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Kurds refused to leave Afrin in exchange for stopping the Turkish operation

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The Kurdish Self-Defense Forces (KSS) refused the offer to leave Afrin in exchange for stopping the operation of the Turkish troops, reports RIA News statement by KCC representative Nuri Mahmud.




Two days ago, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said that the city of Afrin is surrounded and Turkish units are ready to enter it "at any time." After that, one of the local parties, the Kurdish Democratic Progressive Party (KDPP), launched an initiative to withdraw the Kurdish formations from Afrin to end the hostilities.

We are Syrian forces defending the Syrian land. We cannot leave and make room for the IG and Al-Qaida (both groups are banned in the Russian Federation). Such an initiative is rejected.
said the agency Mahmoud.

This party (KDPP) itself is present in areas in the north of Syria under the protection of the KSS. I do not know on what basis the proposal was made, what its weight was, and whether the party has the opportunity to be an intermediary between us and the Turkish forces,
he concluded.

Earlier, the representative of the KDPP, Ahmed Suleiman, said that “the situation in Afrin is dangerous and threatens more than a million people,” in connection with which the party offers the Kurdish troops “to leave the city in exchange for the return of the Turkish military to their country.” Later, according to him, a civil administration will be created in Afrin.

Recall the operation "Olive Branch", directed against the Kurdish formations in Afrin, is being carried out by Turkey together with the "Syrian Free Army" since January 20 of the current year. Damascus strongly condemned the actions of Ankara, noting that the territory of Afrin is an integral part of the SAR.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 11 March 2018 17: 28
    +2
    Well. Kurds don’t give up .. Well, what about the words of the Sultan "we’ll enter at any moment" .. So try ..
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 March 2018 17: 34
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      . So try ..

      So I’m scary. It’s one thing to march through the wasteland and enter the settlement differently ... knowing full well that it didn’t work out through the wasteland of the march either.
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 11 March 2018 17: 47
        +11
        “Marching” - said loudly. 19 km in 6 weeks. I must say, so-so pace for the "second army of NATO" ...
        But Afrin, meanwhile, was completely blocked today like. You can get out of there only with vegetable gardens now. Tomorrow, probably, all paths will be blocked.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 11 March 2018 18: 00
          +6
          Kurds will have to leave Afrin. The United States will help them in this. Otherwise, when the Kurds are defeated by the Turks (and the Turks take the city), the United States will lose its face - they are on the side of the Kurds. And if the mattresses still ignore the position of the Kurds in Afrin, then the rest of the Kurds will turn away from them, and not only in Syria. So, I think there will be no slaughter in Afrin. And by the way: the departure of the Kurds from the city to Assad’s hands - in this way he will occupy an important city without clashes with the Kurds. And the fact that the Turks will give Afrin Assad, there is no doubt,
          1. svp67
            svp67 11 March 2018 18: 06
            +5
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Otherwise, when the Kurds are defeated by the Turks (and the Turks take the city), the United States will lose its face - they are on the side of the Kurds

            In this situation, the US is "losing face" in any case ... They promised the Kurds autonomy, and not only will they have to forget about it, they also have to leave their homes
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 11 March 2018 18: 13
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              In this situation, the US is "losing face" in any case ... They promised the Kurds autonomy, and not only will they have to forget about it, they also have to leave their homes

              The United States will lose face if the Kurds are defeated, and having retained their skeleton, they give the Kurds hope that their dreams will come true in the future. And those Kurds who leave their homes will return to them later, when the city is occupied by Syrian troops. But with only one “but”: the power there will be Syrian, which means that Turkey will have no complaints about the Kurds remaining in Afghanistan.
              1. svp67
                svp67 11 March 2018 18: 39
                0
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                And those Kurds who leave their homes will return to them later, when the city is occupied by Syrian troops.

