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FSB wins Telegram in Supreme Court

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In the Supreme Court of Russia, Telegram’s management’s claim to the Federal Security Service regarding the requirements of the special services to provide its keys to decrypt messages from messenger users was examined. According to the company's management, such information is confidential and its transfer to a third party violates the constitutional right of citizens to privacy of correspondence.


Today a representative of the FSB in court noted that the decoding messages of Telegram users' keys are a technical tool and do not relate to information for which the FSB needs court permission. It is noted that the requested data is not protected by the Russian Constitution.

FSB wins Telegram in Supreme Court


RBC publishes the final verdict of the Supreme Court:
The claim Telegram Messenger LLP refuse.


The Supreme Court’s decision was also supported by the Prosecutor General’s Office, noting that the technological aspects of the messenger’s work requested by the FSB are part of the tasks of the special services to ensure the safety of Russian citizens.

Representative Telegram Messenger LLP He said that an appeal against the decision of the Supreme Court would be filed.
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  1. The black
    The black 20 March 2018 13: 02
    +7
    The Supreme Court of Russia considered the Telegram management’s lawsuit against the Federal Security Service regarding the requirements of the special services to provide its keys for decrypting messages of messenger users.
    How unexpected! smile.... however, you need to be very naive to think that this messenger is really "unavailable" for control by special services
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 20 March 2018 13: 03
      +31615314346
      House-xnumx would still win smile
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 13: 13
        +31615314346
        Quote: Thrall
        House-xnumx would still win smile

        There is a remedy. Verified ...
        1. Forcecom
          Forcecom 20 March 2018 13: 31
          +5
          there is such an "iron tree" involved, that you need at least 12,7 mm, and preferably 14.5 mm. Although I vote for RPO-A, "Bumblebee" is our everything.
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 20 March 2018 14: 28
          +3
          Alex, I welcome you hi
          But will not it be enough? As one famous song says: “But they would have long been needed, put together in a large herd and wiped them off the face of the earth with a nuclear bomb” wink This one will be more.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 14: 33
            +8
            Sergey, hi !
            Quote: Svarog51
            But will not it be enough?
            The machine is too great ... fellow And for "House-2" on TT in each hand and three clips to each. Quite enough
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 20 March 2018 14: 36
              +2
              The machine is too great ...

              I agree, Alex. I went too far with YaRS. Your method is less dangerous for everyone else. good
          2. Voyager
            Voyager 20 March 2018 21: 55
            +3
            Nothing more than a Tsar Bullet)
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 20 March 2018 22: 23
              +4
              Andrei hi I suspect this is a bullet for the Queen of the House-2. wink
              1. Voyager
                Voyager 20 March 2018 23: 13
                +2
                hi Bow, Sergey. But before the election, sometimes hypothetically, for the sake of laughter, you will think about what would happen if ... and then you understand, such a bullet is in the hands of the CHIEF COMMANDING from House-2. Brrr ..
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 23: 30
                  +7
                  Quote: Voyager
                  But before the election, sometimes hypothetically, for the sake of laughter, you will think about what would happen if ... and then you understand, such a bullet is in the hands of the CHIEF COMMANDING from House-2. Brrr ..

                  Not in the hands, but in the head ... good And one more, personally for the CHIEF COMMANDING - in the jaw. Plastic surgery. Papa-Sobchak, apparently when the Horse was a small foal, apparently, there was not enough money for brackets ....
              2. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 23: 28
                +7
                Quote: Voyager
                Nothing more than a Tsar Bullet)

                Quote: Svarog51
                Andrei hi I suspect this is a bullet for the Queen of the House-2. wink

                "Just something" 7,62x25 ... lol And the queen, and all her entourage, one at a time, so that happiness is quickly found .... laughing
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 21 March 2018 00: 04
                  +2
                  What is it one by one? A control pity? God forbid, these zombies will come to life. lol
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 21 March 2018 04: 05
                    +7
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    What is it one by one? A control pity? God forbid, these zombies will come to life. lol

                    The control bandits in the 90's invented. I'm not a bandit - a soldier. We were taught to save Vasily Filippich ammunition
                    My first shot - and on target!
        3. proletarian
          proletarian 20 March 2018 23: 14
          +2
          C'mon, not that the good old TT or PPSh, in my purely personal opinion, PPSh will be more effective, though the “infection” is rather heavy, but then “foolishness” knocks everybody out of the head “at times”, which is true along with the brains (if any) and other parts of the "carcass".
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 23: 29
            +6
            Quote: proletarian
            C'mon, not that good old TT

            Imanno ... good
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 23: 37
              +3
              And I had a 42 rocket launcher year of release. I shot her into a push with a hunting cartridge, and she fell apart. laughing
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 23: 48
                +7
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                And I had a 42 rocket launcher year of release. I shot her into a push with a hunting cartridge, and she fell apart. laughing

