Mistral swam to Baltzavod

The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) will build hulls for Mistral at the facilities of the Baltzavod - the French STX France has given this final consent. A Kommersant source close to USC estimates the project at € 70 million. Analysts point out that Baltzavod, in essence, is the “only Russian company” capable of executing such an order and in many respects just for the sake of Mistral, USC gained control of the shipyard.

STX France has approved the construction of floating hull parts for two Mistral helicopter carriers at the facilities of the St. Petersburg Baltzavod, the press service of the Baltiysky Shipbuilding Company (BZS) said on Friday. The French side has already submitted to the plant a final statement of the order of metal for buildings, 1 June BZS will receive the remaining working documents on the project. Metal cutting for the first Mistral should start in August, and the ship will be laid on October 1. The metal for the second Mistral will begin cutting in May 2013.

The contract for the supply of two Mistral for the Defense Ministry worth € 1,2 billion was signed between Rosoboronexport and the French DCNS in June 2011 of the year. Then the parties agreed that about 40% of the ship building works would be carried out in Russia, they chose USC as a subcontractor. The corporation must build a 24 hull block, which will then be sent to the STX shipyard in Saint-Nazaire - the helicopter carrier assembly will be completed there.

USC and STX France agreed to use the capacity of the Baltzavod for the construction of Mistral at the end of 2011. But then it was assumed that the plant would become a subcontractor of the Admiralty Shipyards, which it was planned to appoint as the main contractor. Now the situation has changed, BZS has become the general contractor, Alexander Voznesensky, the company's general director, told Kommersant. According to him, the main work will be carried out at the facilities of the Baltzavod, and the Admiralty Shipyards will take part in the design and construction of individual sections. "We also expect that the BZS will receive a contract for the construction of the second pair of Mistral, the localization of which in Russia should be significantly higher than the first two ships," said Mr. Voznesensky. He refused to name the sum of the contract for the construction of the first pair of Mistral, citing a confidentiality agreement. A source from Kommersant close to USC said that the BZS contract is estimated at € 70 million.

Baltzavod was considered as one of the possible executors of the Mistral contract back in 2010, when the enterprise was under the control of the United Industrial Corporation of Sergey Pugachev. Then the sources of "Kommersant" on the market told that it was Sergei Pugachev who lobbied for the Mistral purchase deal with possible further construction of ships in Russia, hoping to load the shipyard with orders. However, in the autumn of 2010, Mezhprombank Sergey Pugachev was revoked of the license, and the controlling stakes in Baltzavod and Severnaya Verf were pledged to the Central Bank for an unpaid loan of 32 billion rubles. As a result, MSC received a subcontract to USC. In the autumn of 2011, the Central Bank transferred the shares of shipyards to the trust management of USC, and in December last year, the corporation gained operational control over the Baltzavod. At the same time, it became known that USC will transfer to Baltzavod an order for the manufacture of hulls in order to load the shipyard's power.

“Baltzavod is now, in fact, the only Russian enterprise that has the competencies and high technologies for the construction of high-tech large-tonnage vessels, such as Mistral,” says Nadezhda Malysheva, Development Director of the PortNews agency. Therefore, for USC, it was important to gain control over the plant, because the projects of the corporation for the construction of large shipyards in the Far East "Zvezda-DSME" (a joint venture with the Korean company Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering) and a joint venture with the Singapore Yantai Raffles Shipyard ("Vostok-Raffles") They have not yet been implemented, and it is difficult to build hulls on the Admiralty Shipyards, since they are focused on the production of smaller tonnage vessels.

Comments

[itr]

So the stop almost a year has passed and no shit has been done. Did I understand correctly ???

[Sergh]

No, you don’t understand. Baltzavod and Northern Shipyards are now ours! With one more adversary they threw off the crown, so they began to load orders, otherwise they almost grunted. And the trough will wait a day or two, it’s not so burning.
“On the first of February in France in San Nazir the laying of the first ship of the Mistral type took place for the Russian Navy. They call it the first metal cutting. ”

The state has radically decided on the issue of gaining control of the Baltzavod Sergey Pugachev. The company decided to go bankrupt by transferring orders and personnel to a new structure controlled by the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC). The idea was already approved by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and in order for it to have legal grounds, the court returned the plant’s shares to the trust management of the Central Bank a day before the announcement of the state’s decision.

