In Roscosmos called the date of creation of the Russian space station

The head of the Roskosmos state corporation, Igor Komarov, said it was necessary to launch three additional modules on the ISS, which would make the Russian segment of the ISS autonomous by 2021, reports Interfax.

We gave our industry the task to ensure that by the 2021 year, that is, years before the deadline agreed upon by us to work together on the ISS expires, we had the opportunity to separate and work independently in the Russian segment,

Komarov said at the forum "Russia - a land of opportunity."

For this, according to him, “it is necessary to work out and launch new modules”.

Over the next three years, we will finally launch, I hope, three modules that will provide autonomy in terms of energy, engines, communication systems and life support, the operation of the Russian segment,

Komarov added.

He noted that such measures are taken in case “if the partners of the Russian Federation refuse to cooperate on the ISS after 2025 of the year”.

At the same time, we believe, and it is our conviction that working together is much more efficient and better. This is the example when people benefit from mutual cooperation,

said the head of the corporation.

Operation of the ISS was originally planned to complete by 2025 year. They wanted to bring the station out of orbit and flood it in the Pacific Ocean. However, now the countries do not exclude the possibility of extending its work.

Comments

[Crowe]

We gave our industry the task to ensure that by the 2021 year, that is, years before the deadline agreed upon by us to work together on the ISS expires, we had the opportunity to separate and work independently in the Russian segment,

Diversification is good. You need to secure your pigment.

However, we believe, and this is our belief, that working together is much more effective and better. This is an example when they only benefit from mutual cooperation.

Americans do not understand this. They have ambitions over the edge.

[siberalt]

The work of the ISS can be extended until 2028. But there still hangs an empty Chinese ISS, which so far does not even have a name. If anything, we can arrange a lease with them. And we will launch the "modules" there from the rented Baconur Cosmodrome.

[_MaX_]

It was not necessary to drown the World, firstly, it is secondly. Now they would have had their own station. The greatest lie of the 90s is that the World is outdated and must be drowned.

[Cxnumx]

Quote: _MaX_

It was not necessary to drown the World, firstly, it is secondly. Now they would have had their own station. The greatest lie of the 90s is that the World is outdated and must be drowned.

already 2018 - Mir is 100% out of date. they say about the ISS that it’s time to change.

[For example]

Quote: _MaX_

It was not necessary to drown the World, firstly ...

There was no need to overthrow the king.

[Skif83]

Yes ... and "... Komarov said at the forum" Russia is a country of opportunities. " So far, more opportunities than real cases.

[Dedall]

So sure, dear _MaX_! As far as I remember, in order to lift the “World” to another orbit, it was only necessary to invest 300 million. But our Sun-faced always worked out the orders of the State Department. They said to drown - fulfilled. They said that 32 million extra pensioners -
will do.

[sabakina]

Dedall, I heard about the version that a strange mold appeared on the "World". Well, "Mir" and the one burned and flooded.

[Dimontius]

Have a conscience !!!! Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? Enough of mega projects already ... Sochi, the World Cup, Vostochny, the collider, the lunar program with China, this is certainly cool guys. But incomes of individuals fall 4 years. And you won’t raise them with any shining stars! We need a mega project in the economy, jobs in the country - 0! Not all are so smart engineers, scientists, techies. The vast majority of ordinary people, they need work. And not your endless space programs and Izhi with them. Developed for defense now, * opa is covered - it means it's time to slow down!

[Glory1974]

Maybe we’ll double invest in the economy?

this is the investment in the economy

Enough of mega projects

Since last year, trillions of rubles have remained on budget accounts. At least something has been invested in megaprojects. Why should money just lie there?

[ZVO]

Quote: glory1974

Maybe we’ll double invest in the economy?

this is the investment in the economy

Enough of mega projects

Since last year, trillions of rubles have remained on budget accounts. At least something has been invested in megaprojects. Why should money just lie there?

You are replacing concepts.
Our state is precisely burying money, without further development of the economy.

There are 2 ways of "stability" - the first is the scrupulous management of the economy and finance.
The second is a dumb instillation of excess money that does not give any profit in the future. Connected. deferred etc.

Here's an example of road construction.
Is it burying money?
Essentially yes, but ....

Every 5-10 kilometers of the road - there is a gas station.
She employs 5-6 gas station employees.
But the appearance of gas stations - gives work first to the bulldozer, then to the metallurgists that welded the metal, then to the welders that the tanks were welded, then to the electricians that stretched the wires and poles. Then there is congestion (additional) for everything related to the activities of this particular gas station.
Constant demand in people begins to appear.
Let them be few, only 20 people, but this is only with one gas station.
And besides the gas station - there are various cafes, service stations, shops, motels, hotels.

And it turns out that some kind of buried money gives excellent deferred profit ...

The money buried in the Olympics, the World Cup, or such a dodgy and ill-conceived space, not carefully calculated, does not give any deferred profit.
The entire infrastructure of the Olympics is subsidized. it does not and will not give any deferred profit. For a searchlight.
The entire infrastructure of the World Cup will also be subsidized.
What was done in Samara, especially the laying of the tram line to the stadium, which is located on the outskirts of the city 5 kilometers from the nearest houses, is generally the height of cynicism and cut ...

Nothing is being done for the future.

Can anyone at least call me the real and applied advantages for society and the population of space investments in our lives? Points 10 name please.
Such that everyone would understand, it entered our life tightly, we are all residents, we use it.
I'd love to know about this.
I honestly, without sarcasm.

Except Google Maps - I don’t remember this ...

[Dimontius]

Thank you for supporting. I mean the same thing. Speaking of the World Cup, the stadiums really had to be built, I am very happy as a football fan)) Of course, not like the cost of the Zenith arena. But about the tram is tin.

