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The head of the Roskosmos state corporation, Igor Komarov, said it was necessary to launch three additional modules on the ISS, which would make the Russian segment of the ISS autonomous by 2021, reports Interfax.




We gave our industry the task to ensure that by the 2021 year, that is, years before the deadline agreed upon by us to work together on the ISS expires, we had the opportunity to separate and work independently in the Russian segment,
Komarov said at the forum "Russia - a land of opportunity."

For this, according to him, “it is necessary to work out and launch new modules”.

Over the next three years, we will finally launch, I hope, three modules that will provide autonomy in terms of energy, engines, communication systems and life support, the operation of the Russian segment,
Komarov added.

He noted that such measures are taken in case “if the partners of the Russian Federation refuse to cooperate on the ISS after 2025 of the year”.

At the same time, we believe, and it is our conviction that working together is much more efficient and better. This is the example when people benefit from mutual cooperation,
said the head of the corporation.

Operation of the ISS was originally planned to complete by 2025 year. They wanted to bring the station out of orbit and flood it in the Pacific Ocean. However, now the countries do not exclude the possibility of extending its work.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 15 March 2018 11: 10
    +4
    We gave our industry the task to ensure that by the 2021 year, that is, years before the deadline agreed upon by us to work together on the ISS expires, we had the opportunity to separate and work independently in the Russian segment,
    Diversification is good. You need to secure your pigment.
    However, we believe, and this is our belief, that working together is much more effective and better. This is an example when they only benefit from mutual cooperation.
    Americans do not understand this. They have ambitions over the edge.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 15 March 2018 11: 23
      0
      The work of the ISS can be extended until 2028. But there still hangs an empty Chinese ISS, which so far does not even have a name. If anything, we can arrange a lease with them. And we will launch the "modules" there from the rented Baconur Cosmodrome.winked
      1. _MaX_
        _MaX_ 15 March 2018 11: 30
        +7
        It was not necessary to drown the World, firstly, it is secondly. Now they would have had their own station. The greatest lie of the 90s is that the World is outdated and must be drowned.
        1. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 15 March 2018 11: 56
          +9
          Quote: _MaX_
          It was not necessary to drown the World, firstly, it is secondly. Now they would have had their own station. The greatest lie of the 90s is that the World is outdated and must be drowned.

          already 2018 - Mir is 100% out of date. they say about the ISS that it’s time to change.
          1. For example
            For example 15 March 2018 13: 11
            +3
            Quote: _MaX_
            It was not necessary to drown the World, firstly ...

            There was no need to overthrow the king. laughing
          2. Skif83
            Skif83 16 March 2018 09: 39
            0
            Yes ... and "... Komarov said at the forum" Russia is a country of opportunities. " So far, more opportunities than real cases.
        2. Dedall
          Dedall 15 March 2018 19: 40
          +3
          So sure, dear _MaX_! As far as I remember, in order to lift the “World” to another orbit, it was only necessary to invest 300 million. But our Sun-faced always worked out the orders of the State Department. They said to drown - fulfilled. They said that 32 million extra pensioners -
          will do.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 15 March 2018 22: 04
            +3
            Dedall, I heard about the version that a strange mold appeared on the "World". Well, "Mir" and the one burned and flooded.
    2. Dimontius
      Dimontius 15 March 2018 11: 24
      +11
      Have a conscience !!!! Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? Enough of mega projects already ... Sochi, the World Cup, Vostochny, the collider, the lunar program with China, this is certainly cool guys. But incomes of individuals fall 4 years. And you won’t raise them with any shining stars! We need a mega project in the economy, jobs in the country - 0! Not all are so smart engineers, scientists, techies. The vast majority of ordinary people, they need work. And not your endless space programs and Izhi with them. Developed for defense now, * opa is covered - it means it's time to slow down! sad
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 15 March 2018 11: 32
        +17
        Maybe we’ll double invest in the economy?

        this is the investment in the economy
        Enough of mega projects

        Since last year, trillions of rubles have remained on budget accounts. At least something has been invested in megaprojects. Why should money just lie there?
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 15 March 2018 13: 15
          +3
          Quote: glory1974
          Maybe we’ll double invest in the economy?

          this is the investment in the economy
          Enough of mega projects

          Since last year, trillions of rubles have remained on budget accounts. At least something has been invested in megaprojects. Why should money just lie there?


          You are replacing concepts.
          Our state is precisely burying money, without further development of the economy.

          There are 2 ways of "stability" - the first is the scrupulous management of the economy and finance.
          The second is a dumb instillation of excess money that does not give any profit in the future. Connected. deferred etc.

          Here's an example of road construction.
          Is it burying money?
          Essentially yes, but ....

          Every 5-10 kilometers of the road - there is a gas station.
          She employs 5-6 gas station employees.
          But the appearance of gas stations - gives work first to the bulldozer, then to the metallurgists that welded the metal, then to the welders that the tanks were welded, then to the electricians that stretched the wires and poles. Then there is congestion (additional) for everything related to the activities of this particular gas station.
          Constant demand in people begins to appear.
          Let them be few, only 20 people, but this is only with one gas station.
          And besides the gas station - there are various cafes, service stations, shops, motels, hotels.

          And it turns out that some kind of buried money gives excellent deferred profit ...

          The money buried in the Olympics, the World Cup, or such a dodgy and ill-conceived space, not carefully calculated, does not give any deferred profit.
          The entire infrastructure of the Olympics is subsidized. it does not and will not give any deferred profit. For a searchlight.
          The entire infrastructure of the World Cup will also be subsidized.
          What was done in Samara, especially the laying of the tram line to the stadium, which is located on the outskirts of the city 5 kilometers from the nearest houses, is generally the height of cynicism and cut ...

          Nothing is being done for the future.

          Can anyone at least call me the real and applied advantages for society and the population of space investments in our lives? Points 10 name please.
          Such that everyone would understand, it entered our life tightly, we are all residents, we use it.
          I'd love to know about this.
          I honestly, without sarcasm.

