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Putin proposed to toughen punishment for violations in the field of public procurement

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The draft law, which aims to strengthen criminal liability for violations in the field of procurement of services, works and goods for municipal or state needs, was introduced by President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.


Analysis of law enforcement indicates that there are certain gaps in the legislative regulation of responsibility for abuses in the above-mentioned sphere by persons representing the interests of state or municipal customers, as well as persons performing state or municipal contracts
- says the explanatory note to the draft law.

Putin proposed to toughen punishment for violations in the field of public procurement


As a result, two new articles are proposed for the Criminal Code. One of them introduces liability for “abuses in the procurement of goods, works, services to meet state or municipal needs,” punishment for it can be a fine of up to 200 thousand rubles, or imprisonment for up to three years (up to seven years in the event of prior agreement or significant damage).

Another article establishes the penalty for bribing an employee of a contract service, a contract manager or a member of the procurement commission. Such a violation can be expected to be punished with a fine in the amount of 300 thousand to 500 thousand rubles or with imprisonment for up to three years with a fine of up to 10 multiple of the bribe (from seven to 12 years with prior agreement or crimes on a large scale).

Recall earlier, Vladimir Putin said that the law on public procurement helps to maintain a competitive environment in Russia, but with rogues in this area need to fight.
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  1. The black
    The black 12 March 2018 16: 02
    +3
    For such a violation, a fine of up to 300 thousand to 500 thousand rubles can be expected or by imprisonment for up to three years with a fine of up to 10-times the amount of bribe (from seven to 12 years with prior conspiracy or commission large scale crimes).
    ... and the term should be counted only from the moment the fine is paid ..... and without any UDO there.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 12 March 2018 16: 04
      +22
      Putin proposed to toughen punishment for violations in the field of public procurement

      And I thought that finally the public executions of embezzlers and corrupt officials
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 12 March 2018 16: 12
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        And I thought that finally the public executions of embezzlers and corrupt officials

        I will also offer a return of punitive psychiatry for tongue-tied liberoids smile
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 12 March 2018 16: 17
          +2
          Quote: Thrall
          I will also offer a return of punitive psychiatry for tongue-tied liberoids

          Who argued wink
          1. assa67
            assa67 12 March 2018 17: 14
            +9
            finally a good idea! .. they forgot only the confiscation of property, without everything there it’s not mine, uncle, nephew, etc ... I used the stolen accessory ... and also to the prison .... at first, of course , prisons will break, nothing will empty with time
            1. freddyk
              freddyk 12 March 2018 17: 34
              +3
              Quote: assa67
              finally a good idea! .. they forgot only the confiscation of property, without everything there it’s not mine, uncle, nephew, etc ... I used the stolen accessory ... and also to the prison .... at first, of course , prisons will break, nothing will empty with time


              Do you think you forgot? Do not tell, this will never happen, even if they are “reminded”. Under Mr Putin, of course. This project (still just a project, by the way) is dust in the eyes of an indignant society, like, look. we are fighting. This is a funny fork from a fine to three (seven) years. The plug should be from seven to a lifetime (since there is no tower) With complete confiscation. That would be a fight. And all this bullshit, they will get off with fines from the stolen same. Well, for people, indicative trials of infidels.
              1. assa67
                assa67 12 March 2018 17: 44
                +5
                it’s not so easy to break the existing system ... you want to say that come to power, say, sternum, we’ll live right away? .. but where there, another 20 years of ruin and dominance of the liberals as noted and EBN
                1. krot
                  krot 12 March 2018 18: 40
                  +1
                  Funny amounts of fines!
                2. freddyk
                  freddyk 12 March 2018 20: 28
                  0
                  Quote: assa67
                  Do you want to say that come to power, say, sternum, so we will immediately heal?

                  There are no guarantees, of course. But in the program he has a serious toughening of the criminal law for robbers, it is not for nothing that he sets China as an example. So there is hope. Mr. Putin does not have such a program, and he does not have a program. At least for the previous terms, he reported to the people.
            2. AUL
              AUL 12 March 2018 17: 47
              0
              Well, a bill will pass through the Dumakov someday (since it was submitted by the SAM). But probably in a castrated form. Then they will begin to develop by-laws to it, which completely emasculate the meaning of the law. Then the Ministry of Justice will issue explanations to the law. And then the "practice of applying the law" will begin with our bambiic justice. So thieves on this subject need not worry too much.
              1. assa67
                assa67 12 March 2018 17: 52
                +2
                yes, I think they don’t worry))))))) ... the punishment is, in fact, so-so
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 40
          0
          Thrall, we also sometimes shoot ... But Liberals are different. Just different ...
        3. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 12 March 2018 17: 16
          +1
          Quote: Thrall
          for liberoids

          Putin’s supporters blame that the opponents are liberals, opponents blame that Putin himself is a liberal and even the government and economic course are finally the most liberal, the conclusion is to treat everyone fellow
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 20
            +1
            Not this way! The liberal government accuses Putin of liberalism, Putin accuses his government of liberalism. Gref accuses Nabiullina of liberalism, and Nabiullina accuses Rogozin of liberalism. Rogozin accuses Medvedev of liberalism, and Medvedev of Putin. And Zurabov "pokes" money ...
      2. jovanni
        jovanni 12 March 2018 16: 22
        +2
        And I thought that finally the public executions of embezzlers and corrupt officials


