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The project of the set of modernization of automatics KM-AK "Obves"

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Not so long ago, it was announced that soon several new assault rifles would go into service with the Russian army. In the distant future, new weapon will have to replace the existing AK-74 machines and become the main armament of the troops. Nevertheless, for obvious reasons, the existing automata will remain in the army for a long time, and until a certain time newer systems can only supplement them. As a result, it is necessary to modernize the existing samples with the removal of their characteristics to a new level.


Considering the current state of affairs, the presence of several promising projects and the expected events of the foreseeable future, several years ago the Russian Ministry of Defense launched a program to modernize the existing AK-74 and AK-74М. A technical assignment was formed, in accordance with which the program participants were to draw up a set of measures to update the existing machine gun with an increase in part of operational and combat characteristics.

The project of the set of modernization of automatics KM-AK "Obves"


The developers of the new project were required to retain all the main elements of the existing weapons, but to supplement them with new devices and devices. The military wanted to get improved ergonomics, accuracy of fire, etc., as well as expand the possibilities for the use of weapons. The new program of the Ministry of Defense received the code "Obves". People familiar with the terminology of the weapons industry could immediately understand the objectives of the project.

According to known data, the desire to participate in the design work "Obves" expressed immediately six domestic enterprises engaged in the release of the actual small arms and additional devices for it. One of the project participants was the recently established Kalashnikov concern, which included various defense industry enterprises. The AK-74 automaton modernization project from this organization received the working designation KM-AK (“Modernization kit - Kalashnikov assault rifle”).

As reported, the Kalashnikov concern led the development of a new project on its own initiative. Specialists took into account the requirements of a potential customer, but the work was financed only by the concern, without the participation of the Ministry of Defense. Using this approach, the company was able to form the basic principles of the new project and define a new image of the existing automaton.



The first public demonstration of AK-74M machines with a set of KM-AK “Obves” was held on May 9 of the year 2015. Several parade calculations, which took place on Red Square, were armed with the machine guns of the existing model, which were modernized according to a new project. The renewed weapons expectedly attracted attention and became the topic of discussion. However, the interest of specialists and the public to the system "Obves" was much more modest than in the case of other innovations presented at that parade.

A few days before the first demonstration of attachments of the Kalashnikov concern, he revealed some technical details of the project. It was argued that when firing at a distance of up to 300 m at any time of day and in different climatic conditions, the criterion "frequency of injury" increases 1,5 times. Also in the message of the company mentioned certain features of the project, such as a list of new units, compatibility with additional equipment, the presence of various modifications, etc.

According to reports of the 2015 spring, the KM-AK kit provided the ability to equip the machine with various attachments, such as day and night sights, laser designators, flashlights, etc. The possibility of using a bayonet or grenade launcher was retained. Three options of the kit were suggested. The first was designed for general military units, the second was intended for military intelligence, and the third was planned to offer special operations forces. As noted, the products of the KM-AK kit were compatible not only with AK-74M guns. It was argued that the "body kit" could be mounted on a weapon caliber 5,45 and 7,62 mm.



In the future, the Kalashnikov concern has repeatedly demonstrated a new type of kit at various exhibitions and demonstration events. At the same time, it was possible to notice that the automata from different shows had certain differences. This indicated that the testing of the developed set was continuing, and its individual elements are still being improved. Due to this, in the foreseeable future, the most successful version of KM-AK could be put into service.

In mid-June 2015, just a few weeks after the “premiere screening”, new messages appeared about the progress of the project and its prospects. On the eve of the Army-2015 military-technical forum, the Kalashnikov concern announced that a new type of modernization kit would soon be put into the army. The general director of the concern, Aleksey Krivoruchko, also said that the first order has already been completed, and that there is a contract with the Ministry of Defense for the supply of “body kits”. A few days after these News The kit was again shown to the public and the military.

At the same time, it was announced that the “Kit” system in the “Kalashnikov” version is distinguished by maximum simplicity and versatility. All elements of the kit are fully compatible with any existing AK weapons. In this case, the necessary devices can be installed on the machine in the minimum time and in any conditions. It takes no more than 15-20 minutes. All work can be performed by army units, without sending weapons to the plant.

In November, 2015, the new work of the Kalashnikov concern was awarded a prize. The Expert Council of the Union of Scientific Engineering and Public Offices decided to award the concern to them. M.T. Kalashnikov for creating a promising universal set of modernization of automatic machines.



In 2016, the enterprise-developer told about the possible development of events in the foreseeable future. The Kalashnikov Concern planned to receive an order from the Ministry of Defense for the massive modernization of existing machines of existing types. However, the approximate volumes of the possible order were not called then. It is known that in the units and in the warehouses of the Russian army there are about 17 million AK-74 and AK-74-type automata, and all of them are potential carriers of the long-term Obves.

It is obvious that the revision of all available machines does not make sense, and could also lead to unnecessary spending. However, a certain number of weapons will still have to be upgraded. Given the quantitative and qualitative indicators of the army, as well as the expected events of the foreseeable future, it can be assumed that the army will receive at least several hundred thousand sets of KM-AK. It is advisable to update all the machines that are in active operation, as well as parts of the weapon in storage. The vast majority of AK-74 while maintaining the original configuration, having some chance to upgrade in the future.

The first public demonstration of the results of OCD “Obves” by the authorship of the Kalashnikov concern took place almost three years ago. In the summer of 2015, the company's management spoke about the imminent delivery of new products to the army. As far as we know, the armed forces did receive a certain number of KM-AK kits, however, the full-scale modernization of existing weapons has not yet begun. However, the upgraded weapons have already passed a significant part of the necessary tests.



In November last year, some information was published about the tests of combat equipment “Warrior”, in the framework of which the AK-74M assault rifles were also controlled and equipped with the “Kit” kit. It was found that the modernized automaton exceeds the basic product in a number of parameters. For example, a gain of accuracy was obtained in 1,3 times. At the same time, the maintenance of weapons became more complicated. Incomplete disassembly of the machine with KM-AK now occupied an average of 47,5 with a standard 12,1 with. The build after that took 84 with the required 18,6 with.

The objective of the “Body Kit” program and the KM-AK project was to create a set of equipment capable of increasing the basic characteristics of an existing machine gun without the need to rework it. In fact, it was necessary to apply a modular approach: the machine itself turned into a fire module, which was required to be supplemented with “stationary” devices with the ability to install removable and replaceable ones. Due to this, it would be possible to improve the ergonomics of the weapon, as well as increase the potential of its sighting devices.

It should be noted that the current situation in the arms market to some extent facilitated the work of the authors of the KM-AK project. The Kalashnikov assault rifle is one of the most popular platforms, and a long time ago a variety of additional devices and accessories of various kinds appeared on the market. Thus, the participants of the “Obves” program could do without lengthy and complex research on finding basic solutions, and take into account someone else’s experience. The results obtained directly indicate that the kit was created, at least, with an eye on foreign developments.



At the same time, the Kalashnikov concern had obvious advantages over other developers and manufacturers of accessories. Being the creator of the upgraded machine and having access to the original design documentation, the company could avoid a lot of problems that could delay the development process.

To expand the capabilities of the weapon, the Obves project involves the use of new forearm and receiver covers. In front of the receiver, the shank is made of glass-filled polyamide, equipped with four standard Picatinny rail. Thanks to this, any compatible equipment can be mounted on the machine, such as flashlights, laser designators, etc. The metal cover of the receiver was reinforced and also received an integrated bar. Due to this, the standard open sight can be supplemented by any other system that meets the requirements of the customer.

New handguard can also be attributed to the means of improving ergonomics. Together with him, such tasks are solved by an updated pistol grip of the “anatomical” shape. The standard unregulated butt gave way to a folding telescopic product. Now the fighter can adjust the length of the butt for maximum convenience. Provides for the use of a new belt. It is proposed to use the improved flag of the fuse-translator of fire. A transverse protrusion appears in the middle of the flag, facilitating its movement.



The processing of the main parts and assemblies of the machine is not envisaged, however, in the KM-AK project there are some means to improve the technical and combat characteristics. So, instead of the standard muzzle brake compensator AK-74, it is now proposed to use a new device with enhanced characteristics. It is curious that at the parade 2015 of the year, at later exhibitions and in promotional materials appear machines with different DTC. This indicated both the development of the project and the emergence of new designs, and the possibility of using different products with different characteristics.

It is possible to install a silent firing device or a muzzle device for firing blank cartridges on the barrel. It was also reported that one of the new brake compensators can also be used as a starting device for rifle grenades of foreign production.

To date, the Obves kits from the Kalashnikov concern in limited quantities have been supplied only to the armed forces of Russia, where they are now undergoing comprehensive tests. It is likely that a contract will soon appear for the full-scale mass production of new devices for the modernization of existing weapons. But the timing of the appearance, the volume and cost of such a contract remain unknown.



For a long time there was a question about the possibility of supplying KM-AK kits to foreign countries. Kalashnikov assault rifles of various models and modifications are in service with many armies in the world, and some of them may be interested in the means of simple and fast modernization of such weapons. During the recent exhibitions, foreign military were able to get acquainted with the results of the ROC "Kit" and draw some conclusions. Also, this development has attracted the attention of foreign public. However, so far such interest has not led to real results. Information about the desire of a country to buy Russian modernization kits have not yet appeared.

In the foreseeable future, the new army will receive new weapons, but they will not be able to immediately take the title of the main weapon from the existing AK-74. To reduce the negative effects of such re-equipment and increase the combat capability of the units, a decision was made several years ago to modernize existing products. To date, a set of new equipment that improves the serial AK-74, has passed a number of basic steps and got to the tests in the army. The exact plans of the military department regarding this development are still unknown, but there is reason for optimistic forecasts.


