The United States sent to Europe "Avengers"

The US Department of Defense sent the first batch of self-propelled short-range anti-aircraft missile systems Avenger AN / TWQ-1 (Avenger) to Europe, reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal armyrecognition.com.

Air defense systems Avenger AN / TWQ-1 were developed in 80-s and represent the army off-road vehicle HMMWV in the pick-up version, in the back of which is located a turntable with a mounted anti-aircraft missile system consisting of two launchers, totaling eight FIM- missiles 92 Stinger. Recently, the complex is almost never used by the American army. Combat vehicles for Europe were removed from storage in one of the military units in Pennsylvania, where they were awaiting disposal.

To modernize the complexes in 2017, the US Army successfully tested a new version of the Stinger MANPADS with a proximity fuse. During the tests, the military launched two Stinger missiles from the M1097 Avenger drones-MQM-170C Outlaw targets and successfully hit them.

The European Command of the American Army, EUCOM (United States European Command), requested the Avenger 72. The first batch in the number of 36 machines has already gone to Europe, the second completes the passage of the re-entry and modernization.

Comments

[AlexYa]

Right now vparit sodomites at the price of weapons "Doomsday".

[Andrey K]

Avenging Avengers will be terrible
Read TTX FIM-92 Stinger:
Maximum range: 4,8 - 8 km .:
Maximum target height: 3,8 km;
Maximum / average speed: 750 / 700 m / s (2,2 / 2,06 M).
Helicopters will be able to shoot down, attack aircraft "gaping" or descending below 4000 meters.
Su-25 Major Roman Filipov in the sky of the Syrian Idlib, with a high degree of probability was shot down by the "Stinger".
Can they prepare for drones?
Or raise the "fighting" spirit of the Baltic states, they are noble scrap metal collectors

[SRC P-15]

Fighting vehicles for Europe were removed from storage in a military unit in Pennsylvania, where they were awaiting disposal.

"God be with you, that we do not care!" USA in its repertoire: disposal was successful.

[Observer2014]

Andrey K E.

Read TTX FIM-92 Stinger:

USSR 60s of the last century

The creation of the Strela-10SV self-propelled air defense missile system (ind. 9К35) began according to the Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the USSR Council of Ministers on 24.07.1969.

In times of time! Avenger It's like a Maxim machine gun with a picatinny rail

[Andrey K]

Quote: Observer2014

... "Avenger" It's like a machine gun, "Maxim" with a picatinny rail ...

Greetings Sergey
To simplify at all, I would not.
The stingers that are installed on their "Avengers", at one time in Afghanistan, "heartburn" instilled in us not sickly.
MANPADS is outdated - but not less dangerous

[The_lancet]

MANPADS is outdated - but not less dangerous

They are powerless against some helicopters
(Need to watch to the end)

[Observer2014]

Andrey K

The stingers that are installed on their "Avengers", at the time, "heartburn" we were added to Afghanistan is not sickly

. Here the situation is different. Generally different. When the partisans in the mountains. From the shoulder they shot this one. And then pack those same stingers in the mountains and it would be just a gift for our Air Force. What can you say about all this in modern realities? Yes, it’s just that our armies have different tasks. They keep their troops at all costs. We do. (See my comment below)

We are not going to change the system in their countries anymore.

That’s all said. So on the European theater. This is a machine. To put it mildly. Well, in general, very much not relevant.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Observer2014

... Well, in general, it is very not relevant.

So I about the machine suggested that in some "young democracies" this scrap metal would be happy

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Observer2014

So on the European TVD. This is a machine. How to say softer. Well, in general, very much not relevant.

laughing in vain. How is the Avanter fundamentally different from our Bending or Pine? Yes, nothing - the same MANPADS on a mobile chassis. Before starting, the machine does not detect itself (the radar does not have anything), and there will be a lot of problems for attack aircraft, turntables and UAVs. Mobile chassis - the ability to quickly change position. The thing, though not ultramodern, but no less dangerous. In addition, the missiles themselves are far from obsolete versions.

[Observer2014]

Grigory_45

laughing in vain. How is the Avanter fundamentally different from our Bending or Pine? Yes, nothing - the same MANPADS on a mobile chassis

Nothing !!!! ??? Ha ha ha. What kind of MANPADS on the "Pine" !!!? Teach materiel "Gibka-S." This is a radar. To increase the combat potential of MANPADS !!!!! Do you launch a rocket from the Pine complex from your shoulder? I want to see it!

[Grigory_45]

admire)

Quote: Observer2014

Do you launch a rocket from the Pine complex off your shoulder?

