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The scandal in Bulgaria: this is our patriarch and our business!

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Scandal is not a scandal, but an unpleasant phenomenon. I am glad that not everyone in Bulgaria supports the outright brawler and Russophobe Simeonov, it saddens me a little personally that such phenomena take place. But in the family, as they say ...


The scandal in Bulgaria: this is our patriarch and our business!


However, in fact it is worth saying a few words on this topic. Someone (in Bulgaria, perhaps) they do not like, but nevertheless.

So, the following happened.

Our Patriarch Kirill arrived in Bulgaria on a visit to participate in the festivities dedicated to the 140 anniversary of the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke.

The visit, most likely, would have gone unnoticed if it had not been caused by a scandal by some gentlemen. Or rather, one person said something not quite beautiful, and the second did not consider it necessary to keep silent.

Speaking at the official (underscore) March 3 ceremony, Bulgarian President Rumen Radev did not quite correctly speak about the role of the Russian government and people in fraternal assistance to the Bulgarian people.

Again, I emphasize very boldly, because Mr. Radev as a whole did not say anything offensive or criminal. In particular - yes, who wrote the text to him, I do not know, but judge for yourself.

In the first part of the appeal, everything was smooth. This part of Radev’s speech differed little from what our Patriarch Kirill said. Thanks to the Russian people in general and to Emperor Alexander the Second in particular — everything is fine.

However, the President further said: “On the battlefields of the Russian-Turkish war of liberation, soldiers died - representatives of many nations: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins. For all of them, Bulgaria has become their last home, and we honor them as our heroes. ”

Later, during a bilateral meeting with the president, Patriarch Kirill expressed his opinion on this matter: “Once again I want to tell you very clearly that Russia liberated Bulgaria. Not Poland, not Lithuania, not other countries, but Russia. And I want to frankly say that it was difficult for me to hear all these references to the participation of other countries in the liberation of Bulgaria. Neither the Polish Sejm nor the Lithuanian Sejm made a decision to start a war with Ottoman Turkey. I really hope that the media will hear us and pass on some disappointment to the patriarch, who heard the wrong political interpretation of the events related to the liberation of Bulgaria. We are for it historical "the truth, we won it with our blood, and there can be no political and pragmatic reasons why today this truth should be hushed up or falsely interpreted."

Some media immediately began to tell that Cyril did it in an inappropriate manner. But there are recordings of the speech, the clergyman (in my opinion) was very correct and humble. I would not have acted in his place if given.

What is the point? And the bottom line is that Kirill is right. Bulgaria was liberated by the Russian army. Or the Russian army. Who is more convenient.

Yes, Russia in the 19 century, oddly enough, was also a multinational state. And according to 1914 of the year from the institute of the Ministry of the Interior of the whole 104 nation, not including small ethnic groups, the empire was a part of the empire.

Problem? Problem.

Honestly, I don’t know how many Finns, Romanians, Poles and Lithuanians died there. But the loss of the Russian army are known.

According to the Military Medical Report, the Russian losses were:

- killed in battles - 15 567 people;
- dead from wounds - 6 824 people;
- wounded - 57 652 people.

That's how it is. You can’t cut an ax out, you can’t die out of history.

Yes, those who opposed the Turks in that war are today proudly referred to as the "anti-Turkish coalition." We look, who entered:

1. Russian empire.
2. United Principality of Wallachia and Moldova.
3. Bulgarian militia.
4. Principality of Serbia.
5. Principality of Montenegro.
6. Bosnian and Herzegovina rebels.

Comment - do not respect yourself. I will not. And so it is clear who played the first (and second) violin, who suffered the main losses. Obviously not militia units. No offense, of course, but true.

I agree three times with Cyril, the main burden of the war was borne by the Russian army. And the Russian soldiers defeated the Turks. Not Finns or Romanians.

About the Poles in general, a separate conversation, apparently, nobody reported to Mr. Radev about the Polish legion who fought on the side of the Ottoman Empire. It's a pity…

In general, such an enumeration is nothing but an attempt (regular) to humiliate the merits of the Russian people and the Russian army.

