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Pushkov compared the status of Ukraine in NATO with "graduate school in the waiting room"

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Federation Council member Alexei Pushkov commented on NATO’s recognition of Ukraine’s graduate student status, reports RIA News.


Pushkov compared the status of Ukraine in NATO with "graduate school in the waiting room"


The day before, the First Deputy Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, Irina Gerashchenko, said that the NATO leadership recognized Ukraine as a graduate student status in the alliance. In turn, the Deputy Prime Minister for European Integration of Ukraine, Ivanna Klimpush-Tsintsadze, explained that this decision is important because it starts with the possibility of "further developing and deepening the interaction of Ukraine and NATO."

A cold shower for Kiev after yesterday's jubilation: (Kurt's special envoy of the US State Department for Ukraine) Volker said that Ukraine was not ready to join NATO. But the most important thing is that two-thirds of the alliance do not want to take it there, as this could lead to a clash with Russia. So they came up with a "postgraduate study in the waiting room" for Kiev,
wrote Pushkov on his Twitter page.

Earlier, the former NATO Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said that in order to join the alliance, Ukraine would need to achieve a number of criteria, the implementation of which will take a lot of time. Many politicians believe that Kiev will not qualify for membership in the North Atlantic bloc in the coming 20 years.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 11 March 2018 16: 03
    +6
    With whom or nothing to compare, Ukraine is lost. And then it’s a matter of time, they will be in NATO according to anyone. In any scenario dangerous for Bandera, this inaudible status will turn into real. And the rules for them will change.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 11 March 2018 16: 04
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Ukroina is lost.

      For all. Even for Ukrainians. They got into such debts that for many years they will be dictated by domestic politics. But they simply have no external.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 11 March 2018 16: 10
        +5
        Yes, that’s true. However, the territories still survive in a worse situation. I’m talking about how some people here predict a quick demise of this territory. As long as we, Russia, the counterweight, buffer, of which the ruin is, is extremely important for Western countries. So they will keep and nourish, this yoke they dressed themselves.
        Quote: Crowe
        Quote: 210ox
        Ukroina is lost.

        For all. Even for Ukrainians. They got into such debts that for many years they will be dictated by domestic politics. But they simply have no external.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 11 March 2018 16: 16
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          we have some predict the imminent demise of this territory

          Many predicted a quick demise for the United States. And what? Ukraine will live. Let it be bad, but still. And when tired of playing in democracy, Russia will be asked. And Russia will forgive! To not say.
          1. The black
            The black 11 March 2018 16: 23
            +1
            Now the Poles will make the Sumer besides the yellow-blue robe still wear the badge "I'm a Svidomo graduate student laughing
          2. CHARM
            CHARM 11 March 2018 17: 33
            +2
            Quote: Crowe
            Many predicted a quick demise for the United States.

            It’s silly to wait for the US to die soon, but it’s a fact that they will break up. So the destiny of any empire is historically destined. It is not people who say, this history shows and proves this. But when this happens, the question is rhetorical. For me, the United States is an artificial formation that has grown to the size of an empire over time.
            Quote: Crowe
            And when tired of playing in democracy, Russia will be asked.

            I believe that we will come to her faster with our military contingent. Someone will say that the introduction of our troops into the territory of Ukraine is senseless and a failure, due to many circumstances, ranging from the reaction of the West and ending with the Ukrainians themselves, who in this case will be regarded as really occupiers. But ... no one will endure an openly hostile state with a Nazi ideology close to blue. In addition, the territory of the CIS is a territory of Russian interests. It is hard to imagine that, for example, Mexico and its government would promote explicitly anti-American policies, while the United States would not do anything.
        2. dog breeder
          dog breeder 11 March 2018 16: 33
          +1
          210quq Today, 16:10 ↑ New
          .So that they will contain and nourish, this yoke they dressed themselves.

