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Deputy Head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Contracts for serial production of Avangard complexes have already been concluded

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The Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Yury Borisov, spoke about the newest Avangard system, which has been actively discussed since it was mentioned in the message of the President to the Federal Assembly. In an interview with the newspaper "A red star" Yuri Borisov said that the contract for the production of a hypersonic Avangard strategic complex by the military department has already been concluded.


From the statement of the Deputy Minister of Defense:
The Avangard system about which the president spoke was well tested. Not without difficulty, it was created, because the temperature on the surface of the combat unit reaches two thousand degrees. He really flies in plasma. Therefore, the problem of managing this object and protection issues were very serious, but solutions were found. Practical tests of this system confirmed the feasibility of the chosen approach. I will say more, we have a contract for the mass production of these systems. So this is no bluff, but real things.


Deputy Head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Contracts for serial production of Avangard complexes have already been concluded


Recall that earlier in the foreign (and not only foreign) media, comments were published by politicians and military experts who said that statements about the avant-garde hypersonic strategic complex could be a “bluff”. At the same time, the United States immediately requested additional funding from the congress for the deployment of the orbital radar "as a response to new challenges from the Russians."

He commented on the Deputy Minister of Defense and the combat laser complexes that appeared in service with the Russian Federation:
About Laser weapons You can talk a lot, and films have been made about him for a long time, fantastic books have been written, everyone knows about it. But the fact that these systems began to come into service is really the realities of today. Since last year, laser systems have come into service, which make it possible to disarm a potential enemy and hit all those objects that serve the purpose.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 12 March 2018 07: 00
    +10
    Well, a good way .. "Vanguard" can easily turn an aggressor not only into a rear guard, but into dust
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 12 March 2018 07: 05
      +10
      We need more "bluffing" for our armed forces, so what if it was a bluff?
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 12 March 2018 07: 10
        +3
        Interesting. Previously, the United States created strike weapons, and the USSR tried to deal more with defense systems (air defense, anti-ship missiles). Now the roles have changed. Russia shows offensive types, and the states are going to engage in "counteraction." hi
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 12 March 2018 07: 24
          +9
          Quote: Kasym
          Interesting. Previously, the United States created strike weapons, and the USSR tried to deal more with defense systems (air defense, anti-ship missiles). Now the roles have changed. Russia shows offensive types, and the states are going to engage in "counteraction." hi

          If you are talking about a breakthrough in strategic nuclear weapons - we have always tried to get ahead of the USA in them in order to maintain parity and peace. And in the rest, the situation has not changed: the United States, as they worked with a bias on the offensive, are still working, and we have a deviation towards defense. Their dual-use missile defense, you should not forget about this either. In its pure form, the defensive is tightly tied to its native land, except for the ICBM mines, of course. And next to us is the American homeland and does not smell ..
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 12 March 2018 08: 04
          +1
          Best defense is attack !
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 12 March 2018 08: 47
            0
            Quote: 30 vis
            Best defense is attack !

            we are ready for peace!
            1. DMB_95
              DMB_95 12 March 2018 08: 59
              +4
              Quote: taiga2018
              we are ready for peace!

              For a reliable World of weapons, you need more than for War.
              1. Ierarh
                Ierarh 12 March 2018 10: 16
                0
                After us - silence ... (c)
        3. CHARM
          CHARM 12 March 2018 11: 15
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          Interesting. Previously, the United States created strike weapons, and the USSR tried to deal more with defense systems (air defense, anti-ship missiles). Now the roles have changed. Russia shows offensive types, and the states are going to engage in "counteraction." hi

          The shield can certainly be used as an offensive weapon, but it is much more convenient if a sword is attached to the shield. In fact, these new types of weapons give us time not only to modernize the army, but also to modernize the country as a whole. This is exactly what Putin said in the first part of the message. The Anaconda ring at that moment became an anachronism, at least for 20 years, and maybe more. With these weapons we pushed the threat of global war indefinitely, which gives us the opportunity now to quietly develop the economy, medicine, education and all defense industries. Therefore, the appearance of such weapons was called a breakthrough, since before that, we all the time had to live with an eye on the army.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 March 2018 16: 49
            +2
            "With these weapons we pushed the threat of global war" ////

            On the contrary, they moved it. More kinds of vague semi-bluff-semi-real
            Wunder-waffle weapons of mass destruction are being created, the closer the global war.
            The usual accurate and reliable Yars with powerful hydrogen warheads, without any bells and whistles, are enough for the eyes to deter any enemy and prevent a global war.
            1. CHARM
              CHARM 12 March 2018 16: 57
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              More kinds of vague semi-bluff-semi-real
              Wunder-waffle weapons of mass destruction are being created, the closer the global war.