                Will Assad tolerate an “armed freemen”? Big doubt
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 11 March 2018 18: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  Will Assad tolerate an “armed freemen”? Big doubt

                  And there will be no armed freemen. There will be Kurds loyal to the Syrian authorities. They have no other choice - the Turks showed them to them by the example of their operation.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 11 March 2018 18: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    They have no other choice - the Turks showed them to them by the example of their operation.

                    It seems to me that the Syrians will add, if necessary ...
                    1. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 11 March 2018 18: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: svp67
                      It seems to me that the Syrians will add, if necessary ...

                      There is no doubt about it! hi
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 11 March 2018 20: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: СРЦ П-15
                        Quote: svp67
                        It seems to me that the Syrians will add, if necessary ...
                        There is no doubt about it!

                        Assad today lacks the strength to defeat the remnants of Daesh and Jebhat al-Nusra, whom both Gute and the environs of Alleppo are unmeasured, organized, armed and motivated. And only the help of Russia in the form of the air forces and in the organization of the so-called "armistice zones" does not allow the fire of the civil war to break out again. Assad’s army is weak, a monstrous deficit in trained officers.
                        As an example - the state on the outskirts of Soviet Russia at the end of the civil war - from the Polish borders to Central Asia and the Far East.
                      2. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 11 March 2018 21: 22
                        0
                        Quote: SRC P-15
                        Kurds will have to leave Afrin.

                        And where should they go? Camp in the open field, what would be more convenient for the Turks to bomb them? This is for ISIS the USA provides convenient buses and sends to Afghanistan for retraining.
                        Quote: SRC P-15
                        And the fact that the Turks will give Afrin Assad, there is no doubt

                        I remind you that Erdogan bluntly stated that Assad should not be. Generally.

                        That is, if he gives Afrin. it’s only a puppet controlled. This is NATO. Where they got in - you can burn out only napalm.
              2. 210ox
                210ox 11 March 2018 18: 49
                0
                The cat does not lose its face .. That is, the muzzle .. When it licks its own guano.
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Quote: svp67
                In this situation, the US is "losing face" in any case ... They promised the Kurds autonomy, and not only will they have to forget about it, they also have to leave their homes

                The United States will lose face if the Kurds are defeated, and having retained their skeleton, they give the Kurds hope that their dreams will come true in the future. And those Kurds who leave their homes will return to them later, when the city is occupied by Syrian troops. But with only one “but”: the power there will be Syrian, which means that Turkey will have no complaints about the Kurds remaining in Afghanistan.
          2. Anyone
            Anyone 11 March 2018 18: 17
            +3
            The Athenian Kurds are not formally part of the SDF, although they are part of the YPG, which is part of the SDF))
            The United States withdrew from the Kurdish problem in Afrin, and generally, the Kurds from the west bank of the Euphrates. In the end, the Democratic forces of Syria, which the United States dances, are not just an ethnic army. Therefore, the Yankees can safely divide the Kurds into friends and foes. The Athenian Kurds from the PKK, for a minute, are officially recognized by the EU and the United States as terrorists. So, it will do without any loss of face from the Yankees. Except, of course, the moment when the sultan demonstrates to the whole world how he turned NATO in one place. At the same time, being a member of NATO.
            The Turks of Afrin will take, cut out the PKK, the rest of the Kurds will be peacefully squeezed deep into Syria, populating Afrin with their light green whores from the Syrian Free Army and the hundreds of thousands of Syrian Sunni refugees who are now hanging out in Turkey ...
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 11 March 2018 18: 25
              +2
              Quote: Anyone
              The Turks of Afrin will take, cut out the PKK, the rest of the Kurds will be peacefully squeezed deep into Syria, populating Afrin with their light green whores from the Syrian Free Army and the hundreds of thousands of Syrian Sunni refugees who are now hanging out in Turkey ...