          Rather, plunder with the help of temporary workers. And the worst thing is that most of Ukraine is striving for these temporary workers!
        3. Shura Sailors
          Shura Sailors 11 March 2018 16: 38
          +2
          Golden words about 'counterweight'. And in the near future Russia will have such “balances” ... To confront Russia directly is to have strength, and the sphincter is weak. It’s easier to invest in those who want to “live on a freebie” for the sake of it, and substitute them ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 11 March 2018 16: 41
            0
            Of course .. For it is necessary to live for something. But we don’t know how to be a gasket anymore, but what was poher.
            Quote: Shura sailors
            Golden words about 'counterweight'. And in the near future Russia will have such “balances” ... To confront Russia directly is to have strength, and the sphincter is weak. It’s easier to invest in those who want to “live on a freebie” for the sake of it, and substitute them ...
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 11 March 2018 16: 14
        +1
        Outskirts - puppet sub-state. This mess in the neighborhood for a long time. No wonder the Swedish arbitration awarded Gazprom the content of these banderlogs.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 11 March 2018 16: 20
          +2
          Quote: oleg-gr
          This mess in the neighborhood for a long time.

          yes until pieces fall apart and cease to exist
        2. captain
          captain 11 March 2018 16: 28
          0
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Outskirts - puppet sub-state. This mess in the neighborhood for a long time. No wonder the Swedish arbitration awarded Gazprom the content of these banderlogs.

          Ukraine in the form that it exists, that is, with the lands donated by Lenin to Ukrainian nationalists, was created by red-flagged ones. The suffering of the Russian people sold by the communists-Leninists is forever. So many lives were lost in due time; Russian, Tatars, Bashkirs, Cossacks, Kalmyks and other peoples of Russia, with the accession of these lands to Russia! And for this they gave Lenin and Trotsky, only for the sake of humiliating the Russians, "hold ... a muzzle."
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 11 March 2018 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        But they simply have no external.

        as it is not. golimoy Russophobia. and since they are fluoride after striped, then neighbors can be insulted
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 11 March 2018 18: 44
          +6
          Many politicians believe that Kiev will not be able to claim membership in the North Atlantic bloc in the next 20 years.

          Well, why with such military generals then. laughing
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 11 March 2018 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      With whom or what not to compare -Ukraine lost

      Observing how quickly and unpredictably the situation in the world is changing, making categorical statements is not constructive
      1. 210ox
        210ox 11 March 2018 16: 19
        +2
        And what has changed in the world? There are "exceptional" and "excluded" (those who do not want to dance to the tune of the "exceptional). And this situation will not change in the foreseeable future.
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        With whom or what not to compare -Ukraine lost

        Observing how quickly and unpredictably the situation in the world is changing, making categorical statements is not constructive
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 11 March 2018 16: 26
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          ? There are "exceptional" and "excluded"

          It is difficult to predict where the "exceptional" will be in 5-10 years. As history shows, Empires collapse quickly and unexpectedly.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 11 March 2018 16: 30
            0
            Do you mean the United States and Israel? Well, they will not go anywhere in the next half century. Unless everyone burns out in a nuclear conflict. That's all.
            Quote: Chertt
            Quote: 210ox
            ? There are "exceptional" and "excluded"

            It is difficult to predict where the "exceptional" will be in 5-10 years. As history shows, Empires collapse quickly and unexpectedly.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 11 March 2018 16: 37
              +1
              Quote: 210ox
              Do you mean the USA and Israel? Well, they will not go anywhere in the next half century.

              To a lesser extent, maybe. But here is the role of "Hegemon" under a very big question mark. Even Western experts agree that the "domino effect" is as relevant as ever
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 11 March 2018 16: 24
        +6
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        With whom or what not to compare -Ukraine lost

        Observing how quickly and unpredictably the situation in the world is changing, making categorical statements is not constructive

        Strongly support! How it will be is unknown to us!
        My opinion, if it is, is a member of NATO, then only in parts. Volyn is a member of Poland, Transcarpathia is a part of Hungary, Bukovina is a part of Romania.
        Well, after such a derban - the very concept of "Ukraine" - will be the subject of study, except for historians!
    3. Voyager
      Voyager 11 March 2018 16: 13
      +4
      Maybe it's for the better? A couple of days ago I visited a Ukrainian resource and watched a massive frankly hysterical laugh and joy over the plane crash in Syria. And this is not some kind of censor, an average news resource. This is the majority of Ukraine. If I am mistaken, and this is a minority, then the sober supposedly the majority continues to take the same course. We are out of the way with them.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 11 March 2018 16: 21
        +1
        Quote: Voyager
        We are out of the way with them.