                TT will not fall apart. Especially if in the 90's I wasn’t in the hands of the “lads”, who considered it normal to shoot beer cans on the “wild” beach, and then throw it in the sand. If he was in the right hands, then EXACTLY will not fall apart ....
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 23: 56
                  +2
                  Teteshnik cost in the nineties and a half million. With two clips. I didn’t have enough money. laughing
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 21 March 2018 00: 09
                    +7
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Teteshnik cost in the nineties and a half million. With two clips. I didn’t have enough money. laughing

                    Just a washing machine (I bought in 96).
                    I don’t have mine, my friend from his father remained award, from the war. Sometimes we gather at the cottage, drive away to the fields, populate the forest ... I am from him, he is from my two, my grandson is from all three ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 21 March 2018 00: 16
                      +2
                      Really? A friend of the KGB general drove a friend of mine, so he remained with a registered PSS.
                      1. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 21 March 2018 00: 34
                        +7
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Really? A friend of the KGB general drove a friend of mine, so he remained with a registered PSS.

                        I already spoke here once in a certain topic - I have PSM from the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and "Beretta 92" from the government in one half-wild, but friendly USSR country. Gilded. It is well known - the poorer the country, the more expensive the rewards. In monetary terms lol In Russia, for example, in ruble terms, the most expensive award is the local award of the Chechen Republic - the order of Akhmad Kadyrov. Well, they didn’t stint my gilding - okay, they didn’t think of making all of gold. lol
            2. proletarian
              proletarian 20 March 2018 23: 49
              +2
              Well tady order.
      2. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 20 March 2018 13: 15
        +6
        Well, this Dur "House-2" is somewhat safer. But these "Nikonor offices" for intimate communication raise many questions. Even if there is the slightest suspicion, the FSB should have a legitimate opportunity to control such “communications”.
        The Russian Federal Security Service found that the terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg metro in April 2017 was prepared using Telegram. Representatives of the power department claim that the terrorists communicated with their curators from abroad using this messenger.
        http://www.mk.ru/politics/2017/06/26/fsb-terroris
        ty-ispolzovali-telegram-pered-vzryvom-v-metro-pet
        erburga.html
      3. The black
        The black 20 March 2018 13: 18
        +3
        Quote: Thrall
        House-xnumx would still win

        you can’t ... this is the forge of the liberal opposition laughing
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 20 March 2018 13: 48
          +4
          FSB wins Telegram in Supreme Court
          paragraph ... tough times ... KaGeBe had no idea who to sue ... soon, gender priorities will be ... madhouse.
    2. awl
      awl 21 March 2018 07: 23
      0
      We must break telegrams angry through it all drug trafficking takes place angry I’m only glad that this happened, they seemed to be given 15 days to pass the encryption keys to the FSB! good
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 4 2018 14: 37
        0
        And then you periodically climbed into one place, so God forbid they didn’t vote for another
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 March 2018 13: 04
    +3
    A spokesman for Telegram Messenger LLP said that an appeal will be made against the decision of the Supreme Court.
    Probably the Americans will complain through the ECHR, because work at the facilities of American and German companies.
  3. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 13: 07
    +31615314346
    Complain, complain ... And then as I look you are well settled! The FSB is no longer a decree for you ... Work is such a state security, for the sake of this they are doing what they are supposed to ... I hope that they will take control of a potential swamp!
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 13: 20
      +31615314346
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Complain, complain ... And then as I look you are well settled! The FSB is no longer a decree for you ... Work is such a state security, for the sake of this they are doing what they are supposed to ...

      I would have watched someone in the 70 go to court with the KGB. He simply would not have appeared in court, nor at home, nor at work. I would be found in a couple of months either in a yellow house (at best), or in a morgue. In 90, the "bloody gebnya" was almost dismissed. What led - we all know ... I hope the FSB will slowly restore its efficiency ...
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        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 17: 33
          +9
          Quote: Lacoste
          permissiveness to garbage - will never be given. And rightly so, what is the rule on the bandit in uniform?

          You just do not confuse the police with the FSB - In the FSB, as before in the KGB, they don’t take anyone from the street. And the police ... Oh, oh, sorry, POLICE .... We have PPSnikov shibzdiki walking around the market near my house - they are chewing seeds, shoulder straps hanging somewhere on elbows, rubber sticks dragging on the ground, cigarettes on women -bargains shoot ... Defenders ... Shameful .... Pick anyone horrible at the ad ...
          Nothing ... And the turn will reach them ... am
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 21 March 2018 03: 47
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            You just do not confuse the police with the FSB

            to be honest ... with all due respect .... it doesn’t do you any special honor that when you make excuses for some worthless lacoste that allows you to use the frankly boorish word in the direction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, you yourself expose the Ministry of Internal Affairs in an unsightly light, just to shield FSB !!! negative negative request request nuuuu ... using your method, catch ... and ... "do not confuse the police with the FSB ..." !!! wink tongue tongue wassat laughing laughing laughing it's straight from the fresh - yesterday !!! lol lol lol


