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Germany is "doomed" to buy F-35

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The German government is looking for a replacement for the aging fighter-bombers Panavia Tornado, reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal defensenews.com and at the same time, the Luftwaffe has no alternative to the F-35 Lightning II.


As Daniel Gure, vice president of the Lexington Institute, writes in his article, by the 2025, the Panavia Tornado fighter-bombers of the German Air Force will have exhausted their resources and should be written off. In addition to them, the Luftwaffe has more than 130 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets (a total of 180 units have been ordered), and many consider the Typhoon to be a full-fledged replacement for the Tornado, but there is one “but”.

Germany is "doomed" to buy F-35

Panavia Tornado Fighter-Bomber


As part of NATO commitments, Germany must have a certain number of aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapon (B61 bombs). None of the modifications Eurofighter Typhoon is not adapted to work with such weapons. Thus, in order to fulfill its obligations in the North Atlantic Alliance, by 2025, Germany will have to purchase a certain number of new fighters capable of using "NATO" nuclear weapons.

Gourah believes that the country has no alternative to purchasing F-35. Despite the intentions of the Germans to build a new "European" fighter, by the year 2025 they will not have time to do it. Thus, Germany has no choice but to purchase a certain number of American F-35 fighter jets, adapted to the use of nuclear weapons (they must be created by 2020 year), and then continue to develop a new-generation European fighter.
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  1. maxim947
    maxim947 12 March 2018 12: 16
    +3
    The advancement of their armaments, and even practically forcibly, was probably the main reason for the creation of the PIN dos of NATa, so everything seems to be logical)
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 12 March 2018 12: 19
      +8
      Mavrodi didn’t need to create “MMM”, but create NATO. That pyramid smile
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 12 March 2018 12: 54
        +3
        My question is: and by 2025. will the Americans have time for the Germans to make these F-35s? They now have half can’t fly. With invisibility problems - all coatings fall off. Wang, that this venture will not drive. hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 March 2018 13: 15
          +5
          The question is good. The United States plant is fully loaded for years to come.
          In addition to the main customers - the Air Force, Navy and Marines - aircraft are waiting in another 10 countries.
          Due to fears of lower build quality, the plant does not reach full capacity yet 16-18
          planes per month. Either they will have to build another assembly plant (or plants) at home, or they will increase the productivity of plants in Japan and Italy.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 12 March 2018 13: 26
            +4
            I propose to place an order for the construction of F-35 in China. There are enough specialists, only to deliver equipment ...
            In Russia, of course, it is impossible. Here all the hackers from infancy, they push the viruses with remote control
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 12 March 2018 13: 28
              +4
              The Chinese “hacked” part of the F-35 documentation more than 10 years ago.
              And they made their "penguin", which will soon go into production.
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 12 March 2018 13: 31
            +2
            Shalom! There, the problem is not so much in the assembly, but in the capacity utilization and the inability to supply spare parts for already manufactured and delivered units.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 12 March 2018 13: 40
              +3
              Do not have time to update the software on early aircraft to bring them
              up to 100% readiness. The software update itself does not take much time.
              Checking the functioning of the latest software packages takes time:
              flights on 9 G, all weapon systems, "scanning" of the earth by radar, diagnostics
              aircraft systems. There is a certain system of checks. At military bases yet
              there are not enough experienced teams of technicians who have learned to do this quickly.
              And in the assembly time it takes to neatly cover the joints of the parts with a stealth coating, which
              slows down the assembly.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 12 March 2018 17: 28
                0
                it follows from all that you wrote that statements about the extremely long pre-flight preparation of the aircraft are not a myth but a fact. All these operations are carried out before each departure.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 12 March 2018 18: 58
                  0
                  You did not understand my post.
                  I wrote NOT about inter-flight service, but
                  about disposable "Upgrades" of airplanes.
                  The upgrade includes: 1) recording the latest software version and
                  2) its functional verification in flight and on the ground.
                  When ALL issued planes receive the last “block” of software,
                  these procedures are no longer needed.
                  1. amr
                    amr 12 March 2018 23: 23
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    about inter-flight service, and
                    about disposable "Upgrades" of airplanes.

