Media: Marching diesel frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" repaired

Specialists of Kolomensky Zavod repaired the 10D49 marching diesel engine installed on the head frigate of Project 22350 Admiral fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov ", reports the bmpd blog

To restore engine operation, the crankshaft was disassembled, some diesel engine components were sent to Kolomna for inspection and replacement. The repair was carried out directly in the engine room of the ship, while the workers managed to avoid cutting the side of the frigate and meet the deadlines.

It is noted that the press service of the Kolomna plant and Transmashholding refused to comment on the situation with the repair of the Admiral Gorshkov diesel. Representatives of the companies noted that this is due to the fact that the issue relates to the field of state defense order.

It is known that the frigate propulsion diesel engine failed at the end of December 2017, the manufacturer replaced the collapsed connecting rod to repair it.

The exact cause of the breakdown has not yet been determined. A corresponding document was planned to be prepared by mid-February. It is not specified whether engine failure will affect the deadlines for the delivery of the ship.

10D49 production of the Kolomna plant - the main engine of one of the two diesel-gas turbine units M55P. It is noted that afterburner gas turbine engines and gearboxes of Ukrainian production are in order, reports Vzglyad.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

It is noted that afterburning gas turbine engines are in order

So one turbine has already been replaced with a similar one from Kasatonov after the fire.

[seti]

It’s already good that we have this mover. And the elimination of "childhood" diseases is a matter of time. All comes with experience.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Diesel 10D49 produced by the Kolomna plant is a bit old for "childhood" diseases.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Diesel 10D49 produced by the Kolomna plant is a bit old for "childhood" diseases.

Strictly speaking, this diesel engine represents one continuous childhood illness.

[Alex777]

They have no other writers for you ...
Thank God they quickly did. If I had to cut the board ....

[210ox]

Well, it's good that they did it. Questions about the quality of the engine, its operation remained ..

[donavi49]

What are you talking about? Kolomna diesel is a serial production and it will already be curtailed from 19-20 of the year to the new D500 (so far only for railroad workers, a novelty will be brought to 25 and the naval year).

There is either a marriage (metal inspection will establish) or a violation of the operating conditions.

[Serg65]

Quote: donavi49

Are you talking about?

We are saying that Kolomna diesel engines have been sick for at least 60 for years ....... probably an epidemic

[Sharky]

it's good that we have this mover

Only the mover is a respected screw. And the engine is what drives the engine.

There is either a marriage (metal inspection will establish) or a violation of the operating conditions.

Yes, that's right. It was like that with us, two rods broke off on a V-shaped 12-cylinder engine. They thrashed specifically ... a repair cost of 25 million euros (bought a new engine). And all because the mechanics accepted the sound and noise alarm and acknowledged, but did not look at the problem itself. After several critical “alarms” (temperature of frame bearings / oil mist detector in the crankcase ...) ... in general, I wrote the result above.

[Serg65]

Quote: seti

It’s already good that we have this mover

Wildly sorry, but the mover in a particular case is the Gorshkov screw

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: seti

It’s already good that we have this mover.

didn’t understand? .. what kind of mover do we have? ... everything on Gorshkov and Kasatonov is Ukrainian !! ... we don’t have ours yet .... in 1-2 years we’ll have our own series, maybe ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tiksi-3

didn’t understand? .. what kind of mover do we have? ... everything on Gorshkov and Kasatonov is Ukrainian !! ... there are none of our own so far ...

Not so simple. ©
The fact is that the M90FR gas turbine engine and the M55R power plant were in fact a joint development, and some of the components for them were produced in the Russian Federation:

- GTE M90FR with a maximum capacity of 27500 liters. with. (the developer is CJSC Turborus, a joint venture of NPO Saturn OJSC and GP Zorya-Mashproekt, Ukraine).
(...)
The creation of the M55R diesel-gas turbine unit has been carried out by Turborus CJSC since 1993 on the basis of the Intergovernmental Agreement between Russia and Ukraine on cooperation in the field of marine gas turbine construction. From the Russian side, the NPO Saturn OJSC (the area of ​​responsibility is the power turbine), FSUE Avrora NPO (gas turbine engine and diesel engine control systems), Kolomensky Zavod OJSC (diesel engine) participate in the cooperation on the creation of the unit; from Ukraine - GP NPKG "Zorya - Mashproekt" (turbocharger and gearbox). Tests are carried out on the basis of the Ukrainian state enterprise NPKG Zorya-Mashproekt, since in Russia there is no test bench for offshore gas turbine units in Russia.