          Except Google Maps - I don’t remember this ...
          1. Dimontius
            Dimontius 15 March 2018 13: 55
            0
            Thank you for supporting. I mean the same thing. Speaking of the World Cup, the stadiums really had to be built, I am very happy as a football fan)) Of course, not like the cost of the Zenith arena. But about the tram is tin.
            1. Dedall
              Dedall 15 March 2018 23: 06
              +2
              Dear Dimontius, I would like to ask about the statement about the tram: "Have you ever played Transport Tayson?" If not, I will say that there it was necessary to do the laying of tram tracks from the very beginning, when there are still no houses around. Then it came out much more expensive. And the tram then pulls up the rest of the social sphere. And this is fully evident in the example of Novocherkassk. There, back in the 19th century, the first tram line was built in the south of Russia from the market to the hippodrome. But they did not manage to develop other routes - the city began to grow rapidly in this direction. Only then, already in the 30s, built another ring for the locomotive (then cannon) plant.
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 15 March 2018 14: 25
            0
            Quote: ZVO
            Every 5-10 kilometers of the road - there is a gas station.
            She employs 5-6 gas station employees.
            But the appearance of gas stations - gives work first to the bulldozer, then to the metallurgists that welded the metal, then to the welders that the tanks were welded, then to the electricians that stretched the wires and poles. Then there is congestion (additional) for everything related to the activities of this particular gas station.
            Constant demand in people begins to appear.
            Let them be few, only 20 people, but this is only with one gas station.

            And according to my calculations - 2,46 people ...
            It looks like your numbers are for the city limits, but 10 people aren’t typing there either ...
            Quote: ZVO
            in fact, laying a tram line to the stadium on the outskirts of the city 5 kilometers from the nearest houses is generally the height of cynicism and cutting ...

            Our city consists of three areas, between which there were 10-15 km of swamps. Now these divisions are tracked only by architecture. What are your objections?
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 15 March 2018 20: 15
              +1
              Quote: sogdy

              And according to my calculations - 2,46 people ...
              It looks like your numbers are for the city limits, but 10 people aren’t typing there either ...


              Well, maybe at your gas station and works for 1 person, plus half the owner.
              But do you consider the entire service system?
              All these
              fuel suppliers (with their internal teams) ?,
              all merchandisers of related products (all kinds of companies from car oils, tobacco, snacks, drinks, brushes, coal, chewing gum, coffee and rolls) with their teams?
              All service companies (electricians, column technicians, tank technicians, TB nicknames, snow plow drivers (who will remove snow in winter), etc.
              And the members of their families, who just as indirectly become the income from opening a gas station?

              Quote: sogdy

              Our city consists of three areas, between which there were 10-15 km of swamps. Now these divisions are tracked only by architecture. What are your objections?


              Apparently you do not know how Samara is located.
              And what is her general development plan.
              There will be no residential quarters around the stadium.

              The fact that the tram will run for only 2 weeks is garbage.
              Just because. that it is useless.
              How many cars are needed to take away at least 10 thousand people-fans?
              And they will leave the stadium at once ...
              Us what. the whole city for 2 hours to completely leave without cars, try to drive them to the stadium?
              10000 fans, this is a minimum of 100 wagons. If they will be hammered like canned herring.
              And how long will the train move towards the stop? Landing, landing? 3-4 hours?
              Is it only for 10 thousand fans?
              And if there will be 20 thousand? Or how was it with us for 30-32 thousand?
              How many trams do you need?
              300? and loading and unloading of 10 hours in each direction will occur?



              Well, yes, only here they could make Novy Urengoy almost the largest city in the world ...
              Administratively taken and attached to NUR - Korotchaevo.

              Judging by the "swamps" you are from somewhere in Western Siberia,
              What has developed there?
              Tyumen, Surgut, Khanty, Wartovsk. yes nur a little ...

              But everything burst development in these regions.
              There will be no further.
              The rest is a bubble.
              All the same, smarts no longer go to Western Siberia.
              For there are no more goodies there.
              And there is no future.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 16 March 2018 07: 41
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                Well, maybe at your gas station and works for 1 person, plus half the owner.
                But do you consider the entire service system?
                All these
                fuel suppliers (with their internal teams) ?,

                Yes
                Quote: ZVO
                Judging by the "swamps" you are from somewhere in Western Siberia,

                No
                Quote: ZVO
                What has developed there?

                Nu-nu.
                Quote: ZVO
                But everything burst development in these regions.
                There will be no further.

                So there!
                Quote: ZVO
                All the same, smarts no longer go to Western Siberia.
                For there are no more goodies there.
                And there is no future.

                ZVO, but you did not try to prove that there is no Earth?
                1. R Anatoly
                  R Anatoly 18 March 2018 19: 09
                  +1
                  sogdy (sogdy) March 16, 2018 - this ZVO (Alex) reminds me of a school cramming. He knows a lot, but understands a little
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 19 March 2018 15: 03
                    0
                    Samara aircraft plant number 18 is really dying. And for a long time to come, if Deripaska is not personally interested in them. You understand, with flying heads - these do not shoot.
                    ZVO - Leading Engineer. Yes, he is offended. We would have fired him for a long time.
                    His main mistake: automation is ONLY due to a lack of money, and not an excess. And in the factories of Deripaska, this methodological principle is fully traced.
                    Also, he has something completely wrong with normative calculations. The result is completely inadequate conclusions.
                    For example, the fans leaving the stadium - ABOUT the city insisted on stretching the crowd, and he needed a quick removal.
          3. Awaz
            Awaz 15 March 2018 14: 38
            +3
            about the roads, the authorities still understood the chip. Over the past three years, the quality of roads has grown significantly. Every summer I make a circle in the Volga region and I will say that not bad roads really appeared. I’ll even say that they’re excellent, considering that they are free. In addition, I periodically visit the EU and also know the quality of their roads. There, on the contrary, there is some degradation in this regard, even in Germany. Although it may be simple, I began to pay attention to it, but still ..
            But about the stadiums, I agree. It was nevertheless necessary to force them to build club owners. As I understand it, it seems that the owner of the club in Krasnodar started an awesome stadium at his own expense. And then the authorities will have less bunting and all that ... Well, and I don’t think at all that some benefit will now be from the World Cup. The Sochi Olympics showed that Western tourists do not go to Russia, and after the current treatment, hardly anyone will go. The price of tickets is insane, and everything will go mainly to FIFA. In general, it is a stupid idea to hold major competitions in the country. Unprofitable unambiguously.
          4. Stiletto_711
            Stiletto_711 15 March 2018 17: 29
            0
            Quote: ZVO
            Can anyone at least call me the real and applied advantages for society and the population of space investments in our lives?

