100 years of the Baltic Fleet Ice Campaign

100 years ago, in February – May 1918, the famous Baltic Ice Camp fleet. The operation to rescue the ships of the Baltic Fleet from capture by German and Finnish troops and transfer them from Helsingfors to Kronstadt. The unique operation was led by the head of the Baltic Sea Forces, Alexei Mikhailovich Schastny.

prehistory

By the beginning of 1917, the Baltic Fleet numbered about 100 thousand people, about 80 thousand sailors, up to 700 combat and auxiliary ships (including 8 battleships, 9 cruisers, 68 destroyers, 28 submarines, etc.). The main bases of the Baltic Fleet were: Kronstadt, Helsingfors, Sveaborg and Revel. The headquarters of the Baltic Fleet Command was located in Helsinki.

Baltic sailors took an active part in the October Revolution and subsequent events, fighting for Soviet power. October 26 1917, at the direction of V.I. Lenin, the sailors, the delegates to the Second Congress of Soviets, created the Naval Revolutionary Committee, the first Soviet all-naval body. People's Commissar for Maritime Affairs, the chairman of the Central Committee of the Baltic Fleet (Tsentrobalt) was appointed P.Ye. Dybenko. In the context of the ongoing war with Germany, the main part of the Baltic Fleet ship structure continued to be defended on the western frontiers, based on Helsingfors and other bases of the Gulf of Finland. The fleet was to protect Petrograd from the sea. However, in the conditions of development in the country of Troubles, civil war, the main role was gained by the use of revolutionary sailor detachments to strengthen the pro-Soviet units of the old army and the Red Guard detachments in the struggle against the forces of counter-revolution. The old imperial army was lost, the new Red Army was just being created, there were very few combat-ready units, so sailors were actively used on land fronts.

In particular, to protect Petrograd from the onset of the counter-revolutionary forces of Krasnov-Kerensky, all combat-capable ships and units were mobilized. In the future, the forces of the fleet were brought to the struggle for the consolidation of Soviet power in Moscow, Ukraine, on the Don, in the Volga region, Orenburg and Transcaucasia. 10 November 1917 The Centrobalt decided to form the first sailor squad to be sent to the Don. Following him, new squads of Baltic sailors were sent to fight Kaledin. 11 January The 1918 of the Kronstadt Council heard a report about the fighting of the Baltic sailors on the Kaledin front and the need to send additional reinforcements there. By decision of the Council, a new sailor squad was formed under the command of a Bolshevik Baltic, KM Kallis. January 19 Vladimir Lenin signed a document certifying that members of the Kronstadt Council KM Kallis, X. 3. Yarchuk and A. Yurkov at the head of the consolidated Kronstadt detachment are delegated to assist the troops operating against Kaledin. On the instructions of Lenin, the combined detachment of the Red Guards and sailors under the command of the Bolshevik, midshipman S. D. Pavlov was sent to Orenburg, where he successfully completed the task of defeating the counter-revolutionary rebellion Ataman Dutov. Sailors also participated in battles in the south of Russia, in the Ukraine. Sailors of the Baltic and Black Sea fleets took part in the establishment of Soviet power in Kiev, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson and Mariupol. According to incomplete data, in November 1917 - February 1918 from 130 thousand people of the navy personnel participated in the fight against counterrevolution 40 thousand seamen.

In addition, the sailors participated in deterring the enemy in the western direction. So, in February - March 1918 sent 9 detachments and sailors of the Baltic Fleet (over 3 thousand people) to fight the German forces under Revel, Pskov and Narva. 29 January (11 February) 1918 of the year issued a decree of the Council of People's Commissars on the establishment of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet (RKKF).

Meanwhile, the situation at the front with Germany and in Finland was extremely dangerous. Peace talks with Germany were delayed, hostilities could resume at any time. The difficult situation was in Finland. Finnish Landtag in December 1917 of the year proclaimed full independence. In January, the 1918 began fighting between the Reds and the Whites - the Finnish Civil War. Finnish nationalists during this period made a bet on Germany and turned to the Germans for help. At the same time, the White Finnish government signed an agreement with Sweden on concerted action, in particular, on the seizure of the Aland Islands from Russia. 15 February 1918 of the Aland Islands has a Swedish fleet under the command of Vice-Admiral Ehrensverd. 22 February the Soviet government was forced to announce the evacuation of Russian forces from the islands.