[Dedall]

Dear Dimontius, I would like to ask about the statement about the tram: "Have you ever played Transport Tayson?" If not, I will say that there it was necessary to do the laying of tram tracks from the very beginning, when there are still no houses around. Then it came out much more expensive. And the tram then pulls up the rest of the social sphere. And this is fully evident in the example of Novocherkassk. There, back in the 19th century, the first tram line was built in the south of Russia from the market to the hippodrome. But they did not manage to develop other routes - the city began to grow rapidly in this direction. Only then, already in the 30s, built another ring for the locomotive (then cannon) plant.

[sogdy]

Quote: ZVO

Every 5-10 kilometers of the road - there is a gas station.
She employs 5-6 gas station employees.
But the appearance of gas stations - gives work first to the bulldozer, then to the metallurgists that welded the metal, then to the welders that the tanks were welded, then to the electricians that stretched the wires and poles. Then there is congestion (additional) for everything related to the activities of this particular gas station.
Constant demand in people begins to appear.
Let them be few, only 20 people, but this is only with one gas station.

And according to my calculations - 2,46 people ...
It looks like your numbers are for the city limits, but 10 people aren’t typing there either ...

Quote: ZVO

in fact, laying a tram line to the stadium on the outskirts of the city 5 kilometers from the nearest houses is generally the height of cynicism and cutting ...

Our city consists of three areas, between which there were 10-15 km of swamps. Now these divisions are tracked only by architecture. What are your objections?

[ZVO]

Quote: sogdy

And according to my calculations - 2,46 people ...
It looks like your numbers are for the city limits, but 10 people aren’t typing there either ...

Well, maybe at your gas station and works for 1 person, plus half the owner.
But do you consider the entire service system?
All these
fuel suppliers (with their internal teams) ?,
all merchandisers of related products (all kinds of companies from car oils, tobacco, snacks, drinks, brushes, coal, chewing gum, coffee and rolls) with their teams?
All service companies (electricians, column technicians, tank technicians, TB nicknames, snow plow drivers (who will remove snow in winter), etc.
And the members of their families, who just as indirectly become the income from opening a gas station?

Quote: sogdy

Our city consists of three areas, between which there were 10-15 km of swamps. Now these divisions are tracked only by architecture. What are your objections?

Apparently you do not know how Samara is located.
And what is her general development plan.
There will be no residential quarters around the stadium.

The fact that the tram will run for only 2 weeks is garbage.
Just because. that it is useless.
How many cars are needed to take away at least 10 thousand people-fans?
And they will leave the stadium at once ...
Us what. the whole city for 2 hours to completely leave without cars, try to drive them to the stadium?
10000 fans, this is a minimum of 100 wagons. If they will be hammered like canned herring.
And how long will the train move towards the stop? Landing, landing? 3-4 hours?
Is it only for 10 thousand fans?
And if there will be 20 thousand? Or how was it with us for 30-32 thousand?
How many trams do you need?
300? and loading and unloading of 10 hours in each direction will occur?



Well, yes, only here they could make Novy Urengoy almost the largest city in the world ...
Administratively taken and attached to NUR - Korotchaevo.

Judging by the "swamps" you are from somewhere in Western Siberia,
What has developed there?
Tyumen, Surgut, Khanty, Wartovsk. yes nur a little ...

But everything burst development in these regions.
There will be no further.
The rest is a bubble.
All the same, smarts no longer go to Western Siberia.
For there are no more goodies there.
And there is no future.

[sogdy]

Quote: ZVO

Well, maybe at your gas station and works for 1 person, plus half the owner.
But do you consider the entire service system?
All these
fuel suppliers (with their internal teams) ?,

Yes

Quote: ZVO

Judging by the "swamps" you are from somewhere in Western Siberia,

No

Quote: ZVO

What has developed there?

Nu-nu.

Quote: ZVO

But everything burst development in these regions.
There will be no further.

So there!

Quote: ZVO

All the same, smarts no longer go to Western Siberia.
For there are no more goodies there.
And there is no future.

ZVO, but you did not try to prove that there is no Earth?

[R Anatoly]

sogdy (sogdy) March 16, 2018 - this ZVO (Alex) reminds me of a school cramming. He knows a lot, but understands a little

[sogdy]

Samara aircraft plant number 18 is really dying. And for a long time to come, if Deripaska is not personally interested in them. You understand, with flying heads - these do not shoot.
ZVO - Leading Engineer. Yes, he is offended. We would have fired him for a long time.
His main mistake: automation is ONLY due to a lack of money, and not an excess. And in the factories of Deripaska, this methodological principle is fully traced.
Also, he has something completely wrong with normative calculations. The result is completely inadequate conclusions.
For example, the fans leaving the stadium - ABOUT the city insisted on stretching the crowd, and he needed a quick removal.

[Awaz]

about the roads, the authorities still understood the chip. Over the past three years, the quality of roads has grown significantly. Every summer I make a circle in the Volga region and I will say that not bad roads really appeared. I’ll even say that they’re excellent, considering that they are free. In addition, I periodically visit the EU and also know the quality of their roads. There, on the contrary, there is some degradation in this regard, even in Germany. Although it may be simple, I began to pay attention to it, but still ..
But about the stadiums, I agree. It was nevertheless necessary to force them to build club owners. As I understand it, it seems that the owner of the club in Krasnodar started an awesome stadium at his own expense. And then the authorities will have less bunting and all that ... Well, and I don’t think at all that some benefit will now be from the World Cup. The Sochi Olympics showed that Western tourists do not go to Russia, and after the current treatment, hardly anyone will go. The price of tickets is insane, and everything will go mainly to FIFA. In general, it is a stupid idea to hold major competitions in the country. Unprofitable unambiguously.