            A statement at the level of a respected human ancestor. By type: "Can someone name the applied pluses of upright posture? We have a throat on the tree!" laughing
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 15 March 2018 19: 52
              +1
              Quote: Stilett_71
              Quote: ZVO
              Can anyone at least call me the real and applied advantages for society and the population of space investments in our lives?

              A statement at the level of a respected human ancestor. By type: "Can someone name the applied pluses of upright posture? We have a throat on the tree!" laughing



              And will there be at least one example in the answer?
              Well, what would really come to life? And constantly using?
              Well, what did medicine really get?
              Well, it’s clear that hundreds of thousands of doctors and dozens of research institutes were allocated for space, but what did ordinary pediatricians or surgeons get in ordinary rural and urban medical institutions? What is included in their working life?

              Can some products appear on the shelves?

              Has metallurgy become cosmic?
              I understand that metallurgy began to make special alloys especially for space - but did they, these special alloys, enter our everyday life firmly?

              And so in everything.

              Well yes, there is a certain geosounding.
              Which is hundreds of times more expensive and just as ineffective as conventional geological surveys ...

              Google Maps ... GPS \ Glonass Navigation
              and all ???

              That's all.
              1. Stiletto_711
                Stiletto_711 15 March 2018 23: 26
                +2
                Quote: ZVO
                And will there be at least one example in the answer?

                I gave an example, sorry you did not understand. request
                Some develop and go beyond the usual horizon and habitat, while others remain in place. The difference is the same as that of primates, in the long term, the descendants of the first expose the descendants of the second in the zoo hi
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 16 March 2018 07: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Stilett_71
                  Quote: ZVO
                  And will there be at least one example in the answer?

                  I gave an example, sorry you did not understand. request
                  Some develop and go beyond the usual horizon and habitat, while others remain in place. The difference is the same as that of primates, in the long term, the descendants of the first expose the descendants of the second in the zoo hi


                  Well yes. well yes...
                  pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting on the level of monkeys, and to talk about some kind of high matters,
                  And that we are of such high quality. we do not understand.

                  not a friend.
                  Read Sergei Savelyev. Evolutionist.

                  like you, there is a very good description there ...
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 16 March 2018 07: 49
                    0
                    Quote: ZVO
                    pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting at the level of monkeys,

                    What time! Well, this at least explains your mentality.
                    1. ZVO
                      ZVO 16 March 2018 20: 54
                      0
                      Quote: sogdy
                      Quote: ZVO
                      pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting at the level of monkeys,

                      What time! Well, this at least explains your mentality.


                      Those. you merged again ...
                      the inability to argue the real facts of use in the areas of public consumption - investment in space - again, reduce to the confrontation between the working cattle and the higher intelligentsia ...

                      PS
                      and yes ..
                      I’m probably still a working bone.
                      For the past 30 years, he has worked directly or indirectly with the aviation industry and the space industry.
                      He started at 18 aircraft factory.
                      Now I have almost 4 higher ones, including and MBA.
                      Progress, blacksmiths, aircraft, engine builder - I know firsthand ...

                      But these words do not tell you anything. for you are just an amoeba ...
                      What Sergey Saveliev speaks of, whose name you ignored ...
                      1. sogdy
                        sogdy 18 March 2018 01: 00
                        0
                        Quote: ZVO
                        Now I have almost 4 higher ones, including and MBA

                        I'm sorry. Not sincerely. The old, Soviet "man offended by higher education."
                        Quote: ZVO
                        I’m probably still a working bone.

                        Blue blood, white bone. So what?
                        Quote: ZVO
                        What Sergey Saveliev speaks of, whose name you ignored ...

                        antropogenez.ru/review/710/
                        antropogenez.ru/review/851/
                        Well, you and friends! (c) They obviously discredit you.
                  2. Stiletto_711
                    Stiletto_711 17 March 2018 14: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: ZVO
                    pathetic intellectual snobbish attempts to humiliate me. putting on the level of monkeys, and to talk about some kind of high matters,

                    I have more interesting activities than to humiliate you, and as the classic used to say: "There is nothing in the world that could humiliate a person if he himself does not succumb to humiliation."

                    Quote: ZVO
                    And that we are of such high quality. we do not understand

                    I am deeply purple that you (are you many there? wassat ) there you understand or do not understand. You asked what is the use of space, I replied that at this stage it would not help to eat sweeter and sleep softer, but the development of this branch of human activity in the future can bear the same fruits as the transition of primates to upright posture, i.e. comprehensive and quality changes by orders of magnitude hi
                    Quote: ZVO
                    My friend.

                    And yes, remember for the future, you are not my friend, I adhere to the rule in this regard: "Choose your friends carefully, and the enemies will choose you yourself" hi
              2. sogdy
                sogdy 19 March 2018 15: 25
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                Well, what would really come to life? And constantly using?
                Well, what did medicine really get?
                Well, it’s clear that hundreds of thousands of doctors and dozens of research institutes were allocated for space, but what did ordinary pediatricians or surgeons get in ordinary rural and urban medical institutions? What is included in their working life?

                Let's start with teflon, hammer coating, titanium and beryllium alloys.
                "Systems" has long been from Teflon. A surgical instrument from 40X13 is a classic, but after an hour of work the hands fall off. Disposable syringe needles. Etc.
                Therapy (especially for children) - where did all the latest developments on the device and adjustment of the body come from?
                The chemistry of hydrocarbons - alas, the existing and used developments were initially not needed for the national economy.
                But what about "how long ago" - the development of Kibalchich and Tsiolkovsky was to the really existing Strela project. (Like the works of Bebage and Turing - to real devices).
          5. Glory1974
            Glory1974 21 March 2018 12: 12
            +1
            can anyone at least name the advantages of space investments in our lives that are real and applied to society and the population? Name 10 pliz.

