At the exercises near Belgorod, the major of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation died, saving the life of a conscript soldier

The press service of the Western Military District reports the death of an officer in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the Belgorod Region during training sessions. It is noted that the death of a soldier was caused by the rupture of a grenade. From a statement by the representative of the press service of the Western Military District it became known that the incident occurred at one of the Belgorod polygons (military unit 25624) the day before - March 20 - during a class in throwing combat grenades from a trench.

It is reported that the conscript serviceman, in preparation for throwing a grenade, dropped the ammunition when the ring was pulled out. Seeing this, the officer who was watching the actions of the fighter pushed him aside and covered himself with his body.
From the report:

As a result of the explosion of the grenade, the officer was seriously wounded. The conscript was not injured. Doctors to the end fought for the life of the officer, but could not save him.

It is also reported that the officer for his heroic deed is submitted to the state award (posthumously). The name of the deceased officer is known - Vladimir Chupin. According to some reports, Vladimir was a member of the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya.

Comments

[andrej-shironov]

Condolences to family and friends! Real Officer and Man!

[RASKAT]

Damn, well, when we’ll think of doing it, well, at least something like that.

Is that some kind of higher mathematics or something?
Soboleznu family and friends.

[andrej-shironov]

Nobody is safe from the tragedy. And even taking all measures to prevent it, not the fact that it will not happen. Only the heroic action of the officer is conceptual here.

[RASKAT]

The Chinese and a half billion, they are even more attentive to the soldiers, in this regard. That's what annoys, this is not the first case.

[Govorun]

Yes, you just don’t understand, it’s not about securing by 100%, but reducing the likelihood of such cases, there is probably a difference in the probability that this will happen again (for example) by 50%, but you can make it so that this probability decreases up to conditional 20% ... Is there a difference ?! I think there is ... that's about what they write to you, and you go to extremes.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Nobody is safe from the tragedy. And even taking all measures to prevent it, not the fact that it will not happen. Only the heroic action of the officer is conceptual here.

To the officer - eternal memory, a monument in the homeland and a funeral at the expense of a unit. And the crooked-armed conscript himself before the formation on the parade ground would have scored half to death. And then let the court of officer honor, the tribunal, the appeal, the removal from office ... I do not care .. And without this, now the tourists will come from the military prosecutor’s office and from the district headquarters and the entire command of the unit will be turned inside out ...

[Svarog51]

Alexey I grieve. My condolences to family and friends.

It’s bitter to find out.

[Cutter]

Eternal memory and eternal peace OFFICER !!!

[Barmal]

Conscript is least to blame for what happened. To deprive a conscript of health after giving his life for his health is the height of disrespect for the officer’s deed. My opinion is that such exploits always reveal an unsuccessful training methodology, soldier nervousness and physical training of recruits that are not bad by the standards of peacetime.
And the fallen - glory and honor.

[helmi8]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And the crooked-armed conscript himself before the formation on the parade ground would have scored half to death. And then let the court of officer honor, the tribunal, appeal, removal from office ... I do not care ..

Wow, what a hero ... Or maybe the first one who trained him and gave an unprepared combat grenade in his hands? Well, then already shoot yourself, what is there to wait for the court ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: helmi8

Quote: Zoldat_A

And the crooked-armed conscript himself before the formation on the parade ground would have scored half to death. And then let the court of officer honor, the tribunal, appeal, removal from office ... I do not care ..

Wow, what a hero ... Or maybe the first one who trained him and gave an unprepared combat grenade in his hands? Well, then already shoot yourself, what is there to wait for the court ...

It’s not for you to judge how hero I am. As he knew how, as I was taught, he commanded. And the boys didn’t die because of the stupidity of the commanders and on their own, and ALWAYS carried out the tasks set.
And I wanted to shoot myself from the award only once - when I, still not an old lieutenant colonel, was retired from the army at the beginning of the 90's, and pensions with all the length of service and maximum allowances were enough to go to the market three times. Only the thought that my wife and children would not survive without me restrained me. For more than twenty years, he defended his homeland in such places that the homeland sometimes did not know where I was. And then he decided to protect his family from democracy and reform. There were no outstanding orders before - and now he won ...
And to shoot because of a crooked salab - my battalion would feed my carcass to stray dogs ....

[TsUS-Air Force]

after my service in the army, the word officer completely disappeared from the lexicon, such as YOU ARE GOLDEN it is only JACKALS !!! But thank God there are still real officers in Russia who are ready to save their subordinates at the cost of their lives !!!

[Berkut154]

Dear, you would not at least disgrace the lieutenant colonel's epaulets. A conscript soldier must be trained, including psychologically, to perform a combat exercise! Training is the duty of officers at various levels! The fighter has nothing to do with it !!!! An officer saved an inexperienced soldier at the cost of his life. This is the plot of an officer !!!! So it was and will be. There will be a consequence from a to z.

[Svarog51]

Valery TsUS-VVS and Vladimir Berkut154 But didn’t you think about the fact that Alexey Zoldat_A, being a battalion commander of the Airborne Forces, did not lose either soldiers or officers during the training. Bruises do not count - lives saved. I do not detract from the major feat, but our colleague did not allow this during the service. So it turns out that he just completed the task and returned his students and colleagues home alive. Why is such a negative something for it? I would like to understand.