        There are not enough cartridges
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 12 March 2018 17: 51
          0
          Quote: Jovanni
          There are not enough cartridges

          You can poison gases laughing
      3. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 12 March 2018 16: 57
        +3
        whatever it is, they wouldn’t tighten it up, and make the punishment mechanism trouble-free and inevitable, and you can tighten it up to diarrhea, if this does not work in fact, then tighten everything to the lamp.
      4. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 12 March 2018 17: 53
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        And I thought that finally the public executions of embezzlers and corrupt officials

        and also quartering and chopping off of hands ... you can burn it in a carnival on a fire or drown in an ice hole ... there are a lot of options
    2. Vend
      Vend 12 March 2018 16: 10
      +4
      Quote: Black
      For such a violation, a fine of up to 300 thousand to 500 thousand rubles can be expected or by imprisonment for up to three years with a fine of up to 10-times the amount of bribe (from seven to 12 years with prior conspiracy or commission large scale crimes).
      ... and the term should be counted only from the moment the fine is paid ..... and without any UDO there.

      It's nice to watch how 90's habits break.
      1. poquello
        poquello 12 March 2018 16: 37
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        It's nice to watch how 90's habits break.

        they don’t break it, they’re doing crap instead of improving control over operations, there’s enough foolishness there, fear will also increase, and corporate lawyers, as they set the law by cancer, will put it on
      2. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 17: 42
        +2
        The most ingenious Min.Oborony Marshal Taburetkin warmly supports and approves!
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 12 March 2018 17: 54
          +3
          Quote: Serge Gorely
          The most ingenious Min.Oborony Marshal Taburetkin warmly supports and approves!

          he did more for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation than we put together on the site .... what do you think why he is not sitting?
          1. In100gram
            In100gram 12 March 2018 19: 30
            +1
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            he did more for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation than we put together on the site ..

            Not everyone understands this.
            Although there were excesses. Baba s
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 13 March 2018 08: 13
              +2
              Quote: In100gram
              Although there were excesses. Baba s

              it’s not excesses ... it was originally conceived ... dust in the eyes of partners shit ....
          2. Alf
            Alf 12 March 2018 20: 30
            +2
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            . What do you think why he is not sitting?

            Because "we don’t surrender ours."
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 13 March 2018 08: 18
              +2
              Quote: Alf
              Because "we don’t surrender ours."

              belay fool then we turn on the reasoning - and why is Ulyukaev sitting ????? change the training manual, the whole story with Serdyukov - it was a combination thought out from the very beginning, calculated for every millimeter ..... no one was stealing !! .... the withdrawal of money was initially authorized - in order to convince the adversary that we have all the thieves and that nothing is changing in the army !!
              Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
              I’m already afraid to assume what Chubais did for the country

              Speech is for Serdyukov, and not for you, your friends or Chubais !!!
              1. Alf
                Alf 13 March 2018 18: 06
                +1
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                then turn on the thinker

                Vasilieva also sat. 34 days. Not funny ? Is Ulyuk sitting? Where? In Vorkuta or Norilsklag? Ulyuk was planted to clean the facade before the election. Was Oreshkin appointed, has the course changed significantly?
          3. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 12 March 2018 20: 33
            +1
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            he did more for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation than we put together on the site .... what do you think why he is not sitting?

            I’m already afraid to assume what Chubais did for the country belay
      3. Karabin
        Karabin 12 March 2018 17: 55
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        Nice to watch

        That’s what they learned to produce in Putin’s RF, these are impressions. Enjoy watching. hi
        1. Vend
          Vend 12 March 2018 17: 59
          +2
          Quote: Karabin
          Quote: Wend
          Nice to watch

          That’s what they learned to produce in Putin’s RF, these are impressions. Enjoy watching. hi

          And what is your Russia? Yeltsin or Soviet?
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 12 March 2018 18: 19
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            And what is your Russia?

            Different. And it’s definitely not identical with Putin’s RF.
            1. Vend
              Vend 12 March 2018 18: 39
              +4
              Quote: Karabin
              Quote: Wend
              And what is your Russia?

              Different. And it’s definitely not identical with Putin’s RF.

              Everything is clear with you.
              1. Serge Gorely
                Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 21: 41
                +2
                Quote: Wend
                Quote: Karabin
                Quote: Wend
                And what is your Russia?

                Different. And it’s definitely not identical with Putin’s RF.

                Everything is clear with you.

                Campaign Solzhenitsyn ..
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 12 March 2018 16: 13
      +3
      300-500 t rub, not enough for many officials is a couple of salaries. Raise to a few million! Better up to a few dozen. And the term is normal, but maybe it’s worth it will be limited immediately to the term, officials seem to be thinking people, I didn’t know the excuse here. Immediately deadline, no penalty!
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 12 March 2018 16: 25
        +10
        As a result, two new articles are proposed for the Criminal Code. One of them introduces liability for “abuses in the procurement of goods, works, services to meet state or municipal needs,” punishment for it can be a fine of up to 200 thousand rubles, or imprisonment for up to three years (up to seven years in the event of prior agreement or significant damage).
        Affiget! wassat That is, Sechin for the caviar-napkin holder escaped-would maximum two hundred logs !!! And at our expense !!! No words, some mats !!!!! am
      2. Crowe
        Crowe 12 March 2018 16: 28
        +13
        Elections, elections! What had he been thinking about before? Didn’t such problems exist before?
        Now all the most populist will be offered.
        1. Bulrumeb
          Bulrumeb 12 March 2018 17: 45
          +1
          Elections, elections! What had he been thinking about before?

