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Potemkin villages

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Saxon diplomat Georg Gelbig, who was on business in St. Petersburg at the court of Catherine II, in 1787, together with the empress went on a journey to the distant Crimea. Upon his return, he anonymously wrote an article in the German magazine Minerva, in which he reported that the villages he had seen on his way were supposedly only painted on boards. These painted villages were built by Prince Potyomkin. Since then, the stable expression “Potemkin villages” has been formed in the sense of pretense, fraud. But really, Catherine and the persons accompanying her were so stupid that they did not notice the deception?


Potemkin villages
Grigory Potemkin (1739-1791). Unknown artist. 1847

Saxon diplomat did not like Russia. He did not like to live in her, her customs and practices. He was not at all delighted at the rapprochement of Russia with the West and was annoyed that this peasant country managed to defeat Turkey in a short time, conquered vast territories in the south, went to the sea and managed to build a military fleet there. Uneducated power could threaten an enlightened Europe. And who is Potemkin? Yes, he is none other than the "prince of darkness", embezzler, bribe taker, a liar who created the scenery on the path of the imperial carriages.

In the article, Gelbig also wrote that, according to his observations, during the trip the empress of the inhabitants of one village and their cattle were driven to another in order to show those who were driving that the villages were inhabited, the inhabitants had meat, milk, and livelihood. Gelbig launched the myth of "Potemkin Villages" into international circulation. And this myth from its submission began to be treated as a reality. In the pamphlet “Potemkin Tavrichesky”, which was published later, in Russian translation its name “Pansalvin-Prince of Darkness”, Gelbig painted his impressions, which later caused great discontent in Russia.

In fact, everything was completely wrong. The empress and her favorite Prince Grigory Potemkin planned a trip to Crimea in 1780 year. Catherine really wanted to see new lands, especially Little Russia, Tavrida, Crimea. She dreamed of seeing the Black Sea, cypress trees, breathing the air of oleanders. Prince Potemkin talked about the beautiful warm climate, about the abundant fruit trees, fruits and berries. He shared his extensive plans for the transformation of this region, the construction of new cities, settlements, fortresses from the raids of the Turks. Catherine II agreed with him, allocated funds, and Potemkin set to work. He was an irrepressible person, clutching at many things, not everything worked out as he wanted, but still he managed to build several cities that were developing according to plan and were filled with visitors.

In 1785, Count Kirill Razumovsky, the last Ukrainian hetman, went south. He visited Kherson, founded by Potemkin in 1778, examined the fortress and shipyard, then visited the military fortification (the future city of Nikolaev), also founded by Potemkin in 1784, which was to become a powerful Russian naval and shipbuilding base fleet. He also visited Yekaterinoslavl on the Dnieper. This city, according to the plan of the empress, was to become the third capital of the Russian Empire. Razumovsky noted that these cities surprise with their "lepustroystvo".

In the place of the former desert, villages appeared every 20-30 version. Potyomkin, catching the desire of his lady, tried to make Yekaterinoslav not just a provincial city, but similar to the metropolitan metropolis. He planned to build a university there, to build a conservatory, to establish the work of a dozen factories. He agitated people to go there, to explore new lands. And people rode and mastered.

At the end of 1786, Catherine expressed, finally, the wish to go on a trip in the summer of next year. Potyomkin had to hurry. He wanted to impress the Empress with various accomplishments in the south. He gave a lot of strength to strengthen the Black Sea Fleet. Created a settlement-strengthening for the Russian army. The military and service people went to the places, new settlements, villages were created.

In the autumn of 1786, Potemkin developed an approximate travel route: from Petersburg to Smolensk, from him to Chernigov and Kiev, then Ekaterinoslav, Kherson, Bakhchisarai, Sevastopol, Sudak, Feodosiya, Mariupol, Taganrog, Azov, Belgorod, Kursk, Orel, Tula, Moscow and further to St. Petersburg. The total distance is approximately 5657 versts (about 6000 kilometers), including 446 versts by water, including along the Dnieper. At the same time, the prince ordered the regiments of the Russian army to settle in the places of the travel route of the empress and invited guests, thereby ensuring the safety of the movement of the imperial expedition and having soldiers in the field to perform separate preparatory work. Only near Kiev was the army concentrated under the command of P.A. Rumyantsev number 100 thousands.


Allegory "Catherine II's Journey through the South of the Russian Empire in 1787". Unknown artist. Kon XVIII century.

2 January 1787 from St. Petersburg moved the "imperial train": 14 carriages drawn by many horses, 124 sledges with tents and 40 spare sleds, 3 thousands of people. Tall cossacks drove ahead, the horse guards accompanied the “train”. The empress herself was sitting in a carriage designed for 12 people, which were pulled by 40 horses. Among her distinguished foreign guests was the incognito Austrian Emperor Joseph II, a personal friend of the Russian Empress and her ally. There was also a Saxon diplomat Georg Gelbig.

As we approached south, small villages began to appear along the road, well-dressed peasants, and a number of peaceful cattle. Potemkin certainly tried. He showed dignitaries only the best, so he drove in advance along the entire route. He ordered me to repair the houses, paint the facades, decorate with garlands, and change the peasants in a new board. And he asked everyone to smile and wave their handkerchiefs. But there were no cheap prints on the way.

Fireworks in honor of Catherine II during her trip to the Crimea. Unknown artist. Kon XVIII century.

The “imperial train” reached Crimea at the very end of May. Especially for his arrival in the Old Crimea was built a small palace. Catherine and the persons accompanying her were met by the Tauride Regiment, who saluted her and bowed his standards to her. The whole evening played the trumpet, beat the timpani. After the salute and music, the empress was invited to drink tea in a special pavilion built in oriental style with a fountain. The Austrian emperor could not contain his emotions at the sight of such innovations: "Lord orders slaves perform- he said enviously. - Catherine can spend as much as you wish. We are beggars! Neither in Germany nor in France, no one can afford what is being done here by the Russians ... "

Joseph reflected the secret mood of many European monarchs, who envied Russia, which managed to acquire such important territories, thereby increasing its power and political weight. Especially Catherine and her guests were amazed by the view of the harbor city of Kherson, where the vineyards were blooming, you could taste grape wine. Even more admired Sevastopol, in the bay of which was located the sailing squadron-15 of large and 20 small ships. It was clear evidence that Potemkin was concerned about the development of the navy, really took up the transformation of the region.


Catherine's Mile on the northern side of Sevastopol

Catherine Miles Monuments stories and architecture, road signs built in 1784-1787. on the intended route of the Empress Catherine the Great.

