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"Roskosmos" demanded the return of money for non-operating nanosatellites

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Roskosmos Corporation intends to return 290 million rubles paid for the manufacture of the first two Russian nanosatellites, which, having been in orbit since July 2017, have not contacted, report News.




The devices were created by the private company "NPP Dauria" on the order of "Roskosmos". Currently they are considered lost. In case of refusal to return the money paid under the contract, the state corporation will transfer the claim to the court.

In the conclusion of the state commission to investigate the emergency situation with the ICA-N, it is noted that the possible reason for the lack of communication with the satellites is the impact on the devices of "external factors". At the same time, it is indicated that “a note was made on the functioning of the engine of the support system for starting the“ Fregat ”upper stage”.

According to Sergey Ivanov, Director General of NPP Dauria LLC, if the funds requested by Roscosmos are recovered from the company, then it is threatened with bankruptcy. He considers the claims of the corporation unfounded.

After the launch of nanosatellites, we began to look for the causes of loss of communication with them. We checked all possible factors, both internal and external. Together with TsNIImash, they came to the conclusion that the reason for the refusal was not in the devices. We asked to verify our findings, conduct an independent investigation, but were refused,
told Ivanov.

“In addition to two ICA-N after the launch of 14 in July, 2017 of the year, 10 satellites of different manufacturers failed (just one X-ship of 73 spacecraft of various sizes was launched). Among them is the Russian spacecraft Mayak. Its manufacturers, with the assistance of other victims, conducted their own investigation and concluded that the failure could have been caused by the entry of combustion products from a light-thrust rocket engine. Such engines are installed on the Fregat upper stage, ”the newspaper writes.

According to the scientific director of the Institute of Space Policy, Ivan Moiseyev, in the current situation, Roscosmos should conduct a new investigation.

Always information about incidents was more secret than the latest technology. But the buyer of services needs to assess the risks, and the concealment of information is always interpreted not in favor of the contractor, in this case Roskosmos,
noted Moses.

He also believes that the new investigation "will increase confidence in the Russian space and will have a positive impact on attracting new contracts in this area."
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  1. Firework
    Firework 13 March 2018 09: 54
    +2
    maybe it’s worth how in the USA to create a private space corporation in parallel with the state concern? like spacex
    1. Falcond
      Falcond 13 March 2018 09: 57
      +18
      Maybe it’s worth it ... only in the USA it is extremely unprofitable and costly ... but in our realities it will generally be a scheme for cutting ...- money down the drain ... in space will dissolve!
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 13 March 2018 10: 04
        +8
        She is - a private company.
        The Russian private space company LLC NPP DAURIYA, part of the Dauria Aerospace international holding, is the first private space enterprise in Russia to develop and launch full-scale space systems.
        It’s impossible to fly into space alone. It’s expensive to start developing spacecraft. We have it at the state level. Most countries will not pull it. In the USA, it developed in parallel.
        And creating artificially is bankrupt.
        1. Falcond
          Falcond 13 March 2018 10: 11
          +2
          Which in fact are discs
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 13 March 2018 10: 15
          +1
          To assemble satellites using CubSat architecture - from ready-made components, this is one thing. Making a program, conducting development, costly and sometimes deadlock projects is a different level, even for the West

          For example, the American hope BE-4 - not only Bezos (the richest man in the world) is pulling, but also the mega-corporation ULA (space division of Boeing and Lockheed) has connected since 2014. However, this will give them a product that will defeat the Mask in space both on Vulcan (ULA rocket) and New Glenn (Bezos rocket).
          1. Firework
            Firework 13 March 2018 10: 20
            +3
            there are several space corporations in the USA and there is competition among them, which means that their potential is greater
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 March 2018 10: 59
            +2
            Bezos and the Mask still clash in the fight for the world’s Internet of new
            generations. Or share. That's where the money is! Musk began to launch (on trial) the first of
            thousands of "their" satellites of the "global Internet". And Bezos has the largest "cloud"
            storage of information (they invented the "clouds", by the way).
        3. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 13 March 2018 10: 17
          +2
          Quote: Crowe
          Russian private space company LLC NPP DAURIYA, part of the international holding Dauria Aerospace

