The first Chinese aircraft С919 will be transferred to the customer by 2021 year.

China's first passenger passenger narrow-body aircraft, the 919, will be delivered to the customer by 2021, reports TASS Statement by the Deputy General Director and Chief Designer of China Commercial Corporation aviation (COMAC) Guanghui.

The design and testing of the aircraft to obtain a license will last about another three to four years. The first finished aircraft will be transferred to China Eastern Airlines by 2021,

said guanghui.

In February, the company announced that "the total order book for С919 increased to 815 aircraft, among the customers - 28 of Chinese and foreign companies."

The development of the C919 airliner corporation has been dealing with 2008 of the year. The first prototype was released in the 2015 year. In May, the 2017-th aircraft first flew into the Shanghai Pudong International Airport.

Currently, two samples are already undergoing flight tests for obtaining a license for commercial operation.

“The C919 can be produced in several versions with different numbers of seats (from 158 to 190). The average flight distance will be about 4075 km, the maximum - 5000 km. He can fly at altitudes up to 12,1 thousand meters, ”said the manufacturers.

According to them, at this stage, the aircraft is equipped with the “LEAP-1C propulsion system of CFM International, a joint venture of the American General Electric and the French Safran”. The same engines are on some aircraft Boeing and Airbus.

Earlier, COMAC announced plans in the future to equip C919 engines of its own production. According to experts, the liner will be on a par with Boeing 737 and A320.

The Chinese leadership hopes that C919 will help reduce the country's dependence on foreign manufacturers.

Comments

[Muvka]

This is all great, but what is there about Chinese except the fuselage? We, under MS, have at least done our own engine. Yes, and its own avionics. Just don’t tell me about plans. They are not able to create a modern competitive engine. Well, no way.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Familiar outlines ... heh heh
They know how to tyry everything and quickly create copies! Oh well..

[d1975]

Well, the Chinese only know this. You look at the timeline! You can cherish them, as you like, but they plow, but we all do not read it, we are sawing and sawing, I wonder, and when this saw breaks! People will start to work normally, and planes fly?

[Piramidon]

Quote: d1975

People will start to work normally, and planes fly?

Do you think nothing flies with us?

[maxim947]

the company said that “the total portfolio of orders for C919 increased to 815 aircraft

And because they are blinding, the huge domestic market and the lack of complexes in terms of state protectionism will do their job. And about their engines, there will be no doubt that time will pass and the floor of the world will still buy them. As part of the Chinese mobile phones, they also laughed five years ago, and today they are "going" to grab)), the same picture is in terms of armament - we are catching up with export, etc., etc ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: maxim947

And after all they blindfold

I completely think the same way, a competitor takes a wing, strong and ambitious, and it’s not even on the sides ... in the same Middle East from “soft” China we become crowded.

[zivXP]

If they are blinded like a blotted Chinese mobile phones, then I will be very sorry for future passengers.

[Muvka]

And what to look at them? Terms are about the same as our MS-21. Also a series from 2019, the first flight last year. But again, the MS-21 will be very Russian. Not all of course, for foreign customers it will be with Amer’s engines, but for themselves there will be a high degree of localization. And this month a second plane is supposed to take off.

[KVU-NSVD]

In fairness, it’s worth saying that our PD-14 is in the process of creation and development so far ... Well, the Chinese are planning their own engine for this aircraft ..

[Muvka]

They are planning, and the PD-14 was in the air and mass production is planned for next year. In this case, the PD will be at the level of world leaders, and what the Chinese get by the engines .... well, you yourself, I am sure, know.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Muvka

They are planning, and the PD-14 was in the air and mass production is planned for next year. In this case, the PD will be at the level of world leaders, and what the Chinese get by the engines .... well, you yourself, I am sure, know.

Let's hope that everything goes according to plan ... And then, as usual, some shift to the right

. well you yourself, I'm sure you know.

[sib.ataman]

When we, like in China, will start massacre at the stadium under the gun of TV cameras to shoot corrupt officials and other enemies of the people! True, the country runs the risk of quickly becoming depopulated.