Or, gentlemen, a little list in hand - and be kind enough to list ALL who participated in the war. And the Bashkirs, and Tatars, and Kalmyks ... In short, all 104 nationalities of Russia.

That is how it will be honest, at least.

But then everything went completely in the Western style. That is dirt and screams.

Bulgarian Deputy Prime Minister Valery Simeonov climbed into the arena of battles and delivered a speech that many Bulgarians did not like. About the Russian already silent.

“This man did not come down from heaven, did not come out of Paradise, and is not a messenger of Jesus Christ. He is known as the cigarette metropolitan of Russia. Since 1996, he has imported billions of excise-free cigarettes to 14. At 14 billion dollars, this tricky man imported non-excise cigarettes and 4 billion dollars of wine for the needs of the church. He has a private jet. His watches are worth 30 thousands. Who is he? This is not an East European confessor. This is agent Mikhailov, second-rate agent of the Soviet KGB. And this man has the audacity to judge the court of history. ”

Well, the fact that Mr. Simeonov condescended to study Wikipedia, which is, of course, wonderful. This is me about the "agent Mikhailov." There, with the evidence base, everything is sad, but if you really want ...

Here I really want to bring on this one Bulgarian national proverb.

“He is not working for Magareto!”

Here is its meaning in the best way possible for what Mr. Simeonov threw out.

A little incomprehensible, Simeonov just jealous, or what?

We know that the Russian Orthodox Church is the main importer of cigarettes without excise in Russia. And the wine is imported cisterns, yes. For their needs. But this, forgive, is exclusively OUR, Russian business. Maybe Simeonov pity that no Bulgarian cigarettes are imported? But this is generally a different issue.

The clock, the plane, the boat, the yacht ... Mr. Simeonov, greed and envy are mortal sins, by the way! In any religion.

And then, again, this is our Russian pop. And only our business, to condemn his watch for 30 000 dollars, or let them wear.

Your business, Mr. Simeonov, to monitor the cleanliness and order in all respects in Bulgaria. So far we have something to show you. But here we will not present. According to the breadth of the Russian soul.

And we will do the trial of history. We have the right. And, if gentlemen like Simeonov are forgotten, then we, descendants of storming Shipka and Pleven, and those who fought in two world wars for some reason on the other side of the front, we recall.

We have, I emphasize, the right.

And in terms of withdrawal, I want to advise (although Mr. Simeonov will never read this advice) not to be historical fools. And do not act on the instructions of our enemies.

I have a reader, even a friend, Maxim Mukhammetzyanov from Bugulma. His great-grandfather was the foreman. Cannon drove his harness. In Tatars in general, ancestral memory is a special matter, because of Nasyr Mukhammetzyanov remember. How he brought the gun to Pleven and how he returned from there with one foot. But back.

Tatars are not worthy of mention? And Nasyr was not the only one in the army. And there were no less other nationalities. Fact.

Not only Russians fought in the Russian army. And if absolutely to be clever and correct, everyone was Russian there. Blood was one. Red

Nonsense and lack of education saddens. This is from the same opera, as "thanks to the Ukrainians for the liberation of Auschwitz." Yeah, the First Ukrainian Front consisted only of Ukrainians, right? That is, it was created by renaming the Voronezh Front into the First Ukrainian - aspects. Voronezh ended in battles, scored the Ukrainians and renamed ...

And fools are happy to repeat.

No complaints to the president of Bulgaria. Nearly. It is clear that I did not have time to read what was written to him there, and that was a complete garbage.

But in such things, you still need to be careful. This is not a MiG to Ukraine for repair to give, right?
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 March 2018 06: 21
    +22
    Is it any wonder, because not for the first time, "bratushki" substitute us a bandwagon. angry
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 March 2018 06: 36
      +6
      Comment - do not respect yourself. I won’t.
      similarly ...
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 12 March 2018 07: 17
      +12
      Quote: aszzz888
      if not for the first time, "bros" put us on the bandwagon.

