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What responsibility in different countries is provided for ignoring elections

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Information Agency RIA News cites the report of Alexander Kobrinsky, a member of the expert council of the CEC of the Russian Federation, on how one could solve the problem of apathy of a certain percentage of citizens of the country in relation to elections. We are talking about the presence of a relatively stable percentage group of citizens of the country who “fundamentally” do not go to the polling stations, claiming no confidence in one or another political force or the electoral system itself.


Kobrinsky believes that the problem could be solved by revising the voter's age limit, as well as by imposing fines for not participating in the voting without a good reason.

In the material RIA News Examples are given of a number of foreign countries in which the practice of accountability of citizens who do not attend polling stations and ignore the institution of elections is used.

What responsibility in different countries is provided for ignoring elections


In particular, the responsibility of varying degrees for non-attendance is provided for both in countries with a so-called developed democracy, and where the level of democracy is usually called “lagging”. Speech about Greece, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Turkey, Germany, Luxembourg, Egypt, Bulgaria, Pakistan, Brazil, etc.

So in Australia For more than 90 for years, there has been a law under which a person’s non-participation in voting for a disrespectful reason (for example, illness) is imposed. It makes about 13 dollars. Considerable funds that are “recruited” in the end with those that failed to appear at the ballot box go to the state treasury.

And, for example, in Luxembourg the fine is approximately 70 euro for the first non-appearance and three times more for the next. Moreover, by a court decision, a resident of Luxembourg may be deprived of the right to vote for one or another term, and a ban on the civil service is also imposed.

Belgian the law says that if a person “skipped” the election four times, then he is deprived of the right to vote for 10 years and he faces a barrier that blocks the way for him to serve in state structures.

В Pakistan for failure to appear at the polls threatens a fine or real correctional work. Moreover, their term is set by the court, depending on how many times a citizen has ignored participation in the vote.

In the homeland of democracy - in Greece - there is a law under which a person who, without a valid reason, did not appear to participate in the voting, expects a fine or imprisonment for a term from the month 1 to the year 1.
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  1. Falcond
    Falcond 14 March 2018 17: 07
    +11
    The most severe punishment for failure to appear in elections in Chechnya .. what, we won’t know ... Otherwise, how to explain almost 100% turnout ???
    1. Vend
      Vend 14 March 2018 17: 14
      +9
      Quote: FalconD
      The most severe punishment for failure to appear in elections in Chechnya .. what, we won’t know ... Otherwise, how to explain almost 100% turnout ???

      I think the Chechen wars were enough for them, they learned to value peace and stability.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 14 March 2018 17: 19
        +7
        What responsibility in different countries is provided for ignoring elections

        A responsible person will go to the polls without coercion!
      2. Falcond
        Falcond 14 March 2018 17: 44
        +2
        This world rests on subsidies from the center!
        1. Vend
          Vend 14 March 2018 17: 53
          +4
          Quote: FalconD
          This world rests on subsidies from the center!

          And which region of Russia does not receive subsidies?
          1. Falcond
            Falcond 14 March 2018 18: 38
            +3
            Those who earn and then give money to the center
        2. raw174
          raw174 15 March 2018 07: 01
          +2
          Quote: FalconD
          This world rests on subsidies from the center!

          Therefore, the center must be supported by both word and deed (read deed = turnout, word = vote FOR the current government). Traditions are strong there and the word of the elders matters, and the elders say go ...
      3. Falcond
        Falcond 14 March 2018 18: 40
        0
        I think the Chechen wars were enough for them, they learned to value peace and stability.

        Following your logic, Russia should not fight at all! Or do you think that we do not value peace and stability ???
        1. Vend
          Vend 14 March 2018 18: 44
          +3
          Quote: FalconD
          I think the Chechen wars were enough for them, they learned to value peace and stability.

          Following your logic, Russia should not fight at all! Or do you think that we do not value peace and stability ???

          No need for speculation and do not confuse lockers. If you follow my logic, you get a completely different conclusion.
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            1. Mestny
              Mestny 14 March 2018 23: 35
              +1
              Louder howl!
              Tighter rows!
              More hell!
              Otherwise, it will not take off.
            2. Evdokim
              Evdokim 15 March 2018 05: 02
              +3
              Quote: vladimirZ
              You need to go to the polls and vote against the oligarchic comprador power in Russia represented by V. Putin.

              I agree, especially against the oligarchic comprador power in Russia.
              Quote: vladimirZ
              Need to vote for popular power, for Pavel Grudinin, he is for social justice for all!

              Stunned !!! For this half-oligarch !!! Let's help him become an oligarch !!!! In front of the banner with the show off of the Communist Party, R.F. !!!!!!!!!!!! Urrrrrrraaaaaaa comrades !!!!!!!!!!
              PS It is a great pity that the truly communist movement in Russia has come to an end. Maybe Grudinin is a good man, he just doesn’t see much money, because Russia is such a huge IHOGO "Lenin State Farm".
              negative
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 15 March 2018 05: 40
                +7
                Stunned !!! For this half-oligarch !!! Let's help him become an oligarch !!!! In front of the banner with the show off of the Communist Party, R.F. !!!!!!!!!!!! Urrrrrrraaaaaaa comrades !!!!!!!!!! - Evdokim

