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Is it too late realized? Khmeimim and the whole north-west of the SAR under the gun of the “aggressive brainchild” of Turkey

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The barbaric epic with the military intervention of the Turkish army and the FSA controlled by it on the lands of the canton of Afrin is coming to a logical conclusion. Despite the fact that the Turkish Army and the opposition-terrorist groups of the Free Syrian Army failed to drive the Kurdish People’s Self-Defense Forces out of the central mountainous areas of Afrin for one and a half months of Operation Olive Branch, the main task of the Turkish General Staff is practically fulfilled: the central city is located in the tactical “half-boiler”, and therefore, only one step away from capture at times by superior enemy forces. The pro-Turkish militants, supported by mechanized units of the Turkish army, can only close the neck of the Athenian cauldron through the settlements of Ein Darah. But, fortunately, the defenders of Afrin this time had the wisdom to transfer a number of border areas of the canton under the control of elite units of the Republican Guard of the Syrian Arab Army, as well as additional volunteer detachments of the NDF (NSO) of Syria, which should impede the advancement of the participants of the "Olive Branch" to the south reported parts of Afrin news a block of tactical online maps syria.liveuamap.com and the information resource “Russian Spring” with reference to information from eyewitnesses located in the southern part of Afrin, as well as directly in the “Nubl corridor” area.

In particular, the NSO and individual units of the CAA Republican Guard occupied strongholds and checkpoints in Shatal az-Ziyar, Wadi el-Bakhassa (north of Nubl and Zahra), as well as in the cities of Tell-Rifat and Minah, which are now also located in "Half the craft" in the Turkish army and pro-Turkish formations FSA. It was after this that the active phase of the rebels offensive in the direction of Aleppo stopped, and the Afrin cauldron in the Quadi Rayhalakh area remained temporarily open, through which the only loophole for the transfer of the Syrian militia NDF: the Ziyara Highway to Afrin passes. This highway allows part of the Kurdish population to leave Afrin and move to a safer Tell-Rifat, as well as those parts of the province of Aleppo, which are under the control of the Syrian government forces.

The introduction of detachments of the CAA Republican Guard into the southern villages and cities of Afrina also resolved another topical tactical problem for the CAA, which was to prevent the planned attempt by the US SDF and SDF to Tell-Rifat from Manbij. Now such a scenario is practically excluded, and any actions of pro-American Kurds to oust the CAA from the north of Aleppo are excluded. But this does not at all mean the victory of Damascus in the “Afrin round. The above highway passing through the neck of the African cauldron is under the fire control of the SSA and the Turkish army (both anti-tank weapons and rifle weapons), and therefore the arrival of Kurdish reinforcements and Syrian militias turned into a journey through the “gates of hell”, which can slam from day to day. After that, the Kurdish YPG detachments, which are the main element of deterring the Turkish aggressor, will finally fall, having undergone complete defeat and genocide in the created boiler; This is exactly the genocide that the Armenians have felt on themselves. This is just one of the Damascus payment points for working with Ankara on de-escalation issues in Idlib and the surrounding areas of Aleppo. In such conditions, one should not even think about preserving Syrian sovereignty over the entire territory of the republic, and not only on the east bank of the Euphrates, but also on the west.


Turkish army in Afrin (photo that says everything ...)


It is extremely funny to regularly review the statements of our observers and commentators regarding the future "transfer of Afrin to the government forces of Syria". You can bring a whole mass of facts, according to which this opinion will not be viable for at least 5 years. First, the current military operation "Olive Branch" is one of the stages of the more ambitious operation "Euphrates Shield", the main purpose of which was announced to overthrow Bashar Assad, as Erdogan said on November 29 of 2016 of the year. Ankara may not count on the withdrawal or removal from power of the legitimate president of the UAR Bashar Assad for several years, which means that Turkey has absolutely no reason to withdraw from the northern territories of Syria and transfer the lands of Afrin to Damascus control. Moreover, official Ankara does not hide its imperial manners in the northern provinces of Syria, which was reflected in an interview with the diplomatic adviser to Turkish President I. Chevik to the Lebanese agency AMN 31 in January 2018, where he directly and clearly noted that the Turkish army does not plan to transfer the CAA territory in the north of Aleppo.

Secondly, the scale of the lawlessness imposed by the pro-Turkish forces on the captured territory of Afrin has long exceeded all possible and impossible limits characteristic of the region covered by the war. In particular, from informed sources in Idlib and Afrin the information comes that the Turkish army and the SSA provoked a real demographic war. Thus, the surviving and dilapidated houses of the Afrin kurds, abandoned during the air strikes and the ground part of the operation “Olive Branch”, move from Ankara to Arab and Turkmen refugees from certain areas of the Idlib province. And so the Turks plan to transfer Damascus captured Afrin ?! I doubt it very much ...

As for the “Idlib viper,” the situation here becomes extremely difficult not only for the Syrian army, but also for key naval facilities fleet and Aerospace Forces in the provinces of Tartus and Latakia. It is quite logical that against the background of building a powerful strategic “bridge” between the “El-Babskiy bridgehead” and Idlib governorate controlled by the FSA and Tahrir al-Sham through the occupied territory of Afrin, the window of opportunity for the Syrian Arab army will be narrowed beyond recognition. An impressive 40-kilometer buffer in the form of more than 10000 professional and patriotic YPG fighters will be cut only to the infamous 5-7-kilometer layer north of Nubl and Zakhra. As a result, the city of Aleppo will be in danger of falling into a new “cauldron”, capable of shutting itself down within several days by the forces of several units of the FSA and al-Nusra militants, who advanced towards each other from Hadera and Al-Bab. And it will be possible to contrast here with direct direct intervention by the Russian air forces, because the Idlib opposition “greens” are already far from those Ishilov’s fighters who received “gifts” from the US Armed Forces in the form of outdated military transport aircraft small arms and anti-tank weapons.

At the present stage, the FSA and "en-Nusra" receive modern weapons from Turkey, including MANPADS (later used against our Su-25 attack aircraft), PT-tools, full-fledged equipment, radio-electronic network-centric linkage, etc., this can be observed on “Twitter” pages of SSA militants, published in syria.liveuamap.com. Consequently, Damascus (and not only) may repeatedly regret the delay in the introduction of the regular Syrian army into Afrin and the useless attempts to coordinate with the Turkish military leadership any de-escalation zones in northern Syria. Obviously, in Damascus, the whole essence of the “friendship” with Turkey was already realized, and just at the moment of transition to the final phase of the military operation against the militants in Eastern Ghouta, active point-and-field artillery attacks of the CAA on the pro-Turkish forces in the Idlib gadushnik began.

Since 7-8 in March, the intensity of these attacks on the facilities of “en-Nusra” in Idlib increased several times, but realized it was too late! The result was only increasing terrorist activity in the area of ​​responsibility of the Turkish observation post located at the height of Al Ays (west of Hadera) and not only. Numerous local clashes occurred in various sections of the contact line in Jisr al-Shugur, Murak, as well as Khader and Aleppo areas, which did not bring absolutely no tactical success to the Syrian army. This fact once again tells us that the precious months spent on the negotiation process with the Turks allowed idlib jihadists to finally raise their heads and in no way reckon with the pro-government forces. The militants decided not to stop at this.

For the first time since 9 January 2018 of the year, relying on a full-fledged Turkish protectorate, the Tahrir ash-Sham militants made another attempt to launch a bombing attack on Hmeymim airbase, on which the main tactical air wing of the Russian Aerospace Forces based on the Syrian theater of operations is based. According to Middle Eastern information sources, this time the air defense systems (the Pantsiri-С1) reacted very quickly: the home-made drone with the dropped ammunition was intercepted at long-distance approaches to the Avb, which confirmed the effectiveness of the enhanced anti-ballistic missile defense in recent months. At the same time, once again, the question arose of the need to eliminate this threat in the future. If you look at the map of the northwestern territories of the Syrian Arab Republic (Idlib, Hama and Lattakia provinces), whether paper or digital, you can easily determine that the distance from Hmeimim to the western outskirts of Idlib is just over 35 km, which is enough for , in order to “put on wing” new short-range UAVs almost daily and direct them alternately towards Hmeimim and Tartus, exhausting the Pantsi of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Arab Army. Thus, in just a couple of weeks, you can very well "pat" the 57E6E SAM kits, as well as the life of the 30-mm 2А38М twin guns.

