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Rogozin visited Nizhny Tagil, shot from a tank and a gun

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Against the backdrop of armor, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin spoke about the prospects of a new tank "Armata" and the creation in Nizhny Tagil of the main Russian testing center for armored vehicles and shells.


At the end of a two-day visit to the Sverdlovsk region, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the military-industrial complex and defense orders, visited the Uralvagonzavod and the testing ground of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute. The purpose of the visit was to familiarize with the capabilities of modern T-90C and T-90M tanks and discuss the prospects for the development of the landfill.

Having rightly decided that it’s better to see and touch once with your own hands, Dmitry Rogozin decided to personally take a ride on the tanks and shoot some of them. He arrived at the training ground in a special suit of high command personnel and immediately went to the parking area of ​​the vehicle. First, he examined the latest novelty of Uralvagonzavod - the upgraded T-2011CM tank presented at the exhibition Russian Expo Arms - 90.


Two most modern Russian tanks showed Rogozin: the T-90C (left) and the T-90CM (right).


In a suit that was fashionable and convenient for inspecting a tank for top commanders, Rogozin first examined the T-90CM.


With growth in 190, see Rogozin was not easy to get into the tank, but he managed.
Dmitry Rogozin didn’t limit himself to a simple inspection. After hearing the story of designers and tankers, he climbed into the turret of the tank and, as planned by the program of the visit, moved to the landfill for combat shooting. It is worth noting the meticulousness of Rogozin in familiarizing himself with the combat vehicle, after all, Vladimir Putin at the Russian Expo Arms - 2011, who also loves riding on various vehicles, limited himself to inspecting the tank at a demonstration site. It was assumed that, as a gunner, Dmitry Rogozin would make three shots from the main gun of the tank at different targets at different distances.


Having taken the commander's place in the tank turret, Dmitry Rogozin advanced to the firing range.


Rogozin made three shots at different targets, having missed only once - the projectile went several centimeters above the target.


Despite one mistake, Rogozin clearly liked the shooting.
After firing from the T-90CM, the Deputy Prime Minister proceeded to inspect the not so new, but much more massive T-90C tank. This vehicle is mainly shipped abroad; there are few of these tanks in the Russian army. Genshab has repeatedly criticized this car, talking about its non-compliance with modern requirements. It is expected that a massive upgrade of tanks in the Russian army will begin after the creation of a fundamentally new machine based on a single heavy platform "Armata", on the basis of which it is planned to purchase 2300 units. Yesterday, Dmitry Rogozin clarified the timing of a new car.

Dmitry Rogozin, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation:
- We have plans to enter the new universal platform, which will be used to create and tank, and BMP, and a rescue vehicle on the battlefield - this is the Armata scheme. The management of Uralvagonzavod promises to begin the first supplies to the troops from the 2015 year. But our plans are not limited to “Armata” and 15 year, we will plan the prospects for the development of our armored vehicles on 20 – 30 years in advance, taking into account new threats and weaponsthat will be used against modern tanks.



Rogozin carefully examined the T-90C.


First, the Deputy Prime Minister tried on himself the role of the driver, sitting in his place. With the growth in 190, see this was not easy.


Relocating to the commanding position, Rogozin went to the training ground to familiarize himself with the driving characteristics of the T-90C.


A pair of circles around the polygon with all the obstacles, except for the famous jump of the 45-ton machine from the springboard.


Then, already from the podium, the deputy prime minister in the company of the plenipotentiary in the Urals Federal District, Kuyvashev and the governor, Misharin, watched the work at the T-90С training ground and the Terminator car.


The firing of the Terminator tank support vehicle, the latest version of which was also demonstrated at the Russian Expo Arms - 2011.
To demonstrate the capabilities of the test site for various weapons, Dmitry Rogozin was offered to make a shot from the MT-12 anti-tank gun, and then showed how to register the parameters of the operation of the ammunition using the equipment developed in the Scientific and Technical Information Institute.


Rogozin made a demo shot from an MT-12 anti-tank gun with 100 mm caliber.
After inspecting the equipment at the Deputy Prime Minister’s site, they were introduced to detailed plans for the development of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute and the concept of creating an educational and demonstration center for weapons and military equipment on its base.


In the pavilion with maps and charts, the director of the Scientific and Research Institute of Teaching and Labor, Rudenko told Dmitry Rogozin about the details of the landfill transformation and development.
At the end of the visit, Dmitry Rogozin announced to journalists plans to create, on the basis of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute, the main and largest Russian testing center for armored vehicles and shells.

Dmitry Rogozin:
- This center will be the main in Russia for testing armored vehicles and ammunition. And it will be the main demonstration center where major international meetings will be held.

Here, our tank builders will train foreign crews for Russian-made tanks, because we have a huge export potential. We will train here those who later become instructors of the armed forces of foreign countries, partnering for us. This is a new direction for us. Soon you will not know this place: hotels, showrooms and all kinds of simulators will grow here.
























