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The case of General Slashchev

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The great success of Soviet intelligence at the beginning of the 1920s was the return to Russia of a major white emigration figure, General Slashchev [1].


The case of General Slashchev


This история overgrown with many rumors and speculations during the life of its main character. Its official version, presented by the President of the Society for the Study of the History of Domestic Special Services A.A. Zdanovich in the book “His and Others' Intrigues of Intelligence” reads as follows: “The struggles of Slashchov with the Wrangel entourage and directly with the Baron (Wrangel [2]. - PG) split the defeated, but not completely broken, White Army. that fully complied with the interests of the Cheka and the Red Army Intelligence Agency in Constantinople. Therefore, without refusing to work with other generals and officers, the Soviet special services focused their efforts on Slashchev and the officers who shared his views.

It was recognized that it was necessary to send a responsible officer to Turkey, with a request direct contacts with the general ...

Commissioner of the Cheka (in the case of Slashchev. - PG) became Ya.P. Tenenbaum. His candidacy was proposed by the future Deputy Chairman of the VChK, I.S. Unshlicht [3] ”[4] as a person personally known to him from the joint work on the Western Front, where Tenenbaum under his leadership was successfully engaged in the disintegration of the Polish Army. “In addition, Tenenbaum had a wealth of underground experience, knew French well, which in Constantinople could be useful given the activity of French counterintelligence” [5]. Tenenbaum, who received the pseudonym “Yelsky” [6], was personally instructed by the chairman of the RVSR [7] Trotsky [8] and Unshlicht.



“The first contacts of the authorized Cheka with Slashchev took place in February of 1921. They were more likely to be exploratory in nature: the positions of the parties were clarified, possible joint actions in Constantinople were determined. At that time, Yelsky did not have the authority to propose to Slashchev to return to Russia ... In turn, Slashchev could not help but have serious hesitation in making a decision to leave for Soviet Russia.

Yelsky had to arrange meetings with Slaschov, observing the strictest conspiracy. He used all his skills as an old underground worker in order to protect himself and the officers with whom he maintained contact from failure at the initial stage of work. After all, at least three official counterintelligence agencies acted in Constantinople. [9] All of them were well paid and could recruit numerous agents to identify the underground work of the Bolsheviks ”[10].

The decision to return to their homeland Slashchev took in May 1921. This was stated in a letter from Constantinople to Simferopol, intercepted by security officers, and this gave them decisiveness in their actions. When embarking on the operation to return Slashchev, the Chekists allowed "amateur activities", as the Soviet political leadership had not yet made a final decision on this issue. Under the circumstances, the operation began in mid-October, since at the beginning of the same month a report was received by the Politburo by an officer of the Intelligence Agency of the Ukrainian and Crimean forces Dashevsky, proposing to transfer Slashchev and several officers from Turkey to Soviet territory.

In the end, “Slashchev and his like-minded people managed to leave the country house on the shore of the Bosphorus unnoticed, to get into the port and dive onto the steamer“ Jean ”.

The French counterintelligence through the agent of the number of Russian émigrés quickly found out that former Assistant Minister of War of the Crimean regional government, Major General A.S., secretly left with Slaschov. Milkovsky, commandant of Simferopol, Colonel E.P. Gilbikh, head of the personal convoy, Colonel M. Slaschova Mezernitsky, as well as his wife Slaschova with his brother.

A day later, the steamer “Jean” moored to the pier in the Sevastopol bay. VChK employees met his passengers at the pier, and a personal train, Dzerzhinsky, was waiting at the station. The head of the VChK interrupted his vacation, and together with Slashchev and his group, he left for Moscow. ”[11].

The newspaper "Izvestia" of 23 in November 1921 published a government report on the arrival in Soviet Russia of General Slashchev with a group of military men. Upon returning to their homeland, they signed an appeal to the officers who remained in a foreign land with a call to return to Russia. The transition of General Slashchev to the side of Soviet power prompted many participants in the White movement to return from emigration. [12]



However, the official version is challenged by information from the essays "The Work of the Comintern and the GPU in Turkey", written in Paris in 1931 and unpublished, by the former Deputy Trade Representative in Turkey I.M. Ibragimov [13], in which he says: “The same Mirny [14] told me that General Slashchev did not voluntarily return to the USSR: they just negotiated with him, lured him to some restaurant, got him drunk, and, because he was a drug addict, they pumped him with cocaine or opium and took him to a Soviet steamer, and he allegedly woke up only in Sevastopol, and then he had no choice but to sign the famous appeal addressed to the officers (I leave all responsibility to the truth story on the Peace) ”[15].

