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National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon

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The new Russian airballistic missile of low radar visibility and high maneuverability “Dagger” cannot be considered hypersonic weaponsleads Lenta.ru report opinion of experts of The National Interest.


National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon


According to the authors of the publication, “Dagger” cannot be considered “a cruise missile operating on the basis of a hypersonic ramjet engine”, respectively, “it cannot be called a hypersonic weapon, despite the fact that during flight ballistic missiles are accelerated to hypersonic speeds”.

At the same time, the magazine notes that today “except for Russia, no one in the world has aeroballistic missiles” For this reason, the authors believe, the "Dagger" has no analogues in other countries.

Recall aviation the “Dagger” missile system was first introduced by Russian President Vladimir Putin in March 2018. According to reports, the “Dagger” is a “modernized version of the quasi-ballistic single-stage guided solid-fuel rocket 9M723 of the Iskander complex, the carrier of which is the MiG-31 long-range all-weather supersonic fighter-interceptor."
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  1. Irek
    Irek 14 March 2018 08: 37
    +51
    And it’s violet for us that you think and think there ...
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 14 March 2018 08: 41
      +59
      It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?
      Maybe she feels not hypersonic? - Tolerantly.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 14 March 2018 08: 44
        +40
        Damn, what do we do now? wassat
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 14 March 2018 08: 46
          +17
          Do you want Belarusians? - enjoy the latest developments of the Russian Federation!
          1. cniza
            cniza 14 March 2018 08: 53
            +12
            According to the authors of the publication, “Dagger” cannot be considered “a cruise missile operating on the basis of a hypersonic ramjet engine”, respectively, “it cannot be called a hypersonic weapon, despite the fact that during flight ballistic missiles are accelerated to hypersonic speeds”.


            Even English scientists were envious of this conclusion.
            1. AnpeL
              AnpeL 14 March 2018 08: 56
              +16
              you don’t understand anything. it’s just a translation difficulty. the literal translation looks like "We do not believe our eyes"
              1. Thrall
                Thrall 14 March 2018 09: 19
                +18
                Quote: Crowe
                Do you want Belarusians? - enjoy the latest developments of the Russian Federation!

                Any problems with the Belarusians?
                1. Red_Hamer
                  Red_Hamer 14 March 2018 09: 36
                  +13
                  Any problems with the Belarusians?
                  There are problems with cockroaches, they live, they also whisper in the ear, and sometimes they smoke there!
                  1. bulvas
                    bulvas 14 March 2018 10: 10
                    +8
                    National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon


                    So, we are sure that they will not use Dagger on them
                    What difference does it make?

                    If the dagger cannot be intercepted and it successfully sticks where it should be, even if they call it subsonic

                    Just for what reason it will not be used? Ours can not be solved, or the Americans will not be substituted?

                    --------------------------------------------

                    Quote: Thrall
                    Quote: Crowe
                    Do you want Belarusians? - enjoy the latest developments of the Russian Federation!

                    Any problems with the Belarusians?


                    Never mind,
                    At best, Crowe blurted out without thinking, worse if for a specific purpose, but in this case, few would support him
                2. Crowe
                  Crowe 14 March 2018 09: 41
                  +7
                  Quote: Thrall
                  Any problems with the Belarusians?

                  Same as Sherkhan and Tobacco.
                  No need to speak on our behalf. Do not want a single state, then stand on the sidelines. We are "north" - without you.
                  1. askme
                    askme 14 March 2018 09: 46
                    +9
                    Well, to tell the truth, the Old Man organized everything there. On the other hand, Belarusians do nothing against the Russian Federation. Russians are not oppressed. So as a wish you should not react so violently)
                    1. Crowe
                      Crowe 14 March 2018 10: 07
                      +8
                      Quote: askme
                      Russians are not oppressed

                      Russian? And who are the Belarusians? Aren't the Russians?
                      This is the problem: they found a self-identity based on a language that is only an offshoot of Russian. We have such branches - a dime a dozen. Paul Russia speaks on “surzhik”, especially in villages.
                      When they return to the roots, cling to Russia, then the problems will disappear. Will become "netbooks" - they will become a part of "Sherkhan" Maybe even fangs. And while there are no fangs, we will use the "steel tooth" - the "Dagger" is called.
                      1. AnpeL
                        AnpeL 14 March 2018 11: 34
                        +8
                        In October last year, he traveled by car to Belarus, to Grodno. Almost reached the Polish border. The goal was to see the castles that are there as museums (Lida, Mir, Nesvizh, Novogrudok, Grodno and others). In general, we can say that none of the Belarusians have ever said a bad word to us. In my opinion, wonderful people. I heard Belarusian speech only on TV, on some specific channels. And so in everyday life, apparently, only in Russian. Here in the museums themselves sometimes there is an incomprehensible type of picture or diagram of some reflection of the Belarusian militias in the Polish (or Lithuanian or some other) army from the attack of the Russian imperial army !! Why did you even need to imagine it and what to say ... is not very clear ((
                        And so the Belarusians, in my opinion, are very good towards Russians, read even in the west.
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                4. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 14 March 2018 19: 37
                  +2
                  Thrall hi
                  Any problems with the Belarusians?
                  laughing wassat good
            2. Dashout
              Dashout 14 March 2018 09: 50
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              Even English scientists were envious of this conclusion.