          I don’t know how international it is - in the founders "citizen of Russia"
        4. vkfriendly
          vkfriendly 14 March 2018 15: 22
          0
          Spice X also flies with government money, all of Mask’s investments have not yet paid off, and if it had not been for the state support, he would have been bankrupt for a long time.
    2. Finches
      Finches 13 March 2018 10: 01
      +8
      Behind the word nano, Chubais stands in every way, but he won’t be able to take the dough, rather Roscosmos will give it and ask for forgiveness! laughing

      But to be serious, then all these are the very gray schemes of dabbling the budget - the notorious g ... flew into space! So there is a demand for those who did and those who accepted! And here, indeed, the situation can be corrected only in one way - by executions. No private business is working here. There is no third!
      1. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 13 March 2018 10: 08
        +14
        an incomplete article is given here, it is obvious that Roscosmos and his Frigate are to blame, since insurance has already been paid for this party over foreign satellites, that is, Roscosmos’s fault was recognized and he did not deny it, but they decided to try to fuck from their own
        1. slipped
          slipped 13 March 2018 11: 44
          +1
          Roscosmos does not pay insurance, it pays an insurance company in which the satellite is insured on the basis of the documents and contract. Satellites of Dauria should have been insured as well.
          1. dik-nsk
            dik-nsk 14 March 2018 05: 22
            0
            uh, what are you talking about now? it’s a no brainer that the insurance pays out upon the INSURANCE of an insured event, that is, it was insured that it was put into orbit, an insured event occurred - due to the fault of Roscosmos, the satellites were paid to foreigners .. Dauria's satellites were built on budget money at the request of Roscosmos, here they hid their guilt and try shift the blame on Dauria and collect .. anestend? delve into the essence, and then comment, so as not to look dull hi
            1. Zveruga
              Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 04
              0
              Excuse me, but does Roskosmos decide to pay insurance? It is not at all his will to admit his mistakes and tell the insurance company what to do, since the money belongs to the insurance company and not to Roskosmos. That is, the insurance company itself decides who to pay, who not to pay, and why.

              In this case, I see that the insurance company protects the interests of foreign companies, but does not protect the interests of Dauria. This means that the insurance company uses double standards and infringes on some of its customers compared to others. This is not a fair situation. It seems that the insurance company is afraid of a conflict with foreign companies because of the fear of losing the foreign market, and they do not give a damn about the Russian market.

              I believe that such an "insurance company" should be driven from the Russian market.
              1. dik-nsk
                dik-nsk 14 March 2018 10: 08
                0
                you read the article, Roscosmos did not give Dauria the facts of its guilt, namely, the fuel left Frigate, and claimed that Dauria made bad satellites .. I didn’t contact foreigners and recognized the insurance case .. I wrote above - the article is not complete, in Google banned?))
                1. Zveruga
                  Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 24
                  0
                  Roscosmos did not give such facts to other companies that, as follows from the article, "conducted an independent investigation."

                  That is, foreign customers conducted an independent investigation, made conclusions, provided them to the insurance company and received money from it. Dauria did not conduct such an independent investigation.

                  A claim from Roskosmos to Dauria for damages is a completely different story that is not relevant to the topic.
                  1. dik-nsk
                    dik-nsk 14 March 2018 10: 29
                    0
                    Yeah, they infu from space Martians leaked))
                    1. Zveruga
                      Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 35
                      0
                      And the insurance company believed in her. Think about it.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 13 March 2018 10: 06
      +7
      It is in production? So, domestic Bezos and Masks prefer to buy football clubs and castles.


      If in commerce - that is, S7. But they just sell seats on someone else’s rocket and provide launch services.
    4. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 13 March 2018 10: 15
      +3
      Quote: Salute
      like spacex

      Do you know how many Masks from the state it receives?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 13 March 2018 10: 45
        +1
        This is open information, and he gets fewer competitors for the same work.
        The $ 1,6 billion contract with SpaceX was for 12 missions of the Dragon spaceship launched into orbit by the Falcon 9 rocket. The $ 1,9 billion contract with Orbital Sciences Corporation was designed for 8 missions the ship Cygnus, which will launch the Antares launch vehicle [5].

