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Argentine Army: From Falklands to Decline

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More recently, the armed forces of Argentina were the strongest in Latin America and quite impressive even by world standards, in addition to this, the country had a fairly developed military-industrial complex. However, the defeat in the war on the Falkland Islands from Britain and the ensuing financial and economic crisis, the consequences of which are still felt in this country, were inflicted by the army and the fleet strong enough blow.


For decades, the military equipment, which is in service with the Argentine army, is practically not updated, and the samples that come into service are either upgrades to the old equipment, or have very low tactical and technical characteristics. The problem is the poor maintenance of military equipment, as well as the lack of necessary spare parts. Proceeding from this, the level of combat training of the Argentine troops has seriously decreased, especially in the Air Force, said Alexander Khramchikhin, military expert and deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis.

At the same time, by the start of the Falklands War, Argentina really had powerful enough armed forces that allowed the country's leadership — dictator Lieutenant General Leopoldo Galtieri — to defy Britain, which, although it was no longer the ruler of the seas, remained a strong European power with nuclear power. weapons.

Argentine Army: From Falklands to Decline
"Super Etandar" Navy of Argentina. In front of the squadron's emblem, the silhouette of the Atlantic Conveyor container ship sunk by this plane is noticeable.

In the war, Argentina relied on its Aviationreasoning reasonably that he could not compete with the British fleet with the help of his Navy. The attacks from air bases located on the mainland, the Argentine military hoped to inflict unacceptable damage on the British fleet. At some point, British Admiral John Forster Woodward mentally admitted the possibility of defeat (he wrote about this later in his memoirs), but Argentina simply did not have enough serviceable aircraft to carry out large-scale air raids. It is estimated that during the fighting, Argentina lost about 100 aircraft and helicopters, including 22 American-made A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft, about a quarter of the total fleet. As a result of the actions of Argentinean aviation, Great Britain lost two frigates, two destroyers, including the latest Sheffield destroyer, the loss of which was a real blow to the whole kingdom, a landing ship and a landing boat, as well as the Atlantic Conveyor container ship, which sank along with the transported helicopters and equipment to create an airfield on the bridgehead captured by the British. In addition, 3 destroyers, 2 frigates and one landing ship received serious damage.

And yet, Argentina lost. For the country, this defeat was a very painful blow to national pride. It was the direct cause of the fall of the Argentine military junta. As early as June 17, 1982, General Leopoldo Galtieri resigned under the influence of mass demonstrations. Moreover, the need for war and its historical significance are still the subject of truly fierce debate in Argentina, and the country's authorities are still not giving up their claims to the islands. We can say that the Falkland War was the highest peak of the Argentinean armed forces, since then much has changed for the worse.

Argentine army today

Today, the Argentinean armed forces consist of central government, ground forces, air force and navy. In accordance with Argentine law, they are designed to “prevent and repel any external state aggression with the goal of guaranteed protection on a permanent basis of the vital interests of the nation, which include independence, sovereignty and self-determination, as well as the territorial integrity of the country, freedom and security of citizens”. At the same time, there is no military doctrine in Argentina in the form of a single document that would reflect the national defense and security strategy. The Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Argentina is the president of the country. The president is empowered to declare war with the approval of the national congress, he can also impose a state of emergency in the country, appoint senior officers and mobilize the population. He also determines the main directions of military policy, the construction and use of armed forces. The country also has a Joint Headquarters of the Armed Forces - the highest executive and planning body, with the help of which the Supreme Commander and the operational control of the Armed Forces of Argentina.

Units 9-th mechanized brigade of the Argentine army at tactical exercises; November 2017 year

The total strength of the country's armed forces (excluding civilian personnel) is about 74,4 thousand people, including: ground forces - 42,8 thousand people, Air Force - 12,6 thousand people, Navy - 19 thousand people (Foreign military review. 2016, No. 8, С .17-23).

Argentine Ground Forces

The main and most numerous type of Argentine armed forces are land forces. After 2006, as part of plans for the future construction of Army-2025, three military districts were formed on the basis of three army corps. In this case, the army corps were reorganized into three divisions. In addition to these forces, the commander of the ground forces has a so-called strategic mobile reserve - the rapid reaction force (SSR), which consists of special forces units, a parachute brigade and the 10 mechanized brigade.

The land forces of Argentina consist of infantry, armored, mechanized, artillery, airborne, mountain infantry and other units. In this case, the main unit in the structure of the SV is the division. In addition to the three divisions, the military armies of Buenos Aires, army aviation units, military training institutions of the army, as well as separate units and units of central subordination were included in the northeast of Argentina. The 1 division includes: 2-I armored, 3-I and 12-I infantry brigades for operations in the jungle; in the 2 division - 5-I, 6-I and 8-I mountain brigades; 3 Division - 1-I armored, 9-I and 11-I mechanized brigades.