              Absolutely a bullseye! laughing Learned ..laughing
              1. Dashout
                Dashout 14 March 2018 10: 16
                +6
                In essence: there is a technological challenge - to provide controlled flight at supersonic. This is the final beneficial effect!
                According to the "exceptional" solution to this problem can be provided by a hypersonic ramjet engine (function).
                Our guys proposed an innovative solution, with a different function: The beneficial effect is provided by the “Dagger” aviation missile system.
                The final beneficial effect is obtained! What's wrong?
                Once again they wiped their nose "exceptional", showed how to solve technological problems!
                1. x.andvlad
                  x.andvlad 14 March 2018 10: 43
                  +2
                  National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon
                  Yes, it's all from their nerves ...
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 14 March 2018 11: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: x.andvlad
                    National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon
                    Yes, it's all from their nerves ...

                    Oh no! It’s just that NI “NATO grandmothers” said that only cruise missiles (CR) with “hypersonic” ramjets can be counted as “hypersonic weapons” ... grandmothers forgot (age!) About hypersonic anti-aircraft missiles (kinetic) being developed in the same Merika with solid propellant rocket engines ... hypersonic "artillery shells" without engines for railguns ... interceptor missiles for missile defense ... In Russia, C-500 will use hypersonic 77H6 with solid rocket engines.
                2. sogdy
                  sogdy 14 March 2018 12: 36
                  0
                  As if not quite so. It is necessary to remove the resistance, the sphere, and the jet stream cannot be slower than the flight speed in the medium ...
                  Something NI is not friends with physics.
              2. x.andvlad
                x.andvlad 14 March 2018 10: 48
                +16

                And the "British scientists" have long been causing laughter.
          2. Andrey K
            Andrey K 14 March 2018 09: 31
            +20
            Quote: Crowe
            ... to you - Belarusians? - enjoy the latest developments of the Russian Federation! ...

            And we with Belarusians, not a single state?
            What is this speech for?
            The “dagger” will cover both us and the Belarusians from threats.
            1. askme
              askme 14 March 2018 09: 47
              +10
              I support) Belarusians are the closest of the neighbors.
              1. DOC
                DOC 14 March 2018 10: 53
                +2
                Belarus is an independent state in Eastern Europe with its beloved president. A close neighbor and everything like Kazakhstan itself, etc. There are no questions, but still .. first of all, we need to think about the Russian Federation and the development of “Daggers” and all the more so, we invest in their production directly, as citizens of the Russian Federation. Therefore, a close "neighbor" is not a problem, at least to take the MZKT plant .. I think I will protect myself, or welcome to the Russian Federation for a single state.
          3. RECORHE
            RECORHE 14 March 2018 15: 20
            +1
            You better think what you write.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 March 2018 08: 53
          +1
          Wait for the construction of a new nuclear power plant.
        3. 210ox
          210ox 14 March 2018 08: 54
          +5
          Yes, nothing .. Well, there is a ramjet engine .. But then it flies with awesome speed ..
          Quote: Thrall
          Damn, what do we do now? wassat
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 14 March 2018 09: 40
            +3
            Quote: 210ox
            . Well, there is no ramjet engine ... But then it flies at an awesome speed ..

            If they are most worried about the lack of accuracy of the wording, even if they call the “Dagger” at least an airplane - this will not affect its combat characteristics.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 14 March 2018 11: 30
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            .Well, there is no direct-flow engine ..

            Duc, and the Americans have a "hypersonic" ramjet so far .... "not worth it!" crying
        4. Now we are free
          Now we are free 14 March 2018 08: 57
          +9
          At the same time, the magazine notes that today “no one in the world disposes of Russia aeroballistic missiles. "
          1) The National Interest has created another high ... ahem, MEM. There is no such thing as an aeroballistic missile; there is a concept of a ballistic missile launched from an air carrier.
          2) It should be borne in mind that the upgraded version of the 9M723 quasi-ballistic single-stage guided solid-fuel rocket of the Iskander complex is launched from the MiG-31, which can raise it to a height of (20 km) and tell it its original speed up to (3000 km / h) ... And accordingly, in the rocket itself it is no longer necessary to spend so much effort to achieve the desired height and speed, respectively, the saved weight can be used for ... And why let The National Interest themselves ask themselves a question ...
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 14 March 2018 09: 19
            0
            Quote: Now we are free
            There is no such thing as an aeroballistic missile; there is a concept of a ballistic missile launched from an air carrier.