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  1. Vanek
    Vanek April 25 2012 07: 57 New
    13
    The armor is strong and our tanks are fast !!!!!!!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 25 2012 08: 19 New
      +5
      laughing All the same, I found a car that Putin didn’t drive .. Yes, he even shot ... What a humorous visit, some kind of fun ... To fuck out of the tank .. Cool ... lol
      If there is talk of new tanks, then why so closely monitor the 90? It is said that Armada is needed as air, export options are no longer the goal for the Russian army ...
      1. esaul
        esaul April 25 2012 08: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        All the same, I found a car on which Putin did not drive .. Yes, he still shot

        Salute, Sasha. Pinned ... good А, в принципе, верно - чтобы знать, чего следует требовать от ВПК, нужно в этом " посидеть и побабахать"! Пусть почаще подобные вояжи совершает и убъёт множество "зайцев" - упрочение популярности, знание "предмета" изутри" (в данном случае - буквально laughing ), lack of physical activity laughing and preparation for larger and more important peaks. good
        1. Trailer
          Trailer April 25 2012 08: 55 New
          +2
          "В модном и удобном для осмотра танка костюме...", - Ну хоть где-то Юдашкин молодец! Мне костюм тоже понравился. Только полнит он его немного. Или это не костюм виноват? А по делу: выше прошла заметка, в которой контракты по Бореям еще не подписаны, а коооогда еще будут подписаны - большой вопрос, ибо, оказывается, производители просто не могут узнать стоимость оборудования для строительства. БРЕД!!! Затраты на оборонку на этот год уже сокращены, новые договоры будут подписаны с опозданием, следовательно, будет начато с опозданием и производство. Отсюда мораль - СМИ делают имидж человеку. А промышленность... вот за нее я болею и желаю ей воостановления... ну и чтобы все цены сразу говорили.
          1. 755962
            755962 April 25 2012 12: 19 New
            +1
            It’s spacious in our tanks and thinks well
            http://pic.twitter.com/3R0sJZPD laughing
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr April 25 2012 14: 09 New
              0
              Quote: 755962
              Our tanks are spacious and well thought out. Http://pic.twitter.com/3R0sJZPD

              А у "Абрамса" что, сильно просторней
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            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr April 25 2012 14: 10 New
              0
              А у "Абрамса" что, сильно просторней ?
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr April 25 2012 15: 14 New
                0
                Дополню. Кадр из фильма "Мегазаводы", ремонт "Абрамса". Башню с клеткой, где помимо оборудования и пушки сидит три члена экипажа видно хорошо. Прикиньте их свободное место исходя из того, что ширина корпуса и нашего и американского корпусов танков практически одинаковы.
      2. Priboi
        Priboi April 25 2012 23: 09 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        It is said that Armada is needed as air, export options are no longer the goal for the Russian army.

        Дааа, Армата, чувствую, будет "что надо" good
        It would be more likely to see her in metal smile
    2. vozn_ser
      vozn_ser April 26 2012 18: 46 New
      +2
      And the priests that our officials and generals have your - do not interfere in tanks! laughing

      I never saw him anywhere. I sat down in a TANK and how I rode a horse !!!
  2. YARY
    YARY April 25 2012 08: 00 New
    +1
    Rogozin's defense ministers!
    1. vadimus
      vadimus April 25 2012 08: 20 New
      +3
      It is necessary to move the anthill, otherwise stagnation with Serdyuk ...
    2. Igor
      Igor April 25 2012 08: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Ardent
      Rogozin's defense ministers!


      But what about me? I also want.
      1. Kamaz
        Kamaz April 25 2012 17: 16 New
        +1

        But what about me? I also want

        Minister of Defense doesn't want you laughing
  3. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim April 25 2012 08: 00 New
    0
    Well done Rogozin, he himself experienced everything and was once again convinced that our tanks are the best in the world!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 25 2012 08: 20 New
      +2
      Maxim, it’s not a test, it’s like I’ve gone to rest ... So you and I can try to send some sort of submarine ... laughing
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim April 25 2012 08: 35 New
        +1
        And I agree! I do not mind BULA laughing Howl to shoot!
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. April 25 2012 09: 02 New
        +5
        domokl

        Факту плюс, но КАК он "пиарится" - жуть и бред. Я с Вами полностью согласен.
        You wrote twice, but apparently it doesn’t reach some that it becomes a SHAME, from a similar presentation of news.

        And the tanks, just - CLASS !!!

        And Rogozin, in this view, is a clown, not smart ... Why? If you want to shoot and ride - come without the media, drive off, shoot yourself, someone will not give ... And so ... I am ashamed of Rogozin ...
        Quote: domokl
        All the same, I found a car that Putin did not drive ..
        1. Vanek
          Vanek April 25 2012 09: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          If you want to shoot and ride - come without the media, drive off, shoot yourself, someone will not give ...


          Что значит "Хочешь пострелять и покататься - приезжай"?
          Что значит "пиариться"?

          - Guys, you do not have much work there, but you will tolerate. It was incumbent to ride and shoot.

          So what? Take a weekend trip to the training ground, right?

          Извините " - "
          1. tiomka
            tiomka April 25 2012 10: 54 New
            +2
            Do you know what PR is?

            ZAM said that if Rogozin had the goal of really understanding the technique, to draw some conclusions for himself (although how can a person who has not worked / served in the realities of tank operation, ride, shoot and listen to the flattery from the duty licks - have an idea about the specifics of modern tanks?), then why arrange from this show with a bunch of cameras and TV? As I understand it, the Kremlin hasn’t changed the PR managers, they use tracing paper from Putin. However, judging by the part of the comments, this is exactly what hamsters-patriots need.
            1. Z.A.M.
              Z.A.M. April 25 2012 12: 01 New
              +1
              tiomka

              You understood me absolutely correctly.
              Мне даже смешно стало, что Вы "буратинам", пытаетесь донести наши с Вами наблюдения клоунады.
              Grateful.
            2. prunx
              prunx April 25 2012 16: 41 New
              -2
              So with such logic as loss it turns out that, for example, the decision on an order for tanks should be made by the most experienced tanker? And who should take the missile into service? Division Operator? Curious symptoms ...
            3. Vanek
              Vanek April 25 2012 17: 07 New
              -3
              Quote: tiomka
              Do you know what PR is?



