The United States transferred to Europe Stryker with a laser installation

The US Army has transferred experimental laser to Europe weapon. The 2 Cavalry Regiment of the US Army, stationed in the town of Vilsekk (Bavaria), received the Stryker MEHEL 2.0 experimental installation, the "Warspot" with reference to the portal armyrecognition.com

The Stryker MEHEL 2.0 armored personnel carrier arrived in Germany after a batch of Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle Dragoon (ICVD) combat vehicles and had already managed to participate in military exercises. The US Department of Defense points out that an experimental laser system will increase air defense capabilities, and will also make it possible to evaluate the capabilities of the Stryker MEHEL 2.0 in European conditions.

The Stryker with a combat laser system is being developed as an auxiliary air defense system and will complement traditional air defense systems. According to the military, the use of a laser instead of missiles will make it possible to cheaply and effectively deal with small drones and other low-flying air objects.

For the first time, the Stryker MEHEL 2.0, developed by General Dynamics Land Systems, was presented at the AUSA 2016 arms exhibition. It was reported that the shown machine is equipped with a full set of tools for detecting and destroying UAVs, including a radar station, an electronic warfare complex, means of identification "friend or foe", as well as a 5 kW laser facility.

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[keeper03]

Yeah - this miracle waffle can only bring down toy airplanes!

[Crowe]

God forbid you to be in the sight of this "waffle". Not all they do is useless toys. Maybe not very effective, but still - a weapon. Moreover, only a prototype. They can bring to mind.

[Graz]

Quote: Crowe

God forbid you to be in the sight of this "waffle". Not all they do is useless toys. Maybe not very effective, but still - a weapon. Moreover, only a prototype. They can bring to mind.

garbage is plastic barely caught fire and in general the flame is almost knocked down by an air stream in the frame, plus like any laser only in cloudless weather, all these are toys

[Cube123]

Quote: Graz

garbage is plastic barely caught fire and in general the flame is almost hit by an air stream in the frame

The physics there is complicated. First, an incoming air flow interferes with surface heating due to heat transfer. But, when the flash point is reached, the plastic itself begins to burn and destroys itself. Then the laser is not required to destroy the material, but only to maintain its independent combustion in the air stream. This greatly (at times) reduces the requirements for laser energy.

[Dreamboat]

This is all fun on a frozen object in clear weather. But in real combat conditions, weapons of destruction (such as ATGMs) fly up very quickly and often along difficult paths, and immediately after the start of the battle, visibility is greatly deteriorated by smoke (including their own shooting), dust, and haze. ... And if somewhere the smoke screen director works, then in general ...
And the efficiency of even a powerful laser will drop dramatically.
So this is a device to bring down "toys". So that all sorts of curious and journalists did not spy on the fighters. ..

[Genry]

Quote: Cube123

But, when the flash point is reached, the plastic itself begins to burn and destroys itself. Then the laser is not required to destroy the material, but only to maintain its independent combustion in the air stream. This greatly (at times) reduces the requirements for laser energy.

And if the UAV is made of non-combustible plastic, heat-resistant composite and painted with reflective paint? For a laser, everything gets worse by three to four orders of magnitude (10 ^ N).

[Cube123]

Quote: Genry

And if the UAV is made of non-combustible plastic, heat-resistant composite and painted with reflective paint? For a laser, everything gets worse by three to four orders of magnitude (10 ^ N).

Such an UAV is much more expensive than polystyrene. I think that now there is simply a search for an effective and cheap method for combating UAVs, costing up to $ 1K. This is also a serious niche. The experience of terrorist attacks with the help of drones at the Russian Khmeimim air base and the logistics point of the Russian Navy in Tartus showed that this is a very real threat.

[Genry]

Quote: Cube123

I think that now there is simply a search for an effective and cheap method for combating UAVs, costing up to $ 1K.

If you are thinking about disposable UAVs, their ideology translates into ordinary simple missiles (with or without the possibility of planning). And laser weapons will require an even greater increase in power ....

[Cube123]

Quote: Genry

Quote: Cube123

I think that now there is simply a search for an effective and cheap method for combating UAVs, costing up to $ 1K.

If you are thinking about disposable UAVs, then their ideology translates into ordinary simple rockets (with or without planning).

This is not true. There are also air reconnaissance UAVs, fire spotters, even, as it turned out, disposable bombers capable of hitting multiple targets in one flight.

[Genry]

Quote: Cube123

This is not true. There are also air reconnaissance UAVs, fire spotters, even, as it turned out, disposable bombers capable of hitting multiple targets in one flight.

