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Does Ukrainian gas transit put to zero?

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Gazprom chairman Alexei Miller, having met with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev this week, said whether the company intends to terminate contracts with the Ukrainian Naftogaz, and if so, when exactly. According to Alexey Miller, the contract gap cannot be immediate, since a whole range of (bureaucratic) procedures must be observed, and therefore the contract will be terminated not earlier than 2019 of the year.


With such a statement, which was mostly addressed to Ukrainian and European “partners” rather than to the Russian prime minister, Gazprom makes it clear that, in fact, it does not intend to terminate the current contract before its expiration date. The fact is that the contract concluded in 2009 and for which, by the way, Yulia Tymoshenko has already managed to “sit down,” ends exactly in 2019, 31 in December.

The meaning of the statement is also that Ukraine is indirectly asked a question: what are you, a “friend”, going to do if gas supplies and gas transit, which, we must not forget, are also provided by the contract, also stop? The gap (or termination) of the contract implies a complete lack of prospects for virtually the entire Ukrainian economy. But who cares about it today at all? ..

For only one transit of Russian gas (even without taking into account the “anti-aggressor” theft from a pipe), Ukraine earns from 1 to 2 billion UAH per year. Today, Kiev is trying to beg for smaller sums from the IMF, but the IMF simply “drops” calls, each time answering in absentia that a number of conditions of the International Monetary Fund are not fulfilled in Ukraine.

In 2015 and 2016, the level of transit of Russian gas to Europe through the gas transportation system of Ukraine was approximately 67 billion cubic meters. This is more than impressive transit volumes, which Ukraine could have saved if it had at least some state subjectivity. Instead of subjectivity today - a monkey with a pipe. What are the guarantees for the supplier and the buyer of “blue fuel”? - a thing absolutely unpredictable. And therefore, behind the scenes, both the supplier and the European buyer are interested in the fact that in the presence of a monkey with a pipe, this very pipe would be empty.

It is clear that in the old Europe, no one recognizes this openly, nor does it openly admit that they would have long been happy to cut the ribbon on the Nord Stream-2, and then at least the grass in Ukraine does not grow. But at the same time, they understand that this evil, maidan-afflicted organism, which is also deprived of the main energy source, can rush in a westerly direction. This organism doesn’t care what direction to shout about “protecting the civilized world”, if only the floods flowed against the background of the total cut of the remaining under-sawn assets. They do not flow by themselves - they will beg, crawl on their knees, smeared with mud and shit, it does not matter - with Russian or European passports in their hands as “proof of aggression” - perhaps someone will regret it.

Now Ukraine has a chance. It is associated with several factors. The first: the desire of the West (first of all, the United States, of course) to use the Ukrainian plague territory to weaken Russia (which, at least, has been happening in recent years). The second is a suspension with transit for Gazprom itself, which would have said long ago, “drown with dung fish,” but there is currently no alternative to the Ukrainian transit. Moreover, the second (concern of Gazprom) is a more significant factor, since Europe, for a long time, to put it mildly, looks askance not only at Ukraine, but also at the United States, which, demanding support from the EU (including in Ukraine), they themselves, in fact, frankly turn to master-vassal relations. Take at least the recent gift of Trump in the form of increased duties on European metals. There he got to the Ukrainian as well, but the master is not going to deal with the degree of vassal in this situation. Only blind obedience!

Here we recall such an important nuance for Ukraine as the statement of Hyuga Mingarelli (EU representative for Kiev). Mingarelli actually made it clear to Ukraine that it has the ability to save transit in virtually all cases for itself: to attract European companies to manage the Ukrainian gas transportation system. At the same time, it was also a signal to Gazprom: if the CTS at least partially passes into the hands of European companies, then a) Ukraine will not be able to steal gas, b) Ukraine will not be able to blackmail those who from both ends of the pipe and, as a result, ) you, in Gazprom, could save the gas route to Europe through Ukrainian territory.

Does Ukrainian gas transit put to zero?


Several months have passed since that announcement, but the situation has not progressed much. It is clear why. In "Naftogaz" understand that as soon as the signature on the document on the agreement with European companies will be delivered, so goodbye to the total control over the transit. At the very least, it will be necessary to work more thoroughly with statements both in the direction of Gazprom and in the direction of the EU. This is not so "fun" for a monkey with a pipe, because the pipe will be firmly held on both sides - it’s not particularly frolicking ...