Is that all you saw? Sadly .. would have looked at least at the principle of its work and at the affected area. Well, okay, the main thing is that it doesn’t bother you to make fun of mattresses) For "Bending", which is a complete analogue of the "Avenger", and which is still being prepared to receive, will there be no laughter?

[Observer2014]

Grigory_45

admire)

Here it is! This is precisely the Sosna air defense system
A complex air defense "Bending" Military Review ● IN
Anti-aircraft missile system "Gibka-S"
12 September 2016

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Observer2014

"Gibka-S". This is a radar to increase the combat potential of MANPADS

Yeah, the Sentinel mobile radar AN / MPQ-64 for the same purposes can be included in the Avenger. Those. "Bending" is a complete analogue. Irrelevant, but not yet adopted for service?

[chingachguc]

Our "Arrows" and "Pines" are the same packed in a car ... And this is far from a gift. Great confusion is coming, everyone is arming themselves, utilization programs are canceled, obsolete weapons are again at the combat post.

[Hiller]

Well, throwing hats is wrong. And Afghanistan is a confirmation of this. Hard practice. The same General Rutskoi on MiG 25 was shot down by Stinger. For 86-87 years, losses from missiles of about 50 units of our helicopters and aircraft. More than a regiment. Objective for the sake of: not only the Stingers, but also our Arrows from Egypt .. Mattress mattresses from the spirits then bought them back in the 90s for almost 200 thousand dollars per piece.

[Observer2014]

Hiller

Well, throwing hats is wrong. And Afghanistan is confirmation of this. Hard practice. For 86-87 years, losses from missiles were about 50 units of our helicopters and aircraft. More than a regiment. Objective for the sake of: not only Stingers, but also our Arrows from Egypt .. Mattress mattresses from the spirits then bought them back in the 90s for almost 200 thousand dollars per piece.

"Stinger" in the execution of MANPADS is one thing. Packed in the Avenger drindulet is another! Ahhhh. All I have to sleep! Bye everyone. Until tomorrow

[hohol95]

If Rutskoi flew on the MiG-25 ... He flew and was shot down twice on the SU-25!
And the first defeat of SU-25 Rutsky on April 6, 1986 is attributed not to Stinger, but to the Red Eye (MANPADS "Red Eye"). "

[Hiller]

"flushed up - it was wrong" .. "an otopyatka"))) of course SU -25, commander of 90 OSHAP .. well, about "Red Ey" or "Stinger". ??? a question for military intelligence ... in general MANPADS .. Shot down twice - lucky,. even met with the Pakistani F-16 pilot, who dumped Rutsky

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: hiller

The same General Rutskoi on MiG 25 was shot down by Stinger.

Rutskoi was shot down on a Su-25 (attack aircraft).

[Hiller]

already corrected

[Simargl]

Quote: Observer2014

Avenger It's like a Maxim machine gun with a picatinny rail

There is AK with Picatinny rail!
And the Avenger is like a Maxim machine gun ... without Picatinny slats!
... a dumb joke of humor: any MANPADS is + a problem.

[Alexey g]

They are dangerous for helicopters, so there isn’t much funny here.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Andrey K

Read TTX FIM-92 Stinger:

A feature of FIM-92 is the thermal imaging seeker. The missile was developed for use in the Avenger air defense system. I do not know that this version of the Stinger was released in the MANPADS version ...

[Dreamboat]

In vain you laugh. Any transfer of enemy weapons to our borders, especially in the quantities of tens of units, is not good.
And the installation itself is an analog of our Bending-S, which is only being adopted for service. She does not fight with small drones due to the fact that she works on optical and thermal imaging channels, but front-line aviation can create a lot of problems. Moreover, since there is no radar from it, no stealth technology and electronic warfare do not interfere with it.
If obsolete missiles were replaced in it, then the thing is dangerous.

[Lelek]

Quote: Dreamboat

In vain you laugh. Any transfer of enemy weapons to our borders, especially in the quantities of tens of units, is not good.

Of course it’s not good, given how much has been crammed in previous years.

[Dreamboat]

Only in this and last year hundreds of military vehicles have already been deployed. And all this is not done from good intentions.

[chingachguc]

It is planned to additionally put lasers on the Avangers to combat drones.

[Maksus]

The Avenger also has a 30mm gun, this is such a very light version of the Shell.

[Dreamboat]

Only a Browning machine gun for self-defense ...

[Maksus]

Yes, I'm sorry, there really is a machine gun, but it is not only for self-defense, but also for firing at low-speed and unarmored air targets.

