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Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe

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The Ukrainian Naftogaz, judging by the information activity that has flared up from its side, is trying to do at least something so that Gazprom does not break all the previously concluded contracts. For today, Naftogaz managed to make two peculiar threats: first, they threaten Gazprom with the arrest of gas in Europe, and Europe itself; the second, already to Europe, by the fact that Gazprom will raise the price for it if it builds the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.


From the statement of the representative of the management of "Naftogaz" Andrei Kobolev:
When other suppliers turn away from Europe and realize that there is no point in trying to enter this market, because there Gazprom is ready for short-term dumping at any time, the Russian monopoly will understand that it has completely closed this market for other suppliers. Then Gazprom will use its other tactics. They will simply raise the price.


According to Kobolev, Europe should not allow Gazprom to implement the project SP-2, otherwise the Russian company will be “dangerous to dominate.”

Against this background, Gazprom calmly announced the terms of termination of contracts with Ukraine. According to Alexey Miller, we are not talking about the instantaneous breaking of contracts. Miller notes that the issue may take about one and a half years. It is noted that the contract under the current conditions will at least not be renewed.

Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe


Alexey Miller:
The demand for gas in Europe will not fall in the spring-summer period, since the underground gas storage facilities are practically empty there.


At the same time, Miller added that he was surprised when they were trying to give a political connotation to the issues of Russian gas supplies.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 13 March 2018 18: 57
    +5
    Of course, these sheep will need to be sheared to the fullest!
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 13 March 2018 19: 04
      +32
      ... Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe ...

      And if Gazprom does not build SP-2, then there is the possibility for Naftogaz to inflate transit prices and then parasitize on its rusty gas transportation system.
      Caring for the parasites of the country 404 is issued for concern for the fate of Europe.
      Cave logic of dill.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 13 March 2018 19: 06
        +7
        Cave logic? Of course. However, ours are not far gone. All hope is ONLY on gas ... The pillar of the economy ..
        Quote: Andrey K
        ... Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe ...

        And if Gazprom does not build SP-2, then there is the possibility for Naftogaz to inflate transit prices and then parasitize on its rusty gas transportation system.
        Caring for the parasites of the country 404 is issued for concern for the fate of Europe.
        Cave logic.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 13 March 2018 19: 12
          +7
          Dmitry, you forgot about oil. But - yes, hydrocarbons are the pillar of the economy.
          But defense is one of the best in the world. And in terms of price and quality - the best! What about civilian industry? Weak? I think no. But somewhere hidden "but."
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 13 March 2018 19: 35
            +2
            If the grandmother grows eggs, then she will become a grandfather. smile
            1. Crowe
              Crowe 13 March 2018 19: 39
              +6
              It would sound ridiculous, but from the Belarusian - ironic. After all, the only really valuable thing in Belarus is the Old Man.
              1. japs
                japs 13 March 2018 20: 35
                +14
                You, Crowe, are wrong. The only thing that is valuable in Belarus is people. Because bureaucracy does not belong to this category. Recently, cattle, boorish and frankly uneducated small-town “nominees” have come to power everywhere.
                I personally have been witnessing this for three months now. Lack of culture and rushing from them in all directions. And all, as one graduate of the Academy under the President of the Republic of Belarus.
                I wonder what is happening in the country ...
                1. Crowe
                  Crowe 13 March 2018 20: 42
                  +7
                  The most valuable thing in any state is the people. He is the only owner, but they forget about it. Officials of all stripes, from the president to the secretary of the head of the village council, forget that they are only managers.
                2. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 14 March 2018 06: 55
                  0
                  Quote: japs
                  Recently, cattle, boorish and frankly uneducated small-town “nominees” have come to power everywhere.

                  As if we live in the same country. "+" To you
              2. XXXIII
                XXXIII 13 March 2018 20: 43
                +1
                Quote: Crowe
                It would sound ridiculous, but from the Belarusian - ironic. After all, the only really valuable thing in Belarus is the Old Man.

                They now have the most valuable nuclear power plant, Old Man will leave someday, or maybe we’ll transfer the capital there .... wassat
        2. Andrey K
          Andrey K 13 March 2018 19: 13
          +12
          Quote: 210ox
          ... Cave logic? Of course. However, ours are not far gone. All hope is ONLY on gas ... The pillar of the economy ...