                You either do not understand the political processes taking place in the Left Movement of Russia, or you do not know!
                Pavel Grudinin goes to the polls from the coalition of the Left Forces, where the Communists of the Communist Party are one of the components, and the most organized forces, therefore it was the Communist Party that officially nominated P. Grudinin for the election.
                But the program proposed by Grudinin for a decision upon his election is more ambiguous than the program put forward by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, it includes not only proposals from the Communist Party of the Communist Party, but also left-wing patriotic forces.
                So, no “show-offs” of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
                Grudinin does not come to power as an “under-oligarch,” he goes with a team of his supporters — communists and patriots, who have united to restore power, constitutional power, and the people; to take strict measures to limit the term of office - no more than two terms - to prevent an unlimited amount of time in power of any persons, including those who abuse the confidence of the people in the election; to revive the economy, industry, agriculture, freeing them from the overwhelming oppression of the oligarchy and comprador financial capital; restore the social rights of citizens.
                And where do you see "show off"? Where do you see the “end to the true communist movement”?
                Or was it better for you, or for people like you, to nominate from the Communist Party of the 70-year-old old man G. Zyuganov, who regularly loses all the elections? Fortunately, the Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation made the right choice by electing a compromise figure at the congress, uniting all the Left forces of Russia in the struggle against the comprador oligarchy, in the struggle for the welfare state. This is not the "end" of the Communist Party - this is the beginning of the broad support of the Communists of the Communist Party of the people. And the ratings of Pavel Grudinin among the people, growing literally before our eyes, everyone says - THE CHOICE WAS MADE CORRECTLY.
                1. Evdokim
                  Evdokim 15 March 2018 06: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  And the ratings of Pavel Grudinin among the people, growing literally before our eyes, everyone says - THE CHOICE WAS MADE CORRECTLY.

                  I personally like your optimism, because despondency is a mortal sin (even though I am an atheist).
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  in order to return power, constitutional power, to the people; to take strict measures to limit the presence in power - no more than two terms - to prevent any time in power from unlimited any persons, including those abusing the confidence of the people

                  Well, the 70-year-old Mr. Zyuganov, who has become bronze, will not retire, and will not give way to others. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not a party if it cannot find a candidate except Z. in its ranks, but elects a Varangian, and besides, the former EdRoss.
                  PS With all my heart (without any malice) I wish you and the Left Movement success. But for it I won’t vote, even kill. And I do not advise you. hi
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 15 March 2018 07: 40
                    +2
                    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not a party if it cannot find a candidate in its ranks other than Z., but elects a Varangian, and besides, the former EdRoss.
                    PS With all my heart (without any malice) I wish you and the Left Movement success. But for this I will not vote, even kill. And I do not advise you. - Evdokim

                    You're wrong. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is a party, moreover, objectively thinking and deciding. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is one of the parties in the Duma opposition, which has nominated a real candidate for President.
                    None of the Duma parties nominated a candidate who could really compete in the election for the presidency, except for the Communist Party, which means the Communist Party’s election strategy is correct.
                    By the way, an example from history, 1917, then also one of the leaders who made the October Revolution, and one of the main roles at that time was played by Leon Trotsky, who had just joined the Bolsheviks. He was not a Bolshevik with pre-revolutionary experience, but played one of the most important roles in the revolution. What happened to him later is a separate issue.
                    And what do not write, specifically, "for this I will not vote, at least kill." Name in studio!
                    I do not need advice. In all elections I vote for the nominees from the Communist Party Communists - this is my position in life and unchanging communist beliefs. I vote for Pavel Grudinin, nominated by the Communists of the Communist Party and the Left Front of Russia.
                    1. Evdokim
                      Evdokim 15 March 2018 07: 44
                      0
                      18 is just around the corner. Let’s take a look.
                2. raw174
                  raw174 15 March 2018 07: 37
                  +2
                  good afternoon hi
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  Fortunately, the Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation made the right choice by electing a compromise figure at the congress, uniting all the Left forces of Russia in the struggle against the comprador oligarchy, in the struggle for the welfare state.

                  Of course, all movements need to update their blood from time to time, and the Communist Party and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did the right thing to introduce a new figure. The figure is controversial, not only according to scandals with scores, but also with a variety of party past. He has ceased to be Edinoros recently, it seems he’s even been in the Liberal Democratic Party (I don’t get anywhere to say), now he has sharply become a communist ... His popularity is the result of scandals, "revelations" and other intrigues. The fact that he conducts his business well in a closed joint-stock company does not mean that he is a brilliant business executive, it means that he was in the right place at the right time and received a good starting capital (primarily in the form of areas in the capital and in the nearest suburbs) and did not scam him, well done.
                  Your thesis that: “You need to vote for the people's power, for Pavel Grudinin, he is for social justice for all!” and "uniting all the Left forces of Russia in the struggle against the comprador oligarchy, in the struggle for a social state." to put it mildly, they do not inspire confidence ... All candidates have good programs, there are no those who fly under the flag of "ravaging and plundering the people", everyone wants us to be good and strengthen Russia.
                  Fir-trees, they fell into politics again))) On the topic, I’ll say that for almost thirty years the complete freedom of action that our citizens have, the penalty for not appearing at the polls will be perceived as tyranny, on the contrary, you can be encouraged to turn up (give a day off, for example as a donation).
                  My position is this: I didn’t go to the polls - you have no moral right to scold the authorities!
                  1. Evdokim
                    Evdokim 15 March 2018 07: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: raw174
                    I didn’t go to the polls - you have no moral right to scold the authorities!

                    I would have made your words (though without the "moral") the slogan of the CEC, and fine all abusers who are without a reference from the polling station. good
                  2. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 15 March 2018 07: 56
                    +4
                    Your thesis that: “You need to vote for the people's power, for Pavel Grudinin, he is for social justice for all!” and "uniting all the Left forces of Russia in the struggle against the comprador oligarchy, in the struggle for a social state." to put it mildly do not inspire confidence ... - raw174

                    And who inspires confidence in you? There are no others. In the 2018 presidential elections in Russia, there are two real candidates. One from the oligarchic comprador class is V. Putin, the other P. Grudinin is a representative of a broad coalition of Leftist forces, including Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, who defend the popular interests of a socially just state.
                    The rest are fake "pads" specially introduced by the authorities to the elections in order to confuse people and divert protest voices, dissatisfied with V. Putin, from P. Grudinin. This is their main task.
                    Well, you can’t consider the 70-year-old man, the political "clown" Zhirinovsky, or Sobchak as serious candidates. The rest are even worse, both in political and business qualities, manifesting themselves only in election campaigns, and nowhere else.
                    Your position "I did not go to the polls - you have no moral right to scold the authorities!" not true. It restricts human rights, which is unacceptable in a democratic society. Everyone should have the right to criticize the government without further infringement of their rights, including the "moral right to abuse the government."
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 15 March 2018 08: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      In the 2018 presidential elections in Russia, there are two real candidates. One from the oligarchic comprador class is V. Putin, the other P. Grudinin is a representative of a broad coalition of Leftist forces, including Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, who defend the popular interests of a socially just state.