            Moscow detained two employees of the "M" FSB Russia and the deputy chief of the Internal Affairs Directorate for NEAD metropolitan chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. They are suspected of receiving a 6 million rubles bribe for illegally registering foreign citizens for migration registration. This was reported to TASS by a source in law enforcement agencies.

            https://www.bfm.ru/news/380220
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 21 March 2018 04: 14
              +6
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              In Moscow, two officers of the “M” department of the FSB of Russia and the deputy chief of the Internal Affairs Directorate in the North Eastern Administrative District of the capital’s Interior Ministry headquarters were detained.

              Dear Nicholas! You don’t confuse PPS, GAI and operas who work on the ground and dig that land ... Only operas in the police are much smaller than PPSniks who gnaw seeds and shoot cigarettes ... And I said IMPORTANT about PPS, about the GAI, not for ALL police. You think the KGB-FSB doesn’t have such slammers?
              I once asked neighbors in my country house, former operas, why did they say hello, talk to former gay people who live on the next street, and they never called for a “glass of tea”. They answered me in unison: "The cop is not a traffic cop for Kent" ....
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 21 March 2018 21: 03
                0
                I believe that explaining something to a freak who calmly extrapolates the word garbage at all does not honor you !!! request request at the same time, you begin to water the police / police along with him !! negative negative negative moreover, in a strange way, some are trying to whiten slightly, others - to tarnish !!! so much more PPSnikov and GAI officers die in fights in criminals than OPERS !!!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 March 2018 19: 29
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        I hope the FSB will slowly restore its efficiency ..

        and reputation.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 20 March 2018 20: 31
          +7
          Andrey Yuryevich, hi !
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          I hope the FSB will slowly restore its efficiency ..

          and reputation.

          The reputation of the KGB-FSB as a "bloody gebni" is for Gozman and Amnuel. I myself never served there, but by the nature of my service, I had to talk with these guys to hell. Gave them some non-disclosure subscriptions somewhere with "War and Peace" lol . I assure you that among them there are a hundred more normal guys than anywhere else. Of course, everyone came across ... But, firstly, the selection there is not tough, but VERY tough - they don’t take anyone from the street upon the announcement of anyone and in the direction of the military commissariat or the district committee of the Komsomol too. Secondly, as we were pumped up, that no matter where and no matter what tasks we carry out - we are defending our Motherland, so we processed them. Maybe they’ve pumped harder ... So they didn’t tarnish their reputation in my eyes with the fact that they kept Novodvorskaya in a fool and the provocateur Solzhenitsyn from the country ...
          1. bk316
            bk316 21 March 2018 11: 56
            +4
            I believe you that among them there are a hundred more normal guys than anywhere else.

            100% Well, they say that it is still better in SVR, but I never crossed paths with them, or maybe crossed paths but did not understand bully
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 21 March 2018 18: 05
              +6
              Quote: bk316
              I believe you that among them there are a hundred more normal guys than anywhere else.

              100% Well, they say that it is still better in SVR, but I never crossed paths with them, or maybe crossed paths but did not understand bully

              Your words, Vladimir, are confirmed by the fact that almost 18% of voters chose one guy from the SVR of the 80 number ... as the President of the Russian Federation ... bully But the traffic policeman is unlikely to become the President of the Russian Federation when he becomes "grain" on the highway ...
          2. Des10
            Des10 21 March 2018 12: 18
            0
            Dear organization and people, but who then rode the "Heliks", those who will be there at the helm. And to them - according to the root crop for the people (heliks), they will conduct their own business.
  4. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 13: 09
    +3
    Quote: Thrall
    House-xnumx would still win smile

    Yeah ... How many petitions and petitions have already been, but things are still there ...
  5. Fedorov
    Fedorov 20 March 2018 13: 09
    +1
    Can you see it?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 March 2018 19: 31
      +1
      Quote: Fedorov
      Can you see it?