In such a situation, Gazprom decided to sustain the Mkhatov pause also because the appeal was filed by the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. This arbitration, as is known, obliged the Russian company to pay 2,56 billion dollars to Naftogaz. There is a pause here, rather, for the Europeans - on the subject of whether such insinuations of various European courts will be repeated if Gazprom nevertheless agrees to keep the Ukrainian transit even after 2019 of the year? If Stockholm insists on the payment, then the chances for the Ukrainian GTS will remain slim - only bypassing, only hardcore!

Thus, a combination of several components can save Ukrainian transit of Russian gas in more or less serious volumes: positive (in relation to Gazprom), a decision on appeal to the verdict of the Stockholm arbitration and access with European companies directly to the Ukrainian pipe (albeit with the participation of "Naftogaz") - so as not to tyril.

Against this background, Naftogaz agreed to enter into negotiations with Gazprom to terminate the contract. A real “surprise” for both the Ukrainian people and the Europeans will be if Naftogaz itself, under pressure from “friends from Washington”, agrees to terminate the contract, and then shout a good word about the fact that its pipe is empty, and for that give compensation ... That is, the Ukrainian bet on "zero"?
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 March 2018 07: 02
    +12
    So will they build the Nord Stream -2 or not? They’ll freeze ... Whoever was in Germany knows how they save on heating and hot water. The apartments are really chilly, even if the windows have a slight minus. What is there "green energy"! That's all - Merkel’s statements for the “green” ... Coalition, damn it ...
    1. Vard
      Vard 15 March 2018 07: 35
      +19
      Relatives from Germany come every year ... And every year the same thing ... They say ... You do not save! In my house in the winter. The temperature is 25 and they have 16 .... Of course, they are somewhere right ... But they don’t want to freeze purely ....
      1. staviator
        staviator 15 March 2018 13: 13
        +8
        I was always amazed why in Western films couples fell in my soul. And why not blame it if the bathroom is +3 C. tongue
    2. Evdokim
      Evdokim 15 March 2018 07: 40
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So will they build the Nord Stream -2 or not? They’ll freeze.

      Well, to hell with them sado-masochists. laughing
      1. The black
        The black 15 March 2018 10: 19
        +3
        The result of all this turmoil in gas transit will be the sale of the Ukrainian gas transportation system to Europeans. This is bound to happen. This is the only way for Ukraine to receive Russian gas through the so-called reverse from Slovakia .... After the launch of SP-2 there will be no “reverse”, because it does not exist de facto. Gazprom will stupidly stop pumping gas through Ukraine .... If Europeans "privatize" the Ukrainian gas transportation system, then it is quite possible that gas will continue to go through this pipe to Slovakia, partially settling along the so-called reverse laughing in Ukraine
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper 15 March 2018 11: 20
          +5
          GTS literally rotted. It must be restored! And Europeans are unlikely to give their Europeans this.
        2. Cube123
          Cube123 15 March 2018 11: 26
          +5
          Quote: Black
          The result of all this turmoil in gas transit will be the sale of the Ukrainian gas transportation system to Europeans. This is bound to happen.

          For the Ukrainian population this is death. The GTS is not only transit to Europe. This is the wiring for consumers within Ukraine. This means that the price of gas for them will immediately become pan-European, and this is not only the collapse of the population with their incomes, but also the collapse of the remnants of industry, which will become absolutely uncompetitive.
          1. Antares
            Antares 15 March 2018 20: 46
            0
            Quote: Cube123
            This means that the price of gas for them will immediately become pan-European, and this is not only the collapse of the population with their incomes, but also the collapse of the remnants of industry, which will become absolutely uncompetitive.

            and what is the price now? Is it not European + delivery from the hub in Europe? (This is the reverse one that does not leave Ukraine)
            They sell their 20 billion at cost three times cheaper in the same way as Western European with a delivery price from there! Well, 14 billion reverse and others, of course, at the price of the purchased.
            Is it a joke to make Naftogaz a profitable company for the year?
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 15 March 2018 21: 11
              +2
              Quote: Antares
              and what is the price now? Is it not European + delivery from the hub in Europe? (This is the reverse one that does not leave Ukraine)

              Do not confuse the purchase price and the final price for consumers
              https://maanimo.com/indexes/140703-tarify-na-gaz-
              dlya-naseleniya-v-ukraine "Gas tariffs for the population in Ukraine"

