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Was there a “Newbie”?

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Strange история It happens with the use of the allegedly new Novyok Soviet chemical warfare agent in English Salisbury, from which the former GRU employee Skripal and his daughter suffered, by the way, next to the largest chemical laboratory in England in Porton Down. Speaking experts say that super-chemical weapons "Newbie" none of them have seen, in one classification it is not. But everything can be, and they put the "Newbie" on a par with the OB of the VX, which can, by analogy, be called the "Old Man", and Porton Down produced it.




The British secret services somehow managed to identify that it was the “Novice” that was used in Salisbury, apparently with the help of Porton Down laboratory, but they refuse to provide evidence, do not allow Russia to investigate the materials, but place all responsibility on Russia, up to President Putin. Only the other day, the OPCW experts seemed to have been admitted to the body of the poisoned Fiddle.

Other oddities around Novice’s political order. At first, Russia, through the mouth of Sergei Lavrov, categorically rejected all the accusations of Prime Minister Theresa May and the head of the English Foreign Ministry, Boris Johnson, and insisted on the presentation of evidence and the admission of Russian experts to the investigation in accordance with the OPCW Convention. There was an exchange of expulsions of diplomats from both sides.

Further, the position of Russia began to tighten. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova categorically denies that the Novice public watchdog was ever produced not only in Russia, but also in the USSR. And it translates the arrows to the western countries, where, possibly, they tried to synthesize chemical agents under the Russian name “Novice”. Among the possible Western manufacturers "Novich" mentioned the United States and England. Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov also speaks out with a tough stance: "London will have to confirm its accusations, or apologize."

Vladimir Putin uncompromisingly put it: “If it were a military AE, people would have died on the spot. We have no such means. ”

The position of London becomes uncertain. The irreconcilable detractor and prosecutor of Russia Boris Johnson speaks of the readiness to allow Russia to investigate the Skripl case. And then he makes a very strange statement: “That Russia says that it has never produced a“ Novice ”, has destroyed it, or something has been exported to Western countries, even to England”. Boris mixed different things into one pile, so he turned out to be such an abracadabra, and he did it, it seems, deliberately. Russia said it had destroyed its chemical weapons, under the control of the OPCW, but there was no “Novice” in it, which Boris Johnson forgets.

The source of information about the combat newcomer "Novice" in the West was a defector chemist Wil Mirzoyanov, warmed by the United States as an eminent chemist. The name Wil is an abbreviation for Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, this is not the end of the oddities of this scientist chemist, but just the beginning. In 1995, Wil received an international passport and officially went abroad, and the Commission at the Foreign Ministry did not want to release a scientist who had to do with military secrets. The decisive word turned out to be behind the then head of the FSB, Sergey Kovalyov: “What kind of secrets Mirzoyanov is?” Kovalyov meant that Russia had already joined the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

In the US, Mirzoyanov makes reports on the “Novice” super chemical weapon created in the USSR, an incredible lethality, speaks with a great article in the NYT, then writes a book that reveals the “Novice” chemical formula. Now any qualified chemical laboratory in the West could try to synthesize their "Novice". Thanks to the tremendous negligence of ex-head of the FSB Sergei Kovalev. It seems that this was what Maria Zakharova had in mind when she mentioned Western countries that can develop their “Novice”.

The problem of Western chemists was that Mirzoyanov was an analyst chemist and had never dealt with a practical synthesis of organic matter. According to Mirzoyanov, these technologies remained in the USSR, and the only evidence of the existence of the Novice was its precursor formulas, published in the book.

Here you need to turn to an interesting article by a certain blogger Andrey Lazarchuk on Facebook from 16 in March, which attracted the attention of many lovers of conspiracy. Lazarchuk, without opening his sources, said the following.

In the 80-ies of the USSR, it comes to the conclusion that chemical weapons are very expensive, inconvenient and ineffective in use, and refuse to develop them in favor of other weapons. In 1984, deliveries of chemical weapons to the Soviet army are stopped, chemical weapons are exported to storage. This is true because it is easily verified.

At the same time, the KGB of the USSR conducts a massive operation to identify channels of leakage of scientific information to the West, dozens of fake, but detailed chemical super-weapon projects of the NOVA series are being prepared. The project “Novice” passes through Mirzoyanova, very soon the KGB discovers its leakage, but continues to supply Mirzoyanova with disinformation on the “Novice” combatant. This is impossible to verify, but in 1995, the head of the FSB, Sergey Kovalyov, really releases Mirzoyanova to the United States. This fact is reported by Mirzoyanov himself in his interviews.