[Observer2014]

The United States sent to Europe "Avengers"

I take revenge and my revenge is terrible Against Iskander, Dagger and other long-range missile nomenclature of Russia is what you need
P / S We are not going to change the system in their countries anymore. And let's say that it was.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Observer2014

I take revenge and my revenge is terrible

The name is absolutely correct. With its range of application, it is unable to protect. Well, on the “revenge” all the same there are chances

[chingachguc]

Avanger in its class is a formidable weapon ... what's the point of comparing horseradish with your finger?

[Dormidont]

Scrap metal

[Dezinto]

I look there, under the hood, each basin has basins, .... does the oil leak from the engine?
Well it’s clear that there’s not, of course, but it looks funny. And yes, the United States, like England in its repertoire, ...
the English sold their "Samsons" to dill, the United States sent their most ancient and decommissioned "Humves" ...

[Egorovich]

Well, the miracle weapon of the mattress against the "Kanzhalov" is already ready and goes to Geyropu.

[san4es]

EUCOM (United States European Command) requested 72 Avengers

Mattresses together with the Romanian air defense units in the exercises on July 19, 2017. The mattresses used their Avenger Mobile Air Defense missile systems to shoot down targeted drones in Capu Midia, Romania. Charlie Battery Unit, 2nd Battalion, 263rd Air Defense Artillery Regiment

Jul 2017 year

[dog breeder]

On the chevrons of hemp, faces smeared with brilliant green ... Bulked?

[san4es]

Quote: dog breeder

On the chevrons of hemp, faces smeared with brilliant green ... Bulked?

... together with the Romanian units

... - Romanians .

[Observer2014]

san4es :.

- romanians

.

[KOMA]

Here they are Romanians, in the Urals, the air defense of the times of the missile systems Berkut. But in height, range and power ...

[faiver]

so they knocked down cheonite?

[Hiller]

some kind of gypsies on mattresses "on the beach by the Russian avenger I’m threatening" and the results of the launches are not visible ... although the appearance is "million in a million" .. greenhouse conditions

[poquello]

nifiga did not understand, all this evil design to carry 8 missiles?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

all this evil design to carry 8 missiles?

and another 8 - spare. Recharge in just 4 minutes

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: poquello

all this evil design to carry 8 missiles?

and another 8 - spare. Recharge in just 4 minutes

Well, in the sense of not in a pencil case ?, so they can still carry a bag on a cart

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

so they can still carry a bag on a cart

can. And how much TPK should be on the launcher? As much as you can shoot in a short time (for repelling one attack). More missiles - the risk of damage to the TPK by fragments, more dimensions and mass of the rotating part, which is not great. Recharging does not take much time. On the domestic "bending" six missiles hang

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

On the domestic "bending" six missiles hang

but not how much they hang, how much they hang? bending is much slimmer

[ihtamnet]

The first batch of 36 cars has already gone to Europe, the second completes the passage of re-conservation and modernization.
And what is modernization?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ihtamnet

And what is modernization?

most likely, but the air defense system's adaptation to the use of new missiles of the FIM-92E Block II type with an all-aspect multi-spectral seeker (IR and UV) that are insensitive to IR traps

[ihtamnet]

It turns out a new rocket and already used PU. But did the Amer’s Stinger also be withdrawn from service as MANPADS or was it just Avenger that was removed from service? Or not removed and just canned?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ihtamnet

A Stinger amers also withdrawn from service

"Stingers" no one took off weapons. They especially did not use them - there was no enemy. More recently, the U.S. Army has begun training MANPADS operators again.
“Avengers” at one time tried to merge into storage tanks, they were replaced by a more expensive, but advanced ADATS, but he never entered service. The Avengers regularly serve in the United States. Americans in general have always been rather careless in providing their own military air defense, relying more on aviation. Now ancient machines have been extracted from under the naphthalene layer. They have no short-range air defense systems in Europe

[chingachguc]

The Americans of all means of land defense only Stingers, Avangers and Patriots. And that’s it. Their air defense is relatively weak, with an emphasis on aviation. Like, the planes will protect them. What I'm personally not sure about.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: chingachguc

Of all the means of ground defense, Americans have only Stingers, Avangers and Patriots

There are still a small number of NASAMS. But in general, you are right, they rely on aviation specifically. And the land phase should, according to their concept, begin only when complete domination in the sky is established. In the case of UAVs, they flew a little

[chingachguc]

This, by the way, is an offensive doctrine. In my opinion, they don’t have a defensive one at all. And this is their big minus.

[Nyrobsky]

Fighting vehicles for Europe were removed from storage in a military unit in Pennsylvania, where they were awaiting disposal.