            Did the Boy in Mask school tell you this?

            "Launched from air carrier" = "aircraft".

            “Aeroballistic” has nothing to do with air launch. This term is about the use of aerodynamic lift.
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 14 March 2018 09: 39
              +2
              Quote: Conserp
              “Aeroballistic” has nothing to do with air launch. This term is about the use of aerodynamic lift.

              Would you like to write a little article on Wiki? smile
          2. Mihail28
            Mihail28 14 March 2018 09: 51
            +2
            There is no such thing as an aeroballistic rocket

            Reminded "winged": * oops there, but no words.
            Threat. I am not an expert in the field of ballistics, so quotes (from the Internet):
            "Work: Formation of maneuverable sections of the trajectories of aeroballic aircraft.
            Moscow Aviation Institute,
            Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces.
            Abstract: The paper proposes methods for the formation of maneuvers of aeroballistic aircraft ... "
            As I understand it, this is about the movement of the Non-Spherical Horse in the Non-Vacuum.
        5. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 14 March 2018 14: 13
          0
          Quote: Thrall
          Damn, what do we do now?

          We will pick our nose: "And we spit on your opinion" ...
          wassat
        6. Skif83
          Skif83 14 March 2018 16: 01
          0
          But to test in practice on such experts here, they will survive - it means not hyper -..., but not ... then there will be no one to recognize!
          But seriously, the DOG Barks, the CARAVAN IS GOING ...
      2. shinobi
        shinobi 14 March 2018 08: 50
        +1
        But no way! Neighing and forget.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 14 March 2018 08: 56
          +4
          Quote: shinobi
          Neighing and forget.
          Squealing - yes, forgetting - never. I’ll also write it down. Let's see what they sing when the Congress begs money.
        2. DMoroz
          DMoroz 14 March 2018 08: 57
          +1
          not, to declare to sworn partners that a missile from the "Dagger" class called "Misericord" has already been developed ... wassat
      3. smart_ups
        smart_ups 14 March 2018 08: 53
        +2
        Most likely, a hypersonic rocket can be considered which 80-100% of the flight flies in hypersound. if this is only a certain flight section, then there are such missiles now.
        1. Mihail28
          Mihail28 14 March 2018 10: 22
          +5
          If so harsh, then with supersonic aviation is generally a disaster. That is, only those aircraft in which supersonic speed is cruising should be considered supersonic?
          1. smart_ups
            smart_ups 14 March 2018 14: 09
            +1
            Well, we don’t call all ballistic missiles hypersonic? Although they all enter the atmosphere in hypersound.
            1. Eflintuk
              Eflintuk 14 March 2018 23: 07
              0
              After the election it will be possible to call !!!
          2. smart_ups
            smart_ups 14 March 2018 14: 12
            +1
            In general, it is a medium-range air-launched ballistic missile that misses the INF. The original goal is likely.
      4. san4es
        san4es 14 March 2018 08: 54
        0
        Quote: Crowe
        ... - How shoud I understand this?.

        ... No way ... This is a paradox (for them)
      5. dog breeder
        dog breeder 14 March 2018 08: 57
        +2
        Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?

        What do you resent? They are experts and legislators in this field! And plus our all-wearers! So everything is logical!
        1. cats
          cats 14 March 2018 10: 04
          +5
          Quote: dog breeder
          They are experts and legislators in this field!

          What difference does it make at all, how do you ... get hyper or not hyper .. recourse
          They’ll get it anyway. request
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      7. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 14 March 2018 09: 12
        +2
        Quote: Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?

        Yes, even if they call it a pot. But f-35 - the fifth generation, of course, yes.
      8. LSA57
        LSA57 14 March 2018 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic -

        Does she know about this? laughing
      9. siberalt
        siberalt 14 March 2018 09: 18
        +2
        The "dagger" is not hypersonic. Who cares, die a minute earlier or later? belay
      10. Vadim851
        Vadim851 14 March 2018 09: 26
        +2
        Most likely they have a different classification. Hypersonic - there must be a scramjet, or, alternatively, hypersound when meeting with a target.
        But on the other hand, after all, everything that overcomes 5M is hypersonic, the basic version 9M723 gives out, so the dagger is hypersonic.
      11. Bykov.
        Bykov. 14 March 2018 09: 31
        +7
        Quote: Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?