On Friday, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak said that the Baltic plant, part of the United Industrial Corporation (OPK) Sergei Pugachev, will be bankrupt. According to Mr. Kozak, this is the only way to "deal with the debt" of the enterprise, which is about 15 billion rubles. This idea was supported by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin during a specially convened meeting at the plant (see Kommersant on December 3).

All personnel of the enterprise will be transferred to the Baltzavod-Sudostroenie LLC-controlled OSK (established November 15), with which all contracts for the construction of ships will be concluded. LLC leases the power of the Baltzavod. According to Vladimir Putin, a new legal entity is necessary because "all funds that will be transferred to the plant under new contracts will be debited immediately without acceptance." USC President Roman Trotsenko added that the total volume of orders at the Baltzavod in the next four years will amount to 18 billion rubles.

I add, this decision was at the beginning of the year. Now it happened !!!

[Dmitriy69]

Quote: Sergh

otherwise they almost grunted

I initially did not like the idea with these Mistrals. What prevents building such ships at home ?! Technologies, yelling, technologies ... Yes, we have technologies no worse than theirs, they simply cannot be given advancements. To paraphrase the cat Matroskin: we have everything, only some have no mind.

[Krilion]

Quote: Dmitriy69

I initially did not like the idea with these Mistrals. What prevents building such ships at home ?!

the decision is most likely political ... we bought the Mistral from the French, they have a large batch of rocket engines from us ... everyone is happy ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: Dmitriy69

I initially did not like the idea with these Mistrals. What prevents building such ships at home ?!

Which are initially better. And here the header about the tub is correct "Mistral swam to Baltzavod" , and ships are known to go by sea and not sail.

[atesterev]

All technologies consist in the fact that the blocks were built at different factories, and then on one connected to the building. But this is the technology of the 50s of the last century. And we got them !!!

[itr]

Well, how to understand this, our northern shipyards removed the crown from the adversary? why the hell do you even know how the LLC is being translated or you are the owner of this company The contract was signed in July laying the ground in February bullshit

[domokl]

The defense industry enterprises generally need to return everything to the hands of the state ... Balt plant is still the first swallow .. Now the revival will begin ....
And we need these Mistrals more for loading and testing the construction technology of these types of ships ... Then, naturally, they will go their own ...

[Tersky]

Quote: domokl

The defense industry enterprises generally need to return everything to the hands of the state ...

Good afternoon, Alexander! I’ve been talking about this for a long time, well, a serious enterprise will not work if it works for an uncle, purely commercial interests prevail there, the Russian defense industry is losing ground for a second plan. Therefore, only all enterprises of this profile only under the State.

[VAF]

Quote: Sergh

I add, this decision was at the beginning of the year.

Everything is correct, terribly and simplicity explained and clarified, ++++++ !!!

[Neighbor]

Well - now if that - these Mistrals - the first on cannon fodder SAIL !!!!
The main thing is that our sailors should not suffer from them - if that. It will be a shame - to give life, albeit for the homeland - but in a foreign French th .....!
Somehow wrong.
God forbid, of course.

[atesterev]

"BaltZavod and Northern Shipyards are now ours!"

Whose are yours? OSKovsky, or what? So USC managers look at all reports of subordinate organizations in Excel ... Shame!

[Yarbay]

I still don’t understand why Russia should buy these Mistrals from France !! ??
Russia has vast experience building warships including helicopter carriers !!
It seems like some kind of backstage agreement !! Like you buy the mistral, and we will do this!
Maybe I'm wrong!

[Eugene]

Alibek, good afternoon! If you are about Ivan Rogov, then they are smaller and with different opportunities. The cruisers Moscow and Leningrad were also completely different ships.
Mistral - UDC - and the landing and tangible helicopter grouping (16 aircraft), plus the best SENIT-9 system in the west. We have never done this. In addition, the modular design, the propellers do not rotate directly from the power plant, but from electric motors, which improves maneuvering, we have not built yet. Another thing is that South Korea and Spain offered us IMHO more advanced UDC options, but SENIT-9 is not there was, give partners they are less reliable.
Although I think that the political decision was decisive - they bargained with the French for any business - they say they will support us politically, we will buy ships for this, by the way there was infa that the ships are built on the money of the oligarchy, and not the Navy.