      I don’t know what it is ... but probably it’s possible, in any case, no one has banned IT.
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 March 2018 13: 10
    +1
    FSB wins Telegram in Supreme Court
    Can not be belay Still, only Odnoklassniki are being resisted by the FSB. wassat laughing
  7. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 20 March 2018 13: 11
    +1
    hahaha, the Durov yells that Russia is not part of his circle of interests, he’s already suing
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 20 March 2018 13: 19
    +1
    Our and not only quietened back to paper media, cryptography and shredders!
    And in social networks ??? What can I say, ask? And why is there something secret to spread, store? I do not understand ever? Such an old statement - What two people know, everyone knows! - why was it said?
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 20 March 2018 13: 19
    +5
    That's what the special service to read and listen to. The CIA is reading and listening to the whole world and wanted to spit on some moral standards or courts. And the FSB should not be weaker than potential opponents. At least as a measure of counteraction.
  10. IXION
    IXION 20 March 2018 13: 21
    +5
    And why do we need a constitution
    1. KAV
      KAV 20 March 2018 13: 29
      +31615314346
      Quote: IXION
      And why do we need a constitution

      Just to fart? Everything is clearly explained in the article - decryption keys are not confidential information. And their provision is not a violation of the secret of personal life. Violation will occur only after unauthorized access to this very correspondence. And by court decision, access to it will no longer be a violation, but will be legal. Wise guy, damn it ...
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 20 March 2018 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: KAV
        Just to fart?

        Do not pay attention, such an audience, after Putin's victory, will continue to plague for a long time.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 21 March 2018 04: 18
        +7
        Quote: KAV
        Quote: IXION
        And why do we need a constitution

        Just to fart? Everything is clearly explained in the article - decryption keys are not confidential information. And their provision is not a violation of the secret of personal life. Violation will occur only after unauthorized access to this very correspondence. And by court decision, access to it will no longer be a violation, but will be legal. Wise guy, damn it ...

        Alexander! Just a plus without comment ... good drinks
      3. bk316
        bk316 21 March 2018 12: 02
        +4
        Just to fart? Everything is clearly explained in the article - decryption keys are not confidential information. And their provision is not a violation of the secret of personal life. Violation will occur only after unauthorized access to this very correspondence. And by court decision, access to it will no longer be a violation, but will be legal. Wise guy, damn it ...


        You are absolutely right, but in order to understand this you need to understand the right a little bit (at the level of principles), or at least be guided by common sense. And these IXIONs do not bother themselves with such things.
      4. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 4 2018 14: 50
        0
        Mmm ... and no one knows who will enforce the laws when using these keys in the office itself. Where are the guarantees that this information will not be used for personal gain? The answer is no. Well, besides, the application algorithm itself does not imply the transfer of keys to a centralized store, because each user has his own key. You can collect them in one place, but this potentially jeopardizes all users if hackers gain access to this centralized repository.
        Using these keys, it will be possible to view the personal information of users, which will already be a violation of our constitution (although our constitution, which draws where it turned, turned out there).
  11. Mengad
    Mengad 20 March 2018 13: 27
    +5
    Quote: Hurricane70
    Complain, complain ... And then as I look you are well settled! The FSB is no longer a decree for you ... Work is such a state security, for the sake of this they are doing what they are supposed to ... I hope that they will take control of a potential swamp!

    Interesting? By what criteria do you judge what is supposed and what isn’t? What doesn’t violate human rights and what violates? You write so easily because it hasn’t touched you yet ... but when it touches .. then most likely you will start talking differently. Nobody says that state security is not above all. But let's not forget that the same Internet under the control of special services and even darken, that through darknet special services do their dark things, I think you do not need to tell you? Hiding under state security, they take control of everything what is possible and all that is impossible .. forgetting about human rights. Do you really think that the Internet has become available for public use for people without an underlying motive to control people in this way?
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 20 March 2018 14: 30
      +2
      What other criteria? There is one criterion, do not break the law and you can not worry.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2018 15: 25
        +1
        What are the secrets, what are the secrets? A horror story for duriks, we can for a special mentally unbalanced contingent, shorter than loonies completed.
        Well, we write, keep it for a year, and then pack it in a sump! Schaub someone read this ??? Not every year, on special occasions. accidents!
        Have seen enough of various Hollywood horror stories! No system is capable of writing, storing. analyze everything in a row! Schaub the man listened to this all ??? Sales will not discuss this nonsense.
        By the way, the sump, this is also temporary, there are no such bottomless storages. where you can store EVERYTHING!
    2. bk316
      bk316 21 March 2018 12: 04
      +3
      Do you really think that the Internet has become available for public use for people with no background to control people in this way?

      Are you writing a letter to Merkel? Or trump?
  12. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 March 2018 13: 28
    +6
    Early Muller was born. I would learn about such opportunities, I was envious. Another small step towards digital slavery. Correspondence will be read not only of the suspects, and not only by court order, but all !!! If this is not a violation of the secrecy of correspondence, then what ???
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 March 2018 13: 55
      +1
      I wonder if everyone will read? And who then will read fool ?
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 20 March 2018 15: 23
        +2
        And who then will read

        The program will filter all messages, recognizing previously entered words.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 March 2018 15: 42
          +1
          Yes Yes Yes. Tell me how to do it.
          Do you get such knowledge on Hollywood films?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 20 March 2018 19: 34
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            Yes Yes Yes. Tell me how to do it.
            Do you get such knowledge on Hollywood films?