Notes
[1] Slashchev, Yakov Aleksandrovich (Slashchov-Krymsky; 1885 – 1929) - military leader, military teacher. He graduated from a real school (1903), Pavlovsk Military School (1905), INVA (1911). Member of the First World War and the Civil War. In November, 1920 emigrated from the Crimea. On his return to Russia from June 1922 - prep. courses "Shot". The author of works on tactics and memoirs.
[2] Wrangel, Peter Nikolayevich (1878 – 1928) - military leader, one of the leaders of the White movement. Graduated from the Mining Institute (1901), INVA (1910). Member of the Russian-Japanese, World War I and the Civil War. He developed a plan for the evacuation of the army under his command from the Crimea, as a result of which in November 1920 left for ca. 145 thousand people Founder of the Russian All-Military Union (1924). The author of memoirs. Presumably, liquidated by the agent of the OGPU.
[3] Unshlikht, Joseph Stanislavovich (1879–1938) - statesman, party and military leader. Party activity since 1900. Member of the Civil War. In the years 1921-1923. - deputy. before Cheka / GPU. In the years 1923-1925. - Member of the PBC of the USSR and the beginning. supply of the Red Army. In the years 1925-1930. - deputy. before RVS of the USSR and deputy. commissar of the sea. In 1930–1933 - deputy. before VSNH. In 1933–1935 - beginning General Directorate of Civil Air fleet. Since 1935 - Secretary of the Union Council of the CEC of the USSR. (Note.P.G.).
[4] Zdanovich A.A. Their own and others - intrigue intelligence. M., 2002, p. 247.
[5] Ibid., P. 247 – 248.
[6] Tannenbaum (German) - Spruce.
[7] The Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic (since 28 August 1923 - the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR) is a collegiate body of supreme military power in the RSFSR / USSR in 1918 — 1934. 6 was formed on September 1918, 20 was eliminated on June 1934. Combined the functions of the Supreme Military Council and the NKVM. The chairman of the RVSR was the People's Commissar.
[8] Trotsky, Lev Davidovich (his real name is Leyba Bronstein; 1879 – 1940) is a party and state leader, one of the organizers of the October Revolution and the founders of the Red Army. In 1896, he joined the revolutionary movement. In 1902, he fled abroad, where he became friends with VI. Lenin. In 1917 – 1918 - Commissariat of the first Soviet government. In 1918 - Commissar, before. Supreme Military Council, before. RVSR. From 1919, member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.). Participated in the creation of the Comintern. For the anti-Stalinist position in 1925, he was removed from his post before. RVS, in 1926, removed from the Politburo, in 1927, excluded from the CPSU (b). In 1928 he was exiled to Almaty, in 1929 he was expelled from the USSR. Killed by an agent of the Soviet special services.
[9] See: Russian military emigration 20 – 40-s of the XX century. T. 5. M., 2010, p. 478 – 483.
From November 1918 to November 1923 in Constantinople, the Entente occupation regime was established: the city was divided between the British, Italian and French armed contingents. (Approx. P.G.).
[10] Zdanovich A.A., with. 248 – 249.
[11] Ibid., P. 255 – 257.
[12] Encyclopedia of Russian military intelligence. M., 2004, p. 416 – 417.
[13] Ibrahimov, Ibrahim Mustafovich (1888 -?) Is a Soviet defector who fled 1928 to Europe in April from the post of deputy. trade representative of the USSR in Turkey. He graduated from the teachers' seminary in Simferopol (1904), the pedagogical institute in Constantinople (1908). In 1920, he joined the RCP (b). In 1922 – 1925 - People's Commissar of Education of the Crimean ASSR. From 1925 - deputy. trade representative in Turkey. After the flight, after some time settled in Paris. Cm.: Genis V. Incorrect servants mode. The first Soviet defectors (1920 – 1933): The experience of documentary research. Prince 1. M., 2009., P. 561 – 570.
[14] Mirny, Simon Maksimovich (1896 – 1973) - intelligence officer and diplomat (“Abdullah”). He graduated from the Eastern Division of the Military Academy of the Red Army (1923). Member of the Civil and World War II. In 1923 – 1926 - on reconnaissance in Turkey under diplomatic cover. Later - in diplomatic posts in Norway, Hungary and Sweden. In 1955 – 1961 - Chief Bibliographer of the State Library. IN AND. Lenin. (Approx. P.G.).
[15] RGASPI. F. 328, op. 1, d. 203, l. 50 – 51
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 March 2018 06: 04
    +7
    Now it remains only to guess.

    The film "Run" with us for a long time. In it, the hero of Slashchev is a key figure.
    And the language of circulation is good - it bears the seal of time.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 March 2018 07: 34
      +4
      Quote: Korsar4
      И language of reference good - wears the seal of time.

      What is so good?
      Common language lies and provocations. Provocations that led to the torment and death of people who believed this "conversion": those same Milkowski and Gilbich mentioned in the "appeal" were soon destroyed.
      Yeah, the acquisition is complete alcoholic and drug addict, from which almost everything has been turned away - a "good" acquisition! yes
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 March 2018 08: 04
        +6
        Now neither you nor I will write this.
        Judge Slashchev for alcoholism would not undertake - a tragic figure.

        It was unlikely that for these people happiness outside of Russia.

        "What a boring and ugly
        I think your Paris.
        Russia, my Russia, why are you burning so brightly? "(C).
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 March 2018 09: 47
          +4
          Quote: Korsar4
          Now neither you nor I will write this.

          He wrote what he was ordered to write. If at all he wrote this leaflet- pass to death.

          Sayings a la "you are mercenaries of foreign capital" in the lips of the Russian general they sound wild and impossible, this is appropriate only from the lips of the “fighters” yes
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 17 March 2018 10: 27
            +3
            Maybe. But there are wonderful lines, for example the first.

            And yet - a good reason to think about who represents Russia and the Russian people.
          2. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx 17 March 2018 12: 19
            +8
            Quote: Olgovich
            Sayings a la "you are mercenaries of foreign capital" in the lips of the Russian general sound wild and impossible

            Again, a brechet. First, check out the list of generals who have sided with the Reds.
            1. Lenivets2
              Lenivets2 17 March 2018 14: 40
              +1
              And what does your list have to do with delusional formulations that are written in the newspaper and which not a single educated person, let alone a general, would use (and they didn’t know such words and phrases, they weren’t trained as political instructors). hi
              1. rkkasa xnumx
                rkkasa xnumx 17 March 2018 17: 48
                +8
                The list is that even before Slashchev, many Russian generals took the side of the Reds. And the formulations are not delusional, but completely correct.

                Threat Another "branded":

                The appeal of General Brusilov:
                "At this critical historical moment, - we, your elder comrades, appeal to your feelings of love and devotion to the Motherland and urge you to forget all insults, whoever and wherever you inflict them, and voluntarily go with complete selflessness and hunting in the Red Army, to the front or to the rear, wherever the government of the Soviet Workers 'and Peasants' Russia appoints you, and serve there not for fear, but for conscience, so that you can defend your honest service, not sparing life, at all costs became dear to us Russia and prevent its plunder, for in the latter case, it can irretrievably disappear, and then our descendants will justly curse us and correctly blame us for the fact that, because of the selfish feelings of the class struggle, we did not use our fighting knowledge and experience, we forgot our native Russian people and ruined our mother Russia "

                This appeal was signed together with Brusilov by the well-known commanders of the old Russian army - Polivanov, Zayonchkovsky, Klembovsky, Parsky, Valuev, Gutor, Akimov.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 18 March 2018 08: 50
                  0
                  Quote: rkkasa 81
                  This is an appeal

                  This appeal is not written in 1918 g when there was and was precisely a civil war between Russians, but in 1920 d, when the offensive of Poland.
                  Reaches or explain in more detail? hi
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 20 March 2018 15: 20
                    +1
                    Explain. After all, in 1920. the civil war is not over yet.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 17 March 2018 17: 24
              +3
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              Check out first list generals crossed to the side of the reds.

              Forced serve with the Reds.
              And what on this list says about my "bullshit"? belay fool lol
              1. rkkasa xnumx
                rkkasa xnumx 17 March 2018 18: 08
                +11
                Quote: Olgovich
                And what on this list says about my "bullshit"?

                If tsarist officers considered it necessary to side with the Reds and beat the evil spirits, then sayings a la "you are mercenaries of foreign capital" from the lips of Russian generals sound absolutely logical.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Forced to serve with the Reds

                That is, do you consider Russian officers cowardly villains and parasites? Well, your words, another confirmation that the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 18 March 2018 08: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: rkkasa 81
                  If the tsarist officers considered it necessary to side with the Reds and beat the evil spirits, then the sayings a la "you are mercenaries of foreign capital" from the lips of Russian generals sound absolutely logical.