                      One can argue on this subject for a long time and fruitlessly, as in the old fairy tale: "the stick is something infinite or beginningless ...")))
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      The rest are fake "pads" specially introduced by the authorities to the elections in order to confuse people and divert protest voices, dissatisfied with V. Putin, from P. Grudinin.

                      Do you think that those who vote for Sapchak and Yavlinsky would vote for Grudinin? No, comrade, this contingent hates the Communists, the USSR, and everything connected with them to the bone! Their goal is to increase turnout, because now there really are candidates for every taste, both for the left and for the right and for those with an uncertain orientation and without it ...
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      Your position "I did not go to the polls - you have no moral right to scold the authorities!" not true.

                      Nevertheless, this is my personal belief. I do not propose to fix it in the law, I am personally guided by it.
                      1. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 15 March 2018 13: 53
                        +1
                        One can argue on this subject for a long time and fruitlessly, as in the old fairy tale: "the stick is something infinite or beginningless ..."))) - raw174

                        I will add additional information, the opinion of the Russian national front - Russian nationalists about P. Grudinin, together with the communists and patriots who nominated Pavel Grudinin as a presidential candidate.
                        Pavel Grudinin is the hope of not only the Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Russian national front, the patriots of Russia - the People’s Democratic Party, but also the whole people who want to live in a socially just state.
                        Watch the video.
                    2. Rey_ka
                      Rey_ka 15 March 2018 10: 45
                      0
                      And from the Communists of the Russian Federation comes Maxim Suraikin. And there is a Russian proverb: For one beaten they give two not beaten.
                      1. Greenwood
                        Greenwood 15 March 2018 10: 52
                        +3
                        Suraikin is a clown against whom even half asleep Yavlinsky looks more adequate.
                      2. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 15 March 2018 18: 35
                        +2
                        Suraikin is not just a clown, he is a provocateur of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. On the last TV of swearing, for a misunderstanding called debate, he dragged his left aunt, and this machination of nightingales helped him crank. And if the liberals represented by Ksyushadi and Yavlinsky act as a whole together. That suraykin, acts exclusively against his "colleague", from the left flank. Evil takes from for what .... The oligarchy of the Russian Federation holds us.
            3. Rey_ka
              Rey_ka 15 March 2018 10: 42
              +1
              Well, this is a Ukrainian rake: the change of one company of oligarchs to others
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 15 March 2018 08: 14
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        I think the Chechen wars were enough for them, they learned to value peace and stability.

        Twenty Chechen wars would not have been enough for them, without the firm hand of Ramzan. Where to find the same hard ruler in neighboring Dagestan? Russia, at one time, waged a war in the Caucasus for 100 years without end and edge. This not calm region, like a time bomb, will prove itself more than once at the most unnecessary moment.
    2. would
      would 18 March 2018 06: 14
      0
      Very simply, in the absence of proper control, and even more so with the direct participation of the authorities, there is no problem voting for the person who did not come.
  2. Galleon
    Galleon 14 March 2018 17: 19
    +11
    An article about fines for absenteeism and offers of some pitcher snout. What percentage turnout need to be raised?
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 14 March 2018 17: 22
    +21
    Do not want to live well, we will force! wassat wassat wassat
    First they turned the election into a circus, and now they are looking for an opportunity to drive voters to the polls, they are studying world experience.
    A complete monopoly in the media, registration of candidates is only a select few, either their own or completely impassable. Fraud during the voting, stuffing, we count as it should. Excluded the column Against all. If you recall, if the majority elects Against all, new elections should be appointed AND FORMER ELECTION CANDIDATES ARE NOT ALLOWED.
    This week’s election, for example, I don’t know who to vote for! There is no one to choose from, there is no real figure. hi
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 14 March 2018 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      I don’t know who to vote for!

      Vote for Putin - you will not be mistaken.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 14 March 2018 18: 45
        +4
        Borya, read the end of my comment! wink hi
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 15 March 2018 04: 19
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        Vote for Putin - you will not be mistaken.
        Thanks, funny. When I see Putin, I remember about his team of corrupt populists and I understand that I have no way with them.
      3. Gloomy
        Gloomy 15 March 2018 08: 12
        +1
        I never went to the Gauleiter’s election, but this time I’ll definitely go vote for Putin! Gestapo candidate!
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 15 March 2018 08: 23
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        Vote for Putin - you will not be mistaken.

        Heck! Already three times voted for him! Really the fourth time - will surely be ??
        Boris, did you play thimbles as a sharpie?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 March 2018 08: 39
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Already three times voted for him! Really the fourth time - will surely be ??

          Consistency is a sign of maturity. Do not change your habits - vote for Putin laughing
          Stalypin needed 20 years to transform Russia, Stalin needed 10 years. They didn’t give it ... Putin took into account their mistakes. Now it’ll work out for sure!
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 15 March 2018 09: 20
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            Now it’ll work out for sure!
            Blessed is he who believes.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 March 2018 09: 35
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              Blessed is he who believes.

