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Borisov: by the 2030 year, we will update the entire fleet of White Swans

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During the visit, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov, who visited the Kuznetsov plant in Samara, said that by 2030, the entire fleet of supersonic Tu-160 supersonic strategic bomber-bomber bomber planes will be replaced with modernized Tu-160X2 with new engines and missiles


Borisov: by the 2030 year, we will update the entire fleet of White Swans


We are going to buy the entire fleet of our strategic bombers Tu-160 in a new guise (Tu-160М2) and carry out a deep modernization of the aircraft in order when only one fuselage remains - all onboard electronic equipment and engines will change. Therefore, we will get a renewed fleet of "strategists" somewhere for the year 2030
- said Borisov

According to him, the new Tu-160 will be less noticeable than its predecessor, "due to special coatings."

Borisov also said that in parallel with the aircraft, new aviation weapons of destruction to be installed on the upgraded strategist.


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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Aloemc
    Aloemc 21 March 2018 16: 56
    +1
    Long. To have time.
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 21 March 2018 17: 14
      +2
      By then, they will need to be modernized in a new way!
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 21 March 2018 18: 54
        +5
        So modernization is an ongoing process, not an instantaneous action. Movement is life, so to speak.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 March 2018 17: 15
      +11
      Quote: AloeMC
      Long. To have time.

      Take a look at how many swans were handed over during the Soviet Union during the Soviet Union ... in the most bready times, 4 per year. And now look how many are going to buy these strategists our MO for VKS-50 boards. But I strongly doubt that such a series to be. Rather, 30 boards (God forbid) if they build. And I’ll tell you, the toy is not cheap, for 250 Baku citruses. And also service on all life cycle. It was not so easy for a country like the USSR, but what about the Russian Federation?
      Here the question of dvigunami is more interesting ... why didn’t they reanimate the TU-160 project with NK-74 engines? Or, for example, TU-161 is a project of an airplane with a liquid hydrogen power plant? Yes, modifications such as TU-160PP (electronic warfare aircraft, was brought to the stage of making a full-scale model and the composition of the equipment is completely determined) is also very interesting. As well as the project Tu-160SK-Aircraft carrier of the Burlak three-stage liquid-air system weighing 20 tons, it was assumed that the mass of the payload put into orbit could reach from 600 to 1100 kg, and the delivery cost would be 2— 2,5 times lower than that of similar missiles with a ground launch. The rocket launch was supposed to be carried out at altitudes from 9 to 14 km at a carrier flight speed of 850-1600 km / h. According to its characteristics, the Burlak complex was to surpass the American subsonic launch complex created on the basis of the Boeing B-52 carrier aircraft and the Pegasus launch vehicle. The main purpose is to replenish the constellation of satellites in the conditions of mass destruction of spaceports
      1. okko077
        okko077 21 March 2018 19: 28
        +2
        All work with the TU-160 related to the modernization and restoration of production is carried out only for 2 reasons: maintaining the combat effectiveness of existing aircraft and preparing for the production of PAK YES ... There will be no 50 aircraft, they are not relevant, unless what like political symbols. Moreover, in light of the need to produce new promising weapons of destruction, this program will be minimized ...
        1. Beltasir matyagu
          Beltasir matyagu 21 March 2018 23: 38
          +2
          It is advisable to launch hypersonic missiles from supersonic carriers. A ramjet is installed on them, and for starting from a place or subsonic, a more massive accelerating block is needed, and this is additional. weight and dimensions. They seemed to be planning a pack slow-moving in the manner of Tu95 and he still needs to be born. Tu160 has great potential for modernization. Vaughn at an instant 31, he had to create a new lantern of the cockpit before starting the dagger so that it would not drip at maximum speed, which was artificially lowered to 3000 km / h in serial production. Logic tells WHY. Theoretically, the moment itself can squeeze out a second one, like 3500 km / h on a serial, or maybe more on a modernized engine for several minutes to launch missiles. In order for the car to withstand this, it was modernized.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 March 2018 11: 42
            +5
            Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
            Look, in a flash 31, he had to create a new lantern of the cockpit before starting the dagger so that it would not drip at maximum speed,

