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The ruble strengthened. What's next?

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The ruble strengthened. What's next? Let's try to make a brief forecast for the ruble in particular and for the economic situation as a whole.




The monetization ratio of our economy (M2 / GDP) is 47%. It shows how the gross product is provided with money.

Meanwhile, in all OECD countries and other developed countries, the monetization ratio is higher than 100%. For comparison: in the leading countries of Europe, it is of the order of 150-170%, in China - about 200%, and there the economy and the standard of living have been growing at an impressive pace over the years.

It is well known from world economic practice that no country in the world has ever made an economic breakthrough with the coefficient of monetization of GDP below 100%.

KME in Russia is kept at the level of 47%, probably and mainly so that our economy does not develop. Adverse effects: low inflation and stability, no fuss. However, this is temporary. The policy of containment of money supply and inflation in our stories always led to a landslide devaluation of the ruble and crises.

What's next? The President said that we will break. You can jerk in two ways.

1. Without changing the liberal economic paradigm. That is, within the framework of the rule: an increase in the money supply must occur due to the issue of the ruble under a certain amount of earned dollars. The amount of dollars cannot be increased dramatically if the reserves are not used in the required proportions. But this is unlikely, it is a paradigm shift. And the money supply for development is needed. This means another significant devaluation. The most likely dates are summer and autumn of this year. Recall in this regard, two crisis anniversaries: August 1998, and August 2008.

2. By changing the liberal paradigm to the development paradigm and embarking on real reforms that are impossible without an increase in CEM, we will achieve a noticeable (though not necessarily drastic) inflation in the first few years of development. This will contribute to the reduction of the key rate, which is necessary to reduce the cost of credit money. In the future, inflation will decline due to a quantitative increase in manufactured goods.

Just do nothing will not work, it will still happen: 1 or 2.

The presidential address to the Federal Assembly makes more clear the prospects for the ruble and the economy as a whole. It follows from it that we will go the way of 1, without changing the political and economic system, but increasing the budgeting of certain important areas.

At the same time, we assume that the dollar will remain relatively stable, and we do not consider force majeure scenarios, although they are possible.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 15 March 2018 05: 22
    +17
    Roughly speaking ... As in a joke about a gypsy and a horse .... I’m just used to not eating ... And she took and died ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 March 2018 06: 10
      +13
      The president said that we will tear
      once said, means "tear" ...
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 15 March 2018 06: 33
      +16
      Yeah. The wind is blowing because the trees are swinging. Not the ruble strengthened, but the price of oil stabilized. winked
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 07: 29
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        Not the ruble strengthened, but the price of oil stabilized

        Did she want to do it herself, or did something help her?
        Question not rhetoricalsince they said "a" - negotiate yes
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 09: 05
          +13
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Did she want to do it herself, or did something help her?

          Has GDP really affected? belay
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 09: 50
            +8
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Did she want to do it herself, or did something help her?

            Has GDP really affected? belay

            Well, what are you ... GDP, he does nothing, right? Sterkhov drives, catches amphora ...
            And on the way - he accepts all kinds of kings in Moscow ... and OPEC for some reason reduces production ...
            Igor, don’t meddle ... you do not understand ...
            To understand is to explain (c). You, the campaign, have already explained everything to yourself.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 10: 03
              +33
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              GDP, he doesn’t do anything, right?

              You can do anything, and catch butterflies, and build a house. Putin is absolutely not involved in the Russian economy, concentrating all his efforts on the foreign policy arena.
              Revenues from the sale of resources should not be consumed, but invested in the development of the country's economy, in the construction of new factories and plants. The financial policy of the state should ensure the development and prosperity of the people, and not its degradation. The Chinese example of the development of the country is not an example for our government; it benefits the path leading nowhere. if only the dough on the road could be cut down.
              I live with my wife and two children in a one-room apartment, and there is no chance of expanding with a salary of 25 tyrov. From the word AT ALL. Just don’t need to talk about a recumbent stone - in Tolyatti it’s not possible to find work with a salary above, but those who left for permanent residence in other regions are slowly returning, it’s not better there. The zone of rapid development is frozen, people from AvtoVAZ continue to reduce. So no need for a happy and promising life in Russia. Tales of a happy tomorrow on “our” media are like carrots for donkeys, but we are not donkeys. negative
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 10: 14
                +6
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Putin is absolutely not involved in the Russian economy, concentrating all his efforts on the foreign policy arena

                This is what the Kotonosovs told you ... and you believed laughing
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                A Chinese example of a country's development ...

                China (partly) is lucky, this is first.
                China is full of people who do not have a pension. Generally. This is the second.
                In China, it is very difficult with the environment. This is the third.
                In China, a lot of problems that you have never even heard of.
                But you need to be "beautiful."
                So do it! How? Yes, as you want ... this, you see, only your problem yes
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 10: 50
                  +16
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  China (partly) is lucky, this is first.
                  I guess the reasons for our bad luck.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  China is full of people who do not have a pension

                  You might think we have it! laughing But in China, a mortgage in China is a freebie.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  In China, it is very difficult with the environment. This is the third.

                  And we have? belay
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  In China, a lot of problems that you have never even heard of.

                  There are also a lot of problems that the Chinese have never heard of. laughing
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  But you need to be "beautiful."
                  So do it! How? Yes, as you want ... this, you see, is only your problem

                  I do not understand - what is the ending about? Usually at the end they make a final conclusion, and you ..... eh. I don’t even know how to put it! bully
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 11: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: Golovan Jack

                    China (in part) is lucky, this is firstly

                    I guess the reasons for our bad luck

                    No, you have no idea.
                    In China (it was, and still remains, by and large) cheap and unpretentious rabsila + sea of ​​other snacks.
                    Therefore, many different, ahem, production facilities "moved" to China.
                    As a result, China, yes, raped the development of industry, but also had a number of problems.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    China is full of people who do not have a pension
                    You might think we have it!

                    It's about "not at all." Your reaction, by the way, is very revealing. You are offended by everything and everyone.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    In China, it is very difficult with the environment. This is the third
                    And we have?

                    Everything is relative.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I do not understand - what is the ending about?

                    The fact that no one (including Putin) is required to solve your problems for you yes
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 11: 20
                      +15
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      In China (it was, and remains, by and large) cheap and unpretentious rabsila + sea of ​​other snacks.
                      The average salary in China is 750 dollars, in Russia 620 dollars. Of course, I understand that averaging s / n is like averaging temperature over a hospital, but the gap between the rich and the poor in China is lower. So do not need about cheap labor. Products and consumer goods in China are cheaper, this is the same indicator.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Your reaction, by the way, is very revealing. You are offended by everything and everyone.

                      Have you tried to live on 10000 rubles per month? My mom lives. Is it good?
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The fact that no one (including Putin) is required to solve your problems for you
                      But what about the constitution? The state should take care of its citizens, read the most important document of our state. hi
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 11: 48
                        +8
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The average salary in China is $ 750 ...

                        This is the "average" for
                        ... Chinese employed in the private sector in cities and urban-type settlements


                        About the countryside statistics ... bashfully silent.
                        I see further discussion as useless due to initially incorrect input request
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The state must take care of its citizens ...

                        And it takes care of you: there is water in the faucet, heat in the batteries, buns grow in stores, and the border is locked. Etc.
                        At the same time, you do not change the diaper and do not wipe the nose?
                        Duc ... are not obliged because request
                      2. Rey_ka
                        Rey_ka 21 March 2018 08: 33
                        0
                        What does it mean to take care? Caring (for Dahl) is a warm concern! where it says that everything should be done by the state for you?
                    2. Sergey Perfiliev
                      Sergey Perfiliev 16 March 2018 06: 48
                      +1
                      only this rabsila began to receive more than the Russian.
                    3. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 16 March 2018 17: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      In China (it was, and still remains, by and large) cheap and unpretentious rabsila + sea of ​​other snacks.


                      rabsila in China does not earn badly, just like the working people of Russia
                    4. Bad_santa
                      Bad_santa 17 March 2018 19: 13
                      +1
                      It's funny to read when they write about cheap Chinese labor. Take a look at Chinese car factories as an example. There are almost no people visible. Everything is automatic. So the point here is not the number of Chinese and their salaries (in some sectors it is even much higher than the Russian one), but in the conditions for production. Therefore, our brains are powdered when the conditions for doing business in China and in Russia are hushed up. But thanks to what conditions in China it is profitable to produce than in Russia they will never tell us from TV screens
                2. Semen1972
                  Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  In China, a lot of problems that you have never even heard of.

