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Ukraine will put on the "NATO biathlon" reanimated T-84

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To participate in the "NATO Tank Biathlon" - international competitions "Strong Europe" - Kharkov Plant named after Malysheva reanimated six tanks T-84 "Hold", reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




These tanks were part of a batch of 10 units, which the APU planned to purchase back in the 2000 year. True, almost immediately there were problems with payment.

“For a long time, the strongholds were at the factory. And when the Americans decided to purchase four of them, the officials in uniform uniform happily agreed. Nobody cared at all that the tanks were purchased, as they say, for slaughter. They should have been tested new samples of anti-tank weapons, including, apparently, the “Javelins” so adored by Ukrainians now, ”writes the author of the publication.

The remaining six cars were distributed between military schools, where they rusted around.

In the 2016-ohm, these tanks for recovery overtook in Kharkov. However, the resuscitation process was delayed, and only in March 2018 of the year Ukroboronprom announced that the technician was ready to go to the tests.

Ukraine will put on the "NATO biathlon" reanimated T-84


According to the newspaper, these vehicles differ from the BM Oplot-T supplied to Thailand by the absence of a panoramic sight, and a weaker defense of the sides. The tanks are armed with 125-mm cannons, capable of using guided missiles.

According to “Ukroboronprom”, “the upgraded T-84 weighs 50 t, the engine in the 1200 hp accelerates the tank to 70 km / h. "

“In competition with NATO tank crews, this car, of course, will look better than the outdated T-64BV. However, military experts doubt that the reanimated "Strongholds" will be able to compete on equal terms with the latest versions of Western tanks, ”the author concludes.
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K 14 March 2018 11: 30
    +16
    Ukrovermahtt "make" NATO. I put on them.
    This is objective.
    In terms of technology, the Oplot is certainly no match for Western cars.
    In terms of training VSUshniki will give odds to NATO dudes.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 14 March 2018 11: 32
      +2
      Will they reach the tank biathlon, and look again the reanimators will be needed along the way wassat .
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 14 March 2018 11: 36
        +19
        Quote: Spartanez300
        ... Will they reach the tank biathlon ...

        Victor, I would also like these killers to rust all the iron in the dust. However, they have been driving, shooting and killing for four years now.
        Let's not forget that we have the same military-industrial complex with them - the Soviet one.
        Given the zeal of the Sumerians in the alliance, they will go out of their way to show their skills.
        1. _MaX_
          _MaX_ 14 March 2018 11: 43
          +6
          Quote: Spartanez300
          Will they reach the tank biathlon.

          Well, why shouldn't they get there. We are exhibiting a T-72 for tank biathlon, the production of which has been curtailed. T-84 stronghold, this is the development of the T-80. This tank is not far gone (or behind) from our T-72. We, too, are not exhibiting super modern tanks at biathlon.
          1. Ushly_bashkort
            Ushly_bashkort 14 March 2018 12: 15
            +2
            The T-80 was initially better than the T-72, I don’t think that Ukraine was able to screw up the tank. The question is how they repaired them if the equipment rusted for 16 years.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 14 March 2018 13: 12
              +4
              Quote: Andrey K
              Ukrovermahtt "make" NATO. I put on them.
              In terms of training VSUshniki will give odds to NATO dudes.

              In the effectiveness of the tank, in the skill of the crews - no doubt.
              In prize places - break off. In the NATO biathlon, emphasis is placed on guidance skill. Arrived, found a target, led a support group to it. This is the main thing for them, and not the skill of controlling the tank, and not the performance characteristics of the tank itself.
        2. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 14 March 2018 16: 42
          +1
          No matter how you overdo it laughing
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 14 March 2018 18: 22
            +6
            Quote: Sasha_Sar
            ... no matter how overdone laughing...