Icebreaker "Ermak"

Ice trip

February 18 Germany broke the truce with Soviet Russia and launched an offensive on the entire front from the Baltic to the Black Sea. The Baltic Fleet, concentrated in Revel (Tallinn) and Helsingfors (Helsinki), that is, in the Baltic States and Finland, was in great danger. The Germans were able to capture the two main bases of the Baltic Fleet and the ships themselves with one blow, since the ice holding the bay excluded, in their opinion, the possibility of leaving the ships. After that, the Russian capital, Petrograd, came under attack from the sea.

However, the calculations of the enemy failed. The ice situation did not allow ships to be transferred directly to Kronstadt, so it was decided to try using icebreakers to ferry them to the other side of the Gulf of Finland in Helsingfors. 17 February The Board of the Maritime Commissariat sent a corresponding directive to the Central Balt. At the same time, several powerful icebreakers headed by Ermak left Kronstadt for Revel. February, the Volynets icebreaker (originally named Tsar Mikhail Fyodorovich, renamed Volynets in honor of the Volynsky regiment supporting the February revolution) was shipped from Revel to Helsingfors three submarines. The Yermak icebreaker 20 and 21 February brought two more submarines and two vehicles with military cargo.

German troops were already under Revel. On the night of February 24, the Germans on ice tried to approach and capture the coastal batteries of the Wulf and Nargen islands, which covered the approaches to Revel from the sea. Noticed in time, the enemy was driven back by the fire of these batteries. On the afternoon of February 24, a caravan of warships, transports and auxiliary vessels left for Helsingfors. On the same day, “Volynets” and “Yermak”, together with the port icebreakers “Fire” and “Tamar”, brought cruisers “Oleg”, “Rurik”, “Bogatyr”, “Bayan”, “Admiral Makarov” and a number of others ships. Before leaving the city, a group of mine-bombers led by R. R. Grundman blew up all coastal batteries on the coast and on the islands of Wulf and Nargen, including 12-inch turret guns. On February 25, the Germans began to enter the city, but by this time most of the remaining ships were already on the roadstead and began to move to Helsingfors. German aviation attacked a convoy of ships. A fire started on the Riga transport, but they were able to put out it.

Ice trip took place in very difficult conditions. The thickness of the ice was over 70 cm - a serious task even for icebreakers. The road was being laid by the Yermak, cruisers were carefully moving behind it. Small ships and submarines were towed. The difficulties of the winter crossing were aggravated by the fact that on ships in the conditions of the revolutionary hard times there was no 60 - 80% crew. Many officers fled or were killed, the sailors and noncoms fought on land for Soviet power. The trip lasted over two days - the first ships arrived in Helsingfors on the morning of February 27 1918. On the way, only one Unicorn submarine died, ice crushed it, but the crew was rescued.

A total of Revel took away the 56 ships. In Revel, only a portion of the auxiliary vessels and 8 of old submarines remained. Thus, the Baltic seamen endured the first stage of severe tests with honor, saved the ships from being captured by the enemy. And the experience gained in this campaign, soon came in handy again.

3 March 1918 was signed the Brest Peace Treaty. According to the peace agreement, the Russian fleet was to leave Finland. Otherwise, if he remained there, the ships were subject to disarmament and internment. That is, in essence, the fleet became the prey of Germany, since the White Finns were the loyal satellites of the Germans. March 5 The German fleet under the command of Rear Admiral G. Muhrer (2 battleship, 4 destroyer, minesweepers and auxiliary vessels) arrived at the Aland Islands, which were later used as a base for the German intervention in Finland. On April 3, a German Baltic division landed on the Hanko Peninsula (12 thou fighters). On April 7, a detachment of Colonel Brandenstein landed near Loviisa (about 3 thousand bayonets and 12 guns).

Losing the fleet was impossible. He was needed to protect Petrograd and as the core of the future Soviet fleet. Although unity in this matter was not. Lenin ordered the ships to be withdrawn, and Trotsky to leave them to help the Finnish Red Guard. The British offered to destroy the ships so that they would not go to the enemy. On March 6, a meeting of the Council of the Commissioners of the Baltic Fleet took place (this organization changed Tsentrobalt), at which it was decided to immediately prepare for the evacuation of the fleet and the base. Specially for the management of this unprecedented operation, the position of the head of the Naval Forces in the Baltic was established with the rights of a fleet commander, but under the supervision of commissars Sovcombalt. This post was occupied by the captain of the 1 rank Alexei Mikhailovich Shchastny (1881 - 1918), the captain of the 2 rank S.V. Zarubaev became his deputy.