© bmpd
This significantly reduced the list of M90FR "domestication" works - since only a part of the nodes had to be replaced and a test bench built. As a result, the experimental M90FRs were manufactured last year.

M90FR engines to be manufactured as part of OCD are already manufactured. Engine No. 1 passed the first stage of special factory tests. Engine No. 2, designed for qualification tests, is assembled, mounted on a test bench with a capacity of up to 40 MW, and its presentation tests have begun.
The M90FR marine engine is presented at the UEC booth as part of the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg, which will be held from June 28 to July 2.

© bmpd
Serial gas turbine engines for 22350 promise this year.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: seti

It’s already good that we have this mover.

So Makar had problems with the “propeller” after “skating on the barrels”, and Gorshkov had problems with the ENGINE ... And then, they, I think, have the same type of screws, and we have them for a long time.

[RASKAT]

It seems to me that the whole thing is in the quality of engine parts. Money has been allocated for the modernization of the plant since this year, the machine park is outdated, like so much more. Perhaps from here and problems?
I would like to remind you that the main occupation of the Kolomensky Zavod plant is diesel and electric locomotive building, Transmashholding began to allocate money for the modernization of production only after we quarreled with Ukraine. And this is just a couple of years ago. From here and legs grow. It seems so to me. We will eat up that in whipping the products will be better.

[Kurare]

Quickly worked. Now you need to find the reason that there would be no repetition. The main thing is that the ship did not have to be opened like a tin can.

[donavi49]

In April there will be a final conclusion. The engine was repaired for budget money. If the investigation establishes a marriage, the plant will compensate, if the violation of operation, the fleet.

[lis-ik]

Quote: donavi49

In April there will be a final conclusion. The engine was repaired for budget money. If the investigation establishes a marriage, the plant will compensate, if the violation of operation, the fleet.

And the fleet’s money is the budget, one way or another to pay taxpayers.

[svp67]

Media: Marching diesel frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" repaired

Yeah ... how, in principle, ORDINARY EVENT, you can turn, almost into a holiday.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Yes, how can I say - ordinary ... I don’t know when they’ll finish the polymer-redoubt, but if the ship had to be cut, in 2018 it would definitely not shine in the fleet

[Palagecha]

It’s just a labor feat for the benefit of the country's defense capability! And most importantly, thanks to nanotechnology, they didn’t cut the side, but simply passed through it. This is all SKOLKOVO helped Chubais! And we scold them. Poor ships ...

[donavi49]

Just the engine was disassembled in the compartment - and then assembled. It is difficult, time-consuming, but the factory team was sent and did. If the amount of damage to the engine would be greater, then perhaps it would have to be cut.

[san4es]

Quote: donavi49

Just the engine was disassembled in the compartment ...

...- and then collected ..

[Hunter 2]

And you - however, a Comedian! Two times, koment read what Red is being persecuted for there ? From me - you are a plus!

[Kent0001]

This is unfortunately not the last such incident. Our engine quality is always disgusting. Also, the knee from the "raw" bungled. At least sabotage, at least bumbling, but someone needs to be punished. Not that level and grandmother to do moralizing. And what about the replacement of the S-400 for China, which crumpled on the ship in a storm. Has anyone answered?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Kent0001

Also, the knee from the "raw" bungled.

Kent, stop epoting the audience! This is not even funny.
And what, on the site there is not a single minder-diesel engine ship? And no one ever met with a water hammer? A broken connecting rod is the first sign of water getting into this diesel cylinder ... I won’t talk about the reasons - this is a matter of furs and competent authorities.
Somehow, however ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

A broken connecting rod is the first sign of water entering this diesel cylinder.

I’ll insert my 5 cents ...
There is little information in the article. But I note that a broken connecting rod is a rather unusual phenomenon, indicating that the engine worked in extremely adverse conditions.
Next - in what place burst.
If the neck bursts, it means a problem in the quality of the metal - marriage, a hidden cavity (bubble) in the casting. If a failure occurred at the junction with the piston, the engine was most likely overloaded. Or the lubrication system worked abnormally, the piston stuck, the connecting bolts tore off and more ....

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: stalkerwalker

If the neck bursts, it means a problem in the quality of the metal - marriage, a hidden cavity (bubble) in the casting. If a failure occurred at the junction with the piston, the engine was most likely overloaded. Or the lubrication system worked abnormally, the piston stuck, the connecting bolts tore off and more ....

and then a friendship hand will probably come out ... I had this in a reservoir on a floating boat .... in a storm 3 balls to the coast 6 km ... to the hydroelectric power station 4 km .... suffered ...