[Crane operator Nahamkinson]

Yeah, "hero,
this zoldat_a.
Or rather,
senile hero !!
It suits him better

[Svarog51]

Before scratching your tongue - at least take an interest in the fate of your opponent. Everything is available, only hands and desire attach. He parade from orders weighs more than your two-liter bubble. Do not be offended - this is a metaphor.

[Xnumx vis]

Always so ... You can’t trust cowards with military weapons. He dropped the grenade under his feet ...- It is necessary to write- "The soldier got sick. He threw the grenade under his feet and shouted -" Mom! ". Because of the coward a good man died ....

[cast iron]

Krivorukovy conscript must first be tortured with exercises with non-combat mulejami-mulezhami. That he would fix the necessary motor skills. Further, why it is impossible to make a fuse for a training throw for 10 seconds ????? Is it so complicated ????

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And the crooked-armed conscript himself before the formation on the parade ground would have scored half to death.

you are very emotional about the problem.
When I first threw a grenade, I threw my hands trembling cool. and the officer was tense.
incorrect grenade throwing is far from uncommon. one must be prepared for this.

[Svarog51]

Dmitriy Alexey has become a little emotional now. Read his comments and get acquainted with his story. Believe me, a very worthy life.

[Okolotochny]

And I, on the way to the trench for throwing, lost the fuse, fell out of the pouch. The pouch was old, shriveled.

[Okolotochny]

Conscripts live with this all their lives. For himself and for him. Oh, now it’s not sweet.

[Awaz]

in normal units, beginners are taught to throw from behind a concrete slab ... The process has long been established and where they understand and take care of the lives of salags and officers, they do everything as safely as possible.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: AwaZ

in normal units, beginners are taught to throw from behind a concrete slab ...

Who cares WHERE ... The main thing is HOW. If the salab before this “millet” threw thousands of one and a half or two times correctly - he would have thrown the battle from where you want. In concrete concrete slabs, you won’t bump into everyone ... But where did he have time to throw “millet” two thousand times? While we are in the process of going to the canteen, we will learn, while the “millet” will leave, while the machine will learn how to disassemble-assemble — it won’t get to the live grenade or to the shooting range. A year has passed - it's time to go home.
As in that joke about fishermen - "I propose to reduce the service life to six months and not to be drafted into the army" ....

[Awaz]

the one who will be at war is taught to throw from any position (in any case, they should) Salabons, at least let them try to feel what it is. At least in ideal conditions.
all this is sad, when the command does not understand the danger from the crippled cadets and the officers do not fully understand that it is not necessary to create heroism, where everyone could get off with a slight fright.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: AwaZ

the one who will be at war is taught to throw from any position (in any case, they should) Salabons, at least let them try to feel what it is. At least in ideal conditions.

In general, the army does not divide soldiers into those who will fight and those who will not. Everything should be ready for war, as long as you are in the army and are called a soldier. And "millet" until you lose your pulse and sensitivity in your hand, you throw yourself in - there will still be something to throw there - a military grenade or bulb. Hands themselves will do everything that is necessary. Regardless of consciousness.

[Xnumx vis]

Still coward! Throwing a blank is one thing, another is a combat grenade. Then for some reason they begin to jumble. Although, according to logic, you need to throw as long as possible (if you are so afraid) Throw from all the dope!

[bandabas]

In 1995, in training, when firing from the AGS-17, the grenade launcher deployed (led) with blanks. The sergeant standing behind got into the eye.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: bandabas

In 1995, in training, when firing from the AGS-17, the grenade launcher deployed (led) with blanks. The sergeant standing behind got into the eye.

He was a fool, not a sergeant .....

[Awaz]

here it is clearly visible that youth conscripts threw grenades. We all served in the SA (well, who was lucky), and we felt the same on ourselves: over the years of service, a grenade was thrown two or three times from the same time a maximum of a store was fired from a machine gun ..
And these modern ones, even if they are just shooting in my life too ... I threw millet too, and when the first time the RGD was a jerk too, especially after I saw how it fell into the trenches with my comrades. But nothing ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: AwaZ

over the years of service, it threw a grenade two or three times from the same time a maximum of a machine gun was fired from the machine

Well, that means such your karma ..... And to fight on four continents in 18 countries is MY karma. Sometimes the homeland did not know where we are ... El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Yemen, Chile .... But I haven’t been to Australia ..... But I shot ... Zinc in a day - is that normal? Stores to "native" Kalash equip fingers tired .....

[Piramidon]

Quote: Zoldat_A

If the salab before this “millet” threw thousands of one and a half or two times correctly - he would have thrown the battle from where you want.

I do not agree. You do not take into account the psychological state. When you hold the "millet" in your hands - this is one thing, and when a combat grenade, but for the first time - another. Handles tremble involuntarily.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Zoldat_A

If the salab before this “millet” threw thousands of one and a half or two times correctly - he would have thrown the battle from where you want.

I do not agree. You do not take into account the psychological state. When you hold the "millet" in your hands - this is one thing, and when a combat grenade, but for the first time - another. Handles tremble involuntarily.

Well, I don’t know .... I haven’t gotten a single conscript. Because before the first battle one and a half thousand times "millet" threw ....

[okko077]

And such "military" do not throw a military grenade ?! Is this provided? Only with a combat fuse an empty case! Something doesn’t fit .... Enough of an explosion package, for washing pants to the new Z-generation ....