            I can’t vouch for it lol
            They can break a glass toy and cut their hands laughing
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 14 March 2018 11: 36
      +3
      Is it not enough for them to disgrace without the NATO tank biathlon? lol
      Let them push their Hammer back there. All NATO will run up and abandon the tanks. belay
    3. The black
      The black 14 March 2018 11: 37
      +4
      Ukrovermahtt "make" NATO. I put on them.
      ... Yes, I can hardly believe ... in the past they were second from the end ..
      I looked at their biathlon wassat .. If I gave up the BM driving credit as these warriors in the “competitions”, I would have simply gotten such Lyuley !!! And deserved. Wouldn’t be dishonored better ... laughing
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 14 March 2018 11: 42
        +9
        Quote: Black
        ... Yes, I can hardly believe ... in the past they were second from the end ..
        I looked at their biathlon wassat .. If I gave up the BM driving credit as these warriors in the “competitions”, I would have simply gotten such Lyuley !!! And deserved. Wouldn’t be dishonored better ... laughing

        Vyacheslav - I didn’t say that they are competing with tank aces. There are loser competitions.
        So among the losers, they will still be more literate.
        And if there were Sumerian tankers in our units, they wouldn’t have jumped with a lyuley laughing
        1. The black
          The black 14 March 2018 11: 48
          +5
          Quote: Andrey K
          There are loser competitions.
          So among the losers, they will still be more literate.

          What they call “biathlon” is a comedy. Ordinary shooting from a tank .... in general, if you look at the video (you can find it on the iron) you’ll understand what I mean ...... by the way, Shoigu invited NATO members to participate in ours, but they refused .... and did the right thing laughing ...
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 14 March 2018 11: 54
            +7
            Quote: Black
            ... What they call "biathlon" is a comedy. Ordinary tank shooting ...

            I watched last year. Nothing like some kind of competition. Dumb working off the numbers, for show - we have NATO-like competitions.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 14 March 2018 12: 21
              +4
              Why? They have 15 tasks. Points are awarded for each. For one
              tasks more points, for others less.
              But in general, tasks are closer to combat than in the Russian biathlon.
              Which is effective for the viewer, but a little like a combat mission.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 14 March 2018 12: 28
                +10
                Quote: voyaka uh
                ... But in general, the tasks are closer to combat than in the Russian biathlon ...

                Really?
                And I, from the simplicity of my soul, assumed that the speed of completing tasks and destroying targets are tasks close to combat ones. It turns out to be wrong. Did the Chinese come to us to participate in the clowning too? Participants from 19 countries of Europe, Asia, Central and Latin America, Africa also did not know that they had come to the show.
                Trouble.
                15 meticulously completed tasks and points received for them, the car and the crew in battle will not save.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 14 March 2018 12: 36
                  +4
                  "that the speed of completing tasks and destroying targets are tasks close to combat" ///
                  .... but not in advance prepared and worked out distances, targets and routes.

                  Watch Syria: tanks move carefully, seek out a target, quickly make a jerk forward a couple of meters, shoot one or two times - and immediately back.
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 14 March 2018 12: 40
                    +13
                    voyaka uh
                    .... but not in advance prepared and worked out distances, targets and routes ...

                    About pre-prepared targets and routes, you tell Sumerians. Last year, on this occasion, they were offended by geldings with the Germans.
                    ... See Syria: tanks move carefully, seek out a target, quickly make a jerk forward a couple of meters, shoot one or two times - and immediately back ...

                    But is it possible to make a “breakthrough”, to destroy a target, and to get out of the enemy’s sight on time - is this not the speed of completing tasks and destroying targets?
                    Man, I have three campaigns behind me.
                    I don’t have to poke a finger in Syria. Before the eyes of the Terrible.
              2. APASUS
                APASUS 14 March 2018 19: 34
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                But in general, tasks are closer to combat than in the Russian biathlon.

                A parody of the competition, especially with regard to attempts to crush civilian transport. Is this training, so to speak? Why do the military have such skills?
              3. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 14 March 2018 20: 05
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                But in general, tasks are closer to combat than in the Russian biathlon.
                Which is effective for the viewer, but a little like a combat mission.

                Well, yes .... KanEchna ...
                Something is not visible "carrots" - either there or there ... Or can you drive current to the neighbors?
                laughing
    4. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 14 March 2018 11: 42
      +6
      Quote: Andrey K
      Ukrovermahtt "make" NATO. I put on them.
      This is objective.
      In terms of technology, the Oplot is certainly no match for Western cars.
      In terms of training VSUshniki will give odds to NATO dudes.

