the number of male teachers? Will they be cloning?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 March 2018 07: 22
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But how will glorious deputies increase the number of male teachers?

      S \ n and the introduction of male subjects, such as NVP.
  8. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 23 March 2018 07: 15
    0
    Not only to guard, but also to teach! Lessons of survival, Timur movement, orientation, physical education!
    1. Angina
      Angina 27 March 2018 08: 50
      0
      Somehow, after the end of the rafting season, I went to school to offer a free travel club. Unfortunately, the case ended in “nothing”: a mountain of reporting, a lack of teacher education, and maybe officials in the district did not like it. Moreover, already at that time he was a university teacher. And the travel information was ... Not everything is so smooth. We have a lot of formalized approach in the school system. The university also has enough formalities, then by the second year there are almost all adults.
  9. brom
    brom 23 March 2018 07: 45
    +11
    Fidget around the perimeter, entrance frames, rooms for a complete change of clothes, a total inspection every hour, hour at each class and a tank in the yard. Give insanity!
  10. Jerk
    Jerk 23 March 2018 07: 57
    +5
    Let me explain a simple thing: in the case of a serious mess, the guard post will not save, it does not matter if Baba Katya is sitting there or a couple of astronauts. Further, there is such a thing - since the Russian Guard is inevitable rotation, and this means that cormorants are sitting at the entrance, who do not know, for example, that a down brother can come to this student, or, for example, this girl always gets a bunch of relatives " Tsil’s palms did not catch a cold, walking two meters to the house. " He would rotate such a thing that rotated at the very first working day, just when the pioneers entered the school - so that it would take away its trunk, armor and he could pull on his head.
    In short - a stupid undertaking
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 March 2018 08: 10
    +5
    Good decision! Still need to return to school rod. Fence around the perimeter with barbed wire, put towers and gallows. I do not understand why driving the blizzard becomes a prerequisite for being in power.
    Why hooliganism in Soviet schools was an emergency, and now, by the way, male teachers are beaten.
    Can we do some culture all over the country?
    1. alstr
      alstr 23 March 2018 11: 03
      0
      And in our time they beat. I remember one of the senior pupils doing physical education (the truth was for what).
  12. Beholder
    Beholder 23 March 2018 08: 11
    +11
    Quote: brom
    Fidget around the perimeter, entrance frames, rooms for a complete change of clothes, a total inspection every hour, hour at each class and a tank in the yard. Give insanity!


    The USSR is a closed border and free movement within. The Russian Federation - an open border and two-meter fences of parks, closed "elite" villages, "security" in every store, school ...
    PS naive? - but a fact!
    1. your1970
      your1970 23 March 2018 13: 36
      +3
      Quote: Beholder
      Quote: brom
      Fidget around the perimeter, entrance frames, rooms for a complete change of clothes, a total inspection every hour, hour at each class and a tank in the yard. Give insanity!