Argentinean Tanks FULL

Formally, they are armed with a fairly large number of armored vehicles. Only the tank fleet of Argentina has about 400 combat vehicles, but in fact it can be called zero, said Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis. The basis of the country's tank fleet is 231 tank TAM, which was created specifically for Argentina in Germany. This combat vehicle is a rather peculiar hybrid of the chassis from the BMP Marder and the turret from the Leopard 1 tank. This tank, by modern standards, has an extremely low level of protection, and its weapons are outdated. Also on the balance of the ground forces there are 6 American “Shermans” from the Second World War period, which completely lost their combat capability, 113 old Austrian-made Kirasir light tanks, 39 French AMX-13 tanks of the same old age and 4 own-produced Patagon tanks (the tower from the AMX-13 tank on the chassis "Cuirassira"), the latter will not be mass-produced due to lack of funds and low TTX.

The ground forces are armed with 108 infantry fighting vehicles VSTR, which are the same TAM, on which only the turret is replaced (armed with an 20-mm automatic cannon). There are about 600 BTR - from 329 to 458 tracked American M-113, French AML-90 (32 units) and AMX-13 VCPC (up to 130 pieces). To participate in UN peacekeeping missions, the Argentine armed forces purchased 9 British Tactics armored vehicles, as well as 4 Chinese WZ-551 armored personnel carriers. The gendarmerie is armed with 111 Swiss Grenadier BTR, 40 German UR-416 and 20 English Shoreland.

Another version of the TAM tank in the land forces of Argentina is the self-propelled artillery installation VCA, which housed the tower of the Italian 155-mm self-propelled gun "Palmaria". Such SAUs in the Argentine army 19, also have 24 French SAU F3 (also caliber 155 mm) and 6 extremely obsolete American SAU M7. Ground force towed artillery includes up to 10 US X-NUMX-mm howitzers M-105 (World War II period) and up to 101 Italian X-NUMX-mm light howitzers M-52 and 105 X-NUMX-mm howitzers L-56 and 108 CALX-155 Mortars - 33 VCTM (self-propelled version), 4 AM-30 (39-mm), 338 (50-mm), 120 (923-mm). There is also a 81 MRLS locally-made SAPBA and 214 Pampero, up to the 60 installations of the American Tou NMS. The air defense of the land forces of Argentina includes three French Roland air defense missile systems, six RBS-50 Swedish air defense missile systems and 4 order of anti-aircraft guns of various calibers.

155-mm howitzer CALA30 Argentine production

Army aircraft in size is an impressive force: more than 50 aircraft and about 100 helicopters. It is represented by multi-purpose and transport aircraft: 4 SA-226 “Merlin”, one “Sabrliner-75”, “Beach-65”, “Cessna-550”, “Cessna-560”, 3 С-212, 4 “Cessna-208” 5 ”, up to 207“ Cessna-2 ”, 6 DНS-2. Training aircraft: 41 T-3, 42 DA2. Attack helicopters - from 5 to 109 A-45 helicopters. Transport, multipurpose and rescue: 1 UH-3Н, 332 AS212, one Bell-5, 206, Bell-2, 315 SAXNUMXВ.

Common to the land forces of the country is that all military equipment is significantly outdated. The only exceptions are the Chinese WZ-551 BTR, but there are only 4 units and 155-mm howitzers of their own production CALA30, which in the future should replace almost all the receiver artillery if the necessary financial resources are found.

Argentine Air Force

The basis of the Air Force of Argentina is a military aircraft. In addition, the Air Force has auxiliary aviation, as well as air defense forces and equipment, including fighter aircraft, air defense missile systems, and air traffic control equipment. In total, the Argentine Air Force has eight aviation brigades: three fighter-bombers, one assault, one mixed and one reconnaissance, and two transport brigades.

Light attack aircraft IА-58 "Pucara"

As part of the Argentine Air Force on 27 attack aircraft - American A-4 Skyhawk and its own IA-58 "Pukara." At the same time, Skyhawks, apparently, are no longer able to rise into the air. Among the reconnaissance aircraft: American LNJ-4A 35. Fuel tankers: 2 KS-130H. Transport aircraft: 3 C 130N one L-100-30, 6 DHC-6, 4 F-28 one "Learjet-60», 4 "Saab-340», 2 "Commander-500», 2 RA-25 , 2 PA-28, 2 PA-31, one PA-34, one Cessna-180, 18 "Cessna-182". Most of the airplanes are represented by training machines, which, if necessary, can also be used as combat ones: 16 EMB-312 Tukano, 4 T-6С (there will be 24 in total), 2 T-34С, 12 IА-63 "Pampa", 9 Grob -120. Helicopters - to 3 «Hughes-369», 3 SA315, 7 «bell-212», 2 «bell-412», 2 S-76V one S-70A, 5 Ni-17, 9 MD-500D.

