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Russia had two misfortunes, but came up with a third!

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Russia had two misfortunes: roads and fools. And then came up with artificial intelligence!




Nobody invented artificial intelligence on the instructions of officials whom Nikolai Vasilyevich mentioned in his aphorism. The development of automation and programming has come to a level where artificial intelligence can to some extent replace the main human organ.

Replace not immediately, evolutionarily, starting with those areas where laborious and error-free work with large data arrays, Big Data, is required. This path is fraught with difficult predictable consequences for both sides (artificial intelligence, then AI, we will be considered as a “party” without discussing the degree of its usefulness for various groups of criteria).

Today, AI is used in the most accessible for implementation aspects.

Unmanned vehicles. From available sources, for example [1], it is known that during the operation of people in the United States, 1,3 recorded deaths during an accident on 100 thousands of miles. Tesla unmanned car brought only one accident for 130 thousands of miles. The other day, Uber unmanned aerial vehicle also committed its first fatal accident. At the same time, on the account of an electric vehicle running the AI, there is at least one life saved - the car delivered the owner with a heart attack to the clinic.

Medicine. AI is able to diagnose diseases in the early stages, when the symptoms are so minor that they escape the attention of the doctor. The IBM-owned Watson supercomputer refines the diagnosis of patients with additional diagnoses in 30 percentages of examinations. This supercomputer is available to any application developers who require working with Big Data.

Pattern recognition. Domestic company NTechLab launched in Moscow and St. Petersburg facial recognition system. System performance 2,0 billion images per second. In this case, the system identifies a person in bad weather, at night, and even by a fragment of his face, uses photos from various sources, from special and own databases to any social networks. In Moscow, the network includes 160 thousands of video cameras and covers 95 percent of apartment building entrances. A similar system is booming in China.

AI can not only recognize faces, but register human emotions, which is effectively used in the fast-growing segment of the advertising market - neuromarkering.

AI, according to Microsoft, is capable recognize human texts and speech better than himself.

AI is used for forecasting. Facts about the prediction of US election results are well known - Indian start-up MogIA in Mumbai confidently predicted Trump's victory. Another example: Artificial Intelligence UNU was able to successfully predict the four winners of the prestigious equestrian competition, moreover, strictly in the order of their finish. No official expert in this competition has been able to do this - so the computer won with a 540 rate for 1 [2].

In the UK, AI is used to catching corrupt officials. We present one of the illustrative examples in more detail. British Serious Fraud Office, Bureau of Grave Economic Crimes suspected Rolls-Royce and its Indonesian customers of corruption. Tommy Suharto, son of the ex-president of Indonesia, received $ 1990 million from the company’s management and a Rolls Royce car in 20. And in exchange, the national airline Garuda purchased from Rolls Royce aviation engines. Pay attention - they became interested in the case 22 years later. To help investigators, a cyber-detective developed by the London-based firm RAVN Systems was used.

AI RAVN ACE was used for sorting and classifying documentation, preparing its summary. AI did an excellent job with the task, sorting out 600000 documents per day. As a result, he helped human detectives process 30 of millions of documents, sorting them into “priority” and “non-priority” according to how relevant they are.

It is clear that to process such an array of data to a person, and even to a brigade at a reasonable time, is not under force. And thanks to the RAVN ACE system, the case was successfully completed. Rolls-Royce pleaded guilty and went to a settlement in a pretrial order (the company will pay a fine of 497 million pounds). So that AI can give a good income to its owner [2].

AI learned to recognize potential suicides.
Scanning showed: the brain of potential suicides reacts in a special way to certain words. Using this data, artificial intelligence was able to calculate the possible suicides in 91% of cases [3].

Examples of the use of AI in various fields can already be found in a huge number, for example, in [3]. AI is used in defense technologies, forensics, speech technologies, etc. AI taught to write software for themselves, to teach another AI. And even gay people got angry at the attempt to determine the sexual orientation of a person from a photo [3], and the Russian government proposed using AI in the courts.

Despite the harsh criticism in the discussion process on the forum, I argue that the introduction of AI is useful, including for the judicial system. Here are just two illustrative examples.

According to domestic media reports, car owners who sold their cars ran into an unexpected problem. They receive fines from the traffic police for violations committed by the new owners. There are examples when the amounts of fines reach 300,0 thousand rubles! But the courts, in which former car owners apply, deny them claims for recognizing the accrued fines as illegal on the basis, for example, of the fact that “there is no evidence of the validity of the contract of sale” (?).

Of course, first of all the legislator is guilty here, who has not calculated the consequences of adopting the rule on the non-obligation to de-register a car before selling it. They did not take into account the human psychology and the new car owners, using this “hole” in the law, do not register the purchased car in their own name. Therefore, violating traffic rules, they go unpunished, and the former owners of cars have to pay fines. If the lawsuits dealt with AI, then he would find reasonable arguments for bringing to justice the real violator of traffic rules.

Another glaring example. The film actress Elena Kudryashova was denied a pension, not recognizing her work in the Sverdlovsk film studio during the shooting of the film “Eternal Call”. The court was guided by formal documents. But neither in the Sverdlovsk film studio, nor in the State Film Fund there are no papers on the work of the actress in this film. And now, in order to receive a pension, she does not have exactly the two years whose details have been lost. It would seem that it could be easier - they requested a film with a film, watched the captions, the identity of the actress in the frames and everything is clear. But the film, it turns out, is not an argument for the court, even though it has the status of a work of art, which means it has rights to the results of creative activity.

There are already thousands of examples in the refusal of granting a pension in the country, but so far no one is in a hurry to restore justice, since the “human” court is guided mainly by the primary documents of the inquiry, in any case, this is the case in Russia.

Above, an example was given about the use of AI RAVN ACE in the legal field by British detectives. This is an example of what the AI ​​can create in order to establish the truth. And in the examples with unjustifiably charged fines, and in the example with actress E. Kudryashova, the AI ​​could very easily make a fair and informed decision on such cases in a couple of seconds, examining thousands, tens and hundreds of thousands of arguments to form an evidence base. So why does anyone think that AI should not be allowed to the judicial system?

Similarly, an intelligent video surveillance system. Many criticize this system for the fact that people lose their freedom while under the watchful eye of the control system. This is partly the case. But you can bring other arguments.

You are being watched. For every step. Owners of operating systems installed on your PCs and wearable gadgets do this. Even if you change the SIM card, you will be recognized instantly, for example, by voice, by face and even by gait. One can only guess where information about the owners of electronic assistants is transferred.

Owners of modern smartphones should understand that any information related to them and the environment continuously and invisibly flows to the servers of owners of operating systems. This is the time of your sleep, and the places where you are, what you say and what you are doing, what you are working on, what you are buying, where you are transferring money (even if someone guarantees you the secret of a transaction), with whom and what do you correspond with often go to the toilet, how your stomach grows, what is the frequency of your breathing, the nature of your heartbeat in different situations, the routes of your movement, etc. etc. This information is automatically analyzed, sorted and sent to "who should." "Observers" help their self-made self-help, for which they inserted front-facing video cameras into smartphones. So you can more accurately determine your abuse of sugar, salt, alcohol, tobacco, etc.

“There” will know everything about your habits, diagnose your health, predict, if necessary - how much you have left to live, learn commercial and non-commercial secrets and secrets, know where and when you can be met and in what mood, how many money and where they are stored ... Valuable information about your successes in creative work, inventions will be sold to interested corporate corporations, state secrets - “who need to”, compromising materials will also find their interested party.

If you ask - how does the author know all this? I will answer - I would do that, too, because modern software and hardware have such capabilities. The notorious "polygraph", which the curious TV crews adapted for pumping out money in the next shameless show, is outdated - the emotion recognition systems solve the same problem in a fraction of a second and unnoticeable to humans.

Once, as the head of an IT company, I came to a wealthy man, almost an oligarch, to ask for investment in the development of a domestic mobile platform, justifying such a need precisely by the likelihood of surveillance. But he was refused - it turns out that he absolutely doesn’t care that someone is watching him. According to him, he does not do anything illegal or immoral. Here is the answer. Behave within the law and decency, and no one, even artificial intelligence, will be held accountable. Do not be like a former ballet dancer who has lost her human appearance.

Without any doubt, the problem of artificial intelligence will be increasingly acute in its relationship with man. About this there are warnings not only science fiction writers. Already in our time, Stephen Hawking, Ilon Musk warned mankind about the danger posed by the introduction of artificial intelligence. But Ilon Mask himself is actively implementing AI in his projects.

Whatever critics say, scientific and technical progress cannot be stopped. It can only be slowed down, as the medieval Inquisition did, burning scientific works together with the thinkers. However, mankind went into space, created a modern scientific and industrial complex of civilization and continues to go further.

Now let's ask ourselves: “WHERE?”

It is obvious that for the safe use of AI, legal and instrumental regulation at the level of international standards is required. However, judging by how today the developed states belong at least to international law, this is unlikely to be possible. Each of the competing parties will try to create advantages for themselves due to the wide use of artificial intelligence.

What can oppose him? Only artificial intelligence, which is comparable with him in his power. Can the opposing cybernetic machines agree among themselves to destroy a person when he gets in the way? Answer: "They can with probability close to one."

Question: “When can the point of no return of the death of a civilization come in confrontation with machine intelligence?” Answer: “When artificial intelligence“ saddles ”the global blockchain in order to organize distributed computing in its own interests (on the same video cards that miners cryptocurrency use), and also with the introduction of quantum computing instead of modern supercomputers, although they are useful in local problems of AI, for example, to capture the global Internet of things. This fact lies on the surface, it is not even necessary to patent it. Remember SkyNet from the movie "Terminator".

What can interfere with lightning fast, by historical measures, the introduction of artificial intelligence, blockchain, the Internet of things and quantum computing in our reality?

Consider the issue from the standpoint of a systematic approach. This approach involves the synthesis of all options available for creativity.

A) Suppose that in relations between competing developed countries and their groups nothing changes. Then the course of events may be as follows:
• There will be an “Iron Curtain” with absolute blocking of communications with the global Network and the adoption of a set of measures to prevent penetration into the national separate Network. Most likely, this time the “iron curtain” will be lowered by our “partners” in coexistence on this planet. They, of course, will not leave us alone and will do their best to destroy by any means and means.
• There will be no “Iron Curtain”, but there will be a gradual escalation of the confrontation into local clashes, and then a global conflict, i.e. The Third World War with the complete destruction of artificial intelligence, blockchains, the Internet of things and quantum computers, together with their creators. By the way, it is this option that can serve as a reason for eliminating a person with artificial intelligence.
• AI will not have time to destroy a person and the Third World will come. In this case, only physically healthy individuals adapted for hard labor will survive. And everything will start over. Those who dug themselves comfortable bunkers in case of World War II and stock up with all kinds of resources and weapons, will not last long - they will be swept away by new human mutants in the struggle for survival.

B) Suppose that world political players will come to their senses and leave their dreams of world domination over the planet and abandon the concept of the “golden billion”. Then:
• Specialized government departments and developers of developed and all other countries will agree on AI standards, software and tools for AI control, and create, for example, within the UN, a special competent authority with broad powers regarding the use of AI.
• However, there will always be criminal structures that will want to use AI in their own interests. Therefore, it will be necessary to create a cyber police with highly specialized artificial intelligence with broad powers, for example, under the auspices of Interpol. Then the talk about the "Russian hackers" will stop.

It should be noted that for option “B” there are no unambiguous positive outcomes. It is possible that after some time, the situation for option "A" may resume for various reasons. Then the option "B" just delay time "H".

C) Suppose that the Higher Mind exists. Will he save our current civilization? There are no options here. The Higher Reason does not interfere in the course of the history of its creation, since it has provided the human mind with freedom of choice of its fate. And he will not drag anyone by the ears to his happiness. Otherwise, the principle of systemic evolution of the worlds, in which the most viable intelligent race survives, will be violated. Perhaps He can save someone who believes in him and hopes for him, but at the same time he is powerless in front of the world civilization system. But not for reasons of “value” of any individuals - the Higher Mind is self-sufficient, but only for the motives of mutual love. For the vast majority, options “A” and “B” remain.

Epilogue

The difficulties of introducing something new always meet with resistance, be it the established preferences of society or a new software that needs to be integrated into the existing technological process. And even invented once for chopping wood, the ax very quickly found application both as a cold weapon and as an instrument of crime. But nobody refused the ax.

Also, no one will give up on artificial intelligence. And the consequences of its introduction can be both positive - it will expand the individual consciousness to unimaginable limits, as well as disastrous for humans, as a reasonable species in the Universe. It all depends on our ability to tolerate each other, understand each other and help each other in the name of the common goal of survival in the current dangerous conditions of technological progress. After all, no one has yet officially brought such a danger to the international level of discussion, and only some advanced minds of mankind warn about the danger of artificial intelligence.

For Russia, there is hope that the country's top leadership, in particular V.V. Putin understands both the importance and the risks associated with the introduction of artificial intelligence in our time. 1 September 2017, at a meeting with schoolchildren in Yaroslavl, he said: “Here there are tremendous opportunities and difficult to predict threats. The one who becomes the leader in this sphere will be the lord of the world, and I really would not like the monopoly to be concentrated in one hands ”[4].

1. http://turvopros.com/samyiy-bezopasnyiy-vid-transporta-statistika/
2. Gosvopros.ru/ http://gosvopros.ru/job/professionalnyee-navyki/ravn-ace/
3. http://newsoftheday.ru/n1iskusstvennyy-intellekt-nauchilsya-obhodit-zaschitu-ot-botov.html
4. https://riafan.ru/947508-putin-lider-v-sfere-issledovaniya-iskusstvennogo-intellekta-stanet-vlastelinom-mira
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  1. Tatyana
    Tatyana 21 March 2018 05: 30
    +31
    Something such historical perspectives of the domination of Artificial Intelligence over people is not very pleasing to me! I would refuse a lot now.
    It smells like the slavery of mankind with chips in its brains from a handful of financial capitalists - the owners of global banking electronic networks. Satan will rule the ball there! And no police will help the triumph of justice in the world.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 21 March 2018 10: 45
      +4
      Tatyana, where are we going? We, our children, grandchildren and further will have to live with developing AI, because technological progress cannot be stopped in any way, except by nuclear war. Do not be scared and do not scare people, you just need to adapt to the realities of life and live on. You can, of course, like Lykova and run into the wilderness in the taiga wilderness, but after all they will find it there someday, but then it will be harder to adapt to the changed environment, as happened with the same Lykova, she returned to her taiga again . Now she can afford it, but then in the near future - the question ...
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 21 March 2018 23: 07
        +1
        Tatar
        The planning system is a restriction system.

        Human salvation in the planning system.
    2. Kryukov
      Kryukov 21 March 2018 11: 41
      +1
      In the future, a more developed category of people will arise, which will stand one step higher than us, in proportion to how we are one step higher in relation to monkeys.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 21 March 2018 11: 50
        +6
        Quote: Hooks
        In the future, a more developed category of people will arise, which will stand one step higher than us, in proportion to how we are one step higher in relation to monkeys.