[d1975]

Come to the FC lessons at school, and so on, see for yourself! It’s not funny and very much when throwing 500 gr. grenades in the class ran away as much as he could from her. When performing, the student deployed to 90 *, the grenade flew to the left, and not in the sector, almost killed the standing student in a completely different direction. The second time a wooden dummy still hit me, and from whom from my own daughter in the lesson I stumbled, again a U-turn, but 180 *! I would like to write an article about FC, PV, and the preparation of pre-conscription youth in the educational institution, but I have not reached this point yet. And the connection here is on the face, it is necessary to prepare from a young age, psyche, health and do everything. And there will be no sense in lessons at least 10 FC per week. The system is reputable. The education program was destroyed (remnants of the USSR), nothing new was created. And the officer is a hero definitely! The main thing is whether conclusions will be drawn from what happened.

[Piramidon]

Quote: AwaZ

in normal units, beginners are taught to throw from behind a concrete slab

If, as they say, a fighter dropped a grenade under his feet while pulling out checks, then no concrete wall will help.

[Awaz]

still how to help. In the case of the RGD, you can even throw a grenade even without a stove, and if a cadet throws it under his feet, the officer has four seconds to run away with this stunned jerk for about 50 meters, and at least for 10 even they will get off with only small scratches. I saw with my own eyes the consequences of the RGD explosion in a trench with four people. Only the one closest to the grenade was injured, the rest escaped with fear .. Everyone survived. The injured officer returned to service after 2 or three months ...

[Baloo]

Quote: RASKAT

Is that some kind of higher mathematics or something?
Soboleznu family and friends.

Quote: RASKAT

It is reported that a conscript serviceman, preparing to throw a grenade, dropped the ammunition when pulling checks. Seeing this, the officer watching the actions of the fighter, pushed him aside and closed it with his body

A landfill commander from a service somewhere else. On the internet there is another example of the organization of exercises in China. There, from reinforced concrete blocks, shelter at the back. The video shows how an officer instantly pushed a soldier and himself hid behind the reinforced concrete blocks.
There is no pity for the officer, but the soldier will live his whole life with this sin — he killed a man, left children orphans, a family without a breadwinner. Is this the only case? The question for the Moscow Region is that it is impossible to organize a training ground for grenade throwing properly so that people do not die so ridiculously. We look forward to an investigation from the military prosecutor's office and 100% verification of all training grounds with organizational conclusions. Although I am a civilian, what I can understand in combat training is a civilian rat.

[Vladivostok1969]

In the Soviet army, soldiers of the second year of service were allowed to engage in combat grenade throwing. Now this is not possible. It is possible to learn something in a year, but everything cannot be done as it should.
And the officer is worthy of respect.

[Andrey K]

OFFICER with a capital letter!
The officer, the real officer, is always the father of the soldiers. Somewhere he will laugh something, somewhere he will swear, somewhere in the ear he will crack, and somewhere he will sacrifice his life.
The earth rest in peace OFFICER, condolences to relatives and friends.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

May he rest in peace. My deepest condolences

[gorgo]

That is what the honor of an officer means! Rest in peace! Straight to Paradise ...

[Firework]

fought in Chechnya, therefore knows the price of life and without hesitation covered a grenade

[alekc75]

I would give this freak with a shake to the tribunal, because of it the military officer died !!!

[Herculesic]

It means that the fighter was not attentive at the briefing, or this happens, he was simply frightened of the grenade. In 87, I saw a cadet at the training ground, refused to throw a grenade — he was really scared to even pick it up! !

[basmach]

So there are training. Similar in weight with a through gas outlet. UZRGM is screwed forward. After use, the fuse changes. They themselves were thrown into the school. So let them study to stupidity, so that their hands do not shake and the skill is worked out to automatism.
Major is sorry. They die due to someone’s stupidity and gouging. The reward of life will not bring him back and will not fix anything.

[UVB]

Quote: basmach

So there are training

In the initial preparation, training and always then combat are always used. Do you suggest not using combat training at all? this is how to teach only single shooting.
At one time, I held the position of chief of the shooting range, had seen enough of this from the heart. It looks like a normal fighter, you never think that the gut is thin, but how it pulls out a check, it gets numb. And here it is very important composure of the officer or sergeant. He repeatedly witnessed how grenades were dropped under his feet, but there was not a single case of death, always being nearby managed to throw a grenade out of the trench. And to the major, Eternal memory and condolences to the family.

[Voyager]

The problem is that you should only switch to combat if you are sure that the time has come for this. Who gave the DRAWBALL battle grenade that turned green? Whose oversight is this? Yes, even after a lot of ideal training throwing, when you take the fighting hands begin to sweat. It just amazes me how here some wise men, like real hyenas, call him names and almost want to give them to the tribunal. All people are different, I'm sure everyone tried their best there, an emergency happened to the guy, which in principle can happen to everyone. Not the first and not the second time already. The officer is insanely sorry, this is a Hero and a Man with a capital letter. But blaming green, not knowing exactly what happened there and in what condition it was, is just brutal.

[UVB]

Quote: Voyager

The problem is that you should only switch to combat if you are sure that the time has come for this.

Training takes place according to the approved program for all and not for each individual. Of course, if the commander believes that the soldier is not prepared, he has the right not to allow him to exercise, but the fact is that you will not look into everyone’s soul, and not everyone even knows about himself what he is capable of in a critical situation.

[Svarog51]

Victor It is difficult to say something if you were not present on the spot. We did not have training, only combat. Threw and changed. It was dumb to stand in a cordon when the fragments fell nearby, but they were not afraid to throw a grenade. Well, or there weren’t such people near me. GSVG did not allow to relax. And the example of the 40th army in Afghanistan did not give us a face in the mud due to gouging. The moron, of course, was present, but responsibility was not the last word.