The Argentine Air Forces are unique in the sense that despite the presence of more than 100 combat aircraft (including those stored), there are no fighters not only of the 4, but also of the 3 generation. This makes the Argentine Air Force one of the most archaic in the world. Relatively new in the composition of the Air Force of this country are only training aircraft of the Argentine production "Pampa" and Russian Mi-17 helicopters. Attempts by Buenos Aires to acquire at least 3 generation fighters (the French Mirage-F1 or the Israeli Kfirs) were once successfully blocked by London.

Argentine Navy

The highest operational alliance of the Argentine Navy is the operational command. It consists of 5 commands: submarine forces, surface forces, marines, naval aviation and transport fleet, as well as a rescue service at sea, a search and rescue service and a service of operational situation, weapons and EW. In addition, the territorial components — the river zone, the Atlantic zone, the southern zone and the main naval base of the country Puerto Belgrano — are directly subordinate to the command of the Navy.

The military structure of the Argentine Navy includes: formations of the fleet (division of frigates of URO, destroyers of URO, ships and boats of marine patrols, landing-transport ships and auxiliary vessels, patrol boats, division of minesweepers and a group of hydrographic ships), formation of naval aviation (two patrol boats) and anti-submarine squadrons, one fighter-bomber, one reconnaissance, training and auxiliary squadron), the formation of marines.

Corvette type MECO 140 / Espora

The Argentine Navy has two submarines (one of the TR1700 Santa Cruz, one of the 209 / 1200 projects), the 4 of the destroyer Almirante Braun, and their classmate, the destroyer Sheffield, is currently used as landing craft, almost all the armament from the ship was dismantled, there are also 9 frigates (sometimes classified as corvettes: 6 type MEKO 140 / Espora and 3 type A-69 / Drummond), 2 missile and 5 patrol boats. All warships were built either in Germany or in Argentina, but exclusively for German projects. The exception to this rule is the English Sheffield, which was bought from Britain before the Falklands War, as well as French frigates (Drummond).

Formally, naval aviation, like the Air Force, is large enough in composition; you can also add planes and coast guard helicopters to it. But of the combat vehicles in the ranks, only one French supersonic carrier-based attack aircraft, the Super Etandard (another 10 machine is in storage). Airplanes were previously used as deck until decommissioning of a single aircraft carrier from the fleet. Naval aviation antisubmarine aircraft are represented by: American P-3В (3 units) and S-2UP (4 units). Training aircraft: 10 T-34C. Anti-submarine helicopters: 6 SH-3H (ASH-3H) and one S-61, 4 AS555. Multipurpose: up to two SA316. Coast Guard aircraft: 5 C-212, 2 Beach-350, 4 PA-28. Coast Guard helicopters: 4 AS365, 2 SA330 (1 L, 1 J), 2 AS355, up to 6 S-300С.

The Argentine Marine Corps has battalions: amphibious armored personnel carriers, artillery, air defense, communications, and the 2 – 5 battalions of the marine corps. They are armed with 14 BTR (90 "Panar" VCR, 1 LVTP-68, 31 LXB) ZRK RBS-21, 7 anti-aircraft guns GDF-16.

Argentine marines

Summarizing, it can be noted that the existing level of combat readiness and combat capability of the Argentine armed forces provides the country's leadership with the necessary level of political freedom in making decisions and protecting the territorial integrity of the state. Along with this, a significant technological lag between the Armed Forces of Argentina and the armies of the leading countries of the world remains. It is most pronounced in the material and technical support of the troops (which is also hampered by a large variety of combat vehicles in service, some of which are represented literally by the piece), radar and reconnaissance support, communications equipment, military equipment of the ground forces, air force and navy, and vehicles (sea and air). Technical re-equipment of all types of the Armed Forces of Argentina is carried out with a significant backlog of plans due to insufficient funding and a desire to load the Argentine industry, which currently is simply not able to produce high-tech weapons and military equipment, as a matter of priority.