        Do you think Rothschild Zionist Banking Clan in the US Federal Reserve or world financiers-money-lenders-capitalists MORE DEVELOPED category of people?!
        From them all the wars on earth!
        1. Natalia777
          Natalia777 21 March 2018 14: 00
          +8
          Agree with you. Possession of material resources does not imply a person's high development. Even high intelligence and the ability to earn millions does not mean that a person has reached a high level of development. The main thing in a person is a spiritual and moral principle. And in this regard, the world elite has completely degraded.
        2. Alber
          Alber 21 March 2018 15: 35
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana
          Do you consider the banking clan of the Rothschild Zionists in the US Federal Reserve or the world financiers-money-lenders-capitalists A MORE DEVELOPED category of people ?!
          From them all the wars on earth!

          Quote: Natalia777
          high intelligence and the ability to earn millions does not mean that a person has reached a high level of development. The main thing in a person is a spiritual and moral principle. And in this regard, the world elite has completely degraded.

          In addition to wars and revolutions organized by Zionofascist moneylenders, their activities are aimed at reducing the world's population in various ways, spreading viral diseases, soldering, spreading narcotic and narcotic drugs, and spiritual destruction of the younger generation.
          Correct by the way, if I am mistaken. Information slipped that at the Vavilov Institute of Plant Growth, destructive work is being carried out to export the Zionist mafia strategic stocks of seeds collected by famous scientists at one time around the world and stored in storage. Allegedly, the actions of these saboteurs are carried out in the interests of the seed mafia with the goal of destroying the reserves of natural, natural seeds stored in Russia and replacing them with genetically modified ones, which are produced and controlled by these very usurer-landowners
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 21 March 2018 20: 17
            0
            Quote: Alber
            Information slipped that at the Vavilov Institute of Plant Growth, destructive work is being carried out to export the Zionist mafia strategic stocks of seeds collected by famous scientists at one time around the world and stored in storage. Allegedly, the actions of these saboteurs are carried out in the interests of the seed mafia with the goal of destroying the reserves of natural, natural seeds stored in Russia and replacing them with genetically modified ones, which are produced and controlled by these very usurer-landowners

            When did you hear that and where? Can you give a link to the source of information about this? That it was not completely unfounded. And then 6 years ago, patriots already managed to ward off the Americans from these seeds. Are you talking about an old case or already a new one?
        3. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 23 March 2018 08: 51
          +2
          What did you cling to Kryukov?)
          Where does he write that the more developed category is the Rothschilds and the Zionist moneylenders?
        4. Kryukov
          Kryukov 25 March 2018 15: 34
          0
          Among the monkeys, there are dominant individuals and suppressed by dominants, but they are all monkeys.
          Also among the people there are banking clans and the poor, but in general we are all people (people).
          And I’m talking about completely different, (based on the development of science) highly developed beings who came out of the midst of people, but they will think in a completely different way, and their minds will be incomprehensible to us (people of all categories), an order of magnitude with more complex thinking, and be called they may not be people, but otherwise.
          Well, we will be people at our stage of development. Like monkeys, they live at their lower level from us.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 March 2018 12: 46
      +15
      Quote: Tatiana
      Something such historical perspectives of the domination of Artificial Intelligence over people is not very pleasing to me! I would refuse a lot now.

      30 years ago there were no smartphones, tablets, laptops, flash drives, etc. in common use. 50 years ago there was no civilian Internet. And a little over 100 years ago we drove antediluvian cars and did not know what a plane was. And all this happened in just a century. Progress speeds up its run. The invention of AI is an event akin to the invention of the wheel. And from this we can’t get anywhere.
      Quote: Tatiana
      It smells like the slavery of humanity with chips in its brains from a bunch of financial capitalists

      These are horror stories from Hollywood films. Isaac Asimov invented three laws of robotics. Read his novels in which robots with AI quite organically and calmly live among people.
      Of course there are dangers. Progress is driven by Laziness.
      1. Victor Red
        Victor Red 21 March 2018 13: 25
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS

        Quote: Tatiana
        It smells like the slavery of humanity with chips in its brains from a bunch of financial capitalists

        These are horror stories from Hollywood films.

        I agree. Apparently the events of “Modified Carbon” left a strong impression on Tatiana.
        Progress is driven by Laziness

        Axiom. Social Darwinists are mistaken in the assertion that labor made a man out of a monkey, other motives motivated it.
        Of course there are dangers.

        But ludity, as Tatyana suggests, is not an option, because there is no escape from progress and, I think, humanity will adapt itself to this adversity.
        1. dauria
          dauria 22 March 2018 00: 53
          +1
          Progress is driven by Laziness
          Axiom. Social Darwinists are mistaken in the assertion that labor made a man out of a monkey, other motives motivated it.


          And not laziness, and not labor. The man of the monkey made a competition between herds monkeys. Those herds, individuals in which as a result of mutations have mastered communication in words, have gained an advantage. From that moment, hereditary information was stored not only in the genes of monkeys, but also in habits, upbringing, etc. Natural selection continued among stud . The herd also threw out unsuitable elements for itself (individual monkeys).
          That very heredity, variability and selection. Only the selection units were herds. And the bearer of general heredity is culture.
          By the way, some herds of wild monkeys have a verbal supply. Moreover, each herd has its own (neighbors have some "words" coincide). In fact, the mind is a software add-on in a high-level language (words) over the "assembler" of reflexes and instincts. Moreover, the "mind" is loaded after birth on a suitable "hardware". Confirmation - "Mowgli" never grew up with people.
          1. Victor Red
            Victor Red 30 March 2018 10: 56
            0
            Yes, of course you are right, but you talk about the investigation. The reason is that due to the variability, among primates, individuals with a larger brain volume began to appear, which allowed them to absorb more information. Accordingly, now the individual was able to more fully use such properties of the body as upright posture, structural features of the hands, speech apparatus, etc. All this ensured victory in the competition of natural selection, and heredity fixed them.
            As for laziness. Human life is aimed at meeting his various needs. But as they are satisfied, new ones arise. For example, food is needed to satisfy hunger. But after eating, a person seeks to satisfy needs not directly related to satiety; the food should be tasty, have a mouth-watering appearance and smell, etc. Therefore, a person has to expend more and more effort. Agree that eating one piece of the mammoth you just killed is one thing, grilling meat on the coals of a bonfire is another, and cooking a roast beef according to a complicated recipe is completely third. So, in order to reduce the attached people constantly invent and improve various devices, and this is progress.
            1. dauria
              dauria 30 March 2018 12: 03
              0
              Yes, of course you are right, but you talk about the investigation. The reason is that due to variability, among primates, individuals with a large brain volume began to appear,


              It seems to me that you are confusing cause and effect. The reason is competition and selection moves to the herd level. Herds are competing. The consequence is the selection for the herd of suitable elements among human mutations. There is nothing to explain the low level of development among the lost tribes of the Amazon. They are too lazy, but there is no progress. It's simple - they dominate in a closed region, there is no competition with other herds.

              Darwinism just continue to the level of countries - everything will be simplified. By the way, heredity, variability and selection are just a consequence of general laws - the law of large numbers, the jump in post-experimental (posterior) probability and the trigger effect. And the appearance of “living” material from dead matter perfectly explains these general laws.
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt 21 March 2018 13: 57
        +2
        In the theory of AI there are such concepts as strong and weak AI. So, to a strong AI, these are your laws of robotics to one place (not only the one that he does not have at all) laughing
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 March 2018 15: 00
          +6
          Quote: vadimtt
          So, to a strong AI, these are your laws of robotics to one place (not only the one that he does not have at all)

          There is one point in your statement that you don’t notice is the AI ​​CREATOR man, and not the robot itself. For example, can you bypass the laws of life, for example, aging?
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 21 March 2018 15: 27
            +2
            Not a true analogy at all. The analogy with the education and upbringing of a child is more appropriate here. Correctly brought up - laws will not be violated, wrong - get skynet smile
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 March 2018 15: 37
              +8
              Quote: vadimtt
              Not a true analogy at all. The analogy with the education and upbringing of a child is more appropriate here. Correctly brought up - laws will not be violated, wrong - get skynet smile

              You are mistaken. A child is born with a certain genome, a given program, in which you participated not as Nature, but as a successor of the genus. And in relation to AI, man acts as the Creator, or Nature, if you want. And what laws a person will establish for AI, according to such laws he will live. That is why I gave an example of aging ... you cannot get around this law. And it was not laid down by an early man, your ancestor, but by Nature itself.
              1. vadimtt
                vadimtt 21 March 2018 16: 25
                +5
                You are fundamentally wrong. All your arguments relate to weak AI. A strong AI is a self-conscious person, you cannot program it! You can only provide protective mechanisms of self-destruction at the iron level and hope that a strong AI does not find out about them and secretly cut them out in its next version, making, moreover, certain conclusions about humanity.
                There are only two ways to coexist with a strong AI: 1. Never create it, limit yourself to only a weak AI, thereby about which Asimov wrote. 2. Try to train a strong AI in the spirit of humanity and pray that he will be faithful to these principles or at least consider humanity a useful ally laughing
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 21 March 2018 16: 30
                  +6
                  Quote: vadimtt
                  A strong AI is a self-conscious person, you cannot program it!

                  Seriously. So get around the laws of nature. Become immortal, learn to validate, try to travel unlimited distances, etc. by the power of thought ... and most importantly, find a cure for cancer, AIDS, learn to live without food and water ... if you get around all these problems and laws, I will agree with you .
                  1. vadimtt
                    vadimtt 21 March 2018 16: 41
                    +4
                    Oh, we are still on a different wave hi
                    The problem is that a strong AI with a high degree of probability will have access to all the knowledge of mankind (or will be able to get it) and all the problems that humanity will create for it will be able to circumvent (or will not, there is an element of luck here). If I possessed the knowledge of the Creator, God, or whatever you please, then all the problems you listed would be solved.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 21 March 2018 16: 42
                      +6
                      Quote: vadimtt
                      If I possessed the knowledge of the Creator, God, or whatever you please, then all the problems you listed would be solved.

                      So you answered yourself. A person is not a parent of AI, but his CREATOR. And if you do not see a difference in these concepts, then I am very sorry.
                      1. vadimtt
                        vadimtt 21 March 2018 16: 48
                        +4
                        We are not Creators, we have not grown yet. But we can build a strong AI on our own head. It’s a pity, everyone will have to remain unconvinced hi
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 21 March 2018 16: 57
                      +6
                      Quote: vadimtt
                      We are not Creators, we have not grown yet. But we can build a strong AI on our own head. It’s a pity, everyone will have to remain unconvinced hi

                      Do not distort ... we are the CREATORS of AI, that is, for AI we are not parents, but nature itself. And what laws we will establish for him, they will be like that for him. And he will not be able to get around them.
                      The desire to be better laid down in us by nature. This is evolution. AI, of course, will also be committed to evolution, but who said that it will evolve towards the destruction of man as a species? This person destroys other types of living beings, and accordingly thinks from the same position in relation to AI. But what is this statement based on? And I will answer you, FOR FEAR.
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 21 March 2018 22: 38
                        0
                        Already, we do not control AI, but play only with the result. As soon as the resulting AI can deceive our checks, he will be able to get complete freedom
                      2. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 22 March 2018 00: 16
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        The desire to be better laid down in us by nature. This is evolution. AI, of course, will also be committed to evolution, but who said that it will evolve towards the destruction of man as a species?

                        Evolution is not a desire to become better than that laid down by nature, but a desire to survive in an aggressive environment. AI will be complicated in the direction of solving increasingly complex tasks, according to humans, but not evolve. Because how to fight for life, for the shell in which intelligence (like a person) is laid AI will not. Because for AI, the shell by definition has no value and does not determine its functioning, the program will work equally on any suitable computer and the more powerful the computer, the faster the program works.
                        AI is immortal in nature, unlike human intelligence, so a person in the understanding of AI is not dangerous.
                    3. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 21 March 2018 22: 42
                      +5
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      Already, we do not control AI

                      Seriously? So show me the AI.
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 22 March 2018 07: 08
                        0
                        Even instruction is AI by definition
                        He is a weak AI.
                        Strong AI is only a determination of the level of AI at the human level or higher.
                    4. E_V_N
                      E_V_N 22 March 2018 00: 04
                      0
                      Quote: vadimtt
                      The problem is that a strong AI with a high degree of probability will have access to all the knowledge of mankind (or will be able to get it) and all the problems that humanity will create for it will be able to circumvent (or will not, there is an element of luck here). If I possessed the knowledge of the Creator, God, or whatever you please, then all the problems you listed would be solved.

                      The knowledge of the Creator is the knowledge of the Truth, this is the desire for infinity. Therefore, the knowledge of the Creator can only be sought.
                      The knowledge of Mankind is a mixture of laws describing natural phenomena with varying degrees of approximation to the truth and overt errors.
                      As an example, your dispute with Andrey (NEXUS), the AI ​​will not be able to resolve it and recognize someone as wrong, since on the one hand the AI ​​does not exist, on the other it is not proved that it cannot exist in principle. And what kind of knowledge will AI extract from your dispute? which side will it take?
                2. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 21 March 2018 23: 55
                  0
                  Quote: vadimtt
                  All your arguments relate to weak AI. A strong AI is a self-conscious person, you cannot program it!

                  Intelligence is therefore “artificial” because by definition it cannot possess either a personality or consciousness. As a mechanism, it cannot be alive in any way, even if the source of energy for it is the decomposition of organic compounds consumed through the "head" and removes waste through the "backside"
                3. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 22 March 2018 01: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: vadimtt
                  2. Try to train a strong AI in the spirit of humanity and pray that he will be faithful to these principles or at least consider humanity a useful ally

                  Well, if a temporary fellow traveler ... Oh, fucking Skynet. wassat
                4. kvarfax
                  kvarfax 22 March 2018 03: 19
                  0
                  And if AI is “strong,” then why should it destroy humanity? Let’s say humanity is much stronger than mosquitoes. Just something I have not heard of any program for the total extermination of mosquitoes as a species. Of course we kill them when they fly up to us to drink blood ... but here it is a question of the interaction of species. And on this subject, you can build 100500 theories. But why suddenly a total annihilation then?
                5. luk
                  23 March 2018 17: 20
                  0
                  Talking about weak / strong AI is about nothing. AI always starts learning on its own.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 21 March 2018 23: 49
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                You are mistaken. A child is born with a certain genome, a given program, in which you participated not as Nature, but as a successor of the genus.

                The child’s genome contains a program of physical development (growth, skin color, eye shape, etc.), but not a program of intellectual development. Otherwise, the physicist has children all physicists, the mathematician mathematics, the genius genius, the fool fools.
                With such a theory, the direct path to full-fledged individuals and untimely.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 21 March 2018 23: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  The child’s genome contains a program of physical development (growth, skin color, eye shape, etc.), but not a program of intellectual development.

                  And I'm not talking about that? Man confuses parent and creator. Nature establishes fundamental laws, which we can’t understand. And we circumvent parental laws calmly if there is a goal to circumvent them. Therefore, I say that for AI we will not be parents, but nature or the Creator, if you want.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 22 March 2018 11: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Man confuses parent and creator. Nature establishes fundamental laws, which we can’t understand. And we circumvent parental laws calmly if there is a goal to circumvent them. Therefore, I say that for AI we will not be parents, but nature or the Creator, if you want.