        the beginning is not on the way 91, the final is not on the way, 2014
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 11 March 2018 16: 36
        +4
        Quote: Voyager
        Maybe it's for the better? A couple of days ago I visited a Ukrainian resource and watched a massive frankly hysterical laugh and joy about the plane crash in Syria

        Yes, spit on banderlogov. I’m not interested in Bandera, a psychiatric clinic with a thieving administration and a rusty guard. The tragedy of Donbass without the participation of Russia will not end.
        We need at least the help of modern technology through the "volunteers" or the Voyentorg, and first of all, the equipment for counter-battery and anti-sniper, thermal imagers, drones.
      3. Korax71
        Korax71 11 March 2018 18: 48
        +1
        Well, if so, then see how the Russians gloated and rejoiced when the An-24 militia with Ukrainian soldiers shot down that about 40 people died. Do you think that after such an attitude they should have something different? are going to grieve over the "enemy". read carefully the comments on almost any news no, no yes they will remember Ukraine with a "kind" word. there is nothing surprising in this request
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 11 March 2018 19: 25
          +1
          Quote: Korax71
          Well, if so, then look at how the Russians gloated and rejoiced when the An-24 militias with Ukrainian warriors shot down that about 40 people died.

          Banderlog where flew? Kill? So they got what they deserve. Those to whom Ukraine is dear have long been on the side of LDNR, and not the authorities of small-town bandits and descendants of traitors-executioners of Ukraine. There is nothing to compare. Banderlogs flew to kill civilians, so that the Kiev organized crime group continued to rob Ukraine, while others flew to protect the world from US-sponsored Islamic fascists, as well as German fascists in the last century.
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 11 March 2018 20: 08
            +2
            It’s interesting, but in Aleppo and Guta, civilians know about this, what did they protect them from the Islamists by the KABs? Comrade Asad, it’s good if 10-15% of their own population supports it. why there are no mass hangings and executions of Russian-speaking residents in the Kharkiv region, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk? you were on that Ukrainian side and you know for sure that there were law enforcement officers and another riffraff? In 95 our army also ironed the formidable aircraft and artillery, where at that time they lived people with Russian passports, and if you didn’t know, then the most formidable Russian city in Chechnya has always been. And this was also called a counter-terrorist operation. But did they also want independence? Is there no analogy?
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 12 March 2018 06: 16
              +2
              Quote: Korax71
              in 95, our army also ironed the formidable aviation and artillery, where at that time people lived with Russian passports, and if you did not know, the formidable Russian city in Chechnya has always been. independence? analogy is not visible?

              In the Dudaev’s government, only the Minister of Health had no criminal record at all, the rest of the “ministers” had the same thing: robbery, murder, rape, and banditry. This is the question of the driving forces of the struggle for independence. Now Grozny is a beautiful city in the Caucasus. The Chechen military police in Syria have demonstrated their capabilities; there are no traitors in its ranks. So, go to Donetsk and Lugansk, Crimea, talk with people, maybe you will understand the truth of life. Meaningless dicussion, be healthy, do not cough.
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 12 March 2018 00: 12
          0
          We haven’t found anything that I met on a Ukrainian resource. All shit is everywhere and always, in any country, but here is something else, sophisticated and long ago brought up on hatred for us.
    4. dorz
      dorz 11 March 2018 16: 14
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      With whom or not to compare, Ukraine is lost. And then it’s a matter of time, they will be in NATO for anyone.

      Russia can recognize the LPR and the DPR, and maybe not only recognize.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 11 March 2018 16: 21
        +1
        In this situation, one thing is not clear. Why is it still not recognized? We are waiting for decisions on gas pipes?
        Quote: dorz
        Quote: 210ox
        With whom or not to compare, Ukraine is lost. And then it’s a matter of time, they will be in NATO for anyone.