      Do not forget about their under-arm position. And this means that Russian (Soviet) weapons must lose to NATO. Who will admit competitors. The Ukrovermacht is more likely to be entrusted with an “honorable” mission to defend ... I will also discount our equipment ...
      With fair competition, they would have a chance for leadership, as and the tank is competitive and training must be on par.
    5. Berkut24
      Berkut24 14 March 2018 11: 55
      +1
      In terms of training VSUshniki will give odds to NATO dudes.

      Oh, I’m remembering the commander’s dialogue with "Bear-2" I remember ...
    6. LSA57
      LSA57 14 March 2018 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Andrey K
      In terms of training VSUshniki will give odds to NATO dudes.

      Well, where did they learn from? most likely young people in the crews, they studied already in the “independent”, and they all the good that was in training in the USSR was successfully stolen
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 14 March 2018 12: 14
        +11
        Quote: LSA57
        ... well, where did they learn from? the crews were most likely young people, they were already studying “independent”, and they all the good that was in training in the USSR was successfully stolen ...

        Learning from the Donbass Sergey.
        With this damn slaughter, the training is bloody, visual and very effective.
        You should not underestimate the Sumerians, they are the same there as we are, only with extinct brains.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 14 March 2018 12: 24
          0
          Quote: Andrey K
          Learning from the Donbass Sergey.

          and what did she put it in? I saw only burnt tanks in the photo
          Don't underestimate the Sumerians,

          I'm far from that
          there are the same as us, only with extinct brains.

          so we're kind of about learning
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 14 March 2018 12: 35
            +9
            Quote: LSA57
            ... and what did she say? I saw only burnt tanks in the photo ...

            And not burned in the photo saw?
            You now want to convince me of something. What do we have more caps?
            ... so we're kind of about learning ...

            Does ideology somehow affect tank training? I wrote that they are just like us and are trained well.
    7. Sailor
      Sailor 14 March 2018 12: 22
      +4
      Well, don’t tell me, Oplot is roughly equivalent to Leopard 2A5, and in the previous “games”, sixths weren’t all, and training in military operations means a lot, as you already said. I am also for Oplot.
    8. alavrin
      alavrin 14 March 2018 16: 40
      +1
      You overestimate them too much. Third or second from the end, at best.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 14 March 2018 18: 25
        +8
        Quote: alavrin
        ... you overestimate them too much. Third or second from the end, at best ...

        It is likely, but as my platoon once used to say, it’s better to overdo than overdo it yes
        You can’t underestimate them either, and even against the background of snickering Europeans and geldings, the Sumerians look like brisk gophers laughing
  2. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 14 March 2018 11: 31
    0
    Everyone will sell and run away with money, gang.
  3. 210ox
    210ox 14 March 2018 11: 31
    +1
    Well, what if the sensible crews are trained, then on this high-speed tank they can do NATO members .. Unless of course the equipment fails.
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  5. shinobi
    shinobi 14 March 2018 11: 33
    +2
    The information war in all its glory! Scrap Khokhlyatsky will naturally lose to the delight of Western vehicles. Everyone will talk, again, about bad Russian tanks.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 March 2018 11: 34
    +1
    NATO tank biathlon
    Yes, Ukrainians, just to light up on NATO are ready on foot to participate in the machine.
  7. Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 14 March 2018 11: 35
    +3
    there is an impression that if the crews and equipment show themselves well, they will say that Ukraine is doing ultra-modern weapon, and if they perform poorly - Russian technology.
  8. svp67
    svp67 14 March 2018 11: 38
    +6
    Ukraine will put on the "NATO biathlon" reanimated T-84
    Perfect solution. T-84 Oplot, please do not confuse it with BM Oplot, an almost complete analogue of our T-90A. And if they win there, it will be EXCELLENT advertising for this tank.
    In contrast to this, we would invite Pakistan to the tank biathlon, but they are armed with these tanks.