            Only on a vskidka from a network:
            1. satellite television
            2. communication
            3. based on information from space weather forecasts.
            4 from satellite photos of the spread of forest fires and other natural disasters.
            5. space positioning systems that are used by airplanes, ships, cars and tourists.
            6. at the beginning of the twenty-first century, even private space exploration began. As you know, in 2001, the very first space tourist named Dennis Tito went into orbit.
            7. We consider plans for the extraction of useful resources on the moon and various asteroids. For example, this is helium-3. Since it does not exist on Earth, and on the Moon it is present in abundance A helium-3, at the same time, is almost an ideal fuel for thermonuclear energy.
            8. The medicine:
            Computer tomographs
            • Magnetic resonance imaging
            • Equipment for hemodialysis
            • Defibrillators
            • Artificial heart (This is perhaps one of the most “burning” examples of the terrestrial utility of space technology. This artificial heart model was jointly developed by world-famous American surgeon Michael DeBakey and Johnson Space Center engineer David Socier. The design was based on a turbopump assembly design shuttle main engine).
            • Tele-robot surgeon of the type "Da Vinci"
            • Apparatus for physiotherapy
            • Positron emission tomographs
            • Microwave receivers for early detection of breast cancer
            • Equipment for cardioangiography
            • Monitors for the study of neural activity of the brain
            • Procedures and methods for operating room sterilization
            • Portable x-ray machines for examination of newborns
            • Individual breathing apparatus for firefighters
            • Sensors for monitoring harmful impurities in the air
            • Food quality control system, which reduced the risk of salmonella infection by two orders of magnitude
            9. Liferafts for aircraft and ships
            10. Ballistic rescue parachutes for light aircraft
            11. Cooling suits to relieve phantom pain, as well as for people who have suffered a spinal or sports injury, or for patients with multiple sclerosis
            12. Orthopedic mattresses and pillows with "memory"
            13. Water filters
            14. Technology of preservation of products by dry freezing
            15. Wireless Appliances
            16. Insulation systems
            17. Solar panels
            18. Special materials for the manufacture of clothing for swimmers, divers, workers engaged in hazardous work
            19. Teflon coated fiberglass for roofs
            20. A multispectral method for reading ancient Roman manuscripts that are burnt and damaged by the ashes of Vesuvius
            21. Creating heat-resistant building structures
            22. Using closed-loop and recycled technologies
            23. Express analysis of the air atmosphere in mines, mines and quarries based on methods for analyzing the atmosphere of residential and working spaces of spacecraft and orbital stations
            24. Special materials with properties obtained only in zero gravity
      2. mac789
        mac789 15 March 2018 11: 36
        +3
        Or maybe it’s better to impose a special tax on the oligarchs on the ISS ... Well, or better, we’ll dispossess a couple for the same purpose ...
        But seriously, the ISS is an outpost of the new space industry. This is an opportunity to assemble transport modules in orbit. These are new horizons in the energy sector. Musk does not understand this yet. As soon as he understands that in 10 years he will be on Mars, and in fifty years all the states of the world will be only SOBES at his office
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 15 March 2018 11: 53
          +1
          "Or maybe it’s better to impose a special tax on the oligarchs on the ISS ... Well, or better, we’ll dispossess a couple for the same purpose ..."
          And they are already being horrified by the UK - you look, and migratory birds will reach their homeland with their belongings ...
          1. mac789
            mac789 15 March 2018 12: 13
            +3
            It's not about the oligarchs. The point is in the orbital station. Russia, oh, how come in handy. And in the near future.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 13: 00
            +1
            Quote: Black Colonel
            you look, and migratory birds will stretch to their homeland with their belongings ...

            I'm afraid that the scrub will remain to the representatives of the nation of robbers and pirates
            1. mac789
              mac789 15 March 2018 13: 19
              0
              Do some Jedi turn away from others? ... I beg you ... Then other Jedi will turn something off from the first. Not for nothing did the BAB shave bang. There he fell in love with some sort of regular Logovaz and wanted to get down.
      3. Antokha
        Antokha 15 March 2018 11: 45
        +5
        Read "Made with us" and find out that the economy is developing no less.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 15 March 2018 13: 18
          +6
          Quote: Anton
          Read "Made with us" and find out that the economy is developing no less.


          Why then do we live worse and worse?

          Why 4 years ago I bought a cubic meter of boards for 6 thousand rubles. and now he's already 9?
          And this is not an imported product.
          With food, everything is the same.
          Why huge unemployment?
          Why is the prohibitive lending and debt on loans from the population comparable to the Russian budget?
          Why salaries fell almost 2 times, provided that the requirements increased many times for the employee?
          1. R Anatoly
            R Anatoly 18 March 2018 19: 00
            0
            for: Dimontius (Dmitry) March 15, 2018 11:24
            Is the saying familiar?
            He who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
            Familiar Challengers?
            So, they in space had to carry bombs for Russia.
            All this had to pay pensioners, teachers, ... and now in Russia you can live in peace, * opa is covered, you can raise the economy.
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 11: 54
        +9
        Quote: Dimontius
        Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? ... But the incomes of individuals fall 4 years.

        do not be like liberal economists theorists, do not write nonsense, such projects are just the pusher for the economy.
        Do you really think that this is just bought at the bazaar and all.
        this is a huge number of jobs, both direct at manufacturers and related ones - shops, kindergartens, schools, universities, etc.
        Quote: Dimontius
        The vast majority of ordinary people, they need work. And not your endless space programs and Izhi with them.

        read above and start finally thinking
        1. Dimontius
          Dimontius 15 March 2018 12: 08
          +5
          that’s what I see the Far East healed from the “East” or Sochi after the Olympics. I do not say that mega projects are not needed, I say that it is time to make a mega project in the economy! If you have not noticed, then in our country money is only around state programs or the budget. From private companies, only outbids flourish or those who are closer to tenders. The rest of the demand is at a minimum. And where does he come from, if purchasing power under the baseboard. This mega-project is needed, but not hyper-scientific, which as a result will never reach the civilian sector. Neither I, not all my friends and acquaintances, no one, I stress, no one received a single breakthrough thanks to these mega projections. Therefore, yelling actually
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 12: 58
            +3
            Quote: Dimontius
            that’s what I look the Far East healed from the “East” or Sochi after the Olympics

            I'm sorry you yourself where you live in Sochi or in the Far East or at once in both places that say for the standard of living
            Quote: Dimontius
            This mega-project is needed, but not hyper-scientific, which as a result will never reach the civilian sector.

