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China confirmed the development of railgun

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PLA representatives confirmed unofficial information about testing the railgun on board the Huanggang Shan, reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal atimes.com.


Recall that in February of this year, the modernized ship Huanggang Shan was photographed at the shipyard Wuhan (Hubei Province). Instead of a paired 37-mm H / PJ76F cannon, in its nose was placed a large superstructure with a “trunk”, which was considered the prototype of the railgun.

China confirmed the development of railgun


Now it has become known that the new weapon is truly electromagnetic. Thus, Huanggang Shan was the first ship in the world to have a valid railgun pattern. According to Zhang Xiao, a researcher at Wuhan Naval Engineering University, a breakthrough in development was achieved after hundreds of failed tests and 50 000 tests.

An electromagnetic tool, also known as a railgun or railgun, is considered a promising weapon. In many countries, the development of electromagnetic weapons for the army, and enthusiasts are trying to collect railguns at home. Last year, the US Navy suspended work on the creation of the ship's electromagnetic gun, while the US Army continued to develop a ground-based railgun.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 17 March 2018 15: 03
    +7
    The Chinese are stubborn guys ... they’ll definitely make a railgun (I don’t know why I really need it) ... and I think they use American know-how ... there are more than enough representatives of Asia in American laboratories, and with Chinese patriotism everything is in order ...
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 17 March 2018 15: 25
      +3
      With certain parameters that the Americans have not yet reached, this is a very effective weapon. Even without a charge, as in modern shells, a simple blank fired from a railgun has enough kinetic energy to cause not less, but even more damage.
      1. san4es
        san4es 17 March 2018 15: 36
        +6
        Quote: dog breeder
        ... a simple blank launched from a railgun will have enough kinetic energy ....

        hi //// Projectile speed 3 km | s (1,9 mph). The video shows how it goes through 12 concrete blocks.

        sept. 2016 year
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 17 March 2018 16: 18
          +2
          According to Zhang Xiao, a researcher at Wuhan Naval Engineering University, a breakthrough in development was achieved after hundreds of failed trials and 50 tests

          here the old joke recalls how the Chinese of their first cosmonaut launched into orbit. The launch was recognized as successful, only 5000 Chinese had a hernia after working on a giant slingshot.
          1. san4es
            san4es 17 March 2018 16: 31
            +3
            Quote: AnpeL
            ... after working on a giant slingshot.

            ... Not ... That rover was bully
            Yutu is the first planet-rover in over 40 years to operate on the Moon since the end of the Soviet Lunokhod-2 on May 11, 1973. Its landing was the first soft landing on the moon since 1976, after the Soviet Luna-24 AIS, while China became the third power to land softly on the moon after the USSR and the USA.
            1. Logall
              Logall 17 March 2018 16: 51
              +4
              The namesake, hello!
              So you think that this is a promising development. That's just the sheer size. How to move it? Isn’t it easier to load shells instead of a railgun on a tractor?
              Damn, there would be a pocket railgun, then another thing.
              1. san4es
                san4es 17 March 2018 17: 08
                +2
                Quote: Logall
                The namesake, hello!
                So you think that this is a promising development ...

                hi .... Healthy ... This is what the Chinese think so ... And we are observing bully
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 17 March 2018 18: 21
            +4
            Such an answer only says that there is not a close theoretical basis. The question is how much more time must elapse in order to understand that it is impossible to obtain a high energy density on solenoids.
            1. san4es
              san4es 17 March 2018 18: 35
              +2
              Quote: gridasov
              ... how much more time must pass before they understand that it is impossible to obtain a high energy density on solenoids.

              ...-- this is to the Chinese ... hi
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 17 March 2018 20: 13
                +4
                Yeah. Type in Russian and Americans, the induction of current is carried out differently.
                1. san4es
                  san4es 17 March 2018 20: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Yeah. Type in Russian and Americans, the induction of current is carried out differently.