          I thought exactly that. Yes, and the proposal from the series and eat the fish and ... ride a bike. the penalty of a fine of 300 thousand to 500 thousand rubles or by imprisonment for a term of up to three years with a fine of up to 10 times the amount of bribery is a laugh. Many convicts paid these fines? And to pull a three-ruble note, especially with the possibility of parole and then use the honestly stolen, so believe me, it won’t scare.
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    4. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 12 March 2018 16: 44
      +1
      Quote: Black
      For such a violation, a fine of up to 300 thousand to 500 thousand rubles can be expected or by imprisonment for up to three years with a fine of up to 10-times the amount of bribe (from seven to 12 years with prior conspiracy or commission large scale crimes).
      ... and the term should be counted only from the moment the fine is paid ..... and without any UDO there.

      In general, it is better to first nationalize the Central Bank of Russia, Sberbank ... To control all cash flows, the state to get the right to print and control rubles. Replace these shameful bills (current rubles) with a real Russian ruble so that the real emblem of the Russian Federation is on the banknotes, and it was written not "Bank of Russia", but "State Bank of Russia". I hope that after the election, Putin will still take control of the Bank of Russia from the striped and IMF. With full control of cash flows, it will be more difficult to steal, but thieves in Russia have been and will be, they must be imprisoned for corruption and state theft for periods of 10 years or more with complete confiscation of property.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 12 March 2018 18: 03
        +5
        Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
        I hope that after the election, Putin will still take control of the Bank of Russia from the striped and IMF.

        Holy simplicity. 18 years did not take, and suddenly on those.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 12 March 2018 17: 03
      +1
      Taki on parole will not be released until the fine is paid. A fine of 1-2 monthly salaries for bureaucrats is a punishment. winked Confiscation must be entered.
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 12 March 2018 16: 02
    +1
    You pododayut, but you do not steal!
    A thief should sit in jail!
    1. The black
      The black 12 March 2018 16: 04
      +4
      Quote: Thrall
      A thief should sit in jail

      Better yet, hang on a tree smile
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 12 March 2018 16: 40
        +1
        Quote: Black
        Better yet, hang on a tree
        So that's the point of decorating the Christmas tree!
        Hint!
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 12 March 2018 17: 55
          0
          Quote: Thrall
          A thief should sit in jail!

          so percent 80 of the population should be planted !!
      2. poquello
        poquello 12 March 2018 16: 44
        0
        Quote: Black
        Quote: Thrall
        A thief should sit in jail

        Better yet, hang on a tree smile

        and it’s even better to exclude the very possibility of theft, but it’s necessary to work with the brain
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 12 March 2018 20: 40
          +2
          Quote: poquello
          and even better to exclude the very possibility of theft,

          so stopping is much cheaper)), but here you have to catch, investigate, judge, feed, guard, sew clothes, build cameras, - in the end, no one canceled the decree on the creation of 25 lemons of high-tech jobs fellow
    2. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: Thrall
      You pododayut, but you do not steal!
      A thief should sit in jail!

      And Shura Vasilyeva purred on her nose: "I don’t care, but I don’t care!"
    3. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 12 March 2018 17: 49
      0
      You are all alternatively gifted. You first work on a contract for a year or so at least see how much you need to buy office supplies for 5 thousand rubles. And the fines there and so non-fake, and put more and.
  3. rruvim
    rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 03
    +14
    The foreman woke up! He began in the morning after the night with the "gymnast" and woke up. He stood on his left foot. And he was horrified at the procurement. I woke up at last! And he came up with a law that is delusional from beginning to end!
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 12 March 2018 16: 06
      +5
      the training manual was updated or you are controlled by an electric current through the Internet there and if you don’t unsubscribe in the topic about Putin, you get a discharge from across the ocean
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 13
        +9
        Yes, you read the story! It seems that the foreman was left alone. I personally, gu, I'm for Grudinin!
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 12 March 2018 16: 56
          +2
          Quote: rruvim
          I personally, gu, I'm for Grudinin!

          And why are you exactly for Grudinin? Do you know him? Is he a true communist? Has he shown himself and is worthy of entrusting him with a country? He is put forward by people with iron authority? Why?
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 10
            +3
            He is not a communist. Of course, he read Marx ... I also read. We were taught this in the early 80's. He is just a normal person. I don’t even know him. But people said that he was normal. And the people who said that he was normal are normal themselves. And then the “disputes” that took place in the kitchen in Brateevo assured me that Grudinin was “our president”.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 12 March 2018 17: 23
              +5
              Quote: rruvim
              He is not a communist.

              But it is advanced by left-wing forces, which suggests that I don’t care with anyone just to get into powerrecourse
              Quote: rruvim
              He is just a normal person.

              No, he is not a normal person, a normal person does not squeeze his own state farm people, so the bandits do request
              Quote: rruvim
              I don’t even know him.

              Willingly believe.


              Quote: rruvim
              But people said that he was normal. And the people who said that he was normal are normal themselves.