            what will not enter the civilian sector ?! Once again, do not be like idiots of liberalism. You now communicate with me through equipment that was primarily developed for the military. 90% of civilian products are a byproduct of military development.
            Quote: Dimontius
            Neither I, not all my friends and acquaintances, no one, I stress, no one received a single breakthrough thanks to these mega projections. Therefore, yelling actually

            shout less, yourself where and by whom do you work
            1. Dimontius
              Dimontius 15 March 2018 13: 39
              +4
              where you live, who you work with ... it’s understandable why you are interested in what would you say later: “Well, you are not from the Far East, or are you not a builder / engineer / scientist? I am not likened to liberals, but the fact that targeted projects do not help to raise the standard of living of the population as a whole is a fact, and to challenge this is complete madness. There, under my Moscow window, is a whole industrial park, a huge ultramodern building. So what year have I been eyeing him to rent an office (the average price in a hospital). Do you know why I do not? because i will be there alone !!! Well, the maximum is still one on the whole floor. Those. two offices and concrete around, for there is no demand. I am leading to the fact that this numerous infrastructure does not start life / economy automatically. Therefore, I yell for a megaproject to increase business activity, stimulate demand or something else. The President did not say anything intelligible about the implementation of new defense products in the civilian world, except for a laser to extinguish fires. Oh god yes it will turn the whole economy negative almost like american internet laughing
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 22: 54
                +1
                Quote: Dimontius
                but the fact that point projects do not help raise the standard of living of the population as a whole is a fact

                this phrase as a whole only says that you basically don’t understand how production works and nothing more
                Quote: Dimontius
                it’s clear why you are interested in what would later be said: “Well, you’re not from the Far East

                are you from the Far East or not?
                Quote: Dimontius
                Those. two offices and concrete around, for there is no demand. I lead to the fact that this numerous infrastructure does not start

                do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, that is, selling air (buy and sell offices) and production
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 15 March 2018 13: 15
            0
            Quote: Dimontius
            If you have not noticed, then in our country money is only around state programs or the budget. From private companies, only outbids flourish or those who are closer to tenders.

            But Shaw does Vi offer? Enter private money? or private control of public money?
            All money is taken either from the target budget expenditures in their own enterprises, or from loans. The path of loans - the European one - has already brought them to a pen, domestic debt exceeds imagination, external debt is measured in annual GDP.
            Offering inappropriate budget? - It was like that, there is still someone to catch. This is beneficial only to sworn "partners".
            Quote: Dimontius
            Neither I, not all my friends and acquaintances, no one, I stress, no one received a single breakthrough thanks to these mega projections.

            I wonder how it is? A bunch of hidden meanings leads to nonsense.
            Quote: Dimontius
            Therefore, yelling actually

            Here we come to the most important thing: from whose voice?
            And do not say that “this is your opinion” - this is a nonsense.
            1. Dimontius
              Dimontius 15 March 2018 14: 09
              +4
              I have long noticed at VO such an assessment that I am critical of something, gentlemen immediately appear who see liberalism or brainwashed. I think a chip here, as in America, with a foil cap on its head would also not hurt laughing On the topic: I'm not Kudrin and not Titov, I do not have the exact recipe. Maybe if there was such a task and a worthy team, I would be with my fin. education, and came up with something worthy. And so I can only give estimates as a citizen and a voter. request
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 15 March 2018 14: 34
                0
                Quote: Dimontius
                I have long noticed at VO such an assessment that I am critical of something, gentlemen immediately appear who see liberalism or brainwashed

                Well, I assessed your criticality - stupidity. There is also Oblomovism.
                “At the request of the working people” they created the Skolkovo economic megaproject. This is what you are so "yelling" about. The tii, it was very defiantly created, especially for those who "yells". Why are you not there? Why do “scouts” condemn the project? But because this is reality, there are no other options for existence and implementation.
                1. Dimontius
                  Dimontius 15 March 2018 14: 56
                  +2
                  "nonsense" - Nonsense committed with a serious look. Why are you writing this to me? On the contrary, I said above that the point projects "ala Skolkovo" or Kazan "Innopolis" do not help the system. I stand for stimulating demand and increasing the purchasing power of the population from reserves, from the budget, from abroad, from everywhere, to reduce taxes! Flood the economy with money, drown Russia with money if you want, that there was a boom like in Singapore. Because now, as you rightly noted, the population is heavily loaned and sits without money. Drowned the defense with money - this is the result. I want the same, but with a citizen.
                  1. ZVO
                    ZVO 15 March 2018 20: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Dimontius
                    I stand for stimulating demand and increasing the purchasing power of the population from reserves, from the budget, from abroad, from everywhere, to reduce taxes!


                    So.
                    Here is an example of my "megaproject". :)
                    It’s a joke, but there is a real share in it.
                    1. Reduce mortgage rates for the construction of suburban (at least 50 km from the border to the city of one million, at least 70 km to the city border of over a million, at least 100 km of over 3 million non-residents) of real estate to 2% per year. With certain obligations on the terms of construction and subsequent resale.
                    2. Construction of roads in all these areas with 3 lanes in each direction.
                    3. Providing gas laying. electricity, water supply, sewage to these buildings.
                    This is the “right burial of money", which does not increase inflation in the state, but it stimulates a huge pent-up demand.

                    What do we get.
                    A huge increase in production in metallurgy. Pipes, fittings, cable products (etc.) will be very needed
                    The huge growth of the entire construction industry (cement, asphalt, gravel, etc.).
                    And most importantly. Ore production, railway transportation, transshipment, motor transport, vehicle production, its repair and maintenance, fuel consumption will also grow enormously along the chain — the country's budget will not need to depend on the level of European consumption.
                    Then people will begin to build, there will be dozens, or hundreds of thousands, around each more than a millionaire.
                    They will consume fittings, poles, hardware, pipes, roofing, cement, brick in colossal amounts. blocks, wood, cables, boilers, linoleum. carpets, paints, varnishes, drills. saws, jigsaws and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff.
                    They will use a lot of gas, electricity.
                    They will buy cars to get to the same city for work.
                    Cars will consume fuel, they will need to be serviced.
                    And if you also give targeted loans for Russian cars specifically for residents of "suburban real estate" - this will increase the demand for our production.

                    Infrastructure will begin to be collected, kindergartens and schools will be built there, away from cities. Let not in every village, but at nodal and reference points. Open stores that will need to be filled with products and which will be produced and transported there.

                    And in each sphere of production, growth goes along the chain from production to production, to delivery and to the terminal.