          Dim, I agree with you about the "effective" management in general and Gazprom in particular. There are not just mistakes, but disastrous things.
          But I’ll correct it - Gazprom is one of the pillars of the economy, it’s getting a lot of money from the budget. Oil, food, weapons - also the "pillars" of the economy.
          I would put the question in a slightly different way - is it time for the snickering "management" to slap on the scruff of the neck? A little appetite diminish. Then it would have dripped into the budget more and we wouldn’t play with you.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 13 March 2018 19: 23
            +3
            I agree. Here, for example, the same fines ... It’s not even a matter of double standards, but in “specialists” who concluded them. Indeed, there was probably a reinforced concrete option so that no lice would creep up. I will say only one swamp about the civil industry. .
            Quote: Andrey K
            Quote: 210ox
            ... Cave logic? Of course. However, ours are not far gone. All hope is ONLY on gas ... The pillar of the economy ...

            Dim, I agree with you about the "effective" management in general and Gazprom in particular. There are not just mistakes, but disastrous things.
            But I’ll correct it - Gazprom is one of the pillars of the economy, it’s getting a lot of money from the budget. Oil, food, weapons - also the "pillars" of the economy.
            I would put the question in a slightly different way - is it time for the snickering "management" to slap on the scruff of the neck? A little appetite diminish. Then it would have dripped into the budget more and we wouldn’t play with you.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 13 March 2018 19: 30
              +10
              Quote: 210ox
              ... I agree. Here, for example, the same fines ... It’s not even a matter of double standards, but in the “specialists” they concluded them. There probably was a reinforced concrete option so that no louse would creep up ...

              Dim, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I am not special in gas supplies and any bookkeeping. I'm a lawyer. And the jambs bother me, precisely from this point of view. You understand the essence.
              The Kremlin agreed, Miller shook hands and believes that this is where his activity ended. He sits and waits for the baked goods to start baking themselves. Legal scoundrels begin to crawl out, and he’s using the counter-screws as a loop-loop, lips with a bow, hands to the side. Well them .. nice manager. Where are the lawyers, where is the transaction support, where is the risk analysis of these transactions?
              ZERO - ZERO !!!!
              And gas is gas; Europeans cannot go anywhere without our gas. They know how to count money. Nobody wants to overpay and not the fact - that these pull-push from the country 404, not from the filing of our partners. Unobtrusive coercion to lower the price of gas, otherwise “Stockholm” arbitration and fines, for the country's insolvency 404.
              1. Monos
                Monos 13 March 2018 20: 15
                +4
                According to Kobolev, Europe should not allow Gazprom to implement the project SP-2, otherwise the Russian company will be “dangerous to dominate.”

                Good try, dill. smile But no!
              2. antivirus
                antivirus 13 March 2018 22: 22
                0
                From the very beginning, the gas contract was dumb, Julia received all of this from her industrialists.
                I saw already in 10 g (the seer) I watered a bribe - the GDP promised to support it as a president of the outskirts (against Yushchenko and about Yanuk, forget, maybe, "the 3rd round was lost, it's rather weak")
                and the conditions could be changed if desired - there weren’t and aren’t now.
                IMMEDIATELY (NOTE 12-13YY) THERE WAS AN OPINION-ARBITRATION "TO AGREE A CHANGE OF CONDITIONS".

                “COURTS IN EUROPE FOR THE USER.” - FROM those disputes.
                .. "BUT OUR YANUK + AZAROV" CHOOSED DON'T HARRY. The Russian market was opened to Ukrainians widely under expensive gas - the economy was ringing. But in the watered plane it did not grow together .. the cookies fed for a long time, not only on the Maidan
                gradually losses of the outskirts !!! and more Gazprom’s profits brought everyone to a nervous breakdown - there is NOTHING MUCH MORE TO LOSE besides such losses ..
            2. perm23
              perm23 14 March 2018 05: 35
              0
              in citizen. basically all private traders. As they want, so they work.
          2. Cadet
            Cadet 13 March 2018 19: 46
            +4
            Leadership needs to be slapped on the scruff of the neck and managers, otherwise, as the old trick is usually done, the salaries of workers will be increased, and bonuses will be reduced.
          3. BecmepH
            BecmepH 14 March 2018 06: 57
            0
            Quote: Andrey K
            I would put the question in a slightly different way - is it time for the snickering "management" to slap on the scruff of the neck? A little appetite diminish. Then it would have dripped into the budget more and we wouldn’t play with you.

            Of course it's time, only who will give them a scruff of the neck? Companions?
        3. Kent0001
          Kent0001 13 March 2018 19: 15
          +3
          Have you tried drinking with grief? Try it, maybe it will help you. And for reference, we are not only selling gas (although there is a lot of it) to the west. Yes, and what not to sell, once there .... and there are many.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 13 March 2018 19: 48
            +4
            With grief? What? What is the economy we have skewed? So before everything was .. I didn’t drink too much. And you (although why to the opponent on “You” if he pokes). And in the previous comment I didn’t even worry that our group in Syria will be destroyed once or twice .. Whose will you be, "lord" yes
            Quote: Kent0001
            Have you tried drinking with grief? Try it, maybe it will help you. And for reference, we are not only selling gas (although there is a lot of it) to the west. Yes, and what not to sell, once there .... and there are many.
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 13 March 2018 20: 55
            +1
            Hydrocarbons. Weapons Corn. Round wood. Can one be proud of such an export structure?
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 13 March 2018 22: 19
              +5
              Quote: Korsar4
              Can one be proud of such an export structure?