              Для начала не "ТЫ" , а "ВЫ".

              And only then, I may, and I deem it necessary, to answer something for you.
    2. tiomka
      tiomka April 25 2012 10: 48 New
      +1
      I don’t know how tanks are, but something needs to be done with education.
      1. axmed05
        axmed05 April 25 2012 16: 47 New
        -2
        Quote: tiomka
        to arrange from this show with a bunch of cameras and TV?

        tiomka - I noticed five microphones (of which only Russia and RENTTV have a large audience) and two video cameras, only a hamster could see here - PR managers of the Kremlin.
      2. prunx
        prunx April 25 2012 16: 57 New
        -1
        How cute. This is where, it turns out, those all-knowing professionals, whose place was taken by the vile Rogozin and Serdyukov. Here they are these clowns:tiomka и Z.A.M.. Boo ha ha! It's been a while since I laughed, thanks. winked
  4. Tersky
    Tersky April 25 2012 08: 13 New
    +2
    That's right, we have Russians like, until I touch my hands, I won’t believe my eyes wink
  5. kotmaster
    kotmaster April 25 2012 08: 19 New
    +2
    Could you imagine that Serdyukov would have meticulously studied the business he is involved in? And I can't either! Drive Serdyukov, Rogozin to his post!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 25 2012 09: 03 New
      +1
      fellow I saw a photo of Serdyukov in a tank helmet ... Although maybe your ears just froze at the training ground? lol
      1. Trailer
        Trailer April 25 2012 09: 39 New
        0
        Do not kiss this winter with a tank barrel!
      2. Ziksura
        Ziksura April 25 2012 10: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        I saw a photo of Serdyukov in a tank helmet ...

        I have a very 2 m tall. Therefore, I can imagine how not just Rogozin was in the tank. But here's a picture: Serdyukov crawls into the tank .... laughing bully .
        1. Tersky
          Tersky April 25 2012 10: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Ziksura
          But here's a picture: Serdyukov climbs into the tank .....

          An even more interesting picture would be how to get out drinks
    2. tiomka
      tiomka April 25 2012 10: 59 New
      -1
      that's what was required to prove, the result of PR in action, the students just need to look at the window dressing and they are ready to give any post))

      By the way, why did Rogozin find a fashionable suit, put on ala-amerovskie boots, but could not find glasses without an inscription in English? and here without the machinations of the State Department was not done !! 1
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 25 2012 13: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: tiomka
        from, which was required to prove the result of PR in action, students just need to look at the window dressing

        tiomka, many schoolchildren over fifty are here, but you are from the preschool group of Mr. Navalny, your grandmother-head of the Moscow Art Theater Lyudmila Alekseeva,
        1. tiomka
          tiomka April 25 2012 13: 58 New
          -1
          Maybe many, which does not deny the truth of my statement, because the bulk of the local mass, illiterate, incapable of elementary pragmatism, schoolchildren who have not seen life.
          Yes, and biological age is not an indicator, because there are not a lot of over-age characters, like Serg (or whatever), whose blushed iridescentness causes only a hippocratic desire to treat them, and to begin with a Russian language school course.

          By the way, in order to add color to your black and white attitude, I give free advice, remove the blinkers lending forehead, and you will see that the world consists not only of Putin's sides. Bulk.
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura April 25 2012 15: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: tiomka
            Maybe many, which does not deny the truth of my statement, because the bulk of the local mass, illiterate, incapable of elementary pragmatism, schoolchildren who have not seen life.

            And where did you see life like that? An example from your personal experience is possible? On the monitor judging by the level of your comments.
            Quote: tiomka
            the bulk of the local mass, illiterate, incapable of elementary pragmatism, schoolchildren who have not seen life.

            Such radical statements are characteristic precisely for teenagers. A characteristic manifestation of youthful maximalism as a result of a collision of a psychologically not mature, but peppy growing organism with the surrounding reality at the preimaginal stage of development. And the black and white sensation is just yours.
      2. Ziksura
        Ziksura April 25 2012 14: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: tiomka
        I’ve dressed Ala Amer’s boots,

        And where did you get that? Are Bertsa a purely American invention? Because of the desert color? Standard American tibia black. Himself all service in berets departed. Not otherwise, the State Department was wise.
        Quote: tiomka
        and glasses without an inscription in English

        Это аргумент не из школы. Согласен. Это детский сад. Очки не армейские. Эти "Ультрасоник" Питерского производства в любом строительном магазине или магазине спецодежды валяются за 720- 750 руб. Нет ну на полном серьезе- вы можете представить вицепремьера бегающего по магазинам и выбирающим очки "чтоб без надписи". laughing
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr April 25 2012 15: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Ziksura
          Points are not army ....

          When I served in Hungary, we, the drivers, were given points like those of WWII pilots. The eyes were covered with thick glass (no dust was scratched) + no dust fell under them.
          By the way, to drive a tank without glasses in the summer is not an option at all.
          The glasses were something like these:
        2. Perch_xnumx
          Perch_xnumx April 25 2012 15: 29 New
          -1
          And where did you get that? Are Bertsa a purely American invention? Because of the desert color? Standard American tibia black. Himself all service in berets departed. Not otherwise, the State Department was wise.