After inspecting the Crimea, many diplomats went to their homes to talk about what they had seen. Prince Potemkin drove the Empress to Kharkov, where he had to part with her. At parting, the empress thanked him for what he had done and awarded him the title of "Prince of Tauride."

Catherine arrived in St. Petersburg 11 July 1787 of the year. In total, she traveled 6,5 for a month. None of the foreign guests accompanying the Russian Empress expressed his displeasure. Everyone was interested in questions: would the empress want to share such an abundance of land and does she need an influx of labor from the West?

Catherine wanted a lot and planned a lot, but the political situation unexpectedly changed, alas, not for the better. Turkey, more precisely the Ottoman Empire, its rulers, absolutely did not like this arrangement of Russia in the south. The rulers of Turkey were eager to regain their lands, which were ceded to Russia after the Russian-Turkish war of the 1768-1774, including the Crimea.

And it was here that the Austrian emperor Joseph II recalled the former hospitality of Catherine and took her side. Potemkin assumed the role of commander. That same year, 1787 had to gather troops, now to repel the enemy, to expel him from the territories conquered with such difficulty.

The war ended in 1792 with the victory of Russia and the conclusion of the Yassy peace. A significant role in the victory was played by new villages and cities created by Potemkin: Kherson, Nikolaev, Sevastopol, Yekaterinoslav.


Catherine's Cathedral in Kherson, founded by Potyomkin, where he is buried

One of the most important achievements of Grigory Potemkin is the creation of a military fleet on the Black Sea, which was originally built in a hurry, from actually poor and even useless material, but it provided invaluable services in the Russian-Turkish war. In addition, Potemkin rationalized and the form of soldiers and officers. For example, he eradicated fashion for pigtails, boules and powder, put in the form of light and thin boots.

Grigory Alexandrovich also developed and introduced in the infantry troops a clear structure of units, which made it possible to significantly increase the maneuverability, speed of operations, accuracy of single fire. Potemkin was loved by ordinary soldiers, as he advocated the humanity of the attitude of officers to subordinates.

For example, the supply and sanitary standards for the rank and file improved, and for the use of soldiers in private work, which was almost the norm, the perpetrators were subjected to the strictest, often public, punishment. Thus, thanks to Grigory Potyomkin, at least a relative order began to be induced in the Russian army.


Based on:
https://24smi.org/celebrity/3091-grigorii-potiomkin.html.
https://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/potemkinskie-derevni.
One hundred great secrets of the world. M .: Veche, 2010.
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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 24 March 2018 05: 41
    +9
    Catherine arrived in St. Petersburg 11 July 1787 of the year. In total, she traveled 6,5 for a month. None of the foreign guests accompanying the Russian Empress expressed his displeasure. Everyone was interested in questions: would the empress want to share such an abundance of land and does she need an influx of labor from the West?

    And the foreigners rolled their lips not bad. They still can’t roll it.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 24 March 2018 07: 10
      +11
      Amurtsu
      It's not about the rolled lips matter. There were always pasquilants and simply envious people, and there were a lot of things about England with the British from the Austrians and other Germans, and from the British about the Austrian Germans.
      In the case of Prince Potyomkin of Taurida, classical European envy of what he did in reality got out. Pasquille on Prince Potyomkin of Taurida appeared strongly after the trip, when * the political situation * changed in Austria. And already on the basis of libel began to develop the justification of * inferiority * RUSSIAN, because there is * evidence of an eyewitness *.
      For Hitler and his supporters, such writings became the basis of the confidence * of a quick war * for the conquest of the SOVIET UNION.
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 24 March 2018 09: 56
        +11
        Quote: Vasily50
        For Hitler and his supporters, such writings became the basis of the confidence * of a quick war * for the conquest of the SOVIET UNION

        Sorry, but this is nonsense.
        Confidence in the success of the war with the Soviet Union, among Hitler and his supporters, was based on the experience of the war with Russia in WWI. The Germans were not able to appreciate the huge leap in the development of our country that occurred after the October Revolution.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 24 March 2018 14: 15
        +3
        "for Hitler and his supporters, such writings became the basis of confidence * of a quick war *. Martirosyan and the Kremlin cite facts that suggest CHANGE in the HIGH COMMISSION. Here is the basis for the" density of the war ": German intelligence reported to the Fuhrer on contacts with the red commanders + conceit of the Fuhrer and: "On June 22, at four o'clock Kiev was bombed, we were told that the war had begun"
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 24 March 2018 18: 56
          +2
          to the monarchist
          A successful example of the seizure of power was shown by the Essential nobles in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE in February 1917 and the Trotskyists in republican Spain. This is when in a warring country, in the rear, a rebellion begins and preferably with a massacre, and then they agree with the enemy to divide the country and assert themselves in power, albeit in an occupied country.
          Martirosyan follows the realities of the actual actions of some of the generals of the SOVIET UNION. Apart from betrayal, nothing can be seen there, even there is no ideology, well, do not believe in Trotskyism as ideology.
      3. Alber
        Alber 24 March 2018 21: 47
        +2
        Quote: Vasily50
        In the case of Prince Potyomkin of Taurida, classical European envy of what he did in reality got out.

        Lying, slander, hutspa of the Anglo-Saxons in relation to Russia is a way of life. No way without them
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 24 March 2018 08: 48
      +8
      Quote: Amurets
      Everyone was interested in questions: would the empress want to share such an abundance of land and would she need an influx of labor from the West?
      And the foreigners rolled their lips not bad

      The labor force is really imported. Well, it is clear that to attract the colonists, they were given various benefits.
      Those who arrived from foreign countries to settle in Russia, should not pay any taxes to the treasury, and should not serve any ordinary, lower emergency services, nor should they support them with a word, from any taxes and burdens of freedom in the following way, namely: those who settled with many surnames and whole colonies in idle places 30 years
      The required amount of money will be given out of our treasury without any interest, but with a single salary, and then after ten years in three years on equal terms for building houses, for housekeeping for different livestock, for tools, supplies and needlework that are needed parts.
      We leave special colonies and towns that have settled their internal jurisdiction in their well-being so that our bosses will not have any part in their internal routines, but they are obliged to obey our civil right
      Foreign settlers in Russia during their entire stay in the military, lower in the civil service against their will will not be determined, except for the ordinary Zemstvo, and then after the prescribed grace years
      We allow colonies or towns that have settled in our Empire in our Empire to establish, by their own discretion, tenders and fairs without any exaction and payment of duties to Our treasury.
      And on the one hand, they seemed to do it right, attracting strangers by such conditions; and on the other, with their own, at the same time they treated them like cattle.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 March 2018 09: 02
        +6
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        And on the one hand, they seemed to be doing it right, attracting strangers by such conditions, and on the other, with their own, they treated it like cattle at the same time.