                  Whom to beat in 1921 r? fool
                  What nonsense, third just asking? fool
                  Quote: rkkasa 81
                  That is, do you consider Russian officers cowardly villains and parasites?

                  Where is it with me? fool These are YOUR words!
                  Quote: rkkasa 81
                  Well, your words, another confirmation that the anti-adviser is always Russophobe

                  Russophobes are those who blew up the main monuments of Russian military gloryscattering the bones of Bagration and Dokhturov for fun to dogs, these are those
                  and set up a toilet on the stoves with the names of the heroes of Plevna, those who blew up the tombs of Pozharsky and Minin. etc.-so that the Russians forget that they are Russian .. It's YOU. yes
          3. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 17 March 2018 22: 03
            +7
            Wah, how beautifully wrote "a pass to death." Only life has shown that this was a pass to immortality for Slashchev. And many commanders of the Red Army studied with him. And the tragedy .... take your favorite liberals, only rubbish is heard from them and about them. They will go into oblivion without any benefit to the country, only with benefit to the owners. But the owners have many, but one life, and they live it sweetly and in vain. Even after the very last hard worker, his work will remain, after them .... fertilizer and that’s it.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 March 2018 08: 44
              0
              Quote: AKuzenka
              Wah, how beautifully wrote "pass to death"

              Wow, don't you love the truth?
              Quote: AKuzenka
              Only life showed that it was a pass in immortality for Slashchev.

              In the same quality as Vlasova.
              Quote: AKuzenka
              А tragedy.... take your favorite liberals, only rubbish is heard from them and about them.

              What tragedy, what liberals, what are you talking about? Try to express your "thought" in Russian request
      2. Moskovit
        Moskovit 17 March 2018 10: 00
        +16
        An addict and an alcoholic taught courses, so much so that his lectures were always full of people. He also wrote several books on history and tactics. All such addicts would be.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 March 2018 10: 15
          +1
          Quote: Moskovit
          An addict and an alcoholic taught courses, so much so that his lectures were always full of people. He also wrote several books on history and tactics. All such addicts would be.

          In 1921, by the verdict of the court of honor was dismissed from service without the right to wear a uniform and left for the RSFSR.
          His wife Nina Nikolaevna Nechvolodova ("the cadet of Nechvolodov"), has fought side by side with a white general since 1918. She had battle wounds.
          In 1920 g left him and left with her daughter for France, thereby saving themselves.

          By the way, the appeal states that the wife came with him from the RSFSR, which was a lie and one more proof that Slashchev did not write it ..
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 17 March 2018 15: 15
            +5
            By whom was he fired and from what service?
      3. BAI
        BAI 17 March 2018 13: 29
        +8
        Yes, the acquisition of a complete alcoholic and drug addict, from whom almost everyone turned their backs - a “good” acquisition!

        it means when he fought for the king and against the Reds he was good:
        On December 31, 1914, the Finnish Regiment, in the ranks of which participated in the First World War, was re-identified in the Life Guards. He was twice shell-shocked and five times wounded. He was awarded the Order of St. George 4th degree

        “Because on July 20, 1915, commanding a company in a battle near the village of Kulik, evaluating the situation quickly and correctly, by its own initiative, with the whole heartless courage, rushed forward at the head of the company, despite the killer fire of the enemy, put the German guards to flight and took possession of a height that was so important that without mastering it, holding the whole position would have been impossible. "
        Granted by St. George's Arms

        “Because on July 22, 1915, in the battle near the village of Vereshchin, commanding a battalion and personally being in a position under the strongest fire of the enemy, seeing the withdrawal of the neighboring unit,, at its own initiative, launched an attack at the head of its battalion and put the enemy to flight than restored the situation and prevented the possibility of losing position. "
        October 10, 1916 promoted to colonel. By 1917 - Assistant Commander of the Finland Regiment. On July 14, 1917 he was appointed commander of the Moscow Guards Regiment, which he held until December 1 of that year.


        But as soon as he took his own look at what was happening and wrote a sharp letter of protest on December 14, 1920, to the chairman of the meeting of Russian public figures P.P. Yurenev about the resolution he passed, which called on all emigrants to support Wrangel in his further struggle against Soviet Russia, immediately received a court general honor and immediately became bad:
        A good combat officer, General Slashchev, having teams of random troops, did an excellent job. With a handful of people, amid the general collapse, he defended the Crimea. However, complete, without any control, independence, a sense of impunity completely turned his head. Unbalanced by nature, weak character, easily amenable to the most base flattery, poorly versed in people, moreover addicted to drugs and wineHe is in the atmosphere of general collapse completely confused. Not content with the role of a combatant commander, he strove to influence the general political work, bombarded the headquarters with all kinds of projects and assumptions, messed up one another, insisted on the change of a number of other bosses, demanded the involvement of prominent people who seemed to him to work.
        - Wrangel P.N.

        But even here, his former "associates" acknowledge his merits. “With a handful of people” defended the Crimea for Wrangel.
        And after that:
        In 1921, the text of the secret agreement of Baron Wrangel with the Entente states accidentally comes to the disgraced general. It turns out that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia promised so much to Paris and London that from the "great and indivisible Russia", in the event of the victory of the whites, only memories would remain.

        Slashchev openly expresses his opinion: “The Reds are my enemies, but they did the main thing - my job: they revived great Russia!"And he added in his spirit:" ... but as they called her, I don't care! ” “I, Slashchev-Crimean, call you, officers and soldiers, to submit to Soviet power and return to your homeland!”

        for white he became almost a blood enemy. And for you, as I understand it the same way.
        And everyone turned their back on the account - Soviet time:
        Yakov Aleksandrovich Slashchev was a very extraordinary person and in particular he often said what he thought. For this he did not like the white authorities - in particular Wrangel. For this his few friends appreciated him.

        After returning to the Soviet Union, Slashchev taught at the courses "Shot". And, according to contemporaries, he taught brilliantly, gathered full classrooms. Here is how General Hero of the Soviet Union describes him General Pavel Batov: “He taught [Slashchev] brilliantly, there were a lot of people at lectures, and the tension in the audience was sometimes like in battle. Many commanding commanders themselves fought with the Wrangelites, including on the approaches to the Crimea, and the former White Guard general spared neither causticity nor ridicule, analyzing this or that operation of our troops. ” In general, I will not go into details, I'm not talking about teaching now. The main thing is you you can imagine a white officer whose sharp lectures gathered crowds of his former opponents.

