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Britain could get a newcomer poisonous substance from the US

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The UK could have received the “Novice” toxic substance from representatives of American companies that were involved in the liquidation of a Soviet chemical enterprise located in Uzbekistan at the beginning of 90’s, Interfax Post Deputy Head of the Duma Committee on International Affairs Alexei Chepa.




At the beginning of 90, specialized American companies disposed of a plant in Nukus (Uzbekistan), where this chemical weapon ("Newbie"). Americans had access not only to technology, but also had access to the development itself. In all likelihood, their NATO partners from the UK also had access to this,
told Chepa.

He stressed that this was exactly the enterprise “which was produced by Novice in the Soviet Union”.

That is, they got access to technology and samples of this substance,
added the deputy.

He noted that the support of the United States and Great Britain from the European partners of NATO on this issue "once again underlines the bias, the baselessness of the accusations", which the British leadership addresses to Russia today.

We had no motivation to poison this person, we were absolutely calm about this person, he was not interested in us,
said Chepa.

He said that Skrypal’s relatives had been treated in Russia.

If he were a threat to us, then they (relatives) would never, under any circumstances, go to Russia, it’s like two and two for any special service,
noted parliamentarian.

In addition, in his opinion, the citizens of Britain were intimidated by photographs from the poisoning site of the ex-colonel in Salisbury, and the pictures resemble a staging.

A huge number of photos, where specialists are in crazy Martian costumes, and everything is so scary, so intimidated British citizens with these bright yellow coats. But it is clear that in the 10 meters there are completely unprotected citizens. This is a circus, this is not the work of the special services, this is not the work of the troops against chemical defense, they do not work with toxic substances. These are all staged acts.
Chep's tale.

He also noted that all this hype is very similar to the staged himataki in Syria.

Recall that 14 in March, British Prime Minister Theresa May, accused Russia of involvement in the poisoning of ex-colonel of the GRU Sergey Skripal and his daughter Julia in Salisbury. Moscow called this statement an “unsubstantiated provocation.”
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 March 2018 14: 48
    +6
    They did it themselves, all the more so when British scientists were able to think with their heads and work with their hands, not like modern unconventionally oriented degeneres and Russophobes.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 16 March 2018 14: 49
      +13
      There is an INTERESTING detail in the story of Skripal poisoning, which the British media chose not to mention, but which experts pay attention to. Namely.
      Noteworthy is the village itself, where Skripal was poisoned.

      Former GRU officer Sergei Skripal was poisoned in Salisbury, where the Chemical Weapons Protection Center will be located. Moreover, they will place it on the territory of an existing base - namely, the Laboratory for Scientific and Technical Defense Research (DSTL) - of a military institution.
      This laboratory is more than 100 years old - it has existed since the WWI - and it is also located next to Salisbury, on the territory of the Porton Down defense research park. The Porton Down base itself enjoys ominous fame.
      It was in this "Porton Down" that the British developed the Neg. things in VX. Created near Salisbury neg. in VX, by analogy with Novichok, it was the "progenitor" of a whole class of poisonous substances, to which the Novikov family belonged.
      VX was the "progenitor" of a whole class of toxic substances, which were then transferred to the Americans, and they already took it into service.
      Experts believe that Porton Down may be involved in the organization of Skripal poisoning, especially since the center itself later engaged in the analysis of the substance with which the defector was poisoned.
      At the same time, experts draw attention to the fact that Skripal and his daughter still did not die immediately from the poisoning, as it should have been, and for a week doctors have been saving them with injections with an antidote. And for this, doctors needed to know the tests to determine this OM, and which antidote should correspond to it. Otherwise, they could not decipher the structure of OM so quickly.

      Simply put, experts believe that the British themselves poisoned Skripal. Moreover, experts believe that Scrapali was not poisoned by the "Novice", but neg. substance VX.
      If this is not a provocative SCENE at all for manipulating public consciousness by members of the May cabinet.
      Therefore, the world will never receive any evidence of Russia's participation allegedly in the poisoning of the Skripals!
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 16 March 2018 14: 59
        +6
        Quote: Tatiana
        Therefore, the world will never receive any evidence of Russia's participation allegedly in the poisoning of the Skripals!