              Normal people about strangers, especially with such a track record as your candidate, can only talk about such people in the kitchen and in a very traumatic condition drinks
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 44
                +1
                Vlad! Understand ... Here is the choice of people. someone will vote, someone from the morning "roll". But I have children, they study at universities, and there is "normalization", they talk about it directly! He came, voted for the Foreman, then they left your place in the Dormitory.
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 12 March 2018 20: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: rruvim
                  But I have children, they study at universities, and there is "normalization", they talk about it directly!

                  Well let's tell us how they will report, how they voted winked You are a provocateur of pure water yes
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 54
                    +2
                    I am not a provocateur, I am stating a pure fact. If you want to study in Baumanka, go vote for the Foreman!
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 12 March 2018 20: 56
                      0
                      Quote: rruvim
                      I am not a provocateur, I am stating a pure fact.

                      And you didn’t answer the question!
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Well let's tell us how they will report, how they voted
                      1. rruvim
                        rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 12
                        +1
                        Easy! A simple question, a simple answer ... Have you been to Vasilyevsky Descent? My son is an elder, he asked ...
              2. rruvim
                rruvim 12 March 2018 22: 08
                +1
                You can’t argue with you ... It’s just not possible. Approximately: a neighbor bought a car - Renault Logan. Of course he is a bastard. Of course!
            2. Serge Gorely
              Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 21: 24
              0
              Quote: rruvim
              He is not a communist. Of course, he read Marx ... I also read. We were taught this in the early 80's. He is just a normal person. I don’t even know him. But people said that he was normal. And the people who said that he was normal are normal themselves. And then the “disputes” that took place in the kitchen in Brateevo assured me that Grudinin was “our president”.

              Yeah. And about Borka Alkasha they said that he was silver-free and finally a genius !!!
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 38
                0
                He spoke of Borka drunk, as of Borka drunk. And Zyuganov was baptized in the bath. I even know who the Priest was. Anyway, this is not about Grudinin. He is just a normal person.
          2. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 12 March 2018 17: 23
            +2
            Quote: You Vlad
            Do you know him? He is a true communist? He showed himself and deserves to be entrusted to him with a country? He is put forward by people with iron authority? Why?

            as then the same thing was asked
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 12 March 2018 17: 27
              +1
              Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
              as then the same thing was asked

              People voted? For whom? For me it’s necessary to ask yourself the right questions when you go to the polls yes
          3. rruvim
            rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 02
            +1
            He’s not a communist! By and large, they were gone and never were. He is just a national socialist ...
          4. rruvim
            rruvim 12 March 2018 22: 01
            +1
            Vlad He is just a man. Well, sometimes there are men ...
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 12 March 2018 16: 46
      +10
      Quote: rruvim
      The foreman woke up! He began in the morning after the night with the "gymnast" and woke up. He stood on his left foot. And he was horrified at the procurement. I woke up at last! And he came up with a law that is delusional from beginning to end!

      Better suggest, just get up from the morning after the night with the “milkmaid”, stand on your right foot and offer a better, stupid nonsense called 20 steps, a request not to offer, I’ve read and heard this since 1994, when the Communist Party won the majority in the State Duma, things are still there hi
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 56
        +4
        It doesn’t matter to me what the Communist Party of the Russian Federation won; I know that it’s "punctured". Itself was in the "Beloi" house. And the 20 steps of Grudinin, precisely these phrases, are shared by many people, I assure you. Including me. And I personally do not see any contradictions there. If you want, enter the discourse ...
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 12 March 2018 17: 16
          +7
          Quote: rruvim
          And I personally do not see any contradictions there. If you want, enter the discourse ...

          I don’t see the point in the discussion. Firstly, I’m tired of srach and agitprom from all sides and I don’t want to participate in it. Secondly, you are not a young man and I am not a young man, neither can I convince you or dump me against Zyuganovskaya’s “foreman” kompanii.a Grudinin is just a "foreman" in this company, and I won’t be a "plowman." hi
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 25
            +1
            I respect your position.
  4. tun5t
    tun5t 12 March 2018 16: 03
    +4
    Off-topic, but why the Supreme does not have a legal wife. I see that he began to talk more nervously with women in an interview than before the divorce from his wife.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 12 March 2018 16: 05
      +6
      keep watching
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 12 March 2018 16: 14
        +4
        Quote: Thrall
        keep watching

        laughing laughing
        hi
    2. The black
      The black 12 March 2018 16: 05
      +2
      Quote: tun5t
      Off-topic, but why the Supreme does not have a legal wife

      Do you want to propose your candidacy? smile
      1. tun5t
        tun5t 12 March 2018 16: 08
        +2
        No, I propose your candidacy ... Do not mind? laughing
        1. The black
          The black 12 March 2018 16: 15
          +3
          Quote: tun5t
          No, I propose your candidacy ... Do not mind?

          Sholi pimp? wink ...
          1. tun5t
            tun5t 12 March 2018 16: 24
            +2
            Never been, but for the sake of Russia's stability I can try wink
    3. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 15
      +3
      He stated that he married Russia ...
      1. tun5t
        tun5t 12 March 2018 16: 22
        +1
        God has determined the rules for all of us, deviations from those are punished, sometimes not noticeably, yet ...
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 29
          0
          If we get into theology, then deviations from the rules are not punished, I assure you! God loves people, even those who break the rules! Only and ... m are not forgiven, but the Foreman before the Elections does just that ...
      2. Alf
        Alf 12 March 2018 20: 36
        +1
        Quote: rruvim
        He stated that he married Russia ...