On the materials of the sites:
https://kalashnikov.com/
http://rg.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://redstar.ru/
https://russian.rt.com/
https://vpk-news.ru/
https://vpk.name/
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 15 March 2018 06: 44
    +3
    The saint will become even holier!
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 15 March 2018 07: 05
      +6
      Quote: andrewkor
      The saint will become even holier!


      And stupid is dumber!

      This action of the Kalashnikov concern is reminiscent of the movements of AvtoVAZ - for decades they have been designing cars that other manufacturers have long discontinued!

      PS I have at Lada-Kalina ...
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 15 March 2018 07: 30
        0
        I hope you are not talking about me?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 08: 52
        +14
        Quote: Titsen
        I have at Lada-Kalina ...

        Me too. Normal car for the money, unpretentious and reliable.
        This is me about the WHA. And about the body kit AK, it really improves the machine, he shot from a converted AK 47 (Boar in my opinion) with an Israeli body kit. So, it’s much more convenient than a regular AK. With a collimator in general, super. hi
        1. DimanC
          DimanC 15 March 2018 15: 57
          0
          But what about a collimator sight in the dark? The backlight does not give out an arrow?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 16: 04
            +2
            Quote: DimanC
            The backlight does not give out an arrow?

            To be honest, I don’t know, I shot from a carbine of a friend, and in the afternoon. Although, if you follow the logic, the backlight can only be seen on the open collimator, but not on the closed one.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 March 2018 10: 05
        +13
        Quote: Titsen
        This action of the Kalashnikov concern is reminiscent of the movements of AvtoVAZ - for decades they have been designing cars that other manufacturers have long discontinued!

        In our warehouses there are simply deposits of Soviet machine guns.
        High quality, which, according to rumors, "Kalashnikov Concern" can not be achieved.
        So your example is unsuccessful. The car is already there, there is no need to design it.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 15 March 2018 15: 58
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          The car is already there, there is no need to design it.

          Quote: L. Carol
          You need to run as fast just to stay in place, but to get somewhere, you must run at least twice as fast!
          In your opinion, is it better if Ford T were relevant ?!
          PS Vesta
        2. Korax71
          Korax71 16 March 2018 01: 29
          +1
          High quality implies scatter when firing at the stated accuracy plus or minus half an arc minute. If you ever shot the AKs taken from the Soviet Union from storage, you would know that the accuracy of the battle dances from 3 to 5 moa from sample to sample.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 16 March 2018 09: 34
            +8
            Quote: Korax71
            if you ever shot the AKs taken from storage since the USSR’s release, you would know that from one model to another the accuracy of the battle dances from 3 to 5 moa.

            When I received the Soviet AKS-74 and AKS-74U for storage from my storage, I served in the army, and not played toys. Therefore, I did not deal with highly intellectual nonsense in the form of attempts to measure an ellipse in angular quantities, there was once
            1. Huumi
              Huumi 16 March 2018 10: 58
              0
              Cool ..! - short and clear as a shot
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 16 March 2018 19: 32
              +6
              And the older, the more willing they took laughing drinks The same was true for pistols - my best PM was 57th onwards, if I am not mistaken.
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 16 March 2018 10: 46
            0
            from pattern to pattern the accuracy of the battle dances

            the question is that on modern samples this indicator is even worse.
            At the same time, you can select an automatic machine with excellent accuracy from the AK in the unit, I did not measure it in moa, but the result is visible without the naked eye.
      4. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 7 August 2018 14: 47
        -1
        Of course, AK has served for a long time, and on its basis to create more "advanced" samples, with video aiming from behind cover, mounted multiply-charged grenade launchers, etc., to say nothing, they could not even cover the camouflage "coloring" chameleon, the level of sediment ...
  2. bunta
    bunta 15 March 2018 06: 57
    +4
    Concern Krivoruchko. In his best.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 15 March 2018 07: 47
    +5
    Another stupid wiring for money in the tradition of Western management .... look how you will courageously look with this kit ... this is not a kit, this obscuration.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 March 2018 10: 00
      +9
      Quote: Strashila
      Another stupid wiring for money in the tradition of Western management ....

      Just not the same.
      In the traditions of Western management, convince to buy new ones. What, in fact, they previously did.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 15 March 2018 13: 29
        +5

        Used a similar modification, the only complaint about the front handle is that IMHO does not need it.
      2. Rader
        Rader 15 March 2018 13: 48
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Strashila
        Another stupid wiring for money in the tradition of Western management ....

        Just not the same.
        In the traditions of Western management, convince to buy new ones. What, in fact, they previously did.

        Well, AK 12 of the 16th year model was crammed, although the difference between this "modern automatic" and AK 74 in the "Bodykit" is in regular sights. So the management of the concern is still working according to the precepts of Western management and they are not doing it badly.
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 15 March 2018 16: 00
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        In the traditions of Western management, convince to buy new ones.
        So they convinced AK-12 to buy, and new pants get dressed!
      4. bunta
        bunta 15 March 2018 20: 20
        0
        Quote: Spade
        In the tradition of Western management, persuade to buy new

        The task of the economy is the satisfaction of human needs, the task of marketing is the creation of these needs.
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 15 March 2018 07: 55
    +6
    “It was found that the upgraded machine surpasses the base product in a number of parameters. For example, a 1,3-fold increase in accuracy was obtained. At the same time, the maintenance of the weapon became more complicated." ... you can achieve the same effect by simply replacing the cartridges, bringing them up quality to finnish.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 16 March 2018 01: 37
      +1
      Theoretically, yes, but practically not. Here you need to use the weapon-cartridge complex in a complex. Coordinately increase the accuracy of one cartridge, in the presence of different processing quality even of muzzle sections on the trunks of one batch. All, in most cases, is fixable, but only with the use of hands and head.
  5. groks
    groks 15 March 2018 08: 06
    +11
    Reinforced the lid. What for? Stuck on her fashionable bar. What for? Well, the cover is not intended for installing body kits. The handle is tactical. Not even a single photo has it. What is left? A lantern and some protrusion on the translator of fire. A flashlight is just as necessary as the front handle. Those. sometimes not for everyone.
    I drank the budget.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 15 March 2018 08: 21
      +4
      Hungarians with Romanians on AK made different types of “tactical hilt” 60 years ago, they simply attached it, just squalor!
    2. san4es
      san4es 15 March 2018 09: 43
      +7
      Quote: groks
      Reinforced the lid. What for? Stuck on her fashionable bar. What for?,.

      ... It’s more convenient for someone to fight soldier
      1. groks
        groks 15 March 2018 09: 47
        +6
        In the photo, how many millimeters are left to the collimator before the start of the box? And no matter how perverted - the lid is a removable part and there can be no backlash there.
        1. san4es
          san4es 15 March 2018 09: 53
          +4
          the cover is a removable part

          ... Well this is - yes, so in the old way they put (many)

          ... Butt with forend + "muzzle", you can leave? .. Or "what for?"
          1. groks
            groks 15 March 2018 10: 07
            +2
            the old way
            Well, like this. The old way. Those. to a fixed part.
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 15 March 2018 13: 08
          +3
          The collimator is real up to 200 meters, because the error in the backlash of the receiver cover will allow a more accurate shot at a given distance than through a regular sight. True backlash tends to increase. But this is already determined empirically, i.e. at the shooting range.
        3. aws4
          aws4 15 March 2018 19: 02
          0
          to the point !!! those who offer to put the bar on the lid are enemies and they must be judged and imprisoned ... in all the photos and videos from Syria it can be seen that the specialists still attach the bar to the swallow and apparently not just like that ... the one who proposed this modernization was just komers and he does not care about the soldier ... !!!
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 25 March 2018 00: 40
            0
            Quote: aws4
            those who offer to put the bar on the cover are enemies

            On AK-12, if I remember correctly, the hinged cover is similar to that of AKSU - therefore, it is more suitable for any collimators. But to cling the sight to an ordinary cover - I can hardly imagine how to make it reliable (in the sense, without backlash).
    3. parma
      parma 15 March 2018 09: 44
      +6
      1) Reinforced the cover for the installation of optics (you can’t place the bar on the standard one), because the dovetail (or rather, not native sights on the adapter) is a terribly inconvenient thing
      2) the bar on the fore-end for mounting the scope "in scout" (those on the fore-end) - whichever is more convenient
      3) the front handle is a very convenient thing, first try, then judge (although to whom it is like)
      4) A lantern is a necessary thing, even during the day in large buildings with a small amount of natural light and without electricity (any workshop / shopping center, etc.), and during the database such buildings will be full ...
      5) An important revision-butt "M" -type-removes the backlash of domestic folding stocks and allows you to adjust for yourself ....
      Another question is that all this is a long time ago and they are trying to shove it as their "know-how" ...
      1. groks
        groks 15 March 2018 09: 59
        +1
        1.2. Yes, they would have made a special one long ago i.e. not an accidental sight and have calmed down with this.
        3. Yes. In the assault operations. From the hip when. In other cases, this is a violation of the genius ergonomics of AK.
        4. What kind of databases are these planned? We don’t need these.
        5. Without a bazaar.
        1. raw174
          raw174 15 March 2018 10: 42
          +4
          Quote: groks
          Yes, they would have made a special one long ago i.e. not an accidental sight and have calmed down with this.

          Then we say: “why did they invent the bicycle, because it’s easier to make a mount!” But really easier. I have a “Thread-A” collimator, on a hunting saiga, and now basically everything hangs on a swallow’s tail ... I stopped using the collimator, I shoot in the old way, the cell is a fly.
          Quote: groks
          From the hip when. In other cases, this is a violation of the genius ergonomics of AK.