        And somehow, Marshal Budyonny came to school. In a more or less secular setting, the eloquent Slashchev began, as usual, to comment quite sharply on the operations of the Reds during the Civil War. Budyonny eloquence did not differ and reached into the pocket for a word, and there was a gun. Marshal, without thinking twice, drew his weapon and shot at Slaschev. Overshot. That Slashchev, without blinking an eye, commented, "That's how you shoot, so you fought."

        I am not a supporter of Slashchev and I consider him one of the bloodiest generals of the White Guard, so kind to your heart, but at the expense of the alcoholic and drug addict I would like to see not a biased personal opinion, but a medical document.
        1. BAI
          BAI 17 March 2018 13: 43
          +4
          And finally (on the moral qualities of the main critic Slashchev - Wrangel):
          When Denikin left, there were only two candidates for the post of Commander-in-Chief - Baron Wrangel and General Slashchev, but Slashchev refused any fight "for the chair" - in favor of Pyotr Nikolaevich Wrangel. He was not ambitious and could not stand politics. But the suspicious baron, having come to power, hastened to dismiss the hero, seeing in him a possible competitor.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 17 March 2018 19: 28
            +1
            Quote: BAI
            Slashchev refused any struggle "for the chair" - in favor of Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel.

            It wasn’t quite like that: Slashchev hi stated that in terms of army discipline and subordination, Denikin was obliged to appoint yourself a successor, but of any kind democratic elections the new Supreme - the top of idiocy, because they’ve been engaged in such garbage in the army since February 1917 and naturally ruined the front!
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 17 March 2018 14: 50
          +2
          That's about how I imagine this, really, an extraordinary person.

          And returning to the movie "Running". They managed to show the degree of tension of Khludov (the prototype of which was Slashchev).

          Each person has a certain limit. But most of us have not gone through this.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 March 2018 17: 34
          0
          Quote: BAI
          it means when he fought for the king and against the Reds he was good:

          Until he was a drug addict, he fought normally and where necessary. He has NOT been with him since 1914. He became them at the end of the Civil and in Constantinople, and flew off the coils.
          WHAT is unclear? request
          Quote: BAI
          for white he became almost a blood enemy. And for you, as I understand it the same way.

          A provocateur became shameful: people who believed him a fake returned and were killed. This is normal?
          Quote: BAI
          Slashchev openly expresses his opinion: “The Reds are my enemies, but they have done the main thing - my business: they have revived great Russia!” And he added in his spirit: "... and as they called her - I do not care!" “I, Slashchev-Crimean, call you, officers and soldiers, to submit to Soviet power and return to your homeland!”

          WHO said he wrote THIS? fool The Bolsheviks in their newspaper? lol fool Aah, then, yes, I "believe"! lol
          Quote: BAI
          to account alcoholic and drug addict I would like to see not biased personal opinions, but medical document.

          Also Soviet? lol
          Now tell me, who denied this?
          1. BAI
            BAI 17 March 2018 19: 44
            +8
            Also Soviet?

            Anyone, other than the allegations of Wrangel, personally interested in denigrating and eliminating not even a competitor - a POSSIBLE competitor, in the struggle for power.
            WHO said he wrote THIS? fool Bolsheviks in their newspaper?

            No, he is in his memoirs:
            “My friction with Wrangel continued, it came to a reproach on my part, that it seems that we are starting to dance to the tune of the French, and we raised a rebellion against the Soviet power, as against the power posed by the Germans. Why are the Germans worse than the French? the army said that the struggle was continuing, I had to say it, but still there were negotiations with the British, and Wrangel was going to conduct them himself with the Bolsheviks, and there was no doubt that the unprincipled struggle was continuing under the command of people who did not deserve any trust, and g avnoe, under the dictation of foreigners, ie the French, who now instead of Germans are willing to master the "fatherland." Who are we? This question does not even want to answer to myself. "

            Yes, by the way, from the so-called general court of honor:

            And also about the so-called drug addict and alcoholic.
            Departure Slashchev in Soviet Russia for
            According to the writer A. Slobodsky, he "stirred up, literally from top to bottom, the entire Russian emigration." It was followed by the return to the homeland of a number of figures of national culture, for example, Alexei Tolstoy (1923).

            And I hope you will not blame the French intelligence of the 20s for sympathy for the Bolsheviks?
            According to French intelligence, “Slashchov’s transition to the side of the Red Army dealt a heavy blow to the moral condition of Russian officers ... This is an unexpected change on the part of the military general ... whose authority was of great prestige ... brought great confusion to the spirit of intransigence that still dominated among officers and soldier of the white army. "

            Those. did the valiant White Guard generals have the authority and prestige of a drug addict and an alcoholic? Here, as they say, either put on your underpants or remove the cross.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 March 2018 11: 13
              0
              = BAI = Any

              Report of Slashcheva, I think, will suit you? yes
              From the report of Slashchev on April 5, 1920 to Wrangel:

              Intrigues in a small territory of Crimea are incredibly growing. The fight is with the indigenous defenders of the front, up to and including me, invading even myLively life (alcohol, cocaine)

              And later he never denied it.
              To reduce the unbearable pain from a wound in the stomach in 1919, which did not heal for more than six months, he started injecting himself with an anesthetic - morphine, then he became addicted to cocaine,
              One of Slashchev’s colleagues in the Shot courses, former Colonel Sergey Kharlamov, who commanded the Red Armies in the Civil War, will later tell during interrogations about Yakov Alexandrovich:
              “Both Slashchev and his wife drank a lot. In addition, he was a morphist or cocainist. He drank in company, drank and without company

              All "lie" except ... you lol

              Quote: BAI
              No, he is in his memoirs:

              belay WHERE is the confirmation in the passage quoted by you that he wrote "SAM" himself, and not the chicks of Dzerzhinsky, whose personal hospitality he used? request There is not a word.
              But there are DOCUMENTS, not your chatter and speculation:
              On November 18, 1921, at a meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.), The following was adopted:
              1) Copies evidence send Trotsky and Chicherin, so that these testimonies could be studied from the point of view military and diplomatic and that interested departments could raise a number of additional questions before the Cheka (i.e. the traitor sat in the Cheka and gave out all the secrets that he knew)
              - Slaschians make up an appeal to the remnants of white armies abroad. The appeal is viewed by the same triple, published at the same time as the arrival of the group or immediately the next day ..
              - the main work of the Slashkov group should consist in the writing of memoirsand the period of the struggle with Soviet Russia

              From a note to L. D. Trotsky to V. I. Lenin on November 16, 1921 in connection with the return of S .:
              "Commander S. S. Kamenev considers Slashchev a jerk. It is indisputable that in our country Slashchev will be only "restless unnecessary"

              Comrade sweethearted and FULFILLED under the control of the Cheka, he was prescribed: an appeal and memoirs, which he, as it was, obviously signed
              Quote: BAI
              Yes, by the way, from the so-called general court of honor:

              By the way, who in the society to which he turned for justice listened to the demand of this coainist? Huh? Again- none? Immediately obvious, enjoyed the "authority"! lol
              Quote: BAI
              According to French intelligence, “Slashchov’s transition to the side of the Red Army dealt a heavy blow to the moral condition of Russian officers ...