        Russia shuddered ..
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 46
          +1
          Not only Russia! I shuddered ... sad
          1. Alf
            Alf 12 March 2018 20: 48
            0
            Quote: rruvim
            Not only Russia! I shuddered ... sad

            Gone, but ... stock up on hand grease.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 55
              0
              I understand ... I myself was scared ...
    4. Alf
      Alf 12 March 2018 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: tun5t
      Off-topic, but why the Supreme does not have a legal wife. I see that he began to talk more nervously with women in an interview than before the divorce from his wife.

      In the light of the law proposed by him ..
  5. ltc35
    ltc35 12 March 2018 16: 07
    +9
    At the beginning of the year, a “massacre” is taking place at the tenders for state purchases. Contractors drop prices unacceptably. As a result, the winner is forced to save on virtually everything. As a result, quality suffers. We need to come up with a different mechanism for public procurement, and not play cat and mouse.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 14
      +2
      absolutely agree!
    2. Jack_jr
      Jack_jr 12 March 2018 17: 27
      +1
      in the office of the bankruptcy trustee there is a poster: "Now in Russia there are 3 woes - fools, roads and fz44"

      It seems to be a good idea, but in real life - a terrible horror. Like many attempts of our pancake government
  6. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 12 March 2018 16: 11
    +3
    There should also be a mechanism for monitoring all procurement procedures. Each movement so that the camera was recorded during the tender, with the participation of national commissions of various departments, with the shuffling of their composition. It is clear that this is not for all tenders, but with a price, for example, over 1 million rubles.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 21
      +1
      There is no control. Yes, he can not be. The term of public procurement is 15 working days. No Normal organization will be able to organize a Sale during these periods if you do not have insider information ...
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 12 March 2018 16: 50
        +4
        Quote: rruvim
        There is no control. Yes, he can not be. The term of public procurement is 15 working days. No Normal organization will be able to organize a Sale during these periods if you do not have insider information ...

        15 working days - this is for the placement of the lot. Organizations who need it are guided by the procurement plan and prepare a preliminary set of documents. Without insider information you can freely do if the procurement is not drawn up through a causal place.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 13
          +1
          To go nuts! You should already be a millionaire! And I through State procurements in two years, only sold two machines ...
        2. poquello
          poquello 12 March 2018 20: 53
          0
          Quote: Alex-a832
          Organizations who need it are guided by the procurement plan and prepare a preliminary set of documents.

          )) if in the lot it is completely incomprehensible what the customer needs (and I saw such) without additional requests, then we can imagine what was in the procurement plan
        3. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 22: 04
          0
          Alex, you already gave insider information. But I assure you, everything is done wrong!
    2. poquello
      poquello 12 March 2018 16: 54
      +1
      Quote: Alex-a832
      There must be more to this

      quite simple and corny - expert organizations for monitoring the market and the purity of transactions
  7. groks
    groks 12 March 2018 16: 13
    +7
    Who is against it. Only there the crooks are either friends of the GDP or children of friends. So don't shake the air.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 12 March 2018 16: 40
      +4
      not true ... friends with children do without any tenders ... not their level ... everything is "on trust" ...
      and before the elections you can’t tell me anything ... plus and nice people ...
  8. ivagulin
    ivagulin 12 March 2018 16: 17
    +1
    SUGGESTIONS again when there will be real instructions with a measure of responsibility
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 12 March 2018 16: 31
    +2
    “Another article establishes a punishment for bribing a contract service employee, a contract manager or a member of a procurement commission.” ... may establish another bureaucratic service in Russia ... "Contract procurement service for budget organizations"... united throughout the country ... to deprive the budgetary authorities of their independence on procurement ... during the Soviet era there was such a thing, the Gosplan was called, do the factory and you will be informed from whom and at what price and when you will buy ... and each the director himself in the field.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 33
      +3
      Exactly! Therefore, the proposal of the Foreman is delusional in essence!
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 12 March 2018 18: 13
        +1
        Quote: rruvim
        Therefore, the proposal of the Foreman is delusional in essence!

        As far as I understand your Brigadier Grudinin! About our head of state, Russia, I ask you not to give in this way, this is disrespect to everyone who voted for him and will vote, and there are most of them! There is public space here, please respect the opinions of others.
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 March 2018 20: 38
          +1
          Quote: You Vlad
          to all who voted for him and will vote, and most of them!