          I didn’t shoot with the handle, but from the stand, or in motion, in my opinion it will be more convenient. My height is 195 cm, the butt of the AKS is short for me, when shooting the left hand, on the forearm, close to the shoulder, it is not convenient, it is more convenient to hold on the front of the forearm, the handle would be to the point. This is a theoretical calculation, I repeat, I did not shoot with the handle ...
          Quote: groks
          What kind of databases are these planned? We don’t need these.

          Will we sit in a field in a trench? Now most of the databases in the city are coming. Plus the specifics of the units (not talking about specialists) ...
          1. groks
            groks 15 March 2018 11: 56
            +1
            1. What prevents to punch the bar instead of LH? Well, if you already decided that there is no way without Picatinny, then we sculpt it. But not on the part that is removable. No matter how hard this part is.
            2. What makes it difficult to make a wooden handle, secure it with at least a wire with blue electrical tape and try it? For me it turns out like this - both hands are in the same plane and the weapon begins to play along the axis of the barrel. You can probably get used to it, but it makes sense.
            3. AK made for the trench, for the earth. In it, absolutely everything is optimal for this.
            In the room, the handle doesn’t give anything much, if, again, you don’t water from the hip, that is, without emphasis on the shoulder. For specialists it would be possible to go broke on a special weapon.
            1. raw174
              raw174 15 March 2018 12: 09
              +1
              Quote: groks
              But not on the part that is removable. No matter how hard this part is.

              Here I think in the design bureau there are more competencies than ours, as the big giraffe says, and the military are not fools, since they take it, so it makes sense, moreover, they are at war with it ...
              Quote: groks
              What prevents to make a wooden handle, to fix it with a wire with a blue electrical tape and try it?

              I’m not in the army now and I don’t have access, but I don’t need a hunting rifle, there’s no pistol handle either)))
              Quote: groks
              For me it turns out like this - both hands are in the same plane and the weapon begins to play along the axis of the barrel. Probably you can get used to it, but it makes sense.

              So you can’t say for sure, you need to try in practice ...
              Quote: groks
              AK made for the trench, for the earth. In it, absolutely everything is optimal for this.
              In the room, the handle doesn’t give anything much, if, again, you don’t water from the hip, that is, without emphasis on the shoulder. For specialists it would be possible to go broke on a special weapon

              It was made for any conditions, and in the building you need not a pen, but a lantern, as the user parma said, I also had a lantern in mind. And if you shoot from the hip, then it doesn’t matter, it’s more like a suppression fire, rather than accurate shooting ... But specialists have a lot of special weapons.
            2. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 15 March 2018 13: 13
              +1
              The trap handle can be folded if not already made
    4. CTABEP
      CTABEP 15 March 2018 09: 59
      +3
      Because without a bar, the collimator cannot be set normally. Well, the butt is clearly more convenient than the native. Another thing is that not everyone needs such a body kit, but only first-line fighters - well, as far as I understand, they are not going to tune all tens of millions of AKs in warehouses with this body kit. But if the state supplies it to at least the warring units, and not the military, at its own expense, it will be just fine.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 15 March 2018 13: 38
        +1
        Seven million, to be precise, not tens of millions.
  6. parma
    parma 15 March 2018 08: 22
    +2
    Excuse me, what’s new here? All these gadgets have been around for a long time both in our country and abroad in the civilian market ... again, money is being cut mercilessly ...
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 15 March 2018 13: 00
      +5
      again sawing money mercilessly ...

      Before inserting for the "cut" look at the clips of the work of special forces? There are also almost all body kits. And the difference is that those body kits are bought on their own, on blood. These will be issued. Who saw what. I knew that there would be figures shouting for "cutting the dough."
      1. parma
        parma 15 March 2018 14: 16
        +1
        I’m talking about calling the kit of weapons Chinese components their work ... Or (even easier) why not allocate money to the fighters for remaking for themselves (they do this in the American MTR)
        1. Tarasve
          Tarasve 15 March 2018 16: 14
          +1
          That's just the point, not to buy where you have to, but to choose what you need in the warehouse.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 15 March 2018 17: 42
            +1
            and choose what you need in the warehouse.

            Here. The main thing checked and produced in accordance with the technical task.
      2. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 18 March 2018 17: 43
        0
        So this is exactly what I saw. And yet - rollback. Not everything that is good for a specialist is good for a motorized infantry, the most useful thing to wear in a body kit is light optics 1-4x24 on a bracket. But this must be created! It's not just to import Chinese components, to hand over a rollback and report. Somehow gave birth to a domestic collimator, when the type of collimator sight itself ceased to be interesting and modern
        According to the mind in the subject, the kit should have been four parts - a new Izhevsk forend with picatinny rails, a new fuse with a shelf, an optical sight 1-4x24 or 1 / 4x24 with an integrated bracket for the side rail and suppressor
  7. Engineer
    Engineer 15 March 2018 08: 48
    +8
    Picatinny rail on the receiver cover? So that after each disassembly for cleaning re-set the optics? The bar on the forend on top of the vent pipe? Why is she there at all? Laughter and more! Front handle? Hollywood movies overlooked? Is the store on all the pics different? Is this a program or the author’s thoughts pulled from different articles?
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 15 March 2018 16: 10
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      So that after each disassembly for cleaning re-set the optics?
      Rather - after each shot.
      Well, or make a point in the collimator fatter wassat
      1. Huumi
        Huumi 16 March 2018 11: 08
        0
        I never shot with AK. Do you think the collimator will lead away from the receiver while fixing the lid? -If yes how much? -I'm curious ...
        1. parma
          parma 16 March 2018 12: 25
          +1
          he’ll take away, and shoot down the sighting, as much as his Majesty’s case
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 16 March 2018 12: 46
          +1
          If there is at least some kind of backlash - significantly.
          Here at the open sight, if the sighting line is a meter long, then everything increases by a multiple of the distance (an offset of 1 mm - by 300 m will give 30 cm), but here everything will become much stronger.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 16 March 2018 19: 49
      +4
      So optics "exhibit" must be after each disassembly, and so on. I agree with the rest drinks
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 March 2018 22: 00
      +1
      Quote: Engineer
      The bar on the forend on top of the vent pipe? Why is she there at all?

      LC and IR illumination ...
      1. tracer
        tracer 18 March 2018 20: 45
        +1
        Well, which looks pretty brutal .. Sorry for the question, but honestly, are you a fetishist? Well, just be honest. React only to gadgets? Ok .. Then where are the headphones? Where is the mp3 player? It looks cool ... And now we will analyze the subject of your adoration in the photo. What do we see?
        1. The gas tube is most likely made of aluminum alloy .... Yes, yes, not of iron but of alloy .. Look carefully. There is no iron insert in the tube .. Look at the wall thickness. And how long will such shots last? Do you at least roughly understand how weapons steel differs from aluminum? That's something like that "by eye" ... That's right .. Just how long will this tube last? Also correct .. Not at all ...
        Move on..
        2. The plastic pillar of the front sight ... I’m silent about the durability of the plastic, “tear off like two fingers”, I won’t say a word about the fact that “it tightly” covers the target’s view, and it will shake when shooting on a gas pipe so that any the bolts will unscrew and the whole will shift. I just want to ask, but how are you aiming for them without a rear sights? Do you understand it yourself?
        3. Laser designator. "Hold me seven" ....))))) Have you ever held a military weapon in your hands? You understand that this is an "iron machine" .. The firing range of which only starts at 100 meters. And what distance do the "chickens" go there .. Look for fun. You will be surprised. Now let's imagine how you look at a 3 mm laser dot from a distance of 300 meters or even 100. Will you see it? Are you sure If not then the Hubble Telescope will help you ...
        4. The collimator sight ... Class !!! Run enemies fear, the pros went on the warpath .. A simple question. How will you aim through it if the entire laser pointer has blocked the entire review for you? Are you able to see through objects? Do you have any super powers?
        Summing up the above, I apologize a little for some familiarity. But, you lay out your conclusions about what you have probably already seen, you have no idea. The difference of opinion is good for the site, traffic, a lot of comets, etc. But I ask you to read material about weapons, because the information is SEA !!! Well do not study weapons on computer shooters.
  8. san4es
    san4es 15 March 2018 09: 21
    +6
    AK machine gun upgrade kit
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 15 March 2018 13: 26
      +3
      Purely in my opinion: in the video, the chamber for burning the gunpowder is smaller than on the AK-74 compensator. In this case, will the gunpowder burn out in a chamber of a smaller volume without blinding the shooter in the dark, as stated in the video?
      1. san4es
        san4es 15 March 2018 16: 12
        +2
        Quote: Black Colonel
        ... without blinding an arrow in the dark, as stated in the video?

        ... There should be more brake compensator than a flame arrester ... The basic version - they still upgrade once ... twenty. fellow
      2. Huumi
        Huumi 16 March 2018 11: 11
        0
        It would be interesting to watch the shooting at night ... It would be visual to say so ...
    2. aws4
      aws4 15 March 2018 19: 10
      +2
      disgrace !!!!! pointless modernization ... for an ordinary soldier a dovetail collimator is enough ... hucksters in a word traders.
      1. san4es
        san4es 15 March 2018 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: aws4
        ... modernization ... for an ordinary soldier a dovetail collimator is enough ... huckster.
        soldier
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=24&am
        p; v = toT5Yt0dW3w
        1. aws4
          aws4 15 March 2018 23: 11
          0
          here I am about the same))))))))
    3. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 25 March 2018 18: 52
      +1
      Suddenly it turned out that the muzzle device from AKML from the late 60s best extinguishes the flash)) it is necessary - it came)))
      The main thing was, of course, to promote the MO on this useless set. But why not do it for the sake of a rollback!
      1. san4es
        san4es 25 March 2018 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: Michael HORNET
        ... the muzzle device from AKML from the late 60s is the best

        hi ... Then, for his daylight hours:

        ... and in the dark, a flame arrester (according to the situation):

        PS ... The exhaust, it also depends on external factors (temperature, pressure, humidity)
  9. Curious
    Curious 15 March 2018 10: 09
    +11
    The author has an amazing talent - to crush a gram of information in a ton of breed.
    All the useful information in the article can fit in two to three paragraphs. The rest is transfusion from one to another.
  10. CRP
    CRP 15 March 2018 10: 33
    +3
    Quote: Curious
    The author has an amazing talent - to crush a gram of information in a ton of breed.
    All the useful information in the article can fit in two to three paragraphs. The rest is transfusion from one to another.