        In Russia, the veterans of the NKVD, the MGB, the KGB, who worked at the time when the USSR really eliminated its enemies abroad, and abducted some directly from Paris, still live. Then the knights of the cloak and dagger were killed in various ways, someone was an ice ax, someone was given exploding candies, someone was sprayed with poison in the face, and someone was shot. The main feature is that no one could ever prove that this was the work of the Soviet special services. And here, well, no continuity, laughing . So many traces, maybe the Zimbawa intelligence services and Somalia’s foreign intelligence can leave behind!
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 16 March 2018 15: 07
          +5
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: Tatiana
          Therefore, the world will never receive any evidence of Russia's participation allegedly in the poisoning of the Skripals!
          So many traces, maybe the Zimbawa intelligence services and Somalia’s foreign intelligence can leave behind!

          The fact of the matter is that no Russian traces in the form of evidence from May were presented to the world!

          Therefore, Sergei Lavrov correctly said that in Britain "the presumption of innocence of Russia has been replaced by the presumption of GUILTY."
          1. Mengad
            Mengad 16 March 2018 15: 34
            +1
            Yes, indeed ... indirect evidence ... points to Russia, and based on these indirect evidence, the UK makes statements. And what Russia does in its defense * She shouts: ,, it's not us !, and ,, We are not to blame and you all went to hell ?, Could you steal the formula? Could ... So what's the problem? If you could create an investigation team together with the UK and carry out investigations, and that would be perfectly normal and adequate to prove your innocence and to find a source that has a formidable weapon, and what would avoid further problems? Is there no need to remind about the Litvinenko affair? The behavior of the government of the Russian Federation at this event causes me at least bewilderment ... and maximum ... suspicion ... of involvement in this case .
            1. Horon
              Horon 16 March 2018 15: 47
              +6
              Russia was refused the creation of a joint investigation team and was not allowed to investigate in any form - what are you talking about?
              Great Britain makes statements. And what Russia does in its defense * It screams: ,, it’s not us !, and ,, We are not to blame and you all went to hell ?, Could steal the formula? Could ... So what problem? If you could create an investigation team together with the UK and conduct investigations, and that would be quite normal and adequate to prove your innocence
            2. Cook
              Cook 16 March 2018 16: 00
              +3
              Does the UK cooperate with Russia, which offers a joint investigation? Read more about the case. The Russian Federation is accused of using WMD in the UK, such cases, in accordance with the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, are investigated according to certain procedures, with the mandatory participation of the country they suspect. Is Russia somewhere refused to participate in this? Instead, some tantrums through the media, with complete ignoring of the arguments of the accused. As for the case of Litvinenko in general, where is the evidence?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 16 March 2018 17: 14
                +1
                Mengad
                No need to remind about Litvinenko’s case?

                Litvinenko was generally ordered by Berezovsky for personal reasons, because he, according to Berezovsky, wanted him to pay high lifetime remuneration for his services to the oligarch and stood up against him. But Litvinenko Berezovsky was no longer especially needed in London and just so contain Litvinenko Berezovsky very redneck. That's all.

                For example, I had records of telephone conversations of Litvinenko (they were in the public domain) with his complaints that Berezovsky reduced his monthly salary in London for his maintenance. Litvinenko was very offended and angry with him for this, because for the sake of Berezovsky, having agreed to his generous promises, Litvinenko resigned from the Russian special services and moved with him to live in London. Therefore, Litvinenko began to think about returning to Russia to Russian service. But this is precisely what Berezovsky was even very undesirable.
                At the same time, Litvinenko himself was nothing special as an employee for the Russian special services.

                So, between Litvinenko and Berezovsky there was a trivial squabble between the unsinkable oligarch with extensive connections and the dark past and his hired employee-guard, who began to be “brought in” with the requirements for the employer to pay an acceptable salary, which he had promised him earlier.
                1. Mengad
                  Mengad 17 March 2018 09: 22
                  +1
                  But then Berezovsky’s conscience seized, and he strangled himself in the bathroom? Are you serious?
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 17 March 2018 09: 55
                    +1
                    Mengad
                    And then Berezovsky’s conscience seized, and he strangled himself in the bathroom? Are you seriously?