                  ... - in any way ... They have - in Chinese. bully
        2. Horon
          Horon 17 March 2018 18: 28
          +1
          Try using a 125 mm tungsten crowbar under such a distance and the effect will not be much smaller! Only this is already there and has been tested many times and most importantly - it charges much faster.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 March 2018 21: 30
            +2
            The difference is that gunpowder is needed for a conventional projectile. For hundreds of shells - a lot of gunpowder in the shells. And for the railgun gunpowder is not necessary. The ship became survivable, because there was no fear of the enemy getting into the shell depot with its detonation.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 17 March 2018 21: 51
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The ship became survivable, because there is no fear of the enemy getting into the shell depot with its detonation

              But there are batteries.
              More capricious than gunpowder (I know for sure - you can drop the charge, the battery is undesirable).
              Also consumables, like gunpowder. It’s possible to find that it’s cheaper to shoot with gunpowder, or with electricity, of course ... but lazily.
              Also fire hazardous. Less, of course, than gunpowder, but still ...
              So neither cheaper nor survivable - it doesn’t become, according to an estimate request
            2. Horon
              Horon 17 March 2018 21: 59
              +3
              Naturally, except for the fact that there is a chance of a projectile getting into a nuclear reactor and rocket mines, moreover, it’s five times more, since the powder charges have a higher rate of fire. Plus, energy storage devices (capacitor banks) do not explode weakly if a fragment gets into them. if they already have energy, and subsequently give a good, even source of fire until the combustible materials or oxygen in the compartment burn out completely. The firing range will directly depend on the speed of the projectile, its weight and the fire resistance of the material of the projectile. It’s hard to talk about accuracy. When using guided projectiles, there is a limitation in maximum speed, otherwise the flight controls will burn. And an increase in mass will lead to an increase in the energy load of the railgun. Like it or not, everywhere there are restrictions lowering the possibilities of using railguns to a level close to the use of conventional powder artillery or missiles, but at the same time reduce the reliability and cost of operation. The only option where railguns can argue with existing weapons is to use ultra-small nuclear weapons, but it’s not so simple either. Perhaps this is also what prompted the Americans to change their doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons.
            3. abc_alex
              abc_alex 17 March 2018 22: 32
              0
              But when fired, the railgun generates powerful electromagnetic fields that will illuminate the ship for hundreds of kilometers, even for passive detection tools. These same fields will require you to disable the receiving systems of airborne radars.
              So most likely the railgun will not increase, but seriously reduce the survivability of the ship.

              And instead of a consumable in the form of gunpowder, a modern railgun needs consumables in the form of trunks. :)
            4. AUL
              AUL 17 March 2018 23: 10
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And for the railgun gunpowder is not necessary.
              Gunpowder is not necessary, but he eats electricity immeasurably! And this is diesel fuel for a diesel engine or turbine working on a generator. And she needs a lot!
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 March 2018 00: 04
                +1
                So the three Zumvolts are built based on electric weapons. They have excess electricity production just for railguns, lasers, etc.
                That is, the platform is already there. We must finish the weapon to acceptable performance characteristics for
                rate of fire, accuracy, resource barrel.
                1. Kurare
                  Kurare 18 March 2018 12: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  So the three Zumvolts are built based on electric weapons. They have excess electricity production just for railguns, lasers, etc.

                  They built it, only this floating power plant is very capricious and completely not brought to combat condition.
                  Well, since the Americans refused to further develop the railgun for the fleet, the Zumvolts will bullet like ordinary dreadnoughts.
                2. gridasov
                  gridasov 18 March 2018 16: 54
                  +2
                  Yes, you don’t have to be very smart not to understand that a normal weapon is one that seized the target, quietly left, quickly approached the target and hit the target in the way it was intended. Therefore, railguns as well as any similar devices have a fundamental problem which consists in acceleration of the projectile too high. Further, everyone understands
            5. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 18 March 2018 12: 44
              +1
              The volume of the artillery cellar hidden below and the size of the capacitor bank. located directly at the railgun. If you get into this device even a small-sized one, which breaks through the shell of the Conder, it will lead to an explosion equivalent to the explosion of the cellar. You did not explode the capacitors in the TV? Such a small aluminum cylinder, and in the room the fluff flies invincibly. And the offal of the telly must be washed than just .....
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 18 March 2018 18: 42
                +3
                It seems to me that after such a offal of the TV, there is no sense in washing off.
                1. Vkd dvk
                  Vkd dvk 19 March 2018 11: 32
                  0
                  Quote: sabakina
                  It seems to me that after such a offal of the TV, there is no sense in washing off.