    I didn’t tell the most interesting - about other sets. It would be very interesting for me to see who offered what except KK.
    1. Curious
      Curious 15 March 2018 13: 38
      +5
      "I didn’t tell you the most interesting thing - about other kits."
      And he cannot talk about them, because no one knows anything about them, nor about the six enterprises that participated in the competition. Apparently, there were no six enterprises. They could write thirty-six. “Kalashnikov” heroically wins the contest himself, driving in a circle, just like the author of waste rock. But by ear.
  11. CRP
    CRP 15 March 2018 10: 38
    +1
    Drank the budget 100%
    Reason 1: if they wanted to set sights, they would set out starting in 1991, when the 74M appeared.
    Reason 2: the cost of the kit is unknown, which suggests some tricks with efficiency figures.
    Reason 3: we would like to increase efficiency, we would be allowed to shoot more often and we introduced advanced shooting techniques.

    This is subject to the condition that they will at least come in parts.
  12. Operator
    Operator 15 March 2018 10: 40
    +2
    How much do not weigh Kalash with picnets, anyway, the receiver cover will hang and knock down the scope.

    When will all Kalashi be brought to Africa by Aboriginal fans? laughing
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 25 March 2018 18: 53
      0
      Well, it's you in vain. The Kalashnikov system is not at all outdated and can be improved at a new technical level
      1. Operator
        Operator 25 March 2018 20: 15
        0
        Already, but not with us - the CZ 805 BREN B1 caliber 7,62x39 (with apper and lover), was adopted in the 2011 year.

        The Kalashnikov concern just needs to buy a license from Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod and close the question laughing
  13. alex-cn
    alex-cn 15 March 2018 10: 43
    +1
    For me, this is the only worthwhile addition to the standard AK-adjustable butt. Everything else, if necessary, is only for special forces. Or show off - and we can.
  14. CRP
    CRP 15 March 2018 10: 47
    +6
    Quote: Engineer
    Picatinny rail on the receiver cover? So that after each disassembly for cleaning re-set the optics?

    KSK with strips make much more rigid, quality matter.
    Quote: Engineer
    The bar on the forend on top of the vent pipe? Why is she there at all? Laughter and more!

    A bar for installing low-profile sights a la Aimpoint T-1 (co-witness), so that in the event of a collimator failure it would be possible to use mechanical sights.
    Quote: Engineer
    Front handle? Hollywood movies overlooked?

    The front handle significantly relieves the brush - try raising your hands at shoulder level and immediately understand what is more convenient: twisting the brush down or leaving it vertically. It is easier to control the toss of the barrel during firing, as the lever in the fore-end region becomes larger. You are an engineer, you have to understand.
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 15 March 2018 12: 36
      0
      do not waste your energy) here 90 percent of comments do not cause anything except laughter) about the bar on the receiver so that you don’t spend time just above the video, I advise you to look carefully at it.
    2. bunta
      bunta 15 March 2018 14: 35
      +6
      Quote: CRP
      Front handle significantly relieves brush

      oh don’t tell, the recoil vector along the trunk above the brush. Between the center of the grip of the brush and the axis is a lever. Pick up the hammer by the handle and twist the brush. And now for the piece of iron and also twist. If you do not understand the difference, you are Hercules.
      Quote: CRP
      You are an engineer, you have to understand.


      Engineers and understand it all perfectly. And even better practical hands, which in the 2016 year somehow all at once suddenly abandoned these arms, and replaced them with a long grip. We haven’t gotten tired yet, but soon they will refuse it. They will invent a new thread.
    3. Bredovich705
      Bredovich705 15 March 2018 22: 26
      +1
      Try to quickly change the store with such a handle, immediately forget all the amenities.
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 25 March 2018 18: 54
        0
        It depends on where it stands and what size. The one in the kit is too long, and in this form is not needed, no doubt. Well, people who do not understand the topic of belmez do this)
  15. Double major
    Double major 15 March 2018 12: 36
    +1
    As a rifle of the middle of the last century is not an upgrade, it is still a rifle of the middle of the last century ...
    1. parma
      parma 15 March 2018 14: 22
      +2
      Like the M-16/4, and by the way, almost all European trunks (hello to different AR-1 * from Eugene)
  16. tracer
    tracer 15 March 2018 14: 14
    +11
    That's what you want to do, but I personally am confused by the following in this prodigy.
    1. The removed back of the mechanical sight !!!!
    Assembled weapons should ALWAYS always be ready for battle. And effective. And “effective” means to hit the target and you can’t do without a rear pillar.
    2. Sight calimator type.
    Let's look at this unit. The sight is mounted on a picatinny rail. And it seems normal. But the problem is that once shot and put back into place again on the monolithic (I emphasize) with the receiver picatinny rail will always be shifted relative to the aiming point. You simply, no matter how hard you try, never put it so "micronically" exactly in place that the point of impact of the bullet coincides with the aiming point. The very design of the strap does not allow this. And the sight will look at best "in that direction."
    The design of the caliber sight is designed for a “direct” shot even in a pistol, even in a machine gun, but anywhere. There are exceptions, such as ACOG from TRIJICON. It’s not a bad thing, but I’ve been able to repeatedly prove in a dash of 200 yards (and this is the most effective range for firing) that the firing efficiency at the speed of the SCS and ACOG sights is about the same, but with fast transfer of fire 50 -75-100-150 --200, for unknown purposes, the picture changes dramatically. The shooter with SKS (an example of a similar AKMS sight) finds and strikes them much faster since the viewing angle is not limited by the possibility of optics. And this is a direct shot !!!!! Now imagine the same thing but with a maximum distance of 500-600 meters. With the mechanical whole, it’s just that it is graduated at a distance by numbers ... And the aiming point in the calimator is only one and is set at a certain distance. A shooter with such an aim will simply not get anywhere. I’m silent about that, the laser dot on the optics is needed, than project the lenses onto the glass. And this is most often the battery installed in the sight housing. Now tell me how the batteries never go cold around -25-30. And the always-forever smiling sergeant will bring you another batch of fresh batteries. By the way, to replace them, you will most likely be forced to remove it from your weapon, and for this time you will find yourself in a non-operational state. And you will remain in the same unserviceable state after changing the batteries)))))))))) Because your sight has already been "shot down" and you need to shoot it again .... Ask the enemy for time to reconcile it.
    But this also will not help much if there is fog at dawn, or just fog, because you will not see the target behind the reddish, blotchy spot visible in the sight. Well, I’ll add a little more “pepper”.
    3. The bracket with the picatini strap is removable, which means it will break out (will be) when firing and on which shot it will float, after which queue it is unknown. And what I disassembled, cleaned and run on a new shoot it by itself ..
    Well, how did everyone like the body kit? Is it a good truth? Another still-born miscarriage of marketers is unfortunately their own, Russian gloomy geniuses.

    1. parma
      parma 15 March 2018 14: 57
      0
      Have you ever seen one modern collimator in reality (as an example of EOtech)? There, to replace the batteries, even a screwdriver is not really needed ... In addition, there are batteries that are charged from the outlet ... As proof, any modern army in the world and the MTR is almost in any, even in the most miserable country ....
      Of the minuses of such sights, I would rather call the glow in the dark - it’s not regrettable that the same EOtech very much unmasks in the dark (tested on airsoft) ...
      1. tracer
        tracer 15 March 2018 15: 12
        +2
        Dear colleague. As a practicing shooter for 30 years, I have seen a very, very much. Including this subject a little clear to you. Applicable to our conversation, we are not discussing it, and even if we imagine that the batteries change without removing the essence, this does not change. In my personal use on the M4 ACOG (I give as an example) has been around for about 6 years. And believe me, I am well aware of the topic we are discussing. Unlike perhaps many potential opponents.
    2. CentDo
      CentDo 15 March 2018 15: 33
      +1
      Dear, why did you get the idea that the machine was deprived of the rear sight? Take a closer look at the photo, in my opinion it is clearly visible on them. In the same place as in the usual. If I'm wrong, then correct.
      1. tracer
        tracer 15 March 2018 16: 06
        +2
        Tell me, do you often see what is not? How long have you had this?
        1. CentDo
          CentDo 15 March 2018 17: 13
          0
          I’m not rude to you at all. Or is it your usual style of communication? Specially wrote: if not right, then correct. What is the protruding part in the place where the ordinary AK-74M has a rear sight? If this is not him, then explain what it is. Since you are such a great specialist, share your knowledge.
          1. tracer
            tracer 15 March 2018 18: 49
            +1
            I apologize for the somewhat harsh answer to you. Sinful ... Ah, if there was such a method, I would agree to personally pass on my rather extensive experience to you personally without hesitation. Actually, I’m glad even of this situation in which you felt a lack of knowledge. And I will consider it my great merit if you begin to read and study in the subject we are discussing.
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 17 March 2018 11: 16
          0
          / facepalm

          44 second movie.