          And who told you that here
          Quote: You Vlad
          most of these
          ? Did you consider it yourself?
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 12 March 2018 20: 51
            +1
            I don’t understand what’s happening to you with all the Grudinovites? recourse
            Quote: You Vlad
            this is disrespect for everyone who voted for him and will vote, and there are most of them! Here is public space
            1. Alf
              Alf 12 March 2018 20: 53
              +1
              Answer the question - Where did you get that the majority of Zaputinians are here? Give the numbers. Do not leave the topic.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 12 March 2018 21: 04
                +1
                Well, it's just a bad case. recourse
                You think with your head yes
                Here is a public space, the majority of the country's inhabitants voted for Putin V.V. and now he has a rating of 70%! I think that is insulting towards them, if only because of this! Well, since you do not respect the president, he did a lot for Russia .
                1. Alf
                  Alf 12 March 2018 21: 24
                  +3
                  Think about it, and then count it.
                  At the 2012 elections, 60 people voted for Putin with a penny%. Of the total population of the country, about 60% also came to the polls. That is, of those who came for Putin, a little more than half voted. And if all 100% of the population came, then Putin would receive no more than 30% of the number of people who came. Here is his true number of followers. And the rating, so looking WHERE to consider it.
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                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 12 March 2018 21: 45
                    0
                    I have not forgotten, I know that about 70% of the oil produced goes directly to the budget of the Russian Federation yes
                    Quote: Alf
                    And if

                    Yes, if yes
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 12 March 2018 22: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      I have not forgotten, I know that about 70% of the oil produced goes directly to the budget of the Russian Federation

                      And where is the remaining 30%?
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Quote: Alf
                      And if
                      Yes, if

                      Didn't like the numbers? Nothing to say ? It will be interesting to look at the numbers of these elections.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 12 March 2018 22: 38
                        +5
                        Quote: Alf
                        And where is the remaining 30%?

                        Alf, turn off already, ahem ... a talented military man.
                        Repair and replacement of equipment, staff salaries ... a lot of everything and different. But note useful.
                        PS: SchA will be a cry about millions of Miller wassat
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 05
          +1
          Brigadier is GDP, This is clear to everyone ...
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 12 March 2018 21: 09
            +2
            Quote: rruvim
            Brigadier is GDP, This is clear to everyone ...

            Yes, everyone already understands that you are a fat Troll and a provocateur. yes
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 32
              +2
              I don’t seem to be a troll, I drink vodka. What about a provocateur? Read this meaning first, even in Roman law, even in Our Legislation. But I insist that legally the words of the Foreman are meaningless ...
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 37
      +2
      In fact of the matter! For Russia, you need a GOSPLAN. It is so obvious that even my children broadcast about it!
      1. Alf
        Alf 12 March 2018 20: 39
        0
        Quote: rruvim
        For Russia, you need a GOSPLAN.

        GOSPLAN is a synonym for the word SOCIALISM, and even this word, not that ideas in the Kremlin are afraid like fire.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 07
          0
          Exactly. GOSPLAN - these are Russian people, and even Jews, but they knew what to do!
  10. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 12 March 2018 16: 35
    +3
    Yes, even get stiff! They will pay the prosecutor and the judge and come out of the water dry.
    Now clever-assed judges pushed the amendment to the Code of Civil Procedure where, in order to consider the appeal, a separate “judge” is allowed to decide whether or not to consider the appeal. Uye. Cassation is not considered, and the Supreme Court does not accept without appeal.
    A noose around the neck of a law-abiding citizen has swept ...
    Details here https://m.vk.com/id453567502
  11. tchoni
    tchoni 12 March 2018 16: 40
    +2
    There and so in the public procurement only thieves get ... and now only thieves from thieves will be ....
  12. Wilderness
    Wilderness 12 March 2018 16: 40
    0
    But what have the old articles of the Criminal Code (treason to the Motherland, theft on an especially large scale, fraud, etc.) already deteriorated? Need new, fresh articles?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 12 March 2018 18: 08
      +1
      New Elections - New Articles!
  13. Dormidont
    Dormidont 12 March 2018 16: 40
    +1
    It is enough to abolish the shameful moratorium on the death penalty imposed on us by the universal people.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 12 March 2018 16: 52
      +3
      with our judges then ???? ... in figs in figs ... the 37th flowers will seem ...
      1. cats
        cats 12 March 2018 17: 48
        +2
        Quote: kepmor
        37th flowers seem ..

        So you decide .. To tighten or not to tighten?
        Anyway, the "foreman" is bad .. laughing
  14. rruvim
    rruvim 12 March 2018 16: 45
    +6
    Everyone needs to understand! Just to understand ... The foreman blurted out nonsense. Some bastards voted for him, obviously not I. But the law that he voiced before obscure elections is stupid! Just stupid! And that’s it!
    1. cats
      cats 12 March 2018 17: 51
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      stupid! Just stupid! And that’s it!