Alexey Mikhailovich was an experienced commander, a participant in the war with Japan. He was considered one of the best communications experts in the navy. In April, 1913 was promoted to the rank of captain of the 2 rank; in 1914 - 1916 - Senior officer of the battleship "Poltava"; in 1916 - 1917 - commander of the destroyer "Border Guard"; February - May 1917 - Headquarters Officer for missions at the headquarters of the Baltic Fleet Commander; since May 1917, the flag captain for the administrative part of the headquarters of the commander of the Baltic Sea fleet; since July 1917, the captain of the 1 rank. After October, remained at his post. In January, 1918 was appointed 1 Assistant Chief of the Military Division of the Centrobalt.

Under the leadership of the officers remaining on the ships and non-commissioned officers, energetic work began. Day and night, without interruption, engine rooms were tidied up, various equipment was checked, fuel was loaded. Of paramount importance was the work of pilots and pilots who were to determine the route of passage of ships through the ice. At the same time, the liquidation commission for Finland was preparing for evacuation of various property located in the warehouses of the naval base.

The first group of Russian ships went on a march through the ices of March 12 of the year 1918. It consisted of the most powerful and militarily valuable ships: the dreadnought battleships Gangut, Petropavlovsk, Sevastopol and Poltava, the cruisers Rurik, Admiral Makarov and Bogatyr. Icebreakers "Ermak" and "Volynets" made the way for the ships. This campaign was much harder than during the transition from Revel to Helsingfors. Now the thickness of the ice reached 3 meters! The squadron moved extremely slowly and only during the day. In addition, there were still not enough sailors and specialists, the crews were equipped only on 20 - 40%. Therefore, on some ships, the sailors were on duty continuously. It was especially hard for the attendants of the engine rooms and the helmsman, as the ships now and then changed course and speed - due to the ice situation. It was only 180 miles to Kronstadt, in the summer the ships would have traveled this distance in 10-12 hours, and they traveled 5 days through ice, from 12 to 17 in March. Russian sailors made a real feat - not a single ship was covered with ice or at least damaged.

The departure of the second detachment of ships from Helsingfors for a long time was delayed due to the fact that the crew of the Volynets icebreaker took it to Revel. The crews of the Tarmo and Black Sea number 1 icebreakers also broke away from the Soviet government. When the most powerful Russian icebreaker, Yermak, tried again to come to Helsingfors, he was shot at by the icebreaker Tarmo and was forced to return to Kronstadt. As a result, the second squad was able to leave Helsingfors only 3 April. The structure included the battleships "Andrey Pervozvanny" and the Republic "(formerly" Pavel "), the cruisers" Oleg "and" Bayan ", the submarines" Tour "," Tiger "and Lynx. Accompanying the squadron low-power icebreakers "Strong" and "City of Revel." Meanwhile, the conditions of the campaign proved to be even more difficult than that of the first squad. Drifting ice floes created powerful congestion, insurmountable for weak icebreakers. Submarines could break the ice at any moment. As a result, "Lynx" received such severe damage that it was forced to return to Helsingfors. The role of the icebreaker took over the battleship "Andrew Pervozvanny." The squadron followed him extremely slowly and in three days reached only the height of Rhoscar Island. However, soon an icebreaker “Yermak” came to the rescue of the detachment, which covered the cruiser “Rurik”. It became easier to walk, although the ice still tormented the crews a lot. Only 18 April squadron arrived in Kronstadt. Thus, the largest ships of the Baltic Fleet were safe.

The third detachment of ships was the most numerous - 184 pennant: destroyers, destroyers, submarines, minelayers, minesweepers, patrol ships, etc. In addition, it was necessary to divert dozens of merchant ships. All ships and ships took a different route than before. The ice has already begun to move and the path through the center of the Gulf of Finland has become deadly for small ships and ships. Therefore Shchastny and Zarubaev decided to lead the third detachment by the so-called “strategic fairway” - he ran along the edge of the skerries in the northern part of the bay. The ice shell there was still whole, and more subtle, which was of great importance, since it was necessary to rely only on low-powered port icebreakers.

The ships left Helsingfors in five echelons between 7 and 11 in April. The first group (8 submarines and 2 steamer) stuck in the ice south of Kotka. The ships of the second group (6 transports, 5 minesweepers and 2 submarines) freed them from the ice captivity, after which the two groups went together. Early in the morning of April 11 left immediately 100 ships, the last to leave in the afternoon was a detachment of destroyers. Shchastny himself left Helsingfors on the staff ship "Krechet". On the outskirts of the city were already German troops. The city was captured on April 14.