[Corsair0304]

Renovated - good. But the main thing is to find the root cause of the breakdown in order to avoid it in the future. Even better - this is a new diesel on warships of this project.

[Ingvar0401]

It's okay - I served on a ship with a German diesel engine and a Dutch turbine. When the turbine broke, a representative of the company arrived ........

[Zubr]

It would be interesting to see how they did this without opening the board ... =)

[Ingvar0401]

Quote: Zubr

It would be interesting to see how they did this without opening the board ... =)

There are different ways, with an engine it is easier, more difficult if you need to pull out the boiler ....

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ingvar0401

it’s easier with the engine, harder if you need to pull out the boiler ....

Ohhhh! Immediately felt "pros" !!! If you are talking about boilers that need to be pulled out, this means that changing the pipes is already useless! (And this is done in the boiler room: they are put and flared by the sailors on the spot ...) And this is possible after about 20 000 working hours ... But in my memory this has never happened. Replacement of refractory masonry - it was, the pipes were jammed, the fistulas were blocked ... But I don’t remember this to unload the whole boiler ...
But.

[Brylevsky]

"the manufacturer replaced the bursting connecting rod" - Well, how should a diesel engine calculate that its connecting rod has burst ... "Sopromat", guys, probably, optionally took classes in extracurricular reading, but did not study ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Brylevsky

Well this is how a diesel engine should expect that his connecting rod burst ...

Judging by the pursuit, it seems to be naval ... But have I never heard of a water hammer? Well, tady - OH!

Quote: Brylevsky

. "Sopromat," the guys probably took optional classes in extracurricular reading, and did not study ...

This is you in vain so about design engineers ... They are the salt of technological progress .. Therefore, it is not necessary about sopromat something .. Aha?

[sxfRipper]

The exact cause of the failure has not yet been determined. The corresponding document was planned to be prepared by mid-February.

Already mid-March. I don’t understand something, or is someone holding everyone else as idiots ???

[d1975]

Yes, what did well done on the spot! I have no words . We must look for the cause, and not wave the slogans. I read how that since 1992 about 50 steel grades have been lost. Well, I’ll say it again - defense and commerce are not compatible. I can’t wait until the normal laws are finally adopted. We step forward two back. The connecting rod came off, and nobody pocketed?

[Fortnite]

Quote: d1975

they will finally accept the normal laws.

.... Keep your pocket wider! Until it broke ... like a connecting rod ....
"Such an adult - and believes in fairy tales ....." (C)
see

Quote: d1975

.... lost about 50 grades of steel

but normal laws have been lost - not to count ...

[vlad007]

The media often publishes reports on the recall of tens of thousands of foreign cars of the most famous brands due to manufacturer defects. For some reason, no one sees anything special in this, and as soon as we have a manufacturer’s defect, there is noise all over the world.

[Bronevick]

That machine makes a million pieces, but here the goods are piece, it is better to monitor the quality.

[d1975]

It's hard to disagree with you! Piece goods, I do not understand there is work, why not make it normal. If something is wrong with the prices, sit down and talk. And then the worker is 50000 thousand, the head is 25000. For what ? (Comparison figurative!)

[Mochumantu]

What nonsense do you write, starting from the article itself, ending with comments .. PS "the one who has a relation to this"

[NOMADE]

well, at least in general terms

[16112014nk]

Quote: seti

And the elimination of "childhood" diseases is a matter of time

A bursting rod is not a "childhood illness." Here, as it were, no sabotage, in extreme cases, terry gouging. Hence the secrecy and the refusal to comment.

[APASUS]

The "comrade democrats" helped us edit our diesel production, so we got the results.
Who is really interested: http: //www.oborona.ru/includes/periodic
s / defense / 2011/1114/19347654 / detail.shtml

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And what, have I never heard of a water hammer?

On the new engine, no, I have not heard. Yes, and on the elderly too ... Although, on a VERY old engine, with a rotten cylinder block + the same cooling jacket, yes, cooling water may enter the cylinders - one of the external signs is white smoke. But was the engine on this ship not old? Well, who is to blame? The personnel of the warhead-5? Or the manufacturers of this device? Or designers? Or, as usual, there are no "guilty"? Was there a water hammer, or is it just an opinion?