        Everything is correct. Unpopulated areas had to be upholstered. Catherine and Potemkin therefore understood this and attracted immigrants from Western Europe, especially from fragmented Germany. Under Catherine, German colonists appeared near Odessa and in the Trans-Volga steppes, and you are right to liberate or make life easier — the toad will torture you.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 24 March 2018 17: 19
          +3
          Quote: Amurets
          All right

          Right for whom? For the German colonists, it’s probably right, only that they received benefits and land at the expense of the Russian Vani who served in the army and paid taxes.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 25 March 2018 02: 18
            +1
            Quotation: blooded man
            Right for whom?

            Something Russian Vanya was in no hurry to occupy the lands on which the Volga Germans settled.
            http://elibrary.sgu.ru/uch_lit/296.pdf
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 25 March 2018 13: 18
              +1
              Quote: Amurets
              Something Russian Vanya was in no hurry to occupy the lands on which the Volga Germans settled.

              A link to the decree where the Russians were given for free land, benefits and lifting? I’m talking about freedom.

              When the Russians were given freedom and, most importantly, benefits and land, they settled in cold Siberia where living conditions are an order of magnitude worse than in the Volga region.

              Waiting for the link.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 25 March 2018 13: 36
                +1
                Quotation: blooded man
                Waiting for the link.

                http://elibrary.sgu.ru/uch_lit/296.pdf
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 25 March 2018 14: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Amurets
                  http://elibrary.sgu.ru/uch_lit/296.pdf

                  Where. Paragraph write or better page.
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 24 March 2018 17: 36
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          and you’re right to liberate or make life easier, the toad will torture you.

          The Germans were invited for the same reason that they did not release their own: a shortage of labor!
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 25 March 2018 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: Weyland
            The Germans were invited for the same reason that they did not release their own: a shortage of labor!

            Can you justify this on numbers? Well, labor shortages. You would first read the "dead souls", and then you can go on to historical literature.
      2. forester
        forester 24 March 2018 17: 58
        +2
        Fugitive serfs who managed to get to Tauris were exempted from punishment and return to the master and had the same benefits
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 25 March 2018 13: 21
          0
          Quote: forester
          Fugitive serfs who managed to get to Tauris were exempted from punishment and return to the master and had the same benefits

          Haaaaa ..
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 25 March 2018 19: 30
            +2
            Quotation: blooded man
            Haaaaa ..

            Right We ran there en masse. google Danilevsky "Runaways in New Russia"
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 13
              +2
              Quote: Weyland
              Right We ran there en masse. google Danilevsky "Runaways in New Russia"

              Dude then searched for them for decades and found and returned. How can one be compared fluently with a pure man before the law? In fact, the Russians had to RUN, and the GERMAN just to come and get everything ..
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 24 March 2018 17: 32
      +2
      Well, Catherine didn’t refuse cheap gaster. You think, where did the Volga Germans come from? In the Volga region they were evicted during WWII just from those lands!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 March 2018 23: 49
        0
        Quote: Weyland
        In the Volga region they were evicted during WWII just from those lands!

        If you are too lazy to type it yourself, then this is the story: “In the XVIII century a new ethnic group of Volga Germans appeared in Russia. They were colonists who went east in search of a better life. In the Volga region they created a whole province with a separate way of life. migrants were deported to Central Asia during World War I. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, some remained in Kazakhstan, others returned to the Volga region, others went to their historical homeland. - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/ 248778 / povoljskie-nemtsyi-is
        toriya-familii-spiski-foto-traditsii-obyichai-leg
        endyi-deportatsiya
        Link, where did the Volga Germans come from
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 25 March 2018 20: 10
      +1
      Joseph reflected the secret mood of many European monarchs who were jealous of Russia, which managed to acquire such important territories, thereby increasing its power and political weight.

      THE MAIN THING - I managed to master Novorossia for 30-50 years.
      HOW TO BE WITH STRAINS? we are discussing everything - "capture", the supreme power does not have a "capture", there is "how to master it. Make it forever your own land."
      Therefore, they did not capture (except for the resistance of the Turks and the discontent of Europe + England)
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 25 March 2018 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: Amurets
      will the empress want to share such an abundance of land and does she need an influx of labor from the West?
      And the foreigners rolled their lips not bad.
      ------------
      As a result, these lands were torn from Russia. consecrated Russian lands -Novorossiya.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 24 March 2018 06: 26
    +4
    It was simply envious to the Saxon. Although I cleaned myself up and dressed up before the arrival of the distinguished guest, our business is usual at all times. Can it still be better to be so every day?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 24 March 2018 09: 49
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Saxon just was very envious.

      But the Turks then attacked because they believed in the English tales about the "Potemkin villages".
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 24 March 2018 17: 22
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Is it still better to be so every day?

      What is it like? In the field in the weekend dress to work? In those days, there were no mangers, people were engaged in heavy manual labor.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 24 March 2018 06: 32
    +11
    You don’t understand a damn thing!
    What does it have to do with some Potemkin and some Ekaterina? Ugh on you!
    The Ukrainians did it all! The ancients. Well, very ancient! So much so that everyone managed to forget about them. But we know something! ..
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 24 March 2018 06: 47
    +4
    Thank. Famous trip. Famous Catherine Miles.
    And it’s significant - if something is well thought out, it will come true.

    Another memory of the genius - Potemkin-Tauride!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 24 March 2018 13: 58
      +4
      My friend Corsair, you must remember how we were told in history that Potemkin is a byak. At least, the example of the "Potemkin villages" was necessarily given and it was emphasized that he was a serf and landowner
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 24 March 2018 20: 52
        +2
        Great man and great man - as A.V. said about him Suvorov.
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 25 March 2018 00: 11
        +1
        Here is an example of a stigma repeated many times. And the criterion is known: “By deeds you will know them” (c)
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 March 2018 08: 22
    +10
    The article is good first of all because many will finally understand that the lands considered now by Ukraine were originally Russian.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 March 2018 09: 29
      +4
      Quote: Gardamir
      The article is good first of all because many will finally understand that the lands considered now by Ukraine were originally Russian.