Ships and ships followed the long trail along the Finnish coast. They were fired at Finnish artillery more than once, but they continued on their way. Most of the ships of the third detachment arrived in Kronstadt 16 - April 18, the remaining - April 22. During the trip, not a single vessel was lost, despite the difficulty of the passage, the hostile situation and the lack of crew.

Results

The ice trip has become an unprecedented event in the world naval stories. Russian sailors contributed another slanted page to the Russian marine chronicle. The Baltic Fleet was saved. Also removed two brigades of the air fleet, equipment of the fortress and forts, and other military materials. In Finland, there were only unfinished guard and trawlers, as well as several small vessels with extremely worn mechanisms and merchant ships. The Germans returned part of the ships in May.

Unfortunately, this feat did not bring deserved glory to the actual head of the Baltic Fleet. On May 27, he was arrested under the personal order of Leonid Trotsky, the people's commissar for military and maritime affairs, and on the basis of materials prepared by the Military Control: “for crimes of office and counter-revolutionary actions”. During this period, Trotsky ordered the preparation of the ships of the Baltic and Black Sea fleets for destruction, so that they would not reach the enemy (there was a possibility of the capture of Petrograd and Novorossiysk by the German army). In order to deprive the Baltic sailors, outraged by this decision, the leader, Shchastny was summoned to Moscow and arrested. 22 June Alexey Shchastny was shot. In fact, "the agent of influence of the West" Trotsky killed the Russian officer "for the salvation of the Baltic fleet." In 1995, Shchastny was officially rehabilitated.

Captain of 1 rank Alexei Mikhailovich Shchastny, Chief of the Naval Forces (Namorsi) of the Baltic Fleet, on the deck of the messenger ship “Krechet” during the Ice Campaign

Comments

[Bouncer]

Heroic Fleet Page
With a sad ending for heroes

[Korsar4]

The campaign is heroic. But, again, why:

1. The Brest Peace - the abandonment of everything and everything.
2. "Butts drive gray admirals
Head down
From the bridge in Helsingfors "(c).

And then - we will overcome the ice and the shift without changing.

[Amurets]

Ships and ships followed the long trail along the Finnish coast. They were fired at Finnish artillery more than once, but they continued on their way. Most of the ships of the third detachment arrived in Kronstadt 16 - April 18, the remaining - April 22. During the trip, not a single vessel was lost, despite the difficulty of the passage, the hostile situation and the lack of crew.

Here is how L. Sobolev described his participation in the "Ice Campaign" figuratively: Then - in April - heavy ice covered the Helsingfors harbor and the heavy steps of the Mannerheim detachments sounded at the harbor itself. The Finnish revolution was crushed by the interventionists, and the Baltic Fleet lost its base. The ships had to be saved, it was necessary to bring them through the ice to Kronstadt. Without cars, almost without fuel, the Baltic people took ships - all that could somehow move. Battleships and cruisers, destroyers and submarines walked along the ice road punched by the icebreaker Ermak.
But we couldn’t move: on Orpheus, the destroyer, the left rowing shaft was bent, and there was a “cabbage” in the right turbine - its blades were crushed by an autumn accident. We stood in the southern harbor of Helsingfors, in the center of the city, and looked at the ships of the Baltic Fleet departing on their own. Until April 12, we did not know how we would be able to save our ship from the pressure of the German troops called up by the Finnish bourgeoisie under the command of General Mannerheim. Part of the team switched to "The Guardian": there were only four people on it, but the cars somehow spun. The Guardian also left before our eyes - slowly, in a small stroke, barely pushing the ice broken by the ships ... His cry was picked up by a thick and hoarse whistle. We looked around - a dirty pot-bellied transport flying the Soviet flag approached us.
In the old days, such ships had the contemptuous name "bandura" in the navy. They were also called "merchants" or "transporters." And such a “bandura” with a grand opening of six knots came up to the elegant and slender, but anonymous destroyer. A man in an inconceivable shaggy robe threw a throwing end at our tank. His thin snake brought a six-inch cable to our bollards, the "bandura" started to move, and Helsingfors began to slowly move away with the white finns, who were already looking at the lone Soviet destroyer ... For twelve long and difficult days we went in tow of the Burlak. He pushed the ice broken by Ermak with his wide belly, saving with his own sides the thin and graceful contours of the warship. Then I did not see this transport anywhere. But forever remained in my memory his wide and dirty feed ...
In an ice campaign, the merchant fleet rendered the military invaluable service. His icebreakers "Ermak", "Advance" and others broke the ice for the passage of battleships, cruisers, destroyers. Behind the sturdy hulls of the Lucy, Burlaka, Izhe, Vedi, and dozens of others, destroyers and submarines made their way through the ice. "