      The USSR is a closed border and free movement within. The Russian Federation - an open border and two-meter fences of parks, closed "elite" villages, "security" in every store, school ...
      PS naive? - but a fact!
      everything is very simple
      Everyone (I repeat, EVERYONE !!!) had everything the same - a polished wall, Change-8M, 3 crystal vases in the wall, a carpet in the hall on the wall, a crystal ashtray, GDRovsky decanter-Fish, books ...
      The top of envy is “Lada Lux” (it is also “troika”), the Volga were not envied - “they will come anyway!”
      And this equality of all made the theft of children meaningless, for example ..
      It has long been proven that children walk on the streets without any restrictions on place and time - either in countries that are absolutely poor or in countries with the most widespread middle class (as in the USSR, Iceland, etc.) ...
  13. raw174
    raw174 23 March 2018 09: 23
    +1
    The Russian Guard for the protection of schools is prohibitively expensive, the price tag is high, but they work better than the private security company. There is a government decree of October 7, 2017, which regulates the procedure for protecting schools by categories, it is quite sufficient for itself (there are nuances by methods), everything is written there.
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 March 2018 09: 23
    0
    School precinct? Why not? And the employees of the private security company in his management. But the salary ... Although pensioners, maybe they will. Now almost every hotel, sanatorium has security officers, and not just security guards.
  15. 1536
    1536 23 March 2018 10: 47
    +1
    Let the guards let the schools guard - this is a great idea. And part-time they can teach at school. For example, physical education or NVP. Yes, and many chemistry, I think, will also be pulled better than whistles-graduates of the so-called pedagogical universities. And the extra money will be quite legal for the guys.
    1. Angina
      Angina 27 March 2018 08: 53
      0
      They do not have pedagogical education. The papers will not even go to a tourist club. I tried it.
  16. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 23 March 2018 10: 51
    0
    In the photo on the guardsman there is a walkie-talkie - a fake Chinese "Kenwood" TH-F5 for about 2500 rubles, they buy it for their money, because the radios that are allocated to them are bullshit full. We have guardsmen, warriors who buy their own Chinese radios, who do not want to remain without a connection.
    1. vfwfr
      vfwfr 24 March 2018 00: 03
      +1
      1. Well, why .. there is no secret information on it .. You can flip the code for a different cipher (voice transfer) for a different code.
      1.2 There is no such money to overpay for "there are no analogues in the world" ...
      2. And in the computer science cabinet, imported computers with the "Probable Adversary" operating system ...
  17. would
    would 23 March 2018 11: 10
    +3
    Well, in general, as always, instead of a solution, they propose once again to tighten the nuts and it is not clear how.

    Increase the number of male teachers? How is this? A compulsory service as a teacher at school or something to introduce? lol Right now there are no prohibitions on a man being a teacher, but there are few who want to put it mildly. We must start with the fact that the prestige of the teaching profession is extremely and extremely low, and pedagogical schools are even lower. Pedagogical schools turned into sedimentation tanks for those who follow the crust and have long been saying "no mind, go to the ped!". And after receiving the crusts, they go to managers or somewhere else, but almost never to school. In addition, mostly women study in peda. That is, there are so few, and all smart ones have gone to other universities and other specialties that are much more money and prestigious.

    Oh well. Well, let's take a guy who weaned in peda and went to school. What will he face? With a low salary, a very heavy load, all these children (in the bad sense of the word), and like a cherry on a cake there will be a typical womanish team with an aggressive woman. Personally, a former young teacher told me that it’s only because of a woman that one can leave.

    That is, without changing the system, literally starting from pedagogical schools (or what are they now called?), Men in schools will be the same as now, that is, almost zero. But even assuming that someone will go to me it is not clear how he will affect such situations. Breast that rush? I, as an honest man, honestly declaring that I would not even personally rush to breast at least a high school student’s knife. I am sure that many, too, and this is correct, in order to deprive weapons and twist need skills. And then the teacher ....

    And if the teacher is not there? What then?

    In the family in which the mother raises the girl alone, there is not enough time for a man who could give a male component of education.


    There is no upbringing at school in view of the way the system works.

    Rosguard? And how will it be qualitatively different from the current "furniture" sitting on the ground floor behind scanwords? And where to get the money for it? Armed and professional security, as it should be, is an extremely expensive and complex project. Introducing it in all schools is not even a country, but at least large cities of the country is impossible with the current level of spending. As the metro actually proves, where no one reacts to the ringing of metal detectors, there was not enough money to ensure a full pass for citizens.

    Well, it’s worth separately to note that the author wrote

    . The actions of most of the “school shooters,” including the seventh graders in Kurgan, show that they did not quite understand what they were doing, what weapons were, and what would follow.


    That is, the arrows at Columbine did not understand that they were going to go to shoot people? Maybe all the other American shooters did not understand that they were looking for weapons and were going to kill, and as a result they came and killed?
  18. alstr
    alstr 23 March 2018 11: 43
    +9
    In fact, an attempt to remove from school everything that is not related to education ends sadly.
    They bring food now - get massive poisoning, and before, parents of children often worked in the school cafeteria and, accordingly, cooked it.
    Medicine has now been sent to the clinic - get death in the classroom.
    And so on.