Even despite a significant reduction in the number of the Armed Forces of Great Britain over the past few decades, the Armed Forces of Argentina have no chance of returning the Falkland Islands by force. At the same time, there are currently no direct military threats to the country in South America, since Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay bordering it have purely symbolic armed forces, and Argentina has never had serious conflicts with Brazil, Alexander Khramchikhin said. At the same time, the country has clashed with Chile in the past; its armed forces have now achieved overwhelming military superiority over Argentina.

Information sources:
https://vpk-news.ru/articles/41568
http://www.aif.ru/society/history/bitva_za_folklendy_kak_britaniya_oderzhala_svoyu_poslednyuyu_pobedu
https://ria.ru/spravka/20130408/931579733.html
http://factmil.com/publ/strana/argentina/vooruzhjonnye_sily_argentiny_2016/169-1-0-1029
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  1. Vard
    Vard 25 March 2018 06: 17
    +4
    The British lion is decrepit ... and there will be an opportunity, Argentina will regain the islands ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 25 March 2018 06: 59
      +9
      Quote: Vard
      The British lion is decrepit ... and there will be an opportunity, Argentina will regain the islands ...

      Hope dies last. And I liked the review, quite complete.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 25 March 2018 09: 29
      +14
      The army is all just a consequence, in Argentina, like ours, in 89 the pro-Western government came and started like a textbook. Privatization, unemployment, a falling economy, foreign loans from the IMF, etc. Everything ended in default in 2001. In such conditions, it’s definitely not up to the Army.
      That's it.
      1. water
        water 25 March 2018 12: 35
        +1
        All is correct. It is clear that as long as Argentina is the closest US ally outside the NATO bloc, it will have neither a combat fleet nor an army, and Anglo-Saxons will plunder its shelf.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 25 March 2018 14: 57
          +3
          Watermark, let’s point by point: 1) Argintin has always been pro-American, 2) in the late sixties and early seventies, military juntas prevailed among them, and the generals' brains were directed in one direction. At least believed in the Soviet Union.
          Maybe you remember there were TV shows: "Today in the world", "International panorama"? I now ea compare with "Our CT" and I like it more
          1. water
            water 25 March 2018 20: 16
            +6
            You are certainly right, although you have broken one point into two parts. Argentina has always been pro-American. And despite the fact that the military junta ruled there, the state possessed sovereignty. However, after deposits of various kinds of minerals were discovered on the shelves of Argentina and, at that time under its sovereignty, the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), this Argentinean sovereignty became an obstacle for Britain and the USA! What happened next, I suppose, you know. Now British and American mining companies are running the Argentinean shelves, and the organization of government in the country has slipped much lower than ours at the end of the 90's.
            As for our TV, in my opinion, although it has been digitized, it has become pretty stupid from that distant time. Once upon a time, the programs “Today in the World” and “International Panorama” gave not only a detailed and unbiased analysis of events in the world, but also subtly noticed international trends. Now there is no analysis, but there is a loud and extremely superficial set of news.
    3. cormorant
      cormorant 25 March 2018 15: 58
      +3
      For all my disrespect for British, Argentina is decreasing faster ...
    4. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 25 March 2018 21: 22
      +3
      I will answer you, as an Argentinean ... the real president .... many, many swear words in the direction of his person ....... The English protege, like most of his ministers, is actively leading to the fact that to give the Malvins to the British.
      1. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO 25 March 2018 21: 39
        +1
        Yes, I forgot to add that local ministers often went to Israel to buy weapons .... but that the president published that they want to buy ..... then everything is staff, like, .... and all weapons are OFFENSIVE .. ....
        https://www.eldestapeweb.com/exclusivo-la-escalof
        riante-lista-armamento-que-argentina-le-pidio-est
        ados-unidos-n27058
        1. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO 25 March 2018 23: 29
          +1
          Look at the article, see the link above, there is a list of 16 f16 for the purchase .... The French have the same with the Navy .....
          1. stroybat ZABVO
            stroybat ZABVO 26 March 2018 00: 03
            +1
            All the neighbors, at the ministerial level, asked Argentina, but against whom is ALL this?
            1. stroybat ZABVO
              stroybat ZABVO 26 March 2018 00: 54
              +1
              The previous government was confident that it would win the election, but, unfortunately, lost only 1.4%, and wanted to buy weapons in Russia. The list was ..... the weapon was "offensive." Now the local military filed this list, see above, hmm, also not for "defense" .... One gets the impression, like, give at least a slingshot, but for what, I won’t tell you yet ..... The local military is very angry on the last president, for example, commemorative signs are removed that the Malvins are Argentinean ... Doesn't it remind anything? Huh? ..... Friendship with England will not be forgiven him ...... If rumors about ARA San Juan are confirmed ..... The president can dramatically increase his weight by 9 grams ....
        2. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO 26 March 2018 00: 58
          +1
          Purchases have not yet been received, but sources are already known who and how much they lent on this business, and what amounts. There is data from the open press.
    5. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 26 March 2018 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      The British lion is decrepit ... and there will be an opportunity, Argentina will regain the islands ...