[Stiletto_711]

Quote: ZVO

Can anyone at least call me the real and applied advantages for society and the population of space investments in our lives?

A statement at the level of a respected human ancestor. By type: "Can someone name the applied pluses of upright posture? We have a throat on the tree!"

[ZVO]

Quote: Stilett_71

Quote: ZVO

Can anyone at least call me the real and applied advantages for society and the population of space investments in our lives?

A statement at the level of a respected human ancestor. By type: "Can someone name the applied pluses of upright posture? We have a throat on the tree!"

And will there be at least one example in the answer?
Well, what would really come to life? And constantly using?
Well, what did medicine really get?
Well, it’s clear that hundreds of thousands of doctors and dozens of research institutes were allocated for space, but what did ordinary pediatricians or surgeons get in ordinary rural and urban medical institutions? What is included in their working life?

Can some products appear on the shelves?

Has metallurgy become cosmic?
I understand that metallurgy began to make special alloys especially for space - but did they, these special alloys, enter our everyday life firmly?

And so in everything.

Well yes, there is a certain geosounding.
Which is hundreds of times more expensive and just as ineffective as conventional geological surveys ...

Google Maps ... GPS \ Glonass Navigation
and all ???

That's all.

[Stiletto_711]

Quote: ZVO

And will there be at least one example in the answer?

I gave an example, sorry you did not understand.
Some develop and go beyond the usual horizon and habitat, while others remain in place. The difference is the same as that of primates, in the long term, the descendants of the first expose the descendants of the second in the zoo

[ZVO]

Quote: Stilett_71

Quote: ZVO

And will there be at least one example in the answer?

I gave an example, sorry you did not understand.
Some develop and go beyond the usual horizon and habitat, while others remain in place. The difference is the same as that of primates, in the long term, the descendants of the first expose the descendants of the second in the zoo

Well yes. well yes...
pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting on the level of monkeys, and to talk about some kind of high matters,
And that we are of such high quality. we do not understand.

not a friend.
Read Sergei Savelyev. Evolutionist.

like you, there is a very good description there ...

[sogdy]

Quote: ZVO

pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting at the level of monkeys,

What time! Well, this at least explains your mentality.

[ZVO]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: ZVO

pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting at the level of monkeys,

What time! Well, this at least explains your mentality.

Those. you merged again ...
the inability to argue the real facts of use in the areas of public consumption - investment in space - again, reduce to the confrontation between the working cattle and the higher intelligentsia ...

PS
and yes ..
I’m probably still a working bone.
For the past 30 years, he has worked directly or indirectly with the aviation industry and the space industry.
He started at 18 aircraft factory.
Now I have almost 4 higher ones, including and MBA.
Progress, blacksmiths, aircraft, engine builder - I know firsthand ...

But these words do not tell you anything. for you are just an amoeba ...
What Sergey Saveliev speaks of, whose name you ignored ...

[sogdy]

Quote: ZVO

Now I have almost 4 higher ones, including and MBA

I'm sorry. Not sincerely. The old, Soviet "man offended by higher education."

Quote: ZVO

I’m probably still a working bone.

Blue blood, white bone. So what?

Quote: ZVO

What Sergey Saveliev speaks of, whose name you ignored ...

anthropogenesis.ru/review/710/
anthropogenesis.ru/review/851/
Well, you and friends! (c) They obviously discredit you.

[Stiletto_711]

Quote: ZVO

pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting on the level of monkeys, and to talk about some kind of high matters,

I have more interesting activities than to humiliate you, and as the classic used to say: "There is nothing in the world that could humiliate a person if he himself does not succumb to humiliation."

Quote: ZVO

And that we are of such high quality. we do not understand

I am deeply purple that you (are you many there? ) there you understand or do not understand. You asked what is the use of space, I replied that at this stage it would not help to eat sweeter and sleep softer, but the development of this branch of human activity in the future can bear the same fruits as the transition of primates to upright posture, i.e. comprehensive and quality changes by orders of magnitude

Quote: ZVO

My friend.

And yes, remember for the future, you are not my friend, I adhere to the rule in this regard: "Choose your friends carefully, and the enemies will choose you yourself"

[sogdy]

Quote: ZVO

Well, what would really come to life? And constantly using?
Well, what did medicine really get?
Well, it’s clear that hundreds of thousands of doctors and dozens of research institutes were allocated for space, but what did ordinary pediatricians or surgeons get in ordinary rural and urban medical institutions? What is included in their working life?

Let's start with teflon, hammer coating, titanium and beryllium alloys.
"Systems" has long been from Teflon. A surgical instrument from 40X13 is a classic, but after an hour of work the hands fall off. Disposable syringe needles. Etc.
Therapy (especially for children) - where did all the latest developments on the device and adjustment of the body come from?
The chemistry of hydrocarbons - alas, the existing and used developments were initially not needed for the national economy.
But what about "how long ago" - the development of Kibalchich and Tsiolkovsky was to the really existing Strela project. (Like the works of Bebage and Turing - to real devices).

[Glory1974]

can anyone at least name the advantages of space investments in our lives that are real and applied to society and the population? Name 10 pliz.