[free]

Quote: basmach

So there are training. Similar in weight with a through gas outlet. UZRGM is screwed forward. After use, the fuse changes. They themselves were thrown into the school. So let them study to stupidity, so that their hands do not shake and the skill is worked out to automatism.
Major is sorry. They die due to someone’s stupidity and gouging. The reward of life will not bring him back and will not fix anything.

The officer is sorry for the condolences to his relatives. And this happens (not for the first time, by the way, and in my memory such an incident was urgent) because they don’t explain how to hold the grenade and that it is not necessary to press it to white knuckles (the brush is numb and does not bend normally ) .Here they throw themselves under their feet, and with the advice at school, training grenades (models) were thrown and there was no such fear of a combat grenade.

[Baloo]

Quote: Herkulesich

It means that the fighter was not attentive at the briefing, or this happens, he was simply frightened of the grenade. In 87, I saw a cadet at the training ground, refused to throw a grenade — he was really scared to even pick it up! !

Each of the former and current officers on this subject in their own rights. But I’ll notice, people are different. Even pain is tolerated in different ways. There are people who are physically and psychologically incapable of military service and it is not a matter of intelligence. This guy in school threw a training grenade on fizra for offset? And what kind of sport did he do at school, checkers-chess, cards-literball?
And the girl kissed, I'm not talking about intercourse? So what do you want from this?
There must be a psychologist for the IHC of recruits, testing not only for IQ (this is for logic and ability to think) but also for more important things. It is necessary to weed out those who are unfit for the function of a soldier-warrior, but fit for the service of a soldier-fighter.

[region58]

Quote: alekc75

to give this freak with a shake to a tribunal

He doesn’t live with this ... and how else he will turn around is unknown ... The officer is of course a pity. No, "sorry" is probably not the right word - it should not be so ...
I'm so sorry.

[Berkut154]

What does the fighter have to do with it? Aw !!!!

[Lord of the Sith]

Condolences to the hero!

[Logall]

Eternal memory to the hero!
Condolences to the close ...

[NF68]

It would be better if the first channel talked about such people more often than 101 times to show programs like sharing and showdowns around Dzhagarkhanyan and co.

[AleksPol]

To these boobies on call only to give dummies in hands. It was already like that, the officer then became disabled. Eternal memory to the hero. The soldier’s parents and he must remember him all his life.

[76SSSR]

Eternal memory to the Hero!

[K-50]

It is a pity that he died, Earth rest in peace.
I'm interested in something else. How is the question of training grenade throwing raised, if such an emergency occurs?
Just during the service did not throw grenades, did not have to.
Pull to blue with training mock-ups, so that in the middle of the night you wake up, make you throw and when they do it without errors, then only switch to combat ones. And again, on the Internet, I saw a plot, someone, like the Chinese, threw a grenade surrounded by trenches. also fell out and she was simply shoved into the nearest one, and they jumped into another, what is difficult to make such trenches to dig or is it better to lose people? It is necessary to somehow somehow approach such dangerous actions with the mind to the learning process.

[cariperpaint]

here, before turning blue you can practice the skill. but when the combat gets into the hands for the first time they start before the exercise they begin to bring that it is combat and something happens to them .... I saw this a bunch of times. I myself, when it was the first time it was a combat man who threw me so instructed, I was afraid to breathe. pens sweat ... jitters fear. this happens when you don’t try sometimes.

[domnich]

Quote: cariperpaint

when it was the first time I threw a combat

It was the same with me in the beginning of the 70's, when the course of the young soldier was taking place. So the behavior of a young fighter is standard, no need to blame him. And the officer was not the first to suffer under such circumstances - he did what a real officer should have done!

[Svarog51]

Sergei The officer must teach the soldier. Something went wrong. I have no right to make a judgment - I was not present. But the behavior of a major in a fatal situation is a feat. IMHO.

[Baloo]

Quote: Svarog51

The officer must teach the soldier

Serge, there are people who can be taught to sing and dance, but they will never learn to drive a car and vice versa. Screening is needed at the level of the IHC of recruits using psychological and other tests to whom to serve whom.

[Svarog51]

Hello Iron Paw

Serge, there are people who can be taught to sing and dance, but they will never learn to drive a car and vice versa

I agree, there are such instances, I myself met.

Screening is needed at the level of the IHC of recruits using psychological and other tests to whom to serve whom.

And here I agree, but my own experience suggests otherwise. I was rejected at the draft board by sight in Zagranka, by the Operator, the Far North and the Airborne Forces. Sent to flight training for "fotika", and two weeks later the whole appeal went to replenish in the GSVG. There, too, after KMB, the guards were identified in the company. The company of the best shooters took himself, only wondered why I shoot with my left hand. (My right eye doesn’t see well) I shrugged, saying that it’s more convenient for me. A month later he became a machine gunner. And the grenades were regularly thrown, two months time - necessary, or even more often.

[Pushkar]

Quote: K-50

And again, on the Internet, I saw a plot, someone, like the Chinese, threw a grenade surrounded by trenches. also fell out and she was simply shoved into the nearest one, and they jumped into another, what is difficult to make such trenches to dig or is it better to lose people? It is necessary to somehow somehow approach such dangerous actions with the mind to the learning process.