[Yarbay]

Dear Eugene, I recently read an analysis of a Russian expert about the Mistral, about its capabilities and what can happen if it is hung with the weapons they want to hang !!
Horrified!
Really do not know about it in the Russian leadership! ??? After all, many alterations that they want to do were not in the project when the ship was created!
I'm not only about Ivan Rogov !! As far as I know there have been and there are quite a few projects that have not been implemented since the Soviet era !!
I agree that in the elekrono-technical attitude it could be inferior to the French, but I think it’s a gain! !! After all, in Russia they build one of the best airplanes, and there you need electronics too !!

[esaul]

Quote: itr

So the stop almost a year has passed and no shit has been done. Did I understand correctly ???

Greetings, colleague. This year went to the initial stage of construction of two Mistrals by the French in their shipyards, and the remaining two, as expected, with us. The time has come - the berry has ripened ...

[party3AH]

Quote: itr

So the stop almost a year has passed and no shit has been done. Did I understand correctly ??? am

There were simply delays from the American side, the imposition of "democratic" trade on the French with possible enemies of NATO, as if the Russians would now be able to deliver their turntables to the DB zone.

[755962]

To rearm the army and navy, it is necessary to use not only the defense industry, but the potential of the entire Russian economy. Serious resources of state defense programs should push for quality economic growth in the country as a whole, should push and create additional demand for innovations, create tens of thousands of new, modern jobs.

[Trezvomag]

Quote: itr

So the stop almost a year passed and no shit was done. Did I understand correctly ??

It is not regrettable, but you understood correctly. All this time was spent talking between delegations from us to the French and vice versa. Moreover, these delegations mainly consist of various managers and leaders. Engineers are rarely present there, and even between them it is difficult to find time to discuss the details. I vouch for my words because I work as an engineer at the Admiralty Shipyards. We now have the third delegation at the shipyards in a year. Moreover, engineers were not invited to the first meeting, they were invited to the second meeting, but they told us that they could not say anything, because the project was being finalized to Russian requirements, and now their corps engineer simply did not come because he did not apply for a visa.
Further on the article. Admiralty shipyards will take part in the construction of all sections, but only as a developer of working and plazovoy documentation in metal decided to build at the Baltic Shipyard, but not because we cannot build this ship. For comparison, dial the dimensions, type in the project search 70046 in the search, and lo and behold, it will be much larger in size. So the decision to build was not made here for political reasons in the leadership of the USC. Although the Baltic factory already has orders in terms of completion of the PAES and the construction of icebreakers. Our slipway is idle, despite all the screams in the press about the shipyard being loaded before 2016. Yes, it is loaded, but only underwater shipbuilding. The surface is idle.

[Uralm]

itr
More likely to say. Russia swam to the mistral

[Olegovich]

There is a favorable policy of the country's leadership towards Russia. Many people foaming at the mouth criticized the acquisition of the Mistrals, although they immediately explained that we were buying not finished products, but shipbuilding technologies !!!!
Here is the evidence of this. Plus the huge employment of our specialists, capacity utilization.

[Per se.]

Dear Olegych, we bought a right from the French, not an obligation. If technologies were needed, then having received them, you need to build full-fledged ships, and not these "ersatzavian carriers", the pair of "Mistrals" that will be built for us in France are enough. There are enough smart men in Russia for their projects, both improved Soviet ones and new ones. It is better to create helicopter carriers and aircraft carriers for the tasks of their own fleet, and not the French.

[Nechai]

Yesterday, in the local media, the message of the State Unitary Enterprise TsSKB "Progress" was forgiven. For 1,5 years. So far with two St. Petersburg enterprises. So far, 100% of the shares are planned to be owned by the state. TsSKB is currently preparing the Soyuz-2V1 launch vehicle with NK-33 engines. Recently, the link "Mistral-RN Soyuz" turns out to be some kind of inseparable.

[Trailer]

QUESTION - why do we need a helicopter carrier? So we can reach the nearest countries, but in open water it will be a trough as a gift!

[Armata]

Quote: Karavan

QUESTION - why do we need a helicopter carrier?

First of all, it is a landing ship and, in addition to helicopters, it has on board a hangar for high-speed landing boats and hovercraft. All this in a complex should work for landing and covering it from the air. I do not understand another. Russia does not conduct occupation companies. Why do we need ships of this class? From whom will we defend ourselves across the ocean?

[Olegovich]

Quote: Steam Train

I do not understand another. Russia does not conduct occupation companies. Why do we need ships of this class? From whom will we defend ourselves across the ocean?