                  Any question in our life is a wallet issue. More precisely, with its thickness.
  2. polpot
    polpot 17 March 2018 15: 04
    +4
    You can also do the perpetual motion machine also interestingly, steam guns of the 19th century come to mind as they spent a lot of money, there was only little sense.
  3. JON IVAHOVISH
    JON IVAHOVISH 17 March 2018 15: 20
    0
    and who needs it yesterday - where they will shoot at the sparrows
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 March 2018 15: 28
      +4
      But the hole in the sparrow will be guaranteed to fly crying
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 18 March 2018 18: 43
        +3
        It seems to me that our sparrow will be against shooting at him.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 18 March 2018 19: 03
          +4
          I agree. crying Sorry for the bird!
  4. JON IVAHOVISH
    JON IVAHOVISH 17 March 2018 15: 21
    0
    stupid development shoots at 50 km and then along the ballistic trajectory of the roofing felts case Dagger once and all
  5. Ascetic
    Ascetic 17 March 2018 15: 22
    +9
    In Shatura, we are sawing a plasma railotron, it seems they have achieved some success.
    The power of the advanced railgun is enough to accelerate bodies weighing one hundred grams to speeds above three kilometers per second. “In two years, the power supply of the installation in Shatura has increased six-fold - from 0,8 megajoule to 4,8”
    The Institute has prepared experiments with a railgun, which is powered by a pulsed inductive energy storage. “Such a power scheme allows you to get a higher rate of energy input into the plasma, which should increase the temperature of the plasma piston and, accordingly, increase the speed”,
    speeds higher than seven kilometers per second "will open up the possibility of studying the properties of substances under extreme parameters, obtaining new materials." Also, the studies of physicists in the future allow military use.
    It is assumed that the railguns will become the basis for the electromagnetic artillery of the future. It is estimated that systems installed on ships will be able to shell objects at a distance of 300-400 kilometers and hit targets in low Earth orbit.

    In the US, the military railgun program is in jeopardy. The Pentagon admits the possibility of redirecting project financing to support more traditional weapons. In addition to Russia and the USA, China, India and Turkey are also working on creating an electromagnetic gun.
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    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 17 March 2018 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: Ascetic
      ...

      Interestingly, did you come up with the idea that you can shoot 400 km and get hit by a projectile without a charge and a homing system? And also in the body, flying in orbit, so with a speed of 9 km / s, your projectile? Tell me. how is this possible. And, especially, from the unstable deck of a ship on a vibrant surface?
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 17 March 2018 20: 19
      +1
      Everyone rests on energy sources. Further, in the methodology of its concentration and in the process of exposure to the body. All these are electromagnetic processes. In addition, the result will be only the kinetic energy of the flight of the body. They do something and don’t even understand what they will do with it
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 18 March 2018 17: 00
      +1
      You can not infinitely increase the energy density in a power source. Breakdown to the ground will occur. Why I think it’s not necessary to explain. Therefore, it is very simple to calculate the critical energy parameters that can be applied for implementation. In general, it is more convenient to work with a sling than a railgun.
  6. Vard
    Vard 17 March 2018 15: 34
    +3
    In short, they did it by the method of scientific poking ... We have all the scientific breakthroughs in the smoking room ... and they have "a breakthrough in development was achieved after hundreds of failed tests and 50 tests"
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 17 March 2018 15: 43
      +5
      Quote: Vard
      In short, they did it by the method of scientific poking ... We have all the scientific breakthroughs in the smoking room ... and they have "a breakthrough in development was achieved after hundreds of failed tests and 50 tests"

      The Chinese are strong in painstaking patience, we are out of the ordinary savvy. Which is better to argue until blue in the face .. winked
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 17 March 2018 15: 51
        +2
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        The Chinese are strong in painstaking patience, we are out of the ordinary savvy. Which is better to argue

        If you combine these qualities, you get a hellish mixture. good wassat laughing
        1. Horon
          Horon 17 March 2018 19: 01
          +1
          If you combine these qualities, you get a hellish mixture.