              But this will conflict with the agreements of Erdogan and Putin. Putin for a united Syria and Erdogan also talked about this. Therefore, I think it will be the way they agreed. And the fact that they have an agreement can be seen from the fact that Putin does not oppose the Turkish operation in Afghanistan.
              1. Anyone
                Anyone 11 March 2018 18: 53
                +1
                There is no contradiction here. It is unlikely that any of the leaders you have listed will openly oppose the return of Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria. But where they will return is a question of the creative approach of the Sultan to the ethnic problem of Afrin.
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 11 March 2018 20: 17
                0
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                But this will conflict with the agreements of Erdogan and Putin.

                Erdogash - he is so unpredictable ....
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 11 March 2018 19: 06
              0
              I think so too. Turkey will make Afrin its own, displacing the Kurds in Aleppo and Efrat.
              And virtually all of northwestern Syria will become Turkish.
              A misfire can happen if undisciplined Turkomans start a massacre in Kurdish villages.
              Then the UN, Europe, NATO will intervene, there will be noise, and Erdogan's "Ottoman" plans will collapse.
              1. Anyone
                Anyone 11 March 2018 19: 19
                0
                Will they be forced out in Allepo? It is still unknown what the sultan’s plans are for this governorate. Some Turkish media had declared Afrin "Turkish" just now, and Reggie was broadcasting about his Napoleonic plans for Manbij and other Syrian regions
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 11 March 2018 20: 18
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Turkey will make Afrin its own, displacing the Kurds in Aleppo and Efrat.
                And virtually all of northwestern Syria will become Turkish.

                I agree.
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 11 March 2018 20: 19
            0
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Kurds will have to leave Afrin. The United States will help them in this. Otherwise, when the Kurds are defeated by the Turks (and the Turks take the city), the United States will lose its face - they are on the side of the Kurds. And if the mattresses still ignore the position of the Kurds in Afrin, then the rest of the Kurds will turn away from them, and not only in Syria.

            As I understand it, the Americans need this massacre. Nobody will turn away from them, the United States will increase cash infusions, bring weapons and will now openly agitate the Kurds in the union, under the slogan that they are fighting for their independence, and not for the United States.
            Remember September 11th, this is only the beginning of pulling the Kurds into a big war.
        2. svp67
          svp67 11 March 2018 18: 04
          +1
          Quote: Anyone
          You can get out of there only with vegetable gardens now.

          Let's see if the Turks took into account the "underground factor"
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 11 March 2018 18: 31
            +1
            I think the Kurds understand that in the field, the Turks with their tanks and planes / helicopters will divide them by zero in any case. In urban areas can still fight. Therefore, they pulled forces into Afrin ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 March 2018 18: 47
              +4
              Quote: Anyone
              ... divide them by zero ...

              It’s scary to even think what could happen in the end belay
        3. tekinoral
          tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 11
          +1
          Do you know the area well? As you marched, there aren’t any destroyed villages and towns, almost no killed citizens, in fact it’s a great success!
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          1. tekinoral
            tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 30
            +1
            their elite already escaped
      2. Safevi
        Safevi 11 March 2018 18: 52
        +4
        .. "Well, what about the words of the Sultan," we’ll enter at any moment ".. So try."
        Erdogan usually keeps his word. Afrin is ALREADY surrounded on 4 sides. Today, the Turkish Air Force bombed heavily in northern Iraq - on the bases of the PKK. An hour ago, the Kurds attempted a sortie in the Ginderes area. The self-propelled guns "Firtyna" are now working on them. So they try. laughing laughing .
      3. tekinoral
        tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 40
        +2
        Н
        Quote: svp67
        So I’m scary.