              Is there a reason not to trust?
              ps. At the time of perestroika, Private Greenwald served with us in the 7th company, he left for Germany. Not a relative by chance?
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 15 March 2018 10: 56
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                Is there a reason not to trust?
                Just as it is.
                Quote: Boris55
                At the time of perestroika, Private Greenwald served with us in the 7th company, he left for Germany.
                Not. My nickname is in honor of the car.
          2. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 15 March 2018 10: 51
            +1
            Stalin built a state of social justice! Now we have capitalism! Stop living on the short end: both in socialism and in capitalism! Only hardcore! Wild capitalism: man to man WOLF! And immediately it will become easier to live when there is no one to rely on enemies everywhere! The Bible says that the Kingdom of Heaven cannot be built on Earth! And you all hope that someone will come and build !?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 March 2018 10: 54
              0
              Quote: Rey_ka
              Wild capitalism: man to man WOLF! And immediately it will become easier to live when there is no one to rely on

              Do you know the parable about the broom?
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 15 March 2018 17: 52
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: Rey_ka
                Wild capitalism: man to man WOLF! And immediately it will become easier to live when there is no one to rely on

                Do you know the parable about the broom?

                Have you looked at the profile picture? - Etozh Baranov from "Jumble" has grown wassat
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 14 March 2018 17: 48
      +13
      I have always been ridiculed by people who are most outraged by the elections, but do not go to them and always find dozens of excuses for their negligent behavior. Yes, go to the polls and spoil the ballot, do not give the opportunity to use your voice to fraudulent officials. And so, not only are you outraged, so even the smallest thing - you do not want to tear your ass and go off to show them all your position. am
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 27
        0
        When these funny people start these cheaters and corrupt fines on the streets will be funny too?
        1. Gloomy
          Gloomy 15 March 2018 08: 14
          +2
          By fine do you mean "hanging on lampposts"?
          1. Pingo
            Pingo 15 March 2018 08: 40
            0
            why spoil the so-called ballots or lampposts? they are going to bet on the electorate for money, well, so it goes to them. not the best attitude.
            it’s my choice to go to this booth or not, there’s no reason to deprive me of it.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 March 2018 17: 51
      +8
      Quote: fa2998
      This week’s election, for example, I don’t know who to vote for! There is no one to choose from, there is no real figure.

      In this case, we choose VGK, Russia is at war, want to become a "slave", choose compradors Grudinin, Yavlinsky, Titov, etc. Do not want to, vote for Putin. That's the whole layout ...
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 15 March 2018 04: 21
        +10
        Quote: Ascetic
        In this case, we choose the High Command, Russia is at war
        The war is in your head. Watch less First Channel with Ren-TV and do not read conspiracy theories on the Internet.
        Quote: Ascetic
        if you want to become a "slave", choose compradors of Grudinin, Yavlinsky, Titov, etc. Do not want to, vote for Putin.
        And observe the next 6 years, the continued decline in living standards in the country against the backdrop of millions of salaries of Putin’s friends. Thank you, we don’t need such happiness.
        1. raw174
          raw174 15 March 2018 07: 53
          +2
          Quote: Greenwood
          And observe the next 6 years, the continued decline in living standards in the country against the backdrop of millions of salaries of Putin’s friends.

          Yes, over the past 3 years, my personal income, in kind, has fallen. I thought somewhere around 5-8% ... But to compare Russia BEFORE Putin and now (1998 and 2018) ... There are no options left, Putin is definitely working to strengthen Russia, whether you like it or not.
          Well, you, Greenwood, go to the polls? I hope you are not one of those who, spraying on the forum, jumps into the bushes when it comes down to business?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 15 March 2018 08: 46
            +6
            Quote: raw174
            Putin is clearly working to strengthen Russia, whether you like it or not.

            Putin is clearly working to strengthen the power of the oligarchs. And I do not like it! He no longer needs to destroy Russia. There will be no cow. Explain the incident, over the past year, GDP in Russia grew by 1%. Why did the income of the Russians fall? What's the secret? Could it be that Putin’s friends, the oligarchs, have grown?
            1. raw174
              raw174 15 March 2018 09: 29
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              last year, Russia's GDP grew by 1%.

              At the level of the device error, do not you think?
              Quote: Stas157
              Why did the income of the Russians fall? What's the secret?

              I am not an economist, but I understand that GDP and the average income of the population are not directly related. My salary in numbers has grown (by 8%), but the purchasing power of the ruble has fallen, here you have the growth of salaries and the decline in purchasing power in one bottle.
              Quote: Stas157
              Could it be that Putin’s friends, the oligarchs, have grown?

              This is not known to us, nor who are our friends and who does not earn how much, and by what.
              I’m not a fan of shaking the wallets of those I’ve never seen before, I didn’t know ... Judging by myself, by my region and village, people began to live better at times, everyone who wants to, whiners and idlers get drunk. There are opportunities, and their implementation is everyone’s business.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 15 March 2018 09: 24
            0
            Quote: raw174
            But compare Russia to Putin and now (1998 and 2018) ...
            I would still remind you that right after Putin came to power, oil prices began to rise. And in general, throughout the 00s, a relative increase in living standards has been going on throughout the CIS.
            Quote: raw174
            Putin is clearly working to strengthen Russia
            Look at the people with whom he surrounded himself. That's enough for me. And all these populist PR actions with riding on fighter jets and diving into an ice hole are generally ridiculous.
            Quote: raw174
            Well, you, Greenwood, go to the polls?
            I will go without fail. He attended all the elections from the moment he turned 18.
            1. raw174
              raw174 15 March 2018 09: 55
              +2
              Quote: Greenwood
              Look at the people with whom he surrounded himself.

              Shoigu, Lavrov are quite worthy figures for themselves ... There are all sorts. I am sure that Putin is still bound by obligations to those who brought him to power, but this is a purely personal opinion.
              Quote: Greenwood
              And all these populist PR actions with riding on fighter jets and diving into an ice hole are generally ridiculous.