              You write mutually exclusive concepts ... To begin with, do you think that the new weapon that Putin said was a bluff? Hmm ... that is, you publicly claim that the intelligence of the United States, the EU, and also Israel is stupidly nothing don’t do and eat their bread in vain? What is the point of bluffing Putin if this bluff is easily revealed?
              The second point, the presence of such weapons in our country and the absence of such weapons in the enemy, logically pushes the moment of the global war, as we have the doctrine of defense, unlike the USA, which have been building the Anaconda ring for a year.
              And the third ... YaRS it certainly is good. But ... today, Russia is confronting alone the EU and the USA, that is, the NATO bloc, whose states are not poor at all. The quantitative superiority of the enemy, we try to ignore the quality. What is the use of YaRS if the question of a disarming strike on us has been hanging all the time? Now, the question of military aggression in our direction has fallen, at least 10 years, or even more.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 12 March 2018 17: 11
                +1
                In addition to Sarmat, who will replace the decommissioned Voivode in the same mines, almost everything is a bluff (no weapons).
                Or semi-bluff (the characteristics of the weapon are significantly overstated or its production is impossible).
                And this opinion is not only mine. Therefore, the intelligence of leading countries is so calm
                perceived these cartoons. Americans are also trying to make all sorts of hyper-sound prototypes and are well aware of the difficulties on the way.
                What is the difference where to launch Iskander? From the ground or from the air? Isn’t it easier
                just increase its range without spoiling the dagger?
                Scare the world with radioactive wunder-waffles? It is sad.
                1. CHARM
                  CHARM 12 March 2018 17: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In addition to Sarmat, who will replace the decommissioned Voivode in the same mines, almost everything is a bluff (no weapons).

                  Did Mossad personally report to you? Argumentation to your statement where? Stupidly, because it can’t be?
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  And this opinion is not only mine. Therefore, the intelligence of leading countries is so calm
                  perceived these cartoons.

                  Dear Vojaka, intelligence took it all calmly, because they knew about the development of such weapons. And now they have no sense in tearing hair.
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  What is the difference where to launch Iskander? From the ground or from the air? Isn’t it easier
                  just increase its range without spoiling the dagger?

                  Why increase the size of the rocket by attaching another booster module to let it off the ground? We are armed with a MIG-31, which is made multi-purpose. Why fence the garden with the creation of a rocket with the same performance characteristics as the Dagger, only land-based and in mass and dimensions more?
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Scare the world with radioactive wunder-waffles? It is sad.

                  Tell me at least one fact when the USSR or Russia scared someone with non-existent weapons.
                2. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 12 March 2018 23: 38
                  0
                  It is impossible to increase the range of the Iskander because of the strict fulfillment by Russia of the concluded agreements, in contrast to the "masters" of its word from the tin.
                3. Voyager
                  Voyager 13 March 2018 17: 15
                  0
                  Blatant accusation of lying. But you do not understand this topic, unlike those who unveiled weapons. Maybe you should think about your own incompetence before blaming others?
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 March 2018 07: 04
    +7
    So quickly spun the action - without raskalka and rassusanivaniya! This makes me happy! good
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 07: 42
      +1
      I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?
      because RS-26 The frontier is Vanguard, like a booster rocket it flies at 2000 km as well, and with a hypersonic block it has an intercontinental range
      The question is, why is everyone silent? Does the USA apparently also have some sort of “skeleton in the closet”?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 March 2018 07: 49
        +1
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?
        because RS-26 The frontier is Vanguard, like a booster rocket it flies at 2000 km as well, and with a hypersonic block it has an intercontinental range
        The question is, why is everyone silent? Does the USA apparently also have some sort of “skeleton in the closet”?