[Olgovich]

. In the context of the ongoing war with Germany, the bulk of the naval composition of the Baltic Fleet continued to maintain defense on the western borders. However, in the conditions of development in the country of Troubles, civil war, the main role acquired the use of revolutionary sailor detachments to strengthen the pro-Soviet units of the old army and Red Guard detachments in the struggle against the forces of counter-revolution

In how: not to fight the invaders, but ..... with your own. With the occupiers, a decree of peace, with their own war.

The old imperial army is dead new The Red Army has just begun to create

What is it "new"? Weren't the same soldiers there? Not the same officers?

Happily, eternal memory and gratitude for saving the fleet.

[avt]

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Happily, eternal memory and gratitude for saving the fleet.

Well, what can I say - ,, People who are servile dogs are real dogs sometimes, the heavier the punishment, the better they are gentlemen. "A serf, even if he calls himself a nobleman, is a serf and remains, if Akhi Mikhailo Lomonosov doesn’t inflame thirst for becoming an intellectual. Not better than the previous one posted here on the site.

At the same time, the Belofin government signed an agreement with Sweden on concerted actions, in particular, on the exclusion of the Aland Islands from Russia. On February 15, 1918, the Swedish Navy appeared under the command of Vice Admiral Ehrensverd near the Åland Islands. On February 22, the Soviet government was forced to declare the evacuation of Russian forces from the islands.

Author what? Not aware of how the ships were blown up there ?? So in memory of the submarine AG, the newest. The heroic Schastny did not even attempt to send icebreakers for withdrawal to Helsingsfors. Again, he said earlier - why Schastny did not organize the protection of the most valuable ships at that time - icebreakers? Yes, only for hijacking one Tarmo, the second most powerful after Ermak, which stands in the museum parking lot in Finland, he had to be put there still in Helsingsfors! The author didn’t, in the “how many icebreakers were stolen ?? The author positions himself as a historian, Well, open up the background of the relationship on the topic between ,, Krechet "and ,, Standard."

Quote: Amurets

In the old days, such ships had the contemptuous name "bandura" in the navy. They were also called "merchants" or "transporters." And such a “bandura” with a grand opening of six knots came up to the elegant and slender, but anonymous destroyer. A man in an inconceivable shaggy robe threw a throwing end at our tank.

But this was the decision of the Central Balt! Shchastny and his team were initially opposed to attracting teams and vessels of the merchant and auxiliary fleet, and this despite a significant shortage of crews due to desertion. Finally, if the author undertook to describe

Ships left Helsingfors with five echelons from April 7 to 11. The first group (8 submarines and 2 steamships) stuck in the ice south of Kotka.

Directly ship-by-train echelons withdrawn from Helsingsfors, why not publicize the original plan of Shchastny and the lists of ships that should have been deduced according to that plan (and horseradish would even have been removed if, thanks to the Central Bullet, they had not introduced additional protection for the remaining icebreakers in spite of Schastny), and which remained practical for the Germans. Then the heroic image of the vainly rehabilitated enemy of the Soviet regime and the image of the fleet savior somehow fade sharply. So the wording of Trotsky

“For ex officio crimes and counter-revolutionary actions”

quite capacious and reflects the actions of the hero of the story, panegyrics to which here are already sung in chorus. Trotsky was anyone, but not a fool and a destroyer of military specialists from the officers of the tsarist army. The analysis of the Ice Camp was serious and the conclusions on it made quite adequate. ,, In those days, distant, now almost epic "and for less it was possible to go to the tribunal without appeal, and even in the shortest possible time to get a bullet.

[Olgovich]

Quote: avt

Serf, even if he calls himself a nobleman, serf and remains

Any serf, cursing the nobles, did not mind becoming that very .... nobleman. And he committed atrocities (if he became) a hundred times worse.