From this, the only adequate and disappointing conclusion can be made: for the Russian military contingent in the Mediterranean coast, the “Idlib gadyushnik” is turning into an extremely dangerous destabilizing stronghold, capable of not only carrying out the usual harassing actions against Tartus and Khmeimim, but also undermining the defense capabilities of these objects in critical military situation. Imagine a situation in which the “Shells” and “Four hundredths” will need to work out the coalition using the numerous means of air attack of the Navy and Air Force (aviation or precision missile weapons); most of the target channels will be occupied by priority air targets, while a couple of dozens of “friendship drones” from Idlib will appear on the indicators of survey radars 1RS1-1E and 96L6E, which may not have extra target channels. The picture is very bad. And it is advisable to pay attention here not to the struggle with the consequences (by the very drones), but to the root cause of this outrage, which is precisely the existence and prosperity of the "Idlib viper", sponsored by Ankara.

The pro-Turkish forces in Idlib settled down for a very, very long time, as evidenced by important information from the telegram channel Ebaa Agency. In the tenth of March, our Turkish "partners", represented by an unnamed management of one of the oil companies, with a completely clear conscience went to conclude a deal for the supply of domestic gas with Idlib self-government bodies, represented exclusively by Tahrir ash-Sham militants; Now the tanks to the fullest come into the hands of terrorists through KVVV Bab al-Khava. Meanwhile, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Turkey urgently sent a delegation of high-ranking military personnel to the settlements of Wadi al-Jahannam and Eziyarah on the western part of the contact line between the CAA and Idlib. The delegation’s task is to search for the most acceptable points for placing two more observation points on the western side of the “Gadyushnik”. From this point on, the main terrorist bridgehead in the northwestern part of the Syrian Arab Republic will be under the complete protection of Ankara, and therefore it will be very difficult to knock out jihadists. A very spicy seasoning to the sauce in the form of an emerging US missile attack on Syrian military targets, to which our country will definitely have to respond rudely and unceremoniously.

Information sources:
http://mignews.com/news/disasters/130318_113258_97619.html
https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/03/11/11678953.shtml
https://riafan.ru/1034366-siriya-novosti-13-marta-07-00-turciya-nachala-postavki-gaza-v-idlib-kurdy-berut-dengi-s-mirnykh-zhitelei-za-vyezd-iz-afrina
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  1. Vard
    Vard 14 March 2018 07: 20
    +15
    If you recall the story .... Then the Kurds are not so white and fluffy .. As they try to present them ... And with whom would they not enter into an alliance ... The creation of Kurdistan will be in their first place ... Turks on this they don’t have any illusions ... That’s what caused their actions ...
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 14 March 2018 09: 54
      +14
      Quote: Vard
      If you recall the story .... Then the Kurds are not so white and fluffy .. As they try to present them ... And with whom would they not enter into an alliance ... The creation of Kurdistan will be in their first place ... Turks on this they don’t have any illusions ... That’s what caused their actions ...

      Yes, glory be to those lords that there is not a single forecast of this powerful analytega (why isn’t it yet the General Staff of the Russian Federation, I’ll never mind request) as Damantsev neither in the Donbass, nor in Syria came true, otherwise everyone would have fought for a long time with everyone and against everyone. yes
      A very spicy seasoning for the sauce in the form of an upcoming US missile attack on Syrian military facilities, to which our country will definitely have to respond rudely and unceremoniously.

      Urgently to Shoigu, Gerasimov and Putin, they do not know what to do laughing And here such a powerful analyst and forecaster at VO disappears. laughing Think Mr. Damantsev with your analytical mind, why would the Turkish "olive branch" operation and the CAA operation in Eastern Guta begin almost simultaneously. yes
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 14 March 2018 16: 00
        +16
        Quote: vlad66

        Yes, glory be to those lords that there is not a single forecast of this powerful analytega (why isn’t it yet the General Staff of the Russian Federation, I’ll never mind request) as Damantsev neither in the Donbass, nor in Syria came true, otherwise everyone would have fought for a long time with everyone and against everyone.

        Forecast - it’s for that and the forecast in order to come true or come true. Damantsev considers in his predictions the worst case scenario, and, really - thank God that they have not come true yet. If everything happens according to a better scenario, this does not mean that we should not consider the worst case and prepare for the worst.
        Quote: vlad66
        Urgently to Shoigu, Gerasimov and Putin, they do not know what to do. And here such a powerful analyst and forecaster at VO disappears. laughing

        He laughed at someone else, felt more intelligent? This is a deceptive feeling ...
        You would be better off publishing your article here with a detailed review of the situation. We would consider and speculate which review is more realistic and who should be urgently sent to Shoig, Gerasimov and Putin ...
        1. Alber
          Alber 14 March 2018 17: 20
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          Forecast - it’s for that and the forecast in order to come true or come true. Damantsev considers in his predictions the worst case scenario, and, really - thank God that they have not come true yet. If everything happens according to a better scenario, this does not mean that we should not consider the worst case and prepare for the worst.
          Quote: vlad66
          Urgently to Shoigu, Gerasimov and Putin, they do not know what to do. And here such a powerful analyst and forecaster at VO disappears.
          He laughed at someone else, felt more intelligent? This is a deceptive feeling ...
          You would be better off publishing your article here with a detailed review of the situation. We would consider and speculate which review is more realistic and who should be urgently sent to Shoig, Gerasimov and Putin ...

          Quote: sefevi
          Kurdish militants took advantage of the anarchy in the country of Asadushki and seized control of Afrin a couple of years ago and began to build PKK bases there. Should Turkey be silent? Honestly, these biased biased articles are already bored!


          You can’t trust anyone, as dad Mueller said. Here is such a salad ...
          Just as you can not believe the election promises of the current presidential candidates. The feeling that they are all released from the same chicken coop
          1. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 14 March 2018 18: 38
            +2
            Quote: Alber
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Forecast - it’s for that and the forecast in order to come true or come true. Damantsev considers in his predictions the worst case scenario, and, really - thank God that they have not come true yet. If everything happens according to a better scenario, this does not mean that we should not consider the worst case and prepare for the worst.
            Quote: vlad66
            Urgently to Shoigu, Gerasimov and Putin, they do not know what to do. And here such a powerful analyst and forecaster at VO disappears.
            He laughed at someone else, felt more intelligent? This is a deceptive feeling ...
            You would be better off publishing your article here with a detailed review of the situation. We would consider and speculate which review is more realistic and who should be urgently sent to Shoig, Gerasimov and Putin ...

            Quote: sefevi
            Kurdish militants took advantage of the anarchy in the country of Asadushki and seized control of Afrin a couple of years ago and began to build PKK bases there. Should Turkey be silent? Honestly, these biased biased articles are already bored!

            You can’t trust anyone, as dad Mueller said. Here is such a salad ...
            Just as you can not believe the election promises of the current presidential candidates. The feeling that they are all released from the same chicken coop

            The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. And what does the election and election promises have to do with it ?!
            In general, to whom, but lousy about the bath, and the banderlog about Muscovites ... And for all that, the Russian hackers are to blame for everything (according to the American exclusively correct version).
            1. Alber
              Alber 16 March 2018 17: 35
              +1
              Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
              The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. And what does the election and election promises have to do with it ?!

              And despite the fact that the election is the day after tomorrow. and all politics revolves around the Kremlin and Russia's actions
              1. Nikolay Fedorov
                Nikolay Fedorov 17 March 2018 11: 44
                +1
                Quote: Alber
                Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. And what does the election and election promises have to do with it ?!

                And despite the fact that the election is the day after tomorrow. and all politics revolves around the Kremlin and Russia's actions

                I recommend that you talk, without ceasing, about digestive processes. They are not like tomorrow, they affect people today, now, every second.
    2. Safevi
      Safevi 14 March 2018 11: 15
      +11
      "Barbarian saga" - after this introduction he began to simply browse, not read. Let someone teach Damantsev the ABC of journalism. Even a fake picture is given, they say, Turkish troops in the destroyed Afrin. But is it not that this picture was taken in Turkey 3 years ago, when Kurdish terrorists temporarily captured a town in the south-east of the country and had to be cleaned in this way? And what are the words that "the Turks say they will not go anywhere"? Where did the author get this from? The entire leadership of Turkey EVERY DAY on TV says. that "we will transfer these lands to those who lived there and are true masters. We fight only with terrorists" And they say it right. Kurdish militants took advantage of the anarchy in the country of Asadushki and seized control of Afrin a couple of years ago and began to build PKK bases there. Should Turkey be silent? Honestly, these biased biased articles are already bored!
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 14 March 2018 21: 13
        +3
        Assad. You obviously live in the country of Alievishki?
        1. mariusdeayeraleone
          mariusdeayeraleone 14 March 2018 22: 42
          +2
          It’s sad to read.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 15 March 2018 00: 49
            +4
            That you tell your compatriot. Assad didn’t annoy Azerbaijan. Do you know why he wrote this? He doesn’t care about Assad. This is because Russia supports him. Many former residents of the outskirts of the USSR mentally sit on the fact that they could live better if not for Russia. Let them try to live without it. And for Assad - this is one of the few rulers who did not get scared and was not led not by a world hegemon. For this alone, he is worthy of at least that such as Safavi did not rinse him with their tongue. And, I'm sorry, 5 if you offended you with something.
            1. Ramzay121
              Ramzay121 15 March 2018 13: 55
              +1
              Assad, at least to blame, because he allowed to destroy Syria, hundreds of thousands of inhabitants were killed, all cities were destroyed, millions became refugees. All this is not enough? And you need to love him after that? And all why, did not want to part with his chair, he should rule forever. And call it worthy)),
              1. Nikolay Fedorov
                Nikolay Fedorov 15 March 2018 15: 08
                +5
                Quote: Ramzay121
                Assad, at least to blame, because he allowed to destroy Syria, hundreds of thousands of inhabitants were killed, all cities were destroyed, millions became refugees. All this is not enough? And you need to love him after that? And all why, did not want to part with his chair, he should rule forever. And call it worthy)),