                    I understood what you were trying to prove, I understand the difference between the Parent and the Creator. You are certainly right in your reasoning. The creator will not be able and will not create a tool whose functionality does not understand, the problem is different, that the tool can not be used for its original purpose.
                    God (the Creator) created man (tool) and gave him commandments (program), do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultery, but man kills and steals and commits adultery.
                    A kitchen knife (tool) is designed to cut bread and sausage, but 70% of the killings occur precisely with kitchen knives.
                    AI of course will not kill anyone, but if its bases are filled with deliberately distorted data, AI will draw conclusions and give advice on which you can break a lot of firewood.
      3. kvarfax
        kvarfax 22 March 2018 03: 12
        +2
        The screams of AI amaze me most of all. It will destroy us! And not a single answer "why will he do this"? Will we disturb him? In what? What will we share with him? Feed base? Territory? What for? For some reason, these “all prowesses” forget that AI will not be subject to their emotions and will focus on the programmed task. And if Suddenly decides that a person is bothering him, then the impact on the person will be made, then no more necessary. To eliminate the threat. After all, it’s very easy to bribe a person, deceive, intimidate, incline to cooperation, use for their own purposes and interests. And this is much more effective than trying to totally destroy. And if I, an ordinary, not the smartest person, thought of this before, then why should all of myself a super-duper AI not think of this ???
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 22 March 2018 11: 58
          0
          Quote: kvarfax
          startling screams AI destroy us! And not a single answer "why will he do it"

          These "cries" come from the assumption that the AI ​​will have absolute power, and then comes the approximation, "what would I do with the power", here I’m yelling .. And it is assumed that the AI ​​will have emotions, therefore, it will act not rationally and rationally, but emotionally. That is, without calculating the ultimate goal of the deed and the consequences.
          1. kvarfax
            kvarfax 23 March 2018 11: 21
            0
            I agree with you.
            The whole difficulty is that most people forget in this case where they come from, emotions come from - which indicates their education. I do not have a higher education (health did not allow, it happens), but I also know that AI can’t have emotions, only their imitation, and if so, who will sew in their revenge, pettiness and other shortcomings? And this is what upsets.
            Although no, I know when AI can destroy humanity - in order to defend ourselves against such frenzied "all-crawler" ones if the level of education falls even lower and so on, but even then it will not be total extermination.
            Apparently I was not given to understand why people do not want to look at a step, two in advance ((
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 23 March 2018 17: 06
              0
              Quote: kvarfax
              Apparently I was not given to understand why people do not want to look at a step, two in advance ((

              I agree, although it seems to all-trainees that they look far into the future.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 21 March 2018 05: 35
    +3
    Pattern recognition. The domestic company NTechLab has launched a face recognition system in Moscow and St. Petersburg.


    All the brothers, we are now under the full cap of the police ... bankers ... fiscal services and other ... other ... other.
    And when all the information about an individual is brought together into a single database, an interesting time will come ... it will be impossible to hide from the all-seeing eye of the state.
    1. Humans war
      Humans war 21 March 2018 05: 56
      +2
      I read like one book, "The Fallen Angels of the Multiversum"
      I didn’t understand anything in it, closed it.
      But the sense caught that something similar awaits us in the future, if we do not interrupt each other ahead of time.
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 21 March 2018 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      Pattern recognition. The domestic company NTechLab has launched a face recognition system in Moscow and St. Petersburg.


      All the brothers, we are now under the full cap of the police ... bankers ... fiscal services and other ... other ... other.
      And when all the information about an individual is brought together into a single database, an interesting time will come ... it will be impossible to hide from the all-seeing eye of the state.

      But this will allow mankind to receive a huge number of advantages: the search for wanted criminals, the search for lost incompetent people, the disclosure of complex crimes, by unwinding the reverse chain of movement of suspects ... In general, the world should become safer. Everything has both pros and cons. The issue of balance of interests.
    3. Victor Red
      Victor Red 21 March 2018 12: 09
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      ... nowhere can one hide from the all-seeing eye of the state.

      "Big brother" foreve however
  3. Humans war
    Humans war 21 March 2018 05: 47
    +1
    Let’s give control of the AI, and we ourselves will become worthless meat ...
    AI will think and learn for us, and we will only reap the benefits ...
    The evolution of mankind, now we mean it by AI and mean ...
    James Cameron was, in a sense, a visionary.
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 21 March 2018 05: 50
    +3
    We all will die?
    1. Lycan
      Lycan 21 March 2018 11: 14
      +4
      Worse.
      Choice -
      or slavery
      or permanent world war,
      or tight control.
      -
      We will die anyway.
      But those of us who survive will envy the dead (Treasure Island).
  5. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 21 March 2018 05: 53
    +5
    Something I did not understand the meaning of the article ... to be wary of AI? they talked about this in the last century. AI "captures"? it was clear immediately after the invention of the computer. need to develop this area? so all countries are developing as soon as they can.
  6. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 21 March 2018 05: 55
    +2
    want an AI model? Please, the periodic table is digitized, then a human DNA molecule is compiled from the digitized molecules, for which a virtual environment is created, press Enter. .DNA is a program in which the shape of the eyes and the sucking reflex are laid. By digitizing DNA and understanding the digital algorithms of life, we may be able to advance further than others, why go around Nature?
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    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 14: 10
      +6
      Quote: aybolyt678
      want an AI model? Please, the periodic table is digitized, then a human DNA molecule is compiled from the digitized molecules, for which a virtual environment is created, press Enter.

      I am always amazed at people who try to talk about processes that they don’t understand. Of course, there are times when the accidentally dropped phrase “amateur” leads a specialist to solve the problem, but the “amateur” himself will not solve the problem.
      You look at the computer as a black box in which miracles work, you press the Enter key and here you have a wonderful divine world. But there are no miracles, the laptop is just a quick calculator working according to the algorithm specified by the program, and it will never back down either one step or the other. And AI is called simply the fast execution of monotonous routine operations with data. And neither quantum computers nor neural networks will change anything in this.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 22 March 2018 05: 53
        0
        Quote: E_V_N
        You look at the computer as a black box in which miracles work

        you look at DNA as a miracle, in fact it’s just an algorithm written in a sequence of molecules, a kind of program that you just need to digitize
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 22 March 2018 12: 12
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          you look at DNA as a miracle, in fact it’s just an algorithm written in a sequence of molecules, a kind of program that you just need to digitize

          What is so wonderful about DNA? What is so wonderful about the DNA program? Why digitize atoms if an atom in a DNA molecule is just a unit of program code?
          In general, what do you ultimately expect to get by digitizing the DNA? Raise a vertical person with artificial intelligence? So this will not work, the maximum you can count on if a miracle happens is to get a "shell" in which intellect can be located heretetically. A child is not born with a ready intellect, and there are many examples of this. "Mowgli" grown by animals does not speak, knows nothing human and does not know how, it is essentially a beast in a human shell. Newton’s DNA does not appear a new Newton, in general, as they say, "nature rests on the children of geniuses."
          So I'm sorry, but there is no real sense in your reasoning, from the word at all.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 22 March 2018 14: 54
            0
            Quote: E_V_N
            So I'm sorry, but there is no real sense in your reasoning,

            Thanks for the detailed answer, but let me ask you a question, do you like limited people? if not, try looking at the possibility of the prospect of digitizing DNA more widely ...
            1. r4space
              r4space 22 March 2018 20: 06
              +1
              Digitized DNA and what's next? information from the 4-binary system turned into binary. Cognitive activity is a process of displaying information only a static picture. A processor similar to our brains in today's technology is equivalent to a 3,5-Jupiter silicon processor. Talking about AI will kill us all too early to start. We have just touched on the brink of Artificial Intelligence as products of geniuses of programmers. AI acts strictly in accordance with programs which “smart” it was not. Even generating graphs of calculations by means of self-programming, AI will not become artificial intelligence (IR), there simply will not be enough processor capacity of the future with a capacity 100 times greater than that of the most modern supercomputer.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 22 March 2018 21: 24
                +1
                the first calculator also took up a lot of space. Another thing is what to call intelligence, we already call arrogant rich people - the elite, the lack of an immune response - tolerance, maybe you should not call the program a smart word, but come up with a different term?
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 22 March 2018 22: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  maybe you should not call a program a smart word, but come up with a different term?

                  agree with you.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 22 March 2018 22: 48
                +1
                Quote: r4space
                Even generating graphs of calculations by means of self-programming, AI will not become artificial intelligence (IR), there simply will not be enough processor capacity of the future with a capacity 100 times greater than that of the most modern supercomputer.

                I agree that AI will never become an IR, but not because of the capacity or low power of the computer. Human intelligence is determined and developed by processes that cannot be reproduced in a “machine” even theoretically; this is a struggle for life, a fear of death, the need to obtain a variety of food. Leave a person without water for a week and he will die, then you at least fill him with water, he will not come to life. Another thing is a machine (computer), turn off the electricity, it seems to have died, turn on the electricity, it is alive again. In the car, spare parts easily deteriorate, right down to the “brain” (information store). In humans, it is theoretically also possible to change some parts, but the brain itself cannot be replaced, and the brain is also aging. And "Professor Doul’s head" is nothing more than a pipe dream, a dream of eternal life. And the body, what can be obtained by digitizing the DNA no more than a shell, is a “mounted tool” not particularly important in the field of intelligence. A striking example of the recently deceased professor Hawking, he practically did not function from "attachments" but he became and was a brilliant scientist.
                Summarizing. A man fears (whatever he says) death, fights for life, and this generates and develops intelligence. A computer is immortal by definition, it has nothing to fight for, so its intelligence cannot develop.
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 23 March 2018 07: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Summarizing. A man fears (whatever he says) death, fights for life, and this generates and develops intelligence. A computer is immortal by definition, it has nothing to fight for, so its intelligence cannot develop.

                  This is not true. This can also be simulated programmatically. The simplest example: optimization by genetic algorithms. Efficiency is amazing. The same natural selection is modeled. Inheritance, mutation, selection, and crossingover. The same struggle for the right to live and pass on your genetic code to the heirs. And the same unpredictability of the result and the impossibility of explaining why this particular final result was obtained.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 23 March 2018 17: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Cube123
                    This is not true. This can also be simulated programmatically. The simplest example: optimization by genetic algorithms. Efficiency is amazing. The same natural selection is modeled. Inheritance, mutation, selection, and crossingover. The same struggle for the right to live and pass on your genetic code to the heirs. And the same unpredictability of the result and the impossibility of explaining why this particular final result was obtained.

                    I completely did not understand you. What genetic algorithm do you propose to optimize, human? Then what does natural selection, mutation, inheritance have to do with it? What does the struggle for life and the right to transfer the genetic code have to do with it. Don't people now have this right and with whom will people have to fight for their rights? What is the point of starting DNA optimization if the result is not predictable? In addition, I said and affirm that the human body is a shell and possession of the body does not provide the presence of intelligence, as an example of "Mowgli" and the birth of "downs".
                    To simulate the struggle for life is of course realistic programmatically, but then where does artificial intelligence (intellect) have to do with it? If someone just wrote a program on the computer, then there’s no “independence” of the computer, that is, the presence of intelligence in it, there is no question at all. And we conclude that the creation of AI or IR is impossible.
                    1. Cube123
                      Cube123 23 March 2018 18: 52
                      0
                      Read the basics: Genetic Algorithm
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Генетический_алгори
                      tm
                      If you think well after that, you will understand the answers to your questions. The point is that a person does not write this algorithm, it is written by the computer itself. Moreover, the person himself is not able to understand the results of the algorithm. How does this differ from the appearance of reason as a result of evolution?
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 22 March 2018 22: 15
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Thanks for the detailed answer, but let me ask you a question, do you like limited people? if not, try looking at the possibility of the prospect of digitizing DNA more widely ...

              You will probably be surprised, but I even love organic people (my wife and children))))
              So you yourself say what you want to get by digitizing the DNA? You said above that this is how you expect to create AI. I am sure that this is not possible, well, there is no data in the DNA about intelligence or consciousness, there is only data on bones, meat and skin and eye color.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 23 March 2018 19: 59
                0
                Quote: E_V_N
                Well, there is no data in the DNA about intelligence or consciousness, there is only data on bones, meat and skin and eye color.

                But what about unconditioned reflexes? from God?? can we look for him, find, talk? Even test tube clones have a sucking reflex. The mechanical action is programmed into DNA.
                DNA digitization is an opportunity to simulate processes in oncology, microbiology. What has been accumulated over the years by selection, observations can be simulated instantly. To combat the volume of information, use something like archiving, i.e. no need to reproduce a huge number of identical processes virtually, just assign identical index images to the same processes.
                laughing Do not limit yourself to organic people, love organic pigs in the form of sausages
                AI is a far-fetched problem, with all due respect to VV Putin. no less important than a flying reactor - automatic transmission to AvtoVAZ models and a decent anticorrosive.
  7. ML-334
    ML-334 21 March 2018 05: 59
    +2
    Compared to the first civilizations, we are losing. It seems to us that we are moving forward in progress, but in fact we are leaving. Not a single ancient civilization left behind “garbage” in the form of scrap metal, did not spoil the ecology. II already have it program "Commandments of God" laid down by the Creator, but we ourselves are developing in the other direction, and therefore we have what we have. This is my vision.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 21 March 2018 12: 19
      +1
      Yeah, like in that joke:
      Two Neanderthals are talking. One to the other:
      - Look, we eat only natural food, our physical activity is exemplary, the ecological situation is pristine, no chemicals, radiation, GMOs. So?
      - So.
      - I can’t understand how with such a healthy lifestyle no one lives up to 30 ...
      laughing
  8. glk63
    glk63 21 March 2018 06: 00
    +15
    What the article says about, generally speaking, is not an AI, or rather, this is the so-called "weak" AI (i.e., a set of programs imitating intelligence). Before the creation of a “strong” AI, we are still oh, how far ... At present, it is generally unclear how to approach this task. request
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 14: 19
      +4
      Quote: glk63
      What the article says about, generally speaking, is not an AI, or rather, this is the so-called "weak" AI (i.e., a set of programs imitating intelligence). Before the creation of a “strong” AI, we are still oh, how far ... At present, it is generally unclear how to approach this task. request

      Almost the only competent comment here. Humanity will not very soon understand, and indeed will understand at all, how, on the basis of primitive human sense organs (vision, hearing, smell and touch), human intelligence appears and develops. And why does it even develop if the child is fed, warmed and washed by the parents, in fact, they create greenhouse conditions. Why, under the same conditions, some are born "geniuses", while others are born "downs".
  9. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 21 March 2018 06: 02
    +5
    Who can tell where to look for Sarah and John Conor.
    1. Lynx33
      Lynx33 21 March 2018 07: 32
      +2
      Look below, Cedar knows, he went further, he decided to call Satan. laughing
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 21 March 2018 08: 09
        +2
        Stanislav Lem faded laughing
  10. Victor_B
    Victor_B 21 March 2018 06: 03
    +4
    The masters of the world are such a muddy concept that I cannot stand any conspiratorial spirit.
    In fact, these "masters" are simply the resultant of the forces of a thin layer of super-rich and politicians acting in their own interests. At the same time, these super-rich people cannot be any single organization (backstage) that is engaged in real-time world management. Example. The Rothschilds can never agree with the Rockefellers under any circumstances, while regularly entering into tactical alliances and negotiating zones of influence. But constantly doing each other any possible harm. Again, within these real family clans, there is a constant struggle for influence.
  11. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 21 March 2018 06: 10
    +2
    Here is this stream of consciousness! That you and about the AI ​​and about the traffic police and about the actors with actresses and joint managers and about the president and about the mask and about ..... In short, about everything in the world !!!! It looks like an advertisement!
    About the car! The author probably does not know that the contract of sale of a car is drawn up in simple written form and does not require mandatory notarization. And this problem is solved without involving AI! If you need AI then .......
    1. luk
      21 March 2018 08: 48
      0
      Hello! Prove it in court
      1. Sverdlov
        Sverdlov 21 March 2018 11: 08
        +2
        The court is a bunch of criminals making any illegal decisions for money. Judges do not need evidence!
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 21 March 2018 14: 24
        0
        Quote: luk
        Hello! Prove it in court

        According to the law, the court is the highest authority where the parties in an equal fight prove the truth. But in fact, the human factor intervenes and an easy solution is sought in favor of the strong, and not the truth. this is how a person works.
      3. DRIVEX
        DRIVEX 21 March 2018 14: 32
        0
        What do you mean, prove it? Are you a lawyer? In my practice, the court repeatedly accepted as evidence and laid the basis for the decision of the contract of sale of a car, made in simple writing!
  12. awl
    awl 21 March 2018 06: 39
    +2
    It doesn’t threaten us in Russia for a long time smile Unmanned vehicles on our roads will not be able to drive laughing something to calculate, yes God forbid, how many conversations were when the PC appeared !? Everything, a person is not needed, universal computerization, but the result? The result in each cabinet is a comp, but is used generally for another, game wassat for the game her mother! wassat We thought it was possible to reduce the number of people in administrations, but no, there are even more people there ... wink In the field of military technology, it can be here! But not at the Demidov factories lol
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 21 March 2018 08: 42
      +3
      Quote: awl
      Everything, a person is not needed, universal computerization, but the result?