        Do not make me laugh !
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 11 March 2018 17: 42
      +3
      Take the Afrin from the attack from the Turks will not work. And in general, will they take the question? winked
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 11 March 2018 17: 48
        +4
        Unfortunately, they will.
        1. Ramzay121
          Ramzay121 12 March 2018 11: 00
          +1
          fortunately and not only afrin
      2. Safevi
        Safevi 11 March 2018 18: 54
        +2
        But Erdogan did not say that the Turkish army would conduct street battles in Afrin. He said literally the following: "We will surround Afrin and force the terrorists to surrender."
      3. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 12 March 2018 10: 58
        +1
        they’ll take it, and then they will turn it over again, as in a joke. Do not doubt. By the way, in Afrina there are already skirmishes and riots between residents and Kurdish terrorists. Therefore, they are invited to leave the city for good, otherwise ... Khan
    3. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 11 March 2018 17: 45
      +2
      They will not leave, otherwise they will cease to be Kurds.
      1. svp67
        svp67 11 March 2018 18: 08
        +2
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        They will not leave, otherwise they will cease to be Kurds.

        And if they don’t leave, then they will cease to be at all ... Turkish amateurs "at the root" solve the "Kurdish issue" with grenades and flamethrowers
      2. tekinoral
        tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 15
        +1
        Pyd command staff already flees from Afrin, scared as always
    4. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx 11 March 2018 18: 12
      +4
      Surround, probably in plans to exhaust. The assault will be even for further control Afrin police forces introduced. There is no sense in rushing for the Turks, the pro-Turkish forces are at the forefront, 15 trained by the Turks.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 11 March 2018 18: 54
        +4
        4 roads lead to Afrin, 3 are already under the control of Turkish forces. Around the city, there can be problems only with highway 62. Therefore, we turned to Miarameim, there is a prevailing rocky area near the road, having met at Kerzakhel with forces that go along the highway and open spaces 217 from the side Ain Dara. Route 62 will be cut, from this point to Afrin less than 5 kilometers away. The trap is provided with Kurds with the local population are doomed, a matter of time.
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 11 March 2018 19: 24
        +2
        Afrin is already in direct view

        Turks militarily patriotic fanatical guys to the question what do you say to those who are waiting for you at home? The answer is "let them not wait." Where are you going? "To the golden apple" in the mythology of the Turks means an unattainable place in heaven, but which must be won. What can you say to Turkey?
      3. tekinoral
        tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 42
        +1
        They will come in, but do not want the victims to be among the civilian population!
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 11 March 2018 19: 53
          +4
          .
          Quote: tekinoral
          They will come in, but do not want the victims to be among the civilian population!

          Victims will be history does not yet know a single army that would not kill civilians in an attack on the city. When a sniper from an apartment building works, an RPG usually flies back. When an enemy is working from a residential building across the street, no one goes to the bayonet under heavy fire, as a rule this is a large apartment building. Alas, this is the face of war, peaceful in this case, either making legs or picking up arms. Most do legs, as a rule, those who do not have time to die during stripping.
          We are at a military forum, this is what comrades need to understand by virtue of their profession. But sometimes the impression is that this is an anonymous circle of pacifists.
          1. tekinoral
            tekinoral 11 March 2018 22: 05
            0
            We all still hope that they will release the civilian population from the city!
    5. PalBor
      PalBor 11 March 2018 20: 18
      0
      They will enter, the "green meat" in front will be let in and enter along their corpses.
  2. Troll
    Troll 11 March 2018 17: 41
    +1
    So little given. Both literally and figuratively
    1. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 11 March 2018 17: 51
      +5
      Quote: Troll
      So little given. Both literally and figuratively

      How much is your house so that someone else’s boot with a gun comes in? You will answer, it is not for sale and you will be right. Kurds know this no worse than you.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 11 March 2018 18: 01
        +2
        Unfortunately, no one can support them. And for Russia this would not be a bad chance. But the Turks generally beguiled, introduced troops. Did they declare war on Syria? Or the Kurds are not Syrians ...
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 11 March 2018 18: 21
          +2
          Quote: Shahno
          But the Turks generally beguiled, introduced troops. Did they declare war on Syria?