          Especially if Russian slowness and Chinese thievery are combined!
      2. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 19 March 2018 11: 44
        0
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Quote: Vard
        In short, they did it by the method of scientific poking ... We have all the scientific breakthroughs in the smoking room ... and they have "a breakthrough in development was achieved after hundreds of failed tests and 50 tests"

        The Chinese are strong in painstaking patience, we are out of the ordinary savvy. Which is better to argue until blue in the face .. winked

        Why argue, and even more so, until blue in the face? You just need to think about something else - at what distance you can get into the target (not near the target, but into the target itself) with a probability of 40%. Without homing projectile. In other words, is it guaranteed to hit the target from the third shot? Then move smoothly to the energy of destruction. Under no circumstances should an aircraft carrier be drowned with a three-gram bullet. From here, go to the mass of the projectile so that the adversary is destroyed on the first hit. And only after that, to the energy of the railgun itself.
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 17 March 2018 15: 40
    +3
    It is interesting that they have the resource of this unit. I remember the main problems in the creation - power consumption and installation materials ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 March 2018 21: 33
      +1
      The Americans brought the resource to approximately that of the barrel of an ordinary howitzer. And the rate of fire, too - to the rate of fire of an ordinary howitzer.
      But sailors (customers) expected twice as fast rate of fire.
      And for this reason they did not take development.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 17 March 2018 23: 12
        +4
        Where did you read this heresy? The United States cannot achieve any parameters close to the “ordinary howitzer”. Do you understand what you wrote? The rate of fire of the "ordinary howitzer" in a self-propelled version with an automatic loader made from Russia is 8-10 rounds per minute. Do you think the "sailors" expected 15-20 rounds per minute? :) For reference: AK-130 double-barreled artillery machine gives real 20-25 rounds per minute. On two trunks. :)
        Yes, if the railgun really gave even 10 rounds per minute it would have been mounted on all the ships of the US Navy :) For you and the gullible "developers" from the USA, you once again turned the information upside down. In real life, during the tests, BAE Systems managed to get only a DUPLET. Two shots with an interval of 24 seconds. AND EVERYTHING. There is no mention of a rate of fire comparable to a "regular howitzer" in real life. With the same success, the United States could lie that a double-barreled gun has a machine gun rate :)

        Although ... If we take the real rate of fire of exactly the US howitzers of the Paladin type (4 rounds per minute), then maybe you are right ...

        The resource of the trunk claimed in 300-400 shots. And this is without any evidence. How famously the US developers know how to lie, everyone knows, so this is a matter of faith. But the resource of the barrel of an ordinary howitzer, for example Msta-S, is about 2000 rounds.

        In real life, the US railgun is a crooked expensive toy that has been tried for 20 years by the “tankers” and then the “sailors” for XNUMX years, but which still remains crooked. She did not even get close to the parameters of modern artillery systems.

        But I will not be surprised if in a couple of years the railguns begin to be attached to something else. For example, to air defense / missile defense. Developers in the US military-industrial complex, if they are completely unsurpassed in anything, are capable of pushing their enormous projects through Congress ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 March 2018 23: 26
          +1
          "How famously able to lie, the US developers know everything" ////

          Except the Israelis. smile
          Israel buys a wide range of American ammunition: shells, missiles, bombs. Everything corresponds to the declared performance characteristics and works quite reliably.
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 17 March 2018 23: 57
            +2
            :) Let's call a spade a spade, Israel does not buy, but receives for free. :) As part of military assistance. And he “buys” only what developers no longer make sense of lying, since it has already been put into service, purchased, shot and exploded in local conflicts, and even managed to lie down for some time in warehouses. It therefore corresponds to the declared performance characteristics, because all the lies of the developers have already been dropped to the ground by practice :)
            You can’t convince someone that a projectile flies 100 km if it flies by 10 during actual shooting. But lie that he byflying 100 km is possible.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 18 March 2018 00: 12
              +2
              Wrong. Israel buys the latest weapons. Usually they are usually tested for the first time in combat conditions. As always, there are flaws in new weapons, the manufacturer receives a fitback from us, and the design is improved. But there was no deception. Americans are very honest people in business. It is easy to work with them - without bureaucracy and mutual fraud.
              Examples: Apache helicopter, F-16 fighter, air-to-air missiles.
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 18 March 2018 01: 51
                +2
                Examples: Apache helicopter, F-16 fighter, air-to-air missiles.