                  Going on vacation outside the country? Have you noticed how many tourists from this country? And what money do they travel with if everything is bad there?
                3. Berber
                  Berber 15 March 2018 14: 10
                  0
                  Everything is correct. Why cram the economy with money if everything goes offshore through “leaky banks”. Everyone scolds Nabiulina, and the reorganization of the banking system is simply necessary to patch up these holes through which capital flows to the west.
                4. serge siberian
                  serge siberian 15 March 2018 14: 49
                  +7
                  In China, the average salary is 800 "green", and in Novosibirsk 32000re (just over 500 "green"). Catch the difference. The third city in the country in terms of population after Moscow and St. Petersburg.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 17: 34
                    +4
                    Quote: serzh sibiryak
                    In China, the average salary of 800 "green"

                    There is no "average of 800 greens" in China.
                    Quote: serzh sibiryak
                    Catch the difference

                    You need - you catch laughing
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 51
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I live with my wife and two children in a one-room apartment, and there is no chance of expanding with a salary of 25 tyrov.

                harshly
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                people from AvtoVAZ continue to reduce.

                But how is AvtoVAZ the Car Sales Leader?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 11: 21
                  +7
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  But how is AvtoVAZ the Car Sales Leader?

                  Renova screwdriver. request
              3. Semen1972
                Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 44
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Revenues from the sale of resources should not be consumed, but invested in the development of the country's economy, in the construction of new factories and plants.

                The simple construction of factories will not solve anything. It is necessary to occupy its niche in the global economy. If we build 10 factories for the production of shoes, it does not mean that the whole world will buy them. Therefore, there should be advantages, either price, as in China, or technology, as in the USA and Europe, or uniqueness, like baths for example .. something special. For example, planes .. but can we make it unique? Or electronics .. But just factories and making useless goods to anyone, and even more expensive ... Suggest, where can I go?
                1. seos
                  seos 15 March 2018 15: 00
                  +6
                  In general, there are no problems ...
                  1) Factories for the production of building materials - most of the building materials in Russia are imported
                  2) The development of the energy sector - power plants - with them in Russia is a complete ass, there are many of them, but they are all in private hands, they will not be serviced and they will not work for a long time .... Private owners are not profitable to repair and invest their money in modernization because if the power plant breaks down - the state will allocate funds from its budget for its repair (this happens, there are many examples)
                  3) There are institutes involved in the planning and economic feasibility of building this or that enterprise ... but since we do not have the whole economy in private hands, this information is unnecessary because watch workers will not be able to build factories in Russia because of the unstable economic and political system and criminal environment.
                  1. Semen1972
                    Semen1972 15 March 2018 16: 19
                    0
                    Quote: seos
                    The development of the energy sector - power plants - with them in Russia is a complete ass, there are many of them, but they are all in private hands, they are not being serviced and they will not work for a long time ...

                    Not so. Engaged in the supply of equipment for such facilities. The construction of Talakhovskaya and Mayakovskaya in the Kaliningrad region has recently been completed, Primorskaya is under construction there .. And we are not talking about any private hands. This is RAO UES. But that’s not the point .. you name the budget expenditures .. and what kind of income will be .. or let’s change the pension when building 100 new power plants. And from what expense item is this redistributed? Medicine? Infrastructure or education?
                    1. seos
                      seos 15 March 2018 17: 34
                      +4
                      In the Far East, the end of the world is not far off .... all TPPs are working their best ... the equipment is completely worn out, boilers and pipes rotted ... coal slurry is used instead of coal ... that accelerates the destruction of equipment, TPP maintenance is not cannibalism is practiced as a repair, but soon there will be nothing to disassemble. Moreover, the country's energy system is heterogeneous, and the Far East has its own closed energy system. in the event of a breakdown, it will be impossible to redirect energy from the west.
                      Income business opportunity ... when e-mail disappears the energy will all rise ...
                      Want income ... gasify Primorsky Krai, build mining and resource processing enterprises. You can always calculate the liquidity of an enterprise and the feasibility of its construction ...
                2. APASUS
                  APASUS 15 March 2018 20: 03
                  +3
                  Quote: Semen1972
                  The simple construction of factories will not solve anything.

                  It also decides how it decides. 300 km from Moscow or St. Petersburg and there is no work at all, people in the outback have no work, and families need to be fed. Writing about 300 km from Chita or Tomsk does not make sense at all
                  Quote: Semen1972
                  It is necessary to occupy its niche in the global economy.

                  This topic only works with export, but we already have everything for sale, and there is no happiness for the majority of the population. Poverty among the working population - remember this statement by Olga Golodets? Employment of the population, provision of a set of social services I do not see in your honor.
                  Quote: Semen1972
                  And just factories and make useless goods to anyone, and even more expensive ...

                  And not just to build factories, after the collapse of the USSR, we don’t have our own electronics, turbine engineering, but I’ll write a page that we don’t produce.
              4. Shurale
                Shurale 15 March 2018 14: 01
                0
                And can you, as a native of the city of Tolyatti, truthfully state the number of people reduced from a vase to the whole site? I know the approximate figure, but I want to check ...
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 14: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Shurale
                  And can you, as a native of the city of Tolyatti, truthfully state the number of people reduced from a vase to the whole site?

                  There is no exact figure. Last year, 3000 people were fired. But I know how many people worked in the 90th (about 120000 people), and how many now (about 30000 people) And they continue to fire. Statistics officially reduced are much lower than their actual number. For people are forced to quit on their own, taking small compensation. Otherwise they threaten to dismiss by inconsistency.
                  Quote: Shurale
                  as a native of the city of Tolyatt

                  I want to clarify - I live in Avtozavodsky district, where most people used to work at VAZ.
                  1. Semen1972
                    Semen1972 15 March 2018 16: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I want to clarify - I live in Avtozavodsky district, where most people used to work at VAZ.

                    Please tell me why the Korean Kia and Hyundai are better, prettier and sold around the world. Is it true that our designers and workers have their hands growing from the priests?
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 16: 29
                      +3
                      Quote: Semen1972
                      why Korean Kia and Hyundai are better, cuter and sold around the world.

                      The price of grants and viburnum with Solaris and Rio comparable? wink
                      1. Semen1972
                        Semen1972 15 March 2018 16: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The price of grants and viburnum with Solaris and Rio comparable?

                        Grant and Kalina more expensive? Cheaper! So they should take more, do not they?
        2. NordOst16
          NordOst16 15 March 2018 16: 34
          +1
          Increased demand and reduced production. We can somehow influence the second, but not the first
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 15 March 2018 17: 09
            0
            Quote: NordOst16
            Increased demand and reduced production.

            When reducing offers from us, others take the place. Market..
      2. Alber
        Alber 15 March 2018 17: 58
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Yeah. The wind is blowing because the trees are swinging. Not the ruble strengthened, but the price of oil stabilized. winked

        Probably a joke about the strengthening of the ruble ahead of the presidential election ...
        what is the strengthening of the slaughtered industry? I do not take into account Maskva, Peter, Kaluga, Tatarstan. There, of course, everything is chocolate
  2. Ren
    Ren 15 March 2018 05: 38
    0
    What was it? I don’t understand ... recourse
    And if in simple words?
    1. Vard
      Vard 15 March 2018 05: 41
      +6
      If in simple words ... Money pressure as a person’s arterial pressure .... If you have a small one ... Then you can hardly crawl ...
      1. Ren
        Ren 15 March 2018 05: 55
        +1
        Quote: Vard
        If in simple words ... Money pressure as a person’s arterial pressure .... If you have a small one ... Then you can hardly crawl ...

        So what is the article about?
        According to http://www.cbr.ru/statistics/?PrtId=ms, the money supply (cash) as of 02.01.2018 is 8 163,6 billion rubles, GDP in 2017 is 88 177 billion rubles.
        China money supply (cash) - 8 659,86 billion yuan, GDP - 82 720 billion yuan.
        Data indicate otherwise.
        Non-cash funds - credit (virtual) money that cannot be cashed, they are needed for "barter" transactions with financial measures at the enterprise level.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 15 March 2018 07: 50
          +5
          Quote: Ren
          So what is the article about?
          According to http://www.cbr.ru/statistics/?PrtId=ms, the money supply (cash) as of 02.01.2018 is 8 163,6 billion rubles, GDP in 2017 is 88 177 billion rubles.
          China money supply (cash) - 8 659,86 billion yuan, GDP - 82 720 billion yuan.
          Data indicate otherwise.
          Non-cash funds - credit (virtual) money that cannot be cashed, they are needed for "barter" transactions with financial measures at the enterprise level.

          Yes, nothing. Another repetition of Keynes's theory http://www.catback.ru/articles/theory/echist/kein
          s.htm
          "The idea of ​​the inappropriateness of excessive thrift and hoarding and, conversely, the possible benefits of the all-out spending of funds is clearly traced in his teaching, since, as the scientist believed, in the first case, the funds will most likely acquire an ineffective liquid (money) form, and in the second - they can be aimed at increasing demand and employment. "

          However, we have already tried so many times to put on an economic noose by imposing Western loans, that there are great doubts about the advisability of this path for Russia.