                According to this lackey logic, Stalin and the entire Bolshevik leadership of the country are to blame for the millions of victims of the Great Patriotic War. Well, according to your lackey logic, they should have surrendered immediately after the EU attack on the USSR, and then everyone would be alive, the cities intact, and the leaders worthy.
                PS My family and numerous relatives were strongly crippled by this war, because I consider myself obligated to say that from all my Russian soul I hate you with your lackey logic.
                1. Ramzay121
                  Ramzay121 15 March 2018 15: 31
                  +3
                  Nicholas, not only you have a lackey logic, but a lackey soul, not a Russian one. In the Great Patriotic War, millions of Soviet people were crippled, not just Russians, I will not teach you basic things. Your level is insignificant since you made such a comparison. And you can hate as much as you like, so with your hatred you and you are like ki in the anus.
                  1. Nikolay Fedorov
                    Nikolay Fedorov 15 March 2018 17: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: Ramzay121
                    Nikolay, you have not only the lackey logic, but the lackey soul, not the Russian one. In the Great Patriotic War, millions of Soviet people were crippled, not just Russians, I will not teach you basic things. Your level is insignificant since you made such a comparison.

                    And I did not try to compare any nationalities. It’s you, guided by an American-Turkish training manual, all the while trying to reduce everything to the notorious national issue. In my many relatives there are Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, Jews, Greeks and even Azerbaijanis. All of them are relatives close to me. Our national question is resolved during rare common gatherings, feasts, it is resolved very simply - we drink and sing.
                    When I write - “I hate you with your lackey logic”, I’m not writing about nationality, God forbid me to even think this - with my kindred. I mean you - dancing to the enemy pipes. Enemy for me and my country. My fellow citizens, the best people of the country, are now dying there in Syria, because they are there at the request of the legitimate leadership of the sovereign country of Syria, whose legitimate president is B. Assad. And you are an enemy, because support our enemies. And I hate enemies. That's all. And nationality has nothing to do with it, no matter how you like ...
                    1. Ramzay121
                      Ramzay121 16 March 2018 10: 15
                      +1
                      In fact, if for that a citizen of any country should perish, then for the sake of his homeland. And not at the request of the leaders of some countries. Who sends them there, God is their judge. And so why sit, also go to war, it’s easy at the computer.
                2. Ramzay121
                  Ramzay121 15 March 2018 15: 56
                  +2
                  In Vel. Father the people fought against an external enemy, and Assad fights in Syria with his clan against his people. Do you catch the difference? Unlikely. It’s easy for you to sit at a can of beer for discussion, you tell the millions of Syrians that the cat has lost everything.
              2. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 15 March 2018 17: 52
                +3
                Assad, at least to blame because allowed to destroy Syria, hundreds of thousands of inhabitants were killed, all cities were destroyed, millions became refugees.

                So didn’t Assad destroy? WHO? What are you saying? With whose vowel and tacit support? What are you saying?
                I didn’t want to part with my chair,

                Should he? What are the reasons? As a result of the election, they chose another, or because the pan-Turkists decided so? Then, according to YOUR logic, you have lost Karabakh ON LEGAL BASES.
                Does Libya's example teach nothing? What was (social support for residents) and what became? Why don't you claim Al-Sisi? Soaked a thousand-plus pan-Turkists and pan-Islamists (in the toilet) laughing ) and that's it, quiet and calm. Egypt even builds canals.
                1. Ramzay121
                  Ramzay121 16 March 2018 10: 07
                  +1
                  Those who destroyed Syria are all seen in this list and Assad himself. What makes you think that I justify what they did. I blame him for what he allowed to do with his country, read carefully. He is responsible for everything that happens. If that's what you say, then why does his people flee the country in millions instead of defending their homeland, think about it. There are no regular troops of any country with whom they are fighting there, ok, Igilovites from around the world, and the other half who are the same Syrians.
                  That's just the example of Libya, he had to understand what awaits him. In the same way, an example of Tunisia can be given. What happened He resigned, saved the country, but no one destroyed and grabbed his country, and a year later his entourage again came to power. So the Libyan example is unsuccessful.
                  Karabakh how you compare me honestly is not clear. How they occupied and with whose help we all know. Otherwise, within one month we would return all the land.
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 17 March 2018 00: 51
                    +2
                    You did not answer about who destroyed Syria? Assad hesitated, but who destroyed? Answer? Assad hesitated, if you immediately began to suppress, you would be the first to shout that he is a tyrant. No?
                    Over Karabakh, the situation is an analogue of the Syrian. The power weakened, centrifugal forces intensified, weapons were used, crimes were committed, support from abroad. What are the differences?
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 17 March 2018 03: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      You did not answer about who destroyed Syria? Assad hesitated, but who destroyed? Answer? Assad hesitated, if you immediately began to suppress, you would be the first to shout that he is a tyrant. No?

                      Well, actually, Assad immediately began to suppress. Why do you think the protests swept all the regions. And by the way, the Alawites also rebelled, just as soon as the riots went to the conflict, the Alavites and the rest, the Alawites completely sided with Assad, like the Christians.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      Over Karabakh, the situation is an analogue of the Syrian. The power weakened, centrifugal forces intensified, weapons were used, crimes were committed, support from abroad. What are the differences?

                      not similar. Since neither the government nor the country was special and it was an interethnic conflict. An Arab is slaughtered in Syria. Then, at the end of the Kurds, they became a mansion with US support as a mansion.
                    2. Ramzay121
                      Ramzay121 17 March 2018 10: 29
                      +1
                      I answered, read carefully. The main culprit is Assad himself. Once again, the difference between Karabakh and Syria is huge, you can write about it for a long time. 20% of the territories of Azerbaijan (Karabakh and +7 districts) were occupied by Armenia, a neighboring country with external support, and in Syria there is a conflict from within, they are at war with each other. Why is Assad to blame, because he did not turn out to be far-sighted, did not see, believed the external guarantors. And in general, if you can’t resolve the situation, resign, and he, holding on to a chair, led the country to .... we all see. What could have happened to Syria worse than it is now?
                      1. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 17 March 2018 14: 52
                        +1
                        The main culprit is Assad himself.

                        That is, Assad organized the first riots (Hama or Homs, I won’t tell you exactly)? Is he?
                        But this is ridiculous:
                        and in Syria, the conflict is from within, fighting their own with each other.

                        And the third positive element, but already purely for Aliyev, he utilized almost 1000 thousand ideologically savvy and in most athletes radically inclined to power in Syria, plus another part there is fighting.
                        This was written by your compatriot Eraz, just below. One says that even in Azerbaijan, Azerbaijanis are fighting, against Assad, you say that the Syrians are fighting each other. You will decide between yourself first. And in this case, I somehow believe Erazu, Kadyrov, and the FSB more. The fact that several thousand Russians are fighting against Assad in Syria, and more than ten thousand come from the former USSR. So to say nonsense that in Syria the Syrians are at war with each other is not necessary. Then what is the Turkish army doing there? That is, she took one side in the civil war? Aggressor? In your statement there are a lot of not joining.
                    3. Ramzay121
                      Ramzay121 17 March 2018 16: 28
                      +1
                      "That is, Assad organized the first riots (Hama or Homs, I won’t tell you)? He?"
                      Who cares who?) He admitted!
                      “This was written by your compatriot Eraz, just below. One says that even the Azerbaijanis are fighting in Syria, against Assad, you say that the Syrians are at war with each other. You will first decide between yourself. And in this case, I will somehow believe Eraz, Kadyrov, well, and the FSB. That several thousand Russians are fighting against Assad in Syria, and more than ten thousand are immigrants from the former USSR. So there is no need to argue that Syrians are fighting each other in Syria. is there a Turkish army doing? That is, it took one side in the civil war? Aggressor? There are a lot of connections in your statement. "
                      What do you mean between you decide?)) Everyone has their own opinion or you do not. Your compatriots also write different, excellent. from your opinion, then you can also decide. Or here all groups act)). Yes, there are immigrants, terrorists from different countries, not only from the former USSR, but from Europe and America, etc. They are fighting on the side of various warring Syrian groups. It’s about this that they created such an opportunity. And Turkey is just there fighting the terrorists. What are you so obsessed with in Turkey?
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 15 March 2018 16: 58
              0
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Assad didn’t annoy Azerbaijan.