                Israel buys the latest weapons


                Apache was developed in the mid-70s, put into service in 1984, Israel purchased the first AH-64A in 1990. At least 6 years after the start of full-fledged military operation in the US troops. And AH-64Ds have been purchased altogether since 2005.
                F-16 in the Israeli Air Force hit in 1980. At this point, these aircraft have already been delivered to Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark. The plane was new. But you know better than me that if Carter hadn’t happened in the USA, there wouldn’t have been any purchases of F-16s to Israel. :)

                And I repeat to you a second time: from the moment when the sample purchased into the US Army, lying no longer makes sense. They lie during the development period. It is for the sample to be purchased.
                For example, they have been lying about the railgun for several decades. They are convinced of the ability to improve, accelerate, increase, although it is easy to see for yourself that even the theory of the railgun operation is not fully developed by the Shtatovs and they cannot achieve the stated values ​​of the energy of the shot.

                In principle, you are probably right. Since the United States sponsors the Israeli army with billions of dollars, it obviously uses it as a testing ground. Although I don’t understand what is the point of testing military models in the conditions of the war with “barmales in slippers” ... But, probably, it’s better than nothing ...
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 18 March 2018 11: 09
                  +1
                  "And I repeat to you the second time: from the moment when the sample was purchased in the US Army,
                  lying no longer makes sense. They lie during the development period "////

                  Israel and the United States are developing dozens of projects together. Weapons are for the armies of the two countries. Whom to deceive yourself?
                  And I repeat to you again: new developments (for Israel, at least)
                  not suckers go to choose, but specialists. It’s impossible for them to “suck in” some inflated
                  characteristics and lime tests. Therefore, show the real "product."
                  I'm sorry to ruin your "slender frame of reference" smile about American crooks, but what can you do. Of all suppliers of equipment, it is easiest to work with Americans: there is no lies and bureaucracy.
                  1. Vkd dvk
                    Vkd dvk 18 March 2018 13: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    "And I repeat to you the second time: from the moment when the sample was purchased in the US Army,
                    lying no longer makes sense. They lie during the development period "////

                    Israel and the United States are developing dozens of projects together. Weapons are for the armies of the two countries. Whom to deceive yourself?
                    And I repeat to you again: new developments (for Israel, at least)
                    not suckers go to choose, but specialists. It’s impossible for them to “suck in” some inflated
                    characteristics and lime tests. Therefore, show the real "product."
                    I'm sorry to ruin your "slender frame of reference" smile about American crooks, but what can you do. Of all suppliers of equipment, it is easiest to work with Americans: there is no lies and bureaucracy.

                    As an example, give at least F-35. There is nothing. Neither lies nor bureaucracy. True, the prime ministers often put something at you.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 18 March 2018 17: 38
                      0
                      "bring at least F-35. There is nothing. Neither lies nor bureaucracy" ////

                      That's right. A great example of effective military cooperation.
                      Changes in the design for connecting Israeli weapons and Israel’s open access to the program code were quickly and business-like agreed.
                      Aircraft are delivered on time and are already taking part in military operations. There are no complaints about quality. Collaboration with Lockheed is good.
                      1. abc_alex
                        abc_alex 19 March 2018 02: 34
                        0
                        Only you do not seem to understand what they are telling you. Stubbornly pretending to have forgotten what promises in terms of price, timing and specifications were given by the US "developers" starting the F-35 project. Naturally, when the project entered the stage of serial purchases, no one was lying. Nearly. Unless with the price of service and a schedule to reduce the price of the car. They lied at the DEVELOPMENT stage. Re-read this phrase again, or write it down somewhere. :) The State is lying at the development stage. Selfless and talented. :)
                        It is clear that when the Israelis receive a plane from the United States, there is no longer any advertising campaign. And they will give access to the source code, in the hope that the Israelis will fix the jambs and catch the bugs :). Now then what? You pay from 80 to 110 million dollars apiece for these planes, you can respect it for that kind of money :) The product has already been sold. :)

                        And in what operations are the F-35s involved? Or is this information from the same category as the invulnerability of Merkava tanks? :)
                      2. Vkd dvk
                        Vkd dvk 19 March 2018 12: 07
                        0
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        "bring at least F-35. There is nothing. Neither lies nor bureaucracy" ////

                        That's right. A great example of effective military cooperation.
                        Changes in the design for connecting Israeli weapons and Israel’s open access to the program code were quickly and business-like agreed.
                        Aircraft are delivered on time and are already taking part in military operations. There are no complaints about quality. Collaboration with Lockheed is good.