          "http://www.cabelas.com/product/Footwear/Mens-Footwear/Mens-Work-Western/Me
          ns-TacticalDuty-Boots-Shoes | / pc / 104797980 / c / 104747580 / sc / 104183280 / i / 103942980 / D
          anner174-TFX-Desert-Boots/721773.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Ffootwear-
          mens-footwear-mens-work-western-mens-tactical-duty-boots-shoes% 2F_% 2FN-1101193% 2
          FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_103942980%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BRCcat104793480%253BRCcat104329080%2
          53Bcat104183280" - такие.
          Desert Tactical Boots.
          And where do they sell such domestic ones.
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura April 25 2012 15: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: Perch_1
            And where do they sell such domestic ones.

            I don’t tell you where they sell. But if there is any doubt that the Russians get used to it, this is the approved CSTO standard.
        3. nnnnnnnnn
          nnnnnnnnn April 25 2012 16: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Ziksura
          Очки не армейские. Эти "Ультрасоник" Питерского производства в любом строительном магазине или магазине спецодежды валяются за 720- 750 руб.

          Вы немного ошиблись коллега "Ультрасоник" слишком дешево, это фирменный горнолыжные очки фирмы" UVEX " минимальная цена 50 евро
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura April 25 2012 17: 12 New
            +5
            Quote: nnnnnnnnn
            Вы немного ошиблись коллега "Ультрасоник" слишком дешево, это фирменный горнолыжные очки фирмы" UVEX "

            "Ультрасоник" это название модели. Производитель питерское представительство " UVEX ".
    3. prunx
      prunx April 25 2012 17: 10 New
      -1
      Возможно я для тебя "Америку открою", если сообщу что министр обороны немножко другими делами занимается! Начальник генштаба - другие задачи решает. Так создается путаница и непонимание. Плюс эффект "испорченного телефона. Поэтому комментарии к статьям, зачастую, обычный профанизм.
  6. Sarus
    Sarus April 25 2012 08: 23 New
    +3
    I agree that such trips should be made by the Minister of Defense.
    Rogozin plus. He’s not sitting in Moscow .. He looks with his own eyes ..
    1. prunx
      prunx April 25 2012 17: 31 New
      -1
      What for? This makes no sense.
  7. Cheburatino
    Cheburatino April 25 2012 08: 25 New
    0
    And the form of the senior command is really fashionable =)
    They shove Rogozin something for the military, can Putin really put him in the Moscow Region?
  8. ZUI
    ZUI April 25 2012 08: 37 New
    11
    Hospadi, what a show ... If a person is not a military man, but an official, why would he shove chickens into a tank for laughter. His task is not to ride a tank in a fashionable sweatshirt and not a motorcycle, but to sit in his office and plow, plow, plow - to provide state defense orders.
    1. vylvyn
      vylvyn April 25 2012 12: 53 New
      +2
      In addition, the sweatshirt and boots are not at all similar to our domestic ones. In Brussels, along the way, they presented, so to speak, for a long memory.
  9. Dust
    Dust April 25 2012 08: 45 New
    10
    To be honest - got these poses!
    Of course, I want to sit in the tank and shoot from the gun, but it’s better to do business ...
    And now, tanks have wider hatches now do? I at one time did not dare to climb - I was afraid to get stuck ...
    That would be a laugh. if Rogozin with his dimensions got stuck in a tower ...
    1. itr
      itr April 25 2012 09: 21 New
      +5
      and its dimensions are more and more
  10. timhelmet
    timhelmet April 25 2012 08: 45 New
    -3
    Give development !!! Russia rules !!! bully
  11. schta
    schta April 25 2012 08: 59 New
    0
    Т-90СМ башней сильно напоминает абрамчика. Может ракурс такой на фотке, хз. Но если посадить меня в окоп и дать рпг, то в ажиотаже я могу и не узнать в нем "своего"... тьфу-тьфу.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer April 25 2012 09: 40 New
      +4
      If you hear the mat, you will find out!
      1. Igor
        Igor April 25 2012 10: 36 New
        -4
        Immediately after the hit.
        1. Trailer
          Trailer April 25 2012 13: 04 New
          0
          Naive! You won’t take our tank with this, for I am a patriot!
  12. wk
    wk April 25 2012 09: 31 New
    +4
    похоже Рогозина назначили "шоуменом" "олимпийским мишкой", .... думаю у вицепремьера по обороне немного другой круг задач.
  13. runway
    runway April 25 2012 09: 34 New
    +5
    Now all the slime dishes should sit in the tank, shoot from the cannon and ride a motorcycle, otherwise the format will fail ....
    Согласен с мнением большинства - Шоу мэн, приехал на шоу, и дал представление. А ГОЗ 2012 уже "горит синим пламенем".
  14. schta
    schta April 25 2012 09: 56 New
    +3
    Это не шоу, это часть пиара. Кто помнит как Медведев, будучи премьером при Путине каждый день по телеку светился? Шоу? Нет, работа "с общественностью".

    Для того чтобы хорошо работать в "конторе", надо знать подноготную всей конторы. А для этого надо "познакомиться" с людьми, попить водочки на природе, на танчиках покататься, пострелять, да.... и между делом решить пару мелких вопросиков, типа строительства атомной подлодки или создания новых автоматов.