        Russia can recognize the LPR and the DPR, and maybe not only recognize.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 11 March 2018 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: dorz
        Russia can recognize the LPR and the DPR, and maybe not only recognize.

        hi
        And maybe not only the LPR and the DPR.
      3. Korax71
        Korax71 11 March 2018 18: 52
        0
        And most likely, they can simply be merged neatly. Remember how our guarantor first categorically stated that there was nothing for the peacekeepers to do there, now he even supported such a decision. What could be next, no one would undertake to predict. But for sure, Russia is not even going to recognize the republics . else would have done it a very long time ago. yes
    5. Finches
      Finches 11 March 2018 16: 15
      +1
      Graduate student - striving for something ... In this case, I think that the final collapse! But there was no country. The optimal solution for Russia is a compromise - the West of Ukraine is taken by Poland, Hungary and whoever wants, and the left-bank part is left to us. Odessa - to Israel - and everyone is happy! laughing
      1. volodya
        volodya 11 March 2018 16: 29
        0
        And they can do that. Loot to the end, and then they say, take away, restore, feed! And they will watch us get along.
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 March 2018 16: 34
          +1
          And it will be so!
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 11 March 2018 16: 29
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Odessa - to Israel - and everyone is happy!

        what else, Odessa to Israel negative
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 March 2018 16: 37
          +3
          Why do we need it? It was and gone! And now how is it different from Lviv - Lviv, the same city once formed by our ancestors, so what? Here is Kiev - there is no getting around - the mother of Russian cities, and Odessa - only because of the glorious heroic past? And it will come in handy for Israel - but, you know, how quickly the Natsiks will change their colors there, instead of the forelocks the paisas will grow ... laughing
      3. Cutter
        Cutter 11 March 2018 16: 42
        +4
        Odessa - to Israel - and everyone is happy!

        hi Maybe here you, a colleague, are a little wrong? Let's Odessa in ... (RB) -BOBRUISK!
        good
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 March 2018 16: 44
          +2
          It may be so, but this is an extra help to your zmagars laughing
          1. Cutter
            Cutter 11 March 2018 16: 58
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            It may be so, but this is an extra help to your zmagars laughing

            Choke, strangle !!! Yesterday there was an officers meeting (special forces), the decision was simple: “Alliance with Russia-EVERYTHING!” It is DANGEROUS to disturb RUSSIA to liberals ...
            1. Finches
              Finches 11 March 2018 17: 06
              +1
              Then another thing! soldier
      4. Lelek
        Lelek 11 March 2018 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Graduate student - striving for something ...

        hi
        Eugene, Italians say: "Not enough, you need to stand." But with the latter, Kiev (both Georgian and Moldavian) scumbags (in political and economic terms) have a full paragraph. And somewhere around 30 years of NATO membership can be forgotten. The stubborn dirty teller Volker speaks about this approximately.
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 March 2018 17: 12
          +4
          Genatsvali last there ... eat up salt without salt - what a NATO! If Russia makes a tough economic decision on Georgia, they will go around the world - ordinary people have understood this for a long time. Saakashvili’s adventures are approved only by seniors, such as “My years, my wealth” and some frostbitten outcasts! Time puts everything in its place - Georgia has never rested with anyone anywhere .... So, by inertia their pin ... Americans still contain, but less and less willingly - they have another toy - Ukraine, but which they are already the same have played enough. Nationalism is the last instrument, but it does not unite, but splits Ukraine, so if something joins th ..., NATO, someday, it will be Ivana-Frankivsk with its environs, but no more! laughing
      5. assa67
        assa67 11 March 2018 18: 36
        +4
        graduate student - translated "harassing" .. is perfectly suited for sumeros-banderlogas ...
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 11 March 2018 19: 20
          +2
          Quote: assa67
          graduate student - translated "harassing" .. is perfectly suited for sumeros-banderlogas

          this is the flip side. but the front
          1. assa67
            assa67 11 March 2018 19: 24
            +3
            good yes it’s from nowhere a real future
    6. taiga2018
      taiga2018 11 March 2018 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Ukraine is lost

      it is lost as a more or less normal neighbor, but as a big problem, it gets confused and Russia’s task will not trip over it ...
    7. vlad66
      vlad66 11 March 2018 16: 39
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      With whom or not to compare, Ukraine is lost. And then it’s a matter of time, they will be in NATO for any