              "Gas tariff for the population from April 1, 2018
              It is not yet known which methodology will be chosen for calculating the cost of gas from 01.04.2018/187/22. At the moment, the gas price is determined by the formulas in accordance with Cabinet Decision No. 2017 of March 1, 2017, and uses the principle: calculating the gas price at the import parity for the period from October 1, 2018 to April 12, 2016 for the settlement period, is 2017 calendar months to months of the calculation (June XNUMX - May XNUMX).
              If the calculation will take the formula and methodology from the current regulation, the price of gas may increase by 15-20%, while the government claims that the maximum price increase will be 8%. "

              Here is a curious picture "Retail gas prices in the EU and Ukraine
              January 2016, UAH per cubic meter "
        3. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 15 March 2018 11: 37
          +2
          the average depreciation of the Ukrainian gas transportation system is more than 85% + it is not clear what transit is after 2019, so the value of the Ukrainian gas transportation system for investors / purchases is still in question
        4. BNVSurgut
          BNVSurgut 15 March 2018 15: 27
          0
          There is information that the Ukrainian government announced a tender for the organization of the privatization of the GTS, it was won by the company Rotshild. Even a person has been appointed who will do this Paolo Scaroni, a former top manager of several European energy companies. So there is the prospect of selling the transit part of the pipe, and branches for the population, etc., you understand, they are unprofitable.
          Here is the source http://geoenergetics.ru/2018/03/05/novyj-vitok-ko
          nflikta-gazproma-i-naftogaza /
          Almost at the end of the article
    3. Vend
      Vend 15 March 2018 08: 58
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So will they build the Nord Stream -2 or not? Nafig will freeze ....
      So this is their own business. No one is stopping the EU from doing honest business without political twists.
    4. watchmaker
      watchmaker 15 March 2018 11: 41
      +6
      for some reason I’m sure that when the Russian Federation can afford to tighten the screws in gas supplies to Europe, and set a price slightly lower, and not by orders of magnitude, than that of other suppliers, then consumers in Europe will start to move ..... In the meantime, Russia is persuading them to buy gas from it is not expensive, they will twist their 360-degree fiddles and listen to the West and other sharpies ..... Ukraine has already turned around ..... The impression is that the more expensive, the better for her ..... There was no expensive gas from Russia, now the same gas, but reverse from Europe, there was good coal for not expensive from the Donbass, now shit from South Africa is expensive ...... And this Poroshenko calls achievement. ......... So I think Europe should be given the opportunity to buy expensive liquefied gas from the United States in order to have a real understanding of what is good and what is bad ...... But it should arise, first of all, from the population those countries whose government has brought matters to such decisions ..... I'm just sure when the people, thanks its officials, dancing to the tune of the West, will begin to pay a lot more for gas from the United States, then it will come to an understanding of what to do and how ........................ ......................
      .
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 15 March 2018 13: 31
        0
        Quote: watchmaker
        So I think Europe should be given the opportunity to buy expensive liquefied gas from the United States

        Yes, we have already purchased and the system in the ports for the acceptance of LNG has been rebuilt, only persistent rumors are that the brought American LNG is actually Russian ...

        Well, think for yourself, why drive an LNG tanker through a Puddle? If you can fill it out here and cheaply fill in and sell it right there at an expensive price?
        1. watchmaker
          watchmaker 15 March 2018 14: 26
          0
          maybe so, business is basically done, bought for cheaper, and then suckers, around the corner, sold for more expensive ... The only thing I would like for Russia to be welded to a greater extent, but for that it’s just you need to sell a little more expensive, but "suckers" have to buy anyway, from the alternative they themselves have "disowned", who is the doctor?
  2. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 07: 33
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    So will they build the Nord Stream -2 or not? They’ll freeze.