By the way, an interesting question. Or maybe it is really planned somewhere in the bowels of the Moscow region to "establish constitutional order" on a separate coastal territory? Again, delivering large military cargo over long distances ...

[El13]

Quote: Steam Train

I do not understand another. Russia does not conduct occupation companies. Why do we need ships of this class?

We must not lead companies, but be able to conduct them, so to speak, a deterrent ...

[Arkan]

LocomotiveIt's simple. In the modern world, you have to defend not only your territory but also your interests far from the borders, and for this you need ocean-class ships. For example: the coast of Somalia. Cover merchant ships from the air, send troops to the mainland (to eliminate the pirate base) - the helicopter carrier is the most. IMHO.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

... I agree completely ... we’ll get to Japan or the Kuril Islands ..... and in case of need we will quickly jump to Turkey, and to the Archipelago ....

[old rocket man]

Trailer,

Quote: Karavan

So we can reach the nearest countries, but in open water it will be a trough as a gift

I’ll try to explain how I understand this myself.
Firstly, the landing of large naval amphibious assaults is a very complicated operation, the experience of which we do not have, the Novorossiysk and Feodosiya are not counted, not on the same scale, but the times are different. In order to get this experience we need to learn, and on what? We cannot peacefully time to mobilize large vessels of the civilian fleet, and they are not quite suitable for these purposes.
Secondly, the Mistral is not just a UDC, it is a control ship that has a unique control complex that we could develop ourselves, just like the ship itself, but TIME, and so we get ready-made ships immediately plus technologies, drawings, I don’t say already about the hidden political benefits for some four years.
Thirdly, no one is going to send this "trough" as a gift, if you have noticed, escort ships (frigates and corvettes) have been intensively built recently. in such quantityare not necessary for the defense of the near sea zone.
Fourth, finally, the large landing ships we have are morally and physically outdated, and even, as you say, "getting" to them somewhere further than Kamchatka is a big problem.
Sincerely, if you do not agree, correct

[Trailer]

Thank you, I agree with many things, except with the phrase that today Russia produces an excessive number of patrol ships in the near sea zone. I do not want to talk about lawlessness in the waters of the Far East. A good example is how the Norwegians drive us. And all because of something, because of the small number of ships, and of insufficient political will!

[Olegovich]

Given that
"It is planned to use this helicopter carrier in northern latitudes, in ice. This will require strengthening the sides of the ship. However, this will not entail serious changes in the design and technical equipment of the Mistral."
the range of his hypothetical tasks is expanding !!! For the good of our northern borders.
Russia buys the Mistral helicopter carrier with all navigation and technological equipment, including combat navigation, but the weapons and helicopters on the ship will be Russian. When concluding the contract for the Mistrals, France transferred to the Russian side all the technologies it was interested in, including the SENIT-9 system, and two others ["
And this means that the technologies there are not only shipbuilding.

[Inzhengr]

These NATO helicopter carriers are suitable for NATO’s aggressive and aggressive policy, but what about us? Could not come up with anything.

[Nobody except us]

Quote: Yarbay

I still don’t understand why Russia should buy these Mistrals from France !! ??

Somewhere I read the version that by buying they wanted to remind domestic producers that there is such a thing as "competition".
Popovkin also set up anti-advertising for the T-90 tank.

[Yarbay]

An interesting anti-advertisement))))))))) have already bought the tank Turkmenistan, Indonesia and Azerbaijan, and in considerable quantities !!!

[Baron Wrangell]

yes let them buy! come in handy, nice boat! You look ours and the new aircraft carrier will do it!

[Vanek]

THIS IS AN ANCHOR IN HIM

[Bashkaus]

Samoyel, the main thing in my opinion in this whole deal is that we buy these ships for currency, not only do we gain experience and technology (remember Peter -1), but we also get rid of all kinds of pieces of paper that God gave, and God certainly it will give for it is fair to turn into mucoal.

[USNik]

The decision to build the Mistral is correct, because will allow
1. download pr-in
2. Train and hire new skilled workers
3. Supply chain providers
that is, it turns out the backlog for the construction of more advanced ships, WHAT IS GOOD.

[Vanek]

WHAT IS HIS CHAIN

[Tirpitz]

This is not Mistral.

[Vanek]

THIS IS TIRPITZ.