            Think for yourself whether the MIG-31 with the outboard Dagger is capable of accelerating to maximum speed either? The frontal resistance is greater, plus the Dagger itself does not weigh a kilogram. The point is no longer in the speed of the maximum MIG, but in the ceiling, where there is more discharged air. And the MIG does not accelerate to 3 moves to launch the Dagger. Even in the video, it can be seen that if the MIG had a speed of 3 mach, when the rocket was dropped, it would have gone far back to the plane before the engine was turned on. But this does not happen. Ask yourself why.
      2. Beltasir matyagu
        Beltasir matyagu 21 March 2018 23: 30
        +1
        Technology is now at a higher level. CNC machines and more. There are theoretical possibilities to build packs of aircraft.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 March 2018 23: 31
          +4
          Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
          There are theoretical possibilities to build packs of aircraft.

          But not in this case ... an expensive "toy" ... here the SU-57 will not be in such a massive series, but we are talking about a strategist who is two or three more expensive.
          1. Beltasir matyagu
            Beltasir matyagu 21 March 2018 23: 53
            +2
            If you refine technology and have state control over pricing along the entire chain of cooperation in production, the price can fall significantly. If you look at the cost of the Lexus, it turns out that this is about a thousand bucks no more. For this I despise the especially market economy. This is what turns 1 ruble “by magic” into 10000 rubles. And you will not find the ends.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 March 2018 23: 56
              +4
              Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
              If you refine technology and have state control over pricing along the entire chain of cooperation in production, the price can fall significantly. If you look at the cost of the Lexus, it turns out that this is about a thousand bucks no more. For this I despise the economy.

              The USSR was not a banana backward republic, but he failed to reduce the cost of the production technology of Swans. And forgive me, Swan, that they do not say there, this is not a large-scale product and align it with the Lexus, which is collected incorrectly on the conveyor.
              1. Beltasir matyagu
                Beltasir matyagu 22 March 2018 00: 07
                0
                Russia is also not a banana republic. If a Boeing or Airbus can rivet hundreds of liners, which also have a lot of high technology, then you can stamp and carcasses. Previously, the production of aircraft components was more troublesome due to the machine park level of the 70s. Now they already have other equipment, at least because the old is dead or poher.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 22 March 2018 00: 12
                  +4
                  Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
                  If a Boeing or Airbus can rivet hundreds of liners, which also have a lot of high technology,

                  Yes? Then why didn’t they manage to create something better than the TU-160?
                  1. Beltasir matyagu
                    Beltasir matyagu 22 March 2018 01: 39
                    0
                    Because they don’t know how to make all-titanium parts of such sizes. This technology was only in the USSR. In the USSR, in general, there is a lot of that which they do not have to this day. Russia has documentation.
                    1. Zhelezyakin
                      Zhelezyakin 22 March 2018 13: 38
                      +1
                      The documentation, unfortunately, is only one “unknown” in the equation. In addition, there is still technology, experience, and not the last place - funds for implementation.
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Then why didn’t they manage to create something better than the TU-160?

                      It’s not worth it to bury that bourgeois have a B-1B. What is not a black swan ?!
  2. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 21 March 2018 16: 59
    0
    I propose to rename the White Swans to Black Swans. So it will be more correct. laughing
  3. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 21 March 2018 17: 01
    0
    Let's hope that these deadlines are met! I hope he didn’t mean these swans)
  4. vaaaaadik
    vaaaaadik 21 March 2018 17: 05
    +1
    Let's hope that PAK YES won't be forgotten to create either.
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 21 March 2018 18: 24
      +2
      Things will not go beyond paper, at least until the 30th year.
  5. keeper03
    keeper03 21 March 2018 17: 06
    +1
    Long, very long !!! request In addition, you need to quickly resolve the issue with civil aviation! Where are the modern airliners ?! angry There is an engine, you need to launch it in a series for domestic consumption and work out new modifications! Where are the modern liners with an ellipsoid fuselage cross section ?! Where are the supersonic passenger liners that the Supreme spoke of ?! If you do not use all our innovations in science and technology, as well as at the legislative level, then we will not be able to defeat the bourgeois competitors! recourse
    1. Firework
      Firework 21 March 2018 17: 12
      +8
      you are my friend a dreamer
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 March 2018 17: 11
    +1
    Does this one (for such words in the BO banyat) think that science will not develop in the world until 2030?
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 March 2018 17: 13
    0
    How many boards a year do they think they will do if, in my opinion, the USSR made a maximum of 4 cars a year? ??
    1. bk316
      bk316 21 March 2018 18: 08
      +2
      Well, it turns out 4-5 But something doubts gnaw at me ....
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 21 March 2018 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      How many boards a year do they think they will do if, in my opinion, the USSR made a maximum of 4 cars a year?