              Mistake. In Syria, was one of the most powerful Armenian diasporas, which sponsored both money and fighters in the Karabakh war. Plus politically, Assad kept ala neutral.
              But Azerbaijan was dying from the destruction of Syria. The basis of the Armenian diaspora was destroyed, or rather completely undermined. The Armenians left most of Syria and the BAH there was a second pleasant moment. The Syrian Armenians tried to settle in Karabakh, but the prosperous Armenians completely faced the system of former communists and quickly left and Most of Karabakh and Armenia left for Europe and the USA.
              And the third positive element, but already purely for Aliyev, he utilized almost 1000 thousand ideologically savvy and in most athletes radically inclined to power in Syria, plus another part there is fighting.
              Well, the associated pluses, which are still not quite clear in the distant future, are Turkey’s increased influence and Iran’s complete alignment there, which makes it more accommodating and lenient in relations with Azerbaijan and less interference in the internal affairs of Azerbaijan and in particular Aliyev.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 15 March 2018 17: 56
                +1
                I won’t argue with the waters, because I don’t own the info (for Armenians, etc.). These are your indirect benefits. May be. I wrote about something else, your compatriot wrote in a derogatory manner for the leader of a sovereign state with which Azerbaijan did not conflict. When I answered similarly, another of your compatriots wrote that this is sad, not Safavi, but me. And I advise some of your pan-Turkic ardor to diminish. And if you write something in the comments, then not your wet Wishlist, but the facts.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 16 March 2018 15: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  your compatriot in a derogatory manner wrote for the head of a sovereign state with which Azerbaijan did not conflict.

                  and what doesn’t it have ?? Has. He looks from a human point of view, plus they recall the analogy with Aliyev. Tomorrow people will rise against Aliyev and the Russian air forces will defend him with the words that he is LEGITIMATE, only everyone knows how the elections are held and how much he legitimate. Assad on a piece of paper, but in fact for most Syrian people it is not legitimate, otherwise it could be restrained with the help of Iran. But there was no help from the Russian Armed Forces, the MTR of the Russian Federation, Wagner from Russia, Hezbollah and a bunch of Shiite troops from around the world. And you will say there are strangers on the other side, but the bulk are Syrians, and the strangers were mainly in Isil. Therefore, Assad will not be able to control the whole country, since the majority is against him.
                  1. kiril-belo
                    kiril-belo 16 March 2018 23: 15
                    +1
                    There were elections, Assad won. He is a legitimate president, he is the guarantor of freedom and independence of Syria, located in Syria (a pebble in the direction of Yanukovych). And according to the principles of the UN, each member of this organization should strive to maintain peace on Earth and observe the inviolability of the borders of any other sovereign state, a member of the UN. Therefore, the substantiated request of Russia from Assad was supported by us. There are just no questions. There are questions about how it was carried out and is being carried out. If they would wet not only the bearded, but also their patrons who are there, then there would be fire. And only the manifestation, and not the cause of the disease, is urinated.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 17 March 2018 03: 19
                      0
                      Quote: kiril-belo
                      There were elections, Assad won.

                      yeah, of course))) It is not necessary for people from the East to talk about the elections and how they are elected and how they are distributed. Asadov’s family has been in power for almost 50 years, it’s probably legitimate)))
                      The Aliyevs are in independent Azerbaijan only 25 years in power, plus 13 years in the Soviet Union of Azerbaijan and the wife of the second person in the country and the restrictions on the elections lifted and the age for the presidential candidate and deputies lifted, of course, for whom and you will tell about the legitimacy))) )
                      Although yes there will be a rebellion tomorrow, you will legitimately become the president to speak and you will achieve only that, as in Syria, except for 20% of Assad’s supporters, the bulk will hate Russia, since the dictator’s defense is in place, the strategy is initially wrong, it’s better to side with the majority and on their rise to earn dividends, so there is no politics from the opposite.
                  2. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 17 March 2018 00: 54
                    +1
                    Yes, it does, when I wrote by analogy Alievishka, your compatriot replied that it was sad. Then, justify me before answering him. The second - I am not a supporter of giving nicknames to the leaders of states, they were chosen by the people (except Ukraine), we must have respect.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 14 March 2018 11: 18
      +7
      “If the old basin were stronger, my story would be longer.” (Marshak. "Three Wise Men")
      Damantsev’s situation with the Syrian situation in the Idlib "adder" is quite complete. But according to a fragment of any system, it is impossible to reproduce all its tasks. The formula does not go into details, but reflects only the general properties of something well-established. But uncovering the essence in an ever-changing task is ungrateful. I agree with the author that he deliberately limits his vision to 3-5 years. However, in the history there were events and not quite predictable, which turned any forecasts upside down.
      And so, many thanks to the author for a qualified analysis of events in Syria! hi
    4. russia2016
      russia2016 14 March 2018 11: 22
      +2
      My dear, do you even know that there are more Kurds than Turks in Turkey, so why do not they have the right to create their own state?
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 14 March 2018 16: 03
        +3
        Quote: russia2016
        My dear, do you even know that there are more Kurds than Turks in Turkey, so why do not they have the right to create their own state?

        Because Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt decided differently.
        1. andj61
          andj61 14 March 2018 20: 57
          0
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          Quote: russia2016
          My dear, do you even know that there are more Kurds than Turks in Turkey, so why do not they have the right to create their own state?

          Because Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt decided differently.

          And where does Stalin and Roosevelt? After the WWI, England and France dealt with the division of the Ottoman Empire. It was then that all the current borders were defined. Churchill was already in politics then, although not in the first roles, so he has something to do with it. But Stalin and Roosevelt only agreed that after WWII, England and France would gradually give their mandated territories, in accordance with the decision of the League of Nations, independence.
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 15 March 2018 17: 02
        +2
        Quote: russia2016
        My dear, do you even know that there are more Kurds than Turks in Turkey, so why do not they have the right to create their own state?

        ahahah)) well, well then these people are not doubly deserving. They are more than Turks in Turkey, but Turkey rules and they don’t have a nuclear club to be afraid to destroy them. It just doesn’t work out and there are less Kurds than they attribute to them, and the number that is Don’t burn with hatred of Turkey, as it is again elevated and the plus and even this contingent of Kurds are scattered among themselves and even hate each other. And even in Afghanistan, on the side of Turkey, Kurdish troops are fighting, not to mention the Soldiers Kurds of the Turkish army, the Prime Minister of Kurd and the head of the special services of the Kurd, etc.)))) Tales are good if you tell their children or fools)))
    5. V. Salama
      V. Salama 14 March 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      . ... The creation of Kurdistan will be in their first place ... Turks on this occasion have no illusions ... That is precisely what caused their actions ...

      What kind of Kurdistan are we talking about? Kurds live in Iraq, Syria, Turkey. They do not have illusions about creating a united Kurdistan and do not even dream, because they themselves do not need it. But like any other people, they need an instrument to protect their national interests - statehood or autonomy in these places of their compact residence, but things are going very badly with this, although they continue to achieve this in various forms. That's all. And Turkey is a historically bullied aggressor. I don’t know what kind of illusions she feeds, since they can’t be called illusions - they are getting their way slowly, Satan from impunity. They press their Kurds and climb onto foreign territory for tidbits, justifying this with the reason precisely to prevent the creation of a single Kurdistan, which would threaten their territorial integrity. Erdogan is a thousand times worse than Psaki, she’s at least just a talking head, and this wise man will invent a dirty trick, cover it with a lie and realize it under a plausible pretext.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 15 March 2018 04: 07
        +1
        Assad offered autonomy to his Kurds, they refused. Kurdish autonomy in Iraq led to an outbreak of civil war. So the Kurds themselves do not seem to want to live in peace. In the USSR, Kurdish autonomy was also abolished for approximately the same reasons, i.e., nationalism and separatism.
  2. Mih1974
    Mih1974 14 March 2018 08: 07
    +3
    And let's look at the situation from a different angle: the SAA, of course, not itself, but under our guidance and support, destroys one of the terrorist’s viper after another; yes - slowly, but hard, but it is important that - Consistently. Remember how much trouble there was about Americans in the south and their support for terrorists, and now, the terrorists are almost over and their support has somehow been "blown away."
    Yes, the problem of the Turks exists and has not yet gone away, but the war is not over yet to assume that both the Americans and the Turks will "sit down" on those "chairs" that they have captured. repeat Much more important is what will happen to the rudeness of the Americans with threats to continue the bombing of Syria !! request If ours rest on their horn and drive the merikasas “for mozhaia”, then in the future the Turks can also write a “exit ticket”. All you need to carefully and soberly see just how the Turks are trying to capture Afrin. negative This is a shame, frankly, against the background of even the Syrians, they look very pale and even somehow miserable. Therefore, if Russia + Iran "raises the question" about the presence of Turks in Syria, then the Turks will have nothing to oppose in combat. tongue
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 14 March 2018 09: 18
      +5
      One thing you need to understand here, Russia will not conduct military operations with Turkey or the United States on the territory of Syria, these are illusions of our patriots who want to see reality in a slightly different light and are trying to find tricky combinations, in fact, Syria is now occupied on one side by Turkey, which has no desire to return the territory to the legitimate authorities of the country, with the other USA that have impudently set up their military bases, outlined the territory behind which is their zone of influence and live quite calmly in this zone, and even prepare militants to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, and attempt to take away this territory will be suppressed by military means .... if ours can change the situation in a diplomatic format and transfer the territory that is now under Turkey and the United States to the legitimate authorities of Syria, it will be a great success. Militarily, there will not be a clash between Russia vs Turkey vs the USA, ours won’t do it, too much is tied up there ....
      1. russia2016
        russia2016 14 March 2018 11: 30
        +6
        But there will be no clashes between Turkey and the USA, but there will be Russia vs USA + Turkey, and finally you will leave a coma!
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 14 March 2018 12: 01
          +1
          This is what I have indicated, Russia vs Turkey, Russia vs USA, I just did not bother with the designation of the participants) I apologize for the inaccuracy.