                        Yes, they will agree with you in advance. Put what you want. They will even help adapt yours to yours. Only drive the loot. How easy it is to warm you!
        2. Dedall
          Dedall 18 March 2018 11: 28
          +1
          in fact, in artillery there is a concept of barrel life, which is calculated by the formula. I don’t remember the formula itself, but it takes into account the caliber, length and velocity of the projectile at the exit. For a 122 mm howitzer, indeed, the life expectancy is up to 2000. But on large calibers, it decreases sharply. That's because of this, for ship guns at the beginning of the 20th century, the liners came up with.
        3. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 18 March 2018 13: 15
          0
          Quote: abc_alex
          Developers in the US military-industrial complex, if they are completely unsurpassed in anything, are capable of pushing their enormous projects through Congress ...

          Legalized bribery, called lobbying to help them
        4. Korax71
          Korax71 18 March 2018 17: 22
          0
          For example, on the part of specialists in pushing lie-in projects and all other crap. 2 a38m, the declared barrel life is 30k shots. In tests, the barrel dies after 10k. Arabs buy normally, and our ride and change their trunks under warranty.
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 18 March 2018 16: 43
        +1
        When you do not know the true reasons, and they lie in the field of scientific knowledge, it is impossible to admit that you are stupid and you have a lot of money.
  8. vaaaaadik
    vaaaaadik 17 March 2018 15: 48
    +1
    In my opinion, conventional weapons are more reliable.
  9. tchoni
    tchoni 17 March 2018 15: 51
    0
    If the Chinese limit the list of targets for this railgun to a horizontal range, then there will be no sense in their program. And, if they are going to saw a strategic missile from a cannon, then the fate of American guns for the Zimwol awaits them.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 March 2018 21: 38
      0
      Challenge: hit fixed targets for 100 km using a GPS analog
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 17 March 2018 23: 35
        +3
        NO electronic unit can withstand the conditions of a shot from a railgun. Only a blank. When fired in the barrel, an electric arc with extraordinary energy is formed.
        And in addition - wild overload, transcendental power electromagnetic field, plasma exposure and high temperature. What kind of GPS is it? The acceleration of the projectile in the barrel is measured in tens of thousands of g. If someone in the world had the technology of manufacturing devices that can withstand an overload of 30000g, there would not have been such a thing as combat aircraft in the world :)
        And then, what's the use of the receiver? To control how in flight? Or are you going to push aerodynamic planes out of a projectile at such speeds? :)

        The States tried to make a similar projectile for Zumwalt for a conventional powder gun. It turned out a rocket priced at $ 800 thousand. And for a railgun, a guided missile will cost more than any cruise missile.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 March 2018 11: 13
          +1
          Electronics can withstand much more severe
          conditions inside the hydrogen bomb. Manages to work on time.
          The railgun is nothing compared to this.
          What are we arguing about? smile The Chinese are already experiencing the ship.
          The Russians will always say that "it is impossible, will not work," and then rush to catch up ...
          As with the stealth, laser and everything else.
          1. myrzilka
            myrzilka 18 March 2018 12: 25
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Electronics can withstand much more severe
            conditions inside the hydrogen bomb. Manages to work on time.

            laughing laughing wassat Fu woo damn, catch my breath after an explosion of laughter. Well, of course, the electronics in the hydrogen bomb are subject to powerful electromagnetic fields, acceleration on the hyper, and works after the explosion of the bomb. The bomb exploded, and the electronics work)))) This is the most breakthrough invention of Israeli scientists of recent times. A hydrogen bomb exploded, and the fuse board is indestructible and not subject to nuclear decay, soars to itself in the center of the explosion and works !!! All electronics on the hydrogen bomb work before the explosion, after the explosion there is no longer either a bomb or electronics. There is only hard radiation, shock and light waves, .... well, and also an iron man with a superman flying through a nuclear mushroom!
          2. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 18 March 2018 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Electronics can withstand much more severe
            conditions inside the hydrogen bomb. Manages to work on time.
            The railgun is nothing compared to this.
            What are we arguing about? smile The Chinese are already experiencing the ship.
            The Russians will always say that "it is impossible, will not work," and then rush to catch up ...
            As with the stealth, laser and everything else.