Thus, it is possible that Novice is not a combat agent, but a cipher of the operation of the KGB of the USSR, with the help of which the secret service checked the scientist’s chemical environment for leaks, and delivered misinformation overseas. Therefore, Sergei Kovalev contributed to leaving Mirzoyanova in the United States. But then what happened in Salisbury with Skripale and his daughter?

It seems that the "dead hand" of the KGB of the USSR from the other world got England, with Teresa May and Boris Johnson. Thanks to their efforts, the hoax of the “Novice” OB from the USSR managed to poison Skrypaley in Salisbury. Or does Porton Down Laboratory, which is adjacent to Salisbury, have Scripal poisoning? Where the real OB VX was produced.

NATO is now demanding that Russia disclose information on the Novice program. Imagine what will happen when Russia discovers that the “Novice” is a code of the operation of the USSR KGB for NATO! It seems that Sergey Lavrov meant this when he strictly said that “England will be responsible for misleading the world community”.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 20 March 2018 06: 00
    +1
    Everything secret ... It will become apparent ... The British knew the formula OV ... Otherwise, how would they define it ... And the next conclusion ... They made it ...
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 20 March 2018 06: 12
      +1
      Stupid unproven run over to Russia.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 20 March 2018 07: 03
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        Spartanez300 (Victor) Today, 06:12 ↑
        Stupid unproven run over to Russia.

        And as you can see, this is quite suitable for all Western and meadows.
    2. Dron_sk
      Dron_sk 22 March 2018 21: 17
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      The British know only the general formula of OM. But, obviously, they don’t know any details of this formula, they don’t know the details of the synthesis (thermobaric parameters, etc.). That is why the British do not allow our chemists to investigate. That is why the British demand that the Russians disclose all the details of the Soviet project for creating a newcomer - in order to obtain the missing data, to synthesize an exact copy of the Soviet newcomer and to falsify the evidence.
      In my opinion, Mirzoyanov was not the chief chemist in that project, did not have complete information. He conveyed only the formula and parameters of action, and the British apparently did not manage to repeat these parameters of action with their created samples.
      1. Grandfather Eugene
        Grandfather Eugene 23 March 2018 01: 18
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        Quote: Dron_sk
        The British know only the general formula of OM. But, obviously, they don’t know any details of this formula, they don’t know the details of the synthesis (thermobaric parameters, etc.). That is why the British do not allow our chemists to investigate. That is why the British demand that the Russians disclose all the details of the Soviet project for creating a newcomer - in order to obtain the missing data, to synthesize an exact copy of the Soviet newcomer and to falsify the evidence.

        About 2 years ago, I watched a detailed detailed article on the Novice on the net there an even more modern modification exists. And I want to toss firewood into the fire of conspiracy theology. Maybe the British in such a slow-moving movement want to get all the information on the Novice for the possibility of its production independently but not for falsification, but for using it in the event of a war with Russia to the maximum and for accusing Russia of supplying Assad for example OM and the legality of punishing the Russians in response (they will bomb the base Hmeimim for example), to raise a wave of solidarity with Western authorities? It is clear that these are only speculations and options, but the possibilities of this scandal are quite extensive.
        1. Dron_sk
          Dron_sk 25 March 2018 02: 20
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          I agree. Your version is more believable. Especially about Hmeimim. Considering that the West has never been shy about using meldonium to accuse our athletes of doping, tightly connecting the name “meldonium” with Russians in the minds of the public, it is logical to assume that Novichok will again be used as a compromise of Russia.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 March 2018 06: 10
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    Something a lot of fuss with this poisoning. And is it poisoning?
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 March 2018 07: 01
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    It seems that Sergey Lavrov had this in mind when he strictly said that "England will be responsible for misleading the world community."