          Countryman (KVKIU? - he is no longer), there is a neocolonial redistribution of the territory with hydrocarbons. This is a relegation game, betting more than the lives of thousands of people. In fact, Syria is divided. A war of attrition, when human resources are depleted (driven or killed by the USA and Turkey with the participation of Israel and other progressive humanity), dances with a tambourine will begin, in order to legitimize the "victory over terrorists" and legitimize new quasi-states. I would venture to predict such a course of events. Will the position of Russia change? It depends on the events in the Donbass and in Central Asia (Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan).
          Although I am a purely civilian, tactics and strategy have not been taught to us how a layman can be mistaken.
        2. tekinoral
          tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 44
          +3
          Quote: Shahno
          Or the Kurds are not Syrians ...

          Are 4 mil refugees in Turkey not Syrians?
        3. user1212
          user1212 12 March 2018 05: 49
          0
          Quote: Shahno
          Or the Kurds are not Syrians ...

          When did the Kurds recognize the official power of Syria?
      2. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 11 March 2018 18: 01
        +1
        A people cannot be defeated on its territory. The guerrilla war does not know mercy for the invaders. There are no examples of this. Although, in fairness, there are reverse examples, but this is not the case.
        And if both the Kurds and the Turks leave, who will fill the vacuum?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 11 March 2018 18: 03
          +1
          But what about Chechnya? People can be defeated, but for this you need to buy it ...
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 11 March 2018 18: 13
            +11
            Quote: Shahno
            People can be defeated, but for this you need to buy it

            why don’t you still buy Palestinians ... although forgive me, I’m a naive person to ask such a question to a representative of the people who know how to put it mildly with his frugality ...
          2. ul_vitalii
            ul_vitalii 11 March 2018 18: 15
            +7
            Quote: Shahno
            But what about Chechnya? People can be defeated, but for this you need to buy it ...

            Have you tried such purchases at home? The Americans were good at winning in Iraq by buying up generals. Or did you find a scythe on a stone?
          3. ancestors from Don
            ancestors from Don 11 March 2018 18: 21
            +5
            Quote: Shahno
            But what about Chechnya? People can be defeated, but for this you need to buy it ...

            You got something wrong. In Chechnya, they fought not with the people, but with an international rabble who imagined themselves to be the rulers of the world. In relation to your people, on the offer to buy, how much and to whom? When people are fighting for the right to live, one should not confuse for the right to slurp from a bowl. Here the question of money does not work.
          4. Baloo
            Baloo 11 March 2018 18: 31
            +6
            Quote: Shahno
            But what about Chechnya? People can be defeated, but for this you need to buy it ..

            Not so, to destroy the Wahhabi mercenaries from all over the Middle East, and even from the United States, not to mention Turkey, as well as joined local traitors. Under Dudaev, a stream of weapons and drugs went through Chechnya both to the south and to Europe. Many years ago, there was infa in the internet and the media that the unfortunate Bout was fulfilling orders of the tsrils for the Brzezinski Foundation over Chechnya.
            In fact, they tried to make Chechnya a springboard for the destruction of Russia. I remember how in the media liberals discussed the issue of the legitimacy of dividing Russia into 7 regions, practically on the same maps as the Entente and Hitler in the last century. Thatcher grunted that in Russia 10-15 million are enough to service (!) The territory, the rest are superfluous (and Hitler had such an opinion and an entente). About to buy? Have you managed to buy in Ukraine? And how are the results?
            To understand, one must travel to Chechnya himself and communicate with people. I know that industry and healthcare are developing. Already now, no worse than in the Moscow region.
            1. taiga2018
              taiga2018 11 March 2018 18: 53
              +3
              Quote: Balu
              I know that industry and healthcare are developing.