            The stealth theory was developed by the Russian Ufimtsev. Alexander Prokhorov and Nikolai Basov: the creators of the laser received the Nobel Prize
            at the same time as the Americans.
            Learn the materiel. You will not look ......
          3. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 19 March 2018 12: 10
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Electronics can withstand much more severe
            conditions inside the hydrogen bomb. Manages to work on time.
            The railgun is nothing compared to this.
            What are we arguing about? smile The Chinese are already experiencing the ship.
            The Russians will always say that "it is impossible, will not work," and then rush to catch up ...
            As with the stealth, laser and everything else.

            After THIS, you can no longer debate with you. It is becoming dangerous.
      2. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 18 March 2018 13: 07
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Challenge: hit fixed targets for 100 km using a GPS analog

        And you need to get not NEARBY, but exactly on target. What is the positioning accuracy of your system? A couple of tens of meters? Hello family.
  10. savage1976
    savage1976 17 March 2018 16: 03
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    Promising developments give not only weapons, but also related technologies, energy storage, maximum energy momentum, superconductors (for example, used in cellular and radio communications) and much more. Railguns, etc. developments may come in handy in the future for space systems. Weapons and technology are certainly not of today, but it is also not worth lagging behind in these areas.
  11. Dead duck
    Dead duck 17 March 2018 16: 50
    +3
    Maybe Kitaezy bungled a new thresher on the basis of the old? ...

    only the caliber was increased to 100-120 mm ... for slaughter laughing
    1. myrzilka
      myrzilka 18 March 2018 12: 27
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      Quote: Deadush
      only the caliber was increased to 100-120 mm.

      such a caliber is only necessary for opening the “Fort Knox”, well, if the trade war develops into a hot one
  12. 1skuns1
    1skuns1 17 March 2018 18: 13
    0
    https://youtu.be/FkdZGWn0j7Q

    I'd love to be reassured about this video ... (((
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 18 March 2018 19: 51
      +3
      I could reassure if I knew that in that video.
  13. S333
    S333 17 March 2018 19: 32
    0
    China is persistent and stubbornly pursuing concrete goals. No one would be surprised if soon China and laser weapons show.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 March 2018 19: 37
    0
    You still have to get out of the gun! wassat and sub-caliber blanks have long been flying out of the barrels of tank and sea guns ... and almost at similar speeds ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 March 2018 21: 36
      0
      A GPS receiver is inserted into the projectile. On fixed targets you can hit + - 10 m
      and over long distances for howitzers - about 100 km.
      1. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 17 March 2018 22: 43
        0
        and how does this receiver survive at such overloads?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 March 2018 23: 22
          +1
          With huge. The M155 Excalibur serial 982 mm projectile has both GPS and inertial.
          And laser guidance is now being built into it.
          By the way, they are going to shoot this crowbar from the railgun and from field howitzers. With a powder charge. The crowbar turned out successful.
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 18 March 2018 02: 31
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            Just the same "huge"? If you take the cannon from the "Acacia" as a sample with a barrel length of approximately 5,2 m and a projectile velocity at a section of the barrel of 650 m.s. acceleration will turn out approximately 4000g. :)
            But the railgun makes sense to use to obtain speeds greater than theoretically possible speeds of powder guns. That is, speeds significantly greater than 2,5 km / sec. The States are dreaming of 5-7 km / sec, this is understandable, the projectile is very light. Therefore, no matter what acceleration Escalibur performs for a railgun, it will be necessary to make a system that transfers multiple, if not an order of magnitude higher overloads.
          2. _Jack_
            _Jack_ 18 March 2018 11: 36
            +1
            well, you’re talking about a classic projectile, I thought you were talking about a railgun, there’s a lot of overloads there, no electronics will survive
          3. myrzilka
            myrzilka 18 March 2018 12: 28
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            On a serial 155 mm M982 Excalibur shell

            This shell does not fly on hyper.
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 17 March 2018 20: 27
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    The “current railgun model” is a very vague definition. Acting on 2 shots or three?) In order to achieve a real breakthrough in this topic, you need material science at the highest level, and this, let's say, is not the strongest side of the Chinese.
  16. Mentat
    Mentat 17 March 2018 23: 51
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Americans brought the resource to approximately that of the barrel of an ordinary howitzer. And the rate of fire, too - to the rate of fire of an ordinary howitzer.
    But sailors (customers) expected twice as fast rate of fire.
    And for this reason they did not take development.