Aerial reconnaissance is easier to do on a planning missile, because its task is to scan the surface at different wavelengths (optical and radio ranges) and return (which is preferable in electronic warfare conditions). Fire can be corrected by a parachute system, which can be delivered more quickly only by a missile (for a counter-battery response or an unexpected attack).
And are we talking about full-featured UAVs or crafts up to $ 1000? For example, your one-time bomber should have a carrying capacity and appropriate dimensions to raise navigation and sighting equipment (on a gyro-stabilized platform) and ammunition. Must fly more than 50 km (otherwise why UAV). Moreover, he has already become a major target. And the weight return of such an ashtray will be very low, which is associated with a low speed and a large bearing surface area (compared to a rocket).

[Locksmith]

Quote: Genry

And if the UAV is made of non-combustible plastic, heat-resistant composite and painted with reflective paint? For a laser, everything gets worse by three to four orders of magnitude (10 ^ N).

UAV itself is zero value, its purpose is information, it can be priceless! The laser can easily deprive this advantage of a UAV by simply blinding it.
I often heard a complaint from friends of photographers, after shooting in a night club with a laser show, spots appear on the camera’s matrix, it’s absolutely safe from the laser !!! What to say about a combat laser?

[Genry]

Quote: Locksmith

The laser can easily deprive this advantage of a UAV by simply blinding it.

This is not enough to disrupt functionality.

Quote: Locksmith

after shooting in a night club with a laser show, spots appear on the matrix of the camera, it’s absolutely safe from the laser

What happens to the eyes? After all, organic protein has a lower temperature of destruction and with worse thermal conductivity?

[Locksmith]

Quote: Genry

What happens to the eyes? After all, organic protein has a lower temperature of destruction and with worse thermal conductivity?

The protein is saved by the fact that there are no lenses in front of it that focus on the retina impulse. And yes, you have correctly noticed that a person suffers first of all !!

[Genry]

Quote: Locksmith

Protein saves that in front of it there are no lenses focusing on the retina impulse

Did you skip biology? Or didn’t it pass at all? In front of the retina is the lens, which serves as a focusing lens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcsapZ8eBQ

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Genry

And if the UAV is made of non-combustible plastic, heat-resistant composite and painted with reflective paint?

and mirrors, mirrors hung

[keeper03]

The plastic in the tail caught fire only because there was special processing in this place, otherwise this waffle will not have enough power !!!

[gippernano]

Or they may not finish it. Put back in cider

[dorz]

Flies and mosquitoes to drive the same fit, only expensive.

[g1washntwn]

I don’t see the indignation of Greenpeace and other "green", worried about the threat of a population of Central European sparrow! Immediately petition to the UN!

[tchoni]

Well. While the horse kicks one-two-three-four ... the boy then kicks one-two, one-two ...
While by 2025 we will deploy lasers that have no analogues in the world ... in Europe, half of the strikers, you see they will go with them ...

[bk316]

in Europe, half of the strike, you look will ride with them ...

Yes, at least that's all. What is the power of this laser?
What can he bring down with such power? such and such
100 times already discussed: in order to create an effective mobile ground-based laser weapon, you must first create a compact nuclear reactor - physics friend

[Cube123]

Quote: bk316

Yes, at least that's all. What is the power of this laser?
What can he bring down with such power?

Physics would be good for you. Power called 5 kW. This is not much and does not require a nuclear reactor. Now remember which drones dropped bombs on our base in Syria. Foam body and wings. Do you think it takes a lot to melt it?
https://www.rbc.ru/society/10/01/2018/5a56090b9a7
9472d9d6eb199

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cube123

Physics would be good for you. Power called 5 kW. This is not much and does not require a nuclear reactor.

Physics should be dealt with rather by you. There is a huge difference between the energy that a laser system delivers on a target and the energy that it consumes.

[Cube123]

Quote: Spade

There is a huge difference between the energy that a laser system delivers on a target and the energy that it consumes.

We consider the efficiency of 10%, a 50 kW generator is required. Here is an example of such a generator, only one and a half tons.
http://www.jcbgenerators.ru/catalog/jcb/G65QS/
Fuel consumption is only 15 l / hour.

[okko077]

I agree with Lopatov completely ... Have you seen our promising mobile installation? Its dimensions are impressive .... All air samples of such installations are placed on heavy transport aircraft ... The device under discussion pulls a little more power than a laser rangefinder and target indicator ... This is a fake for dummies, no more ....