              Yes, there’s nothing funny here. People should see that their leader is the same as them, that he also goes on vacation, fishes and dives into the ice hole ... PR specialists work with Putin (as with any major figure), they eat their bread for good reason, the rating is Putin is really awesome! To consolidate the success, on Saturday night the Crimean hockey team will also be shown PR work, and this affects a large part of the audience.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 15 March 2018 11: 04
                +2
                Quote: raw174
                Shoigu, Lavrov are quite worthy figures ...
                Yeah, that's all. As a rule, these two surnames end with the list of adequacy among Putin's entourage.
                Quote: raw174
                Putin is still bound by obligations to those who brought him to power, but this is a purely personal opinion.
                This could be understood in his first term, well, in the second. But in 18 years, a person with a strong team can completely restructure the entire domestic and foreign policy. There are many examples in history. Putin had opportunities, petrodollars too.
                Quote: raw174
                People should see that their leader is the same as them, that he also goes on vacation, fishing and diving into the hole ...
                I do not have to see half-naked Putin on a horse and diving into an ice hole. The leader should confirm leadership by deeds, and not by PR actions, which are also often accompanied by scandals with blocking roads, delayed flights, etc.
                Quote: raw174
                hf "Crimea" will show
                The threshing floor of this film is complete. Look at the review on it.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 15 March 2018 12: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Putin had opportunities, petrodollars too.

                  Maybe not. We are not involved in big politics, because of the possibilities of the people there - only speculations ...
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Leader must prove leadership by deeds

                  But did he do little? When did anyone stop the war on the territory of the Russian Federation? He made difficult decisions. Remember August 2008, do you think Medvedev did not consult with him? But it was a difficult decision that was made! And the Crimea? Boldly? Is it worth it? Yes !, and Syria? Do you think a weak president would dare to directly inform the Americans about his intention to destroy the carriers of their missiles? No! The fact that today Russia is capable of much greater steps than 5 and even more than ten years ago, speaks of the strengthening of its position, the determination of the leader.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  The threshing floor of this film is complete. Look at the review on it.

                  I do not argue. I watched it, there was a sense of confusion. First you need to look at the documentary (Path to the Homeland), and then it, then something will be clear ...
    4. AUL
      AUL 14 March 2018 19: 38
      +6
      First they turned the election into a circus, and now they are looking for an opportunity to drive voters to the polls, they are studying world experience.
      First, the lower turnout threshold was canceled, but now they want to fine for not participating? “Maryivanna, where is the logic?” (C)
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 14
        +5
        logic try to lower the people again
      2. raw174
        raw174 15 March 2018 07: 43
        +2
        Quote: AUL
        First, the lower turnout threshold was canceled, but now they want to fine for not participating?

        Stop the car! Who wants to fine people for not appearing on elections in Russia? Where is the discussion?
    5. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 March 2018 04: 17
      +4
      Quote: fa2998
      This week’s election, for example, I don’t know who to vote for!
      It only shows your passivity and unwillingness to understand the election programs of candidates. You can always find something that best suits your own expectations and thinking. And of course yes, it’s easiest to say “there is no one to vote for, I don’t know anyone” and do not go anywhere, and then whine for bad power for another 6 years.
      Quote: fa2998
      There is no one to choose from, there is no real figure.
      Tell us how you imagine this "real figure"? What matters should be behind her so that she is “real”?
      1. sergei_55
        sergei_55 15 March 2018 05: 59
        0
        You will have to whine and people like you. Who do not want to work and always find those to blame for their idleness.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 15 March 2018 06: 36
          0
          Quote: sergei_55
          You will have to whine and people like you.
          Are you talking to me?
          Quote: sergei_55
          Who do not want to work and always find those to blame for their idleness.
          Ok, let's be honest, in what industry do you work and how much do you get? I’ll at least imagine how to work, but I don’t know.
          1. sergei_55
            sergei_55 15 March 2018 07: 17
            +2
            He worked at Russian Railways, and now retired. Do not whine - there are enough pensions. Sometimes I do auto diagnostics, but it's kind of fun.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 15 March 2018 09: 31
              0
              Quote: sergei_55
              retired now. Do not whine - there are enough pensions
              And what is the size of the pension, if not secret?
              1. sergei_55
                sergei_55 15 March 2018 10: 48
                0
                for today 16400
      2. raw174
        raw174 15 March 2018 07: 46
        +5
        Quote: Greenwood
        It only shows your passivity and unwillingness to understand the election programs of candidates. You can always find something that best suits your own expectations and thinking. And of course yes, it’s easiest to say “there is no one to vote for, I don’t know anyone” and do not go anywhere, and then whine for bad power for another 6 years.

        I fully support! Everyone has different views, ideals and beliefs, too, for whom it is a personal and second thing, since there are candidates for all tastes, but you need to raise and vote for the back! I’ll go with my whole family, let the children get used too!
      3. vadimtt
        vadimtt 15 March 2018 14: 14
        0
        The real figure should look like Putin, and have a program like that of Grudinia. No such laughing
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 15 March 2018 18: 24
          +1
          Quote: vadimtt
          The real figure should look like Putin, and have a program like that of Grudinia. No such laughing

          Well, you’re right, just like Agafya Tikhonovna -
          If Pavel Nikolayevich’s lips (* Grudinin) were put on Vladimir Vladimirovich’s nose (* Putin), and there’s some swagger like Vladimir Volfovich’s (* Zhirinovsky’s), and, perhaps, Sergei Sergeevich’s added mortality (* Baburin’s) ) - then I would immediately decide.
          (c) No Gogol. "Elections"

          wassat laughing
  4. solzh
    solzh 14 March 2018 17: 29
    +9
    In the USSR, the turnout was almost 100%. Without any coercive measures, people went to vote.
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 34
      +2
      and even then the cameras didn’t need to be turned off for an hour yes laughing
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 14 March 2018 23: 42
      +2
      Oh well...
      I won’t talk about forced ones, but I’ll tell you about incentive ones.
      Early 80s, province.
      For example, polling stations on the election day traded in scarce food. The people threw a shaft to buy sausages. and vote at the same time.
      Well, of course, all as one in conversations with each other spat and joked that everything is already known in advance, nothing depends on us, the power of crooks and thieves, and so on.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 15 March 2018 04: 22
        +1
        Quote: Mestny
        People threw a shaft to buy sausages
        And where did you not have sausages in the early 80's?
        1. sergei_55
          sergei_55 15 March 2018 06: 00
          0
          Sausage and beer ended at eight in the morning. And then some did not vote, but for scarce products.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 15 March 2018 08: 36
      +6
      Quote: solzh
      In the USSR, the turnout was almost 100%. Without any coercive measures, people went to vote.