              In addition, it must be added that money is money, but after all, all this is done mainly by local residents, not all regions can dispose of funds in this way ...
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 11 March 2018 20: 05
                +4
                Quote: taiga2018
                not all regions can dispose of funds in this way ...
                And this is generally a disaster. In my office (Kostroma), a cleaning lady receives money from Tver (we have a head office there (FZ-94 fucking). If earlier she received 4970, then this year she is paid 3700.
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 11 March 2018 20: 00
              +3
              Baloo, just Baloo, that’s how it is, but do you have any idea how much money there is? And also Dagestan is nearby, which, if it does not burn, slowly smolders ...
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 12 March 2018 06: 28
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                Baloo, just Baloo, that’s how it is, but do you have any idea how much money there is? And also Dagestan is nearby, which, if it does not burn, slowly smolders ...

                A lot of talk about money is swollen, but a lot has been done. Terrible from the ruins rose like a Phoenix from the ashes. There are many points that are silent about: the outrage of Chechens in the adjacent territories of Russia, but still how much Chechnya earns, how much it has left, how much it leaves for Russia. Clanism is more complicated with Dagestan, the Middle East is near ... This is for a long time. Envoys from among those who left to study theology in the Middle East and fell into the network of ISIS recruiters.
        2. tekinoral
          tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 27
          0
          And what do you all think that Turkey is fighting against the Kurds, that is, Kurdish troops and quite a few who are fighting against pyd
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 11 March 2018 23: 11
          0
          Quote: Mikhail M
          A people cannot be defeated on its territory. The guerrilla war does not know mercy for the invaders. There are no examples of this.

          You have seen enough of the American fighters. The Third Reich defeated all of Europe without the USSR, and the Dutch or Belgian partisans did not bother him.
        4. zoolu350
          zoolu350 12 March 2018 05: 00
          0
          Any people can be defeated on its territory under the necessary conditions and a guerrilla war will not help here.
          The necessary conditions:
          1. The absence or minimization of assistance (supply) from outside;
          2. The lack of external fronts in other areas;
          3. The introduction by the invader or the "bloody vira" for partisan hostility (the Western method) or the resettlement of a hostile local population in other parts of the country and replacing it with a loyal one;
          4. The banal bribery of the partisan elite.
      3. Troll
        Troll 11 March 2018 18: 38
        +2
        Kurds are not one people, a bunch of tribes with different languages ​​and religions. And until they unite, they will be sold and bought. Whether Americans, Russians, Iranians, Syrians .. It does not matter. And they will be bought in spite of the individual heroes of individual families or tribes.
  3. taiga2018
    taiga2018 11 March 2018 17: 48
    +3
    I understand that all the hopes of the Turks were connected with the voluntary departure of the Kurds from Afrin, they are not going to leave, so the problem ... although there will not be a special problem, they will raze everything to the ground, and the whole "civilized world" will not even notice this ... "
  4. Urantian
    Urantian 11 March 2018 18: 01
    +4
    Well done ..., the Turks need to be soaked like mad dogs ....
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      1. Baloo
        Baloo 11 March 2018 19: 01
        +4
        Quote: sefevi
        Look don't choke laughing

        Quote: sefevi
        Urantian Today, 18:01
        Well done ..., the Turks need to be soaked like mad dogs.

        and this is correct, there is nothing to rob another's house. And Turkish tomatoes are ... bad tasteless. wassat
    2. tekinoral
      tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: Urantian
      Well done ..., the Turks need to be soaked like mad dogs ....
      Come to Afrin if such a hero!
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 11 March 2018 23: 13
      0
      Quote: Urantian
      Well done ..., the Turks need to be soaked like mad dogs ....

      What did the Turks do to you?
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 11 March 2018 18: 12
    +1
    We are Syrian forces defending the Syrian land. We cannot leave and make room for the IG and Al-Qaida (both groups are banned in the Russian Federation). Such an initiative is rejected.
    said the agency Mahmoud.