    You are again engaged in distortions. Why do you constantly lying, not negotiating, distorting information?
    1. The resource rail is not brought and close to the resource of the trunk. 2. The projectile was not accepted into service, because it could not be taken into service - this is a prototype. Today, there is no electronics that can withstand the overload of a real combat shot. Tests of the prototype were carried out with low energy shots. Now they are trying to sell it somewhere in order to earn money in the second round, in addition to those allocated for development.
    1. Crane operator Nahamkinson
      Crane operator Nahamkinson 18 March 2018 02: 29
      +1
      He (voyaka uh) cannot forget cakes.
      And his difficult childhood in the USSR.
      So he does ..... to the extent of his modest powers.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 March 2018 11: 16
      +1
      "Today there is no electronics that can withstand the overload of a real combat shot" ///

      Even as it exists ... fellow
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 18 March 2018 12: 52
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        "Today there is no electronics that can withstand the overload of a real combat shot" ///

        Even as it exists ... fellow

        An artillery shell, unlike a railgun shell, does not experience electromagnetic effects, which in the rail will destroy any mechanism and any microcircuit. Compare God's gift with fried eggs. This is because you don’t know how to think.
    3. myrzilka
      myrzilka 18 March 2018 12: 29
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      Why are you constantly lying, not speaking, distorting information?

      It is they, so to speak, such a trait ... character)))))
  17. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 18 March 2018 09: 05
    +1
    Managed "Dagger" and "Vanguard" fly at speeds from 3 to 6,5 km / s (according to GDP). There is an ambush in how to achieve such speed and maintain the electronics. Plus, with the heavy weight of the projectile launched, it will simply tear off the gun from the carriage and take the installation to hell. Therefore, it turns out that with a mass of a projectile launched in a few grams (exaggerated), the installation resembles the dimensions of a car. It seems to me that this is not only due to imperfection of technology, but simply stupid in that it is necessary to extinguish returns. Here is the inability to shoot beyond the horizon with an unguided projectile. Ie only a direct shot. Over a large distance, the slightest error will lead the projectile to the side. The problem has long been partially solved with the help of a larger number of shots. Here again, an ambush .... Given that a direct shot at a great distance is possible only in the air, and a motionless (inactive) at a great distance (where the shot is guaranteed to fall) the overall target only comes to mind in the form of an airship, it becomes sad. repeat
    Ps do not judge strictly - not an expert, I'm trying to figure it out.
    1. myrzilka
      myrzilka 18 March 2018 12: 31
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      Quote: S_Baykala
      There is an ambush in how to achieve such speed and save electronics.

      There, the speed increases exponentially, in the railgun shells an explosive increase in speed - that is, immediately from 0 to more than 3 km / s. Electronics can not withstand instantaneous acceleration (the same gyroscope, even a laser), but translational acceleration can do it.
  18. Siberian54
    Siberian54 18 March 2018 09: 53
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    Quote: silberwolf88
    (I don’t know why I really need it)

    the railgun is still a purely anti-satellite weapon — destroying an object at a distance of 20,000-50,000 km is much cheaper than a reactive carrier
    1. astepanov
      astepanov April 9 2018 20: 23
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      Are you out of your mind? Didn’t you try to count?
  19. konstantin68
    konstantin68 18 March 2018 10: 08
    +2
    Quote: Horon
    Try using a 125 mm tungsten crowbar under such a distance and the effect will not be much smaller! Only this is already there and has been tested many times and most importantly - it charges much faster.

    It remains with this "crowbar" to aim and hit the target precisely. The smallest.
  20. konstantin68
    konstantin68 18 March 2018 10: 11
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    With huge. The M155 Excalibur serial 982 mm projectile has both GPS and inertial.
    And laser guidance is now being built into it.
    By the way, they are going to shoot this crowbar from the railgun and from field howitzers. With a powder charge. The crowbar turned out successful.

    The price of a shot is 500-800 thousand $. Okay so. And with KVO there is not everything in order.