            actually, back in the 70s and 80s it worked, a simple phone and then sorted and wrote down keywords.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 20 March 2018 19: 44
              0
              Yurich, my respect hi Two options - the first and second, as my boss said. Either clog the article - it’s interesting, or don’t provoke curiosity. wink drinks
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 20 March 2018 19: 48
                +2
                Quote: Svarog51
                Yurich, my respect hi Two options - the first and second, as my boss said. Either clog the article - it’s interesting, or don’t provoke curiosity. wink drinks

                right ... but the article is lazy to write, and infa is now available .... drinks
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 20 March 2018 20: 35
                  0
                  but writing an article is lazy
                  A couple of lines in the comment - not? good drinks
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 21 March 2018 13: 30
                    +3
                    Greetings to Sergey.
                    Andrei Yurievich is absolutely right.
                    Well, about the telephony of the 80s, I only saw in the museum.
                    And now everything is well written here:
                    https://vasexperts.ru/blog/osobennosti-i-otlichiy
                    a-sorm /
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 21 March 2018 15: 27
                      0
                      Hello Vladimir hi Yes, I just remembered an old joke when they said to the outlet: - I love my homeland!
                      For the link - Thank you good Be sure to read.
  13. Dormidont
    Dormidont 20 March 2018 13: 45
    +3
    State security issues must be decided out of court
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 March 2018 13: 56
      +3
      Give all rights to special services? And we can not, the old rake?
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 20 March 2018 14: 36
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        Give all rights to special services? And we can not, the old rake?

        There was order in the country. The only exception is when the special services of one state are in the service of the special services of another state, as in Ukraine. Then it turns out lawlessness.
    2. Falcond
      Falcond 20 March 2018 13: 59
      +2
      Whereas at 37, without trial, one day they will come after you too!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2018 14: 34
        +1
        Without trial and investigation, it’s completely according to the laws of wartime! Special period.
        Not everything, of course, was okay with us, but the authorities worked within the law.
        Both yours and ours, of course, about nothing, but a reasonable balance between the desires of the special services and ensuring the rights of citizens, is what the law of our state should ensure!
  14. Brigadier
    Brigadier 20 March 2018 13: 51
    +1
    Well, finally, our state security has stirred ... Let it be better later than never. and it was just that they almost fell under the liberals and the 5th column. soldier
  15. bogart047
    bogart047 20 March 2018 13: 52
    +2
    indeed, why would this correspondence in a telegram suddenly become personal? Give full publicity, the terrorists will immediately run up ...
  16. Falcond
    Falcond 20 March 2018 13: 58
    0
    A Military Review still resists ??))
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 March 2018 15: 33
      0
      And what? Do encryptors also stand on the VO? But I didn’t know. request And then, we have so many of our Lavrentiev Pavlovichs here - that the FSB is resting. It’s easier to register under the nickname “Officer of the FSB” and it’s quite legal to talk with forum participants to combine the useful with the pleasant. wink
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2018 15: 54
        +1
        hello, Sergey soldier
        Sorry I did not congratulate you on the day of jam, I caught a technical jamb, so I belatedly wish everything. Total! and a little more on top!
        The topic with eavesdropping, listening to everything and everyone amuses me!
        At least whoever really worked on the topic? Know what it is and how it works?
        To be honest, such fears, questions from people I know and not have been haunting for many years !!! Spy films were reviewed, and then the fruits of their own indefatigable imagination, Hollywood is resting!
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 20 March 2018 20: 04
          +2
          Hello Victor hi Thank you, I understand everything. In vain the topic amuses you only if you plan something against the state - then beware. And so just do not pay attention to you. Technical means have gone a long way. Beware of electrical outlets and a heating battery - they knock on you. wink lol drinks
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 March 2018 22: 09
            +1
            The man himself put himself in control! Not diving too deeply, since the stethoscope appeared near the walls, we can say that ears have grown! Further, there is simply an improvement in technical means of control! Enumerate nope, the network says the main thing, it can be assumed that even cowards will follow us soon!
            Just really watching ALL !!!! for the industry TRADE, ENTERTAINMENT! It's real, it's our reality.
            It is easier for a simple layman to fall under household control - a FRAWNING HUSBAND from an EXIT WIFE or vice versa!
            For many reasons, our state and special services exercise limited, targeted control over a narrow circle of people, i.e. paranoia has not reached such limits in our country, to follow a simple layman.
            However, anyone can get involved, but at that you have to try very hard!
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 20 March 2018 22: 31
              +1
              Well, you and I are not threatened by the interest of the competent authorities. We are READY FOR THE MOTHERLAND. And we can only start a virtual booze or a friendly discussion of the news. And what for us? lol
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 March 2018 22: 52
                +1
                But what about the control words ??? About weapons, about nuclear weapons, about special services, terrorists .... and I often scold the authorities ???
                I have already said how many charges you have to listen to at work! And are these literate people, even IT IT employees of the lower level who do not have access to our closed department?
                How much I work there, it always has been ... the layman cannot be remade, let him rummage in other people's secrets, and save his "secrets".
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 20 March 2018 23: 14
                  +1
                  And don’t hope - you won’t get into the list of “enemies of the people”. Retirement is a serious matter, but in order, in case of something - get ready. Do not try on you the laurels of a dissident, not a crown for the brow.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 March 2018 09: 19
                    +1
                    Well, a combatant (retirement age) horse, the sound of a horn as I hear, everything inside is undermined, in ATTACK!
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 21 March 2018 15: 29
                      +1
                      Well, a combatant (retirement age) horse, the sound of a horn as I hear, everything inside is undermined, in ATTACK!
                      good
                      There will be such people on the Horse Army. wink drinks
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 March 2018 20: 55
                        +1
                        Then, if that gait is three crosses, the checkers are bald and ... we will chop the heads of the hell like sunflowers!
                        For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland! So we can - For the Motherland, for Stalin ....
                        in short, then we'll figure it out, Motherland and Faith are still the same for us!
        2. bk316
          bk316 21 March 2018 13: 39
          +4
          At least whoever really worked on the topic? Know what it is and how it works?