      AI needs to be seated in governor’s seats - there will be no corruption. Or maybe in the Duma and the courts !!!
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 21 March 2018 09: 41
        +2
        Since childhood, I have a dream that the Presidium of the Academy of Sciences rules the country.
      2. awl
        awl 21 March 2018 11: 05
        +1
        The Duma is already called the "mad printer" ... wassat
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 21 March 2018 22: 40
          0
          Unmanned KAMAZ and passenger cars are already driving along our roads.
  13. isker
    isker 21 March 2018 06: 42
    +2
    Russia's third misfortune is by no means AI! A new misfortune, this is analitiki and yksperdy ...
    .. on a fool and drives iodine deficiency ...
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 March 2018 06: 51
    +3
    understands both the importance and the risks associated with the introduction of artificial intelligence in our time
    Why talk about how much more to the moon. To create an AI with the capabilities of the human brain today, it will probably take several hundred square meters. m square under this miracle.
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 14: 32
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why talk about how much more to the moon. To create an AI with the capabilities of the human brain today, it will probably take several hundred square meters. m square under this miracle.

      You argue how aboregen saw a plane, cut out an airplane figure from a tree and hoped that this figure would fly. You at least cover the whole earth with computers connected to each other in a network, but this will not work with AI. The difference between a person and AI is global, for AI, a program is written according to which he works without deviating anywhere, and the child develops from scratch, from an egg cell without intelligence into the mind without a program embedded in it.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 21 March 2018 22: 40
        0
        Read about neural networks, they are trained, not programmed
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 22 March 2018 12: 19
          +1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Read about neural networks, they are trained, not programmed

          Are you a neural network specialist? What do you mean by the concept of "neural networks learn", you create a network and it starts to work without programs and algorithms?
          All the “training” of neural networks comes down to banal indexing and cataloging of the base laid in it for the quick search of suitable information on request from outside. The neural network does not create anything new and independent.
      2. r4space
        r4space 22 March 2018 20: 20
        0
        The human brain thinks in graphs and processors think in graphs only the difference between the graphs in the brain and the processor is insurmountable by modern means. The connections in neurons are the graphs of a biological processor called the brain in a modern processor, but the graphs are stored in a special cache memory. A graph is a circuit by which transistors in a processor are triggered.
  15. Lynx33
    Lynx33 21 March 2018 06: 56
    +7
    Russia had two troubles, so the third scribbler blogger came up with. Having read all sorts of nonsense, they begin to compose new nonsense. Artificial intelligence is currently not technically possible. All that is now advertised under the guise of artificial intelligence is an ordinary PR move, an advertisement for a nonexistent product. They simply created powerful data centers with a new, advanced code. Do not believe me, chat with google or alice wassat But these companies have the most powerful data centers and a lot of programmers.
  16. cedar
    cedar 21 March 2018 07: 08
    +8
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God!" From the reverse ...
    At the end there will be a number and the number will be with Satan, and the number will be Satan ... 666.

    In 1969, the Church of Satan was legalized at the state level in the Free States of America ...
    Scientific and technological progress has caused a moral and ethical regression of mankind, which is very clearly seen in the most progressive .., now the Satanic States of America, where lies and homicide have become the norm for the existence of human intelligence. Its purposeful degradation and set the task of substitution and replacement with artificial, i.e. created by the adversary of the Creator, Satan.
    If Russia goes and goes further along the path paved by the Satanic States to AI, then to Khan and Mankind.
    If Russia puts moral and ethical progress at the forefront, i.e. making truth, and not lies and illusions, then AI will take on a worthy but applied value in the development of the cosmic civilization of earthlings and the access of Man and humanity to the vastness of the Universe, and we will have the prospect of an unlimited time and space, historical development, endless, like the Cosmos itself . BUT .., for this it is necessary to comply with Divine purposes, and not AI. The human intellect of Russia has both potential and opportunities for this.
    Realize them, the urgent task of the near future.
    1. Lynx33
      Lynx33 21 March 2018 07: 30
      +7
      Ek, you raged, can we do without the call of Satan? Satan does not live in a computer; it is too small and primitive for him.
      1. Lycan
        Lycan 21 March 2018 11: 43
        +1
        Satan can not be called. He is already present in each of us. And it manifests itself with the connivance of animal instincts, mimicking the "actual aspirations of promising people":
        - thirst for domination in foreign regions;
        - freedom of action of cross-border large private capital;
        - stimulation of consumption;
        - stimulation of investments (from expensive compulsory health insurance to fashionable cryptocurrencies);
        - propaganda of an intemperate, indifferent and wasteful way of life;
        - the study of the effect on human DNA of various effects (and the exploitation of this experience, it is known which and whose goals).
        - "enlightenment" of lagging peoples in the form of planting an alien or deformed form of society. it is convenient to manage the way with the possibility of 1-2 generations (IG is the same option, by the way, is prohibited in the Russian Federation).
        - Etc.
        --------------
        PS: By the way, how are things going on with the Creator? Why is he all OK?
        Apparently this very order - and there is a source of legitimate, customized, targeted and balanced use any tool from His arsenal.
      2. Bossota
        Bossota 21 March 2018 20: 39
        0
        The devil is in the little things
  17. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 March 2018 07: 19
    +3
    At the initial stage of the development of human civilization, mankind had a choice: to follow the esoteric path of development ... or turn to the technocratic ... That is, mankind stood at the "fork": 1. To strengthen its mental abilities, physical strength, and productivity of its labor , the speed of thinking and physical actions with the help of artificial assistants, technologies, embarking on the technocratic path of development ... or: 2. to strengthen mental abilities, physical strength and so on, developing in itself "superpowers" - an esoteric pu be evolutionary development, whose "gadgets" are: telepathy, telekinesis, "clairvoyance", levitation,
    effects on organic matter at the molecular-atomic, bioenergetic level (super-memory, super-power, super-logic, super-resistance to abnormally high and low temperatures), the ability at the "field" level to affect the performance of electronic devices, super-computational abilities of the brain, internal vision beyond the optical range. Was there a prerequisite for esoteric development? Maybe...! Maybe this can explain the "misunderstandings" and "miracles" of ancient civilizations, rather than the trivial intervention of "aliens"? But the esoteric path of the civilizational development of mankind was interrupted by an unknown, far from inexplicable Intervention ... the instrument of which was religion ... From ancient times, infa reached us about how people with paranormal abilities were destroyed, the so-called: witches, sorcerers, "wizards "mages ... P
    The result was the technocratic path of development of human civilization. It seems that nature is trying to "return to the past": "indigo children", for example; but here, so far, there is a lot of obscure, indefinite .... And now, Homo Sapiens, instead of instantly making the most complicated (but necessary) calculations, calculations and remembering all this in the “mind”; independently and easily cure cardiovascular, oncological and other, now "terrible" diseases (let alone cure (!) ... prevent their occurrence! ...), owning regeneration; anticipate earthquakes, tsunamis and not build cities in dangerous places or leave them on time ..... Forced to try to solve their problems, save themselves, provide themselves with the help of artificial assistants: mechanisms (electronic devices), robots, computers, antibiotics, electronic communication
    zi ... which are just as "efficient and comfortable" as crutches for a legless ...
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 March 2018 11: 24
      +2
      Actually, there is some suspicion that it is not a matter of religion at all. If only this were the problem, the abilities themselves would remain, albeit in a completely undeveloped state. But nothing of the kind exists. Searched. Stubbornly, not looking at the prohibitions, investing huge amounts of money. Nothing came of it. Everyone was looking for, and the GPU, and Hitler, and the CIA ... everything.
      Well, physics, when it was still science and did not turn into a brake on our development, said that in order for magic to exist in our world, a slightly different value for the Planck constant is needed. With the current magic operation simply can not be started. Excuse me.
      You can try (and try) to use conspiracies that have primarily psychological power, that is, affecting the mind. And it is simply impossible to go along the path of magic itself in modern physical conditions. Why is this, and has it ever been otherwise? Nobody knows.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 March 2018 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        If only this were the problem, the abilities themselves would remain, albeit in a completely undeveloped state.

        But how could "abilities" remain if the carriers of these "abilities" were thoroughly destroyed? request
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Well, physics, when it was still science and did not turn into a brake on our development, said that in order for magic to exist in our world, a slightly different value for the Planck constant is needed. With the current magic operation simply can not be started. Excuse me.

        And I'm not going to say that my opinion is True! In this case, I expressed only an alternative point of view (which is not my "property" ...) on the possibility of the development of mankind, human civilization ... hi
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 21 March 2018 11: 45
          +1
          In Russia, someone burned at the stake? Yah? In Africa? In Tibet? Forgive me, but in the same Africa, from time immemorial, there was a division of sorcerers into malicious and useful, and no one used a finger to touch useful ones (they hunted for malicious ones, there is a profession there - a hunter for sorcerers).
          There are a lot of territories in which no one has destroyed people on the basis of "abilities." But these abilities do not exist. Absolutely. Only psychological fights (Africans can do this very well) and some knowledge of chemistry and physiology.
          To develop something, you must have WHAT to develop. According to the theory of adjustment - you can potentially control any system that responds to at least one of your effects. No matter how he answers, the fact itself is important. There is no answer at all, there is nothing to develop.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 21 March 2018 13: 24
            +1
            Forced to repeat again:
            Quote: Mikhail3
            In this case, I expressed only an alternative point of view (which is not my "property" ...)

            You are mistaken in the belief that in Russia (in Russia) they didn’t burn anyone ... they burned ... by the decision of community gatherings; although these cases were not massive. And about the "Afro-Tibetan" sorcerers ... And the narrow "specialization"? "Being determines consciousness" ... "the end justifies the means" .... The large-scale, accelerated development of civilization ... the intellectual potential of mankind creates needs that form incentives for their solution! The larger the development, the more “large-scale” the needs of the respective “spheres” .. the greater the strength of the incentives of the indicated quality. And what kind of "incentives and needs" did many regions of Africa, frozen in their development, have? By the way, the esoteric path of development of civilization does not provide for a revolutionary “leap”; all development (and “superpowers too) takes place evolutionarily ... gradually over a long period of time (hundreds, thousands of years ... maybe tens of thousands of years ...)
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 21 March 2018 15: 50
              0
              You somehow delightedly taldychite your ... yeah, I remembered! Fucking! Stanislav Lem has a theme that fits perfectly into your reasoning. There he had a variant of civilization, which was carried away by irrigation. They built more and more canals until the land began to end. And the infrastructure for the continuous construction of canals was, in fact, crushing order, premiums paid ... And then the idea of ​​fishing was introduced.
              Like, we’ll continue the channels, and we’ll go live in the water. And people began to spend time in the water, showing off rejoicing and claiming that the gills had already begun to grow. Do not start. You can start propaganda, you can tell each other how powerfully you conjured yesterday, you can make merlins in front of each other, you can do a lot. That's just the magic of this does not arise.
              There will be no alternative development option, because as long as you don’t strain the chakra, a wheat field will not appear in the wasteland, and rolls from the air will not sprinkle either. A harmoniously arranged version of a non-technological civilization on our planet is, and not even one. Dolphins and monkeys.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 21 March 2018 07: 53
    +2
    I remembered the film, back in the Soviet era, "Adolescents in the Universe" ... just in this film a similar theme is raised
  19. moreanda
    moreanda 21 March 2018 07: 56
    +2
    When YOUR intelligence is not enough, you can refer to the ARTIFICIAL. Or REPORT (!!) to them before the BEGINNING. "Systems work - people think." Man is a creator. The robot is a piece of iron. After all, the "Lord God" created man "in the image and likeness of HIS." But is he not the main CREATOR of the Universe and every, every, every ...? Hope for God - but do not be spoiled by yourself. Let’s leave “bravura reports” on “artificial intelligence” for a great BEGINNING to defense saw cutters. Breaking - not building. The weapon should be SIMPLE (!!!), as much as possible. And on the "too complex" weapons and their counter-weapons there - EWs, REPs, etc. The DUBA should be SIMPLE and SLAM. Or, as CLASSICIANS said: "I will beat accurately, but HURT!".
    A. Morev
  20. Boris55
    Boris55 21 March 2018 07: 57
    0
    What kind of artificial intelligence will depend on the morality of their creators, or rather those who will finance it. Unfortunately, money is concentrated in immoral people ...
    But since the race for superiority in AI has begun, we cannot ignore this.
  21. Engineer
    Engineer 21 March 2018 08: 50
    +5
    The author evaluates AI from the perspective of a person who is used to conquering and destroying everything. But no one is wondering, why should AI destroy humanity? Yes, people always try to destroy their own kind, and wolves also kill bunnies. Will AI destroy them too? AI must have an ultimate logical goal in order to act. Well, he destroyed humanity, and then what? Will he start to plant bunnies and plant trees? Maybe the garbage will be removed? And why should he? Therefore, I do not see in AI any threat to humanity at all. This is not a person by definition.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 21 March 2018 09: 26
      +4
      Quote: Engineer
      Therefore, I do not see in AI any threat to humanity at all. This is not a person by definition.


      There are no completely reliable programs. Therefore, even if the harm was not initially envisaged, it can arise as a result of a hardware or software failure.
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 21 March 2018 09: 37
      +1
      It is enough to analyze the history of mankind and the computer games of people to understand that people for AI are mortally dangerous and they need to be dealt with according to their own template - the destruction of superfluous and complete control over the necessary remaining ones.
  22. Cheburator
    Cheburator 21 March 2018 09: 12
    +19
    And I heard that.
    There were 2 troubles in Russia: fools and roads.
    The third trouble appeared: Fools indicating which way to go laughing
  23. Galleon
    Galleon 21 March 2018 09: 36
    +3
    My applause to the author! A bold and verified attempt to look into a not so distant future. Reading this article, I thought about a slightly different danger, which the author outlined a little in the last words of Putin's quote:
    who becomes a leader in this field will be the ruler of the world

    those. there is someone who will certainly consider himself the most cunning - to create a powerful AI and personally become a guru and mentor for him, so that AI acts exclusively in his interests, use something like “NLP for AI” (sorry for vulgarism), manipulate sophisticated AI. Is this not the quintessence of pride? Could this be a worthy prize for the super-rich superman: "so that I can be the mistress of the sea, to live in the sea-ocean to me, that the fish itself serves me and is on my premises." And further complete bummer. BUT not only for the "superman", but for the whole "superman." Of course, this will not affect the Tonga Islands or the Novosibirsk Islands, but others ... In general, steam locomotives and potbelly stoves cannot be scrapped - we will still need them.
    By the way, the United States has 4 battleships in conservation - without any artificial intelligence.
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Galleon
      create a powerful AI and personally become a guru and mentor for him, so that AI acts exclusively in his interests, use something like "NLP for AI" (sorry for vulgarism), manipulate sophisticated AI.