    -----------------------------------
    Do not freeze, they still have Opal ...
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 15 March 2018 11: 35
      +3
      OPAL is an onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline through Germany, delivering gas from Russia to the EU countries, bypassing transit countries
  3. reibert
    reibert 15 March 2018 08: 14
    0
    For the money, you can be clever)))
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 15 March 2018 08: 17
    +6
    Or heed the EU’s call for diversification of gas suppliers ... sluggishly continue to do business with SP-2 and keeping pace in Turkish, cutting supplies through Ukraine ... diversify, your request is granted ... hawk tolerant, just don’t choke. Liquefied terminals ... yes, they have no bandwidth ... there aren’t so many gas carriers in nature ... and building them for more than one year as well as terminals ... considering this depends on the weather, this is far from the best option. The amount of gas supplied through the pipe will drop, the amount of liquefied gas will increase ... the main peak of consumption is winter ... how many gas carriers are needed ... ??? in order to solve the problem promptly, it will be necessary for everyone at once, this is not a pipe where the valve was opened a bit and the question was solved ... the peak will pass they still need to be kept in the off-season, so the price tag for transportation will skyrocket. But Russia itself will be violet ... the factories in Yamal and Sakhalin need to be loaded with work ... you look there they will launch a couple of ... use Europe.
  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 15 March 2018 08: 21
    +1
    So will they build the Nord Stream -2 or not?

    Answer: no, they won’t.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 March 2018 08: 42
      +4
      Already build - without it, no matter how.
    2. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 15 March 2018 11: 01
      0
      so then they are slowly building it and by the way Poland is building an alternative gas pipeline
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 18 March 2018 11: 16
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Answer: no, they won’t.

      Blessed is he who believes, warmth in the world.
      They like us to reduce the light with a wedge ... laughing
      Type: Well, there is SP-1, you need SP_-2.
      Is he really needed? SP_1 how much is loaded? Huh?
      Maybe UP is enough?
      And the non-volatility charter, what does it say?
      In general, we stock up on popcorn ...
  6. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 15 March 2018 09: 06
    +5
    Aha ha! As I wrote, the main thing for Gazprom is that it drops laughing That will feed Ukraine from our pockets and give reparations for SP-2. It is possible that by the time the SP-2 is commissioned, the situation will be such that Gazprom will not be able to pump gas through it! Alas! And the money is paid.
  7. BAI
    BAI 15 March 2018 09: 12
    +2
    the desire of the West (primarily the United States, of course) to use the Ukrainian plague territory to weaken Russia (which, at least in attempts, has been happening all the last time).

    America will NEVER give up control of Ukraine, no matter how much it costs. FOR ITS COSTS FROM RESTORING THE GLOBAL STATUS OF RUSSIA MUCH ABOVE. And the restoration of Russia's global status will begin with the restoration of control over Ukraine. This is understandable both to Europe and the United States, which, despite the existence of their own contradictions, equally consider it the most important task to prevent the strengthening of Russia by restoring its influence in Ukraine and joining its territorial potential to the potential of Russia.
  8. Cop
    Cop 15 March 2018 10: 35
    +2
    All Russian gas exports to non-CIS countries is one big scam for an ordinary Russian. He receives about 300 tons of dollars a year from export. But Mr. Miller and the company, along with the Ukrainians, were simply embittered on theft. If Gazprom, in the person of Mr. Miller, signs a new transit agreement, this is a real wreck. Russia needs to abandon most of its exports, especially to Europe, and focus on FULL gasification of the country. If he does not, then this will be real sabotage. But the author should write about this, and not about the conditions under which Gazprom, in the person of its leaders, will continue to fill pockets to the detriment of Russian disabled people, pensioners, state employees ......
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 15 March 2018 10: 54
      +5
      When a person writes about the FULL (tearfully) gasification of the country, this is a person who vaguely imagines that he generally writes!
      If Russia refuses to deliver gas to Europe, then Germany will become a colony without industry.
      Russian disabled people, pensioners, state employees I’m glad that you care about Russian problems, but before you do the writing., take an interest in who and how the budget of the Russian Federation is filled from which all these categories are paid and the number of these categories! I hope you are also worried about senior citizens of other countries!
      other Your naive nonsense there is no desire to comment!
      About 300 dollars a year in vain they wrote a round civre - people will not believe. you need something but like 324 dollars, and 456 cents!
      but what does the dollar have to do with it if we live in Russia?
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 15 March 2018 11: 23
        +5
        Add - Gazprom is responsible for the HIGHWAY. Gazprom is not obliged and should not bring a half-inch tube with a pressure of 200 mm to the hut of the woman Mani. This is the matter of local authorities.
        1. Cop
          Cop 15 March 2018 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: sxfRipper
          Add - Gazprom is responsible for the HIGHWAY. Gazprom is not obliged and should not bring a half-inch tube with a pressure of 200 mm to the hut of the woman Mani. This is the matter of local authorities.