        Not only everyone can understand this. Few can do this. ... (with.)
      12. Fisher martin
        Fisher martin 14 March 2018 09: 38
        +4
        Estonian air defense does not believe in the existence of supersonic aviation :)
      13. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 March 2018 10: 10
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?

        And so to understand: the Yankees consider that a hypersonic missile in which hypersonic speed is provided by an engine that works most of the flight time. Otherwise, the same antique AGM-69 SRAM and other air-to-surface ballistics can be recorded in the hypersonic class.
        1. mark1
          mark1 14 March 2018 10: 56
          +2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          AGM-69 SRAM

          Speed ​​3M - alas.
          hypersound only where it is possible to propagate to sound waves - i.e. in the atmosphere, not every aircraft is able to withstand prolonged heat load, so antiques do not roll.
      14. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 March 2018 10: 55
        +5
        "She flies with hypersonic speed, but she is not hypersonic" ////

        All warhead ballistic missiles are hypersonic. Already 60 years.
        But they are not called the Kyrgyz Republic.
        Hypersonic flying is hypersonic flying in the atmosphere, not falling
        into the atmosphere from above from space.
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 14 March 2018 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Hypersonic flight is hypersonic flight in the atmosphere, and not a fall into the atmosphere from above from space.

          Absolutely.

          National Interest once again wrote enchanting stupidity.
        2. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 14 March 2018 12: 29
          +2
          At the Dagger, the warhead does not fly in hypersound, but the entire rocket, and it does not fall from space. Why is this comparison?
        3. Bykov.
          Bykov. 14 March 2018 15: 00
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "She flies with hypersonic speed, but she is not hypersonic" ////

          All warhead ballistic missiles are hypersonic. Already 60 years.
          But they are not called the Kyrgyz Republic.
          Hypersonic flying is hypersonic flying in the atmosphere, not falling
          into the atmosphere from above from space.

          Something I did not understand, but who fell from space? "Dagger"?
      15. Ushly_bashkort
        Ushly_bashkort 14 March 2018 12: 06
        +2
        No, it's like with the Crimean bridge - it is, but it is not, and in general Mosfilm. As they say - with whom you will lead from that and will be typed.
      16. Cube123
        Cube123 14 March 2018 13: 37
        0
        Quote: Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?
        Maybe she feels not hypersonic? - Tolerantly.

        Her abilities widerthan hypersonic with ramjet engine. It can move in an airless space, where there is NO sound, as you know! good
      17. Vato dobro
        Vato dobro 14 March 2018 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?


        So understand. A hypersonic missile can be considered as such if it maintains hypersonic speed on almost the entire portion of its route. If it reaches such speeds on limited segments, then it is not hypersonic. Although Putin did not say anything about the "hypersonic missile," but about hypersonic weapons. Those. it could be implied that this weapon is capable of reaching hypersonic speeds of up to 10 max.
      18. MY THOUGHT
        MY THOUGHT 14 March 2018 14: 30
        0
        hypersonic but not winged, they mean, it uses a different principle of achieving hyperspeed, and that we did not solve the problem that they solved simply achieved results in a different way
        , it's all exactly what to launch a blizzard into space with the help of mri or with the help of an energy rocket
      19. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 14 March 2018 19: 50
        0
        No, it just flies silently - that's why Hyper, but not Sound ...
    2. CHARM
      CHARM 14 March 2018 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Irek
      And it’s violet for us that you think and think there ...

      What the English experts write is not for our eyes, but for the English, American and European inhabitants. There’s nothing to worry about. First they said that it’s a fake, now they say that it’s not a fake, but nifiga is not hyper-speedy ... tomorrow they will declare that all US and EU institutions are working on systems for intercepting Russian high-speed missiles.
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  3. K-50
    K-50 14 March 2018 08: 43
    +4
    Expert Opinion of The National Interest magazine. : The new Russian aeroballistic missile of low radar signature and high maneuverability “Dagger” cannot be considered a hypersonic weapon

    What naive !! laughing
    Yes, we actually do us army, what do you think / do not think. We have the main thing !!!! Everything else is not even secondary, but in the top ten, especially the opinion of such "experts." laughing
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 14 March 2018 08: 43
    +8
    Well, let’s not call it hypersonic, even if they call this rocket cardboard, our pilots and designers know better, and it’s not cold or hot from “their” opinions. wink
    1. novel66
      novel66 14 March 2018 09: 11
      +4
      at the same time, it will be cold and hot on that aircraft carrier to which it will fly (although not for long)
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 March 2018 08: 43
    +8
    From playing with words, the complex will not become less deadly, so call it whatever you want ... laughing When such a thing arrives, then the terminology becomes secondary ..
  6. Azazelo
    Azazelo 14 March 2018 08: 44
    +5
    We probably should burst into tears about this ??? ..
  7. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 14 March 2018 08: 46
    +8
    National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon

    Oh well. We survive and without recognition. laughing
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 14 March 2018 08: 49
      +5
      National Interest refused to recognize the "Dagger" hypersonic weapon

      Yes, in general, we close production, dismiss everyone, it's all over - we were not recognized! Urgently sad .... Once a magazine did not recognize!
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 14 March 2018 08: 53
        +5
        Yes, in general, we close production, dismiss everyone

        Indeed ... In another way, there’s no way .. Such a clumsy thing ... We burst into tears.
  8. sergey32
    sergey32 14 March 2018 08: 46
    +4
    And what is easier to die, realizing that on the arrived ... is not a direct-flow, but a solid-fuel engine?
  9. DMoroz
    DMoroz 14 March 2018 08: 46
    +1
    the layman is reassured that America is still not completely lost in terms of promising weapons ...
    And so, at least call it hypersonic, even aeroballistic
    the "Dagger" has no analogues in other countries.
    tongue
  10. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 14 March 2018 08: 47
    +2
    Radish horseradish is not sweeter ... or they rely on Vrungel with his Po-Poor laughing
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 14 March 2018 08: 48
    +4
    And, well, yes, this is our hypersound. Poor! He's like that gopher
    - Do you see him? -
    -No-
    -And he is-
    laughing
  12. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 14 March 2018 08: 54
    +3
    Well, how did this American exclusivity get it !!! Well, someone can not appear earlier than them! And if it appears then before the shrimp ... they will yell that this is anything but not that. What is not news because of the puddles is only abomination.
  13. next322
    next322 14 March 2018 08: 55
    +7
    strange, but the magazine "PLAYBOY" considers the hypersonic rocket ........ and who to believe now?
    1. Fisher martin
      Fisher martin 14 March 2018 09: 40
      +2
      And believe him. We must believe the magazines with beautiful girls :)
  14. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 14 March 2018 08: 55
    0
    In the message to “Finkinton,” Putin said that we have “......” more than theirs. As such, they should have more of this a priori. Then what are they masters of the world. Something like this reminds me of a sandbox in kindergarten wassat
  15. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 14 March 2018 08: 56
    +4
    With the same logic, a wheeled tank cannot be scattered with a tank - it’s not on caterpillar tracks ... Puddle experts ... lol
  16. Romanenko
    Romanenko 14 March 2018 09: 04
    +2
    Quote: "National Interest refused to recognize the" Dagger "as a hypersonic weapon"
    Everything was lost, it was not recognized as hypersonic, and right away the rocket speed dropped to 20 km / h, but there’s nothing to say about power and all because the National Interest did not recognize ...
    We'll have to rivet a new rocket so that they like ...
  17. saveall
    saveall 14 March 2018 09: 05
    +2
    I don’t understand this rocket can overcome hypersound only if it is launched from an airplane? And if you run from the ground? The plane is an additional accelerating element in this case ... Or do I not understand something? The plane can then be destroyed before the launch of the rocket. Although, if he launches from his territory, then who dares to bring down ...
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 March 2018 09: 20
      +6
      Quote: saveall
      The aircraft is an additional accelerating element in this case ..

      The dagger is a hypersonic rocket complex.Where is the keyword complex ... You can not consider separately the product from the carrier, controls. guidance and aiming ... The speed of the rocket is an important element here, but not the main one, as well as the remote control whether it be a gas scramjet, a turbojet engine or poison ...
      This is the error of the iksperds that they consider the characteristics of the product in isolation from the entire missile complex
      1. saveall
        saveall 14 March 2018 09: 41
        +2
        So the plane is part of this missile system or what? No plane, no launch, as I understand it ...
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 14 March 2018 15: 02
          0
          Quote: saveall
          So the plane is part of this missile system or what? No plane, no launch, as I understand it ...

          What about without an airplane?
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 14 March 2018 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        The dagger is a hypersonic missile system.

        Actually, the new "Dagger" -aviation-missile system (!) ...
    2. mark1
      mark1 14 March 2018 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: saveall
      I don’t understand this rocket can overcome hypersound only if it is launched from an airplane?