      The article is not about production but about modernization, that is, they will take the Tu-160 and make the Tu-160 M2 out of them. By 2030, the Americans will saw their B-1, B-2 and rivet 100 new ones.
  8. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 21 March 2018 17: 28
    0
    The most beautiful plane
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 March 2018 18: 06
      +2
      It's right. The plane is beautiful. good
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 21 March 2018 20: 22
      0
      And the name matches him.
  9. evil partisan
    evil partisan 21 March 2018 18: 36
    +1
    In the light of our President’s last message to the Legislative Assembly, I’m even afraid to imagine: WHAT belay we will have rockets by 2030 ... what
    1. Technician72
      Technician72 21 March 2018 21: 58
      0
      Tell (censorship), a lot of what you can, it's not tossing bags.
  10. sabotage
    sabotage 21 March 2018 18: 36
    0
    It seems that the elections have passed, you can stop giving empty promises. But Borisov out of habit ...
  11. jeka424
    jeka424 21 March 2018 18: 37
    +1
    There are no new ones yet. When a completely new one rises then you can say something
  12. Old26
    Old26 21 March 2018 19: 27
    +1
    With the first part of your post, Andrey, I agree
    Take a look at how many swans were handed over during the Soviet Union during the Soviet Union ... in the most bready times, 4 per year. And now look how many are going to buy these strategists our MO for VKS-50 boards. But I strongly doubt that such a series to be. Rather, 30 boards (God forbid) if they build. And I’ll tell you, the toy is not cheap, for 250 Baku citruses. And also service on all life cycle. It was not so easy for a country like the USSR, but what about the Russian Federation?

    It can’t even be called a plan by and large. It is rather a searchlight. Even if we assume the unbelievable that Russia will build 4 cars a year, then half a hundred cars is more than 12 years. Plus, take the time to test a new aircraft. How he will behave. Moreover, I do not think that the discipline of deliveries in Russia is the same as in the USSR with its Gosplan and tight control of such deliveries. Then delay the delivery of something serious for such a product for half a year or a year - the director of such an enterprise had every chance to put a party card on the table and go into oblivion.
    How much the entire technological chain of creating these machines has been restored - I think it's better to ask Sergey Ivanovich about this. After all, the TU-160 was by and large created by the entire Soviet Union and there probably is something from other republics.
    Plus storyteller Borisov also plans to carry out almost global modernization of existing machines, leaving only the old building from them. And the industry will pull these projects?

    In the second part I do not agree with everything
    Here the question on dvigunami is more interesting ... why didn’t they reanimate the TU-160 project with NK-74 engines?

    And the NK-74 engine exists and is it possible to deploy its production in parallel with the NK-25, NK-32 engines and the modernized NK-12 ???

    Or for example, TU-161- a project of an airplane with a power plant operating on liquid hydrogen?

    The probability of creating a military aircraft on such fuel components is not that close to zero, but equal to zero. Servicing a combat vehicle with such fuel is beyond reason.

    Yes, modifications such as TU-160PP (electronic warfare aircraft, was brought to the stage of making a full-scale model and the composition of the equipment is completely determined) is also very interesting.