              The betrayal of comrades is always hard to perceive, although for you this, apparently, is normal. request
              He was cursed by his comrades, his family, he was a supervised powerless outcast from the Bolsheviks:
              “In Moscow, Slashchev was settled on Sadovaya, in the house of Shustov. The apartment had two adjoining rooms and a kitchen. He lived in the third room security officer, the upper floor was handed over to the special department OGPU.

              Cook-Latvian, who prepared for him, at the same time looked through all the letters and recorded the arrivals of visitors, and the one who lived next door security officer watchedand Slashchev day and night that was a source of constant humiliation.

              At the lectures on strategy that Slashchev gave at the shooting school, he was met screaming and whistling.
              .

              Quote: BAI
              ut as they say - either underpants put on, or remove the cross.

              Do you do just that? But why ME- your intimate details? Sorry, dear man. hi lol
      4. lesnik1978
        lesnik1978 17 March 2018 16: 41
        +9
        Show a copy of the doctor’s opinion (that he was an addict and an alcoholic). Or maybe you have another exacerbation of sluggish schizophrenia due to hatred of everything Soviet !?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 March 2018 17: 36
          0
          Quote: lesnik1978
          Show a copy of the doctor’s opinion (that he was an addict and an alcoholic). And be maybe you have another aggravation of sluggish schizophrenia on the basis of hatred of everything Soviet !?

          Judging by the "knowledge" and assumptions, you hi
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 March 2018 09: 24
      +4
      I remember the interest in watching this film. I remember the episodes: 1) cockroaches running. 2) Black with Khludov help the protagonist save his beloved.
      Even then I drew attention to such a detail: The image of Khludov is the most memorable, but at that time it was considered unlikely
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 March 2018 09: 44
        +1
        And yet - Khludov’s conversation with the commandant of the station.

        We are by the sparks that are in any talented thing, trying to understand what was happening.
  2. Cartalon
    Cartalon 17 March 2018 06: 13
    +5
    And it's all? And what does the author himself think about this?
  3. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 17 March 2018 06: 45
    +1
    Quote: Cartalon
    And it's all? And what does the author himself think about this?

    Why strain and think? I laid out for a change that everyone who is interested in the meantime knows himself ... all the more nothing but versions ... A creative crisis, or something more serious. Zamususovat him, and the deal with the end ... Joke!
    1. BAI
      BAI 17 March 2018 16: 35
      +1
      Zamususovat him, and the deal with the end ... Joke!

      This is about yesterday's "Everything on the Maidan .."? The joke is unsuccessful.
  4. Molot1979
    Molot1979 17 March 2018 06: 59
    +10
    Dzerzhinsky himself met Slashchev. In Soviet Russia, Slashchev was not shot or rotted in the camp, but was given the opportunity to train red commanders. Although there was more than enough reason to deal with him. So the version with drank-pumped up does not look too convincing. Rather, it seems like an attempt by the emigrants themselves to explain to themselves, how so-Slashchev-the Hanger, and suddenly among the Bolsheviks with his appeal.
  5. Cheburator
    Cheburator 17 March 2018 07: 07
    +19
    Although not the Socialist Revolutionaries, but the methods of personal influence continued at that time.
    Kutepov, Miller, Slaschev (with the hands of a cadet), etc. They thought that by knocking out people they solve issues.
    Therefore, it is surprising that the streets of Soviet cities were named after Sophia Perovskaya and Zhelyabov.
    Terrorism did not (or may it?) Occupy the last place in the instruments of power
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 March 2018 10: 53
      +2
      Cheburator, I partially agree with you, but Narodnaya Volya and Sofya Perovskaya (about her separately): yes, they are terrorists and killed Emperor Alexander. But their conviction deserves respect. I respect the people who were transferred to their ideals .. Sofya Perovskaya, she broke with her entourage for the sake of her idea, a young and pretty woman, why didn’t she want to live and for this it’s enough to sign a pardon. She could sign this petition and remain with a clear conscience: she did not pass on anyone and behaved decently during the investigation and the trial. What can not be said about some revolutionary men. For example, Yakushkin wrote about Pestel: “that they hanged five, and not two hundred and fifty, a pure coincidence. At least Pastel did everything for this” or Kalyaev: after the murder of V.K. .k. and sister of Tsarina Alexandra Fedorovna
      1. Cheburator
        Cheburator 17 March 2018 14: 44
        +19
        You know that - and I believe them on the drum. These are the terrorists.
        Now in the Middle East, terrorists are also blowing up people. And they are VERY convinced.
        If our state is fighting terrorism, there is nothing to divide the terrorists into good and bad, spiritualized and not so good. It doesn’t matter what reasons made the terrorist a terrorist.
        During the attempt on Alexander, a bunch of Cossack convoys died? What are they to blame?
        And what is the fault of Alexander, who abolished serfdom and carried out the reforms that the country had been waiting for so long?
        The place of the terrorist (and his relatives) is on an aspen.
        And until we forget about double standards - the way it will be.
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer 17 March 2018 14: 57
          +17
          You are absolutely right.
          Unless of course our state itself does not support terrorism
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 March 2018 17: 43
        +1
        Quote: Monarchist
        but Narodnaya Volya and Sophia Perovskaya (about her separately): yes they are terrorists and killed the Emperor Alexander. But their conviction deserves respect


        Respect for the KILLERS ?! belay
        The Council of People's Commissars of the USSR decides:

        Increase the size of the personal pensions to the participants act of terrorism March 1, 1881: Vera Nikolaevna Figner, Anna Vasilyevna Yakimova-Dikovskaya, Mikhail Fedorovich Frolenko, Anna Pavlovna Pribyleva-Korba and Fani Abramovna Moreynis-Muratova - up to 400 rubles a month from January 1, 1933.

        February 8, 1933, Moscow, Kremlin.