      It’s just simply bypassing the INF system that the second step cannot be put on Iskander ...
  18. viralig
    viralig 14 March 2018 09: 06
    +2
    Found something to scare - they say not hypersonic. Yes, as in FIG, they recognize it as hypersonic or not, the fact is that no one else has it and there is no protection against it. And they do not recognize, they do not recognize at all.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 March 2018 09: 07
    +3
    From that recognized or not recognized National Interest "Dagger" hypersonic weapons TTX of this product will not change. It is possible to discredit (belittle) what is not, but what is already tested has already been discredited (to belittle) is impossible.
  20. flicker
    flicker 14 March 2018 09: 25
    +3
    The new Russian aeroballistic missile of low radar visibility and high maneuverability “Dagger” cannot be considered a hypersonic weapon, leads Lenta.ru opinion of experts of The National Interest magazine.
    It would be strange if the experts of The National Interest magazine called the Dagger a hypersonic missile - they do not want to be unemployed, and even with a wolf ticket.
  21. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 14 March 2018 09: 29
    0
    Why, it is necessary to somehow support the image of the United States, which collapsed after the development of the latest weapons by Russia. Yes, we are indifferent to our weapons or not perceiving exceptional barbarians - the main thing is that the Merikans will now sharply change their behavior in Syria and in the whole world otherwise they will receive a return. It's just that we are tired of observing the principle of not harming even more, that evil is conquered by good. This does not work with regard to mattress covers - they are even more impudent and consider this a Russian weakness.
    1. viralig
      viralig 14 March 2018 09: 52
      +1
      Ordinary Americans are mostly normal people, but their elite ........ The principle rules there -
      "Money is power, and power is money." that's why they steal the budget - and the largest budget is the military, and then space. And here Russia began to squeeze out the arms market - and so they scream. And look where they are fighting - where there is oil or other valuable resources, or against Russia (but all Anglo-Saxons have a fad here, except perhaps Germany). Yes, and what to expect from a state whose ancestors were mostly women of easy virtue, exiled convicts and pirates (JP Morgan - the primary capital from piracy - for example).
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 March 2018 09: 36
    +8
    And what does the direct-flow source have to do with it? Hypersound is a characteristic of AMS SPEED, not an engine type wassat Weak experts in this magazine ...
  23. Old26
    Old26 14 March 2018 09: 39
    +4
    Quote: Crowe
    It flies at hypersonic speed, but it is not hypersonic - how to understand this?
    Maybe she feels not hypersonic? - Tolerantly.

    Everything is quite simple. Hypersonic weapons are missiles, winged, which can accelerate to hypersonic speeds. This is a breakthrough
    If an aeroballistic missile equipped with a tevrd fuel or liquid rocket engine, then such a missile and weapon system is not considered hypersonic, since the velocity at the end of the active section of any ballistic missile is hypersonic. Any Russian land-based or sea-based missile can be considered hypersonic. And the American "tridents" and "Minutemans" are also hypersonic. Many modern anti-aircraft missiles are also hypersonic. So, by and large, NI magazines are right. Of course, for complacency, this weapon can be considered hypersonic, but only for personal reassurance.
    Here Zircon - yes, this is a breakthrough and the creation of hypersonic weapons. By the way, no one can say exactly what Dagger is. An aeroballistic missile or nevertheless a hypersonic winged aircraft is hidden under a dropable casing. Then this is also a breakthrough. And also a new hypersonic weapon. And some minor details indicate precisely the possibility of such an option.

    Quote: Now we are free
    There is no such thing as an aeroballistic missile; there is a concept of a ballistic missile launched from an air carrier.

    By the way, there is. And this term was enshrined in one of the strategic arms agreements along with the term BRVZ. This refers to a ballistic missile launched from an aircraft and moving toward a target along a ballistic trajectory. An example of aeroballistic missiles was our X-15 and the American SREM
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 March 2018 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Hypersonic weapons are cruise missiles, which can accelerate to hypersonic speeds.


      Quote: Old26
      If an aeroballistic missile equipped with a teplofuel or liquid rocket engine, then such a missile and weapon system is not considered hypersonic, since the velocity at the end of the active section of any ballistic missile is hypersonic.


      Quote: Old26
      Hypersonic weapons are cruise missiles, which can accelerate to hypersonic speeds.