              Quote: Korsar4
              Hydrocarbons

              Ask the Saudis
              Quote: Korsar4
              Weapon

              Ask the Americans
              Quote: Korsar4
              Grain

              Ask in African and Arab countries
              Quote: Korsar4
              Round le

              Ask the Finns. And you will be happy !!!
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 13 March 2018 23: 03
                0
                Finns do not export roundwood. Recycle.

                Orientation in oil exports to Saudi Arabia is not the best role model.
        4. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 13 March 2018 19: 18
          +8
          Here Gazprom is a radish ... mother
          Doesn't give gas - steal
          Pipeline he to Europe
          I missed us by .opi!
          We will - again We are suing
          Haggle and dress
          To make money - for a run
          He would only pay us
          Otherwise, I’ll jump ....
          Muscovites - pounding .....
          Although it is clear that faster
          I'll get it in the neck again crying

          Sincerely A. A.
        5. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 13 March 2018 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          All hope ONLY on gas ... The pillar of the economy ..

          Actually, at the moment, the pillar of the Russian economy is oil.
        6. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 13 March 2018 21: 24
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          Cave logic? Of course. However, ours are not far gone. All hope is ONLY on gas ... The pillar of the economy ..

          No, well, if we have Dofig gas, why not sell it? Moreover, there are those who buy it. On the contrary, it’s necessary to say “GLORY TO GOD” for the fact that we have this resource that is steadily replenishing the sovereign’s treasury and at the same time gives the opportunity to “INFLUENCE” the geopolitical agenda taking into account Russian interests. As I understand it, if you had 40-50 extra bags of potatoes, then you would have sought to sell them sooner rather than rot them. Money from the sale of gas goes to retirement, new technologies, and the development of new weapons as well.
        7. ochakow703
          ochakow703 14 March 2018 06: 26
          0
          You just can’t see it from the sofa.
      2. kapitan92
        kapitan92 13 March 2018 19: 43
        +4
        Quote: Andrey K
        And if Gazprom does not build SP-2, then there is the possibility for Naftogaz to inflate transit prices and then parasitize on its rusty gas transportation system.

        hi . Not certainly in that way. If there is no JV 2, and the transit agreement ends in 2019, Gazprom has the right to set a condition for Europe to accept gas on the border of Russia and the outskirts. In this case, actually shifting to Europe all the risks of transit and maintenance of the GTS.
        Europe understands this perfectly and has already set the West’s privatization of the GTS in exchange for loans. hi
      3. Partyzan
        Partyzan 13 March 2018 19: 47
        +3
        Quote: Andrey K
        Cave logic of dill.

        Andrei hi here, as it turned out, they have much more logic than the Russified German -
        Against this background, Gazprom calmly announced the terms of termination of contracts with Ukraine. According to Alexey Miller, we are not talking about the instantaneous breaking of contracts. Miller notes that the issue may take about one and a half years. It is noted that the contract under the current conditions will at least not be renewed.
        - So gas is still supplied?
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 13 March 2018 20: 05
          +7
          Quote: Partyzan
          ... means gas is still being supplied? ...

          Volodya, it seems like not.
          Maydanuty claimed that they were forced to buy gas more expensive from European "suppliers".
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 13 March 2018 20: 08
            +3
            Quote: Andrey K
            Volodya, it seems like not.
            Maydanuty claimed that they were forced to buy gas more expensive from European "suppliers".

            and from the article it follows that it seems like yes
            and the Slovaks played together with ukroshumery - why such a price for gas was announced for them, remember their statements - we will recover the losses incurred from Gazprom
          2. Partyzan
            Partyzan 13 March 2018 20: 18
            +2
            According to Medvedev, he has a desire to hold a meeting with Ukrainian partners, at which all the claims of Naftogaz of Ukraine, which arose as a result of the Russian side’s refusal to supply gas to Ukraine from March 1, 2018, will be discussed, as well as to discuss the claims for damages, which suffered a Ukrainian company as a result of this decision. Regarding the termination of existing gas transit and supply contracts, Medvedev assured that Gazprom had sent a message to Naftogaz on March 5 this year informing them of the start of the termination process for existing contracts and offering to stipulate a date for the meeting on this issue.

            this is our press, and here is another nuance
            “The famous agreement between Gazprom and Naftogaz, which is formally valid until the end of 2019, stipulates that the parties should resolve disputes in the Stockholm arbitration,” said Sergei Pravosudov, director of the National Energy Institute. - This means that Gazprom, one way or another, committed itself to implementing the decisions of Stockholm. And this is a fact that is difficult to argue with.
            something like this, so whose overstrike is not clear to me hi
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 13 March 2018 20: 32
              +11
              Quote: Partyzan
              ... something like this, so whose overstriking is not clear to me hi...