      Quote: Gardamir
      were originally Russian.

      There were, yes.
      And who made the "Ukrainian" Russian cities of New Russia, created and built Russian the people, their sweat and the blood where they lived Russian peoplefrom which did the "Ukrainians"?
      Forgot?
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 24 March 2018 09: 48
        +1
        The question is rhetorical. The changing "rulers" of the 20th century.
        1. captain
          captain 24 March 2018 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: Korsar4
          The question is rhetorical. The changing "rulers" of the 20th century.

          Well, you are shy, call a spade a spade. Lenin did with the admirers of Marx. And now these fans are the most shouting about Russophobia, and about the unfortunate Russians in Ukraine.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 March 2018 10: 32
        0
        And who did
        Do not look for the guilty. Times change. Once upon a time, my hometown was set up as a fortress in the east of Russia. Then they added it to the Kazan province, then to the Gorky region, now it is the Kirov region, and the Mari Republic appeared between us and Kazan.
        See how tricky everything is.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 March 2018 10: 42
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          See how tricky everything is.

          I do not see. request
          I see RUSSIAN cities built at the end of the 18th century, i.e. More recently, they stupidly FORCED stuck just 100 years ago in some so-called "Ukraine".
          I see the "Ukrainian nation" -rusophobes artificially grown in them for 70 years.
          Other cities of the same New Russia remained Russian: the same Tiraspol, Novorossiysk, Taganrog, etc.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 March 2018 13: 34
            +8
            I do not see.
            You will live another 500 years, but you will still blame the Bolsheviks for everything. Soviet Ukraine was not Russophobic, except for its western part. The same Kharkov is always Russian, only after the Crimean forces by the joint efforts of Putin and Poroshenko, they began to drive the east into Ukrainianism.
            And you do not want to present the present authorities a gift from Norway, gifts to China and Azerbaijan, it seems not yet the last gifts.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 25 March 2018 07: 57
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              You will live another 500 years, but you will blame the Bolsheviks for everything.

              Only in those crimes that they committed against the Russian people.
              Quote: Gardamir
              Soviet Ukraine was not Russophobic, except for its western part

              Ukraine (any) is an ANTI-RUSSIAN project, which initially divided ONE ONE people.
              Little Russia is a RUSSIAN project, where Little Russians are a PART of a single Russian people. Is it really hard to remember?
              Quote: Gardamir
              The same Kharkov is always Russian, only after the Crimean joint efforts of Putin and Poroshenko, began to drive east into Ukrainianism.

              Not words! belay fool lol
              Quote: Gardamir
              And you do not want to present the present authorities a gift from Norway, gifts to China and Azerbaijan, it seems not yet the last gifts.

              I do not want, because this is nonsense. Compare one to the other - fool
              after krymnashi

              Oops! Do you condemn the reunification of Crimea? (well no)?
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 24 March 2018 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        And who made the “Ukrainian” Russian cities of New Russia, created and built by the Russian people, their sweat and blood, where did the Russian people live, of whom they made the “Ukrainians”?
        Forgot?

        No, of course - the Jew Lenin and the crest Khrushchev
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 March 2018 22: 01
          +2
          Quote: Weylan

          No, of course - the Jew Lenin and the crest Khrushchev

          Why is Lenin a Jew?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 March 2018 22: 05
            +6
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Why is Lenin a Jew?

            And for the company (such a joke, if that) laughing
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 25 March 2018 19: 31
            +1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Why is Lenin a Jew?

            according to Halacha - mother is Jewish, and therefore her son is Jewish!
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 26 March 2018 11: 39
              0
              Lenin’s mother had a father. So, according to Jewish laws, she is not Jewish either.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 26 March 2018 11: 35
          +1
          Both Lenin and Khrushchev are Russian. Lenin had a Jewish admixture, but he does not fit the definition of a Jew according to Russian or Jewish customs. And Khrushchev comes from Kalinovka, now Kursk region, quite a Great Russian settlement.
  6. Olgovich
    Olgovich 24 March 2018 09: 23
    +7
    Khersonfounded by Potemkin in 1778, examined the fortress and shipyard, then visited the military fortification (future city Николаев), also founded by Potemkin in 1784, which was to become a powerful naval and shipbuilding base of the Russian fleet. He also visited Ekaterinoslavl on the Dnieper. This city, according to the plan of the empress, was to become the third capital of the Russian Empire.

    и
    new cities created by Potemkin: Kherson, Nikolaev, Sevastopol, Yekaterinoslav.

    And these are all русские achievements and русские the cities were transferred by criminals to nobody knows whom they created previously unknown "Ukrainians" -rusophobes

    Catherine Mile in once upon a time Russian Ekaterinoslavdestroyed by the Bolsheviks who remade it in...Ukrainian Dnepropetroall. Abomination ....
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 24 March 2018 09: 31
      +7
      Quote: Olgovich
      criminals ... "Ukrainians" -rusophobes ... destroyed by the Bolsheviks ... Abomination ....

      Oh, it started!
      wassat am fellow crying
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 24 March 2018 09: 50
        +2
        Do you have your own version of what happened?
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 March 2018 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        Olgovich
        criminals ... "Ukrainians" -rusophobes ... destroyed by the Bolsheviks ... Abomination.
        Oh started

        You, as I understand it, an admirer of such an "abomination"? yes
        Who would doubt that..... hi
    2. Opera
      Opera 24 March 2018 14: 57
      +4
      You are absolutely right, Olgovich - I support! I can only add from myself - even all this Ukrainian heraldry in the form of tridents, etc., looked like a perfect looking glass in the still-waited Crimea. against the backdrop of the holy places of Russian military glory! Even just the name of the streets in Sevastopol in the Ukrainian manner is complete game! Well, those who here put Putin and Poroshenko on a par in terms of the type of Ukrainization of the East, let them simply read history books on which children were taught not only in Kharkov but also in Crimea until 2014! And after reading in silence, he will step aside if conscience is at least a little bit left!
    3. Antares
      Antares 24 March 2018 15: 15
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      Catherine’s mile in the once Russian Yekaterinoslav, destroyed by the Bolsheviks who converted it into ... Ukrainian Dnepropetrovsk. Abomination ....

      umm .. well, all 3 miles in the territory of modern Ukraine are intact, and even monuments protected by law. 7 miles in Crimea were “transferred” to the Russian Federation in good condition (also monuments protected by law)
      The city "Ukrainians" also changed, they also do not like you-the Bolsheviks and the city is now the Dnieper.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 25 March 2018 10: 25
        +1
        Quote: Antares
        The city "Ukrainians" also changed, they also do not like you-the Bolsheviks and the city is now the Dnieper.