It was not surrounded by trenches, it was a special trench in the form of a deep "ditch" around the central "island" on which the student and teacher stand. If someone does not drop the grenade to the parapet or drop it, the grenade will slide into a "ditch" and the fragments and the blast wave will go up. Then it will not be necessary to heroically give their lives in the name of sloppiness of command.
,

[K-50]

Quote: Pushkar

It was not surrounded by trenches, it was a special trench in the form of a deep "ditch" around the central "island" on which the student and teacher stand.

The exact wording is not so important. The price of this simple engineering construction is saved human lives.

[Awaz]

I myself have witnessed such a story. Immediately on all MCHP changed the rules of training throwing grenades. It was back in the 80s. Everything is simple there. They put a concrete block corny. If a cadet throws a grenade back, the officer and this poor fellow jump over this block. It was strictly forbidden to throw a grenade from the trench to the cadets. Only experienced sailors could do this .. Everything was simple and invented long ago. Yes, and this RGD is not dangerous, according to anyone everyone would be alive

[Doliva63]

From the trench, like, they throw the F-1s, don't they?

[Svarog51]

Only RGD-5 trusted us. Rothny said a very simple phrase: “Learn, and then throw anything.”
R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№

[Bad thing]

F-1 is not used for training purposes, the radius of the likely lesion is very large.

[Doliva63]

At other times, when there was no chewing snot, F-1, and RKG-3E, and much more, which are not present, were used for educational purposes.

[taiga2018]

condolences to the relatives and friends of the OFFICER and MAN! and this is a conscript soldier ... in every call, in any part, there is at least one such wry-handed ...

[Herculesic]

I join in condolences, there was a good officer, a real, MAN with a capital letter! !! Thank him for the life saved !!!

[SAF]

Quote: Herkulesich

I join in condolences, there was a good officer, a real, MAN with a capital letter! !! Thank him for the life saved !!!

I join in condolences
Bulletproof vest from a grenade will not save?

[Herculesic]

The face, hands, lower abdomen - a lot of which the bronic does not cover, but in general, from fragments, well, it also depends on its class, it can protect. So also what is the distance from the explosion, there are many factors.

[SAF]

Thank you
I meant if the student fell on a grenade in body armor (He covered it with his chest - like an sailors abrazura).
Annoyingly - not the first case when a grenade falls and no means of salvation are provided - at least a trench below the level of a throwing trench.
Not the first - and God forbid the last officer died the death of a HERO!

[Vkd dvk]

No, you need to filter the nodules away from the trenches and not give them heavier shovels. How much can you save these unfinished? Because of these ...... real people die!

[Herculesic]

But who will you fight with if, instead of training, everyone you don't like because of their lack of readiness for war will be screened out for household work, or in the rear units? It is necessary to prepare seriously, to restore the initial military training, to begin with, the initial military training, and let not the experts yet go to the army, but at least really capable of throwing the same combat grenade correctly.

[d1975]

Worthy answer! We have 1,5 men at school! And NVP must be restored! And it’s not clear what kind of cat about OBZh)))) We called him Oh God. And the attitude to this subject is complete ....... about. They only remember it before the training camp. A peasant spirit must first saturate the school. After all, there is one Indian. As I recall on March 8 at EBN, at least pack things from home.

[bogart047]

it will remain a mystery to me why a major changes his life to conscripts? A major is more valuable to the army.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bogart047

it will remain a mystery to me why a major changes his life

Yes, if only because he is an Officer, exactly, with a capital letter. And yet: each commander is, in fact, a large father. But doesn’t the father protect his son, even if he is a wry-handed clumsy man ...

[askme]

Mmmmm .... The great answer ...

[bogart047]

What will the crooked “children” do without the father-commander?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bogart047

what will they do

To begin with - to live. Yes, from the outside, at times, it is difficult to comprehend and accept such moments. For understanding, you need only one thing - to live it yourself. I happened, but I do not wish others. Sincerely.

[bogart047]

the loss of the commander will result in the loss of personnel. And there will be a choice - to lose one crooked-armed fighter at once or to lose many in the future (in a war, for example, without a commander ...)

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bogart047

And there will be a choice -

There are points that cannot be explained rationally. And yes, perhaps someday (pah-pah) this "crooked" fighter will close the commander in battle ... already another ...

[Herculesic]

Because the old Soviet hardened man, living according to the Suvorov testament, "perish yourself, and help a comrade!"

[Awaz]

if just a grenade exploded, well, yes, everyone would have been hooked, but everyone would have remained alive ... This is a bad deed of a bad one.

[Herculesic]

Awaz - your comment smells bad, I sincerely regret that there are no minuses so far - you would get your own hundred at least quickly! !!

[Awaz]

I myself was a witness, in front of my eyes the sailors and the officer were blown up by such a crooked-armed fighter. The officer only pushed the sailors in the opposite direction of the trench and stood between them and the grenade. In reality, only my legs were beaten and my ass got hit. After that, it was forbidden for the young to throw from the trench. I already wrote here already the last time, when the officer also covered with his chest - that this was not right. It is not necessary to cover RGD with a breast and it is not necessary to kill itself. If there’s also a seasoned officer - he should know that this grenade would not have done much harm ... Yes, and this is not the first case, is it difficult to change the training rule ...

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: AwaZ

It is not necessary to cover RGD with a breast and it is not necessary to kill oneself. .