        And where should they hurry? They have sufficient potential to destroy not only the Russian Federation, but the whole world, as well as Russia. So for now they want to complete the reform of the army and navy, and nuclear carriers will change in the next decade.
        1. cniza
          cniza 12 March 2018 08: 24
          +3
          So no one hurries them, they fussed themselves, they were asked to be more modest and respect the interests of others, fixing all this in the contract and no more.
      2. NKT
        NKT 12 March 2018 07: 53
        +3
        How do you know about 2000km?
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 08: 03
          +3
          24 October 2012 year PC-26 the third launch was conducted from the Kapustin Yar training range along the internal route to the Sary-Shagan training ground - 2090 km.
          1. NKT
            NKT 12 March 2018 08: 24
            +7
            The INF Treaty states the elimination of ground-based missiles of medium (1000-5500km) and shorter (500-1000km) range.

            If a rocket flies at (1000-9000km), does it really fall into the above ranges?

            Or if it flies (1km-13000km)?
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 11: 56
              +1
              NKT

              there is a minimum and maximum range, the question is what exactly is spelled out in the INF Treaty. Did you read it?
              Formally, we also violated it with the UR-100Н UTTX missile, which has a minimum range of about 1 000 km., And a maximum range of up to 10 000 km.
              1. NKT
                NKT 12 March 2018 12: 05
                0
                I read diagonally. We look at p5 and p6

                Definitions:


                Full text:
                http://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventi
                ons / pdf / treaty.pdf

                It turns out that it does not fall because the key phrase "BUT DOES NOT EXCEED"
                1. Romario_Argo
                  Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 12: 11
                  0
                  the Americans are inverted to an average range and media onlybased on 5500 km. but the fact that the hypersonic BB will fly away on 5500 is not taken into account
      3. DMB_95
        DMB_95 12 March 2018 09: 07
        +2
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?
        because RS-26 The frontier is Vanguard, like a booster rocket it flies at 2000 km as well, and with a hypersonic block it has an intercontinental range

        It is necessary to get out of it, because States violate the Treaty unilaterally. And the “Vanguard” in its characteristics does not fall under the INF.
      4. aszzz888
        aszzz888 12 March 2018 09: 42
        +2
        Romario_Argo Today, 07:42; The question is, why is everyone silent?

        Corvalol are soldered ... bully
      5. vlad66
        vlad66 12 March 2018 10: 47
        +7
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        . RS-26 Frontier she is the Vanguard,

        Mil man "Vanguard" is a combat unit, not the carrier, which is the RS-26 "Frontier" laughing we burn further wink
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 11: 11
          +1
          Nice man, rather, the Vanguard system and the Rubezh carrier, and the combat unit: for now, we are waiting for what they call !!!
      6. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 March 2018 11: 24
        +1
        "I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?" ////

        ... which at one time the USSR and asked to conclude when Reagan placed
        Pershing 2 in Europe. The Americans are remarkably close to the Soviet
        launcher ICBMs on a “pistol shot,” while the Americans remained as far away.

        It is amazing that Russia is stepping on the same rake a second time.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 12: 24
          0
          now we already have anti-aircraft and anti-missile curtain with very good deepening beyond our borders
          С-400, С-300В4, С-500, А-235
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 March 2018 16: 39
            0
            They made us laugh ... With these things do you hope to take Pershing on take-off? 0,0 chances.
            It's as funny as trying to intercept Russian ICBMs from land
            Aegis in Romania and Poland. Also - no chance.
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 12 March 2018 16: 59
              0
              no need to invent something and suck, about interception on takeoff.
              Interception is possible within the radius range of our air defense systems, even the reincarnation of Pershing-2, which in 90 was the regular target of 12M for military C-300
        2. XXXIII
          XXXIII 12 March 2018 13: 23
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?" ////

          ... which at one time the USSR and asked to conclude when Reagan placed
          Pershing 2 in Europe. The Americans are remarkably close to the Soviet
          launcher ICBMs on a “pistol shot,” while the Americans remained as far away.

          It is amazing that Russia is stepping on the same rake for the second time..