        I don’t know such a Dnieper.
        There is Ekaterinoslav, you can and as he was called before-Novorossiysk
        Quote: Antares
        umm .. well, all 3 miles in the territory of modern Ukraine are intact, and even monuments protected by law. 7 miles in Crimea were “transferred” to the Russian Federation in good condition (also monuments protected by law)

        And?
        1. Antares
          Antares 25 March 2018 11: 45
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          I don’t know such a Dnieper.

          However, Google knows everything laughing
          Quote: Olgovich
          There is Yekaterinoslav, you can and as before, his name was Novorossiysk

          with the prefix, ex.
          History-aunt changeable. Moreover, the irony of fate is that it is the center of “Novorossia” against the so-called “Russian world” that leads this movement with its representatives and their lives (most of the draftees and volunteers have the most losses). And it didn’t happen under the Bolsheviks ... But they all fell on them. They laid a mine - and the current white fluffy rulers could not cope with the inheritance.
          Quote: Olgovich
          And?

          historical monuments, thanks to them there is ex.
          Quote: Olgovich
          Yekaterinoslav, you can, and as before, his name was Novorossiysk

          present Dnieper.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 March 2018 14: 06
            +1
            Quote: Antares
            with the prefix, ex.

            For me, not "ex."
            Quote: Antares
            . Especially irony fate is that the center of "Novorossia" is against so-called "Russian world.

            Not irony, but the crime of the Bolsheviks who grew up from the Russian "Ukrainians."
            If he had stayed in Russia, there would have been no so-called "Ukrainians".
            Russian World no N". , but quite real-see how many recruits and so-called "volunteers" the so-called "Ukraine" took away the land New Russia.. This is far from the so-called yes
            Quote: Antares
            historical monuments, thanks to them there is ex.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Yekaterinoslav, you can, and as before, his name was Novorossiysk
            .

            Thanks to the Catherine’s miles in the Crimea (did you mention them) ?! belay
            1. Antares
              Antares 25 March 2018 20: 05
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              For me, not "ex."

              Nobody restricted you in the right to consider so. But officially now it is the city of the Dnieper. Republic of Ukraine.
              Quote: Olgovich
              If he had stayed in Russia, there would have been no so-called "Ukrainians".

              Well, with such a policy, Voronezh will come to the bombing ... and they will rejoice. Tver is not Moscow something like that ....
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russian World is not a "so-called". , but quite real, look how many recruits, and so on. "volunteers" the so-called "Ukraine" took away the land of New Russia.

              At the moment, the historical Novorossiya (Provinces with a center) created by Potemikin is at war with the "Russian world! (As it were called 1/3 of the Don. And Lugansk regions)
              Here is the smile of history ...
              As for the victims, they are. And most importantly, "Yekaterinoslav" (the current Dnieper) suffered the most casualties by the soldiers, and gave the most draftees for a year already!
              Quote: Olgovich
              Thanks to the Catherine’s miles in Crimea (did you mention them)?

              cities in themselves are monuments and keepers of history ..... After all, a city is a concentration of all human progress.
              1. Opera
                Opera 25 March 2018 21: 49
                +1
                This is a completely unnecessary argument at the moment! He will judge the near future. Then we’ll discuss it. Unless I can tell you, Novorossia in its current state is DNR-LNR, which is the front line of the Russian world! Yes, and in the Dnieper, even if you name it Dneprobanderovsk, not everyone considers themselves border guards of the European Union! Wait and see! There are wonderful words put by the great Russian writer Gogol into the mouth of the Cossack colonel Taras Bulba about Russian land and partnership! Read. History sooner or later puts everything in its place!
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 March 2018 06: 33
                +1
                Quote: Antares
                But officially now it is the city of Dnieper. Republic of Ukraine.

                so
                Quote: Antares
                Nobody restricted you in the right to consider so.

                And Crimea is also the so-called "Ukraine" -You think so, sure. lol .
                Quote: Antares
                Well, with such a policy, Voronezh will come to the bombing ... and they will rejoice. Tver is not Moscow something like that ....

                belay With a fright? fool
                Quote: Antares
                At the moment, the historical Novorossiya (Provinces with a center) created by Potemikin is at war with the "Russian world! (As it were called 1/3 of the Don. And Lugansk regions)

                All the so-called "Ukraine" is fighting with the People's Republics.
                Quote: Antares
                As for the victims, they are. And most importantly, Yekaterinoslav (the present Dnieper) suffered the most casualties warriors and gave most of the draftees for a year already!

                in the Second World War there were tens of thousands of gangsters who fought with their own people.
                So today, in Yekaterinoslav such gangsters . Family is not without freaks
                Quote: Antares
                cities themselves are monuments and keepers of history ...

                Only when they KEEP their story. For example, store or return their historical name. No so-called Dnieper never did not have.
                Ivana, not remembering kinship ....
                ONCE AGAIN: they would leave Yekaterinoslav as part of Russia, and he would be rooting for Novorossia today, as well as neighboring Voronezh and Belgorod ...
              3. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 26 March 2018 11: 47
                0
                Your country is officially called Ukraine. The word "republic" is not in the title. Four republics in Europe, in the name of which there is no word "republic" - Russia, Ukraine, Hungary and Switzerland.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  Four republics in Europe, in the name of which there is no word "republic" - Russia, Ukraine, Hungary and Switzerland.

                  Russia and Switzerland have a federal structure, not a republican one.
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 31 March 2018 11: 31
                    +1
                    The Federation may be a republic - the USA, the Russian Federation, Brazil, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Switzerland, or it may be a monarchy - Belgium, Australia, Canada, Malaysia, the United Arab Emirates. There are unitary states and there are federal states, there are republics and there are monarchies. Catch a thought?))
              4. co-creator
                co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 16
                +1
                Quote: Antares
                Well, with such a policy, Voronezh’s bombing will come ...