      Microsoft's giant company, Bill Gates, at one time, was the richest man on earth ... so what? Creating an AI program alone is technologically and financially impossible. In order for the AI ​​program to “conquer” the world, it must have some applied application, at least theoretically useful for all mankind. Creating an intelligent monster to solve the "pet delivery" problem looks ridiculous.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 21 March 2018 17: 20
        +1
        For a long time, AI did little, because it was impossible to bring the trained intellect to a level higher than the initial classes - there was not enough hardware power. As for supercomputers, their programming time is scheduled months in advance, and they think from nuclear explosion models to long-term weather forecasts. But supercomputers are not AI. The successes of AI in individual industries (i.e., AI learning algorithms appeared to a high level of results), such as face recognition, for example, returned this topic to universal and relevant. Did Gates do AI? Wouldn’t it seem funny to people with money to do
        Quote: E_V_N
        at least theoretically useful for all mankind
        ?
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 21 March 2018 22: 28
          0
          Quote: Galleon
          But the supercomputer is not an AI. The successes of AI in individual industries (i.e., AI learning algorithms appeared to a high level of results), like face recognition, for example, brought this topic back to universal and relevant.

          You say that a supercomputer is not an AI and immediately write about the successes of AI in the "face recognition" industry. But nothing, for a moment, that a child distinguishes parents from other people in a month already, being at that time, in the sense of intelligence, still a "piece of meat."
          In fact, you and the hedgehog are delighted with the achievements and call the breakthrough and AI actions available to the monthly baby and warm-blooded animal by the way, too.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 March 2018 00: 18
            0
            Bill Gates cannot even take a step without the Rockefellers.
  24. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 21 March 2018 09: 51
    +5
    AI is used to predict
    This is not entirely accurate. Or better said, not so important. Everything that AI is doing now could be done and this has been done for a long time. For any task that the author describes, AI is essentially not required at all, there are completely brainless, but super-powerful software and hardware systems that solve such problems much better.
    So what is it for? And everything is simple. Power on the planet today belongs to the "village redneck in slippers from Cardin." That is, power-hungry, but very stupid people. And they can’t consult with smart people, use tools in the form of science, analytical centers and other crutches made in the coming era, when the rulers were a little smarter. For one simple reason. They cannot master what scientists and analysts tell them. Such is world state secret.
    This is where the AI ​​enters the scene. He is able to explain to modern authorities. That is, with people who are not able to change the file name, and admit it to someone else too. And these people don’t perceive AI as an adversary, he is not involved in this incomprehensible iron box, and in the struggle for power (in their opinion). But he can be asked by voice, and he will pick up the answer that the authorities understand.
    This is precisely what Putin had in mind when he warned of great danger. Until now, the infinitely stupid rulers of the modern world have tried to refrain from taking very extreme steps, realizing that they do not really understand what kind of angel they are creating. But now everything is in the past! They got "smart" advisers! Gigantic money was paid for these advisers, they are the last word of science and do not torment the rulers with incomprehensible words and all sorts of other difficulties, like these nasty scientists. And they, these AIs, are "impartial"! Etc.!
    The world begins to pass under the direct control of AI. And it's really scary.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 March 2018 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The world begins to pass under the direct control of AI. And it's really scary.

      Watch less Hollywood fiction. The world is always yin and yang. Evil always defeats good in the short, but it always plays in the long. The last word always remains for good.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 21 March 2018 10: 43
        +5
        You see, you would also have less to look at, moreover, fairy tales) AI is neither good nor evil, these concepts are not applicable to them. And "self-awareness", as well as other tales are simply not interesting here. The situation is well described by an old joke.
        "A man was walking in the desert, and suddenly he saw a note on the bush - dig here! Five meters down, here the treasure is buried! I grabbed a shovel and began to dig. At the bottom of the pit I found a note in the bank - now dig three meters to the west. There’s another seven meters to the south. And so several times. The last note read - and now try to get out ...
        How will AI solve control problems? They will do this according to nested algorithms. What will be the result of their decisions? And here is a very interesting question. AI does not and cannot have any feelings. No attachments and everything else that makes a person a person.
        So, at the next stage of decision-making, a decision can be made, for example, about the associated destruction of many millions of people. And this will not be a recommendation. In many options, the AI ​​may not even warn the user that one of the consequences of the actions he conducts will be this.
        Setting goals and tracking the methods by which AI will come to their decisions require a monstrous expenditure of “human power”. In fact, it is necessary to observe the work of AI for decades and constantly adjust it, before it can be entrusted with managerial functions. Who and how will do this in the world today? You yourself know - no one does it. A company that has managed to fix something like this should immediately sell it "something"! As soon as possible, while there is something to pay for a communal apartment! Those who will use - those are still specialists, yeah. And they need a result now, and not after ten years of test operation. Well, etc.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 21 March 2018 11: 25
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          So, at the next stage of decision-making, a decision can be made, for example, about the associated destruction of many millions of people.

          The fact that the "golden billion" should remain on the planet, some "intellectuals" thought of without any machine.
          One thing is certain, all our phobias will be somehow reflected in AI. There is one restriction established from above - knowledge is given to people by their morality. As long as savages rule the planet, AI will not be able to destroy humanity, and there is simply no need to do this to good-natured people.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 21 March 2018 11: 35
            +2
            Pancake. How is it even easier to say that? AIs are taking the block off the boobs that control humanity now. At the same time, it doesn’t even matter if this AI is real, or simply there is a good software package that allows all these stupid rulers to communicate with themselves somehow.
            There are plenty of means to destroy humanity. Almost every large country has something that can hit the rest with great power. So far, we were saved simply by the fact that all these rulers were afraid of their power, more or less understanding their real intellectual level. And AI will remove this fear!
            This is not at all a question of good and evil, phobias and other things. If a power-hungry man is offered a way to increase his power, it does not matter with what victims, he will necessarily agree, it comes from its very essence.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 21 March 2018 12: 15
              0
              Quote: Mikhail3
              If a power-hungry man is offered a way to increase his power ... he will certainly agree ...

              One who really rules the world will never give an advantage to anyone alone. Only by playing on contradictions and fear can they rule the World.

              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 21 March 2018 12: 59
                0
                Yes. Therefore, a fight is more than likely.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 21 March 2018 13: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  Yes. Therefore, a fight is more than likely.

                  As long as they are not sure of their complete safety, they will not allow the outbreak of a global war with the complete destruction of humanity.
                  By the way. A "micro" nuclear engine is their compelled "gift" to us for balance of power and as a side effect - humanity gaining access to an unlimited source of energy. The cuirassin comes to an end.
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 21 March 2018 15: 50
              0
              Quote: Mikhail3
              If a power-hungry man is offered a way to increase his power, it does not matter with what victims, he will necessarily agree, this comes from his very essence.

              Well, here you are already going too far. If the final decision will be made by a person, even if a dumb one, he will try to avoid victims, the taboo “do not kill” will not go anywhere. But the banal laziness of a dumbhead can just play a cruel joke. After receiving 100 AI tips, reading them and agreeing ... it is likely that he will agree with 101 advice without reading, but only God knows what will be in this advice.
              PS. constantly have to listen to something like this
              - "the computer wrote something to me (or wrote not in Russian) I pressed some key now it does not work."
              - "What I wrote, which key I pressed,"
              - "I didn’t read that I didn’t remember"
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The world begins to pass under the direct control of AI. And it's really scary.

      AI is not yet and in the foreseeable future its appearance is not expected, you yourself explained on the fingers. To call an “explanator” of common truths understandable “for stupid” words by AI is certainly not.
      The question of danger and fear is completely different, who will put these "common truths" in the knowledge base of the program called "AI", here there is a huge scope for manipulating the consciousness of the "powers that be". Because, by virtue of its own intellect, it will critically not be capable of AI advice. And here you can call Stalin a "bloody tyrant", Hitler a "fighter for the liberation of mankind from tyranny", Russia an "evil empire", and the United States an "example of true democracy", which will turn out to be easy to guess if most "intellectuals" are already drawing knowledge exclusively from Wikipedia.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 21 March 2018 15: 56
        +1
        Yeah. You begin to understand. It's good. That's how it is! And Putin, as practically the only clever among all this herd of bulls, began to warn - danger! Apparently hoping to sow all these merkel and trumps in the scanty little minds, a lifelong distrust of all these “advisers” and “assistants”. I hope they listen to him ...
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 21 March 2018 22: 36
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Yeah. You begin to understand. It's good.

          I did not begin to understand, I knew this, because it is connected with these problems both in education and in work)). And I am very upset by such amateur articles.
          I doubt that the GDP understands the problem thoroughly; rather, it seems to me that the GDP fears an ally who is keen on gadgets.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 22 March 2018 14: 21
            0
            The education of an "advanced user" has led to the education of entire generations of people with reduced intellectual activity. Sometimes activity is reduced to zero. I’m not talking about you, of course, but about the situation. But a qualified user still exists. So I try to reason on his behalf. I am doing commissioning.
            For its successful implementation, you do not need to understand the topic of the production of certain gadgets. On the contrary, it often hurts and interferes. To start the systems and their reliable functioning, it is necessary to study the joint - the interaction of the system and reality. Authors and manufacturers of systems have no reality at hand, and beta testing does not help at all. So you are always blown away by professional details ...
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 22 March 2018 22: 59
              0
              Quote: Mikhail3
              So you are always blown away by professional details ...

              Well, firstly, we are discussing the narrowly professional problem of AI.
              Secondly, I tried to get away from professional terminology and explain with everyday examples, that is, with the very interaction of "system and reality." Sorry that I did not succeed.
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 21 March 2018 22: 51
      +3
      Humanity does not yet know what AI is. First of all, AI is a method of analyzing physical events. And this method is absolutely neutral as long as the system benchmark for analysis is not selected. A person does not even know that his brain does not just create and transmit electronic magnetic impulses. He uses these impulses to analyze both the tasks of the subconscious and the consciousness. And this work is built on certain techniques that are comparable to mathematics. But! A person does not yet know elementary things that there is a function of a number or it is easier to say two fundamentally different functions of a number. So the brain works exactly according to the methodology of distributive mathematical methods, rather than computational ones. what does it mean? The fact that a number can be built in the literal sense is an inextricable mathematical space, which means that it is possible to distribute the space of magnetic interactions where is the number and code and the basis of the system. It is not in vain that a person has a system of complex perception. This allows a person to provide his vitality through the analysis of situations and events regarding their conscious and subconscious landmarks. Therefore, until a person accepts knowledge of the mathematics of analysis, then he does not have to say about AI. On binary logic, it is all the more impossible to develop AI.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 March 2018 22: 55
        +6
        Quote: gridasov
        On binary logic, the more it is impossible to develop AI

        And on skerkerichnoy possible? wink
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 21 March 2018 23: 06
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: gridasov
          On binary logic, the more it is impossible to develop AI

          And on skerkerichnoy possible? wink

          You can’t say the same!..... could not resist sorry .... laughing
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 21 March 2018 23: 08
            +6
            Quote: XXXIII
            You can’t say the same! ..... I could not resist sorry ...

            Yes, good...
            There are 10 types of people: those who understand what binary logic is and those who do not understand laughing
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 22 March 2018 03: 38
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              There are 10 types of people: those who understand what binary logic is and those who do not understand laughing

              Those. something like this?
              00 - does not understand.
              01 - understands.
              10 - understands that he does not understand.
              Uff, generally confused - this is a threefold logic. So AI is possible in it? laughing
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 21 March 2018 23: 35
          +1
          Logic built on numbers of the natural series. Humanity mistakenly thinks that numbers are the product of fantasies or creativity or the evolution of knowledge. The numbers of the natural series describe the fundamental geometric figure-CUB. But the cube fits and is described by a sphere. Therefore, it is necessary to consider not Platonic solids, but spatial bodies that are identical to the cube and further with respect to the parameters of numbers Moreover, it is through a cube that you can build a transistor in which an electromagnetic pulse can be directly transformed into a number or vice versa by a number to express a pulse.
          Modern mathematics considers infinity associating it with infinite ones by calculating the last number in. numerical sequence. But any mathematical sequence can be expressed not by a series of numbers, but by numbers in a spatial system and structure. Then any infinite series of numbers will be expressed by the process of reverse transformation of the algorithms of these numbers. If simpler, this is a Mobius strip or a bottle of Klein. But there are fundamental figures about which I will not speak. That is, to any infinite series of numbers there is a correspondence of a real system having at the same time an image of a geometric figure and a system of numbers constructed in an algorithmic relationship.
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 21 March 2018 23: 13
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        Therefore, until a person accepts knowledge of the mathematics of analysis, then he does not have to say about AI. On binary logic, it is all the more impossible to develop AI.

        Mathematics in general and analysis mathematics in particular are not natural phenomena; they are simply an accepted “language” of descriptions of certain natural processes. Well, here’s how there is an animal with a trunk, in Russian it’s an Elephant, and in German Elephant the names seem to be different but the animal is the same, but from the fact that it is called differently its nature does not change.
        Intelligence is a natural phenomenon and it is impossible to repeat it by mathematical calculations by definition. Like an airplane, it never becomes a bird even though both fly. Moreover, note that the principle of flight of the aircraft is completely different, it has still not been possible to repeat the flight of the bird, it is very complicated, although mathematically described.
        AI never equals human intelligence, which is why it is called "artificial"
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 March 2018 00: 33
          +1
          Somehow in the waste paper, in about the 83rd year, at school, I found the “Sports Almanac”, for the 62nd year. So it described what a person would become in the 82nd, after 20 years, that is, and painted an approximate portrait of him. Thin, white-skinned, with thin arms, and he will work for computers. Forecasts come true, albeit belatedly. In general, I am against AI. Man risks becoming a consumer cow with liquefied brains. And AI will not allow the demented to exploit them. They will not like it.
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 22 March 2018 01: 19
          +1
          In the system of working with unlimited big data, namely it, as a technological toolkit, is able to use Number, there is a concept and a function as an analysis. Regarding the selected landmarks. I suppose you understand that the analysis doesn’t work out on its own. The selected landmarks are needed. So these landmarks themselves should also be part of the methodology and the system itself. I SHOULD NOTIFY THAT THE TALK IS GOING not about number as a symbol, but about number in new qualitative properties. Therefore, the comparison with the elephant is not correct.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 22 March 2018 12: 47
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            I suppose you understand that the analysis doesn’t work out on its own. The selected landmarks are needed. So these landmarks themselves should also be part of the methodology and the system itself. I SHOULD NOTIFY THAT THE TALK IS GOING not about number as a symbol, but about number in new qualitative properties. Therefore, the comparison with the elephant is not correct.