        Despite the fact that Signus on Antares carries up to 2,5 tons, and the Dragon on Falcon, 3,3 tons and can return 2,5 tons to Earth, and Signus only burn
        1. Zveruga
          Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 10
          0
          Quote: BlackMokona
          This is public information.

          This is classified information. All shareholders of SpaceX are unknown. The percentage of capitalization for shareholders is unknown. This company Limited (Ltd - LLC in our opinion). The only information that is known is that 50% of SpaceX's revenue comes from government orders. In addition, NASA provides the Mask with launch sites for which nothing is known, but since the founders of SpaceX have the US government, it should be assumed that the launches cost the Mask for free.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 13 March 2018 10: 40
      +1
      Heh. Hucksters were entrusted to make satellites. Really in their nano Chubais also fussed? winked
      1. Zveruga
        Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 17
        0
        Owners of the Dauria company conduct a blog on Habré. They themselves and their fans are people who themselves do not like Chubais and Rusnano. Therefore, I advise you to decide which of you is more right and cooler in this liberal clowning, you or Dauria fans. We can arrange a competitive contest for throwing a slipper at Chubais for you; whoever gets in is right.
    6. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 March 2018 17: 28
      0
      will you pay for this project?
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 13 March 2018 10: 06
    +8
    Interestingly, have similar satellites of the same company already been launched by Roskosmos? Anyway, they bought a satellite, which means it passed the tests and was found to be suitable - after all, they didn’t buy a pig in a poke .. Although this is of course a court case based on mutual evidence of innocence, but to give money amiably and prejudicially means to voluntarily admit guilt and bury your reputation ... Therefore, it is necessary to prepare for court and collect evidence and arguments - this is uncontested ..
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 March 2018 10: 11
      +1
      http://dauria.ru/on-orbit/dx1-sat

      Here are some in-orbit devices.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 13 March 2018 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        http://dauria.ru/on-orbit/dx1-sat

        Here are some in-orbit devices.

        Moreover, if the performance of the product is confirmed by the operation and the manufacturer is confident in it, then it is necessary to sue until the last - otherwise you can minimize the business ...
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 13 March 2018 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Here are some in-orbit devices.

        and after 2015 what? or just 3 launched?
    2. assa67
      assa67 13 March 2018 10: 27
      +2
      Victor hi ... what kind of space company is this, which, due to the payment of 290 million, I note that rubles are in danger of bankruptcy?
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      According to Sergey Ivanov, Director General of NPP Dauria LLC, if the funds requested by Roscosmos are recovered from the company, then it is threatened with bankruptcy. He considers the claims of the corporation unfounded.

      In what hangar does this "Dauria" work?
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 13 March 2018 10: 33
        +3
        Here the question is not the sum, here the reputation is at stake. I agree that 300 million in those areas is money, although tangible, but this is a matter of principle for further business No. ... Good morning, Andrey hi
        1. assa67
          assa67 13 March 2018 10: 41
          +2
          reputation = this is important, of course ... but it bothers me anyway ... what kind of small space business it is ... you need to go in to see the site of this almshouse
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 March 2018 10: 16
    +1
    I agree with the above. Just hear the word with the prefix "nano" for some reason, negative emotions immediately arise.
    never got in touch
    And the investigation in this case was carried out or immediately found the extreme?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 March 2018 10: 21
      +3
      Why? This is a leading trend in the world. In fact, the current generation of CubSat is already quite functional for itself, and not only can they solve problems at the university level, but also economically / scientifically.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 13 March 2018 10: 24
        +1
        In the world, this is a leading trend.
        If in the same Europe this was done by the home-grown Chubais, then you would react to the “nano" in a peculiar way.
  4. Altona
    Altona 13 March 2018 10: 25
    +1
    Quote: Salute
    there are several space corporations in the USA and there is competition among them, which means that their potential is greater

    ---------------------------------
    We are also forced to compete with them. Therefore, it makes no sense to create a competitive environment also within the country. It will be a waste of resources anyway.
  5. Altona
    Altona 13 March 2018 10: 28
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    It is in production? So, domestic Bezos and Masks prefer to buy football clubs and castles.