          A curious picture from the article "Monetization of the Russian economy in comparison with other countries" http://popecon.ru/191-monetizacija-ekonomiki-ross
          ii-v-sravnenii-s-drugimi-stranami.html

          It is clearly seen that the level of GDP per capita (an indicator of the economic well-being of society) is in no way connected with monetization. According to the schedule, the level of monetization in China, for example, is four times higher than monetization in Russia, and the level of GDP per capita is several times lower than in Russia. The graph also shows that countries are highly monetized. already entangled in debt, like in silk laughing
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 15 March 2018 05: 56
        +25
        In simple words, our liberal leadership, since the time of Yeltsin, puts emphasis in the economy on finance, not production. With the idea to keep inflation running around, as with a written bag, but it is still not small!
        Leftists and communists offer a different perspective. The main thing in the economy should be production, not finance and banks. And money should not be printed for the influx of dollars, but for production needs. Then inflation will not be scary, and monetization will increase!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 07: 32
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          In simple words ...

          ... to the agitators already about nothing to agitate. Therefore, for example, Stas157
          Quote: Stas157
          ... it is worn, as with a written bag ...

          ... around every fan blow.
          PS: the "article" is just such a sketch, minus ... FAT laughing
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 09: 16
            +12
            Kitty, and you again about anything, but not the case. There is something to be said about -
            Quote: Stas157
            The main thing in the economy should be production, not finance and banks. And money should not be printed for the influx of dollars, but for production needs.
            , or will you continue to carry nonsense that is not related to the essence of the opponent’s comment? laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 09: 42
              +7
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              There is something to be said about -
              Quote: Stas157
              The main thing in the economy should be production, not finance and banks. And money needs to be printed not for the influx of dollars, but for production needs

              Yes, and it has already been said many times. If you have not noticed, then ... very in vain:
              Everything Stas said is stupidity from Kotonosov. That is, it seems like the words are formally correct, but they (Stas. And Kotonosov, too) cannot ... arrange them yes
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 09: 46
                +14
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                don't know how to arrange

                Kisa, did you teach math at school? From the change of terms (words), the result (meaning) does not change. wink Unless of course you will argue that financial speculation is more important than production. laughing
                Nabiulivshchina is your everything! good
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 10: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Kisa, did you teach math at school? ... Nabiulivism is yours!

                  Quote: Stas157
                  as always, Golovan - nothing on the topic, banal hatred, and the transition to the individual

                  Instead of "Golovan" should read Ingvar 72.
                  Everything else is right yes
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 10: 09
                    +9
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Instead of "Golovan" one should read Ingvar 72.

                    All the same, you have a railwayman, still translate the arrows. laughing Smirnov needs to be offered a “ratsuh” - add an orange jacket to the shoulder straps of the switchmen! wink
                2. Cube123
                  Cube123 15 March 2018 10: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  don't know how to arrange

                  Kisa, did you teach math at school? From the change of terms (words), the result (meaning) does not change. wink Unless of course you will argue that financial speculation is more important than production. laughing
                  Nabiulivshchina is your everything! good

                  Igor, they’re talking about something else. Production for the sake of production itself is a meaningless waste of valuable resources. If you cannot find a buyer for the products of your labor, then the labor itself was meaningless. And this means not only creating the right one, but also ensuring the cost price is lower than that of competitors. But this is a serious problem in Russia. Too harsh climate and high costs of maintaining the life of the population. Therefore, not everything makes sense to produce domestically. Strategic products are no doubt necessary. And you can buy fast-aging cheap consumer goods.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 10: 35
                    +13
                    Quote: Cube123
                    Production for the sake of production itself is a meaningless waste of valuable resources

                    Our country has a huge sales market, which at the moment is 90% owned by China, which is increasing production from year to year. I agree that if China is deprived of sales markets, it will immediately become bankrupt. But we, unlike China, do not yet provide ourselves with everyday goods, so that overproduction does not threaten us, at least in the foreseeable future.
                    Quote: Cube123
                    But this is a serious problem in Russia. Too harsh climate and high costs of maintaining the life of the population.
                    It is always cheaper to just gulp with a woman than to marry her and support her whole life. wink It’s just that “gulnut” has a profit, but there is no future. hi
                    1. Cube123
                      Cube123 15 March 2018 10: 45
                      +2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Our country has a huge sales market, which at the moment is 90% owned by China, which is increasing production from year to year.

                      And you try to organize production, which will produce goods cheaper than in China.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      It is always cheaper to just gulp with a woman than to marry her and support her whole life. It’s just that “gulnut” has a profit, but there is no future.

                      Modern production is also a consideration of the scale of sales. It makes no sense to produce a mass of modern high-tech goods if you do not provide sales markets for them, at least for parties of hundreds of millions of copies.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 10: 58
                        +6
                        Quote: Cube123
                        You will not provide markets for them, at least for parties of hundreds of millions of copies.

                        And here there should be state regulation, in the sense of ensuring sales markets. Trump won’t be shy about the Allies' excise taxes on aluminum to introduce. request
                  2. Stas157
                    Stas157 15 March 2018 10: 56
                    +14
                    Quote: Cube123
                    Production for the sake of production itself is a meaningless translation into the empty

                    And what import substitution has already ended? Do you need to replace and produce anything else? Can I rest on our laurels? Do not make me laugh! If there is nothing to invest in, why are we waiting for investments from abroad?
                    Quote: Cube123
                    And this means not only creating the right one, but also ensuring the cost price is lower than that of competitors. But this is a serious problem in Russia.

                    Having a talented people, the richest resources in the world, the cheapest electricity at cost ... Russia is not competitive at the same time ?? This can only be achieved by sabotage!
                    Example! Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station, which does not know where to put energy! Sells to China for a penny ... But, its consumers are breaking prices much more expensive !!! Deripaska cries all the time about this; he cannot compete with China on aluminum with such an unequal electricity price. This is a vivid example of Putin’s management. Its more expensive - another's cheaper! Where does competitiveness come from?
                    1. seos
                      seos 15 March 2018 15: 06
                      +6
                      The Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station is in private hands .... half a year before the accident in which people died, workers lifted a bead and wrote scribbles, that everything goes to the accident, the government scored them ... and as a result, the accident and death ..
                      Energy should be under the full control of the state ... private business is evil - especially for energy ..
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 15 March 2018 09: 21
            +13
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Therefore, for example, Stas157

            ... it is worn, as with a written bag ...

            ... around every fan blow.

            And Golovan is around Stas! You perfectly complement this figure.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            "article" is just such a sketch, minus ... FAT

            If the article is a draft (it matters that you think so for yourself), then what are you doing among the draft? Do you like digging in shit? Obviously, yes!
            And again, as always, Golovan - nothing on the topic, banal hatred, and the transition to the individual.
        2. Vlad Petrov
          Vlad Petrov 15 March 2018 11: 17
          +2
          The market determines production. There is no market, no plant, collective farm, etc. are needed. Banks are not an integral part of production, money is the blood of production. To conquer the market, the product must be competitive, which makes high-tech production. Not raw materials, but processed products should be state policy not crude oil but gasoline, not round timber but lumber furniture, etc. A concrete development program for any region would be the best agitation of the left communists.
        3. Semen1972
          Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 47
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          The main thing in the economy should be production, not finance and banks

          Specify, what exactly do we need to increase production and where to sell it and why the world will buy ours, and not Chinese?
          1. seos
            seos 15 March 2018 15: 10
            +3
            aircraft construction, shipbuilding, machine tool building, construction materials, weapons and ammunition (we lose markets because we have forgotten how to create weapons by the criterion of price quality, China is tearing this niche out of us)
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 15 March 2018 15: 39
              +2
              Quote: seos
              aircraft, shipbuilding, machine tool, building materials, weapons

              So just these plants have already been built with us .. But the same market for aircraft .. Do you understand (or not?) That it is already crowded with companies with experience and reputation. What needs to be done in Putin’s economy, so that it’s not Boeing and Airbus, or even Bambardieu, that is our plane? So start with yourself, are you ready to switch to a Russian car, a Russian TV and a mobile phone? I haven’t yet .. It is useless to build a plant if the products are not sold and the salary will be 20 rubles ????
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 15 March 2018 16: 30
                +5
                Quote: Semen1972
                Are you ready to switch to a Russian car, a Russian TV and a mobile phone?

                why not? The question is whether this government wants!
                I have been driving 9 for 20 years. Justified itself. “Vesta” - asked, people are happy, but the price!
                The old Niva - is it worth 450-500 thousand? No. Those. the question is at the right price. And so, it turns out, they impose it by force. I don’t like it.
                Phones and televisions - do it taking into account the Russian capabilities of the buyer - and will be bought. All the same, the accessories are coming from behind the hill.
                Where is the tablet promised by Red? He's not around. And will not be. Since it’s more profitable for the government to pump hydrocarbons abroad than to build factories. Where are the 25 million jobs promised by the leader? No, and never will be.
                1. Semen1972
                  Semen1972 15 March 2018 16: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  why not? The question is whether this government wants!
                  I have been driving 9 for 20 years. Justified itself. “Vesta” - asked, people are happy, but the price!