This is at the instinct level.
I talked with a special security guard - according to him, if a grenade flies into the room with a group, and there is no way to hide, at the level of reflexes a military officer can happen - cover the grenade with yourself, if possible

[Awaz]

Ross, I was telling a story that I saw myself. In the Ministry of Emergency Situations, probably still in the training camp in Anapa all officers and foremen have been thrown from behind the stove for a long time with this story with an explosion in the trench and are familiar with what needs to be done. This is not the first time that stories have occurred with the loss of grenades from the hands of young people. For a long time already, it is necessary to conduct briefings on all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that this grenade, especially in winter, will not do anything catastrophic, even in the trenches, if it’s not quite under your feet that only explodes and you survive, although you may remain disabled.
The officer should have known about this. All that happened is criminal negligence. And the responsibility should be borne by very high military ranks, because it doesn’t reach them that it is impossible to take such risks.
I believe that it is necessary to arrange a cruel debriefing and to kick someone out of the army already ..

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: AwaZ

Ross, I was telling a story that I saw myself. In the Ministry of Emergency Situations, probably still in the training camp in Anapa all officers and foremen have been thrown from behind the stove for a long time with this story, they are familiar with the explosion in the trench and know what needs to be done. This is not the first time that stories have occurred with the loss of grenades from the hands of young people.

I do not argue.
My father told me that he had a soldier training metal from a tank (in the early 80s, he served near Lviv, his father - deputy tanker of a tank company, old young) - right behind his back, to the tower, and failed. Well, the fuse burns longer at the training - I managed to pull the h (m) by the scruff of the father from the hatch and shut the hatch ...
I only talked about what to close by myself, to save lives - this is at the level of subconsciousness among specialists.

Quote: AwaZ

For a long time already, it is necessary to conduct briefings on all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that this grenade, especially in winter, will not do anything catastrophic, even in the trenches, if you don’t completely explode under your feet and only then you will survive, although you may remain an invalid.
The officer should have known about this. All that happened is criminal negligence. And the responsibility should be borne by very high military ranks, because it doesn’t reach them that it is impossible to take such risks.
I believe that it is necessary to arrange a cruel debriefing and to kick someone out of the army already ..

I agree completely!

[Voyager]

Imagine yourself in the place of this draftee. You have a grenade. What's next?

[Awaz]

I served in the same unit with one that threw a grenade into my trench .. He told me how all this goes. Before the explosion, time dragged on for a very long time ...
Although I know a case where, in front of an officer, before pulling a check, he puts a grenade from the right to the left (well, what’s more convenient to pull out the check), and then back, you yourself understand that the lever falls off, a clap is heard and throws calmly ... I almost turned gray here

[Svarog51]

4 seconds is a very long time. Excerpt and composure are not given to everyone from birth.

[Hiller]

You heard such a phrase: “Father to the soldiers”!? .. Here he is, just like dad did! Not your way of thinking. at all

[mavrus]

Quote: alekc75

I would give this freak with a shake to the tribunal, because of it the military officer died !!!

If the soldier is “with a shake”, then the commander (officer) will still be to blame.
And Vladimir Chupin, like a real Officer (with a capital letter), saved the situation by accomplishing a feat at the cost of his own life. Everlasting memory.

[bk316]

And in our training Tajik left a grenade in his hand and threw a check. The commander’s platoon and the political commander stood nearby when they pounced on him and he dropped a grenade in the trench. The deputy politician managed to throw a grenade out of the trench, even though he had only returned from Afghanistan. I had to next throw everything I saw from 10 meters, so my hands began to shake so that the commander of the platoon threw a grenade for me. And then everyone hushed up no one upstairs and did not recognize, but this is also a feat, well, at least I saved my life in Tajikistan too.

[Doliva63]

And here many are sure that the political leaders are completely harmful idiots!

[Svarog51]

And here many are sure that the political leaders are completely harmful idiots!

Not so, do not listen to nonsense. People are all different. Position does not always make a person a person. A person can decorate the report, but not vice versa.

[bk316]

Of course. And if you think about it, then why?
Is it possible that the political officers in the Airborne Forces, together with everyone, are not landing or do they remain on the shore in the Navy?
So this is nonsense ...

[Azazelo]

A man with a capital letter ...

[Yak28]

What kind of curvature you need to drop a grenade, I didn’t play snowballs in my childhood, and I guess they threw training grenades before that, and you don’t need to save them.

[Razvedka_Boem]

When the first time they pick up not a training, but a combat grenade - this is not uncommon. They told a similar incident, since the officer was not in the trench, but next to him and literally pulled the young one out of the trench, he was twice the size of the sea, the silushki. Managed.

[Yak28]

Yes, people are different

[cedar]

What kind of manner they took to dignify without a middle name, he is that fatherless. As the patronymic of the Hero, who knows?
Quite already, did the Westernization of the Russian Ivanovs imposed by the media turn into Smiths and Johnsons?
Admins, please straighten this roll towards the Western system, if you can ...
Tell the patronymic of Vladimir. God rest his soul in your kingdom.

[Awaz]

They don’t talk about the dead man badly, but it’s already out of the ordinary.
Young people are always thrown RGD, this grenade can be harmful if it fell into your trench or you lay on it like this officer. if it explodes a meter away from you in an open area, the maximum that will be, a light concussion and a bunch of cuts. You’ll stay alive anyway. I had a similar case in my life. Three sailors and an officer who controlled the process sat in the trench. One also threw a grenade into his trench. The officer simply pushed the sailors into the opposite angle from the grenade and covered his body. As a result, since it was in Anapa, however, in winter they were all dressed in their overcoats, only the officer had several fragments in his legs. Everything above the overcoat did not even pierce her.
Since then, it was not a trench but a concrete slab that was used for throwing grenades, and there was a case, but everyone managed to jump over it to the other side and no one was hurt at all.
In general - this is not professionalism. No offense, but it's a bad feat.