                And who will bomb?

                ps In Donbass, 60% of the last census were Ukrainians, now there are 20% of these according to recent polls, and you just need to slightly change the propaganda for this.
    4. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 26 March 2018 08: 37
      0
      so then in Ukrainian it’s generally the Dnieper
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 26 March 2018 08: 41
        +1
        Quote: Rey_ka
        so then in Ukrainian it’s generally the Dnieper

        I prefer its historical, beautiful name: YEKATERINOSLAV
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 March 2018 11: 42
      +1
      There is no need to go to extremes. Ukraine and Ukrainians undoubtedly exist. However, Novorossia is not Ukraine, although part of its inhabitants are Ukrainians who took part in the colonization of the region during the time of the Russian Empire. Thank God, we did not think of passing the Kuban to Ukraine and Bryansk from Smolensk Belarus. And some leaders had such thoughts in the 20s.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 26 March 2018 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        although some of its inhabitants areabout Ukrainianswho participated in the colonization of the region during the Russian Empire.

        In the days of Novorossia’s construction, “Ukrainians” did NOT exist yet. This is a later project.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 31 March 2018 11: 32
          0
          But now a significant part of the descendants of those migrants considers themselves to be Ukrainians. This is a fact, nothing can be done about it.
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 31 March 2018 11: 50
            +1
            Quote: Sergej1972
            But now a significant part of the descendants of those migrants considers themselves to be Ukrainians. This is a fact, nothing can be done about it.

            Believes this is true. It is enough to change the propaganda and this significant part will consider itself Russian, as shown for example by the Donbass and the same Crimea where even those 20% of supposedly Ukrainians already consider themselves Russian. And about the children, I generally keep quiet; it’s generally easy to change their identity.
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 24 March 2018 09: 50
    +2
    Even if there were "villages" - this is immaterial. It is important that the "investments" went to the lands of Russia, and not some "Kirkuk" or "Sudan".
    ps I was surprised by the year of planning the “trip” - 1780, (3 years before the “Manifesto on the annexation of the Crimea ...”. Shagin-Girey was still in power, and the Murzes were set up by Turkish women.
    1. bubalik
      24 March 2018 11: 17
      +4
      I was surprised by the year of planning the “trip” - 1780, (for 3 of the year before the “Manifesto on the annexation of Crimea ...”. Shagin-Girey was still in power, and the Murzes were set up by Turkish women

      ,,, Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty is rightfully considered one of the brilliant victories of Russian diplomacy. Russia acquired Kerch, Enikale, Kinburn, the entire space between the Bug and the Dnieper, Azov, Kabarda, the Kuban and Terek valleys, received the right to freely sail along the Black Sea and build military fortresses and shipyards on the lands transferred to it by Porta. In addition, the Crimean Khanate became independent from Turkey, which affected its defenses, since it could no longer count on military assistance from the Ottoman Empire. Petersburg received the right of intercession for Christians in Moldova, Wallachia and the Crimea, which provided Russia with the opportunity to intervene in the internal affairs of Turkey and its satellites ,,,
      ,,, Christian communities of Greeks and Armenians experienced black times, as well as supporters of the “Russian” party in Crimea. Its head, the heir to the throne, Shagin-Girey, demanded immediate armed assistance from St. Petersburg. In turn, Davlet-Giray was expecting the arrival of the Turkish fleet from the shores of Constantinople. The threat of a new military clash between Russia and Turkey hung in the air.
      Only very quick actions could save the situation. “The courier came from Prozorovsky. The khan was chosen, ”said Yekaterina Potemkin in a short undated note relating to the first days of April of the 1777. Prince A. A. Prozorovsky and his corps occupied Perekop, and A. V. Suvorov, who replaced him, was sent to Crimea by order of Potemkin, one a cavalry maneuver scattered supporters of Davlet-Giray. Russian troops met in Karasu-Bazar Shagin-Giray, who was elected Bakhchisarai couch to the khan’s throne on March 29. The Turkish fleet lost its official reason for landing its troops, because the new khan proclaimed himself an ally of Russia, but the Russian army acquired legitimate grounds for presence in the Crimea.

      http://militera.lib.ru/research/eliseeva_oi/pre.h
      tml
  8. bubalik
    24 March 2018 10: 15
    +4
    The “Russian theme” became for Gelbig the main source of income, in 1808 he publishes the equally popular “Biography of Peter III”, where, of course, Catherine II is declared the culprit of her husband’s death, and in 1809 the new pamphlet “Russian Favorites” is declared, known in Russia under the name "Russian Chosen". It seems strange that after the death of her protagonists, when Catherine II and Potemkin had long since departed for another world, Gelbig continued to fight with unrelenting fury against the shadows of people who had not done anything bad to him personally. For some reason, the diplomat needed to discredit the enormous political and cultural heritage of Catherine II, and first of all in the field of foreign policy, where Potemkin worked ...


    Lovyagin AM Grigory A. Potemkin // Russian Biographical Dictionary T 14 SPb, 1905
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 March 2018 11: 52
    +4
    "He ordered mending the house, painted the facades, decorated with garlands, dressed the peasants in a new board." ////

    But now, is it somehow different? smile They put disposable asphalt on the main street, paint the facades, and the grass is tinted green. The high authorities passed - "fu, carried!".
    1. bubalik
      24 March 2018 11: 59
      +5
      What, is it somehow different now?
      ,, dresses do not give wassat

      Preparing Samara for the World Cup18 belay


      when preparing Samara for the 2018 World Cup, contractors will make 104 raised façade for buildings located along the guest and tourist routes, and will install profiled sheet fences with a length of about 9 linear kilometers. wassat
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 March 2018 15: 20
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The high authorities passed - "fu, carried!".

        Sometimes they laugh, as Yeltsin laughed: “What are you working on a new technology, he asked our road workers, when they laid asphalt in the rain before his arrival. He arrived ahead of time, but did not have time to put asphalt.
        Quote: bubalik
        By the 2018 World Cup, contractors will manufacture 104 raised façades for buildings along guest and tourist routes and will install profiled sheet fences with a length of about 9 linear kilometers.

        Well, this is also not news, by the arrival of GDP the city as a city, harvesters will not decorate anything again, but by the time DAM arrives in 2008, it was all as voyaka uh describes. So at our company, which he honored with his visit, three didn’t work for two: the territory was cleaned for two days, and on the third day his guards demanded that there were no unnecessary people on the territory, and all the entrances to the company were covered with shields and corrugated board.
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 25 March 2018 13: 35
        +2
        Quote: bubalik
        when preparing Samara for the 2018 World Cup, contractors will make 104 raised façade for buildings located along the guest and tourist routes, and will install profiled sheet fences with a length of about 9 linear kilometers.