      They will, they will, but only in that capacity.
  2. Cutter
    Cutter 11 March 2018 16: 07
    +4
    So they came up with "graduate school in the waiting room" for Kiev,

    "Special" membership for Ukraine ??? Well done! -The positions of the "six" have been achieved, to clean the boots and uniform is just for Ukrainian generals!
    1. The black
      The black 11 March 2018 16: 34
      +2
      Quote: Cutter
      "Special" membership for Ukraine ??? Well done! - they got the position of the Six, to clean boots and uniform - just for Ukrainian generals

      Well, here, as they say, Friendship is friendship, and legs apart laughing
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 11 March 2018 16: 35
      +3
      Quote: Cutter
      to clean boots and a uniform — just for the Ukrainian generals!

      they’ve been doing this for a long time
  3. flicker
    flicker 11 March 2018 16: 18
    +4
    two-thirds of the alliance does not want to accept at all, as this could lead to a clash with Russia.
    Well, probably not quite like that. NATO does not want (it cannot, is panicky afraid) to fight with Russia, but it sleeps and sees that Ukraine is at war with Russia. And if Uaraina is in NATO, then the latter should get involved in the war on the side of Ukraine, but do they need it?
    In short, NATO will and wants to fight with Russia until the last Ukrainian.
  4. Baloo
    Baloo 11 March 2018 16: 22
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    With whom or nothing to compare, Ukraine is lost. And then it’s a matter of time, they will be in NATO according to anyone. In any scenario dangerous for Bandera, this inaudible status will turn into real. And the rules for them will change.

    Many politicians believe that Kiev will not be able to claim membership in the North Atlantic bloc in the next 20 years.



    either the donkey will die, or the sultan? Whether Ukraine will be within those borders or become an occupation zone under the control of different members of the alliance, we will wait and see. While Banderlog will like that America is with them, or rather above them.
  5. Sedoy
    Sedoy 11 March 2018 16: 24
    0
    * Ukraine’s status in NATO with “graduate school in the waiting room”
    ------------------
    I would not giggle over this status ...
    it is clear to the horse that without the formal opportunity to directly take dill in NATO, p and n wasps will seek the possibility of full participation and use of dill in the war with Russia ...
    what they successfully do ...
    now, for sure, there will be not only an instructor, but also various other "specialists", as well as weapons ...
    because no one knows exactly how such agreements are regulated ...
    Moreover, these agreements may have an “open” status, i.e. may be surrounded by "local" agreements, up to full military assistance ...

    and idiots from the Kremlin, it's time to think about it ...
    Unless, of course, their goal is to merge the Donbass into the toilet ...
    which, however, has long been read in his politics ...
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya 11 March 2018 16: 25
    +9
    NATO ASPIRTANTS ...

    would shoot themselves ... repeat
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 11 March 2018 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: Masya Masya
      ASPIRTANTS OF NATO.


      Good day, Marina.
      The other day I came across a funny "chip" in the shopping arcade for youngsters. And this doll immediately reminded me of the current Ruin. Do not tell me what exactly? bully
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 11 March 2018 17: 13
        +3
        Quote: Lelek
        Do not tell me what exactly?

        I'm not Marina, but tell me. last hair lost / I. for debts most likely
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 12 March 2018 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: LSA57
          LSA57


          And for me, that’s the essence of the title (quite European). bully
      2. Masya masya
        Masya masya 11 March 2018 17: 15
        +7
        Quote: Lelek
        And this doll immediately reminded me of the current Ruin.

        krajina turns to the EU and NATO
        "I want you to be a girl for you,
        Do you want me to be a boy for you ...
        if you want, if you want, I know if you want, but keep quiet ... "I'm sorry ...repeat
        Quote: Lelek
        stumbled upon a funny "chip" in the shopping arcade for youngsters

        from where is this you such a tolerance ???
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 12 March 2018 18: 05
          +1
          Quote: Masya Masya
          where did you get this tolerance from ???