                    Did Berezovsky have a conscience? Well, maybe "was / was not" = 50 / 50, but most likely it is unlikely. But the painful conceit about himself was and his bankruptcy would be difficult for him to bear.
                    As for conscience, Berezovsky, back in Moscow at the EBN, opened receptions for his “associates” and conducted wiretapping and audio recordings of their conversations, including by telephone, in order to capture business management and blackmail them. I also listened to these records (they were also in the public domain). You can imagine how many personal enemies he made at the same time and why he needed experienced guards for dirty things, like the greedy Litvinenko.
                    Litvinenko himself for the special services did not represent anything special from himself, as an employee. He applied for dismissal - and he was calmly released on all four sides.
            3. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 16 March 2018 17: 49
              +3
              Quote: Mengad
              Yes, indeed ... indirect evidence ... points to Russia, and based on these indirect evidence, the UK makes statements. And what Russia does in its defense * She shouts: ,, it's not us !, and ,, We are not to blame and you all went to hell ?, Could you steal the formula? Could ... So what's the problem? If you could create an investigation team together with the UK and carry out investigations, and that would be perfectly normal and adequate to prove your innocence and to find a source that has a formidable weapon, and what would avoid further problems? Is there no need to remind about the Litvinenko affair? The behavior of the government of the Russian Federation at this event causes me at least bewilderment ... and maximum ... suspicion ... of involvement in this case .

              You are not careful. Russia just offered to conduct a joint investigation. Russia requested samples of the detected OM. Only now London refused everything and decided everything ahead of schedule, without conducting expert examinations and generally investigating as such. I won’t be surprised if this Skripal and his daughter are stupidly treating diarrhea (they learn the text) and did not die to this day just because they would play the second part of the play. In the second act there will be - Type poisoners "came to their senses" and gave to the camera everything that they "remembered", and after that they already died, with a sense of accomplishment .... Well, what they "remembered" and voiced on camera, it will directly point to the "correct" executor of the attempt, whose image is so necessary to Teresa and Co.
            4. Mikhail Zubkov
              Mikhail Zubkov 16 March 2018 21: 12
              +2
              Trollik, are you from Merkeldorf? Everything is clear to us with these "purely English murders." It’s you, Westerners, who stir up provocations to defame us - and we QUIETLY answer that you shouldn’t bring your crimes to us in vain, you work as amateurs and messes of the information war. Education and logic are not enough for you. But there is enough money for corrupt magazine and trolls like you, what to do, you have money, we have been robbed through traitors like Berezovsky, Litvinenko and Skripal. Now they themselves are ruining these geeks. Which will be proven by history.
              1. Mengad
                Mengad 17 March 2018 09: 14
                +1
                Trolls?)) I’ll just tell you ... What Squeaked .. Berezovsky ... and Litvinenko is the product of YOUR system! You made them like that and not the West! And you blame others. And the geeks are yours, not the West.
                1. Dead duck
                  Dead duck 17 March 2018 11: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Mengad
                  I’ll just tell you ... What they Squeaked .. Berezovsky ... and Litvinenko is a product of YOUR system!

                  What is yours?! ...
                  Such "peppers" are absolutely everywhere and in any system!
            5. MMX
              MMX 17 March 2018 05: 33
              +1
              Quote: Mengad
              Yes, indeed ... indirect evidence ... points to Russia, and based on these indirect evidence, the UK makes statements. And what Russia does in its defense * She shouts: ,, it's not us !, and ,, We are not to blame and you all went to hell ?, Could you steal the formula? Could ... So what's the problem? If you could create an investigation team together with the UK and carry out investigations, and that would be perfectly normal and adequate to prove your innocence and to find a source that has a formidable weapon, and what would avoid further problems? Is there no need to remind about the Litvinenko affair? The behavior of the government of the Russian Federation at this event causes me at least bewilderment ... and maximum ... suspicion ... of involvement in this case .