    As for security, the Rosguard will not help. More precisely, the presence of an employee of the Russian National Guard will allow LAWY to use force to suppress illegal actions.

    For those who do not know, only employees of law enforcement agencies can use force (without self-defense) to expel them from the territory, but security guards cannot (they can only call a police squad).

    Otherwise, the employee of the Russian Guard is no better.

    If you take a specific case, the girl shot here and I have a modest question, but what will a male employee search the girl or vice versa? Or will we enter the school like at the airport? And where to place all this equipment (in some schools there is simply no physical place for this)?

    There are a lot of questions.
    But the fact that the school must have appropriate specialists is necessary. In addition, there is some indifference of the supervising employees from different departments. And if RANO reacts to signals somehow, then the same siloviki wave it off.
    I will give an example. At the beginning of the year, I bought vests and flags for trips to various events for the class. I suggested that the teacher invite the traffic police officer who oversees our school to conduct a lesson on the rules for the movement of hiking groups on the roads. And what? We do not have a plan. I had to conduct a lesson myself - the benefit was taught in a Soviet school - it only refreshed the last subtleties.

    And this - “We do not have a plan” is the main problem.
    Therefore, the main problem is the indifference of ordinary performers.

    PS By the way, many issues related to weapons can be solved with weapons, i.e. Let’s shoot, disassemble and just teach to use even ordinary pneumatics.

    ZYY The inculcation of responsibility and independence is another problem of our society. For some reason, it is believed that schoolchildren are irresponsible creatures and cannot be trusted. But responsibility is generated only by responsibility. And about independence too. No no.

    Let's just remember that 30 years ago a school-age child calmly went to the store and bought everything he needed. I went to the cinema and circles on my own. Now leave where the child is - get the article leaving the child in danger. Especially funny - it looks if an accident happened in your own home.
  19. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 23 March 2018 13: 08
    +1
    A cool idea, to rub against a trained bull in a bulletproof vest with a gun is like hammering into a wall, especially if the guardsmen work together in a pair.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 24 March 2018 00: 21
      +1
      Yeah, in each class a couple of guards. They’ll cut themselves in seca under a school desk in Kamchatka and drink vodka. Lafa. And who is younger, also write notes to high school students. laughing
  20. vik669
    vik669 23 March 2018 13: 45
    +1
    Protect from whom? The guards are then taken as dirt but FROM WHO ???
  21. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 23 March 2018 16: 19
    0
    Is it to be torn by the Russian Guard? Security issues have long been resolved in various, self-respecting offices, by creating security services. This is the deputy. security director with a wide and honest range of powers, with the supervision of employees of the private security company, with the involvement of high school students and teachers in the DND, and operational activities among students and much more! And with a salary at the level of deputy, and not by the residual principle! And such a vertical should be built from the ministry to the very bottom. In general, this People’s Deputy would have to go down from Olympus and go to the nearest bank to their security guard, or a trading network, for example. They would quickly chew it all. Moreover, such projects have already been launched in some universities and colleges of the Ministry of Education. One must be friends with the earth!
  22. Old military officer
    Old military officer 23 March 2018 16: 29
    +6
    In general, they survived. It is good that at least someone and even in this form have thoughts about safety at school. But ... this problem is so multifaceted that the introduction of commissioners of the Rosguard in the school will pull a whole ball and not only organizational problems, believe the specialist. I am a teacher by education and even in the second generation. That's right, men are needed at school. Men need to support a family. Therefore, a decent salary. But she does not solve anything. We need professional selection of people who can be entrusted with working with children, and this is one of the most important, if not the most important direction of the state’s work and it is not limited to school. The article briefly mentions a worldview. What kind of worldview can we talk about if the media pours on the heads of children and adolescents anything from religions to sexual perversions, fencing themselves off with responsibility notifications like 6+, 16+, etc. We need a harmonious ideology, but not a church one, it has compromised itself, nationwide. Officials must not be allowed to manage education. Their business is to create the working conditions of the teacher and children and provide them. We need a single program for all schools in basic subjects and an opportunity for the student to engage in the discipline that he likes and is most suitable for. There are no incapable children in a normal school; there are incapable or indifferent teachers. And to teach children safety rules when handling weapons is not so difficult. And, it’s not funny, you need to start with the training to walk in order, in pairs, i.e. elementary discipline. And these are just hints. A lot of work. Return to the classics, to the pillars of pedagogy, whose principles have been tested by time and domestic too. No Bologna systems, this is death, Oh, so much has accumulated in everything, but the topic is vital and extremely vital.
    1. AleBors
      AleBors 23 March 2018 17: 37
      0
      Have you tried to do something yourself?
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  24. Palagecha
    Palagecha 23 March 2018 18: 33
    +2
    And they won’t come up with anything just to do nothing! And so and so ... About pre-school, school institutions, everything is elementary! The perimeter is guarded by border guards, customs at the entrances. Inside the school police department with the teaching staff, an officer of the FSB, the Ministry of Emergencies and if the institution is a large unit of the school Russian Guard. If necessary, taking into account the number of students, the school district OMON and the school anti-terror unit. Reliably, people at work and the problem is solved. soldier
  25. Alf
    Alf 23 March 2018 18: 39
    +1
    the State Duma proposes to transfer the protection of schools of the Russian Guard and increase the number of male teachers.