        OK, yes ...
  6. moskowit
    moskowit 17 March 2018 08: 22
    +6
    Very scanty, uninformative article. Slashchev’s track record would clearly be supplemented by material .... It would also be nice to describe his service and teaching at the Shot courses. After all, he learned from many future Soviet generals who contributed to the victory over fascism ....
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 17 March 2018 09: 08
      +5
      In the presented portrait of the general, you can clearly see the 7 badge "For Wound" ... It characterizes him very much as a military officer! soldier
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 17 March 2018 09: 16
        +6
        Slashchev died on 11 on January 1929. It turns out that for almost 8 years he honestly and conscientiously served in the Red Army. And he put a lot of work and his knowledge into strengthening the defense capability of our country.
        1. thinker
          thinker 17 March 2018 10: 02
          +2
          Finally I saw the correct spelling of the name, for some reason everyone ignores the letter E. And even in the notes the error is Slashchev, Yakov Aleksandrovich (Slushоin-Crimean; 1885–1929)
    2. BAI
      BAI 17 March 2018 17: 15
      +2
      After all, he studied many future Soviet generals who contributed to the victory over fascism ....

      I already wrote above about Batov, I repeat once again:
      His students in those years were the future Marshals of the Soviet Union Budyonny, Vasilevsky, Tolbukhin, Malinovsky. General Batov, the hero of the Great Patriotic War, recalled Slashchev: “He taught brilliantly, at lectures he was always full of people, and tensions in the audience sometimes, like in battle. Many listeners themselves have recently fought Wrangel men, including on the approaches to the Crimea, and the former White Guard general, not sparing slander, dealt with the shortcomings of his and our actions. Gritted his teeth with anger, but learned! "

      But unfortunately, Slashchev's most important lesson was learned poorly:
      "The criminal view of the large losses of units, as evidence of their prowess, is deeply rooted in our old army. Such a view must be fought. Constant large losses should indicate the military commander's unsuitability for the post. Victory must be achieved with little blood. For this we get a military education. "
  7. midshipman
    midshipman 17 March 2018 08: 43
    +10
    I did not like the article.
    Much contrived. Trotsky is cited in the literature. But it is not indicated that this is a protege of US Jewry for the whole collapse of Russia. Why am I writing this? On the line of my wife, her aunt was married to I. Yagunov. A member of the RSDLP since 1912, a member of the Central Baltic, the commander of a detachment of sailors stormed the Winter Palace. Yagunov was the commander of artillery at Blucher during the defeat of Kolchak. Then he was in command of the Baltic and Black Sea fleets. From 1930 to 1934 he led the Kronstadt Marine Plant (this can be seen in the history of the plant). He had as a present a nominal pistol from Trotsky. But in 1937 he was shot as an enemy of the people. Rehabilitated in 1953. His wife Anfisa Nikolaevna was also rehabilitated, then she lived in Leningrad and often met with us. She spoke of Trotsky extremely negatively. And she told us that her husband after receiving a gift - a gun from Trotsky the next day threw it into the Gulf of Finland.
    It was interesting for us young people in the 60s to learn the history of the country from the people who created it. Therefore, my wife and I asked her about their life. The author, quote the proverb of that time: "Soviet power was established and rests on Jewish minds, Latvian arrows and Russian fools"
    My ancestors built and strengthened the USSR through my father and mother. They created industry and defense equipment. We are proud of them. With a portrait of the grandfather-major of the Red Army, who created heavy artillery and died on the Leningrad Front 27.12. 41 g, grandchildren in Moscow and St. Petersburg, are constantly walking in the columns of the Immortal Regiment on May 9.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 March 2018 10: 12
      +2
      Kamrad Michman, and the proverb is poisonous. You ++ are for:: "Putting in the Jewishness of the USA with the aim of the collapse of Russia," but let me be indignant ': Yasha Sverdlov was 100% Russian and he did not prohibit him in SNK. And Ulyanov-Ivanov, and Kamenev and Zinoviev are Petrov and Sidorov, respectively?
      The proverb was what is called: "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye"
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 17 March 2018 12: 32
        +5
        Quote: Monarchist
        The proverb was what is called: "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye"

        A moronic proverb exposing Russian fools and cowards.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 17 March 2018 19: 40
          +1
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          A moronic proverb exposing Russian fools and cowards.

          great proverb only those Russians who had a stupid story about the promised freebie (Land to the peasants, factories for the workers! ")
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 17 March 2018 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: midshipman
      Author, give a proverb of that time:

      A very ugly proverb, I do not want to repeat it, but I deeply doubt that you could hear it in the 60s. For that time, such a proverb is not characteristic.
    3. BAI
      BAI 17 March 2018 17: 06
      +2
      But it is not indicated that this is a protege of US Jewry for the whole collapse of Russia.

      This is amazing. It seems like smart people, but how much can one and the same thing?
      1. All people are Jews. Already 2 times, according to the Bible (from the beginning from Adam, and then - a control shot, from Noah).
      2. In the interests of whom everything was done? The state of Israel did not exist. And if it is in the interests of another state, then what is the difference of what nationality and where are the Jews?
      3. And with all due respect to your grandfather (my father fought with me, and my wife (Jewish women), my father left for partisans in 1941 at the age of 13, after the Germans hanged his neighbors in denunciation of his neighbors before his eyes family) what does the Patriotic War have to do with it?
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 17 March 2018 09: 28
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Korsar4
    И language of reference good - wears the seal of time.

    What is so good?
    Common language lies and provocations. Provocations that led to the torment and death of people who believed this "conversion": those same Milkowski and Gilbich mentioned in the "appeal" were soon destroyed.
    Yeah, the acquisition is complete alcoholic and drug addict, from which almost everything has been turned away - a "good" acquisition! yes

    And where then there was no lie and provocation?
  9. Ham
    Ham 17 March 2018 09: 42
    +4
    all the tales of the "mass executions" of former officers are part of anti-Soviet propaganda! it was possible to read archives of the White Guard and White emigrant newspapers in the archives - the Ukrainian Ministry of Truth nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
    as there is with Alexei Tolstoy: "the meeting began with the adoption of a declaration that began with the words: curse you, Bolsheviks!" ;)
    1. captain
      captain 17 March 2018 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: Ham
      all the tales of the "mass executions" of former officers are part of anti-Soviet propaganda! it was possible to read archives of the White Guard and White emigrant newspapers in the archives - the Ukrainian Ministry of Truth nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
      as there is with Alexei Tolstoy: "the meeting began with the adoption of a declaration that began with the words: curse you, Bolsheviks!" ;)

      Well, the Bolshevik ministry of truth generally outdid even Goebbels. The fact that they claimed that whites are fighting for the king is generally the height of lies. Interestingly, older people still have this opinion. We often study history from feature films. For example, the magnificent film "Chapaev" shows an episode of a psychic attack by officers of the Kolchak army. There were no officer units in Kolchak’s army; on the contrary, there was a huge shortage of officers and generals. Among the Cossacks (Siberia and the Far East), officers who produced any differences and were literate were generally made officers.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 March 2018 10: 23
        +1
        That's it. Any biased media faces each other.