          1. tracer
            tracer 18 March 2018 20: 57
            0
            Yes, there really is. I apologize. But to "cut off" the normal long barrel in range by making it an AKSU, who would ever think of that? What at a distance of more than 200 meters they no longer shoot? Look how small it is in height. And you will realize that this is exactly 200 meters maximum.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 25 March 2018 01: 19
            0
            on the 37th second
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 15 March 2018 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: tracer
      But it also will not help much if at dawn the fog
      And what to do with it, after a short run in sticky snow?
      Or had to dunk weapons in the mud?
      With this in mind, weapons can not be checked for resistance to pollution, probably ...
      1. tracer
        tracer 15 March 2018 18: 43
        +1
        Why argue with those who only saw a machine on a toy on TV? Everything works fine there. That is why “they” (opponents) are undeniably confident in their innocence. God forbid, of course, but life in which case will quickly teach the laws of physics, and if not. "No and no trial."
  17. tracer
    tracer 15 March 2018 15: 02
    +2
    Quote: CRP
    A bar for installing low-profile sights a la Aimpoint T-1 (co-witness), so that in the event of a collimator failure it would be possible to use mechanical sights.

    Can you then demonstrate it in the photo? Mechanical ...? And yes, you with his flick of the wrist click on the picatinny rail. Just do not forget to shoot .... after that. And most, if not all "fastened" mechanical sights are aimed at ONE !!!!! a certain distance. The corrections scale is not there. The bulk of such sights are made of plastic ..
  18. tracer
    tracer 15 March 2018 15: 04
    +3
    Quote: CRP
    The front handle significantly relieves the brush - try raising your hands at shoulder level and immediately understand what is more convenient: twisting the brush down or leaving it vertically. It is easier to control the toss of the barrel during firing, as the lever in the fore-end region becomes larger. You are an engineer, you have to understand.

    The weapon is designed to hit the target and not for the convenience of holding it. I’ll tell you a secret .... It’s generally convenient to lie on the couch, but you’ll hardly hit an opponent from him (except his wife) ....
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 25 March 2018 18: 56
      0
      Without the convenience of retention, there will be no defeat of the target. These parameters are interrelated, but the handle is not in business here, especially in such a design
  19. tank66
    tank66 15 March 2018 16: 34
    +2
    Without a bazaar, the AK-74 is good. But, damn it, the first gray hair on the testicles appeared when / he, of course, an asshole / tried to shoot himself from a well-aimed darling while standing in a rice field. He is on a hill in a kilometer, I am knee-deep in mud on a plain . He has an old Lee-Enfield, I have a brand new AKS. As he plopped closer than a meter - I had to portray mud eel, it was good up to 100 meters. I would have left the kit all over it along the way. A joke of humor.
  20. CRP
    CRP 15 March 2018 16: 39
    0
    Quote: bunta

    oh don’t tell, the recoil vector along the trunk above the brush.

    What does the return vector mean? As far as I know, the return can only be in one direction - the opposite direction of the shot.
    Throwing and withdrawal of the barrel occurs due to the return movement of the automation mechanism (bolt frame). To prevent this phenomenon, you need a handle.
    Quote: bunta

    Between the center of the grip of the brush and the axis is a lever. Pick up the hammer by the handle and twist the brush. And now for the piece of iron and also twist. If you do not understand the difference, you are Hercules.

    What axis? In my case (I'm not a shooter, which of course will lead you to indescribable delight, because the value of my words will fade), it is more convenient with a vertical handle - in any position.
    Quote: bunta

    Engineers and understand it all perfectly. And even better practical hands, which in the 2016 year somehow all at once suddenly abandoned these arms, and replaced them with a long grip. We haven’t gotten tired yet, but soon they will refuse it. They will invent a new thread.

    Practical shooting is still a sport, speed is important there. Hence, the weight of the product should be minimal, for aiming speed and other things. I repeat, I have nothing to rattle about (and you can even be Napoleon on the Internet), but the ability to use increases the ability to perform even the simplest task. The front handle is more comfortable.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 15 March 2018 19: 09
      +3
      Quote: CRP
      What does the return vector mean?
      The vector along which the weapon moves when fired.
      Quote: CRP
      As far as I know, the return can be only in one direction - the opposite direction of the shot.
      No! Maybe in the direction of the shot - it all depends on the design and type of weapon.
      Quote: CRP
      Throwing and withdrawal of the barrel occurs due to the return movement of the automation mechanism (bolt frame).
      No! Both toss and pull are available for single-barrel, single-shot. How to explain?
      Quote: CRP
      To prevent this phenomenon, you need a handle.
      This is all nonsense! Neither one nor the other qualitatively can be compensated by the handle under the barrel. If only to clamp it in a vice.
      Quote: CRP
      What axis?
      Weapons.
      Quote: CRP
      In my case (...!), It is more convenient with a vertical handle - in any positions.
      No! There is already a handle for controlling weapons around the axis of the barrel (under the right hand), and under the forearm another one - why?! Moreover, when holding a muscle group a little different - fatigue will come faster. Yes, and the left hand directs the weapon up / down, left / right, and the handle is not convenient - competition with the right hand.
      Quote: CRP
      Practical shooting is still a sport, speed is important there.
      And in the fighting - is it important to just shoot? fool
      Quote: CRP
      Hence, the weight of the product should be minimal, for aiming speed and other things.
      Rave! Look at the sports trunks for high-speed shooting - they are weighted to the limit (the shooter or, if he is strong, the permissible mass)!
      Quote: CRP
      The front handle is more comfortable.
      Buy a pneumatic barrel, if you don’t accept a gun, try it.
      1. tracer
        tracer 15 March 2018 23: 40
        +1
        Well, why are you arguing with such people? They felt the full power of the "Unified State Examination" ... In order for such people to understand what you are writing about, at least they need to finish again the last 5 classes of the Soviet decade. Better yet, after that, what institute to learn. And the worst thing is that it’s not their fault. By God, good people are clearly not patriots, but patriots (I don’t like this word but haven’t found another one now). But here you talk to such and somehow it becomes sad. But they come to replace us .. We basically already served our own, now serve them, but will they survive? The big question.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 16 March 2018 02: 35
          +2
          Quote: tracer
          Well, why are you arguing with "those"?
          Sometimes it's worth arguing with "such"because they read and adequate people who are just a little lacking for correct images. For such - you can try.
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 17 March 2018 11: 21
          0
          Quote: tracer
          We felt the full power of "Unified State Examination"


          What an irony. This is rubbed on by a person who is clinically unable to correctly format the text.

          Punctuation is not preceded by a space.
          1. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET 18 March 2018 18: 03
            +1
            The front handle of SUCH size is not needed, it’s basically not really needed on AK, on ​​the RPK just right (but there is another, thicker forearm, you can’t grab it on top. Nobody holds the front handle with a hammer grip, because the machine starts talking in horizon (they said correctly about the vector)
            The whole became a cross over for two distances. In theory, at 200 and 400 meters (if done wisely) Miserable. Although it may be enough for a teapot, it still can’t shoot
  21. CRP
    CRP 15 March 2018 16: 42
    +1
    Quote: tracer

    The weapon is designed to hit the target and not for the convenience of holding it.


    A conclusion worthy of attention, of course ...
    It’s like a car for driving. A plane to fly ...
    1. tracer
      tracer 15 March 2018 18: 37
      +2
      Everything is so, except that if you do not hit the target at the right time, then the target will hit you. Do not feel the fundamental difference?
  22. Bredovich705
    Bredovich705 15 March 2018 22: 35
    +2
    "Body kit" sucks rare. The receiver’s lid is installed only with a hammer and a file, the fuse flags must be turned off with a crowbar to work, and sometimes when this gadget is installed, a single fire disappears, the gas tube lining dangles when shooting and moves forward to the stop. Deficiencies identified within one hour.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 17 March 2018 11: 22
      0
      Proofs will or should we take a word?
  23. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper 16 March 2018 00: 42
    +2
    Well, except for all the new features and accessories, and the "Govnotinny" rail, what's new in mechanics, mechanism, device of the machine ????
    The accuracy will be the same as with an ordinary 74ku ... what happened to the best AEK 971 rifle?
    Why didn’t they finish it? Problems with reliability were not fixed and put into service ???
    Why is the Kalashnikov concern receiving all orders for firearms if the best samples were made there at other backwaters / institutes ????
    In general, the “Kalashnikovs” did something new besides the fake modernization, which consists of replacing good parts from steel with govnoplastikovye and installing unnecessary rails for accessories that have no common soldier in ammunition ?????
    Where is the real Russian engineering genius ??? Where are the Tula gunsmiths ???

    Quote: Titsen
    Quote: andrewkor
    The saint will become even holier!


    And stupid is dumber!

    This action of the Kalashnikov concern is reminiscent of the movements of AvtoVAZ - for decades they have been designing cars that other manufacturers have long discontinued!