          Well, of course ... An organized crime group by the name of Gazprom is imprisoned for another (see pictures a bit below) But my mother must deal with the local Vasya Pupkin, this is not a millionaire case. Is not it?
        2. BAI
          BAI 15 March 2018 13: 29
          +2
          this is a local matter

          This is the business of the local Mezhregiongaz.
      2. Cop
        Cop 15 March 2018 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: K.A.S.
        When a person writes about the FULL (tearfully) gasification of the country, this is a person who vaguely imagines that he generally writes!

        Is that true? Here, the guys of Mr. Miller asked my mom for connecting 120000 rubles to his "possession". At that time, in terms of dollars, it was about $ 2500. What do you think, how many households can be connected to the money that Gazprom laid out for the construction of SP-1, SP-2, TP, etc.?
        Quote: K.A.S.
        If Russia refuses to deliver gas to Europe, then Germany will become a colony without industry.

        Yeah ... however. Well, firstly, I don’t care what Germany becomes there. And secondly, it will quickly find a replacement for "Gasprom", and Germany is simply choking on the "green" energy. It already now receives approximately 33% of its energy from renewable sources.
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Russian disabled people, pensioners, public sector employees are glad that you care about Russian problems, but before you do any writing, ask who and how the Russian budget is being filled from which all these categories are paid and the number of these categories!

        Well, you go at least here: https://ria.ru/economy/20151024/1307575320.html
        Here the truth is the data for 2016 and calculate the specific indicator (I hope you do not need to explain what it is). And for some reason vague doubts torment me that you will get a result very close to what you voiced yourself .... Better yet, open the RBC Daily newspaper No. 040_ (2764) on 06.03.2018/29,2/XNUMX. There it is written for people like you: "Last year, the mining industry (coal, oil, gas, metal ores, etc.) provided XNUMX% of the tax revenues of the consolidated budget."
        other Your naive nonsense there is no desire to comment!

        Well, then why comment?
        About 300 dollars a year in vain they wrote a round civre - people will not believe. you need something but like 324 dollars, and 456 cents!

        Now, if you go to the link that I indicated and calculate the specific indicator, then I think you will get a result very close to yours ...., try .., you'll find out a lot of interesting .....
        but what does the dollar have to do with it if we live in Russia?

        Did I bring them into circulation?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 15 March 2018 14: 12
          +1
          Dreaming is harmful; it distracts from real life problems. No one will ever build for your money. Your naivety is good fun.
          1. Cop
            Cop 16 March 2018 00: 46
            +1
            Quote: Victor N
            Your naivety is good fun.

            And I thought it was justice .... And then you really get gas for your money?
        2. ruslann004
          ruslann004 17 March 2018 12: 41
          0
          I'm just surprised at the stupidity of people! He calculated 29,2% of tax revenues ...
          It’s true that one’s mind is not enough to ask one question, Russia's budget consists of 60% of oil and gas revenues, but what about 29,2%?
          In my opinion, I already wrote to you about your bullshit for $ 300 ....
          1. Cop
            Cop 18 March 2018 14: 38
            +1
            Quote: ruslann004
            ..... He counted.

            Why is he that?
            It’s true that one’s mind is not enough to ask one question, Russia's budget consists of 60% of oil and gas revenues, but what about 29,2%?

            Here are the authors of the articles the links to which I cited, studied well and did not skip classes at school ... Therefore, their articles are distinguished by strong argumentation and correct conclusions. It looks like you spent your school days in the basement in an embrace with the Moment glue. From here, probably, up to 60 percent intoxication is still possible .... You would turn to a specialist or at least to the primary sources ....
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 59
      +4
      Quote: Cop
      But Mr. Miller and the company, along with the Ukrainians, were simply embittered by theft

      you're wrong - Miller, this is Putin’s national treasure
      1. Cop
        Cop 15 March 2018 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Cop
        But Mr. Miller and the company, along with the Ukrainians, were simply embittered by theft

        you're wrong - Miller, this is Putin’s national treasure

        If you write a word of three letters on the fence, will there not be firewood behind the fence?
    3. 97110
      97110 15 March 2018 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: Cop
      and focus on FULL country gasification

      Are you from France so you see? Be careful, there are unpleasant incidents with people. Either the brains fail, then the bladder does not hold ... So yours begins ...
      1. Cop
        Cop 16 March 2018 00: 51
        +1
        Quote: 97110
        Quote: Cop
        and focus on FULL country gasification

        ...... then the bladder does not hold ...