                    After all, having bought one and a half inch pipe, you pay for geologists, for workers in quarries of the ore deposit, for railway, for metallurgists, again for railway, for sellers. for carriers, for welders - you really pay a huge chain.
                    And in the same way they pay from your pipe - their locomotives, their bulldozers, etc.
                    And their well-being is growing and they are just starting to consume more ...
                    Growth is explosive in the economy from a small playful megaproject.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 22: 55
                0
                Quote: Dimontius
                I would be with my fin. education, and came up with something worthy.

                my advice to you with your FIN education do not get into disputes about the principles of industrial production
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 March 2018 23: 30
            0
            "I say that it is time to make a mega project in the economy!" Let’s, however, from mega projects, payback will have to wait 7 years.
      5. Per se.
        Per se. 15 March 2018 12: 59
        +5
        Quote: Dimontius
        We need a mega project in the economy, jobs in the country - 0!
        "Megaproject"? Throw capitalism picked up back to the dustbin of history, revive the Soviet power, nationalize all the key industries for the economy, cleanse the power of opportunists, thieves and gangsters ... Without this, even if you are working, put everything on bread and water, make an 20 hour day without days off and holidays, there will be no money anyway. Hundreds of billions flowed away from Russia, and will flow away until the social system itself changes, it will not have its own, independent of the West, pole of power, in the form of renewed socialism, without which Russia has no worthy future.
        1. Dimontius
          Dimontius 15 March 2018 13: 39
          +1
          yes you have a whole program) Didn’t you think about getting out?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 15 March 2018 13: 56
            +2
            Quote: Dimontius
            Not elected to be elected?
            Without me there is someone to be elected, and I did not justify socialism.
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 15 March 2018 20: 56
              +1
              Quote: Per se.
              Quote: Dimontius
              Not elected to be elected?
              Without me there is someone to be elected, and I did not justify socialism.


              Well yes. now, after people have lived in capitalism, it is possible to return them to socialism only again in the same way. Military dictatorship. civil war, famine and closed borders.
              Alas. but otherwise it will not work.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 16 March 2018 06: 47
                +1
                Yes, drop it, Alex! What kind of civil war, almost every oligarch of ours has a stigma in fluff, everyone somehow violated the law, had a connection with crime. On any there is a dossier, finger poke, you will not miss, for any there is an article. Give them 24 hours to pack, and, a suitcase, train station, London (New York), or on the bench. As Benito Mussolini sent his gangsters from Italy overseas. No one will twitch, the skin would save, but the legs carry. Otherwise, if the army and the people are for socialism, what's the problem? Finally, who said that it is impossible to draw the necessary conclusions, socialism is not masochism, but a blessing for the people. Capitalism was positive for civilization, but, until that moment, until transnational monopolies were established. There is no greater good in capitalism, since competition is increasingly becoming a fiction, both internal and external (without competition with socialism). The capitalists already do not need long-term quality goods, so how should we sell more today than yesterday, and tomorrow more than today. This is ensured only by a constantly updated product, under a limited warranty or disposable goods. Moreover, everything that is possible is made up of shit, they reduce costs ... Capitalism has become a planetary virus, has become an absolute evil, and the return of socialism is not a whim, and the only way to preserve civilization is to give it a dignified future.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 March 2018 23: 31
          0
          There was already socialism - thanks to him, they fell apart.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 17 March 2018 09: 30
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            thanks to him and fell apart
            Thanks to him, we still live on his margin of safety, in science and technology, we have a nuclear shield and the status of a space power. And, they collapsed not because of socialism, but contrary to its benefits and power, with fools and traitors in power, who with the current gangster capitalism, they will not leave anything to their descendants with their “achievements”, consuming the Soviet safety margin.
      6. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 15 March 2018 16: 22
        +1
        Quote: Dimontius
        Have a conscience !!!! Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? Enough of mega projects already ... Sochi, the World Cup, Vostochny, the collider, the lunar program with China, this is certainly cool guys.

        the development of the space industry - this is the investment in the economy, in technology, scientific base and so on.
        and in this:
        Quote: Dimontius
        Developed for defense now, * opa is covered - it means it's time to slow down!

        general game. those who decided to slow down very quickly turn out to be something like "ancient Sumerian ukrov" - they slowed down for a very long time, hop and generally in the tail of the column.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 15 March 2018 20: 57
          0
          Quote: K0

          the development of the space industry - this is the investment in the economy, in technology, scientific base and so on.


          Give practical examples of using the results of the development of the space industry?
          Well, besides Navigation and Google maps?
          1. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 16 March 2018 05: 28
            0
            Quote: ZVO
            Give practical examples of using the results of the development of the space industry?

            here is the material for your acquaintance, sorry a little outdated (copy in full, the site splits links):
            http://magru.net/pubs/7659/ispolzovanie_rezultato
            v_kosmicheskoy_deyatelnosti_v_interesah_sotsialno
            -ekonomicheskogo_razvitiya_rf
            and so "by the way": new ballistic missiles - this is, inter alia, thanks to space technology.
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 16 March 2018 07: 28
              0
              Quote: K0
              http://magru.net/pubs/7659/ispolzovanie_rezultato
              v_kosmicheskoy_deyatelnosti_v_interesah_sotsialno
              -ekonomicheskogo_razvitiya_rf
              and so "by the way": new ballistic missiles - this is, inter alia, thanks to space technology.


              Overlooked.
              Everything was confirmed.
              Only navigation and only mapping.
              Only they are really used in our society.

              Все.
              everything else is empty words and nonsense.
              1. Cxnumx
                Cxnumx 16 March 2018 07: 42
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                everything else is empty words and nonsense.

                those. you don’t need it personally, so it’s worthless (you can’t develop further)). and a cosmo-war market there too (on their own technologies, after all).
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 16 March 2018 18: 59
                  0
                  Quote: K0
                  Quote: ZVO
                  everything else is empty words and nonsense.

                  those. you don’t need it personally, so it’s worthless (you can’t develop further)). and a cosmo-war market there too (on their own technologies, after all).