Only on a vskidka from a network:
1. satellite television
2. communication
3. based on information from space weather forecasts.
4 from satellite photos of the spread of forest fires and other natural disasters.
5. space positioning systems that are used by airplanes, ships, cars and tourists.
6. at the beginning of the twenty-first century, even private space exploration began. As you know, in 2001, the very first space tourist named Dennis Tito went into orbit.
7. We consider plans for the extraction of useful resources on the moon and various asteroids. For example, this is helium-3. Since it does not exist on Earth, and on the Moon it is present in abundance A helium-3, at the same time, is almost an ideal fuel for thermonuclear energy.
8. The medicine:
Computer tomographs
• Magnetic resonance imaging
• Equipment for hemodialysis
• Defibrillators
• Artificial heart (This is perhaps one of the most “burning” examples of the terrestrial utility of space technology. This artificial heart model was jointly developed by world-famous American surgeon Michael DeBakey and Johnson Space Center engineer David Socier. The design was based on a turbopump assembly design shuttle main engine).
• Tele-robot surgeon of the type "Da Vinci"
• Apparatus for physiotherapy
• Positron emission tomographs
• Microwave receivers for early detection of breast cancer
• Equipment for cardioangiography
• Monitors for the study of neural activity of the brain
• Procedures and methods for operating room sterilization
• Portable x-ray machines for examination of newborns
• Individual breathing apparatus for firefighters
• Sensors for monitoring harmful impurities in the air
• Food quality control system, which reduced the risk of salmonella infection by two orders of magnitude
9. Liferafts for aircraft and ships
10. Ballistic rescue parachutes for light aircraft
11. Cooling suits to relieve phantom pain, as well as for people who have suffered a spinal or sports injury, or for patients with multiple sclerosis
12. Orthopedic mattresses and pillows with "memory"
13. Water filters
14. Technology of preservation of products by dry freezing
15. Wireless Appliances
16. Insulation systems
17. Solar panels
18. Special materials for the manufacture of clothing for swimmers, divers, workers engaged in hazardous work
19. Teflon coated fiberglass for roofs
20. A multispectral method for reading ancient Roman manuscripts that are burnt and damaged by the ashes of Vesuvius
21. Creating heat-resistant building structures
22. Using closed-loop and recycled technologies
23. Express analysis of the air atmosphere in mines, mines and quarries based on methods for analyzing the atmosphere of residential and working spaces of spacecraft and orbital stations
24. Special materials with properties obtained only in zero gravity

[mac789]

Or maybe it’s better to impose a special tax on the oligarchs on the ISS ... Well, or better, we’ll dispossess a couple for the same purpose ...
But seriously, the ISS is an outpost of the new space industry. This is an opportunity to assemble transport modules in orbit. These are new horizons in the energy sector. Musk does not understand this yet. As soon as he understands that in 10 years he will be on Mars, and in fifty years all the states of the world will be only SOBES at his office

[Black Colonel]

"Or maybe it’s better to impose a special tax on the oligarchs on the ISS ... Well, or better, we’ll dispossess a couple for the same purpose ..."
And they are already being horrified by the UK - you look, and migratory birds will reach their homeland with their belongings ...

[mac789]

It's not about the oligarchs. The point is in the orbital station. Russia, oh, how come in handy. And in the near future.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Black Colonel

you look, and migratory birds will stretch to their homeland with their belongings ...

I'm afraid that the scrub will remain to the representatives of the nation of robbers and pirates

[mac789]

Do some Jedi turn away from others? ... I beg you ... Then other Jedi will turn something off from the first. Not for nothing did the BAB shave bang. There he fell in love with some sort of regular Logovaz and wanted to get down.

[Antokha]

Read "Made with us" and find out that the economy is developing no less.

[ZVO]

Quote: Anton

Read "Made with us" and find out that the economy is developing no less.

Why then do we live worse and worse?

Why 4 years ago I bought a cubic meter of boards for 6 thousand rubles. and now he's already 9?
And this is not an imported product.
With food, everything is the same.
Why huge unemployment?
Why is the prohibitive lending and debt on loans from the population comparable to the Russian budget?
Why salaries fell almost 2 times, provided that the requirements increased many times for the employee?

[R Anatoly]

for: Dimontius (Dmitry) March 15, 2018 11:24
Is the saying familiar?
He who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
Familiar Challengers?
So, they in space had to carry bombs for Russia.
All this had to pay pensioners, teachers, ... and now in Russia you can live in peace, * opa is covered, you can raise the economy.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dimontius

Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? ... But the incomes of individuals fall 4 years.

do not be like liberal economists theorists, do not write nonsense, such projects are just the pusher for the economy.
Do you really think that this is just bought at the bazaar and all.
this is a huge number of jobs, both direct at manufacturers and related ones - shops, kindergartens, schools, universities, etc.

Quote: Dimontius

The vast majority of ordinary people, they need work. And not your endless space programs and Izhi with them.

read above and start finally thinking

[Dimontius]

that’s what I see the Far East healed from the “East” or Sochi after the Olympics. I do not say that mega projects are not needed, I say that it is time to make a mega project in the economy! If you have not noticed, then in our country money is only around state programs or the budget. From private companies, only outbids flourish or those who are closer to tenders. The rest of the demand is at a minimum. And where does he come from, if purchasing power under the baseboard. This mega-project is needed, but not hyper-scientific, which as a result will never reach the civilian sector. Neither I, not all my friends and acquaintances, no one, I stress, no one received a single breakthrough thanks to these mega projections. Therefore, yelling actually

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dimontius

that’s what I look the Far East healed from the “East” or Sochi after the Olympics

I'm sorry you yourself where you live in Sochi or in the Far East or at once in both places that say for the standard of living

Quote: Dimontius

This mega-project is needed, but not hyper-scientific, which as a result will never reach the civilian sector.

what will not enter the civilian sector ?! Once again, do not be like idiots of liberalism. You now communicate with me through equipment that was primarily developed for the military. 90% of civilian products are a byproduct of military development.