Quote: avt

why shchastny not organized protection of the most valuable ships at that time - icebreakers? Yes, only for theft of one Tarmo

Why these snot about Tarmo: having lost their head, they do not cry through their hair.
Tarmo was ordered by the Finnish Senate and paid for with Finnish stamps; SNK recognized Finland's independence in December 1917. In any case, it was Arrangement between SNK and Finland about TRANSFER OF FINLAND BREAKER after the transition of the fleet to Kronstadt.
The Finns took it a little earlier - the essence of this has not changed.
Schastny made the maximum that was possible under the conditions of the Bolshevik mess and the fleet in Kronstadt led. It is a fact. .

Quote: avt

So Trotsky’s wording
“For ex officio crimes and counter-revolutionary actions”
quite capacious and reflects the actions of the hero of the story

Who is Bronstein? Shchastny was tried The revolutionary tribunal at the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.
In the verdict of this so-called court it was clearly written what he was killed for: because

"he, the Shy, led counter-revolutionary agitation in the Council of Fleet Commissars and in the Council of Flagships, he consciously and explicitly prepared the conditions for a counterrevolutionary coup d'etat, trying to restore the fleet sailors and their organization against decisions and orders approved by the Council of People's Commissars, deceitfully suggested that the Soviet government was indifferent to saving the fleet

and other similar ordinary Bolshevik nonsense.
Not a word about bad leadership during the transitions there.

Quote: avt

Trotsky was anything but a fool

If not fool, then whyedorub on the headgot it?

Quote: avt

Centrobalt!

cool Authority .!
No wonder its chairman, people's commissar Dybenko (unaware of the "American language" in 1937) received a bullet to the headlike american Spy. It was also evidently.

Quote: avt

not a fool

[avt]

Quote: Olgovich

Tarmo was ordered by the Finnish Senate and paid by Finnish stamps,

And here is the sharpie from the club of the noble assembly of the Proletarian district erupted with ,, facts " Well, according to the cheating logic, the destroyer ,, Emir Bukharsky "had to be sent to the desert. But how did the evil-minded Bolsheviks not give the Finns the destroyer ,, Finn" built for the Finnish money for mortgaged in that same Finland? .

Quote: Olgovich

In any case, there was an agreement between SNK and Finland on the transfer of the icebreaker to Finland after the fleet moved to Kronstadt.

What kind of nonsense the intellectuals, and even the nobility to come up with, in order not to recognize the facts of objective reality, Tarmo was captured and taken to the belofins by a specific officer of the former imperial fleet with his comrades, and his surname is well known to himself, but this is not a fact for cheaters. it is necessary to go about the transfer of fleet ships to the Baltic states, which in fact turned out to be a port dredger and scandals mobilized. The main thing is to prove that it was the Bolsheviks who stole the icebreakers themselves. Do you want to look for lists? Only about Tarmo something managed to scrape together?

Quote: Olgovich

Schastny made the maximum that was possible under the conditions of the Bolshevik mess and the fleet in Kronstadt led. It is a fact. .

The fact is that the fleet in Kronstadt led contrary to the plan of Schastny and sabotage of officers, which is quite understandable in the conditions of the civil war. By the way, what? Weak

Quote: avt

why not publicize Shchastny’s original plan and lists of ships that should have been deduced according to that plan (and horseradish would have even removed them if, thanks to the Central Balt, they had not added additional protection to the remaining icebreakers in spite of Schastny), and which remained practically for the Germans

Is it annoying to destroy the image of the "savior" of the fleet with concrete facts, and not with riches that you are getting rich with? And in vain, it’s a very interesting e-fact in the confrontation between ,, Krechet and Standard, but judging by

Quote: Olgovich

No wonder its chairman, people's commissar Dybenko (unaware of the "American language" in 1937) got a bullet in his head like an American Spy. It was also evidently.

Well, it’s even cooler, “recognition is the queen of evidence” from Vyshinsky! It turns out, in the opinion of self-proclaimed nobles, spies must know the language of the country whose agent he was recruited by! Only medicine can help here, so don’t look for it better.

[Gopnik]

Quote: avt

. They need to get guns about the transfer of fleet ships to the Baltic states, which in fact turned out to be a port dredger and scam mobilized

Eco at the clown is blazing when he was caught on incompetence and poked with his face, still does not let go The sofa is not burnt?