    Everything is true in the article, I support the author. But the fact of non-participation of Russia in the matter of violins in the West does not suit anyone. Various mongrel nongovernmental states begin to howl. So, the Poles have become in a pose and will probably apply measures to us at the diplomatic level. Swedes !!! - call our ambassador on the carpet !!! Maybe it’s time for us to give them a hand too, and there you will miss it - and on the face! angry
    1. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 20 March 2018 20: 04
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      Everything is true in the article, I support the author. But in fact the fact of non-participation of Russia in the case of violins, in the West does not suit anyone
      I don’t know what international and interstate agreements on the investigation of crimes exist, but Russia should seek participation in the investigation, since one of the victims is a Russian citizen.
      And this is a completely “muddy” matter from the very beginning, the main thing is that we have not yet seen the images of the “poisoned” ones, and how the “victim of the regime” Litvinenko died was shown live.
  4. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 20 March 2018 07: 16
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    Such a version is also possible. But one thing is true, until the British provide materials and reinforced concrete evidence, all their screeches must be classified exclusively and without any political correctness as pindzhi and provocations.
    It is also likely that in this way this operation of the Western special services has, among other things, the task of finding out whether the project is “newbie”, and if so, then pulling out maximum information on it. That is why they require us to make excuses without revealing our cards, that is, to put it plainly, they bluff and take to show off.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 March 2018 07: 21
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    Was or was not the so-called "Novice" today does not play a role. The main thing is that he played the role assigned to him.
  6. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 07: 27
    +4
    Something like this! Probably...
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 20 March 2018 11: 07
      +4
      "- Tell me, Holmes, why do you think Theresa May was involved in the Salisbury crime?"
      - Elementary Watson. In the case of several victims. To know that it was Sergei Skripal who was the target, only a real killer can. "
      (from the Internet)
  7. savage1976
    savage1976 20 March 2018 07: 28
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    Will the circus left, the clowns stayed. Although they have no clowning clowning. Ek, it's hard for our leaders to deal with the mentally retarded.
  8. 2112vda
    2112vda 20 March 2018 07: 56
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    Yesterday Mirzoyanov carried such nonsense in his interview that "ears were wrapped up." I worked in the chemical industry, was engaged in the development of new products. Apparently a lot of him was paid for his nonsense. What he carried about the formula to the correspondents, of course, can go for a regular layman. Any chemist just laughs at his nonsense. It is true that one must be able to lie. All this hype is crap.
  9. Charik
    Charik 20 March 2018 08: 08
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    the next one is the one who passed urine and let them blame
  10. konstantin68
    konstantin68 20 March 2018 08: 31
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    Quote: Spartanez300
    Stupid unproven run over to Russia.

    I absolutely agree with you. "Democracy" in action.
  11. mac789
    mac789 20 March 2018 08: 54
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    "England will answer for misleading the world community" ....
    And what will she answer? ... And who will demand? ... Laughter and only.
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 20 March 2018 09: 01
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    A great chance was missed to dunk our “Western partners” so that May with disgrace flew out of the post and in general this whole gang would receive the monstrous power of the plush. It was just to say right away that this very “Beginner” never happened, but there was a counter-operation .... Most likely, the British simply synthesized some sort of agent from the VI section. What, in fact, was calculated operation. After all, v-gases can be synthesized, right? Apparently that's why the Americans are silent. They received our factories producing chemical warfare, and apparently carefully figured out everything. They did not begin to disavow Mirzoyanov, this is difficult, but Trump was warned in time so as not to get dirty with stupid things.
    Our bad ones worked. Frankly bad.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 20 March 2018 12: 52
      +2
      Well why is that missing?)
      If the version in the article is correct, then on the contrary, everything is very good.
      Our people are just waiting for the shaving to be deeper in the lies stuck in the details, so to speak, so that they couldn’t get out of the way.
      And if our people would immediately say that it was disinspects immediately changed their shoes and slipped a new version. )
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 20 March 2018 16: 21
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        And then you can’t wait. Won Boeing shot down, and what year are "waiting"? And we are slowly smeared and smeared with all sorts of muck on this subject. So here, now it’s too late to drink Borjomi. Johnson has already stated that "Russia is increasingly confused about excuses." That is, whatever you say, now all the "excuses" will be. Confused. Sadness ...
  13. Disorder
    Disorder 20 March 2018 09: 15
    +1
    Most likely it was. Reception is not one century old. Different people are fed different information, and then they look - which option will pop up.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 March 2018 09: 30
    +1
    What an unexpected turn! However, how cleverly the British held it ... Literally FALLED over the hoax 34 years ago laughing
  15. Tarasios
    Tarasios 20 March 2018 10: 00
    +1
    The whole essence of the next run over to Russia comes down to the principle "You are to blame for what I want to eat." Details and imputed reason are not important)
  16. Old26
    Old26 20 March 2018 10: 46
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    Quote: Spartanez300
    Stupid unproven run over to Russia.

    And by the way. an equally dumb “excuse” from Zakharova’s lips.