          I worked.
          Above I threw a link there in an understandable language article.
          But this is about SORM, that is, about the state.
          And they follow us well so generalized corporations.

          I’ll say that now in Moscow it’s technically easy to find out
          What are your political views?
          -Do your expenses correspond to your salary?
          - who do you contact (in any form)
          - all about your health
          - what you buy (from food to clothes)
          - what content (from movies to porn sites) do you consume
          - what routes do you take
          -where are you now

          So far, all this is mainly in test modes with 80-90% accuracy.
          After 5-10 years, it will turn on in full. Over the hill already turned on.
  17. Mengad
    Mengad 20 March 2018 14: 55
    +2
    Quote: Orionvit
    What other criteria? There is one criterion, do not break the law and you can not worry.

    Laws are written by people .... and people, as you know, are not perfect ... laws are written by people .. who have their own worldview and understanding of the world ... it may contradict the worldview of the majority of the population do not you think so? And if we start from the fact that the people who write these laws ... dozens .. and the rest of the population that must actually fulfill the worldview of dozens of people ... tens and hundreds of millions? Do you think this is right? Laws must be fair .. and serve the good of the people and the state, but when the law is one-sided , and serves only the interests of the state, in which the government is usurped, excuse me, and officials are not honest, and without selfishness does it seem wrong to you?
  18. Mengad
    Mengad 20 March 2018 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    FSB wins Telegram in Supreme Court
    paragraph ... tough times ... KaGeBe had no idea who to sue ... soon, gender priorities will be ... madhouse.

    Madhouse? Are you sure? I think I will try to convince you. Let's imagine that (God forbid, of course) you are in trouble ... and contacted the FSB ... they are hiding under state security ... violate your rights? You require a lawyer , trying to contact your relatives, and even if you let your relatives know that you are in trouble? What can they do? Oh yes ... contact the competent authorities)) The police? The court? uh, this is a matter of State importance and security)) What but it remains? Go to the picket .. ,,. Freedom to Vasya Pupkin! ,, But please do not forget that you cannot gather more than one .. otherwise you can get an unauthorized rally ...))) Okay, what remains? The person is in trouble. . goes to extreme measures ... he turns to the Internet ... yes the videos ..liberals .. ,, bribed by the State Department, he is no longer interested in political views and slogans ... he clings to everything that is possible .. for the weak a straw ... So dear ... before you write this, you really have to think ... that the boomerang is running ... has the property ... to return ... you are all well what.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 March 2018 20: 46
      0
      Alex hi
      I think that I will try to convince you. Let's imagine that

      In vain! Yurich KGB knows live. Do you have any such experience? Personal experience and knowledge from sources are very different things.
      that the boomerang launched .. has a property ... to return ..

      But this is in vain! That you got excited!
      So dear ... before writing this

      Get to know your opponent. Everything is available.
  19. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 20 March 2018 15: 29
    0
    It has long been abandoned by Viber and VatsApov, since Telegram leaves them behind in speed, convenience and "ease".
    Indeed, in view of the fact that Telegram can communicate via encrypted channels, the anonymity of those communicating was ensured, in view of which various militants, etc., used this messenger.
    So, the requirement of the FSB is quite legitimate.
    Big brother is watching you.
  20. Clueless
    Clueless 20 March 2018 15: 46
    +3
    And why are you happy? To the fact that our state believes that citizens do not have the right to privacy of correspondence? Are you out of your mind? Or you forget that social networks, instant messengers, mail is not only text, but also photos, videos, documents and others. And almost all FSB officers can read all this without court permission.