      We have no friends or allies. Do you want to join the Russian Federation, the rest is from the evil one
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 12 March 2018 07: 34
        +19
        A terribly ugly story happened with our patriarch. It just hurts your eyes! But, it happens exactly the same with Navalny (I'm not his follower, just in case!). When he makes investigations and revelations about influential Kremlin politicians, he is immediately accused of all sins personally, just like we see with Cyril. Why, then, in the case of Cyril, is this outrageous for us, but in the case of Navalny satisfied? Is there hypocrisy here?
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          1. Stas157
            Stas157 12 March 2018 10: 53
            +18
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            At the time, our Dostoevsky warned of betrayal and short memory by the liberated Slavs.

            It is not worth much to focus on the fact that someone betrayed us. Ukrainians, Bulgarians ... Belarusians-did not recognize the Crimea ... Politicians are doing all this. Russia also threw a lot of people in 90's! What now sprinkle ashes on his head?
            You just need to do your job, go your own way, and use the advantages that are. The NATO country of Bulgaria is very strong about Russian sentiment, it is necessary to concentrate on this and turn in our favor ...
            Of course, you can do the opposite, take on the role of the offended and blame everyone for something, but this way we will become outcasts rather than a great power.
            1. dSK
              dSK 12 March 2018 11: 39
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              At the country НАТО

              In this "mousetrap" the entrance is the ruble, the output is ten. Sales Policies they well understand that those who "helped" become at the helm of the country, with "not right" behavior, will help and "suddenly" bury. Gratitude to Russia is in short supply; in the last two world war fought on the side of Germany.
            2. Winnie76
              Winnie76 12 March 2018 14: 37
              +9
              Quote: Stas157
              You should not concentrate very much on the fact that someone has betrayed us.

              Yes, you are straight Sasha Borodach. Understand and forgive...
              Quote: Stas157
              Russia also threw many people in the 90s! What now sprinkle ash on your head?

              I threw in the sense of abandoned - in the sense of ceased to support - in the sense of voluntarily left and took up their internal affairs. Is that a betrayal?
              Quote: Stas157
              The NATO country of Bulgaria is very strong about Russian sentiment, it is necessary to concentrate on this and turn in our favor ...

              What for? The presence or absence of Bulgaria is neither warm nor cold for us. They need to concentrate on friendship with us. Fight for the South Stream and the Russian market. And we will find pepper with cigarettes from whom to buy.
              Quote: Stas157
              Of course, you can do the opposite, take on the role of the offended and blame everyone for something, but this way we will become outcasts rather than a great power.

              Whoever offends us will live poorly, but not for long. A bear will always be an "outcast" in a flock of lapdogs.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 12 March 2018 18: 56
                +8
                Quote: Winnie76
                Yes, you are straight Sasha Borodach. Understand and forgive...

                You exaggerate!
                Quote: Winnie76
                Whoever offends us will live poorly

                Who can Russia punish is interesting if it cannot answer for the downed planes? But Stalin had every opportunity and the will to punish anyone! Nevertheless, the brilliant Stalin did not take advantage of this, did not take the pose of the offended, and did not begin to punish Bulgaria, which fought on the side of Hitler. And without any offense, he allowed the Bulgarian troops, together with the Red Army, to finish off the Germans.
                It should be noted that although Bulgaria fought on the side of Hitler, the Bulgarian king claimed that the leg of the Bulgarian soldier was not on Soviet soil.
                1. alatanas
                  alatanas 13 March 2018 11: 43
                  +3
                  The only king in the Balkans, the rest are kings. There really wasn’t. There was a medical train of the Bulgarian Red Cross, which was guarded by Bulgarian soldiers (squad or platoon).
                  You can make a reference on prisoners of war in the USSR during WWII, if you do not believe it.
              2. Serge Gorely
                Serge Gorely 15 March 2018 17: 30
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                You should not concentrate very much on the fact that someone has betrayed us.

                How is it in the movie - "Uncle Lyosha! You durak?"
            3. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 12 March 2018 15: 18
              +5
              Quote: Stas157
              Russia also threw a lot of people in the 90 years!