              1. They refused to create a joint investigative team. Therefore, your argument is by.
              2. The question of who poisoned Litvinenko is still an open question (hello to the gallant British law enforcement officers). No sanctions towards the Russian Federation then followed.
              3. The development of the situation just indicates that Russia is not in business here, because:
              “Why was Skripal killed just now, when they could have beaten him when he was with us and sat behind espionage?”
              - why kill Skripal in such a flashy way ??? There are thousands of methods to kill the enemy (in the end, you could just beat him with a brick, etc.), but no, the poisonous substance created in the USSR is chosen ...
              4. Rapid prepared reaction of the British (including the definition of a substance).
              Everything indicates that the Russian Federation is not related to poisoning and there is a planned action against our country.
        2. japs
          japs 16 March 2018 15: 53
          +1
          It seems to me, Mr. Tersky, that you are somewhat mistaken, the special service of Somalia or Zimbabwe, these are specialists of the highest level, compared with the suckers from Mi 5, 6, etc.
          It amazes me why this traitor was not trapped in the dining room of this chemical laboratory in Salisbury. This would be extremely economical for the budget for transportation costs and
          etc. And the accusation of the Russians is understandable, because judging by the British press, Russian spies walk around the country in droves, with vodka, with Belomor in their teeth and a chain bear.
          I’ll keep silent about the budenovka and quilted jacket, this goes without saying.
        3. Dedall
          Dedall 16 March 2018 18: 48
          +1
          Dear Tersky, and you recall how the supposedly special forces allegedly attacked Chubais. And in my opinion, more than once. So, if they wanted to “in kind”, then Chubik’s guards would not have noticed how they got “two hundredth”. So with this popcorn the same story in all its glory.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 16 March 2018 15: 04
        +1
        The life of the "poisoned" now completely depends on how the further political situation develops. For the purposes of their hospitalization, the "Novice" was hardly used. winked
      3. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 16 March 2018 15: 06
        +1
        Similar articles should begin with words such as: - "If only we assume that OV was a Beginner." And so this is already an attempt to justify itself, even for abstract rhetoric does not pull ... And all this from the deputy head of the Duma committee, why?
      4. Dead duck
        Dead duck 17 March 2018 11: 35
        +2
        Everything was simpler ... and there is no need to "fence gardens"
    2. For example
      For example 16 March 2018 14: 51
      +3
      To poison people are European values. You and your shit don't bother us.


      If a Russian man cracks an ice ax, he will stick it in his head. So that there would be no doubt as a result.
    3. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 16 March 2018 14: 53
      +2
      Only no one cares. The main howl to the whole planet has been raised, and the media will complete the rest.
      If there they were very worried about evidence, argumentation and other crap, they would not have done this operation so clumsy. Here, we, as a whole VO community, will develop and plan a much more thoughtful operation per day.
      As old Denzel Washington said about his media: “Now it’s more important who will be the first to present the material, and not the one who will be honest.” The quote is not accurate.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 16 March 2018 21: 07
        0
        N-yes ... these arrogant Saxons have already gotten drunk. This can be seen with the naked eye. Oh-ho, how will it end? Probably you can’t do without a big fraud ...
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 16 March 2018 22: 24
          0
          This is their normal condition. They have been working like this for centuries. It’s time to get used to it and be prepared for it.
          The big flywheel will not happen only if we are all very lucky. But everything goes to her, to the fraudster.
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 16 March 2018 14: 50
    +4
    Whack, whack, whack - take the prepared one! Who's new? Who's new? laughing great song, Mironov performed.
  3. Dreamboat
    Dreamboat 16 March 2018 14: 50
    +2
    Yes, the hedgehog is clearly a provocation. All were waiting for them from the "partners" on the eve of the election.
    They did not expect such clumsy and cheap.
  4. dog breeder
    dog breeder 16 March 2018 14: 50
    +2
    Skripal's death is indicative. As one respected man said, it is better to be shot for loyalty than a hanged man for betrayal.
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 16 March 2018 14: 52
    +2
    What the expert in chemistry said - The fact that in the 90s the United States simply "lived" in all the main institutions and industries of the country, especially in the former Soviet republics. So what did they take away from there what documents they read? What was in these endless Mercedes on the way to the airfield? - No one knows!!!!!
  6. helmi8
    helmi8 16 March 2018 14: 54
    +3
    But it is clear that at 10 meters there are completely unprotected citizens. This is a circus, this is not the work of the special services, this is not the work of the chemical defense forces, they don’t work with toxic substances. These are all staged acts,
    Chep's tale.