[Firework]

If you can post a photo of the hero in the news

[WUA 518]

Quote: Salute

If you can post a photo of the hero in the news

[konstantin68]

Quote: alekc75

I would give this freak with a shake to the tribunal, because of it the military officer died !!!

Yes, that’s not the point. Just when the check is pulled out and you need to swing it, you want to throw it more precisely (rgd) or away (f-1) and you get the feeling that the grenade is not comfortable enough in your hand. I want to correct it, turn it around. At this time, some drop them. I myself threw them to their fill, I got used to it, they did not pay attention to the RGD later on, they torn literally at 10 meters sometimes. But first, especially on the first combat throwings, there is such a thing.

[Palagecha]

The process must be made so that there are no more dead hero officers. How much is already possible !!! Everyone should answer for his own life. Not the army, but the madhouse with the kindergarten ... Strongly forbid anyone closer to throwing a grenade 100 meters.

[Awaz]

I already wrote above. Everything is solved simply. Initially thrown from behind a stove without any trench. In which case, everyone jumps, or the officer throws the thrower. I myself have witnessed this .. I don’t know how where, but in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, after an incident in training, it was forbidden in Soviet times to learn how to throw grenades from a trench. Only on flat damage due to shelter.

[Hiller]

The order of the grenade throwing exercise is determined by the "Firing Course". Everything is spelled out in it. Methodology too: first, a weight model, then a training one with a fuse (several lessons), and only then - combat. No need to invent anything (trench or shelter). Everything is painted to the smallest detail, down to the height of the parapet. You just have to do it. And this - including painting for security measures, an executive summary, class schedule - everything will be requested by the military prosecutor's office. Here is the human factor .. here alas .. the usual jitters ...

[Doliva63]

All methods have long been reliably worked out. Not everywhere they follow, yes.

[Falcond]

Strictly prohibit anyone closer than 100 meters from throwing a grenade

How can children after school give a grenade unattended ???
They did not hold anything like that in their hands ...
It's like releasing a student in a driving school without an instructor!

[igorra]

This is the real OFFICER, the one from the books of the Soviet Union, from the movie "Officers". I am glad that the traditions of Russian officers, in the broad national sense, continue from century to century. A question for designers, why it is impossible to make a training grenade with a fuse designed for a bigger blow than a drop from a height of human growth? After all, the best perish.

[Falcond]

The Officer's choice was not great: to die or sit down for the death of an armless soldier!

[konstantin68]

Quote: AwaZ

They don’t talk about the dead man badly, but it’s already out of the ordinary.
Young people are always thrown RGD, this grenade can be harmful if it fell into your trench or you lay on it like this officer. if it explodes a meter away from you in an open area, the maximum that will be, a light concussion and a bunch of cuts. You’ll stay alive anyway. I had a similar case in my life. Three sailors and an officer who controlled the process sat in the trench. One also threw a grenade into his trench. The officer simply pushed the sailors into the opposite angle from the grenade and covered his body. As a result, since it was in Anapa, however, in winter they were all dressed in their overcoats, only the officer had several fragments in his legs. Everything above the overcoat did not even pierce her.
Since then, it was not a trench but a concrete slab that was used for throwing grenades, and there was a case, but everyone managed to jump over it to the other side and no one was hurt at all.
In general - this is not professionalism. No offense, but it's a bad feat.

F-1 is thrown from the trench. The officer was the head of the training place and did what he had to do! And this is really heroism. I can say that a soldier respects such officers very much and is ready to carry out any order without hysteria, knowing that the commander will give his life for the soldier. Honor and praise!
And to you, dear, for the words about the evil deed, we would have quickly cut off our tongue. Sorry for the harshness.

[Awaz]

I have never heard that f-1s were thrown during training, especially young people. It can't even be. Yes, and not experienced young people learn how to throw right out of the trenches while following. I already wrote that at one time there was an order for all border troops to learn to throw a grenade only from a flat surface from behind cover .. It is not difficult to put a plate on the training ground.

[Hiller]

nowhere is it said that it was F-1.. photo does not count

[Falcond]

A feat is always a feat! But any feat is a mistake of this or that commander!

[APASUS]

Died of course a good officer and Hero.
Maybe we were taught differently? But we had a similar one. A soldier of Uzbek nationality, the first year, threw a grenade under his feet in the trenches during exercises. There were two more officers in the trench and all three safely jumped out. Of course, this is a very big success, after that we had a huge racket, but that's all same

[aleks.29ru]

I look, everything here is hand-assembled, with steel Faberges. I've dropped it under my feet too. I dropped it myself, threw it away. Enough time. NS stood nearby, did not flinch. The number of discs abandoned at school has nothing to do with it. Psychological preparation is needed. I remember some squeamish sensation and an irresistible desire to get rid of this subject. I thought they would put him in about three days, but nothing happened.

[Falcond]

This type of undersigned in his armlessness and psychological weakness ???

[Doliva63]

We were taught in the school like this: you pull out a check and tag a grenade, with the goal of getting into the bucket for a few meters. Then, in theory, everything is done automatically and when throwing F - 1 there were no problems. But when the RGD was thrown from the tank (well, why be afraid of it?), The crew trained to leave the car, because periodically, someone threw a grenade inward.