        And it is good to feel the situation in order to distinguish: where is the truth, where is the lie.
        And also - to know where "their".
      2. Ham
        Ham 17 March 2018 10: 41
        +7
        the whole trouble of the white movement is that he didn’t have any clear ideas for what to fight for ... who is "for the tsar", who is for "all power to the constituent assembly", who is for the "Siberian dictator", but in fact they all fought for their interests Entente and other scavengers
        the Bolsheviks knew exactly what they want and how to achieve this, therefore the propaganda of the Bolsheviks was orders of magnitude more effective than the propaganda of the whites because their theses and slogans were more understandable to the people than the abstract ideas of the whites that basically boiled down to “bring everything back” and “break up commissars and we'll figure it out. " When they write here about the Civil War, they always forget that this war was CLASS, the war of the poor against the rich, oppressed against the oppressors.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 17 March 2018 11: 40
          +1
          I think that the class nature of war is not a comprehensive characteristic.

          The tragedy of the white movement is isolation from its land.
          And then the Reds began internal cannibalism.

          "In front - an ambush,
          And behind is a trap. "(C).
  10. Altona
    Altona 17 March 2018 11: 21
    +4
    Quote: Monarchist
    And where then there was no lie and provocation?

    -----------------------------
    And where now there is no lie and provocation? Olgovich loves to build himself a deceived virgin.
  11. Altona
    Altona 17 March 2018 11: 25
    +5
    Quote: captain
    Well, the Bolshevik ministry of truth generally outdid even Goebbels. The fact that they claimed that whites are fighting for the king is generally the height of lies. Interestingly, older people still have this opinion.

    -----------------------
    Yes, Rotmister, you would now have a horse regiment and a couple of machine guns, you would show everyone. Lover you wave your alternative sword. The damned commissariks ruined the Dassyushka, where officers walked barefoot in the dew on a summer morning. laughing
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 March 2018 15: 57
      0
      "" You would have a horse regiment, but a couple of machine guns "in my opinion, two machine guns are not enough for a cavalry regiment. The author should know better: how many machine guns relied on the infantry and cavalry regiment?
  12. Altona
    Altona 17 March 2018 11: 27
    +2
    Quote: Ham
    the whole trouble of the white movement is that he didn’t have any clear ideas for what to fight for ... who is "for the tsar", who is for "all power to the constituent assembly", who is for the "Siberian dictator", but in fact they all fought for their interests Entente and other scavengers

    --------------------------------
    So the tsar-father did not have any clear ideas to get involved in the imperialist war. There were mriies about the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, that's all ideas. But Russia fought for the capital of others, for its debts to world capital.
    1. Opera
      Opera 17 March 2018 13: 15
      +3
      You know, apparently, explaining to you the motives of the tsar - the priest when entering the 1st World War is the same as explaining to the militant atheist why the Lord allowed Satan to experience Job the long-suffering from whom everyone turned away!
      1. BAI
        BAI 17 March 2018 16: 44
        +3
        motives of the king - priests when entering the 1st World War

        And you know, he had no motive. He stupidly got involved in an unprepared form. He declared general mobilization for the conflict between Serbia and Austria-Hungary (which, according to B. M. Shaposhnikov, “is an unconditional declaration of war”) and immediately, accordingly, ran into a declaration of war against Germany and Russia.
    2. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 17 March 2018 13: 42
      +1
      In fact, Germany declared war on Russia, after the announcement of mobilization. And what did not need to be announced?
    3. Lenivets2
      Lenivets2 17 March 2018 14: 48
      +1
      Actually, Germany declared war, not Russia.
      Or according to your tsar, in the conditions of the mobilization of neighbors and the concentration of their troops, it was not necessary to declare the mobilization, but it was necessary to act like Stalin?
      The logical conclusion: do you agree that the USSR did not announce mobilization before the start of the Great Patriotic War and do you think this is the right decision?
      And accordingly, the logical subsequent rout and retreat to Moscow. hi
    4. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 March 2018 16: 02
      0
      Altona, how many times it has been said with references to documents that Russia was forced to join the WWII, and you repeat the same thing. Already tired
      1. BAI
        BAI 17 March 2018 16: 46
        +1
        Russia was forced to join WWI,

        Hitler in 1941, too, forced? Who wanted, he entered.
  13. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 17 March 2018 14: 00
    +1
    Quote: Ham
    the whole trouble of the white movement is that he didn’t have any clear ideas for what to fight for ... who is "for the tsar", who is for "all power to the constituent assembly", who is for the "Siberian dictator", but in fact they all fought for their interests Entente and other scavengers
    the Bolsheviks knew exactly what they want and how to achieve this, therefore the propaganda of the Bolsheviks was orders of magnitude more effective than the propaganda of the whites because their theses and slogans were more understandable to the people than the abstract ideas of the whites that basically boiled down to “bring everything back” and “break up commissars and we'll figure it out. " When they write here about the Civil War, they always forget that this war was CLASS, the war of the poor against the rich, oppressed against the oppressors.


    Do not quite accurately state. It was precisely in the Bolsheviks that the white traitors saw the national interests of Russia, sold primarily to Jewish and German capital (in which car did Ilyich and Co. arrive, what nationality was the Bolshevik elite and many of their local representatives?). And the gap was too deep between the ruling stratum (brought up on foreign values) and the rest of the population (doesn’t resemble anything?), Which was expertly used in fomenting confrontation by puppeteers of those events.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 17 March 2018 15: 03
      +4
      Quote: sib.ataman
      (in which car did Ilyich and Co. arrive, what nationality was the Bolshevik elite and many of their local representatives?).

      How much can you chew this chewing gum? Lenin traveled from Switzerland to Sweden by train. In order to pass through the warring country of Germany without any contact, the car was sealed, passengers were transported in transit, like postal freight.
      Here are the conditions for travel of Russian emigrants through Germany
      1. I, Fritz Platten, accompany with full responsibility and at my own risk a carriage with political emigrants and refugees returning through Germany to Russia.
      2. Relations with the German authorities and officials are conducted exclusively and only by Platten. Without his permission, no one has the right to enter the carriage.
      3. The wagon recognizes the right of extraterritoriality. Neither when entering or leaving Germany, no control of passports or passengers should be carried out.
      4. Passengers will be taken into the car regardless of their views and attitudes towards the issue of war or peace.
      5. Platten assumes the supply of passengers with railway tickets at normal fare prices.
      6. If possible, travel should be made without interruption. No one shall, either of their own free will or by order, leave the carriage. There should be no delays on the way without a technical need.
      7. Permission to travel is granted on the basis of an exchange for German or Austrian prisoners of war or internees in Russia.
      8. The intermediary and passengers commit themselves, personally and privately, to obtain from the working class the implementation of paragraph 7.
      9. The fastest possible move from the Swiss border to the Swedish, as far as technically feasible.
      Bern - Zurich. April 4 (March 22, N.M.) 1917
      (Signed) Fritz Platten
      Secretary of the Swiss Socialist Party
  14. Altona
    Altona 17 March 2018 14: 14
    +3
    Quote: Oper
    You know, apparently, explaining to you the motives of the tsar - the priest when entering the 1st World War is the same as explaining to the militant atheist why the Lord allowed Satan to experience Job the long-suffering from whom everyone turned away!