      Not in this life.
  2. Varna
    Varna 25 March 2018 07: 09
    +5
    Why do the British work qualitatively when they hate someone - even Argentina cannot buy Chinese or Russian fighters, they are strangled to the fullest.
    1. IImonolitII
      IImonolitII 25 March 2018 15: 52
      +1
      It will not allow the purchase of Chinese or Russian US - Argentina, both before, during, and after the Falklands, was aimed at allied relations with the United States.
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 25 March 2018 07: 16
    +5
    It would be necessary for the Argentines to sell airplanes with full ammunition. Plus air defense and a couple of Warsaw. And then it will be interesting how the British will sing
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon 25 March 2018 07: 43
      +15
      Do you personally pay for these purchases?
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 25 March 2018 08: 28
        +4
        And what do I have to do with it ?! This is just an idea how to strain the British am
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 25 March 2018 07: 49
      +7
      Quote: Magic Archer
      It would be necessary for the Argentines to sell airplanes with full ammunition. Plus air defense and a couple of Warsaw. And then it will be interesting how the British will sing

      Bullshit, your "hopes"! Not only weapons are fighting, but also troops trained for modern warfare (!), And they must have “commanders”: generals, politicians, the government ... Well, now there are no generals from Argentina, politicians who are “eager” before the war! The Argentine "armored train" has long disappeared "beyond the horizon" ... when will it be "found"?
      1. mgero
        mgero 25 March 2018 15: 10
        -1
        A nashi sovetniki?
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 25 March 2018 15: 45
          +2
          Quote: mgero
          A nashi sovetniki?

          This is not serious !
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 25 March 2018 08: 07
    +14
    In the “Falkland” story, Argentina had not only “combat-ready” aircraft, but also wonderful pilots who fought not only skillfully, but also heroically! Assessing the military operations of the Argentinean aviation, the Western press noted the high level of professional training and the courage of its flight crews. Operating in an unfavorable tactical environment, difficult meteorological conditions, and being insufficiently equipped with modern types of equipment and weapons, Argentinean aircraft caused significant damage to the naval forces of Great Britain. As a result of her attacks, the British lost 2 destroyer destroyers - Sheffield and Coventry, two frigate URO, a landing ship and a container ship. British losses would have been much greater, but Argentine pilots were sorely lacking high-precision (guided) weapons and "basically, they used old free-falling bombs (a significant number of which did not explode when they hit ships) and NARs ... We had to use these weapons in direct visibility of ships in the coverage area of ​​naval air defense of England.
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  5. gorenina91
    gorenina91 25 March 2018 09: 47
    +9
    -Yes, Argentina actually then beat Britain ... -Britain was saved by universal betrayal of both the USA and France ... -USA informed Britain all secret data about the armed forces of Argentina via satellite communications .., France delivered low-quality bombs (fuses) and missiles to Argentina etc...
    -Argentinian pilots showed amazing skill ... -All of their aerial attacks on the British Navy .., literally all culminated in direct hits by air bombs in the hulls of British warships ... -bombs pierced the decks right up to the holds filled with the British Marines .. ., ..but they didn’t explode ... -Even the British latest Sheffield destroyer was sunk by a direct hit by a rocket ... that did NOT explode .. but caused damage to it and caused a fire on the ship .., which then sank ...
    -And if all the bombs exploded .. then the British Marines would be destroyed and all the ships sunk ... -Then England would have to equip a new marine punitive expedition ... or somehow "differently" then resolve the controversial question with Argentina ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 March 2018 11: 10
      +13
      "-Ah, if all the bombs exploded" ////

      In fact, in normal armies from time to time
      conduct exercises. On which they check: do they explode
      bombs and shells, whether the soldiers hit the target.
      If you do not set up and test fuses in exercises -
      you will surely get stuck in a war. sad
  6. win9090
    win9090 25 March 2018 10: 02
    +2
    So usually the aggressor ends. The top got their Wishlist, and then the people paid.
    1. Graz
      Graz 25 March 2018 11: 43
      +3
      you looked at the map where Argentina and the Falklands (Maldives) and where the UK, the islands are 100% Argentine
  7. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 25 March 2018 10: 11
    +4
    Quote: Cartalon
    Do you personally pay for these purchases?