[Hiller]

I agree. In our regiment, the head of the RAV service (the head of the lesson) managed to jump out of the hatch when a fighter dropped a grenade, and then dive into the hatch when he threw it out of the tank (with his arm in the landing gear upside down). Then he “leavened” for a week and said that time had “stretched out”)))

[Sergey D_2]

The Army threw the RGD into the trench. Threw it. Popal. Major says: “Four.” “Why?” “Hurray” shouted not loudly.

[VeteranVSSSR]

Quote: domnich

Quote: cariperpaint

when it was the first time I threw a combat

It was the same with me in the beginning of the 70's, when the course of the young soldier was taking place. So the behavior of a young fighter is standard, no need to blame him. And the officer was not the first to suffer under such circumstances - he did what a real officer should have done!

Well, well !!! Tell me how you threw a grenade in quarantine. For 3-4 weeks, not all the footcloths could win ...
Before the oath, three cartridges of the chest target (100m), six cartridges falling (150-200 meters),
Major, sorry for my condolences.

[domnich]

Quote: VeteranVSSSR

Well, well !!! Tell me how in quarantine threw a grenade.

It was a practice after the first course of VVMU in the regiment of the Marine Corps of the BF. At that time we were also tanked by tanks. The year after the oath. And before that, what are you hinting at, I had another 2 camp season with pre-conscripts. We ran well, not everyone ran to the first shots ...

[rocket757]

In battle, everything happened in a fever! But so in school? not the first case already? Well, what happened cannot be changed.

Rest in Peace Comrade, Honor and Glory to the Real Man.

[Puler]

Condolences to the family! An officer, at least a Hero ... Without hesitation, gave his only life, this is an act! such a partner, in battle and in trouble, he will not give up, such a fire will direct itself ... I bow my head before the Hero's Parents!

[Doctor13]

The kingdom of heaven to the Father Commander who laid down his life for the Soldier. And most importantly, that this is not best repeated.

[alexfara00]

Honor and praise.

[faiver]

Earth rest in peace

[KERMET]

Quote: UVB

In the initial preparation, training and always then combat are always used. Do you suggest not using combat training at all? this is how to teach only blank shooting ....

When you call for 1 year, the training is enough, but what about the example with blank cartridges, do you not offer to shoot at real living targets, and not at a target? Psychology is also different

[Alexey Kurtov]

The Israeli army does not buy blank cartridges at all! All exercises are only with military ones. And this is correct. Teach and teach.

[Hiller]

Everlasting memory! Hero and Officer! Condolences to the family and a low bow to them for their son!

[Falcond]

Condolences to the family! The officer and subordinate saved ... and himself to some extent ...
The truth from modern realities is the case when death is preferable to responsibility for the life and health of an armless soldier who, in addition to an iPhone and his own civilian, did not hold anything in his hand!

[Mikado]

A real officer .. bright memory .. Condolences to the family.

[Radical]

Everlasting memory!

[earloop]

Kingdom of heaven, Major Chupin! Major Solnechnikov (KDVO), Major Chupin .... May be enough. Stressful condition is characteristic of man. Psychological, anti-stress training with fighters should be carried out. Before throwing a training grenade, before controlling complex mechanisms and equipment, etc. A fighter in the "autopilot" mode is lost and performs unconscious and uncontrolled actions. So you need to make sure that the fighter is not lost in a combat situation.

[FLOOD]

There are officers who value officer honor! Condolences and regrets!

[Cheldon]

“THERE IS NO MORE THAN LOVE AS IF WHO POSTS HIS SOUL FOR OTHERS”

[gukoyan]

So because of one fuck ... ba an officer died who in any way has a wife with a child ...

[Bad thing]

In the ass, all emotions and all fantasies, as well as what should be, are described in the "Methodology of Fire Training", in the "Shooting Course ...", regularly the methodical instructions of the district administrative command on the conduct of classes and training places are published. When conducting training with the commanders of the units, they are all told, told and shown. Everything must be done. I always said to my own that the nonsense at the shooting range ends with the killed, wounded and convicted. If a soldier died, the officer, as the head of the lesson, would most likely have sat down with the chief in charge of the equipment of the training ground (if the training site was equipped in violation of the requirements), now the chief of the shooting range will probably sit down. As for the fighter, see "Methodology ..." - Persons who have not mastered the implementation of preparatory exercises and who have not passed the test for security measures are not allowed to combat firing (not verbatim but something like this).

[Alexey Kurtov]

I am convinced that in such cases it is not necessary to cover the body with a grenade! You can try to throw a grenade, you can run away. You need to learn this! There is time for this, and certainly no one will die, Wounds do not count. (The officer is still a hero. The soldier is not to blame)

[dakty]

Hero!
My condolences to the family!

[Doliva63]

I recalled the case from the school. A group of F-1 mosques, I am the chief of the food supply. One grenade does not explode. Such lies between targets, glistens. What to do? To call sappers - kapets occupation. Taxied by the company. He takes off his cap, says - give it back when I get back. And went to her. UZRGM unscrewed the grenade without moving a grenade, but a second-hand detonator! He returned. He says - you should be flogged, but if you return the cap, I’m sorry ... so brought up

[Bad thing]

Tell a colleague in which school F-1 combat threw? “Lies, glistens between targets” I generally am silent about the rest, you’re more careful with fantasies, there are a lot of conscripts with three shots in 2 years and just sofas, they can believe.