      And why all this "high-wisdom"? request:( "device" flies at hypersonic speed, but we will not consider it "hypersonic" because it does not fit into the US qualification table (!) Again, "arrangement" of an old song about a gopher, which "is, but no one sees it" ? We have long been accustomed to operate with concepts: subsonic (transonic), supersonic, hypersonic based on the speed of sound in air (331 m / s).!
    2. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist 14 March 2018 12: 58
      +1
      Comments already almost completely leafed through in the hope of seeing at least one that reflects my opinion on this issue.
      Thank you for saving me from writing this comment. Everything is clearly written. I completely agree.
  24. Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 March 2018 09: 43
    +2
    Well, well .. let them dare to test on their own skin!
  25. rocket757
    rocket757 14 March 2018 09: 45
    +1
    How so? They unwound their planning bombs, like something irresistible ... like from afar, the "invisibility" dropped it and quietly faded it!
    It seems that the quiet will not work and will they finally let you enter the discharge zone? All the same, 100km, in the medium-range air defense strike zone!
    The planning bomb is good, barely noticeable, corrects and wags a little, but logically the carriers will be wet, this is the most effective option.
    A high-speed missile launched outside the anti-aircraft defense zone has good chances to hit where it is needed and the carrier has good chances to wash off whole!
    Anyway, this fuel is in the furnace, not the world of course !!! So you can probably be proud, but there’s nothing to rejoice about!
  26. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 March 2018 09: 48
    +2
    Will it make it easier for them when he arrives? what
  27. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 14 March 2018 09: 53
    +3
    I immediately recall the famous film, yes grenades, he has the wrong system)))
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHaPCiKwUq8
  28. tank66
    tank66 14 March 2018 09: 53
    +1
    If so, the question is posed. Let according to the NATO recognition system be SHUTKA.
  29. Esoteric
    Esoteric 14 March 2018 10: 00
    +1
    Until they try the language, they will call it what they want. On that they and "experts". By the way, it’s not only “About Igor’s Regiment”, but to reflection at the front door of the Pentagon: Some still doubt the capabilities of the S-400, Su-57 (although they caught up with fear), the SPG “Coalition”, T-14 ... yes you never know? Or do you think that military equipment designed to protect sovereignty should wind kilometers and spend resources in "ceremonial columns"? Apparently therefore, our salaries and pensions are so low. If we do not have the opportunity to buy a ticket to the World Cup for more than 66 thousand, this does not mean that we will be glad to see the capabilities of our weapons in pictures and animated videos.
  30. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 14 March 2018 10: 03
    0
    This I wrote here yesterday on the resource:
    The Iskander stub shown to us is not a hypersonic missile. A-priory. No closed thrust source with hypersonic speed. And, by definition, an object cannot move faster than the speed of an outgoing jet.
    Samples of hypersonic rockets available in pictures are direct exhaust pipes. But their survivability in this mode is seconds, minutes.
    Iskandek's “Hypersound” is pseudo-hypersound. A missile maneuvers at launch, on approach. Then he makes a mountain and resets the warhead. And now it already falls on the enemy with hypersonic speed using the potential energy of gravity of the Earth. Like warhead ballistics.
    Shoot both in attack mode is almost impossible.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 14 March 2018 13: 25
      0
      Beautiful reasoning. But what about torpedoes?
  31. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 14 March 2018 10: 05
    +1
    The main thing is that it can fly and maneuver at hypersonic speeds in dense layers of the atmosphere. And what kind of engine is it worth ten. A turbojet engine will be more reliable than a ramjet, cheaper, and may be in constant combat readiness.
  32. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 March 2018 10: 05
    +1
    As stripes like to attach the abbreviation to something ..... yes, what difference does it have (straight-through or not), is one rocket flying at a speed of 10 Mach, and you can’t do anything with it
  33. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 14 March 2018 10: 11
    +1
    In my opinion, a hypersonic missile is characterized not by a propulsion device (ramjet or nuclear, or whatever), but by the hypersonic speed with which the missile travels in the enemy’s missile defense zone. There is not even a definition for a hypersonic missile, if I am not mistaken, what is the proportion of hypersonic speed in a certain section, relative to the entire flight path of the rocket. And not necessarily a hypersonic missile should have this speed throughout the movement.
  34. ARES623
    ARES623 14 March 2018 10: 15
    +1
    Yes, even call a banana, the main thing is an elusive splinter at your fifth point!
  35. Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 March 2018 10: 17
    +3
    According to the authors of the publication, the “Dagger” cannot be considered “a cruise missile operating on the basis of a hypersonic ramjet engine”, respectively, “it cannot be called a hypersonic weapon, despite the fact that ballistic missiles accelerate to hypersonic speeds during flight”

    Firstly, no one ever said that hypersonic weapons must necessarily have a ramjet engine. The new warheads of ballistic missiles have hypersonic gliding charges. Those. no engine at all, but no one disputes that they are hypersonic. For hypersound is not an engine, but a speed.
    Secondly, I would express a greater doubt that this is a cruise missile. For on hypersound, wings are not needed at all as a bearing surface, but only thrusters are needed.
    Thirdly, I think that the commander of the ship, as a potential target, does not care about the opinion of the authors of this publication. He knows that there is no protection now. And this is karma for many years.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 14 March 2018 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: Berkut24
      the commander of the ship, as a potential target, do not care about the opinion of the authors of this publication. He knows that there is no protection now.