    Quote: 2112vda
    Yesterday Mirzoyanov carried such nonsense in his interview that "ears were wrapped up." I worked in the chemical industry, was engaged in the development of new products. Apparently a lot of him was paid for his nonsense. What he carried about the formula to the correspondents, of course, can go for a regular layman. Any chemist just laughs at his nonsense. It is true that one must be able to lie. All this hype is crap.

    What do you see nonsense? The fact that he does not know how to speak to the public and his speech "Not smooth and sonorous"? He, like many others, took part in the Tome program. Going abroad, he was there for the first time and talked about this program. So what? What is nonsense?
    The fact that the program was closed in early 1992 is a well-known fact. The fact that the Americans got access to certain equipment at the training ground is also a fact. What is nonsense ??

    Quote: Mikhail3
    It was simply necessary to immediately declare that this very "Beginner" never happened, but there was a counter-operation ....

    That is, do you propose to disavow the statements of a couple of presidents, chemical weapons specialists, academicians of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR and Russia? But this would be a disaster not in relation to May, but in relation to us. We ourselves would have framed ourselves. It turns out a quarter century, we lied? To everyone and their people including?
    To prove that this was not when it is known that this was not the best way to convict the enemy of a lie. And Zakharova suffered a "blizzard"

    Quote: Mikhail3
    most likely, the British simply synthesized some sort of agent from the VI section. What, in fact, was calculated operation. After all, v-gases can be synthesized, right?

    Can. but it is not known to begin with what was generally applied. The May government has given the go-ahead, and now, it does not know how to get out of this situation. Our experts seemed to be allowed to investigate, and how to get May out of that stupid situation now. into which she drove herself she does not know ...
    The helpers told her, so she blurted out, not even thinking about the mechanism of action of this substance
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 20 March 2018 16: 25
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      Yes, they lied. And the people only laugh, because the Russian people are aware of what a military trick is. Zakharova “carried” what they brought to the table. She has such a job - to voice what she has brought. And they made her information bad, stupid and mediocre. Experts can now find what you want there, no one will listen to them. “Russian experts are simply blocking their country,” and that’s it.
  17. svp67
    svp67 20 March 2018 16: 37
    +1
    Vladimir Putin uncompromisingly put it: “If it were a military AE, people would have died on the spot. We have no such means. ”
    Let me supplement the President. When applying the BWA, people would die MUCH more ... significantly.
  18. high
    high 20 March 2018 17: 07
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    It is strange that the article does not mention the creator of the Novichok combat substance, General Anatoly Kuntsevich
    For several decades, Kuntsevich’s activities attracted the close attention of Israel, who feared that new unconventional weapons developed in the Soviet Union might fall into the hands of terrorist organizations.
    Israel received the first information about experiments on the creation of nerve-fighting substances in the 70s.
    At the same time, Israeli intelligence first came to the project "Novichok" and its creator, Anatoly Kuntsevich.
    During the perestroika period, these experiments were discontinued, but in the early 90's in Israel they learned that Syria was engaged in similar developments under the leadership of the same general Kuntsevich ..
    In 1995, the U.S. Department of State imposed personal sanctions against Kuntsevich and was charged with smuggling a dual-use substance.
    At the request of Israel, in the early 2000s, to Russia about the development of organic matter by a general in Syria, there was no answer.
    In April 2002, Anatoly Kuntsevich was found dead aboard a plane flying from Syria to Moscow; in Syria they saw Kuntsevich’s death as a “Mossad’s hand”.
  19. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 20 March 2018 17: 35
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    Yes, it will be interesting if this is all really misinformation and the USSR has never existed as a newcomer. Respect for the KGB of the USSR. And May and Johnson face not in a puddle and shove into the shit. This will be the number. Dream
  20. Old26
    Old26 20 March 2018 18: 38
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    Quote: Mikhail3
    Zakharova “carried” what they brought to the table.

    Zakharova, as a representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, should first of all give out information so that the country does not look in an idiotic situation. And the one who prepared the materials for her - set up not only her, but also the country. It’s stupid and unprofessional to prove that we never had weapons with that name in Styrene. In the USSR, there was such a program, and in the end, there was nothing in it that could be hidden. There was a cold war and each side created ever new types of weapons. Tell her that Russia never had a program with that name — there would be no problem. But she also dragged here the Soviet Union

    Quote: svp67
    Let me supplement the President. When applying the BWA, people would die MUCH more ... significantly.