                  I didn’t ask about the military commissar, I asked about the applied application in the spheres of the military economy ...
                  we must have the benefits of investment.
                  And yes, the same military technologies are also used in countries. which do not fly into space so often and so much.
                  Israel for example - technologically its military is in no way inferior, in 80? components - superior to us ..
                  1. Cxnumx
                    Cxnumx 17 March 2018 20: 25
                    0
                    Quote: ZVO
                    I didn’t ask about the military commissar, I asked about the applied application in the spheres of the military economy ...
                    we must have the benefits of investment.

                    I, unfortunately, are not so much savvy in this field to tell what experiments conducted in space have led to the creation of drugs, super-conductors, new types of polymers, more stable samples of cultivated plants, etc. etc. I can only say that at the current level of development, civilization is obliged, among other things, to such absolutely non-applied sciences as higher mathematics and theoretical physics, into which neither the USSR nor the USA were too lazy to invest.
                    Quote: ZVO
                    Israel for example - technologically its military is in no way inferior

                    I didn’t know that Israel had already mastered the whole range of military equipment, for example, the whole range of sea vessels and aviation.

                    What are you talking about?
                    Quote: ZVO
                    at 80? components - superior to us ..
                    What kind of "components" are these?
          2. R Anatoly
            R Anatoly 18 March 2018 18: 21
            0

            Quote: ZVO
            Give practical examples of using the results of the development of the space industry?

            ZVO (Alex)
            For now, one example is CHALLENGERS (bomb racers for Russia)
      7. R Anatoly
        R Anatoly 18 March 2018 18: 17
        0
        Dimontius
        Is the saying familiar?
        He who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
        Familiar Challengers?
        So, they in space had to carry bombs for Russia.
        All this had to be paid to pensioners, teachers, ... and now in Russia you can live in peace, * opa is covered, to raise the economy.
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 15 March 2018 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: Crowe
      years before the deadline agreed upon by us for joint work on the ISS expires, we had the opportunity to separate and work independently within the Russian segment,

      The main thing is that in a couple of years this segment as MiR would not be sunk.
      And then we just did not hear about anything, even about the space trampoline.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2018 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: Crowe
      You need to secure your pigment.

      And undock.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 15 March 2018 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Crowe
      Diversification is good. You need to secure your pigment.

      Read the article carefully, all that is written in it is not even plans, but fantasies, assumptions and desires.
    6. CHARM
      CHARM 15 March 2018 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Crowe
      Diversification is good. You need to secure your pigment.

      Tearing communications ... and apparently not in words anymore.
  2. svp67
    svp67 15 March 2018 11: 11
    +7
    Over the next three years, we will finally launch, I hope,
    I forgot to add: “With the help of God,” more “Roskosmos” hoping already looks like nothing ...
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 15 March 2018 11: 18
      +9
      If you make an orbital temple or, at worst, a chapel, then maybe the ROC will sponsor the development of modules laughing
      1. svp67
        svp67 15 March 2018 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: Ushly_bashkort
        If you make an orbital temple or, at worst, a chapel, then maybe the ROC will sponsor the development of modules

        That would be cool, the first Temple in space in the world - ORTHODOX, owned by the Russian Orthodox Church MP
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 15 March 2018 13: 09
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          The world's first temple in space - ORTHODOX
          If nothing changes, laughter with laughter, but, you see, the module of the chapel of the Russian Orthodox Church and will finance, will be closer to God ...
  3. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 15 March 2018 11: 15
    0
    The name for the Russian station when they begin to choose?))))
    But why bother to bring the station out of orbit and sink on Earth? Would be sent to deep space, let him fly ... Maybe someone will settle smile
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 15 March 2018 11: 21
      +2
      All at once will bark at providing fuel and a pusher for this.
      And then ... do not rule out the possibility of copywriting when it is intercepted in deep space ... We have such people on Earth ...
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 11: 56
      +3
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      Sent to deep space, let’s fly ...

      is it humor or ignorance of the laws of physics and not understanding the topic?
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 15 March 2018 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        is it humor or ignorance of the laws of physics and not understanding the topic?

        Yes, like Archivist Vasya was never distinguished by deep ignorance. Apparently, humor, but introducing techies into a stupor.
        But beautiful!
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 15 March 2018 11: 16
    +4
    three modules that will ensure autonomy in terms of energy, engines, communication systems and life support, the work of the Russian segment,
    That is, our segment will become autonomous as part of the station, or ... "disengage"? Painful words about the engines are alarming ... Such a separation of the station may become unique ..
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 15 March 2018 11: 55
      +2
      That’s as soon as I’ll immediately be happy with everyone and be proud of our country, science, PEOPLE !!!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Painful words about the engines are alarming ...

      it’s like a “braggit”, the main thing is that the rest, like the EU, would not require money for budding
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2018 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Painful words about the engines are alarming ...

      Engines for adjusting the orbit and position have always been there.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 15 March 2018 12: 11
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Painful words about the engines are alarming ...

        Engines for adjusting the orbit and position have always been there.

        General use, so to speak. And here we are talking about separate for the Russian segment and therefore this issue is not clear to me ..
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 March 2018 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      three modules that will ensure autonomy in terms of energy, engines, communication systems and life support, the work of the Russian segment,
      That is, our segment will become autonomous as part of the station, or ... "disengage"? Painful words about the engines are alarming ... Such a separation of the station may become unique ..
      It seems that the ultimate goal of the project is maximum autonomy and complete independence from the vagaries of the "partners", which is absolutely true.
  5. tchoni
    tchoni 15 March 2018 11: 20
    +1
    I didn’t understand: we undock for good, or just lift up the bulkheads
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 15 March 2018 11: 27
      +6
      No, let’s start the “Newbie” first, and then we will kill the bulkheads laughing
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 15 March 2018 11: 58
        +5
        Quote: Ushly_bashkort
        No, let’s start the “Newbie” first, and then we will kill the bulkheads laughing

        We are not repeating ourselves!
        Let them "The Whisperer" and batten down the hatches)))
        PS.
        Special thanks for the "sponsorship" from the Russian Orthodox Church!)))
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 March 2018 11: 59
      +4
      Quote: tchoni
      or just bully bulkheads

      pull the thorn, put the towers with machine guns and put the dogs on a chain laughing
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2018 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: tchoni
      I didn’t understand: we undock for good, or just lift up the bulkheads

      We undress when the “partners” are in their segment, let them get home on the way. laughing
  6. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 March 2018 11: 44
    +3
    Well, of course, our space station needs to be left and still increased for laboratory research. Mermek seems to have a desire to secede and create, under its auspices, the ISS. It would be better for an arrogant and exclusive creature to be a beater in Russia. But in vain, the Russians are famous for their devotion and good nature, did not infringe on our other partners in space in anything. And if we were on the spot of the Merikans, the latter would have shown us in every way their exclusivity and ill-neighborliness on the American ISS.
  7. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 15 March 2018 11: 45
    +2
    For how many years our Science module has been trying to launch .... and here as many as three modules, by 2021, looks more like science fiction) if these three modules will be done by the GKNPC them. Khrunicheva (and one of them is the campaign "Science") is not a fact that we will see these modules on time. Maybe, of course, Khrunichev will have time to send science by this time, given how many years they have been developing it, but the other two modules ... it is doubtful.