      Strictly speaking, there was no protection before.

      In 2011, a scandal came when they summed up the large-scale test program conducted in 2008-2010.

      All anti-aircraft missile systems in service with the U.S. Navy failed to intercept supersonic anti-ship missiles. Both the SAM itself and the radars showed themselves poorly.

      Since then, nothing has changed, and every ship commander understands this - simply by the fact that training firing on such targets is not carried out at all.

      So that there are no questions about where such information came from: anyone can download "Justification Book Weapons Procurement, Navy" for different years and look at the purchase figures of the GQM-163A Coyote: 5-7 pieces per year. This is in the presence of 22 Ticonderoges and 64 Berks in the ranks.
  36. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 14 March 2018 10: 19
    0
    "Dagger" is a "modernized version

    Soviet rocket X-32 actually.
    1. mark1
      mark1 14 March 2018 18: 23
      +1
      no, if only because. that the X-32 is liquid, and in appearance the Dagger is the brother of Iskander
      1. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya 15 March 2018 10: 57
        0
        So they modernized it. The X-32 was ready by the year 2000, only then it wasn’t taken into service for unknown reasons ... And in order not to re-create the missile from scratch, they used the Soviet development, improving and changing its characteristics. Peremoga. Speaking of the economy, Putin, as he did not particularly spread during his message, is sad to see things.
        1. mark1
          mark1 15 March 2018 13: 35
          +1
          Digging deep and wide, Archivist Vasya, but still - no ...
  37. keeper03
    keeper03 14 March 2018 10: 24
    +1
    Can't admit it? ... Well, a dog with him - what difference does it make to die! wassat
    The Americans can only not recognize the hypersound and impose sanctions on their pants! laughing
  38. Pacifist
    Pacifist 14 March 2018 10: 32
    +3
    Something they generally ceased to be friends with logic. And here the type of engine is generally incomprehensible. Hypersonic is an object moving with speeds exceeding 5 max. Does the dagger complex rocket move at such speeds? Yes, moving. I understand that they just felt insulted and they started to carry the blizzard because, as usual, they suddenly saw that the result was achieved not for $ 100 billion, but for 100 rubles and they look like idiots. That's dusting.
  39. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 14 March 2018 11: 01
    +2
    According to the authors of the publication, “Dagger” cannot be considered a “cruise missile operating on the basis of a hypersonic ramjet engine”

    No one ever claimed that the dagger is a CR with hypersonic ramjet.
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  41. svp67
    svp67 14 March 2018 11: 10
    +2
    According to the authors of the publication, “Dagger” cannot be considered a “cruise missile operating on the basis of a hypersonic ramjet engine”
    And who, besides you, calls her WINGED? She is from a new subspecies of “aeroballistic” missiles and she is HYPERSONIC.
    And I really wish you to avoid a "very close acquaintance" with her.
  42. Lester7777
    Lester7777 14 March 2018 11: 36
    +4
    "What does the name mean? A rose smells like a rose,
    At least call her a rose, at least not. "
  43. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 14 March 2018 11: 47
    +1
    Well, apparently it means you and have nothing to worry about
  44. Zina389
    Zina389 14 March 2018 11: 57
    +2
    1) It will take years to equip the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with new weapons. So far, the US missile defense focused on old missiles is acting to the extent that it was counted on. 2) Missile defense from countries such as the DPRK, or in the near future, Iran, is also worth something. 3) It is quite obvious that a new round of the arms race is beginning. So work can and will be more, but life will be poorer. 4) It is likely that the United States will consider that the Russian Federation violated treaties on offensive weapons and medium-range systems with its new developments. So you need to urgently call to Cuba. How's it going?
  45. Clumsy
    Clumsy 14 March 2018 12: 53
    0
    Op pa shah and checkmate, on. development work, but we don’t recognize it))) English, scientists, nervously smoke aside)))
  46. Gravy
    Gravy 14 March 2018 13: 40
    +2
    How children get rid of what scares, such as turned away - and there is none ... Does not exist.
  47. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 14 March 2018 13: 55
    +1
    This they made a conclusion on that 2 second video on YouTube?)
  48. Dart
    Dart 14 March 2018 14: 03
    +1
    like ostriches in the sand ... if something is not visible, then it is not there, they hid.
  49. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 March 2018 14: 35
    +2
    Crowe,
    "Jupiter, you are angry, so you're wrong ..."
  50. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 March 2018 14: 44
    +1
    Yes, let them recognize. And we do not have a Sarmatian nuclear weapon.
    But let them not try to check it on their own skin and everything will be fine.
    Because this is all a weapon for such a case. after which the living will envy the dead.
    Moreover, regardless of the country of residence, at the time of use of this weapon.