[Shahno]

I will tell you so, you are wrong. Although right, too. 30 mv laser can be installed on moder. Eitan's prototype. It is immediately said as one of the air defense systems. That is, the striker got it into the load.

[okko077]

For you, the last phrase in my comment ....

[Cube123]

Quote: okko077

The device under discussion pulls a little more power than a laser rangefinder and a target indicator ... This is a fake for dummies, no more ....

These are technologies that have long reached the amateur level.
"Homemade laser cutting machine"
http://lasers.org.ru/forum/threads/Самодельный-ст
Anochka-for-laser-cutting. 682 /
Read, there are estimates of required capacities. Let me remind you that we are talking about foam drones.

http://www.toppenoplast.ru/rezka-penoplasta/lazer
naya-rezka
http://www.toppenoplast.ru/tseny

[Cube123]

Quote: okko077

I agree with Lopatov completely ... Have you seen our promising mobile installation? Its dimensions are impressive .... All air samples of such installations are placed on heavy transport aircraft ... The device under discussion pulls a little more power than a laser rangefinder and target indicator ... This is a fake for dummies, no more ...

Valery, you forget that progress does not stand still and new technologies allow you to do what was considered impossible yesterday.

I will give only one example, which nevertheless is directly related to the issue under discussion. More recently, in order to get a sharp photo in low light conditions, you had to put the camera on a strong and heavy stable tripod. Now, the same problem is being solved by embedding an optical stabilization system in the lens. The technology is such that such systems are now even embedded in cell cameras. Those. one and the same problem is solved by replacing a heavy and oversized tripod with a light and small-sized optical stabilization system.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cube123

We consider the efficiency of 10%

Add a detection system, add a REP system, add a communication system, add a laser guidance system ...

[Cube123]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Cube123

We consider the efficiency of 10%

Add a detection system, add a REP system, add a communication system, add a laser guidance system ...

For short ranges, all this fits into one kW. Even the kettle will remain. Now, if you turn on the air conditioner, then yes

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

There is a huge difference between the energy that a laser system delivers on a target and the energy that it consumes.

Naturally, a laser, like any device, has its own efficiency. In semiconductor, it can reach 20-25%. Even if you take at least 10%, then this is 50 kW of electric power. Not so much. The generator with associated systems fits perfectly on the Stryker platform. And do not forget that for non-fatal damage to the design of UAVs, for the withdrawal of their reconnaissance equipment, an order of magnitude lower power is sufficient.

[Sadko88]

Enlarged laser pointer on wheels ...

[Archivist Vasya]

Against small drones will fit perfectly.

[Graz]

from the old shilka sense and then there will be more

[gig334]

As a full-fledged anti-aircraft defense, this laser certainly will not work, there is not enough power. This is visible in the video. Airplanes, rockets cannot be destroyed with such a laser, but drones with aliexpress can be shot down.

[san4es]

Quote: gig334

, ... but drones with aliexpress can be shot down.

Jan 2014 year

[gig334]

Quote: san4es

Quote: gig334

, ... but drones with aliexpress can be shot down.

Jan 2014 year

It’s raw, they couldn’t finish it, and the unmanned aerial vehicle that set it on fire flew at low speed and low. He was simply framed under this laser. The video is just an experimental sample, crude and unfinished, they still put it on the plane. I will say more, such a laser was put on a plane in the USSR, the collapse of the USSR slowed down all this.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: gig334

they could not finish it

How do you know? The Americans have already begun to install a laser system on their destroyers.

Quote: gig334

such a laser was put on a plane in the USSR

Now the Americans are putting such a laser on their armored vehicles, but they adopted it 2 years ago.

Quote: gig334

The video is just an experimental sample

Prototypes arrive at the fleet and the army.
PS The first powder guns were inferior to the bow, but over 500 years of mass use became the main weapon.

[gig334]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

Quote: gig334

they could not finish it

How do you know? The Americans have already begun to install a laser system on their destroyers.

Quote: gig334

such a laser was put on a plane in the USSR

Now the Americans are putting such a laser on their armored vehicles, but they adopted it 2 years ago.

Quote: gig334

The video is just an experimental sample

Prototypes arrive at the fleet and the army.
PS The first powder guns were inferior to the bow, but over 500 years of mass use became the main weapon.