              From this place - pzhlsta in more detail ....
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 30
                +5
                Collapsed ATS and SPZ. This is quite enough.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 21: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Mac Simka
                  Collapsed ATS and SPZ

                  the leadership of Russia with the USSR in 91 messed up a lot, but here the signature under the dissolution is in the same number as Bulgaria
                  1. Mac Simka
                    Mac Simka 13 March 2018 22: 56
                    +4
                    Again, Bulgaria is to blame. Yes, do not exaggerate. Tell me - we were lousy, we wanted the best - it turned out, as always, and the deal with the end. We understand you, although you are already unbroken to us.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 14 March 2018 00: 32
                      +2
                      Maxim, these, together with Erdogan, are digging our coffin. I will share the balconies. Cyril's message is clear ???
                      1. Mac Simka
                        Mac Simka 14 March 2018 06: 43
                        +2
                        To give Bulgaria to Turkey is fraught with the loss of the ability to transport its energy resources through the Balkans. And the strengthening of Turkey is hardly beneficial to the Russian Federation. For them, Zrdogan is a situational ally in Syria.
                        I think that more than what the Russian Federation agreed to give Turgut Yozal in the 90s is unlikely to yield.
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 March 2018 09: 14
                      0
                      answer directly entered NATO, in the first and second world wars killed Russian soldiers?
                    3. pytar
                      pytar 14 March 2018 09: 39
                      +1
                      To give Bulgaria to Turkey is fraught with the loss of the ability to transport its energy resources through the Balkans. And the strengthening of Turkey is hardly beneficial to the Russian Federation. For them, Zrdogan is a situational ally in Syria. I think that more than what the Russian Federation agreed to give Turgut Yozal in the 90's is unlikely to yield.

                      Not all of Bulgaria is going to give to Erdogan. Only southeast. The Russian Federation does not need our lead-honey-zinc deposits. She has her own hundreds of times more. Read Erdogan’s recent statements about Kardzhali. The Danube plain and Dobrudge will not be given back precisely because of what you said. From Dobrudja to Crimea, only 400 km. This is the shortest distance from the Russian Federation to the Balkans. Erdogan will try to take Razgrad and Shumen, even Varna will not be allowed to emu because it will block access to the Russian Federation to Serbia. Serbia "should" become the center of the "future" pro-Russian union. But he will be pleased in the Bulgarian Southeast. The plan is largely similar to Ukrainian, Georgian and Moldovan. This is what they are preparing for us! I don’t know how much our politicians understand, but yesterday Valerie Simeonov said something like that!
                  2. Pingo
                    Pingo 14 March 2018 02: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Mac Simka
                    Collapsed ATS and SPZ

                    the leadership of Russia with the USSR in 91 messed up a lot, but here the signature under the dissolution is in the same number as Bulgaria

                    So what? The signature on the dissolution of the USSR is including Russia.
                    Who set them?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 March 2018 09: 15
                      0
                      bastard Yeltsin, but the signature on the dissolution of the police department is including Bulgaria
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 14 March 2018 09: 41
                        +2
                        bastard Yeltsin, but the signature on the dissolution of the police department is including Bulgaria

                        Bulgaria wouldn’t sign, if it remained one ATS! bully
                  3. Pingo
                    Pingo 14 March 2018 09: 37
                    0
                    signature of whom exactly?
            4. lesnik1978
              lesnik1978 12 March 2018 19: 04
              +1
              Crimea did not recognize Lukashenko.
            5. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 March 2018 19: 28
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              Bulgaria’s NATO country is very strong about Russian sentiment




              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 21
                +7
                Think about it, we started. We don’t have sausages fried by the Eternal Flame:

                https://lenta.ru/news/2016/07/15/shashlik/
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 08: 23
                  +3
                  we have a lot more to do, but now we are talking about Bulgaria
                  1. Mac Simka
                    Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 31
                    +4
                    And we take an example from unparalleled analogues. Since you are shorter.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 21: 40
                      +2
                      Quote: Mac Simka
                      And we take an example from unparalleled analogues. Since you are shorter.