              The same trouble is a whistle from all sides, who will whistle whom. I already wrote above: legal support is awful - at random. This shoblu of parasites, in our "national treasure", is driven by a filthy broom. How can you plunge out of the blue? But the jamb hangs on the illiterate, careless lawyers of Gazprom and the "effective" leadership of this company.
              How can an organization selling gas get into fines for the “short supply” of this gas through the transit gas transportation system 404th, with no victims of the “short supply”?
              This is nonsense, bullshit in a cube !!!
              And this is a jamb of lawyers! Not hard workers who produce gas in Siberia, but parasites sitting in the towers of Gazprom !!!
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 13 March 2018 20: 38
                +4
                Quote: Andrey K
                what a misfortune - a whistle from all sides, who whistles whom. I already wrote above: legal support is awful - at random. This shoblu of parasites, in our "national treasure", is driven by a filthy broom. How can you plunge out of the blue? But the jamb hangs on the illiterate, careless lawyers of Gazprom and the "effective" leadership of this company.

                here you are absolutely right - I posted an extract from the contract over your comment
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 13 March 2018 20: 39
                0
                They will figure it out without you - “By decision of the arbitration tribunal, Gazprom should pay Naftogaz $ 2,56 billion. But with the understanding that Naftogaz Ukrainy immediately made a statement saying that for the coming 2018–2019, before the end of the action contract Naftogaz Ukrainy on the basis of a decision of the Stockholm arbitration will still levy fines from us, and we will be forced to pay a few billion dollars. Of course, in such conditions, for us, these contracts become economically ineffective, inexpedient from an economic point of view. Gazprom has decided to initiate judicial termination of contracts through the Stockholm arbitration. But we have already appealed under the gas supply contract to Ukraine; before the end of March, an appeal will be filed under the transit contract. The contract termination procedure has been initiated in the prescribed manner. ”
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 13 March 2018 20: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  ... They’ll figure it out without you ...

                  Whoever doubted that they already sorted it out - do not spoil it at all.
                  To hit the tails, a lot of mind is not necessary.
                  To identify flaws in the contracts and stop them - this is the problem of these "without us pickers."
                  The company staff, all the same, should be certified for professional suitability.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 13 March 2018 20: 54
                    +1
                    Not everything is as simple as it seems - with contracts.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 13 March 2018 21: 05
                      +6
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      ... Not everything is as simple as it seems - with contracts ...

                      Vadim, it would be simple - we would sit with you at Gazprom and decide matters over tea.
                      And a little more complicated - so they don’t get ours too "wages", you can move your brains and work.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 March 2018 23: 16
                        +1
                        I don’t even get such a “salary” as mine, but Gazprom is a good investment platform for me.
              3. Lev Bronsch
                Lev Bronsch 14 March 2018 01: 17
                +1
                God !! Finally a sane comment !! I’ll just add - the only publicly and sane activity of the miller is waving the scarf of the political project at every match)). It’s clear that when you read the contracts here, you have to change the coaches every year and throw out a hundred million dollars annually for foreign players. Here is apparently his vocation and the real thing. But why at the same time lead Gazprom? I would go to the General Director to Sinit, and to the Fursenk to myself as deputy. And it would be okay - it is sinister in a fart, Gazprom with a sane leadership ....
        2. Idunavs
          Idunavs 13 March 2018 21: 59
          +1
          Quote: Partyzan
          Does gas still come in?

          Yes, transit is in progress. But there is no ukram.
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 13 March 2018 20: 08
        +3
        Quote: Andrey K
        Caring for the parasites of the country 404 is issued for concern for the fate of Europe.
        Cave logic of dill.

        And here’s another piece of news from Gazprom,
        Moscow, March 13 - “Vesti.Ekonomika” “There is very little gas left in European underground storage facilities today - somewhere 25%. In some countries this level is generally critical - somewhere 10%” “And that means that in the coming period injections, in summer, demand for Russian gas will also be high "
        This was stated by the head of Gazprom Alexei Miller at a meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.
        Again the zeal for the Sumerians .... negative
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 13 March 2018 20: 37
          +6
          Quote: Tersky
          ... Again the zeal for the Sumerians .... negative...