    And there would be a GREAT comparison
  9. Firework
    Firework 14 March 2018 11: 40
    +2
    it will be interesting to know the results
  10. Antares
    Antares 14 March 2018 12: 11
    +4
    Strong Europe Tank Challenge is not a biathlon ...
    The idea of ​​competing tank crews has a much longer history. The essentially similar competitions for tankers of the NATO countries for the Canadian Army Trophy were held from 1963 to 1991 in West Germany. In the Armed Forces of the USSR held annual test shooting. In the USSR, at the end of the seventies of the last century, at a firing range located in the Krasnodar Territory, firing from tanks on the "tank director" was called biathlon.
    There are many differences. To argue who is better ... well, so every sandpiper praises his swamp. There will be no consensus. Only emotional.
    However, military experts doubt that the revived Oploti will be able to compete on equal terms with the latest versions of Western tanks, ”the author concludes.

    last year, the rather outdated t 64 was pretty good for the old people to make their debut. The crew is the main thing. The Ukrainians got so many fines, which is not surprising for newcomers.
    Only the performance there depends on the tank itself. The rest is the crew. All team. Like the battlefield.
    In general, the point is to argue? Two different competitions. Participation t 84 will be interesting. The debut of the tank. The crew will definitely be different (the winners of the Ukrainian competition were on the t 64-Best tank crew). T 80 at the marines. T 84 obviously got a team for the competition, although we will watch.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 March 2018 12: 45
      +4
      "the Canadian Army Trophy was held from 1963 to 1991 in West Germany" ////

      These were interesting competitions! More interesting and "Biathlon" and "NATO forces"
      One of the tasks. The targets were hidden in the "green" and unknown to the crews in advance, it was necessary to quickly find them on the go and shoot accurately.
      But the most interesting competition was the Greek Tender. It would be repeated!
      There, tanks were checked for almost 30 criteria.
      And the T-80 showed itself perfectly in movement. In overcoming obstacles I went around everyone. Good tank. But he failed at long range firing, but could not participate in night ones ...
      (appliances failed).
  11. uav80
    uav80 14 March 2018 12: 24
    +5
    Last year they performed well, given that they participated for the first time:

    In the first place - the Austrians on the “Leopards” 2A4, the cars are quite old, early 90s release. The second place was taken by the German team in the latest “Leopards” 2A7. The third place was taken by the Americans in their latest “Abrams” M1A2ZEP. Fourth place among the French with their Leclerc. This tank is also considered one of the best in NATO, however, and it lagged even behind 2A4. Fifth place belongs to the Ukrainians who participated in the biathlon on the modernized T-64BV - a tank adopted by the USSR Armed Forces in the mid-80s of the last century and modernized in an independent one.
    The Ukrainians successfully outflanked the Poles, who performed on the Leopard 2A5, which was adopted in the mid-20s, that is, 64 years after the T-64BV. At the same time, the T-XNUMXBV is recognized as more maneuverable than the main NATO tanks.

    The competition program provided for actions of a tank platoon to solve a fairly wide range of tasks: calling up fire support, driving, recognizing a target, determining the distance to it, tactical medicine and evacuating the wounded, evacuating a wrecked tank, and acting when the enemy uses weapons of mass destruction. In addition, the program included exercises on personal physical and combat training of crew members, in particular shooting from service weapons and overcoming an obstacle course. Of particular interest was the stage in the fight against civilian equipment: NATO tankers competed who would crush a passenger car better and faster with a tank.
  12. sgr291158
    sgr291158 14 March 2018 13: 05
    0
    Stalled in the process.
  13. Zubr
    Zubr 14 March 2018 14: 44
    +2
    Well, guys, we cheer for our smaller lost brothers ?!
  14. Wolka
    Wolka 14 March 2018 17: 05
    +1
    Say what you like, but the tank building school is all SOVIET one, and the Bastion is not so bad if the crew is not suckers ...
  15. gromoboj
    gromoboj 14 March 2018 19: 34
    0
    As softly said "weaker side protection." In fact the absence.
  16. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 15 March 2018 07: 24
    0
    On the Omsk tank, they also restore it with a gas turbine engine ...
    So what? In Omsk - 100, in Kharkov - 10 ...