[avt]

Quote: Gopnik

The eco of a clown is blazing when he was caught on incompetence

Then I look muzzle hatched in ,, competence "of the concept of ships and ships Gopot grumbled, in his puffs to give out his shit for someone else's. Let’s list the SHIP of the Baltic Fleet handed over by the Bolsheviks to the Baltic states, then you will grin. In the meantime, scatter from here to work as a search engine

[Gopnik]

Clown, don’t move out and you look so funny and immediately recognizable profiled vocabulary flooded, socially and classically close

[avt]

Quote: Gopnik

vocabulary flooded, socially and classically close

Whose will you be? Whose serf I ask.

[Gopnik]

Wanted to measure the lords? Break off, I, unlike you, are not a serf

[Amurets]

Quote: avt

The fact is that the fleet in Kronstadt led contrary to the plan of Schastny and sabotage of officers, which is quite understandable in the conditions of the civil war. By the way, what? Weak

Here to help you remember Admiral Isakov’s recollections of what happened in Helsigofors in April 1918: “Germans and huntsmen were approaching Helsingfors. Someone scattered an anonymous leaflet in the port. It promised a monetary reward to anyone who would assist in the delivery of German ships.” “Polar a star ”in Central Balta and at the headquarters“ Krechet ”was granted by representatives from local banks - the banks, it turns out, are willing to buy Russian ships for the Finnish government. What kind of red? .. No,“ for the legitimate government of Finland. ”
The movement of ice began, which is dangerous for the fragile hulls of ships of the mine and watch divisions. But besides the Ermak, there were almost no icebreakers left. The “Volynets” is also captured by the whites; now it serves as the linear squadron of Maurer; huntsmen and Finnish rulers cannot wait for it. The crew of the icebreaking tug Nargen refused to go to Kronstadt - they had to be replaced by military sailors, weakening the already poorly populated ships.
The Germans demanded to dismiss the commands of all Soviet ships, remove mines, charges, gun locks, unload everything on one barge to transfer Germany as a trophy, and leave only guards on ships — Izyaslav, like other destroyers, ten people. And wait for the squadron of Maurer.
The British hastened to bring their submarines to the raid and defiantly flooded them. They also wanted to blow up the Obsidian military transport, which was half-ransacked: it contained the Baltic Fleet’s property, weapons, ammunition, and uniforms. A small landing saved the Obsidian from destruction. "
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[avt]

Quote: Amurets

The Germans demanded to dismiss the commands of all Soviet ships, remove mines, charges, gun locks, unload everything on one barge to transfer Germany as a trophy, and leave only guards on ships — Izyaslav, like other destroyers, ten people. And wait for the squadron of Maurer.

It's like that ! In accordance with the separate Brest peace, ships MUST remain at basing points. So the Bolsheviks withdrew ships from Revel and Helsingsfors contrary to the signed agreements. And Sablin sabotaged the order to flood the ships in Novorossiysk and in fact handed over part of the squadron to the Germans. It was all sooooo very complicated, not at all like the struggle of knights in white robes versus dark forces.

Quote: Amurets

But besides the Ermak, there were almost no icebreakers left. “Volynets” is also captured by white,

By the way! A very interesting fate of the icebreaker - built in Germany as ,, Mikhail Fedorovich "(began to be, according to the logic of Olgovich, should have been transferred to the Germans ) after the hijacking until the age of 22, he was with the White Finns, then handed over to the Estonians and ... at 41 returned to the USSR and became Volynets again. “Yes! But wasn’t the Central Balt on the“ Standard ”then? It seems that they should have already moved with Polyarnaya. But I won’t argue with Isahakyan.

[Gopnik]

Quote: avt

the fate of the icebreaker - built in Germany as ,, Mikhail Fedorovich "(began to be according to the logic of Olgovich should have been transferred to the Germans)

well you are a clown I perfectly understood that Olgovich wrote (not so dumb, I hope), but you start to turn on the fool and clown

[avt]

Quote: Gopnik

but you start fooling around and clowning around

Scatter under the bench

stupid slave

and do not get out until the Bolsheviks provide a list of the ships transferred to the Balts.

[Gopnik]

Clown you're funny Not for you, something to me to "kick" here. Fucked up, so be able to admit. The Bolsheviks passed the Baltic Fleet icebreakers to the Baltic states, although you did not want to admit it.

[avt]

Quote: Gopnik

The Bolsheviks passed the Baltic Fleet icebreakers to the Baltic states,

Stupid serf! How do you submit the petition to the king !? The list of ships handed over by the Bolsheviks, come on, and not a balabol here about anything. Ali is not literate and do not know what is the list? So scat under the bench at the stable.