          Chi Peramoha? repeat
          They were going to arrest Gazprom’s gas in Europe! wassat
          Europeans will give the “arrested" gas to the “CEE Europeans” with their empty storages lol
          No, the Sumerians definitely - paramoHa laughing
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 13 March 2018 20: 41
            +3
            Quote: Andrey K
            No, the Sumerians definitely - paramoHa

            Yeah yes , but not for everyone, only for those who loot due to the difference in tariff with geyropeyskim partners sawing gas. Now the European reverse for the country 404 will be much higher than the 1000 green ... but non-aggressor, purest and most crappy ... laughing
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 13 March 2018 21: 17
              +7
              Quote: Tersky
              ... but non-aggressor, purest and most crappy ... laughing

              This is Peramoha, to which the Sumerians, since the time of digging the pit for the Black Sea, have been walking lol
      5. Skif83
        Skif83 14 March 2018 16: 12
        +1
        Logic here does not smell (in the normal sense). On the contrary, such a rotten "partner" as Hohland will be less, respectively, and the price can be reduced, although, given the behavior of Europe, you can raise it ...
        In general, by and large, you need to build a country, as under Stalin, and not rely on gas pipes!
        In life, we see only bravura slogans, "Potemkin" villages and impoverished people! And inflation of 2,5% (where did such figures come from ?!), which they believe is probably inside the Garden Ring or, moreover, inside the Kremlin ...
    2. Simon
      Simon 13 March 2018 19: 11
      +1
      I wonder what kind of sheep? If Europe, then the fee will be according to the contract! yes
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 13 March 2018 19: 22
      0
      The price of Russian gas is market, but cheaper than American. Still liquefied gas to produce from the Crimean fields. And Miller will be in chocolate. winked
      1. NKT
        NKT 13 March 2018 19: 47
        0
        And where will you supply this gas from the Black Sea? wink
        1. just exp
          just exp 14 March 2018 01: 23
          0
          Yes, in the same ruin, they have "American" coal being transported from Novorossiysk, now there will be "American" LNG from the Crimea ....
          but in reality this will not happen, because the gas liquefaction plant is worth fucking as expensive. and with Crimean gas volumes it is not profitable.
    4. vik669
      vik669 13 March 2018 22: 28
      0
      Well, why is Ukraine worrying for European friends, or maybe for someone else?
    5. Vend
      Vend 14 March 2018 09: 15
      0
      Bad of Kobolov economist analyst. By excluding Ukraine from the chain, Gazprom will not have to raise prices, because the amount that goes to Ukraine, as a transit country, will remain on Gazprom's accounts.
  2. taiga2018
    taiga2018 13 March 2018 19: 02
    +2
    ... and Ukraine will finally sit on your neck ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 13 March 2018 19: 17
      +6
      Quote: taiga2018
      ... and Ukraine will finally sit on your neck ...

      Lord let him sit where he wants, the main thing is let him get off our neck !!! and you don’t shake off the aggressor’s neck, it has stuck like a burdock to the nth place ...
  3. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 March 2018 19: 02
    +7
    Ukrainians spun around, like crucian carp in a pan. The brothers can smell that scribe creeps up.
    The price of gas for Ukrainians is expected to be much higher than for the same Germany - PEREMOGA !!!
    Finally, independence from Russia comes. Congratulations 404.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 13 March 2018 19: 06
      +3
      Quote: MKPU-115
      Ukrainians spun around, like crucian carp in a pan. The brothers can smell the maydanut that the scribe is sneaking up.
      The price of gas for Ukrainians is expected to be much higher than for the same Germany - PEREMOGA !!!

      toad crushes recourse
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 March 2018 19: 17
      +2
      I was banned for the third time on the face because I spoke out with respect to the non-brothers. Offend them nizyayayayaya. And we won’t, we’ll raise the current price of gas a little ... three times and normal. I support the comment.
    3. Partyzan
      Partyzan 13 March 2018 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: MKPU-115
      The price of gas for Ukrainians is expected to be much higher than for the same Germany - PEREMOGA !!!

      Did you read the article well? here it’s just that I’m getting better, they’ll get at least 1,5 years at the same prices, and only then they can at maximum be reviewed for an increase, and I won’t be surprised if they also pay the fine
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 13 March 2018 20: 53
        0
        Quote: Partyzan
        Quote: MKPU-115
        The price of gas for Ukrainians is expected to be much higher than for the same Germany - PEREMOGA !!!