    It would be a NAP OB, even of type VX, not to mention the Novice, this town would have been a city of the dead for a long time ...
  21. Old26
    Old26 20 March 2018 19: 53
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    Quote: alta
    It is strange that the article does not mention the creator of the Novichok combat substance, General Anatoly Kuntsevich

    Well, most likely due to the fact that participating in the creation of chemical weapons, including and binary, he was not the creator of the Beginner BOV

    Quote: alta
    Israel received the first information about experiments on the creation of nerve-fighting substances in the 70s.

    Quite possible. At that time, the USSR had just begun work with the substances of the nerve agent A-series

    Quote: alta
    At the same time, Israeli intelligence first came to the project "Novichok" and its creator, Anatoly Kuntsevich.

    In the early 70s? Extremely unlikely. Work on the Beginner subprogramme as part of the Tome program began in the second half of the 80s. And the creators of Novice were completely different people.

    Quote: alta
    During the perestroika period, these experiments were discontinued, however, in the early 90s, Israel learned that Syria was engaged in similar developments under the leadership of the same General Kuntsevich ...

    Thinking that information about the cessation of work on the "newcomers" during the perestroika is not true. It was in the second half of the 80s that work on them began right up to the start. Whether Kuntsevich participated in the development of the chemical weapons of Syria - I do not know.

    Quote: Siberian1965
    Yes, it will be interesting if this is all really misinformation and the USSR has never existed as a newcomer.

    It will not be interesting .. Since this is not misinformation, but reality. A newcomer "existed. Work on it was started by decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1986. Decree No. 1584-484. Another resolution was issued in 1989. No. 844-186-XNUMX
    • "Novichok- #" (Novice without a number) - the binary form of gas R-33, was produced in the USSR in Novocheboksarsk in 1988-1989. several tons were produced.
    • Novichok-5 - a binary BOV, created on the basis of the A-232 substance, surpassing the B-B R-33 about 5-8 times, was produced in Volgograd with an experimental batch of 5-10 tons.
    • "Novichok-7" - a binary OWL, created on the basis of the A-230 substance, surpassing soman by about 10 times; it was created at about the same time.
    • Novichok-8 and Novichok-9 were synthesized but it didn’t get to industrial production. . Around the same time, small batches of a dozen or more tons of A-234 and A-230 were released at the plants in Volgograd, Shihanakh, Novocheboksarsk. A-230 in 1990 was adopted by the Soviet army.
  22. spandau_prison
    spandau_prison 20 March 2018 20: 17
    +1
    Thirty years ago, British intelligence agencies falsified an investigation into the circumstances of the death of Rudolf Hess. An investigation into the poisoning of a former GRU Violin officer may also be falsified. Details "Investigation into the violin spy poisoning. Is it possible to trust the British special services?" [Media = http: //spandau-prison.com/mo
    zhno-li-doverjat-britanskim-specsluzhbam /]
  23. Viltor
    Viltor 21 March 2018 19: 25
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    The version about the KGB-FSB operation is interesting and has the right to discussion. At the same time, there is another guarantee of prehistory of provocation. Suppose Skripal turned to his MI6 curator for UK citizenship for his daughter. He was promised to resolve this issue quickly if they, together with his daughter, take part in the statement of the attempted murder. Then everything is according to the scenario - some "simple" Englishmen "find" a man and a woman "on a bench in a" swooning state ", after which they call an ambulance. An ambulance standing on a nearby street arrives and quickly takes the couple away. Subsequently, a performance is played with famous actors and performers, while May and B. Johnson can even be used blindly. To be convincing, they are given the story of a certain Novichyok gas, which clearly indicates a Russian trace, because all other known nerve gases were developed in the West. Bottom line: Skripal and daughter are alive (they were "saved") and will soon live, Russia is morally trampled, there are really no victims, etc. etc. This fits perfectly into the explanation of the actions that the UK is currently carrying out - it does not give samples of OM for examination, does not let it into the Skripals, and does not present evidence. Tricky, but tasteful.
  24. Lynx33
    Lynx33 22 March 2018 08: 00
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    Who cares. The most important thing is the psychological effect itself for future transporters !!! This is not an easy instant death, but a long, painful dying of the body + the realization that nothing can be done + a powerful money vacuum cleaner for relatives pumping out money earned from the betrayal of the motherland + the realization that the West not only does not want to protect the traitors, but rather it’s actively destroys. Yes, on this invaluable material you can cook up an instructive textbook for future spies, what will happen to you and your next of kin if you suddenly .... wassat