    1. slipped
      slipped 15 March 2018 13: 18
      +2
      MLM-U "Science" in the process of completion, UM "Berth" has already been done - in storage, NEM is done, by the end of the 20th will be done.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 15 March 2018 14: 17
        +1
        Yes, it would be faster, according to the initial plans, Science should have been sent back in 2007, then the deadlines were shifted and now it’s 2018. I can’t believe in fairy tales when they launch it and it will be possible to rejoice, but for now just words.
        1. slipped
          slipped 15 March 2018 18: 56
          0
          Why don’t you wait for this launch? Sverbit? Will fly when done. A rocket for him has already been ordered.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 15 March 2018 19: 59
            +1
            If I fly, I’ll only be glad, but upon the launch itself, I would like to see the new Russian modules in orbit, there’s nothing to hide, and your comment “Swings?” at least disrespect for the interlocutor. Or is it from the truth about the launch dates that makes you so sad? Well this is reality, let's judge by real deeds, not words.
            1. slipped
              slipped 17 March 2018 15: 44
              0
              This truth does not shake me in terms of launch for one reason - I know for sure why it does not fly, okay? Flies when the time comes.
  8. Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 15 March 2018 11: 54
    +1
    Yes, close the bulkheads, to let merikans into the toilet only through open space or for currency! wassat
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 March 2018 14: 06
      +1
      Americans will make their orbital base. Bigelow is already working on this. Partially conducting experiments on the ISS.

      The main feature - an unprecedented amount of interior space, due to the inflatable system. Conventional rockets (the same Falcon or Atlas) will be able to display high-density modules - which will open in orbit and give the diameter of the block inaccessible for output by any existing rocket today. Actually, more people can live there or bring in more scientific equipment (after opening in orbit, on a truck).


      1. slipped
        slipped 15 March 2018 19: 03
        0
        Ours also do this for the new station, here is one of the layouts
      2. Cetron
        Cetron 15 March 2018 19: 08
        +1
        A piece of space debris or dust at speed, and the US sell-off is over. They tried to open a mirror of reflective fabric, a few days later it was torn to shreds.
  9. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 15 March 2018 14: 17
    0
    Quote: Dimontius
    Have a conscience !!!! Maybe it’s better to double invest in the economy? Enough of mega projects already ... Sochi, the World Cup, Vostochny, the collider, the lunar program with China, this is certainly cool guys. But incomes of individuals fall 4 years. And you won’t raise them with any shining stars! We need a mega project in the economy, jobs in the country - 0! Not all are so smart engineers, scientists, techies. The vast majority of ordinary people, they need work. And not your endless space programs and Izhi with them. Developed for defense now, * opa is covered - it means it's time to slow down! sad

    What are you? But this is not an investment in the economy? In the long run! It would not have promised dividends, if you had not seen Merikos there ...
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  11. Old26
    Old26 15 March 2018 21: 09
    +1
    Quote: ZVO
    Why 4 years ago I bought a cubic meter of boards for 6 thousand rubles. and now he's already 9?

    Because, as Antokha said, the economy is developing no less .... crying

    Quote: mac789
    It's not about the oligarchs. The point is in the orbital station. Russia, oh, how come in handy. And in the near future.

    First you need to solve the question - WHAT IS IT NEEDED FOR?. If you conduct scientific experiments, then almost all the equipment is in the western (American) segment. Further, all these actions require very high energy consumption. Now the total power consumption at the station is more than 110 kW (the maximum that American solar panels can give is 260 kW). Of which the Russian segment provides about 17 kW. This issue must also be addressed.
    Their main high-tech equipment is such that they do not pass through Russian hatches. Larger hatches on their ships, as we will have on the Federation. The question is whether we can launch these several modules in real time. They have been trying to launch “Science” for so long that they are now forced to change everything related to electrical equipment and communications, all these gaskets, and so on.

    Quote: Archivist Vasya
    The name for the Russian station when they begin to choose?))))
    But why bother to bring the station out of orbit and sink on Earth? Would be sent to deep space, let him fly ... Maybe someone will settle smile

    Choose a name - just spit. The main thing that was what can be called a station

    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    General use, so to speak. And here we are talking about separate for the Russian segment and therefore this issue is not clear to me ..

    engines of course there are. On modules STAR и ZARA. On the "Dawn"two marching 450 kg of thrust each (plus 36 engines with a thrust of a dozen or two kg for sykovki). STAR there are also two marching ones, but with a thrust of 300 kg each and small thrusts of 36 to 13 kg). However, the issue with the ZARYA module remains to be resolved. He did it with us, but with American money and in fact (legally) is the property of the Americans. Also a question.

    Further, all the high-speed equipment for transmitting data to the ground is in the American segment. In case of undocking, ours will have to transfer data to the ground on disks. Internet is also on the American segment

    So it’s not so simple - picked up and undocked

    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: tchoni
    I didn’t understand: we undock for good, or just lift up the bulkheads

    We undress when the “partners” are in their segment, let them get home on the way. laughing

    Nothing will survive. Of the 15 modules, 10 of them, there are many places. Trucks come to them anyway, and the weight of some is 2-3 times greater than on our Progresses. Will survive. set a record of stay in space, but survive. But the fact that they pay us for the creation of a certain number of ships and carriers (EMNIP in the Energy report was 5), then the number of ships we will sharply decrease ... Energy-cat wept. It is not known who will be worse at the same time.

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    Yes, close the bulkheads, to let merikans into the toilet only through open space or for currency! wassat

    And they have their own ...