Quote: Dimontius

Neither I, not all my friends and acquaintances, no one, I stress, no one received a single breakthrough thanks to these mega projections. Therefore, yelling actually

shout less, yourself where and by whom do you work

[Dimontius]

where you live, who you work with ... it’s understandable why you are interested in what would you say later: “Well, you are not from the Far East, or are you not a builder / engineer / scientist? I am not likened to liberals, but the fact that targeted projects do not help to raise the standard of living of the population as a whole is a fact, and to challenge this is complete madness. There, under my Moscow window, is a whole industrial park, a huge ultramodern building. So what year have I been eyeing him to rent an office (the average price in a hospital). Do you know why I do not? because i will be there alone !!! Well, the maximum is still one on the whole floor. Those. two offices and concrete around, for there is no demand. I am leading to the fact that this numerous infrastructure does not start life / economy automatically. Therefore, I yell for a megaproject to increase business activity, stimulate demand or something else. The President did not say anything intelligible about the implementation of new defense products in the civilian world, except for a laser to extinguish fires. Oh god yes it will turn the whole economy almost like american internet

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dimontius

but the fact that point projects do not help raise the standard of living of the population as a whole is a fact

this phrase as a whole only says that you basically don’t understand how production works and nothing more

Quote: Dimontius

it’s clear why you are interested in what would later be said: “Well, you’re not from the Far East

are you from the Far East or not?

Quote: Dimontius

Those. two offices and concrete around, for there is no demand. I lead to the fact that this numerous infrastructure does not start

do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, that is, selling air (buy and sell offices) and production

[sogdy]

Quote: Dimontius

If you have not noticed, then in our country money is only around state programs or the budget. From private companies, only outbids flourish or those who are closer to tenders.

But Shaw does Vi offer? Enter private money? or private control of public money?
All money is taken either from the target budget expenditures in their own enterprises, or from loans. The path of loans - the European one - has already brought them to a pen, domestic debt exceeds imagination, external debt is measured in annual GDP.
Offering inappropriate budget? - It was like that, there is still someone to catch. This is beneficial only to sworn "partners".

Quote: Dimontius

Neither I, not all my friends and acquaintances, no one, I stress, no one received a single breakthrough thanks to these mega projections.

I wonder how it is? A bunch of hidden meanings leads to nonsense.

Quote: Dimontius

Therefore, yelling actually

Here we come to the most important thing: from whose voice?
And do not say that “this is your opinion” - this is a nonsense.

[Dimontius]

I have long noticed at VO such an assessment that I am critical of something, gentlemen immediately appear who see liberalism or brainwashed. I think a chip here, as in America, with a foil cap on its head would also not hurt On the topic: I'm not Kudrin and not Titov, I do not have the exact recipe. Maybe if there was such a task and a worthy team, I would be with my fin. education, and came up with something worthy. And so I can only give estimates as a citizen and a voter.

[sogdy]

Quote: Dimontius

I have long noticed at VO such an assessment that I am critical of something, gentlemen immediately appear who see liberalism or brainwashed

Well, I assessed your criticality - stupidity. There is also Oblomovism.
“At the request of the working people” they created the Skolkovo economic megaproject. This is what you are so "yelling" about. The tii, it was very defiantly created, especially for those who "yells". Why are you not there? Why do “scouts” condemn the project? But because this is reality, there are no other options for existence and implementation.

[Dimontius]

"nonsense" - Nonsense committed with a serious look. Why are you writing this to me? On the contrary, I said above that the point projects "ala Skolkovo" or Kazan "Innopolis" do not help the system. I stand for stimulating demand and increasing the purchasing power of the population from reserves, from the budget, from abroad, from everywhere, to reduce taxes! Flood the economy with money, drown Russia with money if you want, that there was a boom like in Singapore. Because now, as you rightly noted, the population is heavily loaned and sits without money. Drowned the defense with money - this is the result. I want the same, but with a citizen.

[ZVO]

Quote: Dimontius

I stand for stimulating demand and increasing the purchasing power of the population from reserves, from the budget, from abroad, from everywhere, to reduce taxes!

So.
Here is an example of my "megaproject". :)
It’s a joke, but there is a real share in it.
1. Reduce mortgage rates for the construction of suburban (at least 50 km from the border to the city of one million, at least 70 km to the city border of over a million, at least 100 km of over 3 million non-residents) of real estate to 2% per year. With certain obligations on the terms of construction and subsequent resale.
2. Construction of roads in all these areas with 3 lanes in each direction.
3. Providing gas laying. electricity, water supply, sewage to these buildings.
This is the “right burial of money", which does not increase inflation in the state, but it stimulates a huge pent-up demand.

What do we get.
A huge increase in production in metallurgy. Pipes, fittings, cable products (etc.) will be very needed
The huge growth of the entire construction industry (cement, asphalt, gravel, etc.).
And most importantly. Ore production, railway transportation, transshipment, motor transport, vehicle production, its repair and maintenance, fuel consumption will also grow enormously along the chain — the country's budget will not need to depend on the level of European consumption.
Then people will begin to build, there will be dozens, or hundreds of thousands, around each more than a millionaire.
They will consume fittings, poles, hardware, pipes, roofing, cement, brick in colossal amounts. blocks, wood, cables, boilers, linoleum. carpets, paints, varnishes, drills. saws, jigsaws and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff.
They will use a lot of gas, electricity.
They will buy cars to get to the same city for work.
Cars will consume fuel, they will need to be serviced.
And if you also give targeted loans for Russian cars specifically for residents of "suburban real estate" - this will increase the demand for our production.