      Then they went to vote, as for a holiday, in high spirits! Balloons, flags, music, buffet ... everyone has smiles, people are relaxed, take their time, companies gather here! After all, there was a time! I remember these days.
      But now there’s nothing to remember in the elections! Everything is gray, casual, serious faces ... I ran into the passport with a quick pass, and in vain hope that this time they would not cheat and choose someone not from United Russia.
    4. raw174
      raw174 15 March 2018 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: solzh
      Without any coercive measures, people went to vote.

      Everyone already said, well, I’ll also say)))) We sold sausages and other scarce shmurdyak shops ...
  5. maxim1987
    maxim1987 14 March 2018 18: 05
    +4
    mother works in the Moscow metro. Since she was arriving, at work she was asked to write a statement about the election at the place of stay. I ask: who will vote for? She replies that all of their statements have already been collected by management request
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 14 March 2018 19: 35
      +6
      Enchanting nonsense. Do you really realize that if the facts of such fraud come to light, then there will be a huge scandal all over the world? And what similar, in the current conditions of cameras / Internet, NO ONE will go? Or the more impudent and implausible a lie, the faster they will believe in it? How tired of the stupid that they consider the Russians are cattle, who believes everything that they get from OSB.
      1. AUL
        AUL 14 March 2018 19: 44
        +6
        Since the last election, a full Internet of videos about fraud, stuffing, etc. And where is the scandal in the whole world?
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 14 March 2018 19: 46
          +2
          Apparently, these "videos" have already been cooked up with a margin for these elections. Believe it? True?
        2. serg999
          serg999 14 March 2018 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: AUL
          Since the last election, a full Internet of videos about fraud, stuffing, etc. And where is the scandal in the whole world?

          You can put these "rollers" on yourself ... They were made especially for people like you. But, fortunately, in Russia, not everyone is so “smart” ... Believe me, if a real violation came up in the elections, and not custom-made videos, then the howl would be such that it would not seem enough !!!
          1. Pingo
            Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 18
            +1
            https://deejayfaki.livejournal.com/14545.html
            because of your post, they may actually begin to doubt the nature of the referendum in Crimea
        3. sergei_55
          sergei_55 15 March 2018 06: 02
          0
          AUL now you can watch online elections from almost any site.
          1. Pingo
            Pingo 15 March 2018 06: 22
            0
            Is that why they were then turned off for an hour? and then after turning it off again when? or are they still working?
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 15 March 2018 07: 19
              0
              It is only at the Poroshenko’s elections that ballots are materialized in ballot boxes in even packs. Your anti-election campaign is boring.
              1. Pingo
                Pingo 15 March 2018 08: 00
                0
                on any, with very few exceptions
                and in general the wrong piece of paper was called a ballot
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 15 March 2018 09: 08
      +4
      My son at the school, where the voting will take place, the director came up with contests for parents and parent committees, March 18, apparently in order to increase the attendance of the elections. Among the contests, there is also a hug hug contest. Everything is very creative! Appearance with passports, and required.
    3. raw174
      raw174 15 March 2018 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: maximNNX
      Since she was arriving, at work she was asked to write a statement about the election at the place of stay. I ask: who will vote for? She replies that all their statements have already been collected by management

      So what? statement will allow you to vote? This is for turnout. Everyone has been given the task of ensuring turnout, the plan is 70%. The authorities will report to the top that they obliged everyone to come no matter where they are, that's all. Your mom will go and vote calmly.
  6. Goodmen
    Goodmen 14 March 2018 18: 28
    +11
    Penalty for failure to appear! Maybe with someone and a ride, but not with ours. Yes, even if they come, then they will spoil the little white on purpose by swearing)) And how else to express their attitude to this procedure without alternative? Previously, they simply scored, and with the introduction of fines, they will begin to crap)))
    Better to shoot right away!
    Rave...
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 21
      +1
      to this procedure farce, less than 100 years later they thought of these papers their own signatures, stamps put and glue holograms.
      and then in the cycle who needs to climb out 146%
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXctQSX-Np8
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 15 March 2018 07: 20
        +1
        About exceeding 100% of the result, this is news from the USA. Once again - your anti-election campaign is a primitive.
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 15 March 2018 08: 02
          0
          yes about exceeding up to 146% there was a link to Russian TV
    2. albert
      albert 14 March 2018 22: 46
      +4
      Quote: Goodmen
      Rave...