    -----------------------------
    You know, I already lived under the USSR and certainly not under the tsar-priest, whom I relate to as a historical character, recognizing his mistakes as an individual and as a statesman. People like you and Rothmistra are still waving the banner of revanchism and want to conquer the Civil War, they want to anoint the new king, put Monomakh’s cap on his head or the imperial crown. You know, I don’t want this because this will not help our country from the word at all. Neither crowns nor axelbands with epaulettes will help us, let alone a new civil war. Now we don’t even wear classic suits, but give you a tunic with upright collars. The time is already different; there is no need to breed new feudalism.
    1. Opera
      Opera 17 March 2018 14: 33
      +1
      Aiguilettes and a tunic with a little collar are present right now!) And no one is going to fight with you. Everything goes on as usual. And the banner of revanchism is rather in your hands ...) But this is empty. The fact that you don’t wear classic costumes is probably not very good, but it's up to you! About feudalism is you at all, as it is not the topic! By the middle of the nineteenth century, the capitalist structure in Russia had already taken shape seriously! I don’t know how Rotmister, but I am for progress! I think in general he too!)
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 March 2018 14: 53
        0
        Here from the conversation there is already a scenario in the form of "Island of Crimea" Aksyonov drew.
      2. BAI
        BAI 17 March 2018 16: 49
        0
        tunic with stand-up collars are present now!)

        The amusing troops of the guard of honor company (at the same time I do not dispute the need for their presence). For theatrical performances.
  15. nnz226
    nnz226 17 March 2018 14: 41
    +1
    Beautiful general. His image, played by Dvorzhetsky, is somewhat different ...
    1. BAI
      BAI 17 March 2018 19: 50
      +2
      It seems to me that photography is better here.
  16. Altona
    Altona 17 March 2018 16: 07
    +1
    Quote: Monarchist
    Altona, how many times it has been said with references to documents that Russia was forced to join the WWII, and you repeat the same thing. Already tired

    ---------------------------
    They force us now, so what? All these gestures with the expulsion of diplomats, the selection of diplomatic real estate, the downing of aircraft are already a direct challenge to the war, at least in the format of the 20th century, this is an incident of the bell. So what? Are we going to war?
  17. Monarchist
    Monarchist 17 March 2018 16: 08
    0
    Quote: Lenivets2
    Actually, Germany declared war, not Russia.
    Or according to your tsar, in the conditions of the mobilization of neighbors and the concentration of their troops, it was not necessary to declare the mobilization, but it was necessary to act like Stalin?
    The logical conclusion: do you agree that the USSR did not announce mobilization before the start of the Great Patriotic War and do you think this is the right decision?
    And accordingly, the logical subsequent rout and retreat to Moscow. hi

    And here you are not quite right: in the Soviet Union, under the guise of gathering reservists, a partial mobilization began. There are many publications about this, and Martirosyan has work on this topic. I downloaded myself, but have not yet started reading
  18. Altona
    Altona 17 March 2018 16: 08
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    Aiguilettes and a tunic with a little collar are present right now!) And no one is going to fight with you. Everything goes on as usual. And the banner of revanchism is rather in your hands ...) But this is empty. The fact that you don’t wear classic costumes is probably not very good, but it's up to you! About feudalism is you at all, as it is not the topic! By the middle of the nineteenth century, the capitalist structure in Russia had already taken shape seriously! I don’t know how Rotmister, but I am for progress! I think in general he too!)

    ---------------------------
    Yes, you are for progress, only with spits in its genesis. We must spit on the past with great pleasure and there will be progress.
    1. Opera
      Opera 17 March 2018 16: 44
      0
      Did I spit somewhere ?! Why are you distorting ?! That you deigned in the past of Russia to spit in the face of the tsar-father, etc. Forgot?! I just suggested that explaining to you that this is an ungrateful affair, too, that to blaspheme with Christ! You just broadcast here in all directions, like the ultimate truth! And hang labels on people! You will begin to realize your slogans. Maybe the past will not seem so spitty ?! This article is about Slashchev. A very dramatic figure and the time in which he lived. And nothing to do with epaulettes and collars! So much Russian blood was spilled! And this is certainly a Russian tragedy! Well, if you think that the real history of Russia began in 1917, and before that there was feudalism, as you deigned to write, can I really convince you of this ?! I'm just really sorry that some people who speak Russian and probably think such a short history of the country in which they live! The history of Russia is much more ancient, richer and higher!
    2. BAI
      BAI 17 March 2018 16: 51
      0
      We must spit on the past with great pleasure and there will be progress.

      It will be fertilizer on which a new bright future will grow.
  19. div
    div 17 March 2018 23: 23
    0
    Quote: Moskovit
    An addict and an alcoholic taught courses, so much so that his lectures were always full of people. He also wrote several books on history and tactics. All such addicts would be.

    General Slashchev is a genius of tactics. And about the transition to the side of the Reds - look at the statements of Pepelyaev about Soviet Russia
  20. Laurus
    Laurus 19 March 2018 12: 45
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: rkkasa 81
    Check out first list generals crossed to the side of the reds.

    Forced serve with the Reds.
    And what on this list says about my "bullshit"? belay fool lol

    Forced? It’s funny. A general, for example, Nikolaev, who was captured by the white and refused to go to their side and hanged for it?
    Yes, that is far to go. The same Brusilov lives in red Moscow, is a freelance adviser to the Revolutionary Military Council, and his son, also a tsarist officer, commands a squadron in the Red Army. And Brusilov himself writes a statement about his admission to the Red Army after the whites captured and executed his son. Before Brusilov himself decided to take revenge, no one forced him to anything.
    And here are the lines from the application for the admission of the first commander of the RKKF, Admiral Altfater: “I have served so far only because I considered it necessary to be useful to Russia where I can, and as I can. But I did not know and did not believe you "I still don’t understand much, but I’ve made sure ... that you love Russia more than many of ours. And now I have come to tell you that I am yours."
    Are these the words of the man who was forced?
    No, those generals and officers who served as red simply turned out to be more decent than their colleagues, who had betrayed their country and became mercenaries of the Entente in the war against their own people.