      Baba Yaga Protiff ... laughing
      That will put your chairman as a thief ... then who will you campaign for? tongue
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 05
        0
        And who do you think is a Thief?
  15. Strashila
    Strashila 12 March 2018 16: 46
    0
    The actions of any state in the first place should be directed not to toughen legislation, but to prevent illegal actions .. adding two plus two to the state is not difficult ... too lazy ... to trace the path from the manufacturer to the consumer ... but nothing ... and see how much the state is losing in real life ... just horror ... okay, what corruption it is breeding ... here it’s just horror in a cube, all the initial information is from the tax authorities and customs officers ... but as the people say, laziness is before us was born.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 01
      0
      This is the complexity of the State! The issue is easily resolved, well, with my bell tower. Just give the people money! And that’s it! in! 917th did not work, in 2018 [b] [/ b] Explicitly succeed.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 12 March 2018 17: 15
        +1
        But the point ... this is not a hello to improving life, but to deterioration ... if you tell the people that he will receive the ruble ... then his costs, in the form of prices, in the first place, will already rise by two today. I remember in 89 the government raised the purchase price of oil by 7%, something like that ... the result of this, the representative of the oil industry almost said obscenities ... so that they (the government) wouldn’t do it better, the price at which he should to buy materials for the industry grew ... tadam !!! ... in two and everyone told him ... you raised the purchase prices, but as you would like, our costs rose the same, and this was during the planned economy. In today's reality, where the money will mainly go ... the market ... the store ... housing and communal services ... and the next day this money will leave Russia ... they will not join the economy of our country on the second round ... anything, but not ours.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 32
          +1
          You do not like people! Most likely they didn’t even go to “Crossroads” together with “NIM (with the people)”. And I tell you, give the people money! Just give the money.! And look what happens ... It's not that money in 1918, after the first and Civil Wars ...
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 59
          0
          There is a simple answer to your message. He is so simple that he is just SCARY. Just give people money! Any ... I assure you the people will figure it out ...
  16. Lenivets2
    Lenivets2 12 March 2018 17: 09
    +2
    Well, in the field of public procurement, it is necessary, first of all, to transplant the directors of factories of manufacturers of element base and assemblers (that is, all directors of the military industrial complex).
    ps one of many personal examples: when one, the most insignificant filter cell in a block (in which there are 4 capacitors and two chokes) is injected with MO of 1,5 million rubles, this is beyond good and evil! hi
    ps 2. They push the cost of accountants, development (of what was developed 40 years ago), margins, profits, salaries to the whole plant and much, much more into the cost of each fucking capacitor.
    And it turns out that a Chinese (at least no worse) transistor, capacitor, resistor ... costs hundreds and thousands of times cheaper than domestic ones.
    And in proportion to the cost, the finished devices are delivered to the MO.
    ps 3. I do not mean that you need to buy Chinese, but to the fact that someone needs to moderate their appetites. hi
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 19
      +3
      Simple question, simple answer! At the Avangard plant there was a director who began as an engineer (at this Plant) in 1978, and now he has been replaced by the manager Vedrov. which is a specialist in greenhouses. And the Vanguard of the rocket does ...
      1. Lenivets2
        Lenivets2 12 March 2018 17: 23
        0
        This is a local squabble and politics in the concern.
        The directors are sorry (they made a scapegoat out of deadlines .... to which he had nothing to do), but this is unlikely to affect the production of Vanguard products.
        And talking about a breakdown is somewhat premature. hi
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 38
          +2
          Although I am an outsider, I am offended. There was clearly a "setup" ... With this "Sechin" ... It's just that the whole Brigadier’s policy is somehow incomprehensible. But I can not understand the meaning of the war in Syria. And the new Law on Public Procurement is simply mixed ...
          1. Lenivets2
            Lenivets2 12 March 2018 17: 45
            0
            "But I cannot understand the meaning of the war in Syria."
            What is there to understand?
            There are hundreds of good reasons.
            Here are a few for example:
            strengthening influence in the middle east
            strengthening influence in global politics
            test of our weapons
            advertising our weapons
            testing tactics
            conflict officer posting
            infrastructure restoration contracts
            oil production contracts
            arms restoration contracts .......................................
            ..
            ps this is only a small part hi
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 12 March 2018 18: 01
              +1
              I served at the Sary-Shagan training ground, so the 3rd point is in the red;
              Strengthening influence in the Middle East - complete nonsense 1 Just think ...
              Strengthening influence in global politics - not discussed ...
              Testing tactics - we are still practicing it, especially with Wagner PMCs;
              Escort of officers through the Conflict - accepted, especially after the crash of the AN-26
              Financial contracts for the supply of oil and gas were not discussed, and were not planned.
              The war in Syria is needed only in order for there to be a war. For the Foreman, war is like Ambrose ...
              Let's list ...
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 12 March 2018 18: 03
                +1
                I enumerate:
                1993;
                2001;
                2008
                etc.
              2. Lenivets2
                Lenivets2 12 March 2018 18: 06
                0
                "I served at the Sary-Shagan training ground, so that the 3rd point is negative;"
                that is, do you think that the landfill is a panacea, and war is garbage?
                You’ll immediately have a minus (what comes out in real conditions at the test site does not even come close, unfortunately).
                And do not you think that the equipment that we use at the training ground and the one that the enemy uses in the war is slightly different in parameters?
                "Strengthening influence in the Middle East - complete nonsense 1 Just think ..."
                And ....?
                "Testing tactics - we are still practicing it, especially with Wagner PMCs;"
                Ahhh, I realized that it’s not necessary to refine tactics; there are the statutes of the first world! good
                "Financial contracts for the supply of oil and gas were not discussed, and were not planned."
                Did you hold a candle?