                  Why not? Well, because I went to 9ke, and then I bought a Honda .. And I’ll tell you it was heaven and earth, and if Behu, then the parallel universe is simple. Everything is relative. Is Putin forbids to buy Vesta ?? Do you know how many West in Moscow .... I saw a couple of times everything ... is Putin forbidding this? And what does TV mean taking into account Russian capabilities? Such a rich and great country as Russia should be very expensive and quality? So who's stopping you from doing it? WHO is in the way? If this is a very hot commodity, so any businessman would have long opened, the market is 140 million ... Maybe the thing is that they don’t take it on the contrary .. AvtoVAZ abbreviations are not due to the WHOLE world dreaming of such a machine ?? What side is Putin here, he draws the design and does the assembly ?? Demand and supply are the whole story. Salyaris is complete, but West is not .. and I know why.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 15 March 2018 17: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: Semen1972
                    It was heaven and earth for you, but if Behu, then the parallel universe is simple.

                    so after all, no one disputes this! But after all, not everyone on the Honda and Behach ride
                    Quote: Semen1972
                    Do you know how many West in Moscow .... I saw a couple of times everything ... is Putin forbidding this?

                    You just made me laugh. Russia begins beyond the Moscow Ring Road?
                    Moscow retained the title of the largest car market in the country. The result of the capital last year amounted to 213,1 thousand new cars sold, showing an increase of 6,4%.
                    The highest share of sales of foreign cars was noted in the Kaliningrad region (95,5%), which even surpasses Moscow (94,6%).
                    Experts of the analytical agency "AUTOSTAT" identified the cities of the Russian Federation, whose residents more often bought in 2017 premium segment cars. At the same time, Moscow and St. Petersburg were not included in the rating, which are the leaders in sales of such machines by a significant margin from the rest (46,5 and 15,2 thousand units, respectively).
                    Why is Moscow ahead of everyone?

                    And having driven Muscovites sell used cars. Where? 23% in Moscow Region, the rest in the regions.

                    Quote: Semen1972
                    And what does TV mean taking into account Russian capabilities?

                    it means. that the surplus value should not be 200%, then the price will be adequate.
                    Quote: Semen1972
                    Demand and supply are the whole story. Salyaris is complete, but West is not .. and I know why.

                    How much does the Vesta basic equipment cost? And Solaris?
                    What are the revenues in Moscow?
                    that’s all the supply and demand.
            2. Semen1972
              Semen1972 15 March 2018 15: 41
              0
              Quote: seos
              we lose markets due to the fact that we have forgotten how to create weapons according to the criterion of price quality, China is tearing this niche out of us)

              The number of people employed in the military-industrial complex is very small .. I’m where to go in Moscow, we have Kalash and beeches here. Or where to go to a man in Tolyatti? Do tanks instead of Lada?
              1. seos
                seos 15 March 2018 17: 52
                +3
                A scientific and economic commission is being created which collects data and analyzes the economy and the need to create any enterprises in this region ...
                a private investor cannot create such a system but a state. maybe it should ...
                Here is an example of the Duma’s affair decided to develop the Far East ...
                1) they came up with the “Development Fund of the Far East” (corruption development is obvious), it is clear to everyone that the money will be lost from there .... and now the news was stolen ... no one is surprised and not shocked ....
                2) they came up with an idea to stop people from fleeing from the Far East region ... the Far Eastern Hectar program - everyone understands that this is not done for people, but in order to steal what is left ... The only way to earn on these hectares is to collect them by more and turn the taiga into a swamp, and sell the forest to Japan ... as a result, the region’s ecology is minus ...
                These are examples of how delights solve the economic problems of our country ... residents know what they need so as not to leave the region .. but no one will ask them ...
                If the development of the Far East region were entrusted to a scientific and expert group, the result could be different.
                The current system is based on corruption, it does not work, it needs to be reformed, tightened the nuts, planted and shot ...
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 15 March 2018 08: 01
        +1
        Quote: Vard
        If you have it small ... then you can barely crawl ...

        And if it's too big, then you won’t be able to crawl. laughing
      4. Cube123
        Cube123 15 March 2018 08: 57
        +1
        Quote: Vard
        If in simple words ... Money pressure as a person’s arterial pressure .... If you have a small one ... Then you can hardly crawl ...

        And if it's too big, then you die or become a "vegetable" from a stroke. Everything is good in moderation.

        In economics, you can’t make decisions guided by only one indicator. Any decision in the economy is always positive changes for some and negative for others. Therefore, the adoption of any decision in the economy is always the solution to an optimization problem that maximizes the positive aspects and minimizes collateral damage. One without the other in the economy does not exist.
        1. AA17
          AA17 15 March 2018 10: 18
          +8
          Dear Cube, 123. I agree with your phrase: "..Any decision in the economy is always positive changes for some and negative for others ..." This is true. The truth is that "these are always positive changes for some" in the Russian economy are accepted for a small circle of rich people. These "positive changes" make them richer and richer. I give indirect facts.
          1. ".... Net export of capital by the private sector from Russia in January-February 2018 amounted to $ 9,8 billion, which is 2,2 times more compared to the same period last year, the Central Bank reports. The dynamics of capital outflows are associated with growth foreign assets of banks and other sectors. As for the country's international reserves in January-February of this year, they increased by $ 23,7 billion compared with an increase of $ 15,4 billion in January-February 2017 ... "
          2. "... According to the results of 2017, Russia became a world leader in terms of growth in the number of rich and ultra-rich people. ... Over the year, the number of owners of a fortune of more than $ 500 million increased by 22% to 220 people .... More than 8 thousand During this time, the Russians crossed the bar of $ 5 million worth of wealth, and their total number in the country grew by 27%, to 38 people. The number of Russians whose assets exceed $ 210 million increased by 50%, to 26 people ... "
          3. "..: The fortune of Igor Rotenberg (co-owner of the Plato system) is estimated at $ 1 billion. This is the third representative of the Rotenberg family who has become a dollar billionaire, Forbes reports ...."
          But "negative for others" is always given to the people. As they say, the rich privatize profits, and the people nationalize losses. The Russians apparently should be proud of the oligarchic yacht fleet. "..By the number of luxury yachts more than 40 m long, Russians took second place, losing only to Americans. Russian citizens own 168 yachts with an average weight of more than 1,3 thousand tons and an average length of 59 m ..."
          P.S. "... At the same time, the incomes of the population as a whole throughout the country fell for the fourth year in a row (1,7%), and the economic growth rates were 2,5 times lower than the world ones (1,5% versus 3,4%) ... "
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 15 March 2018 10: 36
            0
            Quote: AA17
            I give indirect facts.

            And what do the “facts” you cite and what do they prove?

            Alexander Anatolyevich, your problem is that you evaluate the "capital of the oligarchs" from the position of an ordinary layman, i.e. like money lying in your pocket and whose sole purpose is to be spent for the pleasure of its owner.

            But, in reality, this is a huge part of virtual money. Capitalization of companies that cannot be sold for the money! This is money that is mainly used not for consumption, but for production. These are enterprises that give jobs and salaries to people. In the end, this is a mechanism that allows you to identify people who are able not to squander, but to increase wealth. And, the more resources in the hands of just such people, the more efficient the country's economy and its faster development as a whole. Give these resources to officials and they will be spent with much less benefit.
            1. AA17
              AA17 15 March 2018 11: 38
              +3
              Dear Cube, 123. You want to convince me that the yachts of our "successful and talented" oligarchs were bought with "virtual money". With your phrase: "... the more resources in the hands of just such people, the more efficient the country's economy ..." - I do not agree. If everything is so effective, then why are household incomes falling?
              It has been proven a hundred times that the effectiveness of private property over state property is one of the myths. Many private owners do not manage their own companies. They hire management staff. Under certain conditions, the State can be a very effective owner (USSR, China, Scandinavian countries). Who or what prevents the State (in Russia?) From hiring the same talented managers? You probably do not know, but almost all the extraction of natural resources is in private hands. Yes, they pay taxes. But taxes are only part of the profits from mining. You perfectly understand that a part can never be more than the whole. In the USSR, it was a "whole".
              P.S. On the aftershock, the author constantly publishes his analytical notes under the nickname bazil. Check out his blog. You will learn a lot about the Russian economy. All his data is from open sources. Here is his conclusion from the article “The Presence of the State in the Extractive Industry of Russia in 2014” - “The conclusion follows one: all government participation in the extractive industry of Russia comes down to the ownership of the Kaliningrad Amber Plant, PIMCU, Alrosa, Rosneft and Gazprom ", Which, taking into account subsidiaries, produce all of Russian uranium, amber (official), about half of the oil, 75% of gas and all diamonds. All other resources in Russia are mined by private, offshore or foreign companies. Therefore, any talk about the diminishing role of the state in the economy it should be understood as “let's privatize Alrosa, Rosneft and Gazprom”, since the rest of the upstream enterprises are already in private hands (as a rule, offshore jurisdictions), and these very tidbits, by mistake, are still in state ownership. Although, Gazprom and Rosneft - already with the presence of private individuals ... "
              1. Cube123
                Cube123 15 March 2018 11: 57
                0
                Quote: AA17
                Dear Cube, 123. You want to convince me that the yachts of our "successful and talented" oligarchs were bought with "virtual money". With your phrase: "... the more resources in the hands of just such people, the more efficient the country's economy ..." - I do not agree.