[K.A.S.]

and what helps? becomes less corrupt? Do not be afraid that then you are also in front of the cameras!
there was such a writer Hemingway, he said the phrase: For many years, many Americans have touted Mussolini for making Italian trains go on schedule. It never occurred to them that a regular rail service in America was established without fascism.
I led his statement to the fact that you do not think that there are methods that can reduce corruption even without executions. Of course it is longer, but more effective!
https://m.lenta.ru/articles/2016/02/09/anticor/am
p / [b] How often are they shot?
And here the fun begins. According to Chinese law, the death penalty can be carried out immediately, and can be delayed for up to two years. As a rule, a delay is given for economic items. Moreover, if the offender did not commit any “intentional crimes” during this time and generally behaved approximately, the death penalty can be replaced by life imprisonment.
So, not one of the high-ranking “tigers” convicted under the anti-corruption campaign of Xi Jinping was put up against the wall. Moreover, the most resonant “victims of the campaign”, members of the so-called “New Gang of Four,” Zhou Yongkang and Bo Xilai, received only life sentences without any hint of execution.
On average, corrupt officials are imprisoned for 12-16 years. In other words, the idea that officials are being shot in batches in China is just a myth.

[zoolu350]

Of course it helps. Ships and planes are created and built at an accelerated pace, unlike creeping in the Russian Federation under the leadership of the oligarchy.

[cast iron]

Exhale, the main "oligarch" was already chosen yesterday)))) The population thinks that the king is good and the boyars are bad. Fools as fools 400 years ago, so they remained)))) Although of course of the clowns who screamed foolish in the bourgeois media, there really was no one to choose but GDP.

[Cradle]

When Putin Medvedev will ask for an exit with things ...

[iouris]

Quote: Cradle

When Putin Medvedev on the way out

Putin is the “power block” (well, the term!), Medvedev is the rest (democracy, the ruble exchange rate, interest on the loan, the Internet ...) From this combination the answer follows: when Trump will destroy the WTO and the IMF.

[cast iron]

Why did Putin suddenly kick out his sidekick, who, although he does not shine with his mind, is clearly devoted to his elder comrade. Dima remembers how he was made a lawyer in a cooperative, but he was nobody - a professor of economics.

[RASKAT]

We perfectly see what trend the relations between the USA and China are gaining. It will only get worse, the United States will be forced to drag back to its territory of production and technology. And if they only feel the competition from the Chinese, Boeing will immediately stop supplying their components and will force the French. On this, I'm afraid the Chinese plane will end.
I am interested in something else, almost all chassis racks and other titanium products from the same USA are supplied by us. Do the Chinese buy the same from us?

[pafegosoff]

They are from Chinese cast iron!
And about the motors ... China lured half of Motor Sich, built a city and a factory for them. So the Cossacks became Chinese.

[iouris]

Quote: pafegosoff

Cossacks became Chinese.

The Cossacks became what Skripal became. But didn’t the USSR dissolve in order to plunder?

[voyaka uh]

"They are not able to create a modern competitive engine. Well, no way." ///

No gods burn pots. Foreign specialists are invited for large salaries, plus
continuous infusion of money (also large). Engines will be inevitable.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: voyaka uh

Engines will be inevitable.

a matter of time, they ALREADY got into trouble with the test complex, by the way a new and multidisciplinary for 3 places, and they pull with the product, because the construction scheme is clear to them, but they have rested on materials, but they are moving in a forced manner in this thread, which cannot but strain, t. to. burnable structures are not only C919, but also fighters ... they threw a lot of money and prepared scientific potential for this purpose and, by all indications, are moving towards it.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Muvka

This is all great, but what is there about Chinese except the fuselage?

The trademark for which they will receive real Tugriks, and the replacement of foreign components is only a matter of time.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Muvka

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Muvka (Vladimir) Today, 15:05 New
This is all great, but what is there about Chinese except the fuselage?

With an order volume of 815 pieces even before the start of serial production, localization will be carried out in a very short time.
And they will develop the aircraft further ....
About those who ditched our Tu-204, Tu-214, Tu-334, Il-96 decent words I can’t find decent words, but the moderator will not miss the appropriate words ....

[svp67]

Quote: Muvka

This is all great, but what is there about Chinese except the fuselage? We, under MS, have at least done our own engine. Yes, and its own avionics. Just don’t tell me about plans. They are not able to create a modern competitive engine. Well, no way.

Nevertheless, our MS-21 has 174 aircraft in pre-order, and the C919 aircraft has 514 ....

[helmi8]

Quote: Muvka

They are not able to create a modern competitive engine. Well, no way.

Given the fact that they are taking to their place the designers and skilled workers of the Antonov Design Bureau, Motor Sich and Yuzhmash will be able, and pretty soon.