The mattresses thought - "Why should the good disappear when you can put this rubbish on to terriers, ie NATO partners, for quite real money? In vain do they unfasten 2% of GDP)))

[faiver]

recycling also costs money, but here such luck :)

[Herculesic]

They waited, and apparently waited for recycling, but not the same as they thought in the United States!

[Graz]

go to the Balts, the British intelligence tanks Skimitar of the 70s produced 600 bucks for 000 pc.

[Varna]

Judging by the bowls under the crankcase - this is really old, unnecessary trash

[A.]

Quote: Herkulesich

They waited, and apparently waited for recycling, but not the same as they thought in the United States!

Recently, nine commandos, their dealers, were disposed of in plastic bags in Syria, a trifle, but nice. Keep it up. A little earlier, a plane with two pilots disappeared - this is nothing at all. But the positive trend is encouraging.

[Prisoner]

Are there speech therapists in the usa?

[Fox]

Quote: Captive

And there are speech therapists in the usa

people from different countries are sitting on the site ... and not everyone in the school taught Russian. Some people learn it themselves and, in general, it’s clear that they write.

[Prisoner]

Is that how they avenged their European partners?

[General70]

Interestingly, but nothing more serious mattresses could not send something?

[chingachguc]

on combat alert after a week they will catch up, so be it))

[Zomanus]

I won’t be surprised if the cars end up in Syria or Ukraine.
It’s already taken so seriously for us,
fit to talk about preparing for an attack
to our troops.

[Brylevsky]

Quote: DEZINTO

I look there, under the hood, each basin has basins, .... does the oil leak from the engine?

Technique with conservation. For a long downtime, engine oil partially loses its properties. As a result, it is recommended to change the oil in order to increase engine life. In the process of changing the oil, the oil filter always changes, and oil inevitably flows from the filter. In order not to stain the site, they put a pan under the filter ... As I understand it, you do not have your own car.

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Varna

Judging by the bowls under the crankcase - this is really old, unnecessary trash

Another ... Have you ever changed engine oil yourself? When you make money on your first live, amazing discoveries await you ...

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Nyrobsky

"Why goodness disappear when you can vparit this trash terpilyah ie NATO partners,

Oh God ... What are the partners? This is for the American army in Europe ...

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: Andrey K

Read TTX FIM-92 Stinger:

A feature of FIM-92 is the thermal imaging seeker. The missile was developed for use in the Avenger air defense system. I do not know that this version of the Stinger was released in the MANPADS version ...

This refers to the IR GOS, the translation is incorrect

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Andrey K

Avenging Avengers will be terrible
Read TTX FIM-92 Stinger:
Maximum range: 4,8 - 8 km .:
Maximum target height: 3,8 km;
Maximum / average speed: 750/700 m / s (2,2 / 2,06)

Wrong TTX from you. If you take it from Wikipedia, then there is an incorrect translation. In reality, TTX is more modest. Range 4 km, height 3.
Those who translated had a level of knowledge of the English language of elementary school, plus complete ignorance of military terminology. Rank means the range of application, not the range. Roughly speaking, the diameter of the circle in which you can hit the target.
Here is part of the original:
Specifications

Primary function To provide close-in, surface-to-air weapons for the defense of forward combat areas, vital areas and installations against low altitude air attacks.
Manufacturer Prime - Hughes Missile System Company
Missile - General Dynamics / Raytheon Corporation
Propulsion Dual thrust solid fuel rocket motor
Length 5 feet (1.5 meters)
Width 5.5 inches (13.96 centimeters)
Weight 12.5 pounds (5.68 kilograms)
Weight fully armed 34.5 pounds (15.66 kg)
Maximum system span 3.6 inches (9.14 cm)
Range 1 to 8 kilometers
Sight ring 10 mils
Fuzing Penetration, Impact, Self Destruct
Ceiling 10,000 feet
Speed ​​Supersonic in flight
USMC Units Low-Altitude Air Defense (LAAD) Battalions: 3 active duty, 2 reserve
Crew 2 enlisted
Guidance system Fire-and-forget passive infrared seeker
Warheads High explosive
Rate of fire 1 missile every 3 to 7 seconds
Type of fire "Fire-and-Forget"
Sensors Passive infrared
introduction date 1987
Full-rate production 3QFY94
Unit Replacement Cost $38,000
Total program cost (TY$) 1060 systems $7281M
Average unit cost (TY$) $6M
Inventory ~13,400 missiles

In short Range 1-8 km means that the range is from 500 m to 4 km on both sides of the arrow. If you explain in simple terms.
You can see that the height is 10000 feet, i.e. 3,046 km. It is indicated here as Ceiling, i.e. translated as Ceiling or ceiling level

[gukoyan]

Wow ... Until today, I did not even know about such a modification.