          And there will be no such option for USA + Turkey, each of them has its own interests in the region.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 14 March 2018 12: 26
        0
        And you consider the situation in the light of the latest statement of our Moscow region, “the United States will conceive to strike at those Syria and even more so at the places where our troops may be — we will not only shoot down missiles, but also sink American ships, shoot down planes, or maybe and hit your bases " am good . Now let’s project it further - Syrian air defense, together with the Russian one, is moving closer to the occupied zones and publicly requires the occupants to "not fly otherwise - by knocking it down" to begin with. We look at the statement of our Ministry of Defense and understand that neither the Turks nor the United States will beat the Syrians under our cover (they would like to live) and then choose to fly away from Syria or "dodge" missiles. repeat good
        You see what the Syrian army is about, of course not by itself, but under our "hat" it can at least threaten the invaders, and at the very least start to really kill them. What again confronts the USA and Turkey with a stern choice is to bomb Syria and seize Russia (here the Merikas will not seem enough) or carry off their legs. Again, if they thought that “Russia was joking,” it would be a huge risk anyway - and suddenly, not joking, and strictly according to the law, now he will organize mountains of corpses for us. For which they will have to make excuses within their countries and blame everything on the evil Russians for nothing, for their people have long understood everything. And we will accept the lawlessness of the USA and Turkey until the coffins go by trains.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 14 March 2018 12: 41
          +2
          If the Americans decide to strike in Syria (and Damascus in particular), then, as in the case of the Kyrgyz Republic’s strike at Al-Shairat airbase on April 7, 2017, they will warn our military in advance through official communication channels to prevent incidents that could provoke hostilities between Russia and the USA. And the statement of our Defense Ministry is designed to try to prevent such actions (strike against Syria), and take it weakly, i.e. the calculation is that the Americans will be frightened of the retaliatory actions of Russia, but as it will be in fact ... it’s difficult to say, most likely ours will simply withdraw their own from the strike zone and the United States will strike. The real situation in which ours will strike at American ships (carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic), and thereby unleash an open war with the possible use of nuclear weapons, I do not consider.
  3. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 14 March 2018 08: 46
    +8
    And how else can we talk about the advisability of selling the S-400 complex to the Turks. What nonsense could such thoughts be born at all? Does Garant really think that they are called at once? A bald trait, and the height of naivety will never happen! Turks were, are, and will remain Turks, from the sources hostile to the Russian world !!!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 March 2018 11: 12
      +3
      Exactly, they will also merge all the Old information into 400 states.
    2. russia2016
      russia2016 14 March 2018 11: 15
      +1
      Unfortunately in Russia, not everyone understands this or does not want to understand
    3. Ramzay121
      Ramzay121 14 March 2018 13: 59
      +4
      This is a business, give rockets take money. And what did Greece give S-300 and what? Did you decide that the Turks are hostile to the Russian world? Therefore, in the summer, millions have a rest there and enjoy the hospitality. Nonsense is not necessary to carry. Understand first with real enemies, cat. feed
      1. russia2016
        russia2016 14 March 2018 16: 27
        +1
        It’s not my native who decided that the Turks are hostile to Russia, this is just a simple conclusion made on the basis of historical data of the extremely “friendly” relations between Turkey and Russia. For hundreds of years, Turkey has been a strange aggressor with imperial ambitions, the politics of today's Turkey is no different from the policies pursued by the Ottoman Empire, and the appetites of its current Sultan Ertogan are in no way inferior to his predecessors. And the next clarification of relations with Russia is just a matter of time. And the fact that Russia sends military equipment and advanced technology to the Turks, boosts its economy with billions of infusions is a big mistake, and in the end it will turn out sideways. So I’m not talking nonsense, do not write off the conclusions, the conflict between Turkey and Russia in Syria is brewing
        1. ashot1973
          ashot1973 14 March 2018 20: 00
          0
          Very reasonable! good
        2. protoss
          protoss 14 March 2018 22: 38
          0
          loot defeats evil.
          in Russia and Turkey, the trade turnover is many times greater than the Russian trade with Syria, Greece, Armenia, etc. "friends of Russia" combined. therefore, some foreign policy differences can be endured))
        3. Ramzay121
          Ramzay121 15 March 2018 13: 20
          +2
          Well, yes, listen to Bagdasarov and other "experts" in Turkey and you will think so. Somehow the Turks and Russians themselves will figure it out, without the advice of Armenians and Kurds. The conflict is brewing, say), and you are glad to see). Do not worry, everything will be decided.
  4. Foximion
    Foximion 14 March 2018 08: 56
    +4
    Quote: Mih1974
    Therefore, if Russia + Iran "raises the question" about the presence of Turks in Syria, then the Turks will have nothing to oppose in combat. tongue

    CAA + Hezbollah + limited contingent of the air forces vs the Turkish army, what will be strengthened in the occupied territories + horseradish cloud of fighters of the SSA? Given that the Turks are still somehow in the wild. In my couch strategy, the advantage is not in our favor.
  5. Bumbarash
    Bumbarash 14 March 2018 09: 00
    +1
    Another expert ... Well, not in Gene. Are we sitting at the headquarters? You forgot to ask to whom, when and where kirdyk.
  6. flicker
    flicker 14 March 2018 09: 19
    +1
    From this we can make the only adequate and disappointing conclusion: for the Russian military contingent in the Mediterranean coast, the “Idlib viper” is turning into an extremely dangerous destabilizing stronghold, capable of not only carrying out the usual harassing actions against Tartus and Khmeimim, but also undermining the defense capabilities of these objects in critical military situation. Imagine a situation in which the “Shells” and “Four hundredths” will need to work out the coalition (aircraft or high-precision missile weapons) using the numerous means of air attack of the Navy and Air Force
    Author alarmist? The coalition wants to leave the coalition. Can you imagine if we work out coalitions for countries that have neither Shell nor Four Hundred?
  7. steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 March 2018 11: 03
    +5
    This article only confirms my assumption - our General Staff is not finalizing. In war, politeness does not always work. Two downed planes and shelling of our base is not a refinement of our General Staff. Turkey could not be allowed into Syria! And the fact that they could not agree with the Kurds is the fault of Lavrov.
    1. Ramzay121
      Ramzay121 14 March 2018 13: 56
      +5
      If Turkey had not been allowed into Syria (no one could have stopped it), then the Russian base would not be there now.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 15 March 2018 04: 14
      0
      And where to go? If you do not let the Turks, then our troops must be brought in. Only then would such a howl rise both abroad and here in Russia.
  8. NordUral
    NordUral 14 March 2018 11: 10
    +1
    God save us from such allies!
  9. solovald
    solovald 14 March 2018 11: 11
    0
    It seems that the Turks really will not leave Syria - there are no real mechanisms of influence on them (the tomatoes will not be rolled anymore). In other matters, it will also be impossible to squeeze out amers in the coming decades (there are no such forces).
  10. russia2016
    russia2016 14 March 2018 11: 13
    +2
    The stupidity of Russian generals and strategists in all its glory, still apparently did not take off their pink glasses when their eyes are directed to Turkey;) The Turks will never leave Syria as well as from NATO, ultimately the goal is to throw them away and Assad they are not they hid it, Afrin is only the beginning, pro-Turkish formations are already fighting at full speed with the Syrian army. Russia fell into another trap hastily reporting victory
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 14 March 2018 11: 56
      +4
      It’s not Russia that has fallen into a trap, it’s the oligarchy of the Russian Federation that has “heaped up matters” with the next KhPP. They allowed the open enemies of the SAR (Turkey, Israel and the secondary school) to have some kind of zone of "influence and responsibility" in the SAR, wiped themselves off after obvious kicks (Su-24, Su-25, "Tomahawks", PMC "Wagner") directly to us, here and got the real situation. Further it will be worse.
  11. Radikal
    Radikal 14 March 2018 11: 56
    +2
    Quote: russia2016
    The stupidity of Russian generals and strategists in all its glory, still apparently did not take off their pink glasses when their eyes are directed to Turkey;) The Turks will never leave Syria as well as from NATO, ultimately the goal is to throw them away and Assad they are not they hid it, Afrin is only the beginning, pro-Turkish formations are already fighting at full speed with the Syrian army. Russia fell into another trap hastily reporting victory