                      you will be responsible for yourself when the thread? !!!
                      1. Mac Simka
                        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 01
                        +4
                        What specifically - if the monuments, but sometimes they are filled with paint. I can even predict when they will do it again - akurat before which thread is a holiday or a visit. But this is ordering.
                        And why do you do it?
              2. pytar
                pytar 13 March 2018 00: 04
                +5
                Video from the previous year. In the middle, the topic of monuments and who paints them is also touched.
            6. Height
              Height 12 March 2018 22: 44
              +1
              Want to go your own way? Well, go, go ...
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 34
                +5
                Yes, that you whine that we are going. Happy and your way.
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                2. SevaNikolaev
                  SevaNikolaev 14 March 2018 21: 30
                  +3
                  I read for a long time, tired. So only relatives can fight.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 15 March 2018 18: 41
                    +3
                    So only relatives can fight

                    laughing Really convincing evidence of the kinship of our peoples! good Compare with the Anglo-Saxons! They have such boredom! No. Swearing monotonously, of the same type! sad They do not have the wealth that our Slavic Soul has! fellow
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            7. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 13: 57
              +3
              Ukrainians, Bulgarians ... Belarusians - Crimea is not recognized ...

              Just like info: Serbs also did not recognize Crimea.
              And so in general you are right! hi
              1. Hadastus
                Hadastus 13 March 2018 18: 10
                0
                And what do you say about the mutual hatred of Serbs and Bulgarians?
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 33
                  +3
                  Absolutely not observed in the last 20-25 years. Although if there are problems - the so-called. Great powers pit us again.
                2. pytar
                  pytar 14 March 2018 00: 48
                  +2
                  Probably never between the Serbs and the Bulgarians the relationship was not as good as in the last 15-20 years. Mac Sim is right. If they leave us alone, and do not touch us from the outside, there will be no problems between us and the Serbs. We are the closest ethnically, linguistically and culturally peoples.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 12 March 2018 15: 27
            +6
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            The patriarch diplomatically plunged the "little brothers" into their own cesspool of sewage. And the slander who jumped out from under the collar is a grain of sand from the “brother's” pillow, because the Bulgarians have no voice and will not be there for a long time.

            And I’m interested in the reaction of the representatives of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church .... Wherever I searched, I didn’t find anything.
            Patriarch Kirill did not represent the Russian Federation, but the Russian Orthodox Church. And based on the fact that insult было inflicted Deputy Prime Minister of Bulgaria Valery Simeonov, an official person, the words uttered by him were given on behalf of the state of Bulgaria. It turns out that the BOC kept silent, did not stand up for the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. And personally it seems to me like spitting ALL Orthodox Bulgarians towards Orthodox Russia. Bulgaria is not Poland. But they become too much alike. Now wait for the demolition of monuments to Russian and Soviet soldiers?
            I look forward to comments from the "little brothers." Or have everyone turned into "Thracian warriors" there?
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 30
              +6
              Why comment here - our president paid tribute to both RI and Alexander 2 and all those who fell for the freedom of Bulgaria. And your patriarch was a little off topic.
              By the way, I waited several days when this libel was issued. The theater of the absurd has begun.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 12 March 2018 23: 36
                +7
                Quote: Mac Simka
                And your patriarch was a little off topic.

                Not in the subject of what? What did the Russian Empire put thousands of their soldiers on the fields of Bulgaria? Or set you free another a country?
                I watch the virus of Bandera's reading of History I got to your “South Slavic” minds - as Yatsenyuk raved about the 1-th Ukrainian Front, which consisted entirely of Ukrainians, so in your current concept, “representatives” of all modern civilized peoples of the EU freed Bulgaria.
                And your BOC is so completely in full gyzy - not a word, not a half-word.
                Go for it former Turkish comrades .... West will help you .....
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 07: 52
                  +8
                  Dear comrade, a former Mongol-like, do not be rude. For the gifted it is said that the first part of the word was devoted to RI, Alexander 2 and Russian soldiers. And the monuments of the RT war of 1877-78 are 99% in honor of RI.
                  I do not understand the pathological desire in the Russian Federation, and here, at every mention of Bulgaria, throw a tantrum and lie in the most shameless way. No one in Bulgaria denies the role of RI, but the desire to always lie even for obvious things is not clear.
                  In general, they will speak about who in what “gyzr” does not do you honor. Because the BOC has issued an official statement. And do not be rude anymore.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 08: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Mac Simka
                    Dear comrade, a former Mongol-like, do not be rude.