          This does not give anything and did not give then, it was the Cold War, no one listened to scientists, now when they were heard and realized that one inaccurate action could return the planet to its original state. Even now everyone is bluffing to scare each other harder ... hi
          Do not touch our rake robber, we still need to clean the foliage with them in the fall ..... bully
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 March 2018 16: 43
            0
            "now that they have been heard and realized" ////

            Who realized? belay After a recent speech, it looks like we are again in exuberant
            50-60s, when they accumulated wild poisons, bacteria, climatic weapons, radioactive nasty things -
            just to kill the enemy and die writhing in his arms negative .
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 12 March 2018 17: 05
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "now that they have been heard and realized" ////

              Who realized? belay After a recent speech, it looks like we are again in exuberant
              50-60s, when they accumulated wild poisons, bacteria, climatic weapons, radioactive nasty things -
              just to kill the enemy and die writhing in his arms negative .

              Iran wept from these words laughing ... And what the states said before, a disarming strike on the Russian Federation, that we are far behind, we need to surrender and give all the missiles away. They passed directly to the presidential election, the Ministry of Defense does not seem to complain fellow .
              The manipulation will be for a long time, everyone will feed on these statements, of course, suicidal actions can destroy the planet, but it seems that fools are not allowed to such weapons ....
              I take this opportunity to ask a question, Netanyahu carries a suitcase with a red button? recourse
              ps Iran does not have Iskander, I hope not .... request
            2. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 12 March 2018 23: 47
              0
              Putin has already explained - we do not need a world without Russia! So do not blame me, the “brick” in the Amer half of the field, let them think whether they want to live with Russia or to disappear with it.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 12 March 2018 07: 11
    +3
    Spears are already breaking here, naively claiming that the rockets of the Avangard and Iskander complexes are the same thing, only the difference in the carrier and the engine! So, gentlemen, naive Chukchi youth, the Iskander is completely out of work here! The "avant-garde" missiles were created from scratch using other technologies, and the fact that they look similar and the size is close is, first of all, the technical characteristics of the complex and the capabilities of existing carriers, which was originally planned for Mig31!
    1. Yaro Polk
      Yaro Polk 12 March 2018 07: 28
      +8
      Maybe you "Dagger" -mean under the belly Mig, and not the Vanguard?
    2. BIP PS FSB RF
      BIP PS FSB RF 12 March 2018 07: 29
      +6
      On the MiG-31, in fact, not the Vanguard, but the Dagger. fool Collected everything in a heap, and now you can not figure out your fantasies.
    3. Chichikov
      Chichikov 12 March 2018 07: 35
      +2
      By and large, what difference does it make to us, how, how and in what place the upstart will receive the pill! The main thing, as in lawyers, is not the punishment, but its inevitability!
  4. tchoni
    tchoni 12 March 2018 07: 46
    +4
    First we roll the public with armatures, fifth-generation fighters, mistral frigates, and then we draw terrible cartoons on my knee ... and now we are forced to prove to the world that
    I will say more, we have a contract for the mass production of these systems. So this is not a bluff, but real things.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 12 March 2018 08: 10
      +9
      draw terrible quality cartoons on my knee ...
      Did you want to see the "Star Wars" Lucas? And how did you personally ride with “Armata” and 5 generation fighters? Do not disclose state secrets, are not allowed to test ...? Those who are engaged in this do not consider that they have been "driven."
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 12 March 2018 09: 44
        +4
        You remind about the initial timing of the adoption of "armata" and t-50? They promised armor to the troops from the age of 15 ... The T-50 threatened to accept the same up to 20 50 .... And then Ussss - CORRECTION OF PLANS ...
        We take now the “Sarmatian” Throwing tests were supposed to happen in November 15 ... took place in December 17 ...
        And what about "
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Did you want to see the "Star Wars" Lucas?