    Nothing depends on the generals - all questions to the Guarantor! hi
    1. russia2016
      russia2016 14 March 2018 16: 32
      +1
      I didn’t want to insult the generals, I mean strategists from the Kremlin
      1. Dart
        Dart 14 March 2018 19: 50
        0
        Well, kaneshno kaneshno ... that’s what everything was brought to smoothly)) What is your cooperation, however lol
    2. Dart
      Dart 14 March 2018 19: 50
      0
      Well, kaneshno kaneshno ... that’s what everything went smoothly)) crying
  12. askme
    askme 14 March 2018 12: 28
    +5
    The title is provocative. The headline is a clean and unclouded hysterical stuffing, by itself. The content of the article does not correspond to the title, because from the content it is NOT clear who exactly and in what specifically "caught on" and why specifically "is it not too late." Absolutely not shown specifically in what exactly the Luser attempts of the “realized” are manifested. It has not been proved, it has not been shown convincingly that the events described are not a carefully thought out position, strategy, but they are precisely the throwings of an insecure loser, which tend to catch oneself. The reader is invited to think up who exactly “caught on,” why the actions of the one who, in the opinion of the author, “caught on,” and why it is “not too late,” are interpreted. It is also obvious that the author only speculates on topics, and does not reveal them deeply. That’s how ALL TROLLEYS WORK WITHOUT EXCLUSION, the purpose of which is to create uncertainty, doubt, panic in a difficult situation of any informational confrontation. In this case, the inhabitants of Runet. After reading the article, the average reader of VO will fantasize his own fears and empty his intestines on the SOMEONE who has “suddenly caught on” who was not specifically named in the article. Which, of course, will weaken in information terms one of the parties to the conflict. In this case, the side of Russia and their allies. Since the author muddy manner, as it were, speculating on the fears of sympathizers of this particular side ...

    Mr. Damantsev works professionally! The question is who and what is his true motive ...
    1. myobius59
      myobius59 14 March 2018 13: 33
      +3
      Yeah, you poured water, even more than the GDP in your message, regarding domestic politics ..
      But VERY similar
      In short, the president had the sense that, dear citizens, endure and hold on, because it will be even worse, but for you, "I don’t understand anything about this, because I DO NOT understand anything at all. But DO NOT APPROVE.
      But the words are some- "uncomplicated hysterical stuffing", "empty the intestines" - just a poet. Block or Mayakovsky.
    2. Antokha
      Antokha 14 March 2018 16: 40
      0
      I agree. The author has long been seen in panic. They have a place in life, but it is advisable to do a qualitative analysis instead. I suspect that the author could not have predicted any of Putin’s many steps. Which is good - they were developed as secretive, as well as the actions / inaction of our GS.
  13. myobius59
    myobius59 14 March 2018 13: 16
    +5
    Everything is correctly written by Damantsev. And those who are here all the time angry ("How to say it softer," - as Lavrov recently said), they themselves do not understand ANYTHING in this.
    Remember, ours will sit in a puddle in Syria, and sit tight. It doesn’t work out so that both ours and yours. How can one fight terrorism if Putin has the MOST TERRORIST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD- USA as a "partner" and a "friend". Yes, and the Jews Amer all the time waving .. It will not work to sit on two chairs with us-beat out, and put in a puddle. Matter of time ... We are still too weak to get involved in such a showdown, but we also need to be able to bluff ..
    Once again, Americans and Jews will be shandarahnut over Syrians, (and after all shandarahnut) - and once again we will show concern and ask the “partners” to be “more careful”. And ours will not answer anything there, so as not to “escalate the situation.” Nothing, but no desire. Scared. negative
    And all these generals of ours, promising an otter, look ridiculous and naive.
    Who will let them do it?
    We are waiting "with .. drinks
  14. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 14 March 2018 13: 38
    +1
    and we have all of Turkey under the gun ..
  15. Ramzay121
    Ramzay121 14 March 2018 13: 54
    +4
    "The barbaric epic with the military intervention of the Turkish army" ..... you can simply not read further. No, with the eclairs they should have come to the terrorists in Afrin. Why the author does not understand such agony. Yes, Turkish forces settled in Afrin, so what? So just have to rejoice at this. And what is better if the terrorists stayed there. This is beneficial for Russia itself, hence their interaction.
  16. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 14 March 2018 15: 49
    +2
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And how else can we talk about the advisability of selling the S-400 complex to the Turks. What nonsense could such thoughts be born at all? Does Garant really think that they are called at once? A bald trait, and the height of naivety will never happen! Turks were, are, and will remain Turks, from the sources hostile to the Russian world !!!

    Well, yes)) Therefore, the Turks, risking the fate of their own country, did not allow the German and Italian fleets to go to the Black Sea, and this is at the peak of the Wehrmacht’s power, when in the first few weeks they already took more than a million prisoners - soldiers of the Red Army. Can you imagine how the almost instant capture of Crimea, the entire Black Sea region and the destruction, rather than the evacuation, of the entire group of Soviet troops, on the fate of Stalingrad and the Caucasus with Baku oil, on which all Soviet Army equipment was supported, would have affected? Nonsense all this anti-Turkish paranoia fed by Turkophobes of all stripes and nationalities. Inertness of thinking and simply blindness, and even malignity ... Russia fought no less than Persia and Germany. And anyway, with whom Russia (and many times) did not fight? With the same Bulgaria, for example. And with England in the two largest wars it was an ally in general. So what?)) What now?
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 14 March 2018 19: 03
      0
      Yes, the Turks in WWII did not risk anything. Just having a very bitter experience of alliance with the Germans in WWI and the loss of their empire, they waited until the situation "for sure", simultaneously selling strategic raw materials to the European Union No. 1. And when the situation for the Germans became bad, it very briskly moved to the camp of the “winners”. Russia needs control of the straits, and therefore Turkey must be destroyed. Nothing personal.
      1. businessv
        businessv 14 March 2018 22: 24
        0
        Quote: zoolu350
        And when the situation for the Germans became bad, it very briskly moved to the camp of the “winners”.

        And after the war, the Turks very successfully restored Germany, still taking advantage of the preferences allocated to them in the post-war period because there were not enough workers in Germany itself. To date, 17,5% of Turks officially staying in permanent residence in Germany, and how many of their relatives are there and can’t be counted - entry is visa-free and unlimited in time. It is about the preferences of the Turks that the Germans strike, but this is a different story. So tell me now what the Turks have in mind ?!
  17. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 14 March 2018 15: 50
    +1
    Quote: russia2016
    My dear, do you even know that there are more Kurds than Turks in Turkey, so why do not they have the right to create their own state?