        Mmmm ... it’s not clear what you mean? Hiding old buildings and putting things in order for big competitions is accepted all over the world. Not only we came up with it and not only we do it. It’s kind of a little different.
        1. bubalik
          25 March 2018 15: 22
          +1
          fellow believer Today, 14: 35Mmmm ... it is not clear what are you talking about?
          ,,, hide so hide, who are against, but not in such ways (see photo above) as they conduct in Samara ,,, would be demolished completely ,,,
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 25 March 2018 15: 39
            +1
            Quote: bubalik
            ,, to hide in such a way, who is against it, but not in such ways (see photo above) as they conduct in Samara ,,, would be demolished completely ,,,

            To demolish? And if this house is an architectural monument or if there is a whole street of such houses and people don’t agree to move to damn Easter cakes and require (justifiably) an apartment in the same area.
            This needs to be dealt with systematically, and not demolished because foreigners will see. Another question is why no one is doing this.
            In Nizhny Novgorod, for example, there was a whole street of about the same houses almost in the center of the city. Everyone who didn’t come was simply amazed how such a thing could be, and even Putin about 10 years ago when he saw this, and the governor asked, “how so?” Huber certainly said, we’ll fix everything and ... only last year they demolished the last house. That is, for 10 years they could not or did not want to do anything, since at first the houses were like architectural monuments and then people wanted apartments in the center. Of course, the region could buy people apartments, break houses or reconstruct them, but this is regional budget money and the interests of local elites.
            1. bubalik
              25 March 2018 15: 43
              +1
              even Putin, 10 years ago, when he saw it, and the governor asked, "how so?"
              Well, it’s not Putin who should do this request
              1. bubalik
                25 March 2018 15: 57
                +1
                Especially this “historical” monument, in the foreground, in the background Sberbank
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 25 March 2018 16: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: bubalik
                  Especially this “historical” monument, in the foreground, in the background Sberbank

                  Norm laughing
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 25 March 2018 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But now, is it somehow different? They put disposable asphalt on the main street, paint the facades, and the grass is tinted green. The high authorities passed - "fu, carried!".

      Well, they do everywhere in the West too.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 March 2018 15: 25
        +2
        There (if you are about Western Europe) there is no need.
        And there is asphalt, and the facades are painted (on all streets).
        And there is no high bosses to be afraid of either.
        1. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 26 March 2018 08: 35
          0
          No bosses !? or is it like a gopher?
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 22
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There (if you are about Western Europe) there is no need.

          There is always a need to hide flaws if a career, financing, etc. depends on it.

          Quote: voyaka uh
          And there is asphalt, and the facades are painted (on all streets).

          Alexei, you are of course a noble Troll, but people from the Russian Federation also travel abroad and see everything with their own eyes. For example, Paris today is a big mess, about Naples I generally keep quiet. Prague is almost all in graffiti. In short, you can always list.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And there is no high bosses to be afraid of either.

          And where it disappeared, the authorities then. Communities lead countries and cities themselves at the veche?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 March 2018 16: 58
            0
            "Where did it disappear" ///

            It is, but they are not afraid of it.
            The prime minister or president does not have
            authority to remove the mayor of the city.
            This can only be done by the residents of the city who have chosen it.
            Therefore, there is no need for the arrival of the Prime Minister / President
            paint walls, lay asphalt, etc.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 3 2018 23: 00
              0
              In most European countries, it is not residents who elect mayors, but city councils or their analogues. And in Northern Europe, formal appointment is practiced. Formal, because a candidacy is proposed by the City Council. In France, the government can either remove the mayor altogether or transfer the duties of the state representative in the commune (one of the mayor's functions) to another person, leaving him the chairmanship of the communal council.
  10. captain
    captain 24 March 2018 11: 54
    +1
    Well, we still have politicians who use the expression "Potemkin villages." It seems like a lawyer, but he knows the story from libel. For example, Medvedev.
    1. Alf
      Alf 24 March 2018 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: captain
      It seems like a lawyer, but he knows the story from libel. For example, Medvedev.

      Something tells me that the iPhone is not only a historian, but also no lawyer.
  11. Palagecha
    Palagecha 24 March 2018 13: 14
    +4
    It is only a pity that if Catherine was taken along this route now, she would not see either huge herding herds on green lawns, nor cheerful peyzans with peyzans, waving handkerchiefs, nor obese fields, nor pleasant subjects in conversation ... especially she would have been glad to how crippled her empire became ... but most of all it would probably have been shocked by the scope and breadth of the current embezzlers ... Poor, she did not even imagine what real embezzlement was!
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 March 2018 13: 49
    +3
    Quote: Amurets
    Catherine arrived in St. Petersburg 11 July 1787 of the year. In total, she traveled 6,5 for a month. None of the foreign guests accompanying the Russian Empress expressed his displeasure. Everyone was interested in questions: would the empress want to share such an abundance of land and does she need an influx of labor from the West?

    And the foreigners rolled their lips not bad. They still can’t roll it.

    Probably because Gelbig saw the "Potemkin villages": he needed a clean space, and Potemkin was already populating
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 March 2018 14: 57
      0
      Quote: Monarchist
      Probably because Gelbig saw the "Potemkin villages": he needed a clean space, and Potemkin was already populating

      From various authors, including Catherine’s diary, I met that Potemkin wanted to show how this land would be populated and equipped. And Gelbig wrote his libel out of envy.
  13. Antares
    Antares 24 March 2018 15: 26
    +2
    In 1785, Count Kirill Razumovsky, the last Ukrainian hetman, went south
    He also visited Yekaterinoslavl on the Dnieper. This city, according to the plan of the empress, was to become the third capital of the Russian Empire. Razumovsky noted that these cities surprise with their "lepustroystvo".

    The Earl was then Elizabeth's favorite. The richest man in the empire. One of the conspirators -Sofia Augustus sat on the Russian throne. Colonel of the Guard ... and so on and so on ..
    Why was he sent? Yes, because he is a Ukrainian hetman ... and the edges are familiar to him. He also did a lot for the empire and Ukraine.
    It's funny that Yekaterinoslav was supposed to be the center and the 3rd city of the empire ... then Kherson should be .. and my city became. Nobody expected.

    Here he found a place below the Empress. This is not counting its many monuments and palaces .. Yes, the stairs
    Thank him for the prosperity of the region ...
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 24 March 2018 17: 41
      +2
      Quote: Antares
      The Earl was then Elizabeth's favorite. The richest man in the empire.

      A little beguiled: Hetman Kirill Razumovsky - brother favorite of Elizabeth!
      1. Antares
        Antares 25 March 2018 11: 52
        0
        Quote: Weyland
        Quote: Antares
        The Earl was then Elizabeth's favorite. The richest man in the empire.