    He works. This is his job at this stage. No clowning, everything is thought out.

    He will be the Ministry of Defense.
    1. tiomka
      tiomka April 25 2012 11: 03 New
      -2
      in Russia, the construction of strategic nuclear submarines is solved at the level of Bukhalov in nature? Then it’s clear why the fleet is in such a decline.
      1. schta
        schta April 25 2012 13: 40 New
        +2
        суть не в бухалове, суть в работе с кадрами, в некабинетном влиянии на подчиненных. Вопросы всегда наиэпичнейше сложные. Часть из них не должна решаться в кабинетах, (при секретарях и т.д.), не должна фиксироватсья на бумаге. А такие "бухаловки" помогают более плотно обсудить проблемы, без кривляний, начистоту.
        1. tiomka
          tiomka April 25 2012 14: 06 New
          0
          drunkenness, drunkenness, and the nuclear fleet, a question of strategic importance is the state issue, which is solved through the budget, ministries, state. I think. such issues are not resolved on booze.

          and indeed, it is completely incomprehensible what parallels are between such boozes and the media window dress arranged by Rogozin.
          1. prunx
            prunx April 25 2012 17: 39 New
            -1
            Yes, you must admit that you just ... tiomka. You perfectly understood what you wanted to say.
            schta.
  15. patriot2
    patriot2 April 25 2012 10: 08 New
    +5
    timhelmet,
    This is how decisions are made on the supply of weapons. Only with personal testing by an official with the right to make a decision. Everything would be so in our state! Serdyukov - into a tank and a submarine! Golikov - to the hospital and treated with arbidol! Fursenko - at the exam in computer science or any other subject!
    Immediately everything would fall into place! Rogozin is smart and not a coward!
    1. tiomka
      tiomka April 25 2012 11: 08 New
      +3
      And what is not cowardice?
      For any guy / man it would be a joy to ride a tank and shoot from it, not to mention submarines and aircraft. So he still managed to do it under the spotlights and with a whole journalistic pool.

      Strange, Ustinov never climbed into tanks, this was not reflected in the supply of weapons.

      Here it is. electorate thinking)
      1. prunx
        prunx April 25 2012 17: 59 New
        -1
        Забавно, одни ругают за этот "пиар" Рогозина, другие обвиняют Сердюкова в том, что, дескать он не умеет так работать. Тут половине народа элементарно надо со школьной программой ознакомиться, хотя бы на оценку "три", для начала. И понять, что знания позволяют проникнуть в суть процесса или явления и понять. Этим и сильно было советское образование.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr April 25 2012 19: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: prunx
          ... knowledge allows you to understand the essence of a process or phenomenon and understand .....

          Therefore, it was not necessary for the Minister of Defense in the Army to serve, he already knows everything in theory about the problems and needs of the Army, since he studied well at school ....
          Do I understand correctly?
  16. nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn April 25 2012 10: 13 New
    +2
    Aha PR drove hamsters like Esaul delighted, Rogozin was left to go down in a submarine, fly a fighter, put out a fire, save a drowning man, and forgot to remember to take a picture
    1. tiomka
      tiomka April 25 2012 11: 17 New
      +3
      save the drowning man