    You're wrong. They are much smaller.
    1. russia2016
      russia2016 14 March 2018 16: 37
      0
      I wonder how there can be fewer if only more than 20 million Kurds live in Turkey.
      Turks in modern Turkey (real Turks mean instead of fake) about 35 million
      1. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 15 March 2018 13: 58
        +2
        Is it interesting from what sources, or did you personally consider it? Funny numbers
  18. Sonet
    Sonet 14 March 2018 15: 58
    +1
    Yes, it’s very unfortunate that the Turks captured part of the territory of Syria, but on the other hand, the Kurdish lands did not submit to Assad anyway, and the fact that the Kurds will now be “squeezed” is entirely their fault.
    So, neither Syria nor Russia should make any difference for whom Afrin is. In a sense, the Turks are even more sane than a motley bunch of incomprehensible someone who submits to the Americans and already, heaped down our children with Deir ez-Zor in February .
  19. arsen69
    arsen69 14 March 2018 16: 17
    +3
    The author’s pathos is incomprehensible. What, in his opinion, needed to be done? To bring the SAA troops into Afrin when the Kurds refused the help of official Damascus, and thus fight with them and the Turks? Or the choice that was made - to let Assad's enemies fight among themselves, and thereby undermine the authority of America, which tried to be an ally of both, is more preferable? In such a multilateral conflict, using the contradictions between its participants is the most correct strategy. You can, of course, publish howls full of pessimism, but it’s better to see what is really happening on earth. After the defeat of ISIS, the SAA "bit off" almost half of the Idlib bridgehead, now it is the turn of East Guta and the Yarmouk camp. And after a while, the moment will come when the Syrian army will support the liberation struggle of its Kurdish citizens, who by that time will have the correct coordinate system in their heads.
  20. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 16: 41
    +2
    Damantsev, what’s the matter with you, did it really hurt so much ?! laughing
  21. Gomel
    Gomel 14 March 2018 16: 41
    0
    Alarmist article
  22. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 16: 42
    +1
    Quote: Ramzay121
    "The barbaric epic with the military intervention of the Turkish army" ..... you can simply not read further. No, with the eclairs they should have come to the terrorists in Afrin. Why the author does not understand such agony. Yes, Turkish forces settled in Afrin, so what? So just have to rejoice at this. And what is better if the terrorists stayed there. This is beneficial for Russia itself, hence their interaction.

    Do not be offended by Damantsev, he has a filia with a phobia often mixed.
  23. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 14 March 2018 16: 46
    +2
    Again - this is Daman’s alarmism. Chef, it's all gone. Again these screams: The guard, the Turks are coming ... It seems that he was given the task of "wetting" the Turks in their articles. At first he said that the YPG / PKK would certainly defeat the Turks, then he said that they were stuck in Afrin. Then he said that the Turks "in just one month of the military operation against Afrin killed about 1000 people of the Kurdish civilian population." It turned out to be a lie, YPG / PKK itself spoke only about 150 killed "peace" (including, by scattering, the number of killed their female recruits). Human rights activists who are not fond of the Turks spoke of 112 killed in a month b / d. The Turks claimed that not a single peace was hurt, presenting photos and shoots of whole and almost untouched artillery shelling and bombing cities of Afrin after the capture of the Turkish army and the SSA, in contrast to the ruins of East Guta, Raqqa and Aleppo. Earlier, Damantsev told about the "Yezidi genocide" in Afrin fool Where did the Yezidis come from? They live in Iraq mainly in Sinjar)) Then he said that the Americans with SDS would definitely begin to smash the Turks.) I have a good memory) Fortunately, in “VO” there is a convenient archiving of all comments and articles. Now he again dragged on a song about genocide, inevitable, and at the same time he dragged Armenians. And what about the Armenian genocide? From the Turkish side there are also Kurds and many. In general, the Turkish Prime Minister, Binali Ildrym, is a Kurd by nationality, as is intelligence chief Fidan Hakan. Here the war is more ideological with the Kurdish "North Korean Maoists," rather than ethnic. I can’t imagine the Germans - the Representative of the Council of People's Commissars and the leaders of the NKVD during the Second World War)) Although then a war was also declared against the Nazis, and not the Germans at all ... For the YPG / PKK Turks, there is an existential threat, shelling their cities and arranging terrorist acts there. In general, I am surprised that it’s the habit of Armenians to translate any conversation into genocide, even if you are discussing culinary ...
    1. protoss
      protoss 14 March 2018 22: 32
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      in afrin, by the way dofiga Yezidis. these are rkkashniki sent from Iraq over the past few years.
  24. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 16: 49
    +1
    [quote = own66] [quotelaughing Think Mr. Damantsev with your analytical mind, why would the Turkish "olive branch" operation and the CAA operation in Eastern Guta begin almost simultaneously. yes[/ Quote]
    He does not catch up with such things ...
  25. aleks700
    aleks700 14 March 2018 16: 55
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    Is it worth worrying about Afrin ?. In any case, the CAA did not shine. In one case, the United States would come in another Turkey. The only chance the Kurds had was to launch the Syrian army. They refused. Dragged to the last. So we got it.
  26. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 16: 57
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    Quote: Mih1974
    And you consider the situation in the light of the latest statement of our Moscow region, “the United States will conceive to strike at those Syria and even more so at the places where our troops may be — we will not only shoot down missiles, but also sink American ships, shoot down planes, or maybe and hit your bases " am good . Now let’s project it further - Syrian air defense, together with the Russian one, is moving closer to the occupied zones and publicly requires the occupants to "not fly otherwise - by knocking it down" to begin with. We look at the statement of our Ministry of Defense and understand that neither the Turks nor the United States will beat the Syrians under our cover (they would like to live) and then choose to fly away from Syria or "dodge" missiles. repeat good
    You see what the Syrian army is about, of course not by itself, but under our "hat" it can at least threaten the invaders, and at the very least start to really kill them. What again confronts the USA and Turkey with a stern choice is to bomb Syria and seize Russia (here the Merikas will not seem enough) or carry off their legs. Again, if they thought that “Russia was joking,” it would be a huge risk anyway - and suddenly, not joking, and strictly according to the law, now he will organize mountains of corpses for us. For which they will have to make excuses within their countries and blame everything on the evil Russians for nothing, for their people have long understood everything. And we will accept the lawlessness of the USA and Turkey until the coffins go by trains.

    If any of the external players starts to leave the SAR, Turkey will be the last to leave, so do not really hope))
  27. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 17: 04
    +1
    Quote: russia2016
    It’s not my native who decided that the Turks are hostile to Russia, this is just a simple conclusion made on the basis of historical data of the extremely “friendly” relations between Turkey and Russia. For hundreds of years, Turkey has been a strange aggressor with imperial ambitions, the politics of today's Turkey is no different from the policies pursued by the Ottoman Empire, and the appetites of its current Sultan Ertogan are in no way inferior to his predecessors. And the next clarification of relations with Russia is just a matter of time. And the fact that Russia sends military equipment and advanced technology to the Turks, boosts its economy with billions of infusions is a big mistake, and in the end it will turn out sideways. So I’m not talking nonsense, do not write off the conclusions, the conflict between Turkey and Russia in Syria is brewing

    Wow))) and how did the Greeks, Armenians and Kurds so much impatiently and so much want war between the Turks and Russia ?! Do you know that from the side you look like an absolute ignoramus? Kaaaakakye forecasts, kaaaakaya refinement ?! Do you want it so much? If yes, then your Wishlist is faulty, the Turks will set up and will work in the required mode wink
  28. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 17: 07
    +1
    Quote: NordUral
    God save us from such allies!

    I hope the Lord will hear you! hi
  29. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 March 2018 17: 20
    +2
    Quote: russia2016
    The stupidity of Russian generals and strategists in all its glory, still apparently did not take off their pink glasses when their eyes are directed to Turkey;) The Turks will never leave Syria as well as from NATO, ultimately the goal is to throw them away and Assad they are not they hid it, Afrin is only the beginning, pro-Turkish formations are already fighting at full speed with the Syrian army. Russia fell into another trap hastily reporting victory

    Greek-Armenian favorite method. When not rolling, start littering around. Now the entire Russian generals have become dumbasses, and you are the peak of excellence? laughing In general, such a statement is expected for a citizen of the NATO country, I just don’t understand who your mare is plowing for? Why aren’t you helping your minke whales in Syria, are they feeding and feeding you after the crisis? Armenians are allies of Russia, well, sooooo actively discussing all the topics here, but at least send a company there dumb? Or the same Greeks who are called stupid by the Russian generals here, it’s so easy to fight against stupid generals, why don’t you send a company to the Greeks there, well, at least you can transport NATO generals there, they are too smart ...
  30. Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 14 March 2018 17: 35
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    Everything has its time. Now the main task is the destruction of pro-American forces near Damascus. The turn will reach Idlib and the rest.
  31. BBP
    BBP 14 March 2018 18: 03
    +2
    A very weak and biased article, this photo was taken as part of the ATO in southeastern Turkey, recent negotiations between Turkey and the United States show that no one will defend the interests of the Kurds in Syria, the Americans have already promised not to prevent the Turks from clearing the northern part of Syria and Iraq
  32. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 14 March 2018 19: 16
    +2
    Quote: russia2016
    I wonder how there can be fewer if only more than 20 million Kurds live in Turkey.
    Turks in modern Turkey (real Turks mean instead of fake) about 35 million