        Yes, do not worry about my bladder, I do not suffer from cystitis. You better collect money for gesheft naftogaz. No Lesha will fork out .....
        1. 97110
          97110 16 March 2018 10: 10
          0
          Quote: Cop
          You better collect money for gesheft naftogaz.

          Have you already collected the macron on his grandmother?
          1. Cop
            Cop 16 March 2018 10: 29
            +1
            Quote: 97110
            Quote: Cop
            You better collect money for gesheft naftogaz.

            Have you already collected the macron on his grandmother?

            And what does his grandmother cost as much as the decision of the arbitral tribunal?
            1. 97110
              97110 16 March 2018 12: 52
              0
              Quote: Cop
              And that his grandmother costs the same

              When such a macho holds on to her with both hands, it probably costs more ...
              1. Cop
                Cop 16 March 2018 22: 58
                +1
                Quote: 97110
                Quote: Cop
                And that his grandmother costs the same

                When such a macho holds on to her with both hands, it probably costs more ...

                Well then, it's time for us to change, we are your grandmother, well, and you, respectively, are the monetary equivalent of a court decision .....
                1. 97110
                  97110 17 March 2018 10: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Cop
                  Well then, it's time for us to change

                  Do not rush, agree with the Arab woman who moved to France - they are able to absorb the sums left from France from the Mistral trade. France does not have money, therefore you consider strangers with rapture.
                  1. Cop
                    Cop 17 March 2018 11: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: 97110
                    Quote: Cop
                    Well then, it's time for us to change

                    Do not rush, check with the Arab woman who moved to France.

                    But will they be against it? And then, in your opinion, how much do you master .... proud Chechen, Ingush, Dagestan and Ossetian and other peoples?
                    .... consider strangers with rapture.

                    Why is someone else's? Did someone deprive me of citizenship?
                    1. 97110
                      97110 17 March 2018 13: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: Cop
                      Did someone deprive me of citizenship?

                      Well, someone on your behalf writes under a funny flag. Aren't you?
                      1. Cop
                        Cop 18 March 2018 14: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: 97110
                        Quote: Cop
                        Did someone deprive me of citizenship?

                        Well, someone on your behalf writes under a funny flag. Aren't you?

                        Well, who can write on my behalf? I always write from my own ... But if you know who does this, you must, as a law-abiding citizen, inform the law enforcement bodies of Russia. A funny flag? And you ask this question to the site admin. I think he will satisfy your curiosity ... Well, but I hope you ....
    4. neofit962
      neofit962 19 March 2018 11: 22
      0
      It’s violet to me, how is it SP1, SP2, Ukraine’s GTS. In Siberia, having gas heating is a luxury. Coal, firewood, soot, ash, smog - that's all for us ...
  9. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 11: 36
    +1
    Quote: ArikKhab
    OPAL is an onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline through Germany, delivering gas from Russia to the EU countries, bypassing transit countries