    White Helmet Methods. Diligent students ... The hope that a ride in Syria - and a ride here. Db ...
  7. Going
    Going 16 March 2018 14: 56
    +2
    He also noted that all this hype is very similar to the staged himataki in Syria.


    Soon everything will become clear.
    1. prior
      prior 16 March 2018 15: 04
      +2
      It will become clear after the radioactive ash settles over the British Isles .....
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 16 March 2018 15: 00
    +4
    All reasonable arguments in this matter are uninteresting to the British, their goal is to raise a wave ... Here’s a specific compromising evidence on the connection of Western intelligence services and the use of chemical weapons to throw out documents and records - that would be the case and make them switch from inciting hysteria to excuses ...
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 16 March 2018 15: 23
      +3
      Here is a concrete compromising evidence on the connection of Western intelligence agencies and the use of chemical weapons to dump with documents and records - that would be the case and would make them switch from inciting hysteria to excuses ...

      It would be cool of course. But you see, they simply won’t listen, perceive, broadcast such data, they just slam the door and close their ears and start yelling about Russian hackers.
      It’s just that the situation has really come to a standstill. And Russia is trying to speak with the deaf. I FIG knows what this will lead to. request
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 16 March 2018 15: 30
        +5
        But you see, they simply won’t listen, perceive, broadcast such data on
        And what for us their broadcast by their media? You can arrange a large-scale “presentation” on your site or at the UN Security Council. They will be forced to see, even if you don’t invite journalists at all .. The main status of a “presenter” and topic will then spread without a scribble on the Internet and raise a wave ..
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  10. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 16 March 2018 15: 07
    +3
    He also noted that all this hype is very similar to the staged himataki in Syria.
    And not only when the United States ends arguments in a dispute (Iraq, Libya, Syria, now the Russian Federation), they start a song about Chemical Weapons. What do you mean, they didn’t destroy their stocks, since there is no money belay By the way, one president is not "dead", they also poisoned ... The school is the same belay
  11. flicker
    flicker 16 March 2018 15: 13
    +2
    A huge number of photos, where specialists are in crazy Martian costumes, and everything is so scary, so intimidated British citizens with these bright yellow coats. But it is clear that in the 10 meters there are completely unprotected citizens. This is a circus, this is not the work of the special services, this is not the work of the troops against chemical defense, they do not work with toxic substances. These are all staged acts.
    It is believed that the real people, this is the English people, they say, hawala everything.
  12. Masya masya
    Masya masya 16 March 2018 15: 14
    +6
    all this hype is very reminiscent of staged chemical attacks in Syria.