        A little beguiled: Hetman Kirill Razumovsky - brother favorite of Elizabeth!

        Right Alexei his brother was a favorite ... He made a gross mistake - forgetting about his brother ..
        How could I forget about how a simple Cossack became a favorite of the Empress .... Moreover, he left his inheritance to his brother
        The entire state of the deceased count passed to his brother Cyril, since he did not leave his own children

        Thanks for the correction.
  14. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 24 March 2018 16: 15
    0
    An article about current events with an enlightened geyropay.
  15. Curious
    Curious 24 March 2018 18: 22
    +5
    An article of the level "for olgovich". This category needs not so much facts as an excuse to throw an extra shovel of manure onto a fan. The hysteria about "forcibly remade Russians into Ukrainian Ukrainians" is especially amusing, accompanied by head banging on the wall.
    But back to Potemkin and the Potemkin villages. The authorship of the legend is attributed to the Saxon diplomat Georg Gelbig only in literature at the level of “just a hundred great ....” The author of the article also refers to this book.
    In reality, everything was much more complicated.
    The idea of ​​“Potemkin villages” arose several months before Catherine II set foot on the newly acquired Russian lands.
    There is no paradox in this, given the atmosphere of rivalry, slander and mutual hatred in which St. Petersburg high society lived. The tsarina was still told in St. Petersburg that she would see the vision of painted decorations, rather than long-term buildings. This can be found in the "Notes" by M. A. Garnovsky, who managed the affairs of Potemkin in St. Petersburg). Talks about the indispensable mystification became even more lively in Kiev, and Catherine II quite seriously listened to them.
    As for the foreigners' opinions about the trip, the statement of the Swedish eyewitness John-Albert Ehrenstrom can be considered typical in this sense: “By nature empty steppes ... were inhabited by orders of Potemkin, villages were visible at a great distance, but they were painted on the screens ; people and herds were driven to appear for this occasion, to give the autocrat an advantageous concept of the wealth of this country ... Everywhere you could see shops with beautiful silver things and expensive jewelry, but the shops were the same and were transported from one overnight stay by Catherine II to other".
    By the way, not only foreigners were noted in this field. Contemporaries of the travel of 1787 made many harsh judgments about the "miracles" shown to the empress. “The monarchy saw and did not see,” wrote Prince M. M. Shcherbatov, “and its testimony and praise are in vain, by the very action they teach the monarchs not to praise what they themselves do not know.” From M. Shcherbatov’s contemporaries, such a view was shared by state minds like P. A. Rumyantsev and A. A. Bezborodko.
    So the source of the legend should rather be considered not a specific person, but the environment of the "European politicum", frightened by the grandeur of Russia's plans. But we must not forget about the Russian echoes - they were discussed above; their position is that of Potemkin’s competitors, their creeps were primarily careeristic.
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 25 March 2018 13: 29
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      The hysteria about "forcibly remade Russians into Ukrainian Ukrainians" is especially amusing, accompanied by head banging on the wall.

      Well, there is nothing funny in Mankurst.
      Quote: Curious
      So the source of the legend should rather be considered not a specific person, but the environment of the "European politicum", frightened by the grandeur of Russia's plans.

      That is, specifically this person did not write this, or shaw? You have a mess in your mind.
      Quote: Curious
      But we must not forget about the Russian echoes - they were discussed above; their position is that of Potemkin’s competitors, their creeps were primarily careeristic.

      There has always been intrigue, but the concept of "Potemkin villages" came from the west.
      Quote: Curious
      An article of the level "for olgovich". This category needs not so much facts as an excuse to throw an extra shovel of manure onto a fan.

      In fact, you did not refute the article in any way, but only clarified a little. And of course, they personally expressed their attitude towards Olgovich and justified Mankurst. I understand for this and wrote koment.
      1. Curious
        Curious 25 March 2018 13: 40
        0
        I understand that you wrote your own, because you really want Dima Kurtzman to catch the eye. Try, maybe something will work out.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 25 March 2018 14: 43
          0
          Quote: Curious
          I understand that you wrote your own, because you really want Dima Kurtzman to catch the eye. Try, maybe something will work out.

          I do not know who Dima is and especially Kurtzman. If this is Olgovich, it was you who wrote about him, but I just noticed it because your text does not match "This category needs not so much facts, but an excuse to throw an extra shovel of manure on a fan." since you have not refuted a single fact in the article. but just supplemented it.

          In fact, do you have a hundred?
          1. Curious
            Curious 25 March 2018 15: 19
            0
            Well, if you don’t know what to say about Potemkin. That's when you know, then come. And then a person writes about you, but you do not know him. Ugly.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 25 March 2018 15: 43
              0
              Vitya, you would enlighten the foolish about Dima and especially Kurtzman laughing
              How do you live easily mankurt, wrote a set of words in the bushes.
              1. Curious
                Curious 25 March 2018 16: 51
                +1
                Judging by your perseverance, you not only do not know Kurtzman, but also did not see Brant and Montesquieu in the eye. Work on yourself. All the best.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 26 March 2018 15: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Curious
                  but Brant and Montesquieu did not see in the eye.

                  Of course I didn’t see it, but do you have the opportunity to communicate with the dead?
                  Quote: Curious
                  Work on yourself. All the best.

                  Mankurt again ran into the bushes.
    2. Antares
      Antares 25 March 2018 20: 08
      +2
      Quote: Curious
      this is the position of Potemkin's competitors, their creeps were primarily careeristic.

      favoritism is fierce competition. Come on, all ...
      Catherine already had the experience of long trips through the outback of Russia.
  16. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 24 March 2018 21: 39
    +2
    [quote = voyaka uh] "He ordered mending at home, painted the facades, decorated with garlands, dressed peasants in a new board." ////

    But now, is it somehow different? smile They put disposable asphalt on the main street, paint the facades, and the grass is tinted green. Passed by the high authorities - "fu, carried!". [/
    This is how bad you live in Israel. No help needed?
  17. Servla
    Servla 25 March 2018 19: 03
    +2
    The most interesting thing in history is that none of us will ever know how it really was. a) Because those who participated could write the lie to which we refer, b) because we were not there, but the expression remained. Everyone believes in what he wants to believe.
  18. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 26 March 2018 08: 33
    0
    Come on and the Crimean bridge is also drawn?
  19. icas
    icas 26 March 2018 08: 34
    +1
    Potemkin and his "child" Ushakov. Both are great people who have done priceless deeds for Russia.