        I’ll say that to you. Lucas in the 80th year, without 3Dmax, did better than our "CARTOONS FOR THE PRESIDENT" in 2018. Think about it ... If we CAN'T MAKE A CARTOON FOR THE PRESILENT, then where will the rockets come from)
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 12 March 2018 23: 50
          0
          To remind you in which year the FU 35 was adopted and how is it being used now?
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 12 March 2018 08: 10
      +3
      They do not believe why! Cartoons .. There are no weapons there are cartoons ... Otherwise, what? Otherwise, it’s very scary! This is like an ostrich, he is scared, and he is a fig bosko in the sand. There is no enemy! He doesn’t see him .. But his ass is fit, come use it! And then the ass ... upstairs, head in the sand. Otherwise, admit to the whole world that Russia is strong, powerful, is not afraid of anyone, but “partners”, whose shining city is on a hill, have to be afraid ... "
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 12 March 2018 07: 54
    +2
    For our Western and Middle Eastern partners, no rockets are pitiful
  6. krokodil25
    krokodil25 12 March 2018 08: 55
    +1
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    because RS-26 Frontier she is the Vanguard,

    Vanguard is a hypersonic block and not a rocket in this case.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 March 2018 11: 30
      +1
      The missile there is the most common, but instead of the usual warhead, the planning block.
      Regarding control in the plasma cloud, I am still sure that this is a bluff.
      The planning block is uncontrollable and descends along a pre-calculated path.
      If in the end it slows down to supersonicity and cools down (the plasma disappears), then
      it can be adjusted according to Glonass, for example. And hit
      stationary object.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 12 March 2018 23: 54
        0
        Inertial guidance systems do not need signals from outside, and you can correct the trajectory at the very end of the path, when there is not enough time for shooting down, for prayer.
  7. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 12 March 2018 09: 00
    +3
    Good news in terms of improving our country's defense capabilities. That's just interesting, what are the delivery dates of the Vanguard for service? Can you wait this year already? Since there is a contract for mass production ... or in 5 years?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 March 2018 11: 35
      +1
      More likely never. Even the usual plans to rearm missile
      ICBM troops (Yars instead of Poplar) are behind schedule, plus new missiles for nuclear submarines,
      plus Iskanders (and now circumcised Iskanders for the Dagger) .... Gauges ...
      Here, oil at $ 100 will not help either.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 12 March 2018 15: 15
        0
        Where did you get the know-it-all then you all know everywhere in the subject straight super special !? belay
  8. gridasov
    gridasov 12 March 2018 12: 26
    +1
    I believe that I believe that technologies for protection against destruction in dense layers of the atmosphere have not been fully developed and are far from perfect. For example, a coating or shell has not been a secret for a long time, while there are also natural materials in which the sintering temperature is orders of magnitude higher than the material that is used. Means and can withstand higher temperature overloads. This is the time. Secondly, it is high time to understand that temperature is a derivative of the interaction of magnetic force flows, which means that there is a method of depolarization or transformation of these magnetic interactions into the channel of positive effects, not destructive ones.
    Unfortunately, even simple solutions in devices for converting hydrodynamic flows remain unavailable. For example . A Laval nozzle in which an increase in speed is accompanied by a drop in pressure and pressure, by the way the pressure drops already at cavitation levels of turbulent flow transformation, can be replaced by a simple device in which, the acceleration of the flow is not accompanied by a pressure drop, and cavitation only contributes to the momentum of the acceleration of the flow. Therefore, the research potential of such flights is very large to assert that serial production can be fully launched.
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 12 March 2018 12: 32
    0
    The timing, I think, will be directly dependent on the timing of the deployment of the American missile defense. For every interceptor of the US national missile defense. in response, one block "Vanguard".
  10. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 12 March 2018 13: 17
    0
    It’s not in vain that people say that for every crafty tool there is a device with a thread!
  11. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 12 March 2018 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?
    because RS-26 The frontier is Vanguard, like a booster rocket it flies at 2000 km as well, and with a hypersonic block it has an intercontinental range
    The question is, why is everyone silent? Does the USA apparently also have some sort of “skeleton in the closet”?

    And where should they hurry? They have sufficient potential to destroy not only the Russian Federation, but the whole world, as well as Russia. So for now they want to complete the reform of the army and navy, and nuclear carriers will change in the next decade.


    Reform? Yes, they are more engaged in modernization! And everyone is presented with a whole bunch, like a real sound-fool the whole world striped thimbles! What missile defense missile tests alone are worth?
  12. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 12 March 2018 13: 34
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?" ////

    ... which at one time the USSR and asked to conclude when Reagan placed
    Pershing 2 in Europe. The Americans are remarkably close to the Soviet
    launcher ICBMs on a “pistol shot,” while the Americans remained as far away.