[Gopnik]

Oh you bast shoes and you don’t want a list of personnel?

[Olgovich]

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And here is the sharpie from the club of the noble assembly of the Proletarian district erupted with ,, facts "

Oh, the ilych witnesses pulled themselves up!

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.And how did the mischievous Bolsheviks not give the Finns the destroyer ,, Finn "built with Finnish money for mortgaged in that very Finland?

Who needed it? It was decommissioned after a couple of years.

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What kind of nonsense can intellectuals come up with, and even the nobility, so as not to admit facts of objective reality - Tarmo was captured and taken to the white whales by a specific officer of the former imperial fleet with his comrades and his surname is well known to himself, but this is not a fact for cheaters

The objective reality is that long before this SNK agreed on the transfer of Tarmo to the Finns. And not to the white Finns, but to the LAW, recognized by the foreign tourism government of Finland.

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The main thing is to prove that it is the Bolsheviks themselves stole icebreakers

Stole ?! HANDED - left and right - ships, lands, people, property, gold of Russia

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The fact is that the fleet in Kronstadt led contrary to the plan of Schastny and sabotage of officers, which is quite understandable in the conditions of the civil war.

Led under the command of Shchastny and officers. For the cocks did not understand this (even the American language was not mastered )

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and horseradish would even bring them

Your "would" cost less than zero.

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Pissed off to destroy the image of the "savior" of the fleet with concrete facts, and not with rumors that are getting rich?

You obviously

Quote: avt

Pissed off

, but for me your "would" facts are not

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It turns out, in the opinion of the self-proclaimed nobles, the spies are still obliged to know the language of the country whose agent he was recruited!

My dear man, this is YOUR Bolshevik People’s Commissar, the central baltist Dybenko brought this "iron" the argument (about ignorance of the American language) in favor of the fact that he is not an American spy. But other steel Bolsheviks did not accept it and split it, however, enemy of the people. .
Such here fierce enemy led the fleet.

[parusnik]

Unfortunately, this feat did not bring deserved fame to the actual leader of the Baltic Fleet.

[Quote] [/ quote] [b] [/ b] ... Unfortunately ....

[rkkasa xnumx]

Who is really interested, for which the Bolsheviks shot Shchastny, I recommend not to listen to stories about Trotsky’s influence agent, but to watch a video by Yegor Yakovlev and Kirill Nazarenko:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm7JzPe7l8

[avt]

Quote: rkkasa 81

Who is really interested

Who cares, they should meticulously analyze the FACTS without exaltation, and they are quite accessible, taking into account the time, political situation and the military, too-Goltz already crushed the Red Finns quite successfully. Instead of throwing out slogans that do not fit in their own thoughts and hesitating, hesitating with the “party line.” Unfortunately, the topic of the Ice Campaign has not been properly disclosed.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: avt

Unfortunately, the topic of the Ice Camp is not properly disclosed.

Well, the video is not specifically dedicated to the Ice Campaign. Therefore, the topic of LP is touched upon in passing.

Quote: avt

Who cares, they should meticulously analyze the FACTS without exaltation, and they are quite accessible, taking into account time, the political situation and the military too

That's about the political situation, about the military, about the historical moment, the video just tells.

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And do not throw out those that do not fit in your own thoughts and throw slogans, hesitating with the line of the party "

What other slogans and fluctuations of the party line?

[BAI]

Now citizens are being activated here, about whom in the next article it is said about A. Matrosov:

Our communist past is not good. It is totalitarian and undemocratic. We must forget, dear, it is necessary.

[uskrabut]

Trotsky brought a lot of troubles to Russia, it was not in vain that they got it and eliminated it in America. It would be necessary to establish production of ice axes in the Russian Federation, otherwise again a lot of traitors divorced.

[Alexey Gorshkov]

Good article! One can immediately see who is the patriot of Russia and who is the “mishandled Cossack”! Yes, for one Shchastny “innocently killed” Trotsky completely deserved his ice ax! But there was also his frankly-treacherous position - "to leave the fleet to support the Finnish Reds" - in other words - to hand over the Russian fleet to the ENEMY! I always infuriated mixing in one pile under the name "Bolsheviks" ALL !!! And Stalin is always to blame! But was it not the Bolshevik Trotsky who ordered the execution of the Bolshevik (maybe a non-partisan one, but recognizing Soviet power, definitely red) Schastny? And was it not the Bolshevik Stalin who ordered the liquidation of Trotsky? What unity is there ...