        Did you read the article well? here it’s just that I’m getting better, they’ll get at least 1,5 years at the same prices, and only then they can at maximum be reviewed for an increase, and I won’t be surprised if they also pay the fine
        Old Man washed his hands and is ready to open the valve to the fullest, in which the change will be for Ukraine. Belarusian NPP will be launched to the fullest, where to put gas in the ruble? right, to europe. Soon, the economy of the Republic of Belarus will trample uphill, the Old Man is not going to leave yet, otherwise you will look like it will be indefinitely in China, a fashion trend ... yes
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 13 March 2018 21: 05
          +4
          Quote: XXXIII
          Old Man washed his hands and is ready to open the valve to the fullest, in which the change will be for Ukraine. Belarusian NPP will be launched to the fullest, where to put gas in the ruble?

          oops, but sho Gazprom returned the pipe? Did I miss a shoyt? recourse
          and the fact that the LAS will not be replaceable, and they will take it out of the presidential palace - I have long ceased to doubt it, it is normal, but the fact request
  4. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 March 2018 19: 03
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Of course, these sheep will need to be sheared to the fullest!

    But independent.
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  6. antivirus
    antivirus 13 March 2018 19: 06
    +2
    poor horses
    ruin your industry.
    lose their jobs in the north and instead of western Siberia go to work in the USA - to shale deposits, compete with Latinos.
    BUT THE WORLD WILL BE LOOKED,
    WHAT DO YOU SEE IN URENGO? -TOTALITARISM ONLY
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 March 2018 19: 19
      +1
      Their brains froze as soon as the pots pulled over their heads ... jumping in thaw did not help ... here is the result.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 March 2018 22: 09
        0
        I believe in a brighter future Outskirts
        they will succeed
        always the will conquers the darkness of ignorance
        feed the kangaroo with your hand -
        - what could be better in life?
  7. Falcond
    Falcond 13 March 2018 19: 08
    0
    If Gazprom builds SP-2, then “non-fallow” will not be interesting to the West as a gas transporter, and therefore not at all interesting !!! Guess where Ukraine will be forced to go?))
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 13 March 2018 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: FalconD
      Guess where Ukraine will be forced to go?

      I hope to Zimbabwe ...
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 13 March 2018 22: 48
        0
        It is worthless to call Zimbabwe Russia!
    2. cats
      cats 13 March 2018 19: 40
      +3
      Quote: FalconD
      If Gazprom builds an SP-2,

      I think the word if, you can already replace it with the word when ..
      Judging by the tantrum.
      But something too striped replay
      scorching it ..
  8. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 13 March 2018 19: 09
    +2
    Well, aren't they?))))) gas price pricing not only depends on Gazprom Wishlist, but also on demand, market and exchange ... to see the village over intelligence there still prevails
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya 13 March 2018 19: 11
    +7
    Naftogaz ... ... is trying to do at least something so that Gazprom does not break all previously concluded contracts

    the salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning themselves ... wink while it looks like dying convulsions ... bulbul ... lol
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 13 March 2018 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Naftogaz ... ... is trying to do at least something so that Gazprom does not break all previously concluded contracts

      the salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning themselves ... wink while it looks like dying convulsions ... bulbul ... lol

      The Stockholm court wanted to help Naftogaz-Ukraine, but it turned out that it killed the last, European humanity in all its glory .... lol
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 13 March 2018 21: 03
        +5
        Quote: XXXIII
        European humanity

        they don’t have such a word ... Their tolerance is everything! laughing
  10. Egorovich
    Egorovich 13 March 2018 19: 13
    +2
    Yes, prices for the ukrovermaht will in any case be much higher than for other countries in Europe, only prices will not be set at Gazprom, but in Germany. Blossom and flourish the “new Sumeria” !!! tongue
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 13 March 2018 19: 14
    +2
    it is understandable because Naftogaz will have to buy Russian gas at European prices without any discounts or other freebies ...
  12. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 March 2018 19: 15
    +2
    Quote: Andrey K
    ... Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe ...

    And if Gazprom does not build SP-2, then there is the possibility for Naftogaz to inflate transit prices and then parasitize on its rusty gas transportation system.
    Caring for the parasites of the country 404 is issued for concern for the fate of Europe.
    Cave logic of dill.

    fool
    The general list of supporters of SP-2
    The project’s supporters are countries that, through their strategic energy companies, either invest in the gas pipeline, or provide it with gas supply orders, or in whose countries the companies receive revenue from the construction of the gas pipeline:

    Germany (“E.ON”, “BASF”, “Wintershall”, “Uniper”)
    The Netherlands and the UK (Shell, Wasco Coatings Europe BV)
    Austria ("OMV")
    France ("ENGIE")
    Czech Republic (NET4Gas) [67]
    Finland (Fortum, [68] Wasco [69] [70])
    Switzerland (Allseas AG) [71]
    Malta (Pioneering Spirit) [72]
    Slovakia (conditional supporter in terms of Eurostream negotiations with Gazprom) [3]
    Norway (Kvaerner) [73]

    SHCHAZ THEY ALL THROW AND RUN TO RESCUE THE MAYDOWNS wassat
  13. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 March 2018 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: Kent0001
    I was banned for the third time on the face because I spoke out with respect to the non-brothers. Offend them nizyayayayaya. And we won’t, we’ll raise the current price of gas a little ... three times and normal. I support the comment.