What's the difference. You look at the chain, look at the chain

[Armata]

Quote: Vanek

You look at the chain, look at the chain

What dashing 90 are remembered, who has more tsepura that and is cooler

[Shah5525]

Yes, the photo is most likely not him.

[saturn.mmm]

Russia is preparing to build something bigger than the Mistral. This conclusion can be drawn by analyzing all recent events. Renting a training complex "Thread" from Ukraine, building your own training complex similar to "Thread" - is it really necessary to prepare the flight crew for the Admiral Kuznetsov spacecraft?

[Krass]

And what about this? Russia still has an aircraft-carrying cruiser, and pilots are trained for it.

[Ziksura]

Quote: Krass

Russia still has an aircraft-carrying cruiser, and pilots are trained for it.

Sorry, dear, but in the air it smells like a new aircraft carrier more and more frankly and frankly.

[Krass]

Sorry, but what does it smell like?
"Varyag" sold 90% of the finished product to the Chinese - now it is "Shi Lan" - Taiwan floats and scares, "Ulyanovsk" was dismantled, "Kiev" was sold to China for an entertainment center, "Minsk" - also, "Novorossiysk" - the Koreans were dismantled for scrap , "Admiral Gorshkov" - sold to the Indians, one "Kuznetsov" remained and that requires major repairs, of the unfinished ones - "Ukraine", by the way, asked Russia to buy this aircraft carrier differently, they honestly admitted that they would hand it over to the Chinese, but the RF Ministry of Defense is not interested in acquiring on 95% of the finished ship, she is interested in French thoughts.

[Tirpitz]

Krass,
Pilots are trained, most likely, not for him. And for future aircraft carriers. After all, when they enter the system, pilots will be needed already. not to wait then for another 10 years until the pilots are trained, the more so the blacksmiths will soon become (or have become) to repair, and experience should not be lost.

[patriot2]

Something tells me that Russia will have more than one aircraft carrier, and Mistral can have not only helipads, it is also possible to remake the deck for airplanes, by the way there are vertical take-off and landing machines, so think for yourself ...

[warrior]

Here is what I understood. some gentleman (rather a comrade) was the owner of a shipyard. The plant has debts of more than 30 billion rubles. Plant bankrupt. The state of the Russian ego buys with debt. The gentleman all arrived, plus non-payment of debts. This is a rollback. I want it too. Brothers, dear, who need to become a comrade, so that they get to such a rollback. This is your Mistral, he is already golden.

[viruskvartirus]

Late ... for this ... you need to find yourself at the right time in the right place, lose all shame and conscience and be close to the feeding trough ...

[Arkan]

warrior,
This is a trifle. Here the Americans paid $ 8 billion (+680 million forfeit) for two museum pieces called "Kamanch". The Mistrals will at least walk.

[suharev-52]

I do not share the enthusiasm for the purchase of the shipyard by USC. That the state is finally taking over and concentrating the military-industrial complex. Wake up guys! All this is done in order to have something to sell during privatization - 2, which is coming. And for this, on a sly, without advertising, amendments to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation are adopted, in which, for example, Art. 51 State registration of legal. persons were obliged to disclose information about their ultimate owners of offshore companies. But she never made it to the final version. The outgoing nano prezik decided to make a royal gift at parting. So the sale of Russia continues, and the end customers will remain unknown. Remember the example of "Perm Motors", the Americans bought and the plant was ... castrated. But the future prime minister plans to privatize even the Votkinsk plant, which makes missiles for the Strategic Missile Forces. And also to fuse all titanium production in the hands of the West. It may be recalled that almost 80% of large companies in our country are registered abroad, which means that profits also go there (legally). And this is the future prime minister. But please don't tell me that now Putin will come and put things in order. Not for this they were eager for power and falsified the Duma elections, but in order to pass the laws "necessary" for them.
For reference: Arguments of the week # 15 April 19-25 "Offshore secrets will become state secrets." Sincerely.

[Karabin]

I share your concerns about the fate of our defense industry and the country as a whole. Thanks to the first wave of privatization (or rather robbery), the defense complex has lost many unique technologies and industries, and qualified specialists have left. The second wave of privatization and the WTO will lead the country to the actual loss of economic, political and military sovereignty under the control of Western TNCs and oligarchic clans. All this chatter about the impending colossal rearmament is designed for domestic consumption and will end in zilch. Serious things happen in silence.