    Do not forget, Andrei, that this project has been a quarter century. And if at that time the composition of the equipment was completely determined, I’m afraid that now everything will have to start all over again. How electronics has changed over a quarter century, I think you should not say

    As well as the project Tu-160SK-Aircraft carrier of the Burlak three-stage liquid-air system weighing 20 tons, it was assumed that the mass of the payload put into orbit could reach from 600 to 1100 kg, and the delivery cost would be 2— 2,5 times lower than that of similar missiles with a ground launch. The rocket launch was supposed to be carried out at altitudes from 9 to 14 km at a carrier flight speed of 850-1600 km / h. According to its characteristics, the Burlak complex was to surpass the American subsonic launch complex created on the basis of the Boeing B-52 carrier aircraft and the Pegasus launch vehicle. The main purpose is to replenish the constellation of satellites in the conditions of mass destruction of spaceports

    This is a stillborn project, which has not even reached the point of iron. Only a full-size model on the MAX-95 EMNIP. What and how much superior would it be - a conversation to calm one’s own speed, they say is better for us than for the Americans with their Pegasus.
    That's just their "Pegasus", which is smaller than our "Burlak" displays flew already 66 times, and ours - NEVER

    If there will be mass destruction of spaceports, then believe me, there will be no one to launch satellites from anywhere. Space industry enterprises will be among the priority goals. The bands capable of raising the B-52 are more likely too. So alas ...

    Quote: keeper03
    Where are the supersonic passenger liners that the Supreme spoke of ?!

    Well, what the Supreme said is rather a wish. There are no ready-made projects for such liners in iron. YES and such business class cars are more likely for top managers of large corporations than for the population ...
  13. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 March 2018 20: 22
    +1
    by 2030 it would be nice to see PAK YES.
  14. leon1204id
    leon1204id 21 March 2018 20: 33
    0
    You can see how the strategist is used in Syria. But that’s not what it was created for. While we cover it with special coatings, air defense systems will go far ahead .. At one time they could do without aircraft carriers and made an alternative. This alternative is still scared.
  15. Alexey Z
    Alexey Z 21 March 2018 20: 44
    0
    And now there are so many, real ... Pieces 7
    1. Beltasir matyagu
      Beltasir matyagu 22 March 2018 01: 41
      +1
      16 pieces fly regularly.
  16. Alf
    Alf 21 March 2018 20: 49
    +1
    We are going to buy the whole fleet of our Tu-160 strategic bombers in a new look (Tu-160M2)

    I alone did not understand the meaning of this phrase? TU-160 Already have, why buy them? Upgrade? So say so. It seems that the unforgettable Chernomyrdin received an earthly incarnation.
    1. Beltasir matyagu
      Beltasir matyagu 22 March 2018 01: 44
      +1
      To finish another batch but already new to the existing 16 cars. +1 pcs rolled out in November from the factory. + There are 3pcs unfinished from storage.
  17. Ignorer_RUS
    Ignorer_RUS 21 March 2018 20: 58
    +2
    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ...
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 March 2018 00: 15
    +1
    Yes, it seems that by then there’s still a lot of interesting things that will be developed for this aircraft.
    In principle, now, thanks to the development in the field of cruise missiles,
    the aircraft’s potential is growing multiple. After all, this is essentially a platform for the Kyrgyz Republic,
    improvement of one part automatically improves the whole complex.
  19. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 22 March 2018 03: 53
    0
    ... by 2030 the entire fleet of supersonic strategic bombers Tu-160 is planned to be replaced with modernized Tu-160M2 ...

    Serious plans. In the meantime, not a single aircraft of the full production cycle has passed.
  20. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 22 March 2018 07: 25
    +1
    The fact that the insides of the aircraft will change is good of course, but will they build new ones or not?
  21. Old26
    Old26 22 March 2018 11: 02
    +1
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    Quote: Herkulesich
    How many boards a year do they think they will do if, in my opinion, the USSR made a maximum of 4 cars a year?

    The article is not about production but about modernization, that is, they will take the Tu-160 and make the Tu-160 M2 out of them. By 2030, the Americans will saw their B-1, B-2 and rivet 100 new ones.

    Regarding TU, you are wrong. TU-160M2 - this is exactly a NEW car. But the modernization of the current TU is TU-160M