    And then everyone whines amicably why the business is leaving Russia. Yes, because it leaves, how to conduct business, if all your trade secrets, negotiations are available to any security official, and then you wonder where the security officials have money for luxury villas, cars, etc.

    Type through these messengers messengers communicate? Yeah .. they also communicate through regular mail, let's now also unpack envelopes and ALL, and drive into the scans of Old.
    As for the terrorists, the small ones talk - but the bigger fish have their own communication systems, which are also encrypted, and are not publicly available.

    There is pure water FULL control over the population, business, so that no one dares to remove the "poor" elite from the feeder.

    It is a shame to me gentlemen for you, they twist you twist as they can, hang noodles on the ears, and you are happy.
  21. Clueless
    Clueless 20 March 2018 15: 48
    +2
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    It has long been abandoned by Viber and VatsApov, since Telegram leaves them behind in speed, convenience and "ease".
    Indeed, in view of the fact that Telegram can communicate via encrypted channels, the anonymity of those communicating was ensured, in view of which various militants, etc., used this messenger.
    So, the requirement of the FSB is quite legitimate.
    Big brother is watching you.


    In what place is it legitimate? What without court authorization can you listen to everything and everyone? Those. if I shoot you sleeping with your wife, is that right? Here the same thing, because through messengers is just a LOT of conf. of information
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 20 March 2018 16: 24
      0
      Firstly, do not poke.
      Secondly, if you notice, they say all the time about Telegram.
      Those. other messengers are not a problem for special services.
      By the way, Durov seemed to say that there is a substantial cash prize to someone who hacks it into Telegram.
      And infa goes not only through messengers, people themselves provide a huge amount of information about themselves in social networks, do not turn off geotags and GPS in their smartphones, install various programs that have full access to all phone data, etc.
  22. Antares
    Antares 20 March 2018 19: 54
    0
    According to company management, such information is confidential and its transfer to a third party violates the constitutional right of citizens to privacy of correspondence.
    Today a representative of the FSB in court noted that the decoding messages of Telegram users' keys are a technical tool and do not relate to information for which the FSB needs court permission. It is noted that the requested data is not protected by the Russian Constitution.

    The keys themselves are a technical tool. But with their help, you can read personal information, which is a violation of the Constitution.
    This is somehow strange. It’s like blaming a weapon — that it kills, not a person.
  23. rocket757
    rocket757 20 March 2018 20: 32
    +1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: rocket757
    Yes Yes Yes. Tell me how to do it.
    Do you get such knowledge on Hollywood films?

    actually, back in the 70s and 80s it worked, a simple phone and then sorted and wrote down keywords.

    Yes, and SORM is not prescribed yesterday. Control is conducted on a very limited scale. For technical, economic and other reasons. Even the most talkative talkers have nothing to do with it, if they did not fall into the insignificant category of persons falling under the interest of the special services and the state.
    We do not reach paranoia of such proportions, so that we can follow everything and everyone.
    However, you can climb wherever you called, if you make an effort or immense nonsense, if possible for everyone!
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 March 2018 22: 34
      +1
      Victor hi
      However, you can climb wherever you called, if you make an effort or immense nonsense, if possible for everyone!

      I applaud while standing good drinks I agree completely.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 March 2018 20: 55
    0
    P. Durov in all its glory.
    https://life.ru/t/%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%
    D1% 8F / 1099729 / telegram_s_privkusom_krovi_ili_dvoi
    nyie_standarty_pavla_durova
  25. Mengad
    Mengad 20 March 2018 21: 02
    0
    Quote: Svarog51
    In vain! Yurich KGB knows live. Do you have any such experience? Personal experience and knowledge from sources are very different things.

    And it’s even worse ... knowing what it’s talking about ... But I don’t need experience with special services, I know a little people .. with all + and - even more so in modern realities, and people work in special services too ..
  26. Mengad
    Mengad 20 March 2018 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Andrey Yuryevich, hi !
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    I hope the FSB will slowly restore its efficiency ..

    and reputation.

    The reputation of the KGB-FSB as a "bloody gebni" is for Gozman and Amnuel. I myself never served there, but by the nature of my service, I had to talk with these guys to hell. Gave them some non-disclosure subscriptions somewhere with "War and Peace" lol . I assure you that among them there are a hundred more normal guys than anywhere else. Of course, everyone came across ... But, firstly, the selection there is not tough, but VERY tough - they don’t take anyone from the street upon the announcement of anyone and in the direction of the military commissariat or the district committee of the Komsomol too. Secondly, as we were pumped up, that no matter where and no matter what tasks we carry out - we are defending our Motherland, so we processed them. Maybe they’ve pumped harder ... So they didn’t tarnish their reputation in my eyes with the fact that they kept Novodvorskaya in a fool and the provocateur Solzhenitsyn from the country ...