                Dear Alexander Anatolyevich. I will not argue with you on these issues. This is not the only true answer for all cases and for any development of the country. If he existed and would be always optimal, other methods would simply not be used. In my understanding, the effectiveness of private companies is primarily due to the fact that the owner is forced to make decisions risking his own head. He has a "tuition fee." He pays for his mistakes from his pocket, risking his own well-being. When a company becomes economically inefficient, it goes bankrupt and the owner loses a lot. Therefore, there is more to spin.
                For government officials, this is not so. Their mistakes are always paid by someone else.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 15 March 2018 11: 58
              +6
              Quote: Cube123
              And what do the “facts” you cite and what do they prove?

              These facts answer the Nekrasovsky question: - "And who needs a good life in Russia?" As usual, not ordinary people!
              Quote: Cube123
              But, in reality, this is a huge part of virtual money. Capitalization of companies that cannot be sold for the money!

              What ?? Let me sell! Is it not possible to sell something? Rosneft go to the Qatars or the Swiss? How, then, did you sell your stakes in the largest oil companies to the French, Americans, British, Chinese? Galitsky recently threw off 29% of Magnit’s shares, not at all for free! Received more than 2 billion dollars! In your words, is this virtual money?
              1. Cube123
                Cube123 15 March 2018 15: 28
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                Received more than 2 billion dollars! In your words, is this virtual money?

                Create your own company. Unwind it. Find a buyer and sell for $ 2 billion. If you succeed, then let's talk about what it cost you. No one pays such money for free.
        2. seos
          seos 15 March 2018 15: 14
          +1
          We play according to one economic rule ... and the west plays according to another ... in this game we physically cannot win because it is impossible ... In Russia, the money supply depends on gold and foreign exchange reserves and operates according to the "budget rule" in developed There is no “budget rule” in countries; their money is based on mutual trust and intangible guarantees ... that’s why we are always the loser ..
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 15 March 2018 05: 54
      +9
      In simple words, I do not have to delay buying a bicycle. And then, as we begin to “tear”, as “tear” ... And there are two options in total. And both are troublesome.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 March 2018 06: 12
        +3
        Quote: Benzorez
        In simple words, I do not have to delay buying a bicycle.

        if they give a loan ... wassat
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 09: 18
        +3
        Quote: Benzorez
        And both are troublesome.

        But one of them will give a result, and the second will not.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 09: 44
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... one of them will give a result ...

          ... negative wassat
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 09: 50
            +8
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            . negative

            A departure from the liberal course and a bet on the development of production will give a negative result? belay Where did you study, Kisa? Not in VES case? lol
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 10: 00
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Departure from the liberal course ...

              Do not say words whose meanings you do not understand. You will look, ahem, more solid ...
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              ... bet on the development of production

              Same. None of those who promise all these, ahem, golden mountains, have either a familiar fairy, or, on a thin, magic wand.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Where did you study, Kisa?

              Osia, I graduated from Steel and Alloys when you (maximum) were in fifth grade wink
              And as a child I loved hamsters as a child, this is so, anyway yes
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 11: 07
                +5
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You will look, ahem, more solid ...

                I, unlike you, rely not on how I look, but on the content of the conversation.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Osia, I graduated from Steel and Alloys when you (maximum) were in fifth grade

                Well done of course. But the economy is not yours.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                And as a child I loved hamsters as a child, this is so, anyway

                Bestiality never interested me! wink My first experience of love was with a representative of the human species. laughing
              2. Semen1972
                Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 50
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Osia, I graduated from Steel and Alloys when you (maximum) were in fifth grade

                Oh colleague hi , Chair of PDSS at Berkovsky)
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 15 March 2018 05: 47
    +1
    An example of Zimbabwe, like a ray of light in the dark kingdom!
  4. Stas157
    Stas157 15 March 2018 05: 47
    +12
    . The ruble strengthened. What's next?

    The ruble strengthened? Yes, he did not even recover! After a double fall, from 30 to 60, 5 became stronger for the unfortunate 56,9%. Hooray! Victory! We have the strongest currency in the world in the last couple of months!
    Medvedev and other members of the government have already stated that they are not interested in strengthening the ruble (they will not give back the lost to people!). Therefore, there is no need to experience illusions; the government will do everything to maintain this high rate, even if at least $ 250 will cost oil. Wooden, in modern Russia, can only globally fall, and not be strengthened.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 March 2018 08: 06
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      ... the government will do everything to ...

      And in time?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 15 March 2018 09: 28
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        And in time?

        Of course they will be in time! The oil exchange rate is $ 65. Why is the ruble exchange rate not 40 rubles, how should it be at that rate ??
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 March 2018 09: 48
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Of course they will be in time!

          No, they won’t have time. To solve each problem, people are selected who are able to more effectively solve it. After the election, there will be another government.
          Quote: Stas157
          Why is the ruble exchange rate not 40 rubles, how should it be at this rate ??

          Why are you surprised? Any course, any currency, in any state - this is the speculation of bankers for profit. Money has long ceased to be a measure of labor. They are a tool of enslavement.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 15 March 2018 10: 17
            -1
            You propose to cancel the money, and give out everything you need through the communist distributors?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 March 2018 10: 23
              +3
              Quote: Mestny
              You offer to cancel the money, and give out everything

              No. Money was originally the engine of progress. This status must be returned to them.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 42
            +6
            Quote: Boris55
            After the election, there will be another government.

            which will continue the course of the previous
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 March 2018 10: 52
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              which will continue the course of the previous

              The current composition of the government provided cover for the development of the defense industry in Russia. This task has been completed. Putin’s tasks for the future of Russia are not able to solve the current composition of the government.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 15 March 2018 11: 39
                +7
                Quote: Boris55
                Putin’s tasks for the future of Russia are not able to solve the current composition of the government.

                I think that solving the tasks set by Putin is not the work of the government.
                Putin simply says that it is NECESSARY to tell the people before the elections, and the government is doing what Putin needs.
                May 2012 Putin’s decrees the government executed for 6 years and didn’t. And they are already writing about the new May decrees of the leader. By the end of 24 years, they will remember.
                Look at his appeal to the 2012 FS - nothing has been done. This is the norm of his work.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 15 March 2018 12: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  I think that solving the tasks set by Putin is not the work of the government.

                  lol hi
              2. Semen1972
                Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 51
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                Putin’s tasks for the future of Russia are not able to solve the current composition of the government.

                Putin told you this?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 15 March 2018 13: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Semen1972
                  Putin told you this?

                  In a month you’ll learn with a ponytail.
                  1. Semen1972
                    Semen1972 15 March 2018 16: 41
                    0
                    But is Medvedev now, because he is coping with the task? Explain which one and why it? I personally think that he’s in this chair quite differently.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 15 March 2018 18: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Semen1972
                      But is Medvedev now, because he is coping with the task?

                      If you have the problem about which I wrote above, then surely.
  5. Streletskos
    Streletskos 15 March 2018 05: 54
    +23
    The collapse of the ruble once from 30 to 60 - it was not going to say that
    And these people are still in power - and do not hesitate to gently and confidently look from the blue screen, claiming all to the same high positions
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 41
      +3
      Quote: Streletskos
      Ruble collapse once from 30 to 60

      But it reached 70! I really thought to be lowered to 100. Although everything can be. Country needs cash
  6. Chichikov
    Chichikov 15 March 2018 06: 16
    0
    A strange profession - lawyers and economists. At different times, she was either the most popular and most prestigious, or the most worthless and parasitic profession. How many specialists have been trained and "made" for all the years, and things are still there.
    I still did not understand the degree of qualification of the author, and I did not find any scientific papers on the net. But, after reading several articles - before the dull consciousness of pain, I realized - this is not for the masses. Therefore, I am inclined to think that, “everyone thinks he is a strategist, seeing the battle from the side” and I’d better stick to what today's students are teaching -
    In Russia for the second half of the 1992th century. monetary reforms were carried out several times, as a result of which citizens lost a significant part of their savings. In the recent history of Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, there were several financial shocks that resulted in the loss or depreciation of savings, and the population had to start accumulating money again. The shock therapy of 1993-17, which destroyed the accumulations almost completely; defaulted on August 1998, 2008 and the subsequent fourfold devaluation of the ruble; the crisis of 2009 and the devaluation of the ruble in the spring of 2015; the fall in oil prices and the devaluation of the ruble in 2016—2 - these are the main milestones of this process. The result is the low value of M3 and MXNUMX aggregates in Russia due to the small size of bank deposits and other savings. Hence, Russia has a small coefficient of monetization of the economy compared to many developed countries.
    Well, yes, there’s also a certain “aggregate M2 and M3”, but what kind of “aggregate” or their combination, the author put in his conclusions, I don’t know!
  7. SHURUM -BURUM
    SHURUM -BURUM 15 March 2018 06: 32
    +7
    The ruble strengthened
    Yes, chef! But the people do not believe ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 09: 20
      +6
      Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
      The ruble strengthened

      Prices in stores strengthened even better! good
  8. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 15 March 2018 06: 59
    +6
    Quote: Ren
    What was it? I don’t understand ... recourse
    And if in simple words?