[san4es]

C919 aircraft can be produced in several versions

[Bad_santa]

I remember about 5 years ago it was not flattering to speak about the Chinese auto industry, 10 years ago in general, say that Chinese cars are like plastic toys. Now, many major global automakers have a full production cycle of their branded cars in China. Ours, with all their wishes, will not be able to raise industry this way, because in the government there are only suckers, which only know how to suck oil and gas and sell. They haven’t wanted to create something creative for a long time, but what is still kept remains from the Soviet era and moves along the thumb

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Bad_Santa

what remains is left over from Soviet times and moves on the thumb

That's absolutely true, the Soviet is still getting prettier, and the Armata tank or a new fighter ---- fails the next terms for entering the troops.

[Vadim237]

Yes, for our MC 21 only 285 contracts - up to 25 years.

[Muvka]

How many people do we have? 150 million? And in China? 1 million. Almost 350 times more. At the same time, there are almost 10 orders for the MS, and a little more than 300 for the Chinese. Weak to correlate the numbers? And yes, the vast majority of orders for Chinese are Chinese.

[Vadim237]

And how does this generally apply to orders. We simply don’t know how to push our planes.

[Muvka]

To transport 1,5 billion people, more planes are needed than to transport 150 million people. To be honest, I thought that this forum is mainly people who can build logical chains ...

[cast iron]

So you are just wrongly building logical chains. The fact is that 90% of the population of China do not have such salaries to fly at least a couple of times a year on an airplane.

[Muvka]

And with us, how many% can not afford to fly? Or do you think that in our country 100% of the population can afford to fly on airplanes?

[zoolu350]

Opa, it turns out in the Russian Federation, under the leadership of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, not everyone can afford to buy a plane ticket, and this is at our distances. Bravo!

[Muvka]

Moreover, in the USA and in Europe, too, not 100% can afford to fly. Opening?

[zoolu350]

Only in the secondary schools and in Europe, plane tickets cannot be afford to be completely unemployed, and in the Russian Federation people who work normally like this, because earning 20-25 thousand rubles a month, you don’t really fly.

[iouris]

Quote: Muvka

How many people do we have?

This is the point! And it will be reduced: there are less and less able-bodied mothers.

[cast iron]

Do not worry. Our wise capitalist government will resettle all of Central Asia in Russia - there will be workers, at least turn it down)))))

[NF68]

The Chinese are slowly but begin to develop their production of civil aircraft.

[Muvka]

Not production, but assembly)

[NF68]

Quote: Muvka

Not production, but assembly)

Let the assembly be for starters. Over the past 25-30 years, the Chinese have done quite a lot. We look at what they will have in years through 25-30.

[cast iron]

Compared with Russia, the Chinese over the past 30 years have made a fantastic breakthrough in all directions.

[Mountain shooter]

Competitor of our MS-21. Only we have our own engine, and they talk about some kind of independence. They’ll cut down the sanctions on the engines, and the amba ... They sat down ... The war is coming, a trade. The US began to "crush" competitors, by any means ... Globalization is bursting at all seams.

[Vadim237]

“They will cut them sanctions on engines” And they will buy engines through third countries - there is a demand, there will be a supply and some sanctions will not help here.

[Muvka]

Quote: Vadim237

“They will cut them sanctions on engines” And they will buy engines through third countries - there is a demand, there will be a supply and some sanctions will not help here.

How is everything easy and simple. They will buy through third countries and chop off engines to third countries.

[NF68]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Only we have our own engine,

Is not this engine a joint development with the French?

[Muvka]

A series of PD engines is completely domestic. With the French, these are SaM engines that run on SSJ

[donavi49]

Well, now the engine is also not mine. And again, a certificate earlier than 22-23 is unlikely to be received by EASA.

Well, I’m grieving you a little, the MS-21 has only one Honeywell HGT750 APU so far - exactly the same as the C919 by the way . Aerosila is still asking for money, and then certification again (that is, not the fact that it will be planned for certification in Russia by 20 year).

IntuVue RDR4000 3D radar - it’s not possible to replace the import at all, or rather, although it’s not possible to build it, but EASA will send 5-10 for years to certify. The lobbyists there hold the market tight.

There is still a rampart of foreign komplektuhi. Thales calculators (same as on 320 Neo), an innovative control system is also American.

If anything - even the most important feature of the project is Austrian:
FACC AG (a composite giant that glues watermelons too) made a black wing for the MS-21. But with technology transfer. The series may already have its own material and its 100% production.

[iouris]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Competitor of our MS-21.

MS-21 is beyond competition, and the Chinese will fly on this. I can assume that there is an Airbus of the past generation inside.

[Herculesic]

As always, a copy of its only population.