    What are you saying? What happened here in Kaliningrad recently? what’s this? The Tyumen gang of the FSB? How is torture there? Like someone asked for political asylum in St. Petersburg, in Finland? And they gave him if I am not mistaken? In order to get political asylum you need solid evidence that you are being persecuted or how at least they torture? Interesting, isn't it? Oh yes ... these are all the machinations of the external enemy ... I understand ...
  27. Mengad
    Mengad 20 March 2018 23: 02
    +1
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    Firstly, do not poke.
    Secondly, if you notice, they say all the time about Telegram.
    Those. other messengers are not a problem for special services.
    By the way, Durov seemed to say that there is a substantial cash prize to someone who hacks it into Telegram.
    And infa goes not only through messengers, people themselves provide a huge amount of information about themselves in social networks, do not turn off geotags and GPS in their smartphones, install various programs that have full access to all phone data, etc.

    You listen so it turns out .. the people themselves are to blame for that: by joining in one or another messenger they give information about themselves? And what do they do in messengers? Communicate ... in fact they write letters to each other ... It's like ... opening envelopes with letters from paper, without the permission of the court and warrants. She ... censorship ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 21 March 2018 16: 06
      +5
      censorship

      First of all, a young man is not censorship but censorship. The meaning of the words that you use must be known.
      Secondly, the difference between possession of encryption keys and reading correspondence as between possession of a gun and its use.
      And thirdly, to all your exclamations I am sending you to the light of democracy and freedom of speech - the United States. Read the "Patriotic Act" - Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 March 2018 20: 58
        +1
        Tooting! If it’s good to look like this, each state will have its own PATRIOTIC ACT!
  28. Catfish
    Catfish 21 March 2018 00: 55
    +1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    I hope the FSB will slowly restore its efficiency ..

    and reputation.

    It will be difficult for them to restore their reputation. A great country has expired ... whether. The Nazis could not, but these ... But the thing is that they do not serve the country, but personalities. And with this, I'm afraid the same thing will happen.
  29. Catfish
    Catfish 21 March 2018 01: 06
    +1
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Voyager
    Nothing more than a Tsar Bullet)

    Quote: Svarog51
    Andrei hi I suspect this is a bullet for the Queen of the House-2. wink

    "Just something" 7,62x25 ... lol And the queen, and all her entourage, one at a time, so that happiness is quickly found .... laughing


    Oh come on you guys! Patrons do not mind? In my opinion, there is enough dust, or more dichlorvos. Although, hell knows, they are tenacious, these creatures. hi
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 21 March 2018 15: 36
      0
      Konstantin hi
      they are tenacious, these creatures.

      That's it! It was necessary to offer Alexei a silver bullet, well, for every fireman. lol
      Z. Have you and I never crossed paths before? Something familiar... repeat
  30. Lynx33
    Lynx33 21 March 2018 07: 50
    +2
    Is this a new type of advertising? If the FSB is suing telegrams, it means that they sign their powerlessness to decrypt their encoding or, on the contrary, try to attract all the bandits there and will calmly read all their correspondence. laughing
  31. Metlik
    Metlik 21 March 2018 12: 31
    +2
    It is also necessary to oblige citizens to hand over samples of apartment keys to the FSB. And then a search will be required - and these bastards will not want to open the door.
  32. Catfish
    Catfish 21 March 2018 23: 36
    +1
    Quote: Metlik
    It is also necessary to oblige citizens to hand over samples of apartment keys to the FSB. And then a search will be required - and these bastards will not want to open the door.


    Well, why are you so, although generally understandable. They don’t need the key to your apartment, just like a warrant. "The terrorist threat!" and no locks will save. Have the right. laughing
  33. Catfish
    Catfish 22 March 2018 00: 35
    +1
    Quote: Svarog51
    Konstantin hi
    they are tenacious, these creatures.

    That's it! It was necessary to offer Alexei a silver bullet, well, for every fireman. lol
    Z. Have you and I never crossed paths before? Something familiar... repeat


    Hello, Sergey. About intersected, by golly I do not remember. What inspired you? smile
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 22 March 2018 03: 23
      0
      Konstantin hi
      What inspired you?

      Name and manner of presentation of information. I have a friend here on the site, I have not seen him for a long time. So I thought ...
  34. Catfish
    Catfish 22 March 2018 22: 42
    0
    Quote: Svarog51
    Konstantin hi
    What inspired you?

    Name and manner of presentation of information. I have a friend here on the site, I have not seen him for a long time. So I thought ...


    Hello, Sergey. Probably it's still not me. I am here relatively recently. And the manner of presentation ... maybe your friend also has no illusions, like mine. I hope we make friends too. drinks
  35. Evgeny Goncharov
    Evgeny Goncharov April 17 2018 18: 11
    0
    How many tamahawks would the Americans need to inflict damage comparable to that of ILV?