                    Well, they upgraded the software 1 time, and after six months a new upgrade ???????
                    if the upgrade is 1 time why it won’t be made right at the factory after assembly ???
                    this one is like a smartphone, the update current is not once a month but once a year, but judging by how you described it is being tested, it's a scribe!
                  2. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 14 March 2018 17: 04
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The upgrade includes: 1) recording the latest software version and
                    2) its functional verification in flight and on the ground.

                    in terms of??? ie for each F-35 software installation is a very individual process? that is, the software that worked fine on one F-35 can critically fail on the second same F-35? them there chtol creative designers do?
                    Tell me, doesn’t they conduct a “functional check” before departures? How is pre-flight verification different from verification after a software update? As far as I know, pre-flight verification involves checking the functionality of all nodes. What is additionally checked when updating the software? I'm not kidding, I really don’t understand what needs to be done there for so long ????
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 14 March 2018 17: 11
                      +1
                      These are different checks. There are instructions for pre-flight checks,
                      and there is an instruction for checks after upgrades.
                      When all previously issued (more than 200) aircraft will go through the last upgrade (100% combat readiness), then all the turmoil will end. For those planes that are leaving the production line now, software upgrades are no longer needed.
                      Israel, too, received part of the planes not with the latest software.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 12 March 2018 14: 19
          0
          Well, they’ll make defective ones, soak the lackeys and such are normal ...
          And they made their "penguin", which will soon go into production.

          Perhaps it will be better fu and the Germans should have bought it laughing although who in the occupied country will allow such liberties recourse
    2. CHARM
      CHARM 12 March 2018 12: 24
      +5
      Quote: maxim947
      The advancement of their armaments, and even practically forcibly, was probably the main reason for the creation of the PIN dos of NATa, so everything seems to be logical)

      Right. NATO is not only a military alliance, but also essentially a financial pyramid, in which only the top is enriched. And these are US military corporations. Europeans drove themselves into this bondage, lying under the United States. But that is the essence of European politics that Europeans change their shoes very quickly. It is enough to look at Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, the same Poland ... I won’t be surprised at all if in a short time some European countries begin to ask for the lifting of sanctions from the Russian Federation. And this is not from great love for us, but simply because the balance of power is changing.
    3. Chertt
      Chertt 12 March 2018 12: 57
      +4
      The topic is not new. But to speak. that Germany is "doomed" to buy the F-35 incorrectly. There are several alternative solutions. Although the fact that the United States is pushing its "penguins" with all their might is a fact
      1. cats
        cats 12 March 2018 15: 13
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        There are several alternative solutions.

        Dissolve Natu, send striped and do what works well,
        civilian products. hi
  2. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 12 March 2018 12: 17
    +1
    Here are the Americans beetles) Everywhere fussed. What they need to learn from them! And Germany is sorry, she’s become a puppet.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 March 2018 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: bazzbazz
      Here are the Americans beetles) Everywhere fussed. What they need to learn from them! And Germany is sorry, she’s become a puppet.

      because they are leaders in the arms market, if you want, you don’t want, but buy ...
  3. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 12: 19
    0
    Does Germany have the right to possess nuclear weapons (?)
    1. major071
      major071 12 March 2018 12: 26
      +7
      All nuclear weapons stored in Germany belong to the United States and are located at their bases, which are actually the territory of the United States. According to the NATO doctrine, in the event of a nuclear war, the United States can arm its nuclear weapons allies.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 12 March 2018 12: 35
      +8
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      Does Germany have the right to possess nuclear weapons (?)

      Currently, US nuclear bombs are deployed in four EU countries - Germany, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands, as well as Turkey.
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 15: 53
        0
        our general staff has a department for the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons in Germany itself, to the present. it turns out the answers are not about anything.
        and a fake article, such as the United States will betray nuclear weapons - Germany.
        this is from the series: US Air Base on Matua and the USSR in the Aleutian Islands (1945)
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 12 March 2018 14: 22
      +1
      Does Germany have the right to possess nuclear weapons (?)

      These are American bombs to destroy Russia.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 12 March 2018 12: 20
    +4
    the Luftwaffe has no alternatives to the F-35 Lightning II.
    Who would doubt that . Yes, and the new Europelace is a big question, if Europe’s policy towards the United States does not change in the direction of a kind of import substitution on weapons ... that so far it is poorly visible ..
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 12 March 2018 12: 50
      0
      New ,, europelac ,, - it’s hard for me to imagine such a design belay It is in moments of danger that the fuselage must somehow lean laughing
      And so, yes, the guys are cunning mattresses-vparivayut their zombies and do not hesitate to ask servants.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 March 2018 12: 24
    +1
    Thus, Germany has no choice but to purchase a number of American F-35 fighters,