[Simple]

In topic:


https://www.aerocontact.com/en/aerospace-aviation
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[9PA]

Quote: Herkulesich

As always, a copy of its only population.

Why reinvent the wheel?

[16112014nk]

With our comprador pr-vom, we can only envy the Chinese. While the Chinese are building their planes, the Russian Aeroflot is buying foreigners by hook or by crook.

[K.A.S.]

Quote: NF68

Quote: Muvka

Not production, but assembly)

Let the assembly be for starters. Over the past 25-30 years, the Chinese have done quite a lot. We look at what they will have in years through 25-30.

Dear, explain how it can be (not specifically for this comment. But for the purposefulness of the comments): when the assembly is in Russia, it is lagging, lack of its technology, venality of the liberal government, and when in China, then Let the assembly be for starters. We look at what they will have in another 25-30 years.

[cast iron]

Explain popularly. The thing is. that in Russia there is, on the basis of the participation of the USSR, the entire production cycle - it is universities, design bureaus, to research institutes and testing centers. And most importantly, there are frames! And every year a bunch of engine engineers, materials scientists, chemists and other engineers graduate from Moscow cool universities. Where is all this? And I’ll tell you, nothing will happen to our government. Only taxes will increase, utilities and ticket prices.

[leon1204id]

We harnessed for a very long time, and the neighbors had already gone. All because of the engines. There are no declared parameters on PD 14 and with PW1400G we are not competitors. The same story with engines for SU 57. Another 2-3 years and MS 21 will no longer be needed.

[Muvka]

Can you share the numbers? Or read a bunch on the Internet and we dumped it here? What does it mean "there are no declared parameters on PD 14"? Where did you get the information. Share it.

[donavi49]

According to PD-14, there is no information about problems, but certification is definitely ahead, and this is not a quick process. EASA planned to serve in 19, but most likely they will move to 20. This means that real deliveries of PD-14 will be impossible until 22-23 in the EASA jurisdiction (roughly speaking, any export, except perhaps Cuba, North Korea, Syria and Iran, but the latter has already bought up all the money with the Watermelons, and the remainder has been poured into 80 Boeings, which quite real freeze).

[NordUral]

For domestic flights, a temporary certificate (or other solution) could be provided. But why is it top? It’s easier and more profitable to get kickbacks for Boeing and Airbuses.

[Alekseev]

Quote: maxim947

And after all, a huge domestic market

That's right!
Sooner or later, with one degree or another degree of localization, this will happen.
We also need to understand that if our planes are even slightly better and cheaper than Boeings, Airbases and the Chinese adjacent to them, they simply will not be allowed to sell them on a global market on a global scale.
What to do, what to do ?! Yes, first of all, do not rely on export, but focus on the domestic market, make air transportation more accessible (at least due to cheaper kerosene in the oil producing country).
Then, abroad, there will be a certain demand for our civilian aircraft.

[NordUral]

And what do we have - our small market? But something is not heard about him, all about export. Our problems are not interesting for this.

[NordOst16]

Well, what kind of people are such and power

[NordOst16]

If the size of our domestic market would be large, look at the GDP figures, which are smaller than Germany. And besides, in order to sell planes abroad (preferably to rich countries because there is more demand), you need to have good relations with them. And under today's conditions, this is very problematic.

[Beltasir matyagu]

That's what it means when a global elite feeds a country. And orders for a thousand and all on the ointment "suddenly." For the Chinese, artificially there is no competition and zero podkoverovyh barriers. It still barely flew and it’s already the turn. Smacks of tesla

[NordUral]

Smart heads in power, patriots of the country, not thieves, as we have.

[NordOst16]

Everything is in our hands, and a history textbook will tell you how to make the best country in the world

[NordUral]

Well done! I envy you neighbors! And I curse the ushlepok from "our! Power, who ruined the civil aviation industry!"

[APASUS]

I don’t find anything surprising in the fact that China produces modern aircraft. Here I have other information that interests how reliable this aircraft is in operation, it doesn’t work out like in the auto industry in China.

[exo]

For airlines, the presence on this plane, western engines and avionics is a huge plus. There will be no problems with logistics and repairs. Given that the suppliers are engaged in Boeing and Airbus. Again, most of the a / c have a mixed fleet. In which there is A and B. It is not necessary to develop new connections.
Well and most importantly: these engines are the most reliable and modern. Brought to mind.
MC-21, not a competitor. Namely, due to the fact that avionics and engines are Russian on it.
By the way, this is one of the reasons why the fate of the Superjet is more successful than the An-148. The case, not only in Poghosyan.