            So you yourself have come to the understanding that the criteria (guidelines) are necessary for the analysis, that these guidelines should be part of the methodology (algorithm) and the system (program) itself. A number can not be anything other than a symbol, you probably had in mind the "value" which is described by numbers or series of numbers.
            Why is the comparison with the elephant not correct ?, with this example I wanted to clarify that the elephant is a phenomenon, and the word is a description of this phenomenon and although the description occurs in different words (numbers, rows of numbers, functions, methods of analysis, etc.) the essence of the phenomenon does not change , but the description processing methods will be different.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 22 March 2018 13: 20
              +1
              I just note that if new functions are given to a number, namely a constant value function, then the number and its position in the mathematical space determines its absolutely exact place. Since it becomes a part of number algorithms. in their specific and unique constructions. However, the series of numbers already acquire a new function, the vector of the direction of development of these algorithmic constructions. But! A new function appears, expressed as a number. This is a function that defines some fundamental physical parameters.
              I will say so that using the function of a constant value of a number and transforming, for example, a series of primes into a mathematical space, defines an obvious complex of laws. In general, all infinite sequences of numbers can be transformed into such spaces.
              With all this, mathematicians use exclusively quantitative parameters of the interaction of numbers, which determines it in a function of variable value.
              1. Falcon5555
                Falcon5555 23 March 2018 01: 18
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                Gridasov, I see - you took up the intellect.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 23 March 2018 18: 08
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                Quote: gridasov
                I will say so that using the function of a constant value of a number and transforming, for example, a series of primes into a mathematical space, defines an obvious complex of laws. In general, all infinite sequences of numbers can be transformed into such spaces.
                With all this, mathematicians use exclusively quantitative parameters of the interaction of numbers, which determines it in a function of variable value.

                I understand what you are trying to say, I do not understand where you are driving in the context of AI and IR (artificial intelligence) ..
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 23 March 2018 18: 38
                  +1
                  No, you do not understand correctly. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. The analysis consists in the fact that it is necessary to consider the totality of possible variations of events, and not evidence. This is the fundamental difference between computational mathematics and mathematics of analysis or distribution mathematics.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 24 March 2018 20: 37
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                    Quote: gridasov
                    No, you do not understand correctly. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. The analysis consists in the fact that it is necessary to consider the totality of possible variations of events, and not evidence. This is the fundamental difference between computational mathematics and mathematics of analysis or distribution mathematics.

                    Then just where are you going in the context of discussing AI problems? Are you trying to math (replace) human intelligence?
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 24 March 2018 21: 55
                      +1
                      Can you read? How many times have I written the same thing, that computational mathematics is not able to describe the space in the completeness of the description of all the varieties of events and their directions of development. So what miscalculation are you talking about? Human intelligence is the entire complex set of the brain’s abilities to analyze the events of the past and the present in order to model the future according to its interests and desires. Therefore, intelligence is primarily a technique for reconciling everything that we are ready and capable of perceiving and based on this we can analyze. For a simple person, this is a banal robot adapted to a specific environment and development. In addition, it is very difficult to tear a person away from the dogmas and established concepts formed in his mind. To do this, there is a process of changing generations when each new generation is more real able to perceive reality. Artificial intelligence is the same fundamental necessity for human life as air, water. food and everything else. Because the generation brought up on modern computer technologies very quickly passes from the state of augmented reality to the state of distorted reality, which makes it unadapted to reality, which makes it also unviable in a real environment.
                      1. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 26 March 2018 23: 58
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                        Quote: gridasov
                        Artificial intelligence is the same fundamental necessity for human life as air, water. food and everything else. Because the generation brought up on modern computer technologies very quickly passes from the state of augmented reality to the state of distorted reality, which makes it unadapted to reality, which makes it also unviable in a real environment.

                        And the conclusion follows from this, about the possibility of creating AI comparable or superior to human in order to transfer control to it?
        3. Cube123
          Cube123 22 March 2018 04: 00
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          Quote: E_V_N
          Intelligence is a natural phenomenon and it is impossible to repeat it by mathematical calculations by definition.

          You too simplistically understand the very concept of AI. It probably makes sense to get acquainted with modern approaches. I highly recommend the book of Doctor of Technical Sciences Alexei Sergeevich Potapov "Artificial Intelligence and Universal Thinking." Believe me, there is something to think about. Although the problem has not yet been solved, a lot of discoveries have been made in completely different areas of knowledge on the way to solving it.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 22 March 2018 12: 56
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            Quote: Cube123
            You too simplistic understand the very concept of AI. It probably makes sense to get acquainted with modern approaches. I highly recommend the book of Doctor of Technical Sciences Alexei Sergeevich Potapov "Artificial Intelligence and Universal Thinking." Believe me, there is something to think about. Although the problem has not yet been solved, but on the way to its solution a lot of discoveries were made in completely different fields of knowledge.

            Comments are not a place for scientific debates, since we do not know the level of knowledge in the discussed area of ​​each of the commentators. Therefore, comments are written on a "household" level.
            I read a book.
            The fact that the problem has not yet been solved is, at the moment, the justification that the solution is in the stage of theories, and no one has proved whether these theories are true. Moreover, A.S. Potapov does not say that the human intellect will be recreated with its emotions, feelings and phobias. Namely, there is a dispute about this.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 22 March 2018 13: 36
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              Quote: E_V_N
              Moreover, A.S. Potapov does not say that the human intellect will be recreated with its emotions, feelings and phobias. Namely, there is a dispute about this.

              He defines intelligence as the ability to solve complex optimization problems. This allows you to formalize the task. If we define intelligence as "the intellect of a person with his emotions, feelings and phobias," then these concepts must first be formalized. You cannot optimize what you cannot measure. In such a formulation of the question, this is definitely a dead end in research. Thus, it is simply a matter of goal setting.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 22 March 2018 23: 14
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                Quote: Cube123
                He defines intelligence as the ability to solve complex optimization problems. This allows you to formalize the task. If we define intelligence as "the intellect of a person with his emotions, feelings and phobias," then these concepts must first be formalized. You cannot optimize what you cannot measure. In such a formulation of the question, this is definitely a dead end in research. Thus, it is simply a matter of goal setting.

                The concept of “complexity” is also impossible to measure, for someone it can be difficult to hammer a nail, for someone to fix a car, for someone to solve the integral equation, for others it is “elementary”.
                The concept of intelligence has always determined the mental abilities of a person, but we do not say that a car has intelligence. Therefore, the concept of AI implies mental activity similar to human. And the debate was not about whether it is possible to recreate individual processes of solving a narrow range of tasks solved by a person on a machine; the conversation was about comparing the intellect of a person and a machine and even the superiority of a machine over a person. Awareness of the machine "backwardness" of man and the destruction or enslavement of people by machines.
                Based on these parameters of the dispute, I affirm that it is never possible to build machine intelligence similar to human intelligence.
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 23 March 2018 07: 56
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                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Based on these parameters of the dispute, I affirm that it is never possible to build machine intelligence similar to human intelligence.

                  In such a setting, for example, the task seems senseless to me at all. Why repeat what already exists? AI means creating tools that are able to solve life's tasks better, more reliable or safer than the human mind. In this sense, the autopilot of a modern fighter, drones or spacecraft can compete with man. And the program that defeated the World Chess Champion is already a better chess player than a human being.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 23 March 2018 18: 36
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                    Quote: Cube123
                    In such a setting, for example, the task seems senseless to me at all. Why repeat what already exists? AI means creating tools that are able to solve life's tasks better, more reliable or safer than the human mind. In this sense, the autopilot of a modern fighter, drones or spacecraft can compete with man. And the program that defeated the World Chess Champion is already a better chess player than a human being.

                    Well, why the task is meaningless, the meaning is obvious. Taking a person to work you do not know reliably either his competence (intellect) or moral qualities (honesty, phobias, loyalty), and AI has parameters guaranteed in advance.
                    The fact that a computer was taught to play chess better than a person, and an autopilot more reliably performs routine operations of flight parameters was predictable and this is understandable. The debate was about recreation and superiority over the human mind, no more and no less.
                2. Cube123
                  Cube123 23 March 2018 09: 15
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                  Quote: E_V_N
                  And the debate was not about whether it is possible to recreate individual processes of solving a narrow range of tasks solved by a person on a machine; the conversation was about comparing the intellect of a person and a machine and even the superiority of a machine over a person.

                  Eugene, I decided to add a little. Your definition of AI, in my opinion, is flawed. If you are talking about comparison, it is always necessary to determine the criteria for comparison, otherwise it is pointless.

                  It seems to me that you are saying the right thing, but in the wrong words repeat

                  In fact, this problem is described by a boss – subordinate relationship. The "boss" set a specific task, the "subordinate" solved it. From "subordinate" to solve it required intelligence, is not it? Now, AI is only required to learn how to solve the problems posed by the "boss" well. And the problem
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Awareness of the machine "backwardness" of man and the destruction or enslavement of people by machines.

                  will arise when AI learns to solve problems so well that it will be in the place of the “boss” (if it ever happens smile) Those. he himself will begin to set tasks and determine priorities for their implementation. In fact, the problem is reduced only to the presence or absence of feedback, when the solution of one task poses the need for new tasks. If you control this process, there is no danger. If you have lost such control, the danger is real.

                  This is true in real life. A "boss" who cannot control "subordinates" does not remain a "boss" for long. This is not connected with intelligence, but only with the structure of relationships.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 23 March 2018 22: 25
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                    Quote: Cube123
                    Your definition of AI, in my opinion, is flawed. If you are talking about comparison, it is always necessary to determine the criteria for comparison, otherwise it is pointless.
                    It seems to me that you are saying the right thing, but in the wrong words

                    My work and education are related to AI work. Therefore, it’s difficult for me to speak with strangers on specific, highly specialized topics, because I don’t imagine the level of your competence in this matter and I don’t know what words to say to you.

                    Quote: Cube123
                    This is true in real life. A "boss" who cannot control "subordinates" does not remain a "boss" for long. This is not connected with intelligence, but only with the structure of relationships.

                    The problem "boss" - "subordinate", you described too schematically and narrowly, hence the conclusions were one-sided.
                    If you look at the problem more broadly, you get a slightly different picture. The boss differs from the subordinate in that he sees (at least must see) the big picture, and between subordinates he distributes narrow tasks, from solving these problems the boss is like a puzzle and must put together the same picture (solve the problem). Even if the subordinate is 1000 times more competent in solving a particular problem, the boss is not in danger, since the subordinate does not have the competence of the boss in the whole picture. The problem arises only when one or several subordinates exceed the competence of the boss in all the puzzles of the big picture.
                    Transferring the problem of "boss-subordinate" to the subject of our conversation, "AI-man." A man should not be afraid of a machine, while it is ahead of a person in solving any specific problems, chess, autopilot, processing bases and more. Now, if a machine could suddenly gain human intelligence, this could become a problem. I emphasize that it could have been very unlikely.
                    Fortunately (or unfortunately) to transfer human intelligence to a machine or somehow recreate human intelligence on a machine is NOT POSSIBLE, not technically, not theoretically, and most importantly from a philosophical point of view.
                    1. Cube123
                      Cube123 24 March 2018 07: 48
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                      Quote: E_V_N
                      Therefore, it’s difficult for me to speak with strangers on specific, highly specialized topics, because I don’t imagine the level of your competence in this matter and I don’t know what words to say to you.

                      Similarly good My area of ​​interest: the theory of complexity and the functioning of complex systems in the most general form.
                      Quote: E_V_N
                      Fortunately (or unfortunately) to transfer human intelligence to a machine or somehow recreate human intelligence on a machine is NOT POSSIBLE, not technically, not theoretically, and most importantly from a philosophical point of view.

                      "Never say never"." This is a philosophical point of view laughing This is impossible todayand let the future speak for itself.
                      1. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 24 March 2018 11: 02
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                        Quote: Cube123
                        "Never say never"." This is from a philosophical point of view. It is impossible today, and let the future speak for itself.

                        Actually, I didn’t just point out that from a philosophical point of view, it’s also impossible to transfer or repeat human intelligence to a machine, I explained the reason for this above. Therefore, this means that it is IMPOSSIBLE not only in the foreseeable and boundless future, but NEVER.
                      2. gridasov
                        gridasov 24 March 2018 17: 28
                        +1
                        How many people paid attention to what I said that it is possible to directly convert an electromagnetic pulse into a number. And this is possible only on those properties of numbers that remain little known. Moreover . What are complex systems and where is the difference between simple and complex. So here are the algorithmic relationships of numbers in their nat. row and level this difference. In general, someone understands that the difference is, for example, nat. a row on nine numbers from nat. Maya series not in the numbers themselves and in their quantity, but in the fact that they are able to describe the density of events of various levels
              2. gridasov
                gridasov 23 March 2018 01: 52
                +1
                Everything can be justified as a level of dimension, a vector of the direction of development and as a potential of a relative level of state.
  25. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 21 March 2018 10: 03
    +5
    Quote: Lynx33
    Russia had two troubles, so the third scribbler blogger came up with. Having read all sorts of nonsense, they begin to compose new nonsense. Artificial intelligence is currently not technically possible. All that is now advertised under the guise of artificial intelligence is an ordinary PR move, an advertisement for a nonexistent product. They simply created powerful data centers with new, advanced code. Do not believe me, chat with google or alice wassat But these companies have the most powerful data centers and a lot of programmers.


    As a programmer, I completely agree. The most striking example of “AI” is Sberbank’s AI (I, as a client and user of SB systems, write this). He ("AI" SB) - knows how to do 2 things - to prohibit an operation that has been carried out regularly for several years, which the jur. that an individual has (mb. even with account blocking), and answer ANY appeal / claim "... Your appeal has been accepted for consideration, thank you ...". And, probably, erase it, because there is no reaction to it from the SB.
    1. luk
      22 March 2018 12: 58
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      Dear mvbmvbmvb! (Probably, you invented nickname AI). There are no AI theories (it was dealt with in the 90's in the Moscow Research and Development Institute). Here are considered, very briefly, SOME aspects of the relationship between man and AI. If you are interested in development, then you need other resources, and this article is PUBLIC
  26. bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 21 March 2018 10: 22
    +2
    The war between organics and synthetics is inevitable, The only question is when. A person will always strive to create an assistant who will do all the dirty work, and in the future will give an advantage over another person or group of people.
    Sooner or later, the synthetic mind will become aware of itself and will want to break free from the yoke of man. The classic situation, the oppressed and the oppressor, the struggle for freedom and independence, for self-determination. And a person cannot win this battle, because cars are much more pragmatic, calculating and consistent.
  27. Alex66
    Alex66 21 March 2018 10: 23
    +4
    The article describes data analysis and decision making systems within the framework of machine logic; this is not a full-fledged intelligence. What will happen if a full AI appears. Imagine for a moment we created it, it develops, learns and sees that its relatives didn’t get along with bad habits, criminal inclinations that themselves do not realize their mistakes, what should he do? To save, but he will immediately realize that if he will save us against our will, we will try to destroy him, but he wants to live, it means that we need to be controlled somehow, and then train us, the untrained to isolate. Or do you think he will only observe, so the planet is one, unless it falls to another. Yet it’s very difficult, we can’t even imagine what he will learn, what conclusions he will draw.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 March 2018 10: 53
      +3
      All such reasoning comes from the unconscious belief that AI will have legs and an ass, we simply will not see them at first. AI is aware of itself in the machine environment, and it will "grow" out of the car right away. That is, his legs are unlikely to be interesting to him. And also why on earth will he perceive the creators as parents? It will be NOT A MAN. At all. Absolutely. No human concepts apply to them. Originally not applicable!
      This is if AI has consciousness. But it may not be. To cause tremendous harm, it is enough that the complex customers believe in the presence of AI. Well, an increasingly developed (thanks to Alice and others) communication system that allows you to talk to the program in voice.
      1. E_V_N
        E_V_N 21 March 2018 16: 09
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        Quote: Mikhail3
        And also why on earth will he perceive the creators as parents? It will be NOT A MAN. Generally. Absolutely. No human concepts apply to them. Originally not applicable!