    ---------------------------------------
    As Mr. Petrov says, “they have entrepreneurial talent, they are the elite, they must be protected,” forgetting the old truth that talents must be supported, and mediocrity breaks itself. laughing laughing
  6. Galleon
    Galleon 13 March 2018 11: 11
    0
    Nanosatellites came to nanosvyaz. If Roskosmos does not have nanoreceivers for nanocommunications, this is its problem. That he is uncultured to molest good people?
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 13 March 2018 11: 12
    0
    Demanding a refund is somehow cruel. Shoot - just right
  8. slipped
    slipped 13 March 2018 11: 49
    0
    Quote: Galleon
    Nanosatellites came to nanosvyaz. If Roskosmos does not have nanoreceivers for nanocommunications, this is its problem. That he is uncultured to molest good people?

    Suggest "understand and forgive"? The article shows only the tip of the iceberg.
  9. Urantian
    Urantian 13 March 2018 12: 05
    +1
    Nanosatellites ..., nanoChubais .... where this reptile is, there is complete collapse and wrecking ...
  10. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 13 March 2018 12: 44
    0
    I don’t know why, but the rotation around Roscosmos of objects with the surname Moiseev and the name Dauria is alarming ...
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 March 2018 13: 46
    +1
    Well, here it’s really necessary to decide and clearly find out the reason
    why satellites turned into garbage.
    For if there is an unresolved problem, then there will be a constant problem with satellites.
  12. Palagecha
    Palagecha 13 March 2018 14: 52
    +1
    And did these satellites consecrate?
  13. Guillon
    Guillon 13 March 2018 18: 23
    0
    This proves once again that space must be state! hi
  14. Antokha
    Antokha 13 March 2018 21: 05
    0
    It seems to me that this Moses was already revealed as a proxy, who has nothing to do with outer space. And no, after all, they continue to cite his "expert" opinion.
  15. Dukat22
    Dukat22 13 March 2018 22: 18
    +1
    So all the satellites burned, this is clear to the beaver if the problems were with Frigate. The same can not be so that no one earns money. Roskosmos has improved and is now looking for lost money, or avert suspicion from itself without spoiling its reputation.
    1. Zveruga
      Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 36
      0
      All? Official information says that only 10 out of 73.
  16. gorenina91
    gorenina91 14 March 2018 06: 46
    0
    -Well, it’s easier for Chubais to launch with another rocket into space ... -on there all the “nano” satellites will be adjusted and ...
    1. Zveruga
      Zveruga 14 March 2018 10: 39
      0
      When Dauria’s company made its satellites and posted information about it in the form of a blog on Habré, their fans shouted menacingly and waved their fists at Chubais, claiming that our private space would show Rosnano’s mother Kuz'kin and take them to clean water. Therefore, you must first convince fans of Dauria from Habr that they are supporters of Chubais.
  17. Bypassed
    Bypassed 14 March 2018 13: 22
    +1
    According to the scientific director of the Institute of Space Policy, Ivan Moiseyev, in the current situation, Roscosmos should conduct a new investigation.

    The most effective investigation is to fly after them into orbit (if they are still there), bring and do an analysis. Current who will pay?
  18. slipped
    slipped 15 March 2018 19: 08
    0
    Well, here's the reason:

    “The separation of spacecraft MKA-N No. 1 and No. 2 and a number of other satellites (including Corvus-BC) in accordance with the sequence diagram took place in the period of time (9180-9590 s) until the DT7 engine malfunction was detected (11440 s). With the declared Dauria "Aerospace separation speed MKA-N, the distance to the Frigate upper stage during this time was more than 1,5 km"