          Association with two moron in your picture, aiming at the "Faberge" to each other. I immediately realized that there would be a bo-bo, and then there was also a picture from Belarus. Something like this. bully
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 11 March 2018 18: 34
        +4
        The other day I came across a funny "chip" in the shopping arcade for youngsters

        This is Helen-transgender. Seriously, in place of the dad, I would consider this an ideological diversion lol .
  7. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 11 March 2018 16: 26
    +1
    Yesterday they had, in NATO - record_day ... today in NATO - copy_day ..., and in tomorrow’s apotheosis from NATO will be - write_day fellow (moderators ... everything is decent drinks Glory to the descendants of Martian)
  8. Praetorian4
    Praetorian4 11 March 2018 16: 27
    0
    There is no such status in NATO. Anyway, it turns out that NATO has recognized that Ukraine is seeking NATO. Wow.
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 11 March 2018 16: 36
    0
    Ha, a graduate student ... rather, an applicant for something hard in its soft spot ...
  10. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 March 2018 16: 38
    0
    Ukraine goes to the origins - the "wild field". There is no reason for Pushkin to harden too. This is not Europe acquired, it is including him, this is the "RF" pros ... la ".
  11. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 11 March 2018 17: 51
    +2
    The graduate student is a very mild comparison. Rather, Ukraine for NATO is a lady with a "low social responsibility", fulfilling certain "marital" duties for the promise of marriage lol
  12. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 11 March 2018 18: 24
    +1
    Pushkov cuts the truth of the uterus, well done!
    But a lot has been dug about him lately:
    Patriot Alexei Pushkov prefers the West and Rublevka Where and how the patriotic propagandist and State Duma deputy Alexei Pushkov rests. Source: http://rucompromat.com/articles/patriot_aleksey_p
    ushkov_predpochitaet_zapad_i_rublevku
    Promotion Price:
    For one salary of a member of the Federation Council (385 thousand rubles), it would be difficult to maintain such a way of life for Alexei Pushkov. But his work on TV is paid even better than in the upper house of parliament. At the end of December last year, the “TV Center” signed a contract with Pushkov for “providing services for creative leadership, preparation and management of the television program“ Postscript ”. For the year he should prepare a maximum of 39 programs for 10,2 million rubles. It turns out that one issue of the Postscript costs the TV Center 262 thousand rubles.
    For such an income, Comrade Pushkov must work tirelessly!
  13. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 11 March 2018 18: 28
    +6
    Any scoundrel, any name to face.
  14. Hiller
    Hiller 11 March 2018 18: 32
    +1
    It is clear that no one has managed to live with a crazy neighbor behind the wall. The moral and material losses are too great. And it’s just life-threatening. Sooner or later, radical measures have to be taken in the name of their own peace and security. But how sooner or later and how radical? In my understanding: "cut to hell without waiting for peritonitis." Not that these crazy "graduate students" will arrange an epidemic ...
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 11 March 2018 20: 05
    +1
    They got their country for free. Russia, the USSR they collected their territory. And what they give for free is often not valuable. Therefore, they easily got over, with even greater ease squander for the dubious promises of some kind of "graduate school" in NATO. But Russia gathered itself, its citizens of different nationalities, their ancestors, for centuries defended their independence, while shedding seas of blood, their own and enemies. They don’t understand us. We are not brothers with them ...
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 11 March 2018 20: 33
    0
    There are no problems with Ukraine’s joining NATO, because this process depends more on NATO’s readiness to aggravate relations with the Russians, in the flesh before a military clash, and at the moment NATO is not ready for such actions. And Ukraine plays the role of a bargaining chip, its desire is not at all are taken into account in this matter.
  17. Alex ..
    Alex .. 11 March 2018 21: 04
    +1
    I don’t even know what to call them now. Sumerians, chi graduate students?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 12 March 2018 06: 18
      +2
      Quote: Alex ..
      I don’t even know what to call them now. Sumerians, chi graduate students?

      They dug up the Black Sea-sea, dug up the dead sea ... I suspect that all the seas were dug by them.
  18. arhitroll
    arhitroll 12 March 2018 02: 37
    +1
    "Graduate student in the sauna" ...
  19. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 12 March 2018 06: 54
    0
    They took to graduate school. Now you need to write a candidate, and then defend. That is, protect the right to be called a candidate.