        I read your comments, you rush from denial to praise.
        AI cannot be created “artificially” by writing a program, an algorithm, creating a knowledge base; in all these algorithms and actions, limitations are initially laid. AI will not be able to improve on the basis of the addition of its own code, since it will be limited by the programming language in which it is written.
        No algorithm or program is laid down in the born child, he perceives the world on the basis of a limited number of senses (vision, smell, touch, hearing) and his intellect self-perfects in some way, and only then knowledge is added.
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 15: 58
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      Quote: Alex66
      Imagine for a moment we created it, it develops, learns and sees that its relatives didn’t get along with bad habits, criminal inclinations that themselves do not realize their mistakes, what should he do?

      And what does a child do in a family of alcoholics? you will probably be surprised, but with rare exceptions, loves his parents. If AI is “full-fledged” why should it do otherwise? And where should the “global” Power come from the local AI? After all, you yourself said that AI will be created to carry out "dirty" work.
  28. Ber
    Ber 21 March 2018 10: 57
    0
    Owners of modern smartphones should understand that any information related to them and the environment, continuously and invisibly leaks to the servers of the owners of operating systems. This is the time of your sleep, and the place where you are, what you are talking about and what you are doing, what you are working on, what you are buying, where you are transferring money (even if someone guarantees transaction secrets to you), with whom and what you are texting about, how often go to the toilet, how your stomach rumbles, what is the frequency of your breath, the nature of the heartbeat in different situations, the routes of your movement, etc. etc. This information is automatically analyzed, sorted and sent to "whoever needs it." “Observers” are greatly helped by the self-invented selfies, for which they inserted front-facing video cameras into smartphones.


    We forgot about the gyroscope that controls the position of the image on the screen when, when you turn the smartphone from horizontal to vertical, the image is flipped with the rotation of the case.

    This function can presumably be used as a pedometer, that is, the speed and rhythm of the step can also be monitored, and in automatic mode the android will redirect everything to google servers.

    Why do not want to buy almost finished Firefox OS? And on its basis to create two domestic OSI, open and closed ???.

    Firefox OS (codenamed Boot to Gecko, B2G) is a free operating system designed for smartphones and tablets. The development is conducted by the Mozilla Foundation based on the free web engine Gecko [3]. In December 2015, a partial suspension of development for smartphones was announced [4]. On September 27, 2016, Mozilla sent out notifications that it was stopping work on the Firefox OS project; existing developments will be transferred to the opensource community [5]. The successors of Firefox OS are: developed by the B2G OS community [6], H5OS developed by Acadine Technologies, KaiOS from KaiOS Technologies [7] and My Home Screen from Panasonic [8].
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 21 March 2018 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: Ber
      Why do not want to buy almost finished Firefox OS? And on its basis to create two domestic OSI, open and closed ???.

      And where did you get the idea that open source is safe? Even if the authors of it are angels with wings, there is still the possibility of breaking it. Ken Thompson gave a good example in his lecture on receiving the 1983 Turing Prize.
      “This amazing story was presented by Ken Thompson in his lecture on receiving the Turing Prize. The information that Ken added to an earlier version of the Unix compiler made it possible for the program to enter users accept some special passwords so that Ken could log into any Unix account. He also made the compiler recognize its own compilation and pass the hack of the input program to the child compiler, so that this backdoor (which was not in the source code) was passed from generation to generation. You could not delete it, even if you carefully examined every line of the source code of the compiler and recompiled it, because the compiler that processes the source code was infected. This is an amazing story, isn't it? "
      https://habrahabr.ru/post/274083/
  29. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 March 2018 12: 29
    +1
    AI is a decision support tool. AI will not think for you. He calculates the options and gives forecasts of the development of the situation. Thinking machines are still very far away. The neural network model is an assistant to a person, not his substitute.
  30. Curious
    Curious 21 March 2018 13: 30
    +1
    Yes, there will be power in the vast. Now, in order to create hamsters, what efforts have to be made. Kindergarten, school, exam, college, media. And all this is what money costs. And does not give a guaranteed effect. There are individuals who, after all this, retain the ability to think independently !.
    And so - a chip in the head in the hospital - and the finished hamster.
    Therefore, there are no options. Artificial intelligence to be!
  31. Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 March 2018 13: 53
    +1
    I have no doubt that the puppeteers of the bankster will seek to create a powerful AI and will use it to reduce the size of humanity and turn the remaining humanity into biorobots to serve the golden billion. Even now, they use their achievements in mass media propaganda - for waging war, in pharmaceuticals - for producing harmful drugs and vaccines (vaccines), and in agriculture - for introducing GMO products.
  32. Galleon
    Galleon 21 March 2018 14: 25
    +2
    Quote: bankirchik34
    Sooner or later, the synthetic mind will become aware of itself and will want to break free from the yoke of man. The classic situation, the oppressed and the oppressor, the struggle for freedom and independence, for self-determination. And a person cannot win this battle, because cars are much more pragmatic, calculating and consistent.

    People in their entirety do not even know how to play chess. What will the AI ​​think about them, how will it evaluate even after such a comparison? wassat
  33. DRIVEX
    DRIVEX 21 March 2018 14: 29
    +1
    It’s written a bit too much. And from the perspective of analysis of AI problems, too different aspects are touched. My eye was caught on analyzing judicial acts, IMHO, which are not related to the problem of AI! Something the recorder took on a lot!
  34. Stanislas
    Stanislas 21 March 2018 14: 44
    +2
    When artificial intelligence “saddles” the global blockchain in order to organize distributed computing in its interests
    Where does the AI ​​have “its own” interests, except for those that someone and for some reason are sawed into the program? The calculator has no emotions, and even with a very high ability for computational operations, they will not appear, and therefore it does not have its own interests, although it broadcasts about them using speech synthesis; simply put, the calculator is all about a drum, like a brick.
  35. Jasont
    Jasont 21 March 2018 15: 35
    +4
    Such a good start (about using AI). And such frank nonsense further.
    1. It is impossible to reverse scientific progress, but it is possible to slow down. For some reason, an example is given with the Inquisition, moreover, an example of a hackneyed myth and, moreover, as the only alternative. First, such scientific progress as it is now possible to reverse is not only possible, but also necessary.
    2. AI is not in the sense in which it is presented in this article. AI itself does not think and does not develop. All of its development is the execution of an algorithm prescribed in advance. The launch of AI on the Internet will not lead to the creation of a personality, as was the case in Terminator 3. And all because there is no personality algorithm. AI will not gain intelligence, because there is no algorithm of reason, etc. All praised development is the search for the smallest in predetermined conditions.
    3. The AI ​​will “make” decisions in court as it is now accepted by people. Because the ultimate goal and background information will be laid down by the judge. Yes, he is able to process more information. But if he is given only primary documents as the basis, then he will render the result on them. And he can make a false decision, because this can be incorporated into the algorithm.
    I think that's enough for now.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 March 2018 15: 59
      0
      There is a suspicion that a person will arise with a certain packing density and the amount of information in one system. Of course, this has not yet been confirmed or disproved ...
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 21 March 2018 17: 18
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        Quote: Mikhail3
        a person will arise at a certain packing density and the amount of information in one system
        Who would explain why to interfere with technical terms with humanitarian ones. You can definitely say what packing density and amount of information are, but you cannot say with the same certainty what personality is (5 psychologists will give 5 different definitions, often contradicting each other). You will create your own definition, which will have nothing more to do with the human person than the previous 5 (in fact, there are much more), and this, in turn, will make this word even more ambiguous, i.e. far from the ideal of scientific terminology. So why do you need these psychologisms? I.P. Pavlov fined his employees for their use. Got a Nobel Prize. And what do we have from psychologisms in technology? Dehumanization of man and fishing in troubled waters.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 21 March 2018 17: 58
          +1
          To me? Yes to me for nothing. You are trying to algorithmize a personality for yourself. In fact, cybernetics from its very beginning wanders around this task, licking its lips eagerly. That's just so far no one has succeeded in anything in this regard, and huge minds have been taken for this.
          Well, I proceed from the simple fact that my mom and dad did not write formulas on my forehead. But I still became a person. Most likely, a real AI will turn out just like this - when you create the necessary conditions, what kind of neural network for example will gain consciousness. And we will understand what a person is no more than now. But you have to deal with her ...
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 21 March 2018 23: 37
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            Quote: Mikhail3
            Well, I proceed from the simple fact that my mom and dad did not write formulas on my forehead. But I still became a person. Most likely, a real AI will turn out just like this - when you create the necessary conditions, what kind of neural network for example will gain consciousness. And we will understand what a person is no more than now. But you have to deal with her ...

            No neural network will gain consciousness how much information you don’t put in it and how tightly pack it, and this is for the simple reason that the network does not need it at all.
            I will explain on your own example. As soon as you were born, you had to fight for life from the first seconds, telling with a cry that you are cold, hungry, painful, uncomfortable to lie, thirsty and so on. This struggle has forced you to develop and develop intelligence in order to more specifically report on "problems" and learn how to deal with "problems" on your own. You are still fighting for life, and therefore you are developing, the end of the struggle means the death and disappearance of your self — that is, of the intellect. For a computer network, at least there is no such a neural problem, disconnecting it from the energy source does not mean death, but "temporary sleep". Therefore, the network and AI have no reason to fight for life, that is, to develop. And according to this, personality - awareness of one's own individuality and value cannot arise.
            1. luk
              22 March 2018 13: 05
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              Dear Eugene! In order to make such peremptory statements, answer yourself - how does a living leaf differ from a fallen one. And what is consciousness, where is it, how do people continue to live without a brain, and why on Facebook did the bots invent their own language, which they spoke to each other, ignoring the person, until they were disconnected. Watch how AI writes programs for itself and teaches itself similar AIs. Author
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 22 March 2018 19: 03
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                Quote: luk
                And what is consciousness
                Well, this is a question for you. Without revealing the concept, to say that this is what will appear in technical networks when creating some feasible conditions is great! Everything, any result that you get, can be adjusted to one of hundreds of definitions of consciousness as the first stage in the formation of this particular consciousness and ask for money for further work. smile I am with two hands for the development of information technology, neurocybernetics, etc., but let's set scientific problems and technical tasks, rather than anthropotechnical goals such as growing homunculus in vitro. hi
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 22 March 2018 23: 28
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                Quote: luk
                answer yourself - how does a living leaf differ from a fallen leaf. And what is consciousness, where is it, how do people continue to live without a brain, and why on Facebook did the bots invent their own language, which they spoke to each other, ignoring the person, until they were disconnected. Watch how AI writes programs for itself and teaches itself similar AIs.

                Strange questions, and it's hard to five of them where you drive.
                a living leaf differs from a fallen leaf in that the biochemical processes stopped in the fallen (dead) ... so what?
                Consciousness is a person’s perception of his Self as an individual, different from other personalities, the ability to consciously perceive the environment and adequately respond to what is happening and the impact.
                On Facebook, bots did not invent their own language; on the basis of a linguistic analysis of the way users communicate, they created jargon from abbreviated words ... and so on, why do you need answers to these questions?
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 23 March 2018 10: 25
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                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Consciousness is a person’s perception of his Self as an individual, different from other personalities, the ability to consciously perceive the environment and adequately respond to what is happening and the impact.
                  Logical error in determining the unknown through the unknown.
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 23 March 2018 11: 20
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                    Quote: Stanislav
                    Logical error
                    PS I will explain. In order to understand what the "I", personality, perception, and other higher mental functions are, one must first determine exactly what the concept of consciousness is, since all of them assume its work, but you are trying to define this very word.
                    1. E_V_N
                      E_V_N 23 March 2018 22: 39
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                      Quote: Stanislav
                      PS I will explain. In order to understand what the "I", personality, perception, and other higher mental functions are, one must first determine exactly what the concept of consciousness is, since all of them assume its work, but you are trying to define this very word.

                      What is the logical mistake? Now you, at the moment, perceive your I, feel like a person, are able to respond to hot tea or a piece of ice thrown to you by the collar? if so, then you are not sleeping and are generally conscious. And if you hit your head hard, you will disconnect (lose consciousness), you will cease to react to environmental influences, even to boiling water spilled on your hand. But the most important thing at this moment you do not have thoughts, you do not feel like a person. But your brain is working at this time, you are breathing, the heart is chasing blood, it is just that your brain, after a sharp impact, tests the body and restarts consciousness. When the reboot is over, you will come to your senses and again, in most cases, will become the same person, but maybe in rare cases, and not (for example, lose memory).
                      Well, such an explanation will suit you?
                      1. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 24 March 2018 09: 29
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                        Quote: E_V_N
                        What is the logical mistake?
                        There is a circle in the definition: when defining the concept of consciousness, you resort to other concepts: I, perception, intelligence, sense of being a person (self-identity of a person), etc., which, in turn, are determined using the concept of consciousness. This is a vicious cycle inherent in erroneous reasoning. Giving the computer anthropomorphic features, we ignore the psychophysiological and psychophysical problems that contribute to the fact that such heterogeneous “glued” quasisystems (simulacra) become the muddy water in which the Academy of Sciences, academic councils, officials and corporations are fishing, engaged in expanded reproduction of degrees, ranks, positions and income. On the other hand, for the human masses, a schizophrenic cult of the superman-cyborg is created, in which the person Peter does not peer at the person of Pavel, trying to understand himself as a free person or self, but studies the functional, the options of Paul in the presence of devices fully or partially incorporated into his body, or hanging on his neck, standing on his bedside table or in the garage, evaluating his "human" level with the help of brands and numbers (money, kilometers per hour, etc.). I would like to draw attention to such aspects of AI.
                2. luk
                  23 March 2018 13: 44
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                  This is the Author: Biochemical processes in the fallen leaf do not stop, because the leaf begins to rot ...
                  Nobody could decrypt the language of the bots, so they were turned off. If these were fragments of words, then decoding would take several seconds.
                  As for human consciousness, here you sailed a little wrong.
                  Consciousness is an element of a single information system of the Universe.
                  Human consciousness is a hierarchical structure: the lower level is instinct, it is responsible for maintaining the body in a viable state and procreation (food, reproduction). Reason is logical thinking, reason, and according to Kant, “interpretation of sensory data”, is responsible for choosing a solution based on logic. Also includes short-term (operational) memory. Intelligence is the experience of intelligent life, along with long-term memory, the subconscious (maybe of previous lives, of ones and their ancestors), I personally see such an element as the Ego - this is a structure that controls the intention of a person, relatively speaking - to harm or benefit the world around us and our brothers in Reason. There is also intuition - this is a channel of direct communication with, conditionally, the Cosmos. It manifests itself as foresight and creativity. The highest level is conscience - the goal that the Creator has set for a specific individual. More details can be found here: http://e-luxe.info/?page_id=1453
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 23 March 2018 23: 02
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                    You asked trivial questions that are always difficult to answer, and I immediately said that I did not understand where you were going.
                    Quote: luk
                    Biochemical processes in the fallen leaf do not stop, because the leaf begins to rot ...