    In simple words: The ruble has strengthened! Do not dry your head! Go vote for GDP! To keep the trend! You can, of course, not for GDP, but then do not say that you were not warned!
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 March 2018 08: 35
      +3
      Well, go vote for the patient on Yavlinsky’s head, for example. Or Grudinin, who simply put on the badge of the Communist Party, a party that has not done anything useful in all the post-Soviet years.
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      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 20: 50
        +4
        Are you working with a Stroporez today?
        Demotivators are his bread, as it were ...
  9. emwave
    emwave 15 March 2018 07: 07
    +6
    Yeah ... The ruble has strengthened because oil has grown and does not change in price. When the government writes its plans, it does not hide at all that in order to get a result, oil should cost no less than. And then suddenly about the growth of the real economy. As correctly written above - the trees drive the wind.
  10. fif21
    fif21 15 March 2018 08: 07
    +4
    For 20 years Russia has been living according to the laws of a market economy. And interestingly, we live according to the “HSE doctrine” we fall into a crisis, heroically emerge from it, and again call for living according to the economic laws of the US colony. am Can we proceed from the interests of the economy and business of Russia? hi
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 57
      0
      Quote: fif21
      For 20 years Russia has been living according to the laws of a market economy. And interestingly, we live according to the “HSE teaching” we are falling into crisis

      I judge by myself ... a market economy, unlike the USSR, gave me both the cars I want, and the electronics of leading world brands and trips abroad and imported clothes, etc. .. That I could not have in the USSR. And plus competition, many shops, companies, online stores, etc. .. there is always a choice of EVERYTHING. I, personally, am very pleased with the market economy ... And about the crises ... like they are global, aren't they? And by the way ... the supply and demand wasn’t invented by the USA ... if you didn’t know)) And to believe that my uncle will give me everything for free or decide for me what to wear and what to eat .. this is the wild past IMHO, forget how nightmare.
      1. fif21
        fif21 15 March 2018 18: 25
        +2
        Quote: Semen1972
        I judge by myself ... a market economy, unlike the USSR, gave me
        Apparently I did not quite accurately express my thought. recourse I also like the market economy more than the planned one. But why should the Russian economy depend on the Fed and the US dollar? Why is the economic crisis in Italy, for example, not noticeable to us, and the economic crisis in the United States is becoming a problem for the entire world economy? hi
  11. EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 March 2018 08: 32
    +1
    For comparison: in the leading countries of Europe it is about 150-170%, in China - about 200%, and there the economy and standard of living have been growing at an impressive pace over the years.


    AvtoR, did you yourself understand what you wrote? If your amount of money is twice that of GDP, then the value of your money should not even be divided by 2, because 1 currency unit serves several monetary operations per year. Or you have to admit that more than half of the money is simply not used.

    And yes, Europe has not developed anywhere for a long time. There are no resources for this, like millions of Chinese plowing for a bowl of rice and a low-start state.
  12. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 15 March 2018 08: 49
    +7
    Before the election, no one will let the ruble fall, but after that, it’s quite possible .... so all articles on this topic before the election are about nothing
  13. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 15 March 2018 09: 00
    +7
    Well, Putin said that the economy will explode, and the economy will explode ... to hell with the dogs. The main thing is that people do not splatter.
  14. Loess
    Loess 15 March 2018 09: 20
    +3
    The ruble strengthened. What's next?
    Gasoline will rise in price ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 36
      +3
      Quote: Less
      Gasoline will rise in price ..

      taxes are raised and new ones are introduced ... Raising the retirement age, they already say as inevitability ....
      1. Loess
        Loess 15 March 2018 11: 29
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        taxes increase and introduce new ...

        May I have the details? Because I don’t know which taxes they raise and which ones they introduce? Tax on parasitism is not planned by chance?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 15 March 2018 13: 15
          +7
          Quote: Less
          May I have the details?

          1. Property tax. The reform provides for a change in the taxation procedure for real estate of individuals. This will lead to an increase in the amount of deductions, since instead of an inventory assessment of the premises, the calculation of mandatory payments will take into account the cadastral valuation, which will bring the property closer to its market value. ...
          2. Tax on the sale of real estate. Another far from pleasant news for individuals in the field of taxation is the abolition of exemption from tax on the sale of real estate in case of expiration of the statute of limitations for using the property. Until 2016, the mandatory payment amounted to 13% of the amount prescribed in the contract of sale, multiplied by a decreasing coefficient of 0,7, provided that the property was owned for at least 3 years. Since 2016, the term has been increased to 5 years, and since January 1 of this year, this norm has lost its legislative force. Now, according to the provisions of the letter of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation No. 03-11-17 / 76399 dated 25.06.2017/13/XNUMX, even if the property was purchased three or five years ago and all this time was owned by the buyer, he will have to pay a sales tax, which will be XNUMX% ....
          3. Land tax. Such an indicator as cadastral value will become relevant not only for property owners, but also for owners of land plots. Now, the real value of the land will be of primary importance, which will be facilitated by changes in the formula for calculating taxes for individuals in 2018 (the cadastral value is as close as possible to the market value for which you can actually buy or sell the land allotment) ....
          4. Rest tax. As an experiment, a special tax tax has been introduced in 4 resort areas of the country, which will have to be paid in Altai, Stavropol, Krasnodar Territory and the Republic of Crimea. If it turns out to be successful, then the preliminary date for the end of the experiment (December 31, 2022) will be changed, and citizens will pay the fee on an ongoing basis. A holiday tax is what will be new in taxes for individuals in 2018, as previously the Russians were spared this need. It will be paid by visiting tourists when visiting resort areas, and not only foreign guests, but also citizens of the Russian Federation will replenish the treasury. Eliminated from the obligation to pay the tax charge of a person from the "traditional" group of beneficiaries: citizens under 18 years of age, invalids, veterans, etc. ....
          5. The bill on movable property tax has been approved by the State Duma Committee on Budget and, according to the latest data, already in 2018 the rate will be 1,1%.
          1. Loess
            Loess 15 March 2018 16: 12
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            1. Property tax ... a cadastral valuation will be taken into account, which will bring the property closer to its market value. ...
            Those. in fact, even though the tax rises, it will be a fairer tax. If only because the purchase and sale of real estate is carried out at market value, and not on the basis of an inventory assessment of the premises.
            Quote: Silvestr
            2.Tax for the sale of real estate.

            You might think that ordinary citizens of this real estate "well, just heaps", there’s nowhere to go, they are trading right and left.
            Quote: Silvestr
            3. Land tax.

            Is it now that Grudinin will have to pay more for the “state farm” lands near Moscow?

            Quote: Silvestr
            4. Vacation tax.

            And the amount of tax on rest rubles 100? For some reason, it seems to me that a similar amount of tax is unlikely to be noticed by a person who is able to pay for a trip to the resort and hotel accommodation. Moreover, children do not fall under this tax. This is another tax on ... ahem ... on the "not poor."
            Quote: Silvestr
            5. Property Tax Bill

            Movable property - everything that does not apply to real estate, These are securities, money, cars, etc. Tax is paid by organizations in relation to movable property. Small business does not pay, ordinary citizens do not pay.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 15 March 2018 16: 33
              +5
              Quote: Less
              And the amount of the holiday tax is 100 rubles? For some reason, it seems to me that a similar amount of tax is unlikely to be noticed by a person who is able to pay for a trip to the resort and hotel accommodation.

              so why in the Crimea then moved his input? After all, only 100 rubles! Some little thing!
              So for the rest. Adequate taxes should be paid with an adequate salary.
              But how does the government want? Pay Russian salaries, and European taxes!
              1. Loess
                Loess 15 March 2018 18: 10
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                Pay Russian salaries, and European taxes!

                I am not a specialist in this field, but it seems to me that from the "European" in these taxes only names, and not size. Moreover, many advocate that the rich pay more taxes, but in fact all these taxes are designed for wealthy people. So people having
                Quote: Silvestr
                Russian salaries

                unlikely to suffer.
                Quote: Silvestr
                so why in the Crimea then moved his input?