    It is amazing that Russia is stepping on the same rake a second time.


    Well, yes, stand in a pose of si, and gratefully accept all the "punishment" from heaven! Your brother has already slipped such a rotten once to the world! And still strive all over the world to do the same. But times and people have changed somewhat.
  13. Old26
    Old26 12 March 2018 15: 26
    +4
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    because RS-26 The frontier is Vanguard, like a booster rocket it flies at 2000 km as well, and with a hypersonic block it has an intercontinental range
    The question is, why is everyone silent? Does the USA apparently also have some sort of “skeleton in the closet”?

    Respected! Firstly, the RS-26 missile is still called the "Frontier", and not the "Vanguard". Secondly, it can fly both at its full range and at its minimum range. So her minimum is really 2000 km. She flew to this range three times (in 2012, 2013, 2015). In 2012, she flew to a distance of 5800 km.

    And in general, some interesting term you have. In the variant, the launch vehicle flew 2000 km, and with hypersonic it has an intercontinental range. Actually, launch vehicles do not fly at a range. They put the payload into space. Moreover, the "Frontier" has never been tested with a hypersonic winged unit. The flight to the intercontinental range at Rubezh was 23.5.2012, and the first flight design test of 0 was on 4202/27.9.2013/4. That is, after a year and XNUMX months

    Why are they silent about Ruubezh? Yes, the complex is not ready. Although it was accepted into service in 2016, and in 2017 it was supposed to go into service with 2 divisions. However, he didn’t. In all likelihood, the question is in the chassis. Tested on the MKZT chassis, and now KAMAZ pulls the blanket over itself

    Quote: Kasym
    Previously, the United States created strike weapons, and the USSR tried to deal more with defense systems (air defense, anti-ship missiles). Now the roles have changed.

    No more than that. Impact weapons were developed and put into service in quantitative terms, and in terms of nomenclature greater than that of the United States

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    I am glad that we have actually withdrawn from the INF Treaty?

    Why's that? "Frontier" during its second launch (the first was an emergency) flew a distance of 5800 km. All. Further claims that he flew for 2000 are not accepted. The Americans had their Trident flying at 2200, so what? Is this considered a breach of contract?

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    24 October 2012 year PC-26 the third launch was conducted from the Kapustin Yar training range along the internal route to the Sary-Shagan training ground - 2090 km.

    And the third, and fourth, and fifth. But that doesn’t mean anything. The missile in its first launch flew to a range of 5800, that is, to intercontinental. All. Rocket INTERCONTINENTAL

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    there is a minimum and maximum range, the question is what exactly is spelled out in the INF Treaty. Did you read it?
    Formally, we also violated it with the UR-100Н UTTX missile, which has a minimum range of about 1 000 km., And a maximum range of up to 10 000 km.

    Have you read the contract ?? Apparently not read. Otherwise, they would not have written such nonsense. And it’s registered there maximum range. In particular, medium-range missiles are considered to be missiles that fly up to 5500 km. But the lower limit is defined as the lower limit of strategic missiles. Although, if necessary, they can fly 500 km. But for the BRMD, the lower threshold of 500 km is determined (although they may fly less), and the upper one is 1000 km. Minimum range starts are not regulated by any agreements. Otherwise, all existing and existing Soviet and American missiles would violate the principle that you postulate, but which is not true. Trident-2 flew over 2200 km, while the American Minuteman and our UR-100 flew over 800 km ...

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    the Americans are inverted to an average range and media onlybased on 5500 km. but the fact that the hypersonic BB will fly away on 5500 is not taken into account

    You come up with something, and then post it as the ultimate truth. We and the Americans had different ranges (at different times) to designate different types of missiles. We have much less gradations than the Americans. In particular, these are tactical, operational-tactical, operational-tactical long-range, medium-range, intercontinental and global
    Americans have a lot more gradations. In particular, they have for example a category - missiles of a theater of war (theater of operations). They are divided into 2 classes - short-range (300-1000) and medium-range (from 1000 to 3500). There are also intermediate-range missiles (from 3500 to 6000 km). But in the agreement there were two gradations - a shorter range (from 500 to 1000), and a medium range (from 1000 to 5500). Have come to a compromise
    At the same time, no one ever talks about any averaged range parameters. Missile warhead known Х flew away at a distance of 6000 km - this is intercontinental, flew at 4 - medium range.
    Never the carrier itself flies to such ranges - 5500 km. The maximum that he flies away in a holistic state is 600-800 kilometers. After that, the rocket ceases to exist and the blocks fly on their own. the distance of 5500 km was accepted in the contract, either OSV-1, or OSV-2 as the minimum distance between the territories of the USSR and the continental USA (not counting, of course, Alaska-Chukotka)