Infrastructure will begin to be collected, kindergartens and schools will be built there, away from cities. Let not in every village, but at nodal and reference points. Open stores that will need to be filled with products and which will be produced and transported there.

And in each sphere of production, growth goes along the chain from production to production, to delivery and to the terminal.

After all, having bought one and a half inch pipe, you pay for geologists, for workers in quarries of the ore deposit, for railway, for metallurgists, again for railway, for sellers. for carriers, for welders - you really pay a huge chain.
And in the same way they pay from your pipe - their locomotives, their bulldozers, etc.
And their well-being is growing and they are just starting to consume more ...
Growth is explosive in the economy from a small playful megaproject.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dimontius

I would be with my fin. education, and came up with something worthy.

my advice to you with your FIN education do not get into disputes about the principles of industrial production

[Vadim237]

"I say that it is time to make a mega project in the economy!" Let’s, however, from mega projects, payback will have to wait 7 years.

[Per se.]

Quote: Dimontius

We need a mega project in the economy, jobs in the country - 0!

"Megaproject"? Throw capitalism picked up back to the dustbin of history, revive the Soviet power, nationalize all the key industries for the economy, cleanse the power of opportunists, thieves and gangsters ... Without this, even if you are working, put everything on bread and water, make an 20 hour day without days off and holidays, there will be no money anyway. Hundreds of billions flowed away from Russia, and will flow away until the social system itself changes, it will not have its own, independent of the West, pole of power, in the form of renewed socialism, without which Russia has no worthy future.

[Dimontius]

yes you have a whole program) Didn’t you think about getting out?

[Per se.]

Quote: Dimontius

Not elected to be elected?

Without me there is someone to be elected, and I did not justify socialism.

[ZVO]

Quote: Per se.

Quote: Dimontius

Not elected to be elected?

Without me there is someone to be elected, and I did not justify socialism.

Well yes. now, after people have lived in capitalism, it is possible to return them to socialism only again in the same way. Military dictatorship. civil war, famine and closed borders.
Alas. but otherwise it will not work.

[Per se.]

Yes, drop it, Alex! What kind of civil war, almost every oligarch of ours has a stigma in fluff, everyone somehow violated the law, had a connection with crime. On any there is a dossier, finger poke, you will not miss, for any there is an article. Give them 24 hours to pack, and, a suitcase, train station, London (New York), or on the bench. As Benito Mussolini sent his gangsters from Italy overseas. No one will twitch, the skin would save, but the legs carry. Otherwise, if the army and the people are for socialism, what's the problem? Finally, who said that it is impossible to draw the necessary conclusions, socialism is not masochism, but a blessing for the people. Capitalism was positive for civilization, but, until that moment, until transnational monopolies were established. There is no greater good in capitalism, since competition is increasingly becoming a fiction, both internal and external (without competition with socialism). The capitalists already do not need long-term quality goods, so how should we sell more today than yesterday, and tomorrow more than today. This is ensured only by a constantly updated product, under a limited warranty or disposable goods. Moreover, everything that is possible is made up of shit, they reduce costs ... Capitalism has become a planetary virus, has become an absolute evil, and the return of socialism is not a whim, and the only way to preserve civilization is to give it a dignified future.

[Vadim237]

There was already socialism - thanks to him, they fell apart.

[Per se.]

Quote: Vadim237

thanks to him and fell apart

Thanks to him, we still live on his margin of safety, in science and technology, we have a nuclear shield and the status of a space power. And, they collapsed not because of socialism, but contrary to its benefits and power, with fools and traitors in power, who with the current gangster capitalism, they will not leave anything to their descendants with their “achievements”, consuming the Soviet safety margin.

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Dimontius

Have a conscience !!!! Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? Enough of mega projects already ... Sochi, the World Cup, Vostochny, the collider, the lunar program with China, this is certainly cool guys.

the development of the space industry - this is the investment in the economy, in technology, scientific base and so on.
and in this:

Quote: Dimontius

Developed for defense now, * opa is covered - it means it's time to slow down!

general game. those who decided to slow down very quickly turn out to be something like "ancient Sumerian ukrov" - they slowed down for a very long time, hop and generally in the tail of the column.

[ZVO]

Quote: K0

the development of the space industry - this is the investment in the economy, in technology, scientific base and so on.

Give practical examples of using the results of the development of the space industry?
Well, besides Navigation and Google maps?

[Cxnumx]

Quote: ZVO

Give practical examples of using the results of the development of the space industry?

here is the material for your acquaintance, sorry a little outdated (copy in full, the site splits links):
http://magru.net/pubs/7659/ispolzovanie_rezultato
v_kosmicheskoy_deyatelnosti_v_interesah_sotsialno
-ekonomicheskogo_razvitiya_rf
and so "by the way": new ballistic missiles - this is, inter alia, thanks to space technology.

[ZVO]

Quote: K0

http://magru.net/pubs/7659/ispolzovanie_rezultato
v_kosmicheskoy_deyatelnosti_v_interesah_sotsialno
-ekonomicheskogo_razvitiya_rf
and so "by the way": new ballistic missiles - this is, inter alia, thanks to space technology.

Overlooked.
Everything was confirmed.
Only navigation and only mapping.
Only they are really used in our society.

Все.
everything else is empty words and nonsense.

[Cxnumx]

Quote: ZVO

everything else is empty words and nonsense.

those. you don’t need it personally, so it’s worthless (you can’t develop further)). and a cosmo-war market there too (on their own technologies, after all).

[ZVO]

Quote: K0

Quote: ZVO

everything else is empty words and nonsense.

those. you don’t need it personally, so it’s worthless (you can’t develop further)). and a cosmo-war market there too (on their own technologies, after all).