                Sometimes this happens, somewhere they didn’t work out something, didn’t agree, just decided to double-check the theoretical part ... No, I understand that you want to see the evil will of the “regime” in everything, but ... However, your right to think how you are comfortable and as you wish.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 15 March 2018 18: 58
                  +5
                  Quote: Less
                  No, I understand that in everything you want to see the evil will of the "regime",

                  you have a biased attitude. I want at least a semblance of social justice in the country. I’m closer to the problems of 20 million beggars, and to you, the problems of 220 oligarchs. That's all.
                  1. Loess
                    Loess 15 March 2018 20: 02
                    0
                    Believe it or not, the problems of the oligarchs are absolutely not interesting to me. However, the oligarchs also have my problems "to the bulb", so that is mutual with us.
          2. Alf
            Alf 15 March 2018 20: 26
            +1
            6. Increase in income tax from 13% to 15.
  15. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 10: 07
    +4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    I live with my wife and two children in a one-room apartment, and there is no chance of expanding with a salary of 25 tyrov. From the word AT ALL. Just don’t need to talk about a recumbent stone - in Tolyatti it’s not possible to find work with a salary above, but those who left for permanent residence in other regions are slowly returning, it’s not better there. The zone of rapid development is frozen, people from AvtoVAZ continue to reduce. So no need for a happy and promising life in Russia.

    -----------------------------------------------
    Hmm, it's so hard of course. But it will also be necessary in the future to help children with housing.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 March 2018 11: 41
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      But it will also be necessary in the future to help children with housing.

      but as??????????? That is the question of the common man. Ocean's friends have no such questions
  16. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 10: 14
    +8
    Quote: Ren
    And if in simple words?

    -------------------------------------
    In simple words, our elite is striving for a parasitic kind of economy, where the financial sector is in charge, indicating to others how to live-in-budget, industry, and the state in the form of a budget. Banks strive to tidy up all types of income to their greedy little hands, and this can be seen in the ad- the sovkombank helped, act with alpha bank, VTB time, buy at MTS, Tinkoff is the largest bank in the world with an office of 17 million square kilometers. And other similar muddy-mortgage, maternity capital, military certificate, if only everything flowed through banks. It is in this banking reality that we live. As Semibankirshchina was and remained, Naibulinshchina was added. That’s the whole story.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 34
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      That's the whole story.

      simple, concise and affordable. It is a pity that few understand this.
      Hope is a dubious haven.
      “The hopes of young men feed,
      The elders are given joy ”
      But still gradually melting.
      G. Glinka
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 10: 38
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      As was Semibankirshchina and remained ...

      Delirium request
      Quote: Altona
      Naibulinshchina was added

      Mat prohibited wink
      Quote: Altona
      That's the whole story

      Exactly yes
  17. Mestny
    Mestny 15 March 2018 10: 15
    0
    Quote: Ren
    What was it? I don’t understand ... recourse
    And if in simple words?

    The author sees 2 options.
    1. Everything is going the old way, but in the future a powerful crisis may come (according to the author).
    2. We are breaking it all now, and we are guaranteed to face a powerful financial crisis right now.
    But the author suggests to suffer in the name of a brighter future. As always.
    Zagrudininets Detected.
  18. faiver
    faiver 15 March 2018 10: 24
    +1
    the end of the first quarter of the fiscal year - the process of declaring income for the previous 2017 year and paying taxes and contributions is ongoing, this is the reason for the ruble strengthening, that’s the whole answer, and not some promised “jerks” ... hi
  19. New Year day
    New Year day 15 March 2018 10: 30
    +3
    this is a no brainer that there will be no changes. It's cool when Kudrin will be instead of Medvedev!
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 15 March 2018 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      this is a no brainer that there will be no changes. It's cool when Kudrin will be instead of Medvedev!

      Have you ever encountered in your career when the head of a department (workshop, brigade, etc.) is appointed ... not the most intelligent, but the most loyal and obscure?
  20. Cube123
    Cube123 15 March 2018 11: 03
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Cube123
    You will not provide markets for them, at least for parties of hundreds of millions of copies.

    And here there should be state regulation, in the sense of ensuring sales markets. Trump won’t be shy about the Allies' excise taxes on aluminum to introduce. request

    Well, yes, "they will not take it, turn off the gas." You can’t force people to buy things that they don’t need or that are too expensive for them for a long time. This causes a feeling of discontent, with corresponding consequences.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: Cube123
      Well, yes, "they will not take it, turn off the gas

      You misunderstood me, I did not give Trump an example in vain. He introduced excise taxes on European steel and aluminum in order to create greenhouse conditions for his own producers. What's wrong with that? hi
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 15 March 2018 15: 03
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Cube123
        Well, yes, "they will not take it, turn off the gas

        You misunderstood me, I did not give Trump an example in vain. He introduced excise taxes on European steel and aluminum in order to create greenhouse conditions for his own producers. What's wrong with that? hi

        And the fact that this is far from always right. Sometimes yes, sometimes no". If you inflate prices, competitors will surely appear that will bring down the price. It is always necessary to consider a specific economic situation and make decisions in accordance with it. And "keep abreast" so that when the situation changes, you don’t be left with nothing. Everything is usually much more complicated than it seems from the outside, if you do not own the situation.
  21. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 11: 28
    +5
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Delirium

    --------------------------
    For you, everything that you do not rummage about and that does not fit into the "iron-carbon" diagram, which you were bitten in MISIS is nonsense, Golovan. That’s why you are spoiling in a conditional train from your conditional Kashira to go to Moscow because they taught you to be farm laborers and bourgeois.
  22. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 12: 01
    +4
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    About the countryside statistics ... bashfully silent.

    Like ours, s / n in villages and towns is 3-5 times less than average. Then what are we comparing?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 12: 16
      +6
      And who after this is the "switchman"?
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Average salary in China - 750 dollars

      Quote: Golovan Jack
      This is "average" for ... Chinese people employed in the private sector in cities and urban-type settlements. About the countryside statistics ... bashfully silent

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Like ours, s / n in villages and towns is 3-5 times less than average

      For the illiterate: the difference is that the whole RF is included in the calculation of the average for the Russian Federation. And the calculation of the "average for the Chinese employed in the private sector in cities and urban settlements" includes ... only these Chinese, oddly enough. Despite the fact that in rural areas and in the private sector, there are more of them, Chinese. And therefore the amount you give out for "average Chinese" - nothing (C)
      You are trying to compare disparate things. Boots with cucumbers, take it ...
      And you still have no sharpie. Keep ... getting better yes
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 14: 03
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And who after this is the "switchman"?
        Why are you doing this? To the fact that I replied to you that in our analogy with China, rural areas have the same many times lower? And what does the "arrow" have to do with it? belayWhere is the logic?
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And the calculation of the "average for the Chinese employed in the private sector in cities and urban settlements" includes ... only these Chinese

        Again, you have a logical failure - do you know what the Chinese think? Will you give a hand to the cut-off, that the Chinese collective farmers will not be taken into account?
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And you still have no sharpie.

        Kitty is up to you, like cancer to China. Thank God I'm not going to go there. laughing
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 14: 50
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do you know what the Chinese think?

          Read the article, I brought you a link specifically ...
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Again you have a logical failure

          Nah ... I'm not supposed to work tongue
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Kisa

          Osia laughing
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Nah ... I'm not supposed to work

            Not supposed to, but the processor seems to crash! wassat
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I brought you a link specifically ...

            Red Line website, page 404. good
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 16: 31
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Red Line Website, Page 404


              Remove spaces from the address bar of the browser.
              This is VO, the site inserts spaces in places where it makes the transfer of part of the link to a new line.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 16: 48
                +3
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Remove spaces from the address bar of the browser.

                Removed, found. And once again I was convinced of your ..... I don’t even know how to say, so as not to offend. repeat You seriously declare that the rural population of China was not taken into accountbased solely on the fact that they were not mentioned in the article of the Red Line website? belay Right, that is old, that is young. fool
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 17: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Are you seriously declaring that the rural population of China was not taken into account based solely on the fact that they were not mentioned in the article on the Red Line website?

                  So ... someone here is clearly ... bitten ...
                  The article gives average salaries by categories of workers.
                  There is no “average Chinese" salary, from the word "none at all".
                  Naturally, the rural population was not taken into account when it was considered "for urban people who work not for private owners."
                  And you are trying to compare what is honestly called "average for urban, working not for private owners" with the average for the Russian Federation. Scientifically so request
                  I’m talking about this with you like half a day already. And only about that.
                  Interestingly, in the evening at least it will come? recourse
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 17: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    And you are trying to compare what is honestly called "average for urban, working not for private owners" with the average for the Russian Federation. Scientifically so

                    And who told you that I gave an example of a salary for the urban population? I mentioned the average of China! fool
                    Average salary in China - 750 dollars
                    Google in the end then.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Interestingly, in the evening at least it will come?

                    2 + 2 equals four, five will not be, no matter how you would like. laughing
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 21: 35
                      +4
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      2 + 2 equals four, five will not be

                      That's right.
                      If the highest-paid group of Chinese people (those same, "urban, not working for private owners") has an average of 820 raccoons, then the average all over China in 750 - it just cannot be physically (and mathematically too) request
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Google in the end then

                      On the fence too - it is written. If you go to "google" all your knowledge of mathematics - I'm not on the road with you No.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I mentioned the average of China!