                    or maybe it’s you stop rude "ally"?
                    1. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 13 March 2018 16: 44
                      +5
                      After you dismissed the ATS and the SPZ, we have been non-allies for 27 years, “partner.” With your allied affairs, climb to Belarusians, Serbs, etc. And as for rudeness, you can notice with your naked eye that I am only responding to your boorish antics. Never Bulgarian rude to you or the Russian Federation.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 17: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Mac Simka
                        After you dismissed the ATS and the SPZ, we have been non-allies for 27 years
                        and we were them? !!!

                        Quote: Mac Simka
                        about rudeness - with the naked eye you can notice that I am only responding to your boorish antics.

                        and when did I get you naughty?
              2. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 13 March 2018 02: 18
                +3
                And those. in the whole history of Bulgaria? He took advantage of the opportunity, so to speak, and under the sauce of liberation from the Ottoman yoke, he thanked everyone at once. Stripes with Britaxaxes why not included in the list? They are "liberating" you from Russia at the present time.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 07: 53
                  +7
                  Did you even listen to the speech of our president or just scribble along the training manual?
            2. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 00: 39
              +5
              The Holy Synod of the BOC: Radev firmly defended his position during a meeting with Patriarch Kirill

              The Holy Synod of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church presented a position regarding the meeting of Bulgarian President Rumen Radev with the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill, which took place on March 4 in Sofia, according to the BNR.

              The meeting was also attended by the Bulgarian patriarch Neophytos. They said from the Synod that Rumen Radev firmly defended his position during the meeting. At it, Patriarch Kirill expressed his pain and disappointment in connection with the devaluation of the role of Russia in the Russian-Turkish war of liberation, and with respect to other, in his opinion, states. The President assured Patriarch Kirill with tact and dignity that the Bulgarian people never ceased to pay respect and well-deserved thanks to the Russian people, the Russian church and the soldiers from the liberating army of Emperor Alexander II.

              At the same time, President Radev categorically emphasized that just as the church is fighting for the soul of every person, so we keep gratitude to every warrior who fought and died for the freedom of Bulgaria, despite his nationality.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 00: 43
                +2
                Quote: pytar
                At the same time, President Radev categorically emphasized that just as the church is fighting for the soul of every person, so we keep gratitude to every warrior who fought and died for the freedom of Bulgaria, despite his nationality.

                Bravo!
                Mention everyone by name?
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 07: 54
                  +6
                  Calm down, you are not there.
                2. pytar
                  pytar 13 March 2018 09: 58
                  +4
                  Here are the exact words of the Bulgarian President:
                  "This is a memory of the fraternal impulse of Russian society, which proved that the Orthodox Bulgarians are not alone. We will not forget it. We will not forget the words from the manifesto of Emperor Alexander II, declaring war on the Ottoman Empire, that" this requires a sense of justice, and a feeling Our own dignity. "" The people themselves went to war, led by the tsar, "wrote Dostoevsky in his diary," people read the manifesto and were baptized. "These scenes, these feelings are deep and unshakable by selfish political interpretations. On the battlefields of the Russian-tour Coy liberation war dead soldiers of many nations. Russian, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins to all of them Bulgaria - last house, and we honor both his characters ".

                  What is wrong there? Even during socialism at the insistence of the USSR in Bulgaria on 3-March they began to mention representatives of other nations!



                  In his answer, the Bulgarian President seemed more spiritual than the patriarch! There is explicit manipulation on the part of the Russian media!