    We have quite a few planes that are being written off due to the fact that new ones are coming in. And they are in much better condition than any Argentinean at the moment. In addition, Argentina would not mind paying for them, if not money, so products. In other countries they cannot buy them, the shaves are forbidden. And we are just not very friendly with shaving right now winked So it would be nice for them to fit old equipment, including armor, such as T-62 and BMP-1-2. And the article does not say that in 2014 Argentina acquired 12 Su-24s from Russia. infa slipped that the shavers then urgently increased their air defense in the Falklands. There were also negotiations about other weapons. In particular, about armored vehicles, S-300 and Shell, sea tugs. I don’t know what their implementation status is. A year ago, we agreed about 15 Mig-29. It would not hurt to help them, even at a cheap price. Let the shaving sprinkle with saliva.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 10: 41
      0
      Given the current state of the British Navy and the presence of a squadron of typhoons and at least one dering, the numbers are designated as a dead poultice. By the way, can you read more about su24? Desirable source, because Google is silent. The amnip contract was (or could it still be?) Under Kirchner, and then the military attachés changed and they sent ours (in fact, there is no money).
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 10: 50
        +3
        Yes, the deal with the fencers broke off. As I said, the kirshner went into the sunset, and there was a deal with her. https://theaviationist.com/2014/12/29/su-24-fuerz
        a-aerea-argentina /
    2. marat2016
      marat2016 25 March 2018 20: 51
      0
      MTC of Russia and Argentina: several “arctic” Mi-17s, in 1997 8 units of the Su-29AR were delivered, and the story of the contract for Russia's participation in the modernization of Argentinean tanks. No Su-24 was delivered.
  8. seos
    seos 25 March 2018 10: 13
    0
    They put it on the wrong supplier of weapons and eventually merged .... what can I say stupid people and do not learn from their mistakes ...
  9. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 25 March 2018 10: 29
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    In the “Falkland” story, Argentina had not only “combat-ready” aircraft, but also wonderful pilots who fought not only skillfully, but also heroically! Assessing the military operations of the Argentinean aviation, the Western press noted the high level of professional training and the courage of its flight crews. Operating in an unfavorable tactical environment, difficult meteorological conditions, and being insufficiently equipped with modern types of equipment and weapons, Argentinean aircraft caused significant damage to the naval forces of Great Britain. As a result of her attacks, the British lost 2 destroyer destroyers - Sheffield and Coventry, two frigate URO, a landing ship and a container ship. British losses would have been much greater, but Argentine pilots were sorely lacking high-precision (guided) weapons and "basically, they used old free-falling bombs (a significant number of which did not explode when they hit ships) and NARs ... We had to use these weapons in direct visibility of ships in the coverage area of ​​naval air defense of England.


    By the way, on Sheffield, nuclear weapons were according to Soviet intelligence. At first the Britons generally denied the fact of the presence of nuclear weapons, and a few years later they confirmed, but said that it was on another ship. Apparently they were afraid that they could not cope with conventional forces, and kept an ace up his sleeve.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 10: 46
      +3
      Now the British can not even drive the fleet, stupidly sail 3 trafalgar / 4 astyut and level all coastal bases with tomahawks and sub-harpoons. And Argentina is the most peaceful country on the planet: 3
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 25 March 2018 12: 48
        0
        Flatten-ammunition is not enough. Each submarine has a total of 4 UGM-109. Total volley - 28KR ... In conventional equipment (450kg warheads) - it is to iron 1 airfield or a small port (if all KR reach the target). Everything.
        This is the Americans to the full "play" can, they have these "birds" several thousand.
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 20: 00
          +1
          This is where you read about 4 tomahawk? On astyutes, only in each square up to 38 tomahawks + on trafalhars up to 30 can be crammed. Libya was bombed by one submarine and it fired a volley of 20 missiles. The stock of the British more than 120 missiles. I say again, they will not leave wet places there.
          1. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri April 3 2018 21: 00
            0
            30- in total with torpedoes. Theoretically, of course, you can download the Tomahawks ... but due to the lack of separate launchers, it will not be possible to "blind". Released from the TA, then recharged for several minutes ... etc.
  10. tanit
    tanit 25 March 2018 10: 52
    +3
    "Argentina has never had serious conflicts with Brazil, Alexander Khramchikhin notes."
    Brilliant, as always. And between whom and who was the “Brazilian” war in 1825-1827? For a long time, tell me. Yes, for a long time, but in Russia Napoleon’s invasion is still remembered.
  11. Old26
    Old26 25 March 2018 12: 26
    +5
    Quote: Magic Archer
    It would be necessary for the Argentines to sell airplanes with full ammunition. Plus air defense and a couple of Warsaw. And then it will be interesting how the British will sing

    And who will pay for the banquet? You or the Argentines. so they don’t have denyu ...