      I agree. But why is our stupid government only able to deal with threats and coercion of its citizens? No other way? For example, if I came to the polls - get 500 rubles. It will be much more effective.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 14 March 2018 23: 47
        0
        The article provides a list of countries in which the government forces the ruble to come to the polls of such bright individuals as you.
        I wonder how stupid the government is in these countries?
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 15 March 2018 06: 23
          0
          rather, the people more omitted once this is tolerated.
  7. vanavatny
    vanavatny 14 March 2018 18: 41
    +11
    ,, against all ,, return, at least when choosing the Duma herd ...
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 March 2018 19: 06
    +3
    "In Egypt, the amount of the fine does not exceed one dollar, but those who do not come to the polls also face imprisonment ..." ... This has been a strong help to them lately. laughing
  9. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 14 March 2018 19: 08
    +13
    Wow! Already the threats have begun! Apparently, the authorities are seriously concerned about the small turnout at the elections, which make them not legitimate. By the way, let the authors remember that in some countries, for example, China, it happens in cases of financial fraud, betrayal of the motherland, low professionalism and theft of those in power. wink The same thing is informative to read for some who want to drive the people to the polls.
    1. Vlad Petrov
      Vlad Petrov 14 March 2018 20: 51
      +3
      Since 2011, the Criminal Code of the PRC (People's Republic of China) provides for the death penalty for harming national security. A broad concept is not it?
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 14 March 2018 23: 52
        0
        But what do you propose to study there, when their victory is so close? Just a little bit, and no one will go to the polls, power will become illegitimate, and voila !, the goal is achieved.
        I think it’s useless to ask if they understand that harsh laws, and especially their strict enforcement, affect not only certain officials, but all citizens in general.
        It seems to this category of citizens that the harsh laws are only for officials. And an ordinary citizen can go for a walk and drink along the buffet.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 15 March 2018 08: 42
          +2
          smile People like me just advocate for fair but harsh laws, but ... certainly for everyone! And especially for those in power. As there is in the bible: the more is given, the more should be asked. Do you disagree? However, this is a rhetorical question, such as you advocate that the laws are for cattle, and all the others in white clothes are exempted from the law. Let the authorities begin with themselves in compliance with the laws, I assure you, the people will be tightened. And then looking at Sechin, who did not give a damn about the court and did not appear, I don’t really want to comply with the laws.
  10. Freeman
    Freeman 14 March 2018 19: 30
    +2
    andrej-shironov Today, 19:08
    Apparently, the authorities are seriously concerned about the small turnout at the elections, which make them not legitimate.

    Information for reflection
    The head of the Central Election Commission, Ella Pamfilova, said that if the winner of the presidential election has unclosed accounts abroad, the voting results can be invalidated.

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/03/2018/5aa8348a9a
    79473d7864fadf? From = main

    But early voting began already on February 25. wink
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 15 March 2018 08: 45
      +3
      smile Well, absentee ballots and that hysteria on TV about their use, as Bee hints that there will be throws through these cards. However, this technique is not new, and the Yeltsin authorities did not disdain it. And since the current one has taken power not legitimate from Yeltsin and for 18 years has done almost nothing to give it legitimacy, it is foolish to expect anything else.
  11. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 14 March 2018 19: 39
    +3
    Who did not serve does not participate in the elections.
    And who is talking about Chechnya .. The situation there is not unambiguous, and the one who judges the Chechen Republic from the position of past conflicts makes a big mistake.
  12. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 March 2018 20: 52
    +8
    "responsibility .... for ignoring the election."
    This does not apply to Russia. In Russia - the president is already known, the number of% votes in favor is also, only the number of% who came to the polls is unknown. plots. yes
  13. Altona
    Altona 14 March 2018 21: 14
    +5
    So what? The law has no retroactive force. This election is like profanity. The victory of the "main candidate" has already been announced, I see no reason to support the farce.
  14. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 14 March 2018 21: 49
    +1
    The state gives the citizen the right to vote, the citizen in return undertakes to realize it in the interests of the nation. Therefore, failure to appear for elections without good reason should be considered as a rejection of suffrage.
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 31
      +3
      then citizens will not at all refuse this mafia the right to carry a booth under this name in their sector?
      1. sergei_55
        sergei_55 15 March 2018 06: 07
        0
        The mafia is sitting under your flag and there’s no need to advise from your country. This is interference in our elections. Another one officer.
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 15 March 2018 06: 29
          +1
          then she substitutes the vote counting acts and does other “magic” when everyone goes to sleep, which is why magic 146% appear on the TV
          even in the manner of banter over the people, he turns off the cameras for an hour, and people like you above are going to watch something through them, and others are advised.
  15. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 14 March 2018 22: 23
    +3
    I wonder if there is a column “Against All” in these newsletters in these countries?
    If not, then this is SUCH a democracy, it turns out that the army is remembered: "... if you don’t want it, we’ll force it."
  16. Ivan58
    Ivan58 14 March 2018 22: 34
    +3
    Yeah. I’ll go to the polls. I will not vote for Putin.
  17. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 14 March 2018 22: 45
    0
    Fine and age - over 27 years.
  18. Ivan58
    Ivan58 14 March 2018 23: 20
    0
    I am 60 years old. I still feel the strength in myself. the girls in FIG are not needed. But the darling, but beloved, oh yes, I will sip.
  19. ibirus
    ibirus 15 March 2018 04: 50
    +1
    The main problem of our society with all its shortcomings is that everyone considers himself a specialist in any field. Rummaged around on the Internet - voila, became a dock and a master. There is not enough courage to say that I do not have knowledge or data. And a blogger has more authority than an expert who has devoted his life to studying this area, plus a profile education. But the expert will not be trusted, but the blogger-balobol - always. This conscious humiliation of the worthy and the strange desire to consume information of dubious quality is the scourge of our time. We don’t want to think for ourselves, open our eyes and compare the facts, we forgot what critical perception of information is and why we created the same Internet from the very beginning. We just complain that everything is bad and little depends on us, we don’t want to take responsibility and just cry, we moan. So we will not build a civil society, a society where everyone is responsible for the future through informed choice, and if there is no decent one, you can take your voice with you. Well, you’ll guess for yourself. wink
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 March 2018 06: 39
      +3
      Quote: ibirus
      And a blogger has more authority than an expert who has devoted his life to studying this area, plus a profile education. But the expert will not be trusted, but the blogger-balobol - always.
      In the 21st century, you need to be able to not only own information, but also be able to present it to the modern (not burdened by great knowledge, read, victim of the USE) layman in an interesting and accessible form for him.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 15 March 2018 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: ibirus
      The main problem of our society with all its shortcomings is that everyone considers himself a specialist in any field. Rummaged around on the Internet - voila, became a dock and a master. There is not enough courage to say that I do not have knowledge or data. And a blogger has more authority than an expert who has devoted his life to studying this area, plus a profile education. But the expert will not be trusted, but the blogger-balobol - always. This conscious humiliation of the worthy and the strange desire to consume information of dubious quality is the scourge of our time. We don’t want to think for ourselves, open our eyes and compare the facts, we forgot what critical perception of information is and why we created the same Internet from the very beginning. We just complain that everything is bad and little depends on us, we don’t want to take responsibility and just cry, we moan. So we will not build a civil society, a society where everyone is responsible for the future through informed choice, and if there is no decent one, you can take your voice with you. Well, you’ll guess for yourself. wink