      save the drowning amphora *
    2. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx April 25 2012 15: 32 New
      -2
      Stars do not roll bags. The bureaucratic hydra alone cannot be defeated alone, even by two. Maybe Rogozin would like to, but what essentially he can do.
  17. USNik
    USNik April 25 2012 10: 39 New
    +3
    Rogozin is a hammer, instead of going to drink vodka after meetings with the UVZ management, he climbed into the tank (can it really be more difficult to improve comfort?) And drove to the training ground.
  18. fidel2102
    fidel2102 April 25 2012 10: 43 New
    +1
    This is what the Minister of Defense needs, and whoever doesn’t like it, let him write letters of resignation.
  19. Dmitry.V
    Dmitry.V April 25 2012 11: 31 New
    +4
    At first, it seemed to me that this was some kind of democratic marin sitting down, the form honestly caused me just such an association. I would also not refuse to ride in the t-90, but it would be better to monitor the implementation of the GOZ.
  20. Wolkin
    Wolkin April 25 2012 11: 36 New
    +9
    Я долгое время служил в авиации, но был и у меня случай когда и мне пришлось посидеть на месте командира в танке. Проехали мы всего метров 300, я в нем был полным "чайником" (это очень мягко сказано). Могу представить, как себя чувствовал Рогозин. Мое мнение, - это пиар чистой воды. Так можно покатать и все правительство, потом депутатов, потом общественную палату, и т.д. Может быть очередь дойдет и до непосредственно танкистов. А кто нибудь в курсе сколько стоит выстрел из танка в рублях. В мое время одна "Фаланга" стоила чуть побольше Жигулей, плюс 20 минут полета на Ми-24 где то месячная зарплата пилота. При советах, министром обороны назначали профессионального военного который уже прошел все ступени от "солдата до маршала " и "катать" его не было смысла. А сейчас, сначала назначат, а потом показывают куда его назначили. Будущее покажет, но я не вижу существенной разницы между Ивановым, Сердюковым и Рогозиным. Я так думаю, а вы? В чем разница между ними?
  21. rinzhak
    rinzhak April 25 2012 11: 38 New
    0
    the second tank is what parody of the Israeli Merkava?
    By the way, while driving a tank, or maybe a motorcycle, Rogozin set an abrasion on his right eyebrow. Conclusion - you can not be at a military training ground in the protruded position from the hatch smile
  22. Alekseev
    Alekseev April 25 2012 11: 39 New
    +6
    Nevertheless, in order to be a competent person in matters of organizing industrial production, it’s not enough to climb a tank (into an airplane cockpit, a submarine, etc.) once in a lifetime; this service. Head of GBTU (if the managers did not cover him for savings), for example.
    It’s probably good for political PR to get a general idea, but not a fact for the organization of high-quality implementation of state orders.
    Work experience in the field of production, knowledge of the life of the enterprise from the inside, is thought to be necessary.
    Настораживает то, что Д.О.Рогозин, в этой жизни был лишь "представителем элиты общества по рождению", секретарем -референтом и политиком-говоруном.
    Дай Бог, ошибаюсь. Разовьёт он бурную деятельность, ну- ка дружно, ну-ка разом и оборонка "сама пойдет" Ну что ж, "будет жизнь прекрасная", как сказал поэт. drinks
  23. Eugene
    Eugene April 25 2012 11: 43 New
    +3
    And our tanks say close, in which gelding fit laughing
  24. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr April 25 2012 11: 45 New
    +3
    In my opinion, everything is correct:
    the person who oversees the defense industry dangles around the defense enterprises, and not only looks at what is in the papers, but also looks at the equipment itself. Representatives of our Ministry of Defense, mainly at foreign exhibitions, collect noodles on their ears, read advertising leaflets, admire imported ones, loudly scolding their own, spoiling enterprises that trade for export, where there is prestige of the country and money to the state.
    Rogozin, on the other hand, wanders about his enterprises, and no loud statements from him can be heard. And I don’t see a catastrophe in what journalists write about this (positive advertising of domestic military products is not in vain).
    1. tiomka
      tiomka April 25 2012 12: 17 New
      -3
      so what did he look at our equipment, is he a specialist in tank building, or did he personally organize comparative firing / races with modern tanks of other countries? what does he generally understand in tanks to judge them? He is the most ordinary official, from whom the Kremlin PR managers also sculpt politics (at least the future). Man has not really done anything yet, except for the endless waterfall of promises and Putin-style window dressing, but the electorate already sees in him the messiah and savior of Russia.
      данная буффонада - это типичный формат для вечерних новостей Первого Канала, дабы не особо отягощенный прагматичным взглядом пипл (коих большая часть страны), имел зрелища и ощущения того, что вот какие они "живые" и непосредственно крутые, наши гос. мужи, и в танке, и в самолёте, и специализируются на мочении в сортирах...
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr April 25 2012 14: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: tiomka
        u and what did he look at our equipment, is he a specialist in tank building, or did he personally organize comparative firing / races with modern tanks of other countries? what does he generally understand in tanks to judge them? ....

        And what do the generals from the Defense Ministry Makarov, Popovkin understand in technology? however, how much dirt was poured onto our defense industry through the press. It turns out that it’s possible to carry all kinds of crap against industry, but the inspection of industrial facilities without swearing is PR Rogozin’s? I do not see any harm from his pokatushek (I don’t show conversations in the director’s office), but a high official who rolls on his military equipment is an additional advertisement for the equipment (which is not unnecessary in our time).
  25. bazilio
    bazilio April 25 2012 11: 51 New
    0
    Actually, going to the people is a necessary thing, but only when it’s walking and not ostentatious pokatushki in ideal conditions
  26. NIVOVOD
    NIVOVOD April 25 2012 11: 54 New
    +7

    Specialists in tanks, the serious question is what is it in front under the tower?
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 25 2012 12: 24 New
      +1
      Most likely this is a ball joint in which a machine gun is mounted. Similar in shape, though there is a flamethrower nozzle on the TO-55. They found a miraculous tank, Japanese, right. smile
      1. NIVOVOD
        NIVOVOD April 25 2012 12: 30 New
        +2
        This is an Australian Sentinel tank
        1. vylvyn
          vylvyn April 25 2012 13: 08 New
          +2
          Such a thing, and maybe even more, must be put on Armata. On the battlefield, you will immediately see who the man is here. laughing
    2. chukapabra
      chukapabra April 25 2012 19: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: NIVOVOD
      Specialists in tanks, the serious question is what is it in front under the tower?

      Listen, well, a good member, I’d just say a male.
    3. Vitali11
      Vitali11 April 26 2012 17: 34 New
      +1
      The male however.
  27. Prorox
    Prorox April 25 2012 12: 16 New
    +7
    Guys, what’s upsetting me if I had the opportunity to ride and shoot, which of us would refuse (well, except for the tankers and that is the question) we are all big boys, give the toys more and more forward.
    Rogozin abroad dangled not a small work with the general people to discuss, coached by simple Russian communication, now makes up for lost time.
  28. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 April 25 2012 12: 29 New
    +3
    Танки красавцы. Я когда в 11 ТД впервые Т-80У увидел, офигел от радости. Такая махина как "копека" гоняет.
    Rogozin should know what discussions are held by UVZ and the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense. You have to push the defense.
  29. Gamdlislyam
    Gamdlislyam April 25 2012 12: 29 New
    +3
    Yes, my colleagues agree with you, after such a show, respect for high-ranking officials will be lost. what
  30. NIVOVOD
    NIVOVOD April 25 2012 12: 32 New
    +3


    At first I also thought about a sealed ball under a machine gun, but during the war, who will solder?
    1. Dimani
      Dimani April 25 2012 12: 54 New
      +1
      At first I also thought about a sealed ball under a machine gun, but during the war, who will solder?


      this is probably to demoralize the enemy, so that he knows what awaits him in case of defeat ... smile
  31. dred
    dred April 25 2012 12: 41 New
    0
    I am wondering why the T-90M did not buy such a beautiful car.
  32. vylvyn
    vylvyn April 25 2012 12: 49 New
    0
    Первая фотка - "Ну и рожа у тебя, Шарапов"
  33. Nechai
    Nechai April 25 2012 13: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Ziksura
    But here's a picture: Serdyukov crawls into the tank ....