                  The Bulgarian president, Rumen Radev, responded diplomatically and firmly to the reproaches of the Russian patriarch Kirill during their meeting at the Dondukov Blvd No. 2 (in the Presidency). Here are the positions of the presidency: "The Russian media broadcast the reproaches of the Ego of His Grace Cyril, but their camera was withdrawn before the president responded. Rumen Radev firmly stated" that as the Church fights for the soul of every person, we are grateful to everyone for the war that fought in the Russian army under the banner of Emperor Alexander II and for everyone who died for the freedom of Bulgaria, it’s no difference from ego nationality. " As for the Liberation, it is the result of the Russian-Turkish war and Bulgaria is grateful to Russia. The president also said that he was impressed by the thesis for the "power of silence" in the books of Patriarch Kirill. Then the Ego, the Holiness stopped reproaching and said "" good! let us stop this page! ”At the end of the conversation, Patriarch Kirill thanks President Radev and sends him a wish for spiritual strength in state affairs. The Bulgarian state head, thanked Kirill and said that from his post, he asked for blessings from a wise spiritual guide of Orthodox Bulgarians, Ego Holiness Patriarch Neophytos, who also gave it! "
          3. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 12 March 2018 18: 29
            0
            But is it not Fyodor Mikhailovich himself, I apologize for the expression, "ass tore" for the release of the so-called "little brothers"?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 March 2018 19: 29
              +3
              Quote: Nitochkin
              But is it not Fyodor Mikhailovich himself, I apologize for the expression, "ass tore" for the release of the so-called "little brothers"?

              this is our national trait, to help our neighbor and then listen to insults from him
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 13 March 2018 02: 22
                +2
                Under the “Romanovs,” Mother Russia was the hands with which sundry dragged chestnuts out of the fire. To the delight of the Britons, the war began with the Ottoman Empire. They beat their people, weakened themselves and the Ottomans. In the end, no benefit. But the "little brothers" were released. Was it worth it to free these "little brothers"?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 08: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Nitochkin
                  Was it worth it to free these "little brothers"?

                  the question is not posed correctly, but are they BROTHERS?
              2. pytar
                pytar 13 March 2018 11: 04
                +3
                Your national trait is to come, offend, take offense and leave proudly crowded with a sense of accomplishment! This is not productive! Manages to quarrel on an empty place, not everyone can! Cyril could.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 11: 14
                  +8
                  Quote: pytar
                  Cyril could.

                  ... poke your nose into your perverse political correctness ....
                  Remind me that your Stoykovich betrayed “off camera” when the Russian national football team lost to Bulgaria the right to enter the football championship? He gave out without hesitation then: "Russia freed us from the Turkish yoke, and we freed them from the football championship!"
                  About the game itself - the judge whistled "one way" ....
                  Patriarch Kirill reminded the Bulgarians of their "historical conjunctural memory." No more.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 13 March 2018 11: 32
                    +4
                    Nothing but to spoil the image of Russia in the eyes of the Bulgarians, Cyril could not. And do not talk about political correctness, but about correctness!
                    Stojkovic, Mojkovic and no, Bulgarian People! It is among the Russians there are many beggars. But they are not Russian people!

                    Rumen Radev worthy of the President! Best of all that was before him! From the very beginning of his presidency, he said that Russia is not our enemy and he will work for improvements in relations! He was constantly attacked by dogs paid by the State Department! We expected a blow from the West! And he came from where we did not expect! From Russia! What is going on gentlemen?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 18: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      Nothing but to spoil the image of Russia in the eyes of the Bulgarians, Cyril could not.

                      excuse me, but what violet image do we have of our enemy, the main thing is that at the sight of our tanks you would be liquidated
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 13 March 2018 19: 36
                        +1
                        I'm sorry, but to us violet...

                        Martians are reddish due to the atmosphere on Mars! am And you violet! belay Excuse me, but what happened to the atmosphere with you? what
                        pointso that at the sight of our tanks you are liquidated

                        Thank! I realized that the most important thing for you! fellow It’s strange, because in the kindergarten, the kids with the tanchiki are boasting, and besides, they are getting dressed! winked
                      2. Mac Simka
                        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 09
                        +2
                        Three times “ha”. I'm going to get popcorn and beer. Waiting for your unmatched tanks, planes, rockets and Death Stars to die of laughter. We are not violet, on the drum and to the bulb what and when you will scare. We are already scared, but shkolota can not understand. So do not be shy - send your super-duper dzvaysov. We will be scared of him.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 18: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: pytar
                  Your national trait is to come, offend, take offense and leave proudly crowded with a sense of accomplishment!