I didn’t ask about the military commissar, I asked about the applied application in the spheres of the military economy ...
we must have the benefits of investment.
And yes, the same military technologies are also used in countries. which do not fly into space so often and so much.
Israel for example - technologically its military is in no way inferior, in 80? components - superior to us ..

[Cxnumx]

Quote: ZVO

I didn’t ask about the military commissar, I asked about the applied application in the spheres of the military economy ...
we must have the benefits of investment.

I, unfortunately, are not so much savvy in this field to tell what experiments conducted in space have led to the creation of drugs, super-conductors, new types of polymers, more stable samples of cultivated plants, etc. etc. I can only say that at the current level of development, civilization is obliged, among other things, to such absolutely non-applied sciences as higher mathematics and theoretical physics, into which neither the USSR nor the USA were too lazy to invest.

Quote: ZVO

Israel for example - technologically its military is in no way inferior

I didn’t know that Israel had already mastered the whole range of military equipment, for example, the whole range of sea vessels and aviation.

What are you talking about?

Quote: ZVO

at 80? components - superior to us ..

What kind of "components" are these?

[R Anatoly]

Quote: ZVO
Give practical examples of using the results of the development of the space industry?

ZVO (Alex)
For now, one example is CHALLENGERS (bomb racers for Russia)

[R Anatoly]

Dimontius
Is the saying familiar?
He who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
Familiar Challengers?
So, they in space had to carry bombs for Russia.
All this had to be paid to pensioners, teachers, ... and now in Russia you can live in peace, * opa is covered, to raise the economy.

[Scoun]

Quote: Crowe

years before the deadline agreed upon by us for joint work on the ISS expires, we had the opportunity to separate and work independently within the Russian segment,

The main thing is that in a couple of years this segment as MiR would not be sunk.
And then we just did not hear about anything, even about the space trampoline.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Crowe

You need to secure your pigment.

And undock.

[RUSS]

Quote: Crowe

Diversification is good. You need to secure your pigment.

Read the article carefully, all that is written in it is not even plans, but fantasies, assumptions and desires.

[CHARM]

Quote: Crowe

Diversification is good. You need to secure your pigment.

Tearing communications ... and apparently not in words anymore.

[svp67]

Over the next three years, we will finally launch, I hope,

I forgot to add: “With the help of God,” more “Roskosmos” hoping already looks like nothing ...

[Ushly_bashkort]

If you make an orbital temple or, at worst, a chapel, then maybe the ROC will sponsor the development of modules

[svp67]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

If you make an orbital temple or, at worst, a chapel, then maybe the ROC will sponsor the development of modules

That would be cool, the first Temple in space in the world - ORTHODOX, owned by the Russian Orthodox Church MP

[Per se.]

Quote: svp67

The world's first temple in space - ORTHODOX

If nothing changes, laughter with laughter, but, you see, the module of the chapel of the Russian Orthodox Church and will finance, will be closer to God ...

[Archivist Vasya]

The name for the Russian station when they begin to choose?))))
But why bother to bring the station out of orbit and sink on Earth? Would be sent to deep space, let him fly ... Maybe someone will settle

[Ace Tambourine]

All at once will bark at providing fuel and a pusher for this.
And then ... do not rule out the possibility of copywriting when it is intercepted in deep space ... We have such people on Earth ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

Sent to deep space, let’s fly ...

is it humor or ignorance of the laws of physics and not understanding the topic?

[sogdy]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

is it humor or ignorance of the laws of physics and not understanding the topic?

Yes, like Archivist Vasya was never distinguished by deep ignorance. Apparently, humor, but introducing techies into a stupor.
But beautiful!

[KVU-NSVD]

three modules that will ensure autonomy in terms of energy, engines, communication systems and life support, the work of the Russian segment,

That is, our segment will become autonomous as part of the station, or ... "disengage"? Painful words about the engines are alarming ... Such a separation of the station may become unique ..

[rocket757]

That’s as soon as I’ll immediately be happy with everyone and be proud of our country, science, PEOPLE !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Painful words about the engines are alarming ...

it’s like a “braggit”, the main thing is that the rest, like the EU, would not require money for budding

[Piramidon]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Painful words about the engines are alarming ...

Engines for adjusting the orbit and position have always been there.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Painful words about the engines are alarming ...

Engines for adjusting the orbit and position have always been there.

General use, so to speak. And here we are talking about separate for the Russian segment and therefore this issue is not clear to me ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

three modules that will ensure autonomy in terms of energy, engines, communication systems and life support, the work of the Russian segment,

That is, our segment will become autonomous as part of the station, or ... "disengage"? Painful words about the engines are alarming ... Such a separation of the station may become unique ..

It seems that the ultimate goal of the project is maximum autonomy and complete independence from the vagaries of the "partners", which is absolutely true.

[tchoni]

I didn’t understand: we undock for good, or just lift up the bulkheads

[Ushly_bashkort]

No, let’s start the “Newbie” first, and then we will kill the bulkheads

[Scoun]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

No, let’s start the “Newbie” first, and then we will kill the bulkheads

We are not repeating ourselves!
Let them "The Whisperer" and batten down the hatches)))
PS.
Special thanks for the "sponsorship" from the Russian Orthodox Church!)))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: tchoni

or just bully bulkheads

pull the thorn, put the towers with machine guns and put the dogs on a chain

[Piramidon]

Quote: tchoni

I didn’t understand: we undock for good, or just lift up the bulkheads

We undress when the “partners” are in their segment, let them get home on the way.