    Only he is worthy of life and freedom, who is ready to go to battle every day. Will there be autonomy of the Kurds in Syria or not, but this small courageous people is worthy of help and respect for their desire for freedom. hi
    1. cats
      cats 11 March 2018 19: 25
      +3
      Too cunning this people, and eat a fish and ..
      The Turks, with the consent of Russia, are crushing Syria, allegedly against, if they don’t think
      Turks will roll them out. And the civilized world will not particularly grumble at a NATO member.
      Kurds started playing, they can lose everything .. hi
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 March 2018 18: 13
    0
    When Erdogan “swallows” the Kurds, the Assad troops will be the next under the blows of his gangs supported by the heavy weapons of the Turkish army, so that the Kurds can only wish for steadfastness.
    1. tekinoral
      tekinoral 11 March 2018 19: 36
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      When Erdogan “swallows” the Kurds, the Assad troops will be the next under the blows of his gangs supported by the heavy weapons of the Turkish army, so that the Kurds can only wish for steadfastness.

      Already running as they can from Afrin!
  7. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 11 March 2018 18: 38
    +1
    Here in the analyst section was an article about how from day to day the neighboring Kurds with the direct support of the United States and under their air cover will come to the aid of the Kurds from Afrin. That's just about the fact that along the way it will be necessary to destroy the pro-Turkish militants and the Turkish troops supporting them delicately kept silent. And where is this help? And an overwhelming blow? Some hotheads in the comments said that the United States would go for this option without hesitation. For the United States, throwing Turkey out of NATO in order to support the Kurds is the normal price. AND?
  8. Troll
    Troll 11 March 2018 18: 48
    0
    Quote: Troll
    Kurds are not one people, they are a bunch of different tribes with different languages ​​and religions. And until they unite, they will be sold and bought. Whether Americans, Russians, Iranians, Syrians .. It does not matter. And they will be bought in spite of the individual heroes of individual families or tribes.
  9. Anyone
    Anyone 11 March 2018 19: 10
    +4
    Quote: sefevi
    But Erdogan did not say that the Turkish army would conduct street battles in Afrin. He said literally the following: "We will surround Afrin and force the terrorists to surrender."

    But he had in mind something else: "We will surround Afrin, we will be figuring him 24/7, and when all the streets there will be littered with the corpses of a peaceful people, we will force the remaining Kurds to surrender."
  10. weddu
    weddu 11 March 2018 19: 34
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    Now the question is about maintaining the integrity of the states, Russia, Turkey, Syria .., the process is ongoing .. Victims and terpils are appointed ...
    Ukraine has been divided before all these processes ... New maps on the Internet have been around for a long time ...
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    1. weddu
      weddu 11 March 2018 21: 37
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      Turks are a negotiable nation, Kurds and Assyrians (,, grandfather Khasvn, Shakro, etc.) are not present, the concept of the FSB has changed ... I do not see any new states with a history of more than three centuries. Japan is also doomed, its only salvation, a peace treaty with Russia, in order to save at least part of the population ...
    2. tekinoral
      tekinoral 11 March 2018 22: 08
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      And where did Turkey defeat together with the population of the city or village in Afrin?
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 11 March 2018 22: 55
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        In Syria or in general? If at all, I’m tired of listing)) If in Afrin, then while the Turkish army did not take cities there. So there is no statistics ... A propos, the question was simple: where is the corridor for civilians to exit from Afrin?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 March 2018 23: 17
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          Quote: Anyone
          A propos, the question was simple: where is the corridor for the exit of civilians from Afrin?

          The bandits need the corridor, a peacekeeper can simply go in the direction of the Turkish army.
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    Anyone 11 March 2018 20: 05
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    Quote: Thunderbolt
    When Erdogan “swallows” the Kurds, the Assad troops will be the next under the blows of his gangs supported by the heavy weapons of the Turkish army, so that the Kurds can only wish for steadfastness.