    Да подобное видел. Новый командир взялся за командирскую подготовку по взрослому. В том числе и огневая и вождение. Механики поставили машины на исходную, прибыли то на танкодром в коллоне и по походному сиденья подняты остались. Первая смена - замы и нач. отделов. Нач. отдела боевой подготовки - мужщина под 2метра, с огромным чревом. Общевойсковое заканчивал. А командир предупредил -кто по походному поведёт машину, банан сразу, со всеми вытекающими. Вот сей товарищь всё ж таки "стёк" в отделение управления, люк 72ешный меха закрыл и в перёд. Круп мягко говоря сильно приподнят сиденьем над днищем машины, морда лица втиснута в пузо, на одном уровне с ним и по сторонам от него, расположились колени. А надо же как-то ещё и в тримплекса смотреть и видить. из под шлемака. Вот...Прошёл он кружок по трассе. Остановился на исходной. Вытек из люка. И бросив шлемак на броню заявил:"Я бы этим дуракам - танкистам сразу же Героя Советского Союза давал, за одно то, что они на этих железяках ездят!"
    Quote: rinzhak
    in the extended position from the hatch

    You are right, in the tucked position it is always more pleasant ....
    Quote: NIVOVOD
    At first I also thought about a sealed ball under a machine gun, but during the war, who will solder?

    Tse muzzle flamethrower.
  34. Zlu
    Zlu April 25 2012 13: 11 New
    0
    T-90SM handsome
  35. chukapabra
    chukapabra April 25 2012 15: 37 New
    -1
    It is worth noting Rogozin's meticulousness in familiarizing himself with the combat vehicle, because Vladimir Putin, who also loves to ride various vehicles at the Russian Expo Arms - 2011, limited himself only to inspecting the tank at the demonstration site. It was assumed that as a gunner Dmitry Rogozin would fire three shots from the main gun of the tank at different targets at different distances.

    Back in October 1998, Kim Jong Il visited Tehondan County, Yangando Province, where he instructed to increase potato harvesting. His statement caused a real potato boom in the country. The media began to publish entire lectures on this culture, the benefits of its use and cultivation.

    Probably not right, but something inspired. Sometimes incomprehensible analogies come to mind. Maybe even not quite on the topic.
  36. tariff
    tariff April 25 2012 16: 46 New
    +1
    Yes, I would very much like to grab such a gorgeous shape on a ball and drive it on a modern combat vehicle !!! Not everyone is given crying
    And enlighten, motorcycle, also a new direction in the modernization of the Russian military-industrial complex, have not noticed them in the troops for a long time !?
    1. Horde
      Horde April 25 2012 20: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: tariff
      And enlighten, motorcycle, also a new direction in the modernization of the Russian military-industrial complex, have not noticed them in the troops for a long time !?



      , something like the BMW R75 in our performance, although in general it already sucks the last century, such motorcycles are needed


  37. gfd11120
    gfd11120 April 25 2012 16: 52 New
    0
    And yet, well done Rogozin, not everyone will decide on this, but the fact that the sadina is so without this nor how, all the same, out of habit smile Good luck to him in his not easy business, oh and not easy .....
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 April 27 2012 21: 19 New
      0
      Smary ducks for your praise minus
  38. Isk1984
    Isk1984 April 25 2012 17: 15 New
    +3
    Well, he came and shot, he sat on a motorcycle, and he had to come so for a week there, the result was there by the end of 2012, the troops would receive 1000 terminators and 2000 T-90s (I just needed the soldiers at the moment when she appeared, I left my deputy at the factory , which completely controls how the money was transferred to the account of the enterprise and how the work went ... somehow work should be arranged once all the attention is needed, and it’s so easy to drive and we ... you can handle the budget ...
    1. Horde
      Horde April 25 2012 20: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Isk1984
      but I had to come so for a week; the result was there by the end of 2012, the troops will receive 1000 terminators and 2000 T-90s (they just need the troops at the moment when it appears, I left my deputy at the factory, which completely controls how the money was transferred to the account enterprises and how the work went.