    Do you think that teachers in the State Duma will not increase their salaries? So that men go to school?
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 23 March 2018 20: 01
      +2
      men to school? - Nah- men go to Gazprom :) as the president’s nephew :)
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 24 March 2018 00: 11
        +1
        By the way, here we have a lot of lively pensioners, and simple heroes with a fifth column and the State Department who are ready to join the battle even today, so that you can attract them to educate minors .. At least, the country will benefit, otherwise you can only write!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 24 March 2018 00: 31
          0
          Yeah, and bring up the sixth column. wink
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 24 March 2018 17: 47
      +1
      Quote: Alf
      Do you think that teachers in the State Duma will not increase their salaries? So that men go to school?


      Why raise your salary. "The teacher is a vocation. If you want to earn money - go to business"
      Source - Medvedev's Quote.
  26. Severok
    Severok 23 March 2018 22: 47
    0
    And I propose to transfer the function of monetary support of deputies to the system "pasture" without the right to earn extra money on the side. For a bribe or part-time deputy deprive the status and all payments, especially social. Yes, I also propose to transfer the function of medical support to the deputy corps of the Russian Federation and constituent entities of the Russian Federation to our 4th clinic, Murmansk.
    Maybe then these scoundrels will start to do business?
  27. vfwfr
    vfwfr 23 March 2018 23: 48
    0
    It’s difficult to isolate something from the context .. but maybe this is the answer ... why:
    1. M teachers are needed not only (vizruks, Trudoviks, NVP-Schnicks)
    2. The perception of M and F on the assimilation of the subject ... teacher ...
    3. When everything is at work .. and there will be no time to fight .. although now both schools and students are overloaded .. this is a fact
    And so that it was less to remove the EG ... (Officials as always .. The American EG test to identify downs .. they are used as a regular state exam ..)
    For a discussion from start to finish, see here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-zOW7sG7sI&l
    c=z23bdlqrszzzh1rq004t1aokg3igktrvh4s2dc5suaacrk0
    h00410
  28. vfwfr
    vfwfr 24 March 2018 00: 05
    0
    Rosgvardeytsy let schools guard over the CRP. ACCOUNT - this is a great idea !!!
  29. vfwfr
    vfwfr 24 March 2018 00: 14
    +2
    1. From 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. in the bronics at school .. you yourself, then a couple of hours, then stand up against the wall at least ...
    2. A mass congestion of non-adults who understand but UNKNOWLEDGE their deeds ...
    2.1 That 7-year-old schoolgirl with dad (s. Lavrov).
    2.2 A group of teenagers in a crowd trying to steal a barrel, or without a crowd but with a spray of pepper ...
    In the reality of the world today, with open stupid media and YouTube ... everything is possible .. corny for an argument or for the "joke" of these same students ..
  30. Civilian
    Civilian 24 March 2018 07: 44
    +3
    So the involvement in the protection of schools (at least in large and medium-sized cities) of the Russian Guard, as well as the installation of technical controls, including the scope of a metal detector and an X-ray bag scanner. fool
    No. This will not be enough. I suggest pulling up armored vehicles, and covering with a pair of KA-52 from above.
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 24 March 2018 17: 43
      +1
      Laughter, laughter, but soon I will not be surprised at the armored personnel carrier at school. Everything goes to that.
      1. Civilian
        Civilian 24 March 2018 18: 01
        +3