      Do you know why this happens? Because the government deliberately dibilizes the population. Young people and some of the people in uniform are particularly susceptible to this. The former due to the lack of life experience, critical thinking and a low level of education, and the latter due to customization. I always went to the polls, the first time when my family and I did not go to them. Because experience and the ability to think critically suggested to me that this power cannot and does not want to cope with contemporary domestic and foreign policy challenges. So the main problem of our society is the disbelief of the current government!
  20. ljuger
    ljuger 15 March 2018 05: 53
    +2
    this is my citizenship - no choices! And the introduction of a sanction for not appearing, only confirm it! democracy is rubbish and farce
  21. Yak28
    Yak28 15 March 2018 06: 34
    +3
    My friends at work, and I, too, asked my boss to vote and then call back, my wife at work was asked to vote for a particular candidate. They asked me to go to rallies for the party in power or the president, but at least they paid for it, or they gave me time off . Therefore, in Moscow we always have a lot of people at power rallies. So I’ll go to the polls so as not to spoil relations with the bosses.
  22. Nix1986
    Nix1986 15 March 2018 07: 17
    0
    It’s interesting, but how did people get driven into Luzhniki to support GDP, whose experience is this? And what is the responsibility for this? laughing
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 15 March 2018 17: 29
      +3
      When Putin was elected president last time, my colleagues and I went to a rally in his support, at work we were paid 5000 rubles each to pay. There I caught a cold and got sick, and I couldn’t go to the second rally after being elected president, otherwise I would be five tore off
  23. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 15 March 2018 07: 33
    +1
    Judging by the comments, State Department grants for anti-election propaganda reached the consumer. The same cliches and phrases, no imagination - as the dissidents poured poison into the tea, they continue to act stupidly and stubbornly in the information field. Their activity would be on the "dictator and Fuhrer" Merkel who went for another continuous term.
    Guys, it’s already not the 18th century, and the buffoons sent to neighboring kingdoms will not be able to raise a rebellion in the 21st century. With unsubstantiated arguments below the plinth, you can only frighten cockroaches hammered under them, on individuals with a head on their shoulders, your screeches act exactly the opposite.
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 15 March 2018 08: 17
      +1
      Their activity would be on the "dictator and Fuhrer" Merkel who went for another continuous term.

      Excuse me, what business should citizens of the Russian Federation have before the elections in Germany?
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 15 March 2018 08: 29
        0
        Trying to get away from the line of discussion or just nothing to say on the merits?
  24. komrad buh
    komrad buh 15 March 2018 12: 33
    +1
    introduce the column "against all" turnout of almost 100%
  25. would
    would 18 March 2018 06: 33
    +1
    Of course, they propose to solve the problem of introducing penalties ... which do not solve the problem. Because the main problem of all presidential and not only elections is the absence of really alternative candidates for whom one could vote, as well as complete distrust of the election procedure itself. And as we know, distrust is not unfounded.

    For example, in this election I have no one to vote for. There are three candidates on the list by force of which I can call independent, and not Putin's extras. And I disagree with none of them and the hand does not rise to vote for one of them. That is precisely why the column “Against All” was removed at one time, if it had remained, then the elections would have to be canceled and somewhere to look for other candidates on a previously cleared political platform. Despite the fact that the current candidate does not need other candidates.

    Naturally, in combination with a drop in the level of education, apathetic ones became even greater. Here's a purely question: How many of you have read the political programs of all candidates? For example, I read. And this is political literacy, without it it is not at all clear what kind of candidate this is and where he is going to lead the country, at least on paper.

    As a result, in 2006 the minimum turnout threshold for the elections was canceled, now the turnout is not really needed. You don’t even have to “draw” it and there will be nothing, as evidence of the election of governors. Khabarovsk Territory 33,88%, Elections to the Arkhangelsk Regional Assembly of Deputies where the turnout in general was 25% and other elections to regional authorities. No protests, no indignation, all the same. And there is no problem choosing Putin with a turnout of less than 50%, legally this is legal, people do not care. To be honest, I don’t even understand why it’s all of a sudden now preoccupied with the appearance. Therefore, all these boycotts of Navalny do not affect the elections, they only allow Alexey Navalny to earn political points and media.
  26. amr
    amr 18 March 2018 14: 08
    0
    Everyone’s going to the polls is his personal responsibility and right !!!
    For some reason, for refusing to watch children there is neither responsibility nor punishment, for loyalty to the spouse the exact same crap, no one owes no one, no one, and then there’s a panic!
    Elections are needed for the legitimacy of the government, good, bad - it does not matter, the quantity is important !!

  27. amr
    amr 18 March 2018 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Yak28
    My friends at work, and I, too, asked my boss to vote and then call back, my wife at work was asked to vote for a particular candidate. They asked me to go to rallies for the party in power or the president, but at least they paid for it, or they gave me time off . Therefore, in Moscow we always have a lot of people at power rallies. So I’ll go to the polls so as not to spoil relations with the bosses.

    Everywhere such garbage)))
    Mom got called 3 times from work today, though they didn’t say who to vote for, but they called three times !!
    A sister in the village council works, there are no options at all!
    I am from the Crimea!