    I, too, have now been warned for the non-brothers and the picture.
  14. Civilian
    Civilian 13 March 2018 19: 21
    +3
    Quote: FalconD
    If Gazprom builds SP-2, then “non-fallow” will not be interesting to the West as a gas transporter, and therefore not at all interesting !!! Guess where Ukraine will be forced to go?))

    Why so? It will be very interesting to the NATO StratEgam. What a "clean field" for staff (and not only) games. The gas pipeline does not interfere, move the figures wherever you want. sad
  15. izya top
    izya top 13 March 2018 19: 23
    +4
    that’s because the skakuasy-stuck to the pipe can’t be torn off request
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 13 March 2018 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: iza top
      that’s because the skakuasy-stuck to the pipe can’t be torn off request

      This Balchun forgot to report that the Muscovites are to blame for this bombardment (there is no Ukraine-Iran railway). It is necessary for this to write a fine on them in the Stockholm arbitration.
  16. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 March 2018 19: 26
    +2
    Quote: Civilian
    Quote: FalconD
    If Gazprom builds SP-2, then “non-fallow” will not be interesting to the West as a gas transporter, and therefore not at all interesting !!! Guess where Ukraine will be forced to go?))

    Why so? It will be very interesting to the NATO StratEgam. What a "clean field" for staff (and not only) games. The gas pipeline does not interfere, move the figures wherever you want. sad

    Syria number 2? Mattresses can, with naglaxaxes it is in the blood.
  17. Agent_017
    Agent_017 13 March 2018 19: 31
    +2
    If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe ... Maybe so. But, as practice shows, prices will rise (maybe there), but here it’s for ordinary people of our country ... They don’t care who pays the money there, most importantly the money goes to their skinny wallets ... on which they sleep instead pillows when people are sitting without work ... Stalin will come ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 March 2018 19: 45
      +3
      Nope, the leader of all nations has sunk into oblivion ... but we ourselves must move, unite and fight for our rights! Under lying on the couch ... well, we can and beer does not flow!
      1. Agent_017
        Agent_017 13 March 2018 19: 54
        +3
        And why under the lying ... Nobody is lying, we are moving .. We are fighting for our rights, we are not drinking beer ... We are waiting for Stalin ..
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 March 2018 21: 27
          +2
          Do not lie, move, and even associates unite? Then things have to go! And if all together, then no one will have to wait!
          Power is not in the personality, but IN TOGETHER TOGETHER!
  18. K-50
    K-50 13 March 2018 19: 35
    +3
    Ukrainian Naftogaz: Gazprom will raise the price for it if it builds the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

    For castle-headed maydauns, apparently, revelations that price is a consensus, a product of mutual desires and opportunities. No one at the expense of himself will neither sell nor buy.
    But this campaign is for them "higher mathematics" and for the Sumerian archaeological brain a thing is not comprehensible.
    Maybe because the brain is sour? what
  19. gridasov
    gridasov 13 March 2018 19: 41
    +9
    It’s interesting how anyone would act if they were a monopolist in the market. Norwegians are redirecting their profits to alternative energy. The bubble of American promise to provide Europe with gas was not just a bluff, but it showed Russia that it has no competitors. Therefore, Russia has every right to set its price. True, this will not be long as the high gas price will stimulate Europe to search for new sources of energy, which means that this process can go into a breakthrough. You should always remember that a crisis is not only bad, but it is also an incentive to find a way out of a difficult situation.
  20. rocket757
    rocket757 13 March 2018 19: 43
    +3
    The process has begun! There’s nothing more to talk about ... however, debtors need to be shaken to the fullest, pretending not to be fools!
  21. Troll
    Troll 13 March 2018 19: 47
    +3
    The bazaar is big. Go look for cheaper ..