      вы,что уважаемый думаете в СССР живёте? сейчас капитализм поэтому так,приехал, походил гоголем в в ненашей форме, покатался на танчиках ,дал интервью для прессы желательно с умным видом,выпил-закусил,чем бох послал,сорвал аплодисменты у женской части представления потом оставил своего заместителя,который через недельку привезёт шефу мешок "отката".Полмешка в кремль,пол мешка ,пополам с табурекиным и в баню с девчонками -красота.
  39. Great RUSSIA
    Great RUSSIA April 25 2012 20: 29 New
    -1
    all the same, Rogozin is a highly qualified specialist and here most people say that he should be in the presidency, but I think that he does not reach it until that level.
  40. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo April 25 2012 20: 38 New
    0
    What was the motorcycle doing there? The army seems to have abandoned them
  41. Karabin
    Karabin April 25 2012 21: 21 New
    +3
    Against the background of armor, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin

    **** Looks like some kind of funny Winnie the Pooh.
    1. vylvyn
      vylvyn April 25 2012 23: 58 New
      0
      These are such funny Winnie-the-Pooh funny decide now the funny fate of our army
  42. igor67
    igor67 April 26 2012 01: 38 New
    0
    Dmitry Rogozin speaks English, Spanish, Italian, French, Czech. He is a doctor of philosophical sciences. In 1996, at the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University, he defended a dissertation on the topic “The Russian Question and its Impact on National and International Security” for the degree of candidate of philosophical sciences. In 1999, he defended his doctoral dissertation on the topic "Problems of National Security of Russia at the Turn of the XNUMXst Century."

    [edit] My opinion is the future Foreign Minister, if not the Prime Minister, with such data from the Moscow Region is small for him.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 26 2012 19: 59 New
      0
      Maybe MO. After all, Vasily Ivanovich told Petka that he would not be able to command the army of the world proletariat — he was not trained in languages. And here everything is in order. True, Vasily Ivanovich could well command the division ...
  43. deredevil90
    deredevil90 April 26 2012 11: 37 New
    +1
    With PR Rogozin frequent more recently! What is not news, then Rogozin! They just won’t do so much news about one person! So Rogozin is being prepared for a high position! Ignorant Minister of Defense?
  44. Evgeniy8104
    Evgeniy8104 April 26 2012 13: 29 New
    +1
    Rogozin is a little Putin (like the sovereigns).
  45. understudy
    understudy April 26 2012 13: 58 New
    +2
    fellow
    Quote: tariff
    a motorcycle, also a new direction in the modernization of the Russian military-industrial complex, has not noticed them in the troops for a long time !?

    Until the 76th year, they were in the companies of deep reconnaissance of individual reconnaissance battalions.
    А вообще...гнилая показуха. Эти покатушки вельможные уже примелькались.Гранта желтая и музейные амфоры тоже будут в "прейскуранте" завоевания народного обожания?
  46. USNik
    USNik April 26 2012 17: 05 New
    0
    Nevertheless, in order to be a competent person in matters of organizing industrial production, it’s not enough to climb a tank (into an airplane cockpit, a submarine, etc.) once in a lifetime; this service.

    In our history, there was a man who didn’t ride a tank, didn’t sit at the helm of an airplane, didn’t pull a rope for artillery systems, but at the same time he perfectly understood the whole range of armaments and drove designers like scam goats. Remember that one?
  47. rruvimbenrafail
    rruvimbenrafail April 26 2012 21: 00 New
    -1
    After all, Rogozin is a politician, and therefore a pose. And you need to live in politics according to the laws of the genre. With cameras, with PR, in NATO uniform. Well, a politician, then a politician, that he not only promotes himself, but also the structures that he lobbies for. In his case
    ВПК. Вспомним ситуацию с "Бореями", в отличае от Сечина он впервые встал
    to the USC side, i.e. on the side of hard workers (production) and not on the side of generals who do not know what they want. When Admiral Vysotsky chose UDC
    у французов, он спросил у мальчика с макетом "Мистраля" на выставке - "Сколько стоит?". (Конечно не по французки. Не знает языка в отличие от Рогозина). Ошарашенный молодой человек ответил 750000. Высоцкий воскликнул: "Берём три!". Так что теперь наше МО спорит с Военными заводами о цене "Бореев"?. Рогозин прав, когда заступился за оборонку.

    Вообще оказалось, что "Мистраль" стоит не 750000 евро, за миллион. Контракт, то засекретили.
    И если наши генералы-Сердюковцы предложили ОСК сделать для них "Борей"
    такой-то, такой-то "и при это, пусть будет, дороже", это хотя было бы понятно. Но наш генералитет вообще не в состоянии понять, как воевать. Один поступок генерала Хрулёва ( с шашкой наголово на БТРе) о многом говорит.
  48. rruvimbenrafail
    rruvimbenrafail April 26 2012 21: 22 New
    0
    Министерство обороны несколько лет не могло сформировать требования к оборонке по беспилотникам. Деньги давались миллиардами только за "глаза".
    According to the aircraft carriers has not been determined so far. The 400th Air Defense, no rocket. Not because the military-industrial complex will not be able to release them, but because the Moscow region does not know where they are, and how
    use. The complete degradation of military science. In general, all military science is
    уровень полицейских операций и МЧС. И ещё они спорят по стоимости производства "изделий"! Когда Рогозина туда "направили", он понял в какую клоаку он попал. Откаты, "интересы", "хозяева" и т.д. и т.п. И надо отдать ему должное, он хочет в этом разобраться. Он всё-таки патриот. Но то, что его сожрут, несомненно.
  49. 443190
    443190 April 26 2012 22: 19 New
    0
    Here's another super figure for the gun crouched .... shoot. It remains only to space someone from power holding to run for a laugh.
  50. rruvimbenrafail
    rruvimbenrafail April 26 2012 22: 22 New
    -1
    Кстати Рогозин не "власть придержащих" а пока "пешка". А в космос надо
    run Popovkin! No refund ...