    Turks, that is, those whose origin is mixed (in the distant past), consider themselves as such, that is, Turks. The most important thing is self-awareness. And who is not mixed at all? Even in ancient times, Turks (Turks) being imperial, i.e. the state-forming people (as well as the Russians) did not suffer the nationalist and racial x-th, for the imaginary purity of the nation is the lot of small and historically offended people. Turkic alliances from the Huns, Khazars, and ending with the Seljuks, Ottomans, etc. willingly absorbed new blood. What others did, including the Greeks. Alexander Frangulandi. Pontian Greeks: 2,5 thousand years long road:
    "In fact, the Greeks (Hellenes) did not come from one tribe of the" Greeks ", but from a mixture of many tribes. Among them were tribes that spoke it in Greek (more precisely, in its various dialects), but there were many tribes who spoke completely different languages ​​and by blood (i.e. genetically) belonged to completely different peoples. " Among them were Indo-European tribes, and the Asia Minor component, and the Illyrian (Albanians), and even the Afrasian component: Phoenicians (essentially Arabs) and even Ethiopians. It is known, for example, that the population of Cyprus consisted of Achaeans and Phoenicians. And according to ancient Greek tradition, the inventor of the Greek alphabet was the Phoenician leader Cadmus, who moved to Greece with his tribe. (This legend has some basis, since the truly Greek alphabet was invented on the basis of the Phoenician syllabic and even preserves the Phoenician names of most Greek letters). Source: https://www.rummuseum.ru/lib_f/frangulandi12.php The later infusions are the Slavs (Macedonians) and the Turks.
    By the way, from the book of D. Yeremeyev "Ethnogenesis of the Turks": S.T. Based on Armenian and Georgian sources, Yeremyan wrote (99.p.47) that already at the time of the Seljuks, Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, especially feudal lords, willingly converted to Islam for personal gain or for political reasons. There is also a link to Garbuzova: Many feudal lords, pursuing personal gain (internecine strife, desire to seize more lands) easily changed faith. The conversion of Armenians, for example, to Islam was commonplace. The author writes there: a lot of Armenians converted to Islam. This was caused by the most severe antagonism between Armenians and Byzantines. The Armenians, languishing under the religious yoke of Byzantium, at first joyfully welcomed the appearance of Oguzes in Asia Minor (49, p. 67). But incidentally, the Armenians always did when a new (stronger than the former) power came. So, necha blame the mirror)
    1. Midshipman
      Midshipman 14 March 2018 20: 17
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      No, of course, no one blames anyone. And this is not a matter of historical claims. The point is how these claims are used, and most importantly why. And it is in this context that decisions must be made and choices made.
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  35. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 14 March 2018 22: 02
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    In short, a lot of letters in the article, I did not understand who won that? Well, or at least wins winked
    1. Fatoss
      Fatoss 16 March 2018 22: 53
      +1
      There is nothing, as they say, the Kurds have been valued at all and no one has paid in beauty
  36. sanyasn
    sanyasn 16 March 2018 12: 36
    +1
    the universe always punishes genocide. The Kurds took an active part in the genocide of the Armenian people, now they are siphoning this bowl. The Ottoman Empire has already paid with its collapse, now modern Turkey is stepping on the same rake, has again taken up the genocide, now the Kurds, the reckoning will also come. we’re doing the right thing so that we don’t interfere and don’t take sides. We need to build our own world based on justice and mutual respect. Who wants to join, we ask for favors, and who does not want to, let them cut each other, we should die for their interests It’s not necessary. The Universe, the Almighty endowed people with the will and freedom to use this will, and “history is not a teacher, but an overseer, she does not teach anything, but only severely punishes for unlearned lessons” (Krichevsky). Judging by everything, we were ill with “missionary work” and don't get stuffed into the "guru".
  37. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 16 March 2018 16: 10
    +2
    Quote: sanyasn
    the universe always punishes genocide. The Kurds took an active part in the genocide of the Armenian people, now they are siphoning this bowl. The Ottoman Empire has already paid with its collapse, now modern Turkey is stepping on the same rake, has again taken up the genocide, now the Kurds, the reckoning will also come. we’re doing the right thing so that we don’t interfere and don’t take sides. We need to build our own world based on justice and mutual respect. Who wants to join, we ask for favors, and who does not want to, let them cut each other, we should die for their interests It’s not necessary. The Universe, the Almighty endowed people with the will and freedom to use this will, and “history is not a teacher, but an overseer, she does not teach anything, but only severely punishes for unlearned lessons” (Krichevsky). Judging by everything, we were ill with “missionary work” and don't get stuffed into the "guru".

    Each has its own truth and its own genocide. I already wrote that the Armenians "created" during the Russian occupation with the same Kurds. Want to exhibit? Even reading, not to imagine it, is scary. You need to know the Kurds who have returned and have done this with their families, not to mention property. And what, in fact, did the Armenians or others expect from them? The source, by the way, is the Kurdish popular newspaper (based on the book of Kurdish historians), which is negatively inclined towards Turkey. It simply did not occur to the Kurds and Turks to publicize the tragedy, to speak openly about the bullying of the invaders against the civilian population, about the suffering of women, children, sick, defenseless, etc., all the more popularize and capitalize on this political capital and preferences, knock out tears and sympathy from world elites. True, the Kurdish leftists are now learning this) But for the most part, some kind of masochistic drinking, fetishizing tragedy, is in a way tabooed in the harsh mentality of these peoples, shameful or something ... This also applies to the Caucasian peoples (a lot of slurping) who do not like to show their suffering, unlike the same Armenians and others ....
    What about the events in Afrin as genocide? It only comes to Damantsev’s head. Rather, the civilian, right-wingers are wetting the left (Maoists, fans of the Juche idea) and yes, the Trotsky Turks and Leninists of PYD / PKK members. On the opposite side there are the same Kurds, and quite a few, and the Arabs are the citizens of Syria ...
    1. Fatoss
      Fatoss 16 March 2018 22: 52
      +3
      Gaga duz soz deirsen not take not add well done
  38. Tarasios
    Tarasios 16 March 2018 22: 44
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    Today in the media I saw the information that Turkey does not recognize the annexation of Crimea by Russia, they say it is illegal, it is part of Ukraine, etc. To all appearances, Erdogan again fell in deep earnest. Erdogan runs up, fact. And here one "ban on tomatoes" can no longer get off.
    1. Fatoss
      Fatoss 16 March 2018 22: 51
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      You Ukrainians should like it and you are not so
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 March 2018 03: 24
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      Quote: Tarasios
      Erdogan again flinched in earnest.

      What does it mean AGAIN ?? When Turkey and Erdogan personally called the Crimea Russian ??? NEVER. Therefore, everything is stable.
      Quote: Tarasios
      And here one "ban on tomatoes" can no longer get off.

      Well, with the ban on tomatoes, they successfully traveled to Russia through other countries. And what else can Turkey be threatened with ?? Well, tomatoes and tourists were banned ?? Che, did Turkey die or fall apart from starvation ?? On the contrary, she entered Syria and expands more you’re not confusing Turkey with others. This country is quite developed. This Europeans can influence them more globally with sanctions, and not Russia.
    3. Ramzay121
      Ramzay121 17 March 2018 10: 18
      +1
      At least do not mention about tomatoes), a disgrace, they found something to answer. On the other hand, right, but what else?
  39. Fatoss
    Fatoss 16 March 2018 22: 49
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    Now you would have to harness for the Kurds that occupied the floor of the SAR along with the Ami, no brothers here you yourself didn’t have to carry out terrorist attacks in Turkey, you would look and blasphemed, but Russia will not be at odds with Turkey for you ..
  40. Nikolay Voskoboinikov
    Nikolay Voskoboinikov 17 March 2018 10: 22
    +1
    With our ambitious thoughts, Russia entered the war with the Muslim world, and they have different thoughts. Doubtful friends of the Turks, who dream of Syria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Crimea ... create tension for Russia, they are in NATO. Enough of our strategists at the Foreign Ministry to illusion them. In 1980, I worked at the Trade Mission in Turkey, it’s a pity that the Foreign Ministry Russia does not have specialists of that level. Apparently the oligarchs command the Russian Foreign Ministry
  41. Shahno
    Shahno 17 March 2018 15: 00
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    Okolotochny,
    Assad himself did not organize anything. But his unreasoned activity (and his clan) led to a civil war ..... And to the death of 100 thousand civilians. Did you get it right? But I had to sell the country to foreigners. A courageous step, I agree, but where were the brains ... earlier, earlier. Syria will fall apart.
  42. NordUral
    NordUral 18 March 2018 20: 29
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    Syrian Kurds (and indeed all other Kurds) in their right to self-determination. If Assad did not heed the arguments of reason, then let him blame himself. But do we need such problems? Assad would have pursued a reasonable policy on the federalization of Syria, would have given tough and honest guarantees to the Syrian Kurds, then the Turks would not have gone to Syria. And now he has a problem in all breadth. And the problems are with us, his allies. To be friends with Turkey is more expensive for itself, as well as with the Poles. This couple has phantom memories that interfere with intelligent politics. We are still choking with such an ally as Turkey.