    PySy: these statements are about nothing. Tomorrow the Americans will miss rockets, Russia will answer on carriers and the day after tomorrow the whole world will go to ruin ... And nobody will need gas
  22. Strashila
    Strashila 13 March 2018 20: 11
    +2
    Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds an SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe ... he can do it now, who is stopping him ... only this makes no sense, purchasing power will drop. .. the share of liquefied gas will begin to grow, given the construction and launch of these enterprises in Russia, their profitability will grow ... there will be a certain balance between pipe and liquefied gas. Only the pipe has the main advantage ... the rate of change in the volume of deliveries, we must add ... we must reduce it regardless of weather conditions, and the liquefied time of delivery and dependence on the weather ... like in America the weather is not the same and you have to wait for its improvement clacking teeth against frost. As in any industry, there are economic indicators ... less is impossible and more is contraindicated. The USSR, in spite of all the contradictions and disagreements, did not use the gas pipe as blackmail ... and Russia, in spite of all the quacks of the West, does not.
  23. Strashila
    Strashila 13 March 2018 20: 26
    0
    It's just that Naftogaz is actually a terrorist in this situation, trying to take Europe as a gas hostage ... and that one developed the Stockholm syndrome ... Russia is to blame, not the terrorists ... whom you see offended ... were not allowed to steal.
  24. senima56
    senima56 13 March 2018 20: 28
    +1
    I don’t think that Gazprom will push up the prices .. ", but that’s what Ukraine will have to be even tighter, that's for sure!
  25. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 March 2018 20: 31
    0
    Quote: Troll
    The bazaar is big. Go look for cheaper ..

    PySy: these statements are about nothing. Tomorrow the Americans will miss rockets, Russia will answer on carriers and the day after tomorrow the whole world will go to ruin ... And nobody will need gas

    You voiced the blue dream of dill, this is their essence.
  26. Guillon
    Guillon 13 March 2018 20: 32
    +2
    Yes, now you will have no other choice but to unfasten for our gas, as much as we say! wassat
  27. Piramidon
    Piramidon 13 March 2018 21: 36
    +1
    The galloping world twitched.
    1. Falcond
      Falcond 13 March 2018 22: 51
      0
      Who does not ride, he froze!
  28. naidas
    naidas 13 March 2018 22: 23
    0
    Quote: Andrey K
    Quote: Vadim237
    ... Not everything is as simple as it seems - with contracts ...

    And a little more complicated - so they don’t get ours too "wages", you can move your brains and work.


    And Ivan the Terrible did not pay his managers (governors), there was enough feeding alone, and these managers answered with their own heads.
  29. Falcond
    Falcond 13 March 2018 22: 50
    0
    - and we have gas in our country! And you???
    - and we have a gas pipeline ... here!
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 March 2018 23: 18
      +1
      Quote: FalconD
      and we have gas in our country

      In my country, I have it. At the expense of YOUR country - not in the know.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 March 2018 23: 18
      0
      And we have a gas pipeline for scrap - here.
  30. sleeve
    sleeve 14 March 2018 04: 33
    0
    AND? It is almost impossible to increase the share of supplies with such a general increase in consumption. As a pricing factor for other players who are accustomed to culturally rob their brother of the European-doubtlessness. And what will happen to the EU’s "gas safety"? And there will be no nicherta. They will increase the volume of underground gas storage facilities and create an energy buffer with a 2-to-3-month supply and forward. Such a reserve will allow not to collapse in a situation of sharp growth in gas, as well as no less sharply drop purchase volumes, equalizing the price due to the energy cushion. A period of five to six months is quite enough for switching to other suppliers with small losses, but Gazprom will go out. Moreover, the more we supply there, the more we will value contracts with SUCH buyers. The two trunks at each other’s temple is a normal, modern economic model where everyone is happy to work together and hold each other's eggs without any libido ...
  31. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 14 March 2018 05: 15
    +1
    Naftogaz: If Gazprom builds SP-2, it will boost gas prices for Europe
  32. Clumsy
    Clumsy 14 March 2018 13: 37
    0
    The Sumerians give a political coloring to all their nonsense))) or simply sign their inconsistency as a state
  33. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 March 2018 14: 39
    0
    But Ukrainians do not get the idea that SP-2 is being done because
    their rusty gas transportation system will soon get fucked ... will it break and we will leave Europe without gas?
    Moreover, Europe will not care. for what reason there is no gas
    she will immediately begin to fine us for violation of supply contracts.
    And so that all volumes under the contract would be delivered in full,
    we also need alternative ways of gas delivery.
    And this is the terminal in Sabetta and the Turkish Stream.
    That would be, when the path through Ukraine is covered,
    not get on the headstock for failure to fulfill contracts.
  34. Eli bogart
    Eli bogart 14 March 2018 17: 15
    0
    Well, screw it up. And what? As they say in the West, nothing personal, only business.
  35. begemot20091
    begemot20091 24 March 2018 12: 56
    0
    Quote: Korsar4
    Hydrocarbons. Weapons Corn. Round wood. Can one be proud of such an export structure?

    and the emirates?