[Anchonsha]

Well, of course, our space station needs to be left and still increased for laboratory research. Mermek seems to have a desire to secede and create, under its auspices, the ISS. It would be better for an arrogant and exclusive creature to be a beater in Russia. But in vain, the Russians are famous for their devotion and good nature, did not infringe on our other partners in space in anything. And if we were on the spot of the Merikans, the latter would have shown us in every way their exclusivity and ill-neighborliness on the American ISS.

[Aleksandr21]

For how many years our Science module has been trying to launch .... and here as many as three modules, by 2021, looks more like science fiction) if these three modules will be done by the GKNPC them. Khrunicheva (and one of them is the campaign "Science") is not a fact that we will see these modules on time. Maybe, of course, Khrunichev will have time to send science by this time, given how many years they have been developing it, but the other two modules ... it is doubtful.

[slipped]

MLM-U "Science" in the process of completion, UM "Berth" has already been done - in storage, NEM is done, by the end of the 20th will be done.

[Aleksandr21]

Yes, it would be faster, according to the initial plans, Science should have been sent back in 2007, then the deadlines were shifted and now it’s 2018. I can’t believe in fairy tales when they launch it and it will be possible to rejoice, but for now just words.

[slipped]

Why don’t you wait for this launch? Sverbit? Will fly when done. A rocket for him has already been ordered.

[Aleksandr21]

If I fly, I’ll only be glad, but upon the launch itself, I would like to see the new Russian modules in orbit, there’s nothing to hide, and your comment “Swings?” at least disrespect for the interlocutor. Or is it from the truth about the launch dates that makes you so sad? Well this is reality, let's judge by real deeds, not words.

[slipped]

This truth does not shake me in terms of launch for one reason - I know for sure why it does not fly, okay? Flies when the time comes.

[Kamchatsky]

Yes, close the bulkheads, to let merikans into the toilet only through open space or for currency!

[donavi49]

Americans will make their orbital base. Bigelow is already working on this. Partially conducting experiments on the ISS.

The main feature - an unprecedented amount of interior space, due to the inflatable system. Conventional rockets (the same Falcon or Atlas) will be able to display high-density modules - which will open in orbit and give the diameter of the block inaccessible for output by any existing rocket today. Actually, more people can live there or bring in more scientific equipment (after opening in orbit, on a truck).

[slipped]

Ours also do this for the new station, here is one of the layouts

[Cetron]

A piece of space debris or dust at speed, and the US sell-off is over. They tried to open a mirror of reflective fabric, a few days later it was torn to shreds.

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Dimontius

Have a conscience !!!! Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? Enough of mega projects already ... Sochi, the World Cup, Vostochny, the collider, the lunar program with China, this is certainly cool guys. But incomes of individuals fall 4 years. And you won’t raise them with any shining stars! We need a mega project in the economy, jobs in the country - 0! Not all are so smart engineers, scientists, techies. The vast majority of ordinary people, they need work. And not your endless space programs and Izhi with them. Developed for defense now, * opa is covered - it means it's time to slow down!

What are you? But this is not an investment in the economy? In the long run! It would not have promised dividends, if you had not seen Merikos there ...

[Old26]

Quote: ZVO

Why 4 years ago I bought a cubic meter of boards for 6 thousand rubles. and now he's already 9?

Because, as Antokha said, the economy is developing no less ....

Quote: mac789

It's not about the oligarchs. The point is in the orbital station. Russia, oh, how come in handy. And in the near future.

First you need to solve the question - WHAT IS IT NEEDED FOR?. If you conduct scientific experiments, then almost all the equipment is in the western (American) segment. Further, all these actions require very high energy consumption. Now the total power consumption at the station is more than 110 kW (the maximum that American solar panels can give is 260 kW). Of which the Russian segment provides about 17 kW. This issue must also be addressed.
Their main high-tech equipment is such that they do not pass through Russian hatches. Larger hatches on their ships, as we will have on the Federation. The question is whether we can launch these several modules in real time. They have been trying to launch “Science” for so long that they are now forced to change everything related to electrical equipment and communications, all these gaskets, and so on.

Quote: Archivist Vasya

The name for the Russian station when they begin to choose?))))
But why bother to bring the station out of orbit and sink on Earth? Would be sent to deep space, let him fly ... Maybe someone will settle

Choose a name - just spit. The main thing that was what can be called a station

Quote: KVU-NSVD

General use, so to speak. And here we are talking about separate for the Russian segment and therefore this issue is not clear to me ..

engines of course there are. On modules STAR и ZARA. On the "Dawn"two marching 450 kg of thrust each (plus 36 engines with a thrust of a dozen or two kg for sykovki). STAR there are also two marching ones, but with a thrust of 300 kg each and small thrusts of 36 to 13 kg). However, the issue with the ZARYA module remains to be resolved. He did it with us, but with American money and in fact (legally) is the property of the Americans. Also a question.

Further, all the high-speed equipment for transmitting data to the ground is in the American segment. In case of undocking, ours will have to transfer data to the ground on disks. Internet is also on the American segment

So it’s not so simple - picked up and undocked

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: tchoni

I didn’t understand: we undock for good, or just lift up the bulkheads

We undress when the “partners” are in their segment, let them get home on the way.

Nothing will survive. Of the 15 modules, 10 of them, there are many places. Trucks come to them anyway, and the weight of some is 2-3 times greater than on our Progresses. Will survive. set a record of stay in space, but survive. But the fact that they pay us for the creation of a certain number of ships and carriers (EMNIP in the Energy report was 5), then the number of ships we will sharply decrease ... Energy-cat wept. It is not known who will be worse at the same time.

Quote: Kamchatka

Yes, close the bulkheads, to let merikans into the toilet only through open space or for currency!

And they have their own ...