        My granddaughter at school, at the entrance, a bullshit is standing, with me growing upstairs telly. Sensibly done, sensibly established, one can only guess about the cost. For three years, never! Not seen in the on state! request
        The grandson has something similar in the garden, working without a break. You attach the card, they inform you joyfully "Your Vasya is in the kindergarten" THANKS, damn it! And I thought he went to the girls! Also probably this "informant" is worth mulen pieces of paper.
        The most mysterious thing is how I manage to take and leave children without these cards and penetration codes for the guarded “object” lol
  31. naidas
    naidas 24 March 2018 12: 32
    +4
    remove juvenile justice from children, remove the permissiveness of students, force respect for adults, introduce labor (cooking).
    1. Wilderness
      Wilderness 24 March 2018 18: 06
      +1
      I completely agree, I’ll add from myself: to tighten discipline, expulsion from school (if you don’t want to study, do not bother others), increase the punishment of parents for insufficient motivation to study, remove the commercialization of schools, throw out all the rubbish stuffed there in recent years (algebra \ geometry, Russian language / literature / geography, physics / chemistry / biology, labor training / physical education - everything else is overboard).
      In general, the Russian Guard is turning into some kind of monster (((
  32. Awaz
    Awaz 24 March 2018 20: 30
    +2
    no Rosguard will save from idiots. they also will not save from a planned attack on the school. First of all, these are the problems of children and parents, that is, their relationships and methods of education. But, in our youth years, which only the schools didn’t like to do and the scarecrows wore and threw explosive pins from English pins and bomb packages (made of magnesium and potassium permanganate) fell and didn’t make any of this hysteria. Caught if - cruelly different disciplinary commissions so soap up a neck - especially then the majority didn’t have a desire to vomit. Everyone grew up, more or less adequate, and we discuss the pranks of modern children even more and are outraged.
  33. Potapych
    Potapych 26 March 2018 12: 45
    0
    (About times, about people) people don’t equal the 80s and 2018 you need a strong man to go to school. The Russian Guard will come in handy 1 heck of a salary, but the children are not the same as we were, hell is happening to them, we could bring a maximum of scarecrow and now Inet make crap out of goods from the household, I wanted to give a flock to me, they drove a homeless person into an abandoned building and started to hammer the doors so that he died there, the result was their parents arrived on the cumpole and if it weren’t for my comrades from the authorities I would have been at least 7 years old , so directly and they said we were rotten for a child ,,, their parents need psycholg and not children (((
  34. Grandfather Eugene
    Grandfather Eugene 26 March 2018 23: 49
    0
    This is called soft, phased, conducting martial law. And one bright Kremlin morning, the cherry on the cake will be a decree on the conduct of martial law, but in fact the military will already be at each post and there will be no people hassle, no extra noise, or external condemnation because they live like wolves with wolves (west) a sensible explanation will howl.
  35. slavaseven
    slavaseven 27 March 2018 08: 33
    0
    First of all, parents need to be "treated." Kindergarten, school provide knowledge, but education comes from the family. Gotta go now. In our country, as many people think, “a child will go to kindergarten, they will teach everything there,” thereby shifting the work of upbringing to these institutions.
  36. komis55
    komis55 28 March 2018 17: 51
    0
    The idea is gorgeous, but only after service sterilize baby pots.