                This concludes the trepidation. hi
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 08
                  +1
                  Do not finish!
                  Truth is always important!
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 12
                    +1
                    The theme here is that after 18 years of rule, the foreman decided he decided that there were violations of the state startups. Did he sleep all 18 years?
                2. rruvim
                  rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 50
                  0
                  "Holding a candle" ...
                3. rruvim
                  rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 03
                  +1
                  War is not bullshit! Moreover, she is not bullshit! Therefore, a reasonable person does not allow it! This is an axiom!
    2. ltc35
      ltc35 12 March 2018 18: 55
      0
      So the state system is so set up. Taxes, RF, energy, transport taxes, VAT, rent. All in all, and not add to the penny capacitor - this is the price of the product.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 12 March 2018 19: 26
        +1
        The fact of the matter is that the State should be a State? Or is it not clear? It must pay the right people, just pay! Look at how many salaries are offered to Makeevka engineers. In nete can be found. It's not only funny, it's scary! I will not vote for this "eternal" president!
  17. Chichikov
    Chichikov 12 March 2018 17: 17
    +1
    There is no law, it’s bad to appear, it’s still bad or not enough - this is the message of some comments. Only not everyone wants to understand the intricacies of legislative conspiracy theories. In fact, there is a legislative and executive branch of government, and lawmakers take care of "their beloved ones" as deposits in a Swiss bank! Apparently for some, the phrase GDP, that he can’t control everyone even in the Administration (“Look, Peskov sits opposite, my spokesperson. He sometimes carries such a blizzard. I watch on TV and think what he says there?” Who entrusted this to him? ”Putin said.), Simply, another election chip.
    We ourselves do not control everything in our family "economy", constantly making excuses and looking for reasons for this in factors and events independent of our desire.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 17: 49
      +1
      The fact of the matter is that the Foreman took full responsibility. GDP and the Presidential Administration is one Man! Here is such a "Parsley" ...
  18. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 12 March 2018 17: 19
    +3
    What's the point? Only the size of the bribe will increase to avoid punishment. All these are half measures and populism.
  19. nod739
    nod739 12 March 2018 17: 54
    +4
    it’s high time, and when you see on the invoice that the printer delivered to the Korolev’s garden for children costs 54 thousand (and the company that “won” the tender from the local administration supplies the printer), the same printer in a computer store costs 17 thousand at retail , then you understand that the power is simply WITHOUT A FROZEN MEASURE. and instead of the 1st garden, you could equip THREE !!!
  20. Karabin
    Karabin 12 March 2018 18: 11
    +5
    Golem pre-election dummy.
  21. Karabin
    Karabin 12 March 2018 19: 21
    0
    Quote: AUL
    But probably in a castrated form.

    Why castrate there?
  22. rruvim
    rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 08
    +1
    Will he live forever?
  23. Antokha
    Antokha 12 March 2018 20: 25
    0
    I am a private person, I do not own any legal entity, I earn money by labor, and I can afford such fines. "Abuse in the procurement of goods, works, services to meet state or municipal needs" is profitable! Here "up to 10 times the amount" - this is a conversation. But here we are only talking about bribery. Since our legislators do not know how to count, I propose such a general ratio of fines to prison terms: how much would I be willing to give so as not to be in prison MINIMUM for this article? Please note that the minimum period is not specified. Suppose he is a year. So if they plant me, how much will I offer to pay off? That should be the minimum penalty. Most likely, it will be 10 million. You have to take a loan, a kind of anti-mortgage, so as NOT to be in a new place of residence.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 20: 35
      0
      These numbers come to mind! That is, if you are a "small entrepreneur", you fall under this law! Oligarchs do not fall for PRINCIPLE OF FGUPOV!
      1. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 21: 34
        0
        A bunch of candidates. On this site, a couple of anxious agitates ONLY for Grudinin. Grudinin billionaire + hackneyed accounts in Switzerland. Coincidence? I don’t think so ...
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 49
          +1
          Well, you need to think! Yes, he is a billionaire, yes! He has accounts in Switzerland! Yes! His daughter studied in Cambridge with her daughter Putin. Yes! He is an oligarch! But mine!
          1. Serge Gorely
            Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 21: 53
            0
            Boryusik, too, you understand, there was one, yeah .... We have not chosen yet.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 12 March 2018 21: 58
              +1
              Not important! This is just politics !!! Thank God not war! We already know that the team leader will be the president! They just pointed it out to us ... And that’s it !!!
              1. Serge Gorely
                Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 22: 06
                0
                There is persistent suspicion - after the ban on Jehovah's Witnesses, part of the adherents switched to veneration of the Oval, part of His Holiness the Strawberry.
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim 12 March 2018 22: 15
                  +1
                  Nonsense! And you know that. Alexey Navalny is just a Russian citizen. His brother is "sitting." But Grudinin has nothing to do with “strawberries”, his business is building materials and logistics.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 12 March 2018 22: 22
                    +5
                    Quote: rruvim
                    And Grudinin has nothing to do with “strawberries”

                    But what about ZAO Lennon? belay
                    Quote: rruvim
                    ... his business building materials and logistics

                    And more in any way from now on?
        2. Alf
          Alf 12 March 2018 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: Serge Gorely
          swaggered accounts in Switzerland.

          Yes. why no one asks Vova about HIS accounts? Or an iPhone? Disinterested?
          1. Serge Gorely
            Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 23: 04
            0
            Well, so who interferes? The NKVD will send to Kolyma?
          2. Seraphimamur
            Seraphimamur 13 March 2018 10: 36
            0
            The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation has an article for defamation. Do not run up.
  24. Technician72
    Technician72 13 March 2018 00: 29
    +1
    What, honey versus bees? Or vice versa?
  25. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 13 March 2018 10: 35
    0
    Theft during public procurement is a direct damage to the state budget and this should be considered as treason with all that it implies.