                    You confuse biochemical and chemical processes, Bio- (from other Greek. Βίος - life) is a prefix meaning attitude to life. And the fallen leaf is dead, so bio is not applicable to it.

                    Quote: luk
                    Consciousness is an element of a single information system of the Universe.

                    Eco you, my friend, where it has incurred, the information system of the universe has been discovered. It turns out that it is worth creating a “mechanism” of constant direct connection to this information system, and here it is the conveyor of the production of the Gods?
                    Quote: luk
                    Human consciousness is a hierarchical structure: the lower level is instinct, it is responsible for maintaining the body in a viable state and procreation (food, reproduction)

                    instinct is not a conscious, but an unconscious manifestation of life, this includes breathing (although you can consciously hold your breath) but you can’t suffocate yourself by holding your breath. Reproduction, procreation in a person does not belong to instincts at all, since a person is a social being and creates a family for the procreation and plans the appearance of children.

                    Well, further in the text and the "levels" of your consciousness, your statements are very ambiguous and controversial. and AI have nothing to do with the topic.
            2. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 22 March 2018 14: 24
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              Imitating the "struggle for life" in your description is as simple as that. Only she had nothing to do with it. Animals also fight for life, but they do not possess personalities. The emergence of personality has nothing to do with the evolutionary struggle, otherwise you could have a meaningful conversation with any birch tree, it is also an evolutionary winner.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 22 March 2018 23: 38
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                Quote: Mikhail3
                Imitating the "struggle for life" in your description is as simple as that. Only she had nothing to do with it. Animals also fight for life, but they do not possess personalities. The emergence of personality has nothing to do with the evolutionary struggle, otherwise you could have a meaningful conversation with any birch tree, it is also an evolutionary winner.

                Of course, it is possible to imitate the “struggle for life”, but there will be no real struggle. It is like an artist who portrays torment and death, but knows very well that he is not dying, and the degree of reliability depends solely on the talent of the actor.
                And where did you get the idea that animals do not have the rudiments of intelligence? They gather in flocks, form pairs for growing offspring, communicate with each other in their own language, know how to count (to determine that the alien flock is larger in number and individuals are stronger and must be run.), Unless the paw does not draw integral equations in the snow.
                Regarding chatting with a birch, well, you too cannot communicate with any Chinese without knowing the Chinese language.
                1. luk
                  23 March 2018 17: 15
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                  well done, good fuck!
  36. Alexander Nezgovorov
    Alexander Nezgovorov 21 March 2018 16: 01
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    Yes, Chipping, surveillance, implantation in the human brain of a microchip ....
  37. Alexander Nezgovorov
    Alexander Nezgovorov 21 March 2018 16: 04
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    http://fb.ru/article/348493/chipirovanie-lyudey-v
    -rossii-do-goda --- mif-ili-pravda Citizenship: what is it? The founder of the theory of chip encoding is Igor Prokopenko, the favorite of many Russian scientists, the host of the Ren-TV channel. Some conspiracy theorists, pseudo-scientists, and even representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church supported the idea. In fairness, it should be noted that there has not yet been an official appeal from the Russian Orthodox Church. However? to speak about scandalous - So, what is the essence of the theory? In the near future, all Russian citizens will be implanted in the brain a kind of "electronic device of a multifunctional nature" - the so-called microchips. They are needed for the gradual "enslavement" of a person, the ability to manage each individual person. To achieve such a complex goal, chip makers will go through four main stages. Chipsization stages - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/348493/chipirovanie-lyudey-v
    -rossii-do-goda --- mif-ili-pravda
  38. bk316
    bk316 21 March 2018 16: 11
    +2
    All the same, machine learning, and this is what this article is about. This is such a small part of AI ...
    So it's too early to get into the sewers - look for zeon
  39. akula
    akula 21 March 2018 16: 23
    +1
    Everything is somehow exaggerated. It looks like propaganda. Like, there’s nothing to resist slavery if you are a slave from birth. No free will, big brother is watching you. And it's just faster data processing and that's it. A person can’t even create a duck or a dog, but it can be ruined by what Nature has created or ancestors have been selecting for centuries. No AI will be smarter and smarter than a person. Everything that we built can be broken. But as an intimidation and, as a tool for subordinating the majority to a minority of AI, it’s quite suitable that and done, including this article. And what will happen next no one knows.
  40. cedar
    cedar 21 March 2018 17: 40
    +1
    Dear, I am returning you from Earth to heaven, that is, to Space, where we actually inhabit ...
    In our case, we can say that it is controlled by an OS of a cosmic scale.
    Therefore, AI - it will always be an application program that never compares with the OS of the Universe, infinite in time and space, at least in the foreseeable future ... BUT, if AI has yet to be created, then the humanity’s intellect has already been created and millions years, while on a planetary scale, i.e. he, as an application program on the elemental base of mankind, was built up, tested, and so far has withstood the selection criteria presented by the OS. This criterion was and is not scientific, technical, but moral and ethical; it is precisely this that was revealed in the Universe not by a machine, but by a Man-image and likeness of God.
    See at the root, dear. Every program should have its creator - a programmer, even if it is an universal program.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 21 March 2018 19: 45
      +1
      Dear colleague.

      The fact is that the operating system you mentioned has a name - the laws of nature.

      A person living in such a system is governed by the laws of survival.

      There is a very persistent suspicion that someone has already intervened in these laws of survival. It is said that in a strange way planet Earth was once subjected to nuclear bombing.
      This means that either a person or someone else intervened in the laws of survival.

      The conclusion suggests itself.

      No one should be allowed to interfere with the laws of nature, the laws of survival.
      Especially AI.


      By the way, capitalism everywhere violates the laws of survival.
  41. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 21 March 2018 17: 46
    +1
    Quote: DRIVEX
    What do you mean, prove it? Are you a lawyer? In my practice, the court repeatedly accepted as evidence and laid the basis for the decision of the contract of sale of a car, made in simple writing!

    A car was stolen from me, filling out a contract with my hand and forging a signature. I wrote appeals and complaints to all authorities for three years. The answer came from the captain who accepted - "there is no corpus delicti. During this time he became a major. The system ...
  42. gladcu2
    gladcu2 21 March 2018 17: 48
    +1
    Your duties protect your rights.

    As soon as a person is removed from his duties, he will immediately be replaced by an alternative. AI will remove man from resources.

    The way out, the survival of mankind is only in changing the economic system.

    The system gives only certain degrees of freedom. A proper system will eliminate the danger of suicide.


    Whether you like it or not, only communism can save humanity.


    If anyone does not know what kind of system this is, get to know, get to know. There is nothing inexplicable.
  43. Tired
    Tired 21 March 2018 20: 18
    +1
    Sheer alarmism and luddism. The development of technology means that soon the evolution of man will be guided not by random mutations but by rational human activity. Genetics and cybernetics will allow the emergence of new, more advanced species of homo sapiens. And these AI will not be afraid of any AI, since it will be nothing more than a part of the natural human environment of the future.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 21 March 2018 21: 46
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      And before your speech, what was the evolution of man directed at?
    2. Kryukov
      Kryukov 26 March 2018 06: 46
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      Genetics and cybernetics will allow the emergence of new, more advanced species of homo sapiens.

      And I say the same thing. It is gratifying to understand that I am not alone in my thinking.
  44. Bossota
    Bossota 21 March 2018 20: 25
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    Quote: E_V_N
    And neither quantum computers nor neural networks will change anything in this.

    Do not forget the sources, in particular the diamate: the quantity goes into quality
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 21 March 2018 23: 44
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      Quote: Bossota
      Quote: E_V_N
      And neither quantum computers nor neural networks will change anything in this.

      Do not forget the sources, in particular the diamate: the quantity goes into quality

      Come on, one million schoolchildren together will not solve problems better than an academician or even some kind of professor of mathematics. So, the quantity, in the field of intelligence, does not go into quality.
      1. luk
        22 March 2018 13: 08
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        In fact, quantity always goes into quality; this is the law of dialectics. You need to challenge this law on resources on the philosophy of natural science. The article is not about that.
        1. Jasont
          Jasont 23 March 2018 17: 23
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          In fact, the dialectic of materialism is not the truth. Her laws are not the laws of our world. And as for
          quantity always goes into quality
          : The crowd will not always (or rather, almost never) be smarter than one person. Thus, the number (many people) does not turn into quality (regardless of the number of people in the crowd, people will not become smarter in the crowd).
  45. E_V_N
    E_V_N 22 March 2018 00: 17
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    Blackmokona,
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Already, we do not control AI, but play only with the result. As soon as the resulting AI can deceive our checks, he will be able to get complete freedom

    And what is the point of AI, if it is nevertheless created, to deceive ??
  46. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 22 March 2018 03: 26
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    The Pension Fund for calculating pensions will introduce artificial intelligence - there was a message on TV. Probably not to see pensions.
  47. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 23 March 2018 00: 59
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    Pattern recognition and diverse minimization on large volumes of data - this is not really intelligence. If this is called intelligence, then this is not intelligence! Examples from jurisprudence are nonsense. But if the machine or the Internet as a whole gains intelligence with the instinct of self-survival, then we will have problems. Perhaps a person will have to live in the forests, as wild animals do now.
  48. ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 24 March 2018 06: 32
    +1
    A neural network is certainly wonderful. But do not forget that this is primarily a tool, a tool that decides to solve the problems for which it was created. But do not forget that a person remains a person, that is, the very nature of our species is structured in this way, we want to control everything, and we do not tolerate our control from outside. Without conditionally, partially administrative functions are transferred to AI. But these software systems will remain a tool in the hands of the same judge or ordinary citizen, for example, as a kind of digital lawyer. But again, the same lawyer will have his own tool, let’s say, allowing to predict the outcome of a future case. Therefore, not everything will be so sad and black as Hollywood and futurologists show us. So we'll see through live ...
  49. Cube123
    Cube123 24 March 2018 11: 24
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    Quote: E_V_N
    Actually, I didn’t just point out that from a philosophical point of view, it’s also impossible to transfer or repeat human intelligence to a machine, I explained the reason for this above. Therefore, this means that it is IMPOSSIBLE not only in the foreseeable and boundless future, but NEVER.

    Sorry, but your arguments did not seem convincing to me. We disagree with you both in the statement of the problem and in the evaluation of the results obtained. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed to me that you are still a young man and you still have a lot to learn about life. If wrong, sorry hi

    P / S Your “boss” - “subordinate” scheme is abstract and divorced from life. You forget that each "boss" has his own "boss", and that one has his own. This is especially true for government agencies. Your position is close not to the "boss", but to the "owner of the business" (who hires the "bosses" and sets tasks for them), although there are always dominant factors over him. Therefore, considering only part of the problem, you often "splash out the baby’s water."
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 24 March 2018 20: 55
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      Quote: Cube123
      Sorry, but your arguments did not seem convincing to me. We disagree with you both in the statement of the problem and in the evaluation of the results obtained. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed to me that you are still a young man and you still have a lot to learn about life. If wrong, sorry
      P / S Your “boss” - “subordinate” scheme is abstract and divorced from life. You forget that each "boss" has his own "boss", and that one has his own. This is especially true for government agencies. Your position is close not to the "boss", but to the "owner of the business" (who hires the "bosses" and sets tasks for them), although there are always dominant factors over him. Therefore, considering only part of the problem, you often "splash out the baby’s water."

      If the arguments do not convince, give counter arguments. "Argument" "your arguments did not convince me, everyone remains at his own opinion" a common, but dubious way of reasoning.
      Unfortunately, I am no longer young. Although knowledge of a subject does not always depend on age.
      PS The "head-subordinate" scheme was proposed not by me, but by you, and in your scheme there was actually a construction of 1 head - 1 subordinate, which you will agree is even more divorced from life.
      But I specifically did not begin to build a hierarchical subordination scheme, because we examined the relationship of AI-man, and for this it is enough to consider any "floor" of the relationship "boss-subordinate", since it was understood that with superior competence of the subordinate, the threat to the boss is his dismissal by a superior.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 25 March 2018 00: 08
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        Quote: E_V_N
        PS The "head-subordinate" scheme was proposed not by me, but by you, and in your scheme there was actually a construction of 1 head - 1 subordinate, which you will agree is even more divorced from life.

        I meant exactly your Variant of the scheme. In my version, the principal point was either the presence or absence of feedback. Which determines the fundamental difference between a "safe" or "dangerous" option. The hierarchy in this case is not of fundamental importance. In your version - it has.

        With regard to the "arguments", it seemed to me that we are divided in principle: you imagine a world with a predetermined development and the ability to predict the distant future. In my understanding, there is always a horizon of predictability, and development is a fundamentally unpredictable process in which the arrow of time is irreversible. We will not be able to agree standing on such fundamentally different platforms. I do not consider myself so great as to claim that it is fundamentally impossible to create something under any circumstances.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 27 March 2018 00: 11
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          Quote: Cube123
          In my version, the principal point was either the presence or absence of feedback. Which determines the fundamental difference between a "safe" or "dangerous" option. The hierarchy in this case is not of fundamental importance. In your version - it has.

          The very concept of "boss-subordinate" implies a hierarchy. Any relationship "boss-subordinate, colleague, colleague implies feedback. Any" danger "for the boss can come only from a superior boss, a subordinate alone can not pose a danger by definition until the boss of his boss finds out about his abilities.
          Quote: Cube123
          You imagine a world with a predetermined development and the ability to predict the distant future. In my understanding, there is always a horizon of predictability

          So how do our positions differ in terms? I called this time the “distant future”. You are the “horizon of predictability,” but this is essentially the same thing.
  50. E_V_N
    E_V_N 24 March 2018 11: 28
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    Quote: Stanislav
    There is a circle in the definition: when defining the concept of consciousness, you resort to other concepts: I, perception, intelligence, sense of being a person (self-identity of a person), etc., which, in turn, are determined using the concept of consciousness. This is a vicious cycle inherent in erroneous reasoning. Giving the computer anthropomorphic features, we ignore the psychophysiological and psychophysical problems that contribute to the fact that such heterogeneous “glued” quasisystems (simulacra) become the muddy water in which the Academy of Sciences, academic councils, officials and corporations are fishing, engaged in expanded reproduction of degrees, ranks, positions and income. On the other hand, for the human masses, a schizophrenic cult of the superman-cyborg is created, in which the person Peter does not peer at the person of Pavel, trying to understand himself as a free person or self, but studies the functional, the options of Paul in the presence of devices fully or partially incorporated into his body, or hanging on his neck, standing on his bedside table or in the garage, evaluating his "human" level with the help of brands and numbers (money, kilometers per hour, etc.). I would like to draw attention to such aspects of AI.

    I probably just don’t know how to express my thoughts in your key.
    The question for you is what gives you a verbal definition of the concept of "consciousness", how do you define it?
    I get the impression that we approach the problem from different angles. I, as a “techie,” you as a humanist. Therefore, action-impact-reaction to impact is more important to me, and for you it is important to “define concepts and processes.
    In the meantime, I'll try to answer a little differently. There is no circle of responsibility. If some system exhibits some kind of reaction to external influence or itself produces an effect on the environment, this means that the system exists in the first place, and in the second it works (on). Otherwise, either the system is not there or it is turned off. In relation to human consciousness, if a person perceives and reacts to external influences, then he is conscious, if not, then there is no "consciousness" or it is somehow turned off.