    PS I have at Lada-Kalina ...
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 18 March 2018 18: 05
      +1
      Hi Belia! All private traders who are able to think and create something do not work in QC)
  24. beeper
    beeper 16 March 2018 14: 19
    +2
    As a "soldier who does not know the words of love," I will say that I think about such "body kits", my personal (maybe erroneous) opinion, IMHO, is to be dragged.
    In my opinion, it wouldn’t be worth it to sculpt “this” to the classical design - it looks poor, the quality of the alteration is doubtful, the functionality is conditional, and there is a lot of “hemorrhoid”, in all respects.
    There are some lovers of such "bells and whistles", they would be counted, by the method of interrogation (any, written, verbal, on the Internet), add, "for a full guarantee", to this small amount there are still as many, and on this "integral" indicators to "disfigure" body kits "the same number of machines and no more!
    The "anatomical" handle with a cavity for a pencil case with an accessory is a priori prone to cracking and breaking off parts of it, with the loss of accessories, the "anatomical" handle with recesses under the fingers is also controversial, one is wearing gloves, and sometimes, one feels it’s just like feeling with a bare hand change the position of the hand, and the fucking "anatomy" interferes, not everything is so simple yes !
    The same can be done with a stock-on-stock stock-set of spacers or extensions (not protruding beyond the transverse dimensions of the stock stock) and according to the “measuring layout (to construct for the Kalashnikov assault rifle, similar to those used in hunting rifle manufacturing firms for individual orders)” individual features of the “butt” of each fighter and, accordingly, to extend the butt distance from the stop in the shoulder to the trigger — even a folding butt, with this approach, will retain all its functionality and initially Its stiffness will not suffer, it will never "slurp", as it will be - "adjustable butt"!
    About the "spinned" fore-end that "crush water" is not a convenience for soldiers ’hands at all; this miracle by Kalashnikov’s merchants was peeped and borrowed from other merchants, which was described in the article" transparently "?!
    Different situations arise, for example, lying behind cover, shoot into the gap under it, that is, put the machine gun sideways ... and the fore-arm thickened, and even the Picatini cling to everything and grab the dirt, and not at all ... ., nor to the Red Army, will not let this be done in order to defeat the adversary or support his comrades with fire ?! A rare case, you say, and if your life depends on it, your comrades will be taken away and you, too, will get such a "tuned with a collimator" ?!
    In addition, as commentators have already said here, and I completely agree with them, the dignity of the “plaque” on the receiver cover is only speculative — the combat value of such a “picatini” tends to be negative and I have absolutely no faith in the “optics” installed on it!
    For the mark and fast shooting up to 300 meters, I always had enough of a full-time open AK sight, it's all about the skill and understanding of the essence of the aiming process yes
    It’s like in that “joke about the Buryats,” he saw a working oil rig, approached and asked the geologist: “What are they doing?”, He said to him: “They are drilling!”
    The Buryats grinned, looked at the geologist as a fool, and said: "The Buryats, however, are not doing it like that!"
    So with the "body kit", the cart was put in front of the horse!
    To meet modern requirements, the machine must be re-arranged accordingly, then the Picatinny rail is integrated into the structure, will carry its part of the total load and provide rigidity! And other functions can be optimized in the light of new knowledge, technologies and new materials that were not available at the time of the creation of AK and its clones.
    What I see from “KK” is pathetic (but disproportionately expensive!) Attempts to “enter the same water” an infinite number of times, very similar to a dull “butting with a gate”, without a twinkle and a hitch ?! No, well, peppy "commercials" with shootings are even more often shot than before, campaigning for "their products", lads with the "KK" logo on their chests even try to "show and tell" authoritatively, but this is all "old songs about the Main ", attempts to leave for the authority of Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov, essentially giving nothing really new, stomping on the spot! How is it here, on Topvar.ru, someone already recalled from Lewis Carroll - you need to very, very quickly run to stay at least with your own? The market for tuning “Kalashi” has been fruitfully rolling out for decades already by firms and firms around the world, and “KK” have just woken up and are waiting for orders for their compiled “speed modernization kits”?
    "Circus on the dart" with these "heirs", you can not say otherwise!
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 16 March 2018 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: pishchak
      In my opinion, it wouldn’t be worth it to sculpt “this” to the classical design - it looks poor, the quality of the alteration is doubtful, the functionality is conditional, and there is a lot of “hemorrhoid”, in all respects.

      As a former commander of the MCP, I recall how they themselves tried to "improve" the AK-74 in the late 80s. They made LED nozzles for night shooting, set rifle diopters. Only on inspections one horseradish shot with a standard weapon. Therefore, shooting exercises were carried out 2-3 times a week. Separately, they trained shooting at the first frontier in “10” and “6”, because the defeat of 2 targets was already “satisfactory”. When the UKS began to be shot not with a permanent sight but with a “3”, things went more fun. The fire company always handed over to the "choir". We have not heard of any picatini. They simply stuffed a hand, they understood that the machine was good, but brutal. The small Uzbek was not as comfortable as the tall Peters. I think that trying to improve the ergonomics of weapons is still necessary. And you also need to communicate with the "infantry" more often, to delve into the intricacies of the development of weapons by recruits.
      1. beeper
        beeper 17 March 2018 01: 14
        +1
        About this, about his constant communication with the infantry and border guards who daily operated AK in the tail and mane in all the climatic zones of the Soviet Union and always spoke M.T.Kalashnikov, referring to young weapons designers. He advised me to promptly implement the overdue changes ...
        And then soooo profanity in the "concern" of his name, the level of creativity as in some kind of "sharash-montage" ?!
        hi
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 17 March 2018 08: 15
          +1
          Quote: pishchak
          And then soooo profanity in the "concern" of his name, the level of creativity as in some kind of "sharash-montage" ?!

          It remains only to add, do better ....
          1. beeper
            beeper 18 March 2018 08: 41
            +1
            Are you really so naive ... or ... the most important thing in KK and this is a business proposal smile ?
            hi
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 18 March 2018 16: 20
              +1
              Quote: pishchak
              Are you so naive ..

              Of course, I’m not naive and I understand that you can do little to get rid of any manifestation of engineering thought. Envy and a narrow horizons are to blame. I think so... hi
              1. beeper
                beeper 18 March 2018 19: 18
                +2
                The question suggested exactly your answer "no (now there are fewer naive even among kindergarteners smile )! "and not offend you at all!
                I had in mind that such an appetizing chunk of “cutting the budget”, the monopoly capitalists from KK (the same with the Chinese NORINCO, and with any large corporation around the world) will not be given to anyone outside! In the article, their priorities and “expectations” are clearly indicated — no one hides anything — to make money quickly on baaalsh orders!
                You’ll get across, they’ll erase the powder — even Marx wrote that “there is no crime that the capitalist would not commit”, sensing a big profit yes !
                Following your logic, I should a priori be enthusiastic about “any manifestation of engineering thought”, and even dull (both in design and in technical execution) “thought efforts” of amateurs in the engineering field — unless I need you and it answers our common interests and interests of the Russian State ?! smile
                As an experienced Soviet engineer who worked in the design and manufacture of weapons-like, in its mechanical and gas-dynamic basis, civilian machines and complexes, the production of plastic and stamped products and accessories for them, tools and accessories (everything that passed through my hands and embodied in metal now and it’s not possible to list, it’s just right to write a manual for designers and technologists, there is a plan, but there’s no life left, so in a hurry, I’m sharing something on the Web, in particular, you see “caring” "and to The instructor or technologist will understand what I mean and, perhaps, will take into account in the future, as I always took into account sensible critical remarks on my designs, this helped me a lot and helps me to grow above myself, not to get stuck on what has been achieved, or, panimash, some have bronzed over the years yes ) and other, with their own hands went over many civilian and gun-cannon mechanisms (including those engaged in bullet shooting and even shooting from tank weapons for many years — the Soviet Motherland and the working people did not spare material supplies, cartridges and shells for training me "military affairs in the present way" I myself was glad to study yes ) it’s enough for me to look at the design (including weapons) to understand how the designer or technologist thought, what he can learn from and what he was too lazy (he is a lazy person, I often force myself, and therefore lazy people feel good winked ) or could not, due to his low qualifications and "narrow horizons," do well, did not work ...
                It’s a shame for me for the Power, my Russian Fatherland!
                I want the next generation of Russian people to go further and achieve greater success than us! I want the Russian Designers to be on the cutting edge of Progress!
                And for this, domestic creators of technology need to work on themselves, constantly learn, know the history of technology and insatiably absorb new knowledge, develop creative thinking, be bold and boldly take reasonable initiative, achieving clearly defined goals!
                Everything that a person is able to imagine, it is possible to do, always remember this! yes
                A good machine for the Russian army, as I see it, for me (like anyone who is clear-minded and hardworking, a designer) to construct not a tricky one and a couple of concepts for this I will have, but all the near future I will be in the wrong "life limits (expressed in terms of -esopian) "," force majeure circumstances ", alas, do not blow my mind yes .
                hi
                PS In addition to the compilation “body kit” from KK, I recently “cheated”, because I was very “jealous” smile , an unfinished "working model", a Chinese self-shooting knife (and, incidentally, a mistake, IMHO, the concept of NRS-2), a worthless Czech "unique field pig" of 7,62 mm caliber and a commemorative libel to the Red Army and the Soviet Army, responded quite critically to Izhevsk and Kovrov "latest samples" of machines, and so, on the little things yes ... and I don’t promise for the future - soon you will be able to "meninusat", dear ARES623, and you will be happy! wink
                hi
                1. ARES623
                  ARES623 18 March 2018 20: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: pishchak
                  A good machine for the Russian army, as I see it, for me (like anyone who is clear-thinking and hardworking, a designer) to construct is not tricky