    I will join. I believe that after Afrin there will be Tel Rifat. There are both PKK and our MR-shniki. And the SAA checkpoints are nearby ... There is a small chance to see the epicattel in Tel Rifat between the Turkish Armed Forces and the SAA. But most likely, the CAA will back down.
  13. wellaut
    wellaut 11 March 2018 20: 10
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    Quote: Shahno
    Unfortunately, no one can support them. And for Russia this would not be a bad chance. But the Turks generally beguiled, introduced troops. Did they declare war on Syria? Or the Kurds are not Syrians ...

    And according to the behavior of Russia and Assad, it is very similar that we just agreed with Erdogan and, at the same time, the Kurds could not agree with Russia, primarily because of their love with mattresses.
    1. weddu
      weddu 11 March 2018 22: 08
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      Yes, the state of Turkey, agreed with the state of Russia. And the fate of each other, and the fate of Syria agreed. Since Erdogan’s position is not better than Putin’s position, except where the capital of Erdogan is stored, and we know that Putin’s friends are ONLY in Russia ...
    2. Anyone
      Anyone 11 March 2018 22: 36
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      See not things wider. Here all parties take advantage of the moment. Is that why CAA is just now unwinding Islamic rebels in Eastern Ghouta? Because the Turks and the greens climbed into Afrin, and possibly climb further - up to the Yankees and their tame Kurds on the east coast of the Euphrates. In general, the United States only got off on duty with respect to the Syrian attack in Guta - "they say, we condemn and express concern." And all because it is beneficial for the Yankees to strengthen the position of Assad, whose forces in Aleppo are a deterrent to Reggie’s troops. At another time, if the SAA had so piled on Guta, the Americans would have definitely braked Assad, and possibly with the help of the Tomahawks. But now the CAA offensive in Guta is profitable for the Yankees. Ideally, Americans would like to see the Turks fight off with the Syrians on the approaches to Afrin or in Tel Rifat. And so that the sultan does not relax, the Coalition periodically shoots into the Turkish "salad" ...
  14. kirillovleva
    kirillovleva 11 March 2018 22: 43
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    Quote: 210ox
    Well. Kurds don’t give up .. Well, what about the words of the Sultan "we’ll enter at any moment" .. So try ..

    There’s a lot of cleverness, but we all observe the classic confrontation of the regular army, and on foreign territory, in the sense that the infrastructure is not a pity for the word at all and for partisans not supported by anyone, as in Syria - KSA, USA, England, France, Israel, Jordan. The partisans collapse quickly, because there is nothing to oppose to a machine called the army - there is no air force, no artillery and tanks - just losses, losses, losses and no ATGMs will help against carpet bombing. If no one supported the bandits in the SAR, Assad himself dealt with them several years ago.
  15. Anyone
    Anyone 11 March 2018 23: 29
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    Quote: Setrac
    The bandits need the corridor, a peacekeeper can simply go in the direction of the Turkish army.

    Firstly, in Africa there are only one bandits - the Turkish army illegally invading Syria and their trained Sunni monkeys from the SSA. Secondly, civilians, if they are not suicidal, will never go in the direction of the advancing and conducting hostilities of the enemy troops.
  16. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 11 March 2018 23: 35
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    Quote: Lek3338
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    They will come in, but do not want the victims to be among the civilian population!

    Victims will be history does not yet know a single army that would not kill civilians in an attack on the city. When a sniper from an apartment building works, an RPG usually flies back. When an enemy is working from a residential building across the street, no one goes to the bayonet under heavy fire, as a rule this is a large apartment building. Alas, this is the face of war, peaceful in this case, either making legs or picking up arms. Most do legs, as a rule, those who do not have time to die during stripping.
    We are at a military forum, this is what comrades need to understand by virtue of their profession. But sometimes the impression is that this is an anonymous circle of pacifists.

    Forgive me if I correct it. More precisely, it will be - A circle of anonymous pacifists:
    Please stand and introduce yourself to everyone. Who are you ? I am a pacifist. For the 7th day I’m trying to smoke snipers and grenade throwers from the building using a loudspeaker))