When they installed the laser systems, were you personally present? nobody put them, they still have not managed to create a powerful laser that would efficiently and instantly drown, destroy ships, missiles. aircraft. And those lighters that we saw are just toys. And their lasers hit nearby, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY IT AS HOW THEY WILL BE DESTROYED BY SIMPLE GUNS AND ROCKETS. And what for put such a disgrace on ships?

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: gig334

When they installed the laser systems, were you personally present?

Well, what are you doing? Who called the American laser raw and unfinished? No need to get off the topic!

Quote: gig334

And those lighters that we saw are just toys. And their lasers hit nearby, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY IT AS HOW THEY WILL BE DESTROYED BY SIMPLE GUNS AND ROCKETS. And what for put such a disgrace on ships?

Because it’s short-range air defense. You can see from those experts who compare American combat lasers with the P-700 Granite and give out pearls that they are stupid.
The laser is an inexpensive air defense and the Americans conducted its first tests on destroyers in 2013-14. Europeans also laughed at the Turks when they first used cast guns on the battlefield for the first time in the 13th century, by golly you remind me of these Europeans!

[gig334]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

Quote: gig334

When they installed the laser systems, were you personally present?

Well, what are you doing? Who called the American laser raw and unfinished? No need to get off the topic!

Quote: gig334

And those lighters that we saw are just toys. And their lasers hit nearby, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY IT AS HOW THEY WILL BE DESTROYED BY SIMPLE GUNS AND ROCKETS. And what for put such a disgrace on ships?

Because it’s short-range air defense. You can see from those experts who compare American combat lasers with the P-700 Granite and give out pearls that they are stupid.
The laser is an inexpensive air defense and the Americans conducted its first tests on destroyers in 2013-14. Europeans also laughed at the Turks when for the first time in the 13th century they used cast guns on the battlefield, by golly you remind me of these Europeans]

Therefore, you need to read carefully what they write to you, I wrote that these lasers do not hit far, should I repeat this and give me a crush? Don't be dumb anymore. The Americans do not put them on destroyers, because they hit close, there is no sense in them, with such a laser you cannot hit a rocket or even a plane. But scouts to shoot down drones will go for this. And stop shoving your stupid video, clog up the topic. They really did not show anything. They, for the sake of showing off, shot down a drone, that's all they can do. They are weak, do not have the required power. Yes, and lasers are not the basis of air defense, I remind you that the combat units of the Satan rocket are coated with a special alloy that no laser in the world can burn through. Therefore, if someone makes heavy-duty lasers. then all the missiles will begin to be covered with this alloy, both cruise and ballistic (which Russia has already done) Once again I write what the Americans demonstrate has been done in the USSR. And what Putin showed is superior to American lasers in power, so the trailer is decent, there are much more than 5 kW.

[Viktor.12.71]

Do not be rude dog! If you are talking humanly, be kind enough to answer humanly! Dog! Lasers were originally created as air defense and counter electronics of the enemy. Putin said a lot and did little. I don’t see the point of conducting a conversation with the mongrel, go bark in the yard with your own kind.

[san4es]

Quote: gig334

... he is raw ....

... Is there a link to "dampness"? ... I can’t find something ...

[gig334]

Quote: san4es

Quote: gig334

... he is raw ....

... Is there a link to "dampness"? ... I can’t find something ...

Is there a link to mass production of powerful American lasers? now scratch your cheerilushka, as if on a smiley face and think.

[san4es]

... Hamish ... Instead. to fart here

Quote: gig334

.. scratch your cherushilka,

... and show: where are you about ...

mass production of powerful american lasers

saw? .. divorced b ... trollin, nowhere to spit ..

[gig334]

Quote: san4es

... Hamish ... Instead. to fart here

Quote: gig334

.. scratch your cherushilka,

... and show: where are you about ...

mass production of powerful american lasers

saw? .. divorced b ... trollin, nowhere to spit ..

they also think of you with your moronic questions that you are a troll,

[san4es]

Quote: gig334

... that you are a troll

... For every b .... your bunch on the air, like

..he is raw!

there should be facts (link, video. screen, etc.) ... they showed you - and you SHOWN everything with your I ... and there are enough fools without you ...
... Since you are rude - So in the BATH was not - BE

[g1washntwn]

Both goals defiantly self-destruct. Personally, I did not notice any structural damage with such recording quality. The laser only saw the target light.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: gig334

It’s raw, they couldn’t finish it

Americans make lasers based on industrial, welding and machine tools for cutting (cutting) metal. About dampness, as it were, the laser itself does not have to say. Otherwise, they would not be bought or produced.