    Quote: DMB_95
    It is necessary to get out of it, because States violate the Treaty unilaterally. And the “Vanguard” in its characteristics does not fall under the INF.

    Just do not la la. Until the Americans placed the Tomahawks in them, the contract was not violated. Exactly the same claims can be put forward to our Iskander, saying that it can be mounted on a rocket that flies for 1000-2000, or even how many kilometers. It is not yet established - all this is just boltology.

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    war block: for now we are waiting for what they call !!!

    Danunah .... The proposal to give a name concerns three presented systems: a nuclear missile (with a poison), an underwater drone and a laser ... Only three of them. Three systems were called by their own names: Sarmat, Dagger, Vanguard. It seems you didn’t listen to the speech and you know it only in retelling

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    now we already have an anti-aircraft and anti-missile curtain with a very good depression beyond our borders
    С-400, С-300В4, С-500, А-235

    Yeah. S-300B4 can be counted on the fingers of one hand. S-400 shelves do not create a single "fence". The S-500 complex does not yet exist, as does the A-235 missile defense system. Considering how far and at what altitude the S-400 systems are capable of intercepting the anti-missile defense system, such a "missile defense curtain" can be said in one word. He is in very big HOLES ...

    Quote: Herkulesich
    Spears are already breaking here, naively claiming that the rockets of the Avangard and Iskander complexes are the same thing, only the difference in the carrier and the engine! So, gentlemen, naive Chukchi youth, the Iskander is completely out of work here! "Vanguard" missiles created from scratch, by other technologies, and the fact that they look similar and the size is close, is, first of all, the performance characteristics of the complex and the capabilities of existing carriers, which was originally planned for Mig31!

    When you consider such posts, you recall the old joke about the Chukchi.
    The Chukchi returns from Moscow, a bunch of narada comes to the plague and ask, but tell me what you learned there new.
    Chukchi lit a pipe, paused and said
    The most important thing that I found out is that Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels are not four, but two people, and the GLORY of the CPSU is not a person at all.

    So it is here. You read Herculesych and you understand that he didn’t understand that "the glory of the CPSU is not a man at all." I drew Iskander to something here, although Vanguard is this combat equipment (and not a missile) of an intercontinental range complex. And the only complex that can be equipped now is 2-3 dozens of old Soviet missiles (of course, after their deep modernization from 15A35 to 15A71 (15Y71). In the future, the Vanguard can carry the Sarmatian. Everything else. Everything else - FAIRY TALES. As soon as such publications began, I wrote - there will be tales and storytellers. What we see

    Quote: Aleksandr21
    Good news in terms of improving our country's defense capabilities. That's just interesting, what are the delivery dates of the Vanguard for service? Can you wait this year already? Since there is a contract for mass production ... or in 5 years?

    There may be a contract, but there’s nothing to deduce
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 13 March 2018 00: 04
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      Next time, divide your big comment into several small ones, I wanted to put more than one plus, but for one comment it is allowed to put only one!, Regardless of size. hi hi good
      Do not deprive the pleasure of plyusovat! smile
  14. crisp
    crisp 13 March 2018 00: 33
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    I would like to believe all this and not at all thinking that the election is the same ... But I recall the SU-25SM VKS of the Russian Federation, which, like 30 years ago, was shot down in Syria by launching a MANPADS missile from the shoulder of an uneducated bearded man .... If nothing has happened in 30 years it has not changed in this - it is difficult to believe that we are flying in a "plasma".
  15. AleBors
    AleBors 13 March 2018 14: 13
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    “we have a contract for the mass production of these systems.” (c) Explain to me specifically, is there really a difference between the phrases “have a production contract” and “have it in service”?
    Is it available or only on paper?