    Quote: Xscorpion
    We have quite a few planes that are waiting to be decommissioned due to the fact that new ones are coming in their place.

    Yes? We write off what has already worked out its resource. Or are we, for example, writing off the same MIG-29 due to the fact that MIG-35 enters the troops en masse ?? Do you want to sell trash to them ???

    Quote: Xscorpion
    And the article does not say that in 2014 Argentina acquired 12 Su-24s from Russia

    And then we take a guide to the armed forces of the world for 2017 and read in it that there are no SU-24s in sight. Among all that they have - only 2 Russian-made MI-171 helicopters ...
    Neither Migov, nor SU-24, nor S-300. NOTHING...
  12. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 25 March 2018 12: 29
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    Quote: Sam_gosling
    Yes, the deal with the fencers broke off. As I said, the kirshner went into the sunset, and there was a deal with her. https://theaviationist.com/2014/12/29/su-24-fuerz
    a-aerea-argentina /


    I looked at this site, sort of serious:

    http://csef.ru/ru/oborona-i-bezopasnost/340/voenn
    o-tehnicheskoe-sotrudnichestvo-rossii-i-stran-lat
    inskoj-ameriki-sostoyanie-i-perspektivy-8110


    It says that 2 Mi-171s and 12 Su-24s were delivered. Even after Kirchner. I also saw in another place that the exchange planes went for food, beef and wheat.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 25 March 2018 12: 52
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      Here's the current procurement: https://www.zona-militar.com/2017/09/16/proyecto-
      presupuesto-2018-contrataciones-adquisiciones-def
      ensa /

      They are planning to buy UBS (for $ 500 million) - they choose between the “Korean” T-50 and the “Italian illegitimate” M-346
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 25 March 2018 12: 56
      +1
      And here is a list of what is ... junk, basically: https://www.faa.mil.ar/armamento/index_material.h
      tml

      Fighter-bombers

      - Douglas A-4AR "Fightinghawk"

      - Douglas OA-4AR "Fightinghawk" versión biplaza
      - IAI "Finger"
      - AMD M-5 "Mara"

      Interceptores
      - AMD M-IIIEA "Mirage"
      - AMD M-IIIDA "Mirage" versión biplaza
      Attack

      - FMA IA-58 "Pucará"
      Training

      - Embraer EMB-312 "Tucano"
      - Beechcraft B-45 "Mentor"
      - FMA IA-63 "Pampa"
    3. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 20: 12
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      And they buy kfirs, jf-17 and mirages for rent. Phantom pains for losers: 3
      https://www.infobae.com/2015/03/25/1717979-argent
      ina-confirmo-que-comprara-jets-combate-pero-desca
      rto-los-aviones-rusos /
  13. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 25 March 2018 12: 34
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    Quote: Sam_gosling
    Now the British can not even drive the fleet, stupidly sail 3 trafalgar / 4 astyut and level all coastal bases with tomahawks and sub-harpoons. And Argentina is the most peaceful country on the planet: 3


    The problem is that England breaks off all the agreements on the supply of air defense and aviation to them. It has already happened more than a dozen times. The Argentines are trying to strengthen the army, but they lack the flexibility and decisiveness, and most importantly cash in cash.
  14. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 25 March 2018 13: 35
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    Well, they will also soon switch to stone axes! $ bye bye! Goodbye dreams of the leading power of South America!
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist 25 March 2018 15: 30
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    The author correctly pointed out that the Argentine Sun is higher than the level of Paraguay, Bolivia or Colombia.
    In fact, banana republics do not need a full-fledged armed forces, they periodically drive different guerillas or drug lords to more or less vomit some kind of guerilla (where they start some kind of "N * N fronts", where the drug lords will understand FIG) the Argentine army has enough strength . In the event of a serious conflict with Chile, everything is at the discretion of the “poultry house”, once in the New Time magazine it was said: in the USA, banana republics are looked at as their own
  16. dDYHA
    dDYHA 25 March 2018 16: 23
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    I remember reading an essay about this war in the journal Foreign Military Review. Immediately in hot pursuit. It was clearly said that the infantry of Argentina failed. And the pilots worked beyond praise. They would still have modern armament and do not know how the war would end.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 20: 05
      +1
      When you are at war with a nuclear power, the chances of winning a non-nuclear one are not enough.
  17. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 25 March 2018 18: 48
    +2
    The article, of course, was whistled by Khramchikhin, but creatively revised, and even more interesting than the original source. Although of course Khramchikhin is such Khramchikhin))). But for lack of a stamp we write on the toilet. And on the topic ... There was a recently interesting article about a British singed cat, very informative, by the way. And as if it’s sad. Such a country is about .... Wed .... ali. But the args certainly slipped into complete insignificance. The window of opportunity to return the islands slammed shut. Well, maybe someday, then .... Although it’s unlikely . And it’s very unfortunate that you can’t neglect and swear like on bmpd, although I really want to read some comments.
  18. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 25 March 2018 18: 57
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    Quote: Xscorpion
    Quote: Cartalon
    Do you personally pay for these purchases?