                  Well, if you present yourself as a constructor, then it is doubly annoying for a person working with his head to hear the arrogant contemptuous opinion of someone else's same work. And if there is something to share with colleagues, in the form of recommendations, etc., then it is better to write them, and do not throw manure on the fan. We all someday will "get out", it is important to leave a good memory for ourselves, and not a worried sense of smell. I see like that .....
                  1. beeper
                    beeper 19 March 2018 00: 02
                    +4
                    No arrogance, I was simply "envious" that having such great corporate capabilities the weapons "mountain gave birth to a mouse," such a "dung" yes
                    Now they’re thinking how to “arm” the army?
                    Of course, I understand that “KK” is only a trademark now, and not centuries-old weapon traditions, and the famous Kalashnikov principles of designing small arms are forgotten, abandoned, the bar is lowered and profit is put at the forefront in any way, and there is no way to grow grass there?
                    Engineers at the plant are in the habit of telling the truth-uterus in person, because if you make a mistake, the designer on your computer’s paper on the paper screen doesn’t work out and didn’t think much of it, then its “jambs” come out “sideways” already in the metal, it’s a lot of blood in production shops -nerves to correct and bring to mind such a design flaw, but there are "star-studded" designers who believe that his "masterpiece project-ingenious plan" was allegedly "misunderstood" and "ruined" by the workshops yes ... then, put out the light!
                    As in the army, and everywhere, someone's laziness, negligence, non-fulfillment, incompetence have to pay with their blood, and sometimes their lives, to other people, more conscientious, more responsible, more competent! Therefore, it is better to say everything at once and without derelictness - it stimulates to quality work and a responsible attitude to the common cause, what do you think?
                    It’s always good when the customer knows exactly what he needs and requires no less from the creators of the machine (a sample of weapons, as a special case), and does not rejoice, like a beggar, any handing, “any manifestation” of commercial interest in himself, that is, not even yourself, and to your wallet.
                    Once again I repeat, my opinion may be erroneous, the combat value of this “body kit” is zero and even negative.
                    I know pretty well the construct of AK (we still had three different early modifications in the school, converted into educational ones, I know them thoroughly since childhood, and then carefully studied all the samples that came across to me), so I can roughly imagine what the copy designers of imported commercials could go " "
                    Without a fundamental alteration of the basic design, it is profanity, vicious "self-illusion" and "pumping money," IMHO.
                    hi
                2. bunta
                  bunta 18 March 2018 20: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: pishchak
                  It’s just right to write a manual for designers and technologists, there is a plan, but there’s no life left,

                  And not ashamed?
                  6 March 2018 year on the 101 year of life, Alexander Malimon died. I hope you should not mention who it is. Until the last day, he worked on his next book. Write and the benefits to society will be and live longer.
                  1. beeper
                    beeper 19 March 2018 00: 58
                    +4
                    Dear Andrey! What a shame! yes Thank you for your moral support!
                    “Theoretically I know” that “clues”, unfinished important deeds and attachments, prolong life. I sketch some sketches for myself, and I wrote them down as a young man, sketched various structural and technological “nuances”, I experimented and participated in tests of interesting mechanisms in my production — I can clearly imagine my book’s conceptual goal and purpose yes , and there’s some journalistic experience, so I’ll try to give something “uphill” that is readable and unforgettable smile
                    I grieve over the death of the Author of my favorite book, I was just planning to re-read "Patriotic Automatons" once again, each time I discover something new for myself, as if I find nuggets, "walked-walked" by, and then, bang, as if I stumbled peered a little from a different angle, and this thought is gold! Here’s such a book for me by Malimon Alexander Andreevich — there is a “philosopher's stone” in it that fuses together my knowledge obtained from the memoirs of domestic designers-gunsmiths and from Fedorov’s and well-worn books, textbooks, all the details known so far merge into a single big picture and come to life in front of the mind's eye, creating the effect of presence ...
                    As if he had lost a loved one .... I didn’t know that Alexander Andreevich was preparing another book — even an unfinished version would be interesting to read.
                    I wish you creative success, Andrey, all the Good and good Health!
                    All of us have a peaceful sky above our heads and over our common Russian Fatherland!
                    hi
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 17 March 2018 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: pishchak
      The same can be done with a stock-on-stock stock; it is possible to make a set of spacers or extensions (not protruding beyond the transverse dimensions of a stock stock) and according to the “measuring layout (to construct for the Kalashnikov assault rifle, similar to those used by individual hunting rifle manufacturing firms)” measure individual features of the “application” of each fighter and, accordingly, lengthen the butt


      First, to customize each machine for a specific fighter is not even a flawed decision, but an anti-decision. The machine should be convenient to anyone who took it.

      Secondly, the same soldier in summer (thin) and winter (thick) uniforms, in one or another body armor or without it, needs a different stock length.

      Thirdly, a shortened butt is needed in cramped conditions. In some cases, this is significantly more useful than the ability to fold it to the side.
      1. beeper
        beeper 18 March 2018 08: 36
        +2
        Did you take out of context what is more convenient for you to comment on? yes
        In the preamble to his post, he clearly stated that “tuning” should only be for specific needs, a limited number of machines! For units that really have such a need, rather than "make happy" the whole army, as suggested by the "KK" smile (After all, limiting the number of "mutilated" AKs was one of the main messages of my comment!)
        That is, within such a unit, it is possible to make an individual fit (why not, because the gunsmith, usually in Soviet times, was included in the squad, probably, is happening the same way now?) For each professional fighter who performs especially important task.
        About items 1,2,3-know yes Do not even hesitate! As well as about the fact that the butt length is taken into account when designing an average one based on the anthropometric data of the male population (in the middle of the last century, the average height of Soviet soldiers was 169 cm, by the way, the growth of I. Stalin, if anyone does not know and believes the stories about the "evil dwarf" "was 170 cm), so for many accelerators of the 80s, the standard butt of AK was short winked .
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 18 March 2018 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: pishchak
          Have you taken out of context that you are "more comfortable" to comment on?

          I commented on what I thought was necessary to comment.

          Quote: pishchak
          That is, within such a unit

          What I said is true within the same unit. Moreover, points 2 and 3 are true within the same soldier.

          Unregulated stocks in the 21st century - shame and rogueness.
          1. beeper
            beeper 18 March 2018 17: 45
            +2
            You can adjust the butt in different ways. yes . The presented design of the adjustable butt is unlikely to work reliably "in the field", clogged with dirt and icy? It will require constant disassembly-cleaning, and since the gaps in the movable plastic joints are small, will it overwrite with solid particles and sand? What do you think?
            For home use, parades and window dressing on the parade ground, but "in the field" is not very much. IMHO
            hi
        2. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET 18 March 2018 18: 12
          +1
          There does not exist in nature people who would have a short stock AK-74. The whole question is the CORRECT weapon retention skill
          The body kit butt starts from the length of the stock butt (240 mm), as I understand it, which is frankly wrong. It should have started from 200 mm. True, there is a cheek, which in theory is good. But the same cheek on a regular machine gun can be in the form of a soft cheek on a lacing - for hunters they are fully released - and it is convenient and very cheap, whoever wants to can put themselves out of fighters. It is much cheaper than buying new stocks.
          1. beeper
            beeper 19 March 2018 01: 15
            +2
            You think correctly — in weapons, the simpler the better!
            But arms merchants probably have better things that are more expensive?
            hi
  25. Doliva63
    Doliva63 16 March 2018 20: 15
    +6
    AK - machine for combined arms combat as part of the unit. Maybe someone remembers - concentrated platoon fire, for example? The machine is fully justified. To perform the "point" tasks, there is, for example, SVD. Whoever wants to can choose an AK for themselves, on which you can put a sight, and PBS. Of those that are H2. And all these bells and whistles are not needed at all - from the word "completely." He who has to perform certain special tasks has what. And the infantryman is the main and main part of the army, he is taught according to a single standard - how to hold weapons, how to aim, etc. - what is it, nafig, handle, what collimator? AK is good as it is. Up to 300 m. Shoots normally. And keep it comfortable. If something goes wrong, take the PKK with an eye, and that's it. The body kit is the lot of rich contactees / mercenaries. I liked everything without him.
    1. beeper
      beeper 16 March 2018 20: 27
      +3
      I completely agree with you, dear Doliva63!
      But in "KK" "are waiting for large orders for army kits of rapid modernization" smile and for this they’re ready to go for any “ugliness” ?!
      hi
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 16 March 2018 20: 41
        +5
        Interestingly, in the NSD write about the front handle? laughing Who taught the soldiers, he will understand. Or are Shoigu and Co. going, if anything, to defend the Fatherland with contract soldiers alone? laughing
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 18 March 2018 19: 09
      0
      Quote: Doliva63
      AK - machine for combined arms combat as part of the unit. Maybe someone remembers - concentrated platoon fire, for example?

      You still remember about the offensive through the epicenter of a nuclear explosion.
      1. beeper
        beeper 19 March 2018 01: 22
        +1
        If it locks, then you will have to attack even through the epicenter of a tactical nuclear explosion, so don’t worry too much. IMHO
        General nuclear disarmament is not expected, alas!
        hi
  26. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 17 March 2018 04: 05
    +1
    Quote: Lek3338

    Used a similar modification, the only complaint about the front handle is that IMHO does not need it.


    In the MTR and intelligence would not agree with you. For a long time already there is a discipline like "Tactical shooting." For high-speed shooting in motion, with a change of position. But this is for those who are in the topic, not for the infantry of course. It’s not for the experts to explain why sometimes you need to do this. Of course you can shoot without this handle. But you have to keep your arm extended to keep the forearm near the barrel with one hand, and sometimes and on the barrel, tactical gloves are needed for this. In view of this, the shooter’s fatigue increases very much, it’s difficult to keep the barrel on your outstretched arms for several minutes in order to ensure accurate shooting. upgraded on their own. At their own expense. He is glad that even now they will not have to spend their money.
    1. tracer
      tracer 18 March 2018 21: 12
      +2
      Tactical shooting is a sports discipline with elements of "realism" no more. The front grip for holding sways the weapon in a wave-like fashion when firing, whereby the accuracy of the fire drops sharply. This was found out immediately after the "Romanians" began to cut them on the forend. And it has no meaning in the dash for "tactics." Distances there are minimal and known in advance. There are standards that need to be passed well, the premium there, etc. But "practice" is a completely different matter. I have handed them over many times and I know what I'm talking about.
      1. beeper
        beeper 19 March 2018 01: 56
        +1
        I am always interested to read your realistic comments, dear Tracer!
        Grabbing the AK's handguard never seemed uncomfortable to me ... maybe it was because of the "first habit", because I was starting to learn to shoot from rifles (by the way, the first lessons of shooting from "pneumatics", explained the nuances and the "application" of the rifle to me sniper-veteran-simple and intelligible, the story with the show remembered for a lifetime yes )?
        And someone, maybe, started to shoot, holding the machine gun by the front handle and was so used to it?
        hi
        1. tracer
          tracer 22 March 2018 03: 07
          +1
          Thank you so much for your support. Your comment admit is very important to me. I am not a designer, and I did not specifically study this at "institutes." But the gun theme was always given to me with extraordinary ease and was studied with pleasure. Over the years in shooting sports, hunting, service in troubled regions, practical experience has accumulated which I think will be of interest to readers of our site. Write more often, your comments are very, very interesting and informative.
  27. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 17 March 2018 04: 24
    +1
    Quote: ARES623
    Quote: pishchak
    In my opinion, it wouldn’t be worth it to sculpt “this” to the classical design - it looks poor, the quality of the alteration is doubtful, the functionality is conditional, and there is a lot of “hemorrhoid”, in all respects.