                      Stupidity you said. And Google once again fooled you.
                      There is no "average for China", they and how many people they know ... well, very approximately.
                      In short - into the garden, into the garden ... here, argue with Altona, you are completely worth each other with him ... Dima-Gogia - this is yours (and him too) "all" yes
  23. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 13: 32
    +3
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    For the illiterate: the difference is that the whole RF is included in the calculation of the average for the Russian Federation. And the calculation of the "average for the Chinese employed in the private sector in cities and urban settlements" includes ... only these Chinese, oddly enough.

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    -
    And for absolutely “illiterate” people, “the average salary in the Russian Federation” is nothing at all. Because in this "average" some abstract sum is indicated without taking into account wages by sectors of the economy. How much does a worker, his boss, a bank teller, a peasant, a doctor, a military man receive — all this has been thrown out into the “average salary in the Russian Federation”. In real life, people get from 12 to 28 thousand, sometimes a little more. These are hired workers in the bulk. And the "average salary in Russia" is 38 thousand. Despite the fact that the decile coefficient in our country is considered to be 16, and in fact reaches 40 or more. Miller gets in 5 minutes as I am for the quarter, for example.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 13: 37
      +4
      Allena, this is I-na (s) laughing
      Quote: Altona
      Miller gets in 5 minutes as I am for the quarter, for example

      I believe in it.
      Other - "not to the village," in general.
      I wrote that comparing shoes with cucumbers (the average for the Russian Federation with the "average" for a certain sample of "paid Chinese"), umm ... stupid. Do you have any objections? Wellcome ...
      And other "decile coefficients" You are here in vain, that ... request
      Quote: Altona
      And for the very "illiterate"

      For you, camping trip. Svarscheg wassat
  24. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 13: 41
    +3
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    You are trying to compare disparate things.

    -----------------------------
    Now about comparable and understandable things, because the Golovany jacks are still trying to confuse simple things in which they themselves do not rummage. How our economy works.
    There is such an “entrepreneur” as Oleg Tinkov, who tried to do everything from beer to banking. But this Oleg Tinkov was remembered as a "successful on TV" businessman. And then a certain V. Kostin invites him, who steers a large VTB bank and says: “Oleg, here you were making beer, which in fact is not better than the Baltic, doing stools, chocolates and something else. A businessman from you to put it mildly bullet substance, but your face is media and successful on TV, promoted. So I stamped 40 million plastic cards (cost is 100 rubles conditionally). You should attract an average of 20 thousand rubles for each card. Advertising has been launched for 400 million and all the rest attributes of the promotion. There is an agreement with other banks and payment systems that transactions will fly without a commission. We will spill people 800 lard. I'll pay you a billion. Be happy, Oleg! " That's all, money of the population flew into pieces of plastic. Also, Post Bank, which is also a VTB project. This is how the parasitic economy works. But the Golovan jacks do not know about this.
  25. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 13: 43
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    For you, camping trip. Svarscheg

    --------------------------
    Golovan, I’m generally hydraulically trained as a specialist mechanical engineer, so study the “iron-carbon” diagram, the institute offered to receive additional specialties as an economist and translator.
  26. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 13: 45
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I wrote that comparing shoes with cucumbers (the average for the Russian Federation with the "average" for a certain sample of "paid Chinese"), umm ... stupid. Do you have any objections? Wellcome ...

    -------------------------
    Objections I wrote. Do you really think so tight?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 14: 10
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Objections I wrote

      You wrote nonsense.
      Quote: Altona
      Do you really think so tight?

      Nah ... and in general, do not distract - let it work already.
      The fact that you, umm ... is bombing, is not my problem at all.
      Svarscheg blogger wassat
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 March 2018 13: 47
    +3
    There are no rubles. And where are all the rubles? On deposit with the Central Bank.
    The Central Bank specifically knits the ruble mass of Schaub no one dared to buy bucks.
    It comes to 2,5 trillion a day.
    Shakhibzadovna sweeps everything to zero, neither in the economy, nor in the buck does not let.
    If only there was a stabilizer at 7%
  28. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 14: 54
    +4
    Quote: Altona
    This is how the parasitic economy works.

    ------------------------------
    I will continue my comment. Sber also works, who is trying to drag pensioners into plastic cards. That is, the pension comes to the card and the bank accumulates and twists these funds of pensioners, as in the case of Tinkoff bank. A lot of money is being collected from the air. The same feint with the "monetization of benefits to the population." It is also troublesome to keep factories of cheap drugs, pharmacists for them and chemists to teach. And since they “monetized the benefit” of 300 rubles, supposedly a penny will buy 30 packs of medicine for 10 rubles each. But there were no such flasks, such cheap medicines, factories went bankrupt, and imported analogues cost just a packing of 300 rubles. The same is with "maternal capital." The girl is sitting pregnant and is glad that they will give her half a million to give birth to a second (!!) child. And the law stipulates that she will not be able to get this money right away, but after 18 years, to train a child or to retire. The girl gave birth, runs to draw up capital! Run sick! Devkin "capital" immediately shipped from the budget to where? TO THE BANK! The girl toils with a child, and the percentile runs on capital, but not for the girl of course !!! Give birth yet, girl, give birth! And so it is everywhere. The same banking scheme. Carry your money! The D-T-D formula should work flawlessly.
  29. serge siberian
    serge siberian 15 March 2018 14: 56
    +2
    Until money and bureaucrats' children over the hill, dirty green pieces of paper will not fall in price. all ministers and government officials count their salaries in the green. In China, they began to pay close attention to the quality of goods. And its economy is still higher than that of other developed countries. But if we go along their path, then they will not let bureaucrats steal - execution for these acts.
  30. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 15: 03
    +4
    Quote: Altona
    Run sick!

    -------------------------------------
    And when the methods of direct deception of the population have ended or do not work, the bourgeois decides to share a little, that is, he makes you a “cashback” to the card, for example. Or seeks a way to educate you once again with some kind of "renovation program." I watch TV somehow and here the happy residents of Khrushchev move to 18-story candles, all is well, applause, apartment cats, movers are free, apartments are 2-3 meters more. BUT, a candle stands on an area exactly 3 times smaller than Khrushchev, which means that someone “zapobyalil” precious meters of Moscow land. A little land is worth more than this candle. And do not care where there will be a parking lot or yard. City Hall presents the first floor as a floor for "small business, which is agreed with the residents" (well, directly Munich, there is something like that).
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 15 March 2018 15: 18
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Altona
      Run sick!

      -------------------------------------

      And someone is talking with myself belay
  31. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 15: 12
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    And when the methods of direct deception of the population have ended or do not work, then the bourgeois decides

    ----------------------------------------------
    The bourgeois is still about to decide, but a noble VTB banker comes up to him and says: “Here you have good retail, a chain of Magnit stores, a lot of money is spinning there. And let me buy it from you and I will decide what to feed people and how much will he pay me for it. Let's just do it in a good way? I give 10 billion dollars right away. "
  32. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2018 15: 13
    +3
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    The fact that you, umm ... is bombing, is not my problem at all.

    ------------------------
    You’ll miss the train to Kashira.
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  33. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 15 March 2018 17: 09
    +1
    Quote: Semen1972
    Grant and Kalina more expensive? Cheaper! So they should take more, do not they?
    So they are not taken badly. By the way, Kalina specifically puts sticks in the wheels - cars are available in the cabin, but there is no TCP. And such nonsense often happens.
  34. DPN
    DPN 15 March 2018 17: 25
    +1
    In Soviet times, it cost 64 kopecks, in 91 years 6 rubles, in 98 28 rubles, then 56-60 rubles, for the bourgeoisie he strengthened and for me fell.
  35. Ivan58
    Ivan58 15 March 2018 20: 05
    0
    Now On .... biulin nachn
  36. iwakura
    iwakura 16 March 2018 00: 35
    0
    Quote: seos
    1) Factories for the production of building materials - most of the building materials in Russia are imported

    Do not carry nonsense, dear. 99.9% of the volume share of domestic-made building materials and, let it not confuse you with foreign names or even foreign co-owners of some factories. I can assure cement, gypsum, metal, glass - very domestic. and all for a simple reason - no one will bring anything to us - more than 90% of the added value of materials is logistics. it’s unprofitable to carry somewhere in the vastness of our country. although, admittedly, there are certain problems in the chem. industry, when some component with a cost of 10 tons of product has to be imported from Turkey / China / Europe. it is stupidly not produced by us. Soviet industry, suffering from gigantism, was not able to produce a large assortment in small batches to order and, having lost work, was bent (Volgograd Chemical Plant)
    1. neofit962
      neofit962 18 March 2018 13: 23
      0
      Cement was not so long ago cheaper to carry from China ..
  37. iouris
    iouris 16 March 2018 20: 47
    0
    The author, apparently, during the previous cycle bought up euros or dollars and is very worried. I can reassure - I did everything right. Wait in the wings (although I'm the same expert).
  38. neofit962
    neofit962 18 March 2018 13: 17
    0
    In China, there is no “Plato," corrupt officials are roughly punished.
  39. neofit962
    neofit962 18 March 2018 13: 22
    0
    The state should take care of the rule of law, health care, education, and not bread rolls and warmth.