    -----------------------------
    I’m talking about this, Ukraine provides transit to the south of the European Union.
  10. Curious
    Curious 15 March 2018 15: 01
    +1
    It would be faster if all the "northern and southern" streams were built. This is only for the benefit of Ukraine. Then the annual Gazpromshow will be played by Germans and Turks, they will either clap their hands, or, more likely, the Gazpromteater will slam sharply with this “show” and it will end there.
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 15 March 2018 15: 52
      +4
      put you a plus, it will really benefit Ukraine !!! And not only to it, it will benefit everyone! both Germans and Turks and Russians!
      Just as the refusal of transit benefited her, the loss of the Russian market benefited, just as the loss of Crimea and Donbass benefited, she also benefited from receiving MFV loans, and it would also be beneficial if all Ukrainian guest workers were collected and sent to the homeland !!!!! so much more to do what is good!
      I just can’t understand! Now gas is supplied to Europe. and after the opening of the flows it will also come to the same Europe, but there will be no intermediary, who, on command from the authorities, can leave Europe without gas, and Russia without money! In your opinion, gas will not go to Europe without Ukraine?
      They slam sharply about it: here is love with interest, both participants knowing what they will receive and what will happen if they squint! You wrote that Ukrainians parasitizing on a pipe defends the interests of Europe. and only thanks to her the Germans will not slam !!!!
      1. Curious
        Curious 15 March 2018 18: 50
        +1
        "I just can’t understand!" is the key phrase of your comment. But do not worry, there are a lot of people like you. Thanks for the plus.
        1. K.A.S.
          K.A.S. 15 March 2018 19: 25
          +2
          always welcome, but you have not read the sequel: In your opinion, gas will not go to Europe without Ukraine? , What is happening in your country and between our countries, not only many Russians do not understand, but also the inhabitants of Ukraine can not really explain!
          I’ll simplify (what you called a key phrase): do you (few of whom) really think that Germany and Russia will not agree if there is no intermediary (and even this)?
          1. Curious
            Curious 15 March 2018 19: 42
            +1
            "In your gas will not go to Europe without Ukraine?". Where did you find such stupidity in me? And where is my idea that Germany and Russia will not agree? Of course they’ll agree. And the gas went, goes and will go. You won’t close the gas well. Where is the gas - to blow the whistle. Imagine how much such a whistle will stand.
            Simply, Ukraine will not participate in this process. And the process will take on a completely different look. Since the Germans vyzhivatsya "Gazprom" makes no sense in every sense (sorry for the tautology).
            And the events between Russia and Ukraine, if you try to understand using a TV, then, of course, figs that you understand. On TV - there is a struggle of the forces of light with legions of darkness. Moreover, each side exposes itself as elves, opponents - orcs. How can I understand that?
            As for the current Gazprom show - in a month, I think everyone will forget about it. They will turn their attention to something else. Next, let's see.
            1. K.A.S.
              K.A.S. 15 March 2018 21: 34
              +2
              In general, I agree with you, I probably misunderstood the content of your comment!
              I put you another plus! Of course, this loss of gas transit will not replace, but at least something good from the Russian!
              1. Curious
                Curious 15 March 2018 22: 21
                +1
                Theoretically, this should happen sooner or later (transit termination). Whether this happens in practice - I would not rush. Here, as in a joke - there are nuances. Time will tell.
  11. turbris
    turbris 15 March 2018 15: 45
    +2
    It is necessary to sharply tear off the fucking cub from the boobs, otherwise the milk will go bad. It is necessary to completely abandon gas transit through Ukraine, regardless of whether additional flows are built. The EU must be fully confident that after the expiration of the agreements with Ukraine, no new agreements will be concluded. Otherwise, all this will continue indefinitely, attempts to shift the content of Ukraine to Russia are the cherished dream of the West. Therefore, frank blackmail by the West of Russia over the supply of pipeline gas is now observed, can it be time to declare the possibility of a sharp reduction in gas supplies due to the termination of transit through Ukraine after 2019? Let then they decide whether they need additional flows or not.
  12. NF68
    NF68 15 March 2018 16: 06
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    So will they build the Nord Stream -2 or not?


    Nobody refused to build the SP-2.
  13. Antares
    Antares 15 March 2018 21: 00
    +3
    How many Russia and Ukraine exist so many episodes of the series Gazprom + Naftogaz = Love / Money
    In the process, each side wins something over the second, the second plays out on its television, prophesies the troubles of the second and again ... and so for 3 decades ..
    Santa Barbara is a local spill. But why should viewers of two sides have hatred for viewers of the other side and vice versa?
    Nothing but hatred for each other depends on our audience sympathies and antipathies!
    Naftogaz will win at Gazprom at least the entire Russian Federation - the price of gas for the population of Ukraine will increase. On the contrary, the price of gas for the Russian Federation will increase (and of course gasoline is just for the company)
    Analysts write about the show, about breakthroughs ... but all this is not for us ... we are spectators in this theater of the absurdity of politics and big money.
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 15 March 2018 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: Antares
      But that's why the viewers of two sides have hatred for the viewers of the other side and vice versa

      only viewers of one of the parties. selflessly sent SMS to the war with the audience another! for some reason I’m sure that the commentators from Ukraine present at the VO also did not stand aside from this noble cause!
      Also, many of these viewers poured water from their relatives from Russia, and when they pressed, they started talking about the brotherhood!
      I'm tired of explaining about the price of gasoline, what do you need, what a local grief for economists !!
      don't be offended that a little rude!