    Well, here you go, Germans, and the principle of the "collective farm" - if you like it, do not want it, but take it ... bully
  6. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 12 March 2018 12: 30
    +1
    Germany is the main US ally in Europe.
  7. svp67
    svp67 12 March 2018 12: 34
    +1
    Thus, in order to fulfill its obligations in the North Atlantic Alliance, by 2025 Germany will have to purchase a certain number of new fighters capable of using NATO nuclear munitions.
    Strange, but isn’t it easier and cheaper to convert part of the Eurofighter?
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 12 March 2018 12: 39
    0
    Here's another garbage bin, like the fe-35, looming on the horizon - Germany. wassat
  9. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 12 March 2018 12: 47
    0
    and it’s not easier to unite the major European countries and create your own plane create the same airbus
    1. cats
      cats 12 March 2018 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: Angry Pinnochio
      and it’s not easier to unite the major European countries and create your own plane create the same airbus

      And it’s even easier to admit that the warriors carry heh..yu..and build airbases.
      Cossacks of evil Russia have been dug, now they give birth ..
  10. thinker
    thinker 12 March 2018 12: 49
    0
    So let's say - zer gut, schnel, schnel yes
    An additional $ 35 billion will be needed to develop and update American stealth F-16 fighters ... The Pentagon plans to spend $ 10,8 billion on software development, and $ 5,4 billion on installing updates and other equipment ... part of the cost of new software have to cover foreign buyers of the aircraft, including the UK, Italy and the Netherlands.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1520775090
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 March 2018 13: 13
    +2
    It’s quite possible to install these systems on Typhoon ... On the Tornado, they stand! Why should Germany not support the European aircraft industry? Typhoon is a very modern aircraft, no worse than the Su-35S with a range higher than that of the F-35. Combined with all NATO systems and most importantly almost all weapons are produced in Europe.
    1. GAndr
      GAndr 12 March 2018 14: 30
      +1
      No worse than the Su-35, are you joking so right?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 March 2018 14: 45
        +1
        In the new versions of AFAR, new explosives of all ranges, suspended containers (which we do not have) have comparable thrust-weight ratio. Typhoon and Rafal are quite 4 ++ generation. These are modern medium fighters.
        1. GAndr
          GAndr 12 March 2018 14: 48
          0
          It seems to me that these planes are more logical to compare with the MIG, and not with Su. And of course, they do not reach Su.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 12 March 2018 15: 28
            +1
            in range and carrying capacity, Taufun and especially Rafal were made later than Drying and in something more modern ...
  12. gukoyan
    gukoyan 12 March 2018 13: 40
    0
    That's how business is doing)
    And at the embryo, they crushed the Europilace, so they got rid of the competitors)
  13. Prutkov
    Prutkov 12 March 2018 13: 49
    0
    Slowly but surely, Americans are killing European military aircraft. Jews have already been killed. Europeans are in line.
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 March 2018 14: 01
    0
    Zamechis Americans earn their crafts.
    We will soon read about how the Germans are dissatisfied with these under-aircraft.
  15. NF68
    NF68 12 March 2018 16: 29
    0
    Gure believes that the country has no alternatives to purchasing F-35. Despite the Germans' intentions to build a new “European” fighter, by 2025 they will not have time to do this.


    I have never in the German media even come across references to plans for the purchase of Germany F-35.
  16. ZVO
    ZVO 12 March 2018 21: 44
    +1
    Something complete nonsense is written ...
    B61-12 is a reincarnation of a very similar implementation of equipment from the JDAM program, namely (installation of the Single Unit already used in JDAM Inertial Guidance Systems and Guidance Systems for Satellite Positioning signals, mounted on old buildings of conventional free-falling bombs.
    Already dofiga many years of operating experience.

    Typhoon has no problem with this and will not.
    For starting from 2013-2014, absolutely all Typhoons received P1EB - which allows the use of any US-made bombs.
  17. Jerk
    Jerk 13 March 2018 00: 15
    0
    And what about the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and the status of a nuclear-weapon-free state?)))
  18. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 13 March 2018 20: 59
    0
    Germany is "doomed" to buy F-35
    Yes, Germany will not be asked.
    Accustomed to any shout from Washington to take a peak.
    A bit of history:
    US fined Deutsche Bank for withdrawing $ 10 billion from Russia
    Concern General Motors (GM) changed its mind about selling a controlling stake in Opel to Canadian Magna and Russian Sberbank
    But there is a correct reaction to the hegemon:
    MOSCOW, Jan 3 - RIA News. Residents of East Germany greet the US military with "undisguised anti-Americanism", and the Prime Minister of the federal state of Brandenburg, Dietmar Woidke, refused to welcome American troops. It is reported by the German publication Potsdamer Neuste Nachrichten.
    RIA News
    https://ria.ru/world/20180103/1512115032.html