Quote: gig334

they put it on a plane

they put a completely different laser on the plane, much more powerful

Quote: gig334

raw and unfinished

yeah, baked and ready can only be in Russia (USSR). The laws of physics work differently for us.

[Colonel]

5 kW

Is this a joke?

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Crowe

God forbid you to be in the sight of this "waffle". Not all they do is useless toys. Maybe not very effective, but still - a weapon. Moreover, only a prototype. They can bring to mind.

Do not grind nonsense! This can’t be called a weapon yet ... Just think, they said they sent it ... Will they show it in action?
Yeah ... wait ...
Rewind, not so long ago there was an article about lasers, I laid out in the comments the conclusions of scientific physicists and not only ... I would have laid it out again, but for people like you who believe in Liquid Terminators, Star Wars and Predators, it's worth wasting time ...

[tank66]

Truly I say: chrome will rise in price. And a mirror film.

[Evil 55]

5 kW for a laser-at 500 meters to shoot paper planes? The Russian quantum topographic rangefinder has a power of 5-8 MW with a mass of 15 kg ...

[Cube123]

It is not Watts that destroy, but Joules.

[Shahno]

Here. And now we are reading friendly about femtosecond lasers. The energy in the pulse is small, and the power is large. It is not energy (power) that destroys, but the overcoming of critical parameters. What is unknown to you?

[Voyager]

Maybe I didn’t understand something, but how is the American laser worse than our GDP? I just don’t know his characteristics, and I don’t know ours either. I think like everyone else here, but it’s very strange to watch the exclamations of “Hurray” to our laser, and the strange laughter of a similar enemy laser.

[Mentat]

Explicit bait. This piece is nothing of itself. They brought it to lure the spies. Well, to show the European public, of course, how the United States defends Europe with a superweapon.

[Mentat]

Quote: Voyager

Maybe I didn’t understand something, but how is the American laser worse than our GDP? I just don’t know his characteristics, and I don’t know ours either. I think like everyone else here, but it’s very strange to watch the exclamations of “Hurray” to our laser, and the strange laughter of a similar enemy laser.

If you read carefully, you would not fall into a strange state of nifig of misunderstanding.
The Russian laser is designed for what it is really capable of doing: blinding optics.
The Americans are trying to make air defense out of it.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mentat

Russian laser is designed for ... blinding optics

and that is why he had to allocate a separate semitrailer for the power source? Or is it a new hypostasis of the old sad saying "niche screens are the smallest screens in the world"?
As I understood from what they showed, the Russian laser is at least 6-7 times more powerful. And it’s quite capable of burning a mini-UAV. Those. similar tasks: short-range air defense

[Oleg7700]

Small, 2-5 kW. it’s still well cleared, without explosion, by burning, among other things. Israeli THOR (42 sec. THOR-2 retractable)

[Professor]

Today this papelats was used in military operations in Gaza. The result is positive.

[Palagecha]

They just took it and silently threw it ... And no ads, cartoons ...

[pak1100]

Quote: Palagecha

They just took it and silently threw it ... And no ads, cartoons ...

Before that, the cartoons were shown by the USA for several years. By the way above these videos some trolls pushed in a subject.

[pak1100]

This device is low-power, except for light drones, this laser will not bring anything down. No rockets, no planes. A power of 5 kW is about nothing, very small. Yes, and he hits close, a couple of kilometers. I wonder what kind of laser Russia has, what is the power, I'm talking about new weapons.

[Mentat]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Mentat

Russian laser is designed for ... blinding optics

and that is why he had to allocate a separate semitrailer for the power source? Or is it a new hypostasis of the old sad saying "niche screens are the smallest screens in the world"?
As understood from what was shown, the Russian laser is at least 6-7 times more powerful. And it’s quite capable of burning a mini-UAV. Those. similar tasks: short-range air defense

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Installation is rather a means of "counter-ideological war." The United States is seriously betting on a demonstration of its technological superiority in the military, presenting it as one of the reasons for its leading position in the world. This complex demonstrates that the USA is not ahead of, but lagging behind (as it was during the USSR) in the development of weapons on new physical principles, thus blocking this "argument" of the Americans and even giving it some opposite effect.

[Hiller]

while this is an expensive toy, but ..... "dashing trouble began"

[PavelT]

Well done cavalrymen!
I especially liked the stickers for the downed drones. I think our air defense personnel in Syria also hang similar stickers / drawings on their "Armor" and "Tunguska". Only there they are fighting, not training ...