    We have quite a few planes that are being written off due to the fact that new ones are coming in. And they are in much better condition than any Argentinean at the moment. In addition, Argentina would not mind paying for them, if not money, so products. In other countries they cannot buy them, the shaves are forbidden. And we are just not very friendly with shaving right now winked So it would be nice for them to fit old equipment, including armor, such as T-62 and BMP-1-2. And the article does not say that in 2014 Argentina acquired 12 Su-24s from Russia. infa slipped that the shavers then urgently increased their air defense in the Falklands. There were also negotiations about other weapons. In particular, about armored vehicles, S-300 and Shell, sea tugs. I don’t know what their implementation status is. A year ago, we agreed about 15 Mig-29. It would not hurt to help them, even at a cheap price. Let the shaving sprinkle with saliva.

    Which Su-24? What are you talking about? These are the so-called fake news.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 25 March 2018 20: 04
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      And there is. Fortunately.
  19. doka
    doka 25 March 2018 22: 20
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    It’s necessary for the lads to fit the fighters to them and instantly-23 will do, AND IF they declare war on the Angles, it’s possible to give the Su -25 too, give the lion a shave
  20. nafanal
    nafanal 26 March 2018 00: 00
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    For some reason, the Russian su -24s currently in service with the Argentine Air Force are not indicated
  21. Liberal Zionist.
    Liberal Zionist. 26 March 2018 05: 59
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    Thank God that they have nothing to fight. Stupidity would be enough to try again to take the Falklands. The current possibilities of the British are simply incommensurably greater. Let there be peace.
  22. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 26 March 2018 12: 30
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    At the same time, in South America, there are currently no direct military threats to the country, since the neighboring Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay have purely symbolic armed forces, and Argentina has never had serious conflicts with Brazil.


    Ay yay. How so. No one aspiring to world domination does not seek to “crush” Brazil Brazil Paraguay Uruguay - how can they live poor without an army ... (Sarcasm)
  23. Catfish
    Catfish 27 March 2018 02: 22
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    Argentinean aircraft attacked the British with Exocet French missiles. Moreover, the greatest losses for the British were from missiles on which fuses did not work. The flame from their engines perfectly ignited the aluminum-magnesium hulls of the ships and the struggle for survivability did not work.
    Argentina lost the war, but ... Long time ago, the "mistress of the seas" did not suffer such losses. And from someone else ... With their great power fanabery.
    A trifle, but nice. good
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 27 March 2018 12: 26
      +1
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Argentinean aircraft attacked the British with Exocet French missiles. Moreover, the greatest losses for the British were from missiles on which fuses did not work. The flame from their engines perfectly ignited the aluminum-magnesium hulls of the ships and the struggle for survivability did not work.


      The Argentines had only 5 Exoset aircraft-based missiles at the beginning of the war.

      If all Argentinean bombs exploded, the British would have lost twice as much.
      There were more bombs than missiles.
  24. Gigabiter
    Gigabiter 27 March 2018 10: 59
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    The current Macri government has set itself the task of restoring the economy that has been plagued by recent decades. The only thing in spite of such a decline is wondering where the money is spent, and defense spending in Argentina is about 1% of GDP according to the well-known book of facts by the CIA. At the GDP level in 2017, $ 911.5 billion is a pretty decent amount of about $ 9 billion, by the way more than neighboring Chile, but Chile, unlike Argentina, has modern Leopard-2A5, F-16, scorpions. In Argentina, apparently there are problems with cutting the military budget not for military purposes at all.
    In addition, all the same, the United Kingdom often puts sticks in the wheel in attempts to acquire arms and military equipment, although it is not clear who prevented the acquisition of equipment from China (there were plans with FC-1, Z-11) or Russia (plans with MiG-29, Su-24 ) There’s politics ... With a lot of negatives and negativity in the state of the Argentine Armed Forces, they are actively developing their missile program (CONAE), building their own satellites (Invap), UAVs.