    As a former commander of the MCP, I recall how they themselves tried to "improve" the AK-74 in the late 80s. They made LED nozzles for night shooting, set rifle diopters. Only on inspections one horseradish shot with a standard weapon. Therefore, shooting exercises were carried out 2-3 times a week. Separately, they trained shooting at the first frontier in “10” and “6”, because the defeat of 2 targets was already “satisfactory”. When the UKS began to be shot not with a permanent sight but with a “3”, things went more fun. The fire company always handed over to the "choir". We have not heard of any picatini. They simply stuffed a hand, they understood that the machine was good, but brutal. The small Uzbek was not as comfortable as the tall Peters. I think that trying to improve the ergonomics of weapons is still necessary. And you also need to communicate with the "infantry" more often, to delve into the intricacies of the development of weapons by recruits.


    As for Picatini, I agree, the good old Dovetail allowed firing from both an open and an optical sight. What Picatini introduces is due to the fact that under this bar there is a wide variety of sights, like optical, collimator, night and thermal imaging. they used adapters for slats, which sometimes cost several times more than the scope itself, or took the covers of the receiver with Picatinny slats separately, although they were more expensive than the machine itself on the consignment note. They bought everything themselves. But maybe it will be better. from old prejudices. Once there are no sights for old mounts, then new mounts for existing ones are needed. In case of failure of the sight in battle, reset it for a short time and you can shoot open. And the ability to use any aiming device should compensate for all these inconveniences.

    PS But this is all for special forces, ordinary motorized riflemen certainly need something simpler so that they do not break or lose winked
  28. dDYHA
    dDYHA 17 March 2018 08: 34
    +2
    Looking at what is happening in our country, I can logically say so- the Kalashnikov concern simply saws the country's money. Really normal weapons were proposed by Degtyarevtsy. For God forbid, war in our warehouses is full of machines. There must be a real breakthrough so that it makes sense to spend money on changing weapons in long-term warehouses. It is necessary to rearm the existing units. And this is not such a lot of money and it is very difficult to cut it. Yes, it's mine. One bike with an electric motor from the Kalashnikov concern says what's going on in their head. In addition to money and the opportunity to buy villas in Spain, they see nothing.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 19 March 2018 10: 41
      0
      Quote: dDYHA
      Looking at what is happening in our country, I can logically say so- Kalashnikov concern just sawing the country's money

      And where are you looking from? From the track to criminal cases? My regards!!! And if from the sofa on TV, then a lot of truth can not be found there. Today, the media is dominated by propaganda and counter-propaganda. Both there and there - the manipulation of public opinion.
      Quote: dDYHA
      In addition to money and the opportunity to buy villas in Spain, they see nothing.

      In a market economy, the main task of a commercial organization is profit. From this profit, by the way, everyone from the general to the watchman pays the salary. The need for a bicycle with a motor will be decided by the customer (or buyer). What kind of TK he will send, such a product will receive. He will order socks with hoods - he will receive. What are the claims against the manufacturer? And the words about the "real breakthrough", what is it about? About weapons based on new physical principles? But who offers to change weapons? But even for the mobile reserve, more or less satisfactory stocks are needed, and not AK-47 of the 50s. The "partisans" are also people, and they will have to be protected no less than the cadre army.
  29. Wilderness
    Wilderness 17 March 2018 09: 50
    +3
    I understand that in KK they decided to at least make money like that? Sometimes, at the sight of the next “Pupkin’s super-automatic machine - 3000”, I want to conduct a thought experiment: immerse this device in a barrel, such as mustard gas, and then offer the designer to put on gloves from the OZK, take an anti-chemical bag, and try to clean it, well, at least to the state allowing you to take it with your bare hands. At the same time, measure the time required and the consumption of materials.
    For specific details: I don’t know the new DTK, maybe it really is needed. The front handle, butt, forearm, sights - can it be easier to teach fighters to correctly apply and shoot? I remember my first shootings with a pistol: the instructor chose the first PMK that came across, inserted the store and did not aim with a light, natural movement of the hand (somewhere from a level just above the waist) with 25m he simply pulled out the entire center of the target. His phrase was remembered: "sight - for athletes!" By the way, a thick pistol grip (even anatomical) contributes to the rapid fatigue of the hand. That is, shooting a little is convenient, but a long retention is tiring.
    AK in my (possibly perverted) view has two things that can be improved: a) magazine latch - it is difficult to interact with this stamping in stress, in the cold, tired, injured hands, it would be more convenient to cast a part like a trigger; b) trigger guard - replace with a cast, rounded part (as with a pistol). It is strange that the “rationalizers” from the CC did not notice this.
    1. beeper
      beeper 18 March 2018 10: 07
      +2
      Maybe this instructor was me winked ? Just kidding!
      Your comment, dear Wilderness, I really liked, rarely sensible and specific good !
      When I look at all these “tunings” and, especially, at different “picatini”, I also always clearly remember the smell and specific rustle of the OZK winked , and, through the foggy glass of a gas mask, his hands in rubberized gloves. With a swab and AK clamped in them, thoroughly rubbing all surfaces and "droplets" of the weapon, first with one solution, then with another. In the minutes of "disinfection and decontamination" it is especially acute, at your fingertips, you feel the degree of "concern" of the weapon manufacturers about the soldier and invariably recall them with an "unkind tyy word" smile ...
      Usually, "improvers" sit and drink tea and coffee with buns in heated, light and dry rooms, and their fingers are sleek, uninjured, and in the cold they do not tear off their nails, trying to "work" with icy stamped metal in a stressful situation ... .
      In principle, at a new level of technology, everything that you and other experienced AK users offer, in the presence of goodwill from the arms manufacturers, is quite feasible!
      Better still, it would be better for the gentlemen-gunsmiths to collect and analyze proposals for the “upgrade” desired by the troops and the first stage, without copying foreign competitors, to create several options for attaching standard “gadgets” to a standard AK and release them for military trials, supplying them with fighting units and units .
      The second stage, on the basis of the analysis of the proposals received and the actual hostilities, taking into account their possible massing and the use of WMD, is to develop the concept of mass and special weapons for motorized rifles and special forces!
      So that, without waiting for the final "exit to circulation" of the concept of the automaton A.I. Sudaev, inherited and creatively developed M.T. Kalashnikov, as well as the "balanced", as it were, improved, Izhevsk and Kovrov-like AKs, to design, test and put into production, with fine-tuning and testing of technology, a new model of an assault rifle (assault rifle), starting from the concept of the Sudaev submachine gun, creatively recycled by E.F. Dragunov in his machine gun MA-I call it a “shell on top”, which will make it possible to “variably” aggregate and widely use composite materials, while retaining “command” parts of the cons the required strength and durability. Including, at the same time, fastenings of "gadgets" in the general "rigidity" of the whole structure!
      Such work, being carried out with a clear understanding of the purpose and meaning, promises to give results no less interesting than the creation and implementation of the epoch-making AK family. Moreover, the big war is already on the nose!
      The key should be clarity of design thinking! yes
      hi
  30. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper 18 March 2018 14: 03
    +1
    The Russian Kalashnikov concern is a little bit turning into the American Lockheed Martin: where the main task is not to create qualities of the goods, but expensive, with the goal of extracting taxpayer money ...
    1. bunta
      bunta 18 March 2018 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: Bulgarian Pepper
      Russian concern "Kalashnikov"

      Concern Krivoruchko. Call a spade a spade.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 18 March 2018 17: 45
        +4
        Quote: bunta
        Spell things by their names

        Decided to hike, hike?
        Kalashnikov 51% - Rostec stop
        1. bunta
          bunta 18 March 2018 17: 57
          +3
          Rostec State Corporation sold the current head of the Kalashnikov concern Alexey Krivoruchko and his company Transkomplektholding 26% minus one share of the concern for more than 1,5 billion rubles, the head of Rostec Sergey Chemezov told RBC. The deal was closed on February 14, he noted.

          Thus, the share of private investors in Kalashnikov increased to 75% minus one share. The blocking stake (25% plus one share) remains with Rostec. “This means that the concern as an important defense asset remains in the field of view of the state and we retain the ability to influence key processes in the company,” Chemezov explained.

          As specified by RBC in the press service of Rostec, the deal was prepared for a long time, was agreed by the board and the supervisory board of the corporation, and also received approval from the government.

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/02/2018/5a8474b39a
          7947e5adcc450f
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 18 March 2018 18: 01
            +4
            Quote: bunta
            bunta

            Um ... exhaustively. I didn’t know, thanks for the information.
            However, all this, IMHO, is not a reason to call the company ... request
  31. acetophenon
    acetophenon 18 March 2018 20: 58
    +1
    I will not say anything about the tactical flashlight and grip on the forearm. But here I would touch the picattini bar on the receiver cover. And - yes, for decades, small institutions and CPL have been trying to fasten the scope from above, and things are still there. Is this not impotence?