    the screenwriter is one ...
    1. japs
      japs 16 March 2018 16: 02
      +2
      The training manual is one for all ... Why bother yourself with the intricacies of the script, the western people grab this bullshit for a sweet soul.
  13. Victorio
    Victorio 16 March 2018 15: 36
    0
    the position of the defendant is obviously losing, so all this will be repeated
  14. Dormidont
    Dormidont 16 March 2018 15: 48
    0
    Do not discount our Middle Eastern partners
  15. mavrus
    mavrus 16 March 2018 15: 49
    0
    If we take into account that in the USSR, dealing with Vx gases, they did not carry out the work called "beginner" ... And the name itself was invented by two chemists who fled to the USA, and gave interviews right and left there, for the sake of PR ... We can assume that the American novice and the English novice will be identical ... But what relation will they have to Russian or even Uzbek Vx - gas? But people pick, the main thing is to crow.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 16 March 2018 16: 45
    +1
    Sewn with white thread, all poisoning from beginning to end. A bunch of strange facts suggests the involvement of special services.
    1 Specific poison was selected specifically, so to speak, with reference to the manufacturer. Although there are millions of poisoning options. This is the work of the special services, so as not to leave traces.
    2 According to the adopted rules, Great Britain had to turn to Russia as the successor of the manufacturer. Instead of this, there was a stir in the media immediately with accusations. The same hand as with the Boeing in the Donbass, handwriting, however.
    3 After the use of BOV, the victims remained alive. This suggests that they used an antidote, but how? To use the antidote, you need to know what exactly is used, so they knew !!! It should be borne in mind that the time of application of the antidote is only about 10 minutes.
    4 We must take into account that fentinyl is a rather specific substance, it has a specific pungent odor. Just pour it into food or spray it doesn’t work, you need a protective suit. So these were capsules. Pour food into a restaurant and no one noticed or felt from the staff?
    5 The staff of the Italian restaurant Zizzi was recommended to wash everything in the hall and wash clothes. But this is not done when using BOV, these are fairy tales for the media. The entire restaurant is filled with a special reagent and disposed of entirely, in a place with the building, as well as the clothes of the staff. The same should be with the earth on the grave of Skripal’s wife, and they took the flowers for analysis and that’s all! Super specialists.
    Across the whole logic of things, there is a deliberate provocation, according to the established tradition, the evidence is secondary. The entire role is given to the media.
  17. Old26
    Old26 16 March 2018 19: 24
    0
    Well, the fact that Britain could get OB from the representatives of the American company is nothing super complicated. It’s only worth it for the deputy to read where "Novichok" was made in the USSR
    Maybe then he would know that in Nukus (Uzbekistan) there was a chemical testing ground, and not a plant for the production of this OM

    Quote: Tatiana
    The former GRU officer Sergei Skripal was poisoned in Salisbury, where the Center for Chemical Weapons Protection will be located. Moreover, they will place it on the territory of an existing base - namely, the Laboratory for Scientific and Technical Defense Research (DSTL) - of a military institution.

    It may very well be. But I was interested in one of these stories. The Britons claim that a tracksuit or something else was impregnated with this poison.
    The suit was saturated with the Novice and no one was hurt? Not at the airport during an inspection, or at home, when Julia probably opened her suitcase? If the costume was saturated with something, it was more likely to be some kind of contact poison, and not a Novice. For the components of a binary weapon, you understand, will not give such a result
  18. iouris
    iouris 16 March 2018 21: 12
    0
    There is no "newbie." The victim is not presented, a citizen of the Russian Federation. The rest is nonsense (do not brush yourself off). Once the provocation has taken place, then there will be a “retaliatory” attack on the infrastructure and citizens of the Russian Federation. This is what we need to prepare for, and not waste energy and resources on aimless PR.
    To be loved again by “civilized countries”, new humpbacks, Yeltsins, Shevarnadze and Trumps are needed.
  19. demo
    demo 16 March 2018 21: 23
    +1
    Lord!
    What did our leaders in the person of the CPSU do.
    How could they let such a country collapse?
    And how did they completely understand the far-reaching consequences?
    So that saxaul grows on their graves !!!!!
  20. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 16 March 2018 21: 36
    0
    Quote: iouris
    There is no "newbie." The victim is not presented, a citizen of the Russian Federation. The rest is nonsense (do not brush yourself off). Once the provocation has taken place, then there will be a “retaliatory” attack on the infrastructure and citizens of the Russian Federation. This is what we need to prepare for, and not waste energy and resources on aimless PR.
    To be loved again by “civilized countries”, new humpbacks, Yeltsins, Shevarnadze and Trumps are needed.

    Thank you, we will somehow live without their perverse "love" - ​​we will be more whole! wink
  21. didra
    didra 16 March 2018 21: 54
    0
    I would like to clarify. And why is everyone discussing the poisoning of the Skripals? As far as I know, none of the representatives of Russia was in the hospital where they are. And there are no photos. In general, there is nothing but speculation and rumor.
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 17 March 2018 11: 24
    0
    Little British crooks. And there is nothing to justify here.