                  Do not remind us when we came to you and offended you?
                  no, well, just interesting
                  By the way, you are aware that the Turks slaughtered you only because you looked up in their presence, I'm sorry, but it’s not pathetic that the Bulgarians live only thanks to Russia and, in gratitude for this, two world wars fought against us and now you are the main NATO member whose task is the destruction of Russia
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 13 March 2018 19: 46
                    +1
                    Do not remind us when we came to you and offended you?

                    I will not remind. In a minute you will forget again.
                    By the way, you know that the Turks slaughtered you ... Bulgarians live only thanks to Russia

                    I know. 99% of Bulgarians too.
                    in gratitude for this, two world wars fought against us ... Russia

                    And here you are mistaken!
                    and now you are a member of NATO whose main task is the destruction of Russia

                    So far, yes. You and many others have surrendered us. And we do not believe you.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 20: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      I will not remind. In a minute you will forget again.

                      the answer is clear, we couldn’t find examples
                      Quote: pytar
                      in gratitude for this, two world wars fought against us ... Russia
                      And here you are mistaken!

                      ???? !!! belay
                      do you have some kind of story? !!!!
                      Quote: pytar
                      So far, yes. You and many others have surrendered us. And we do not believe you.

                      ? !!!!
                      remain neutral is not fate? !!!
                      Quote: pytar
                      I am in the know. 99% of Bulgarians, too.

                      that's why you are in NATO and vote for the same
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 21: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        do you have some kind of story? !!!!

                        So won-direct competitors Svidomo Sumerians ... lol
                        Today it is a tendency - every "important" country (the smaller - the steeper) must rewrite "its outstanding" role in world history .... The main task in this case is to forget your shame and punctures ....
                        laughing
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 14 March 2018 10: 07
                        +2
                        the answer is clear, we couldn’t find examples

                        Examples as you want. That one is from Cyril. Although in fact the situation with him is completely different! This is like a pre-planned provocation! On the side of Cyril and those who stand behind him!
                        do you have some kind of story? !!!!

                        And you have your own.
                        remain neutral is not fate? !!!

                        It's not meant to be. We live in the territory - the crossroads of the interests of great forces. Even today they will not leave us alone!
                        that's why you are in NATO and vote for the same

                        which ones? What do not you like? Bulgaria refused to participate in the anti-Russian Black Sea flotilla and so buried the project! Missile defense also refused accepted!
          4. volodimer
            volodimer 13 March 2018 03: 28
            +3
            ... "Honestly, I don’t know how many Finns, Romanians, Poles and Lithuanians died there. But the losses of the Russian army are known." ...
            The patriarch should have been reminded of a part of which state at that time Lithuania, Poland and Finland were. So YES!
            ... "and be so kind as to list ALL who took part in the war. And the Bashkirs, and Tatars, and Kalmyks ... In short, all 104 peoples of Russia." ...
            1. albert
              albert 13 March 2018 22: 13
              +1
              Quote: volodimer
              “Honestly, I don’t know how many Finns, Romanians, Poles and Lithuanians died there. But the losses of the Russian army are known.” ...

              The fact is that in tsarist Russia of the 19th century, the so-called "foreigners" were not taken into the army at all. What other nationalities could there be other than Russians?
              1. pytar
                pytar 14 March 2018 00: 35
                0
                they didn’t take foreigners into the army, but they were there wassat
                1. Pingo
                  Pingo 14 March 2018 00: 54
                  0
                  for example, they bought an officer’s patent and Russian soldiers walked under Plevna to freeze it
                  1. albert
                    albert 14 March 2018 22: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Pingo
                    for example, they bought an officer’s patent and Russian soldiers walked under Plevna to freeze it

                    In Russia, officer patents were not sold.
                    1. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 50
                      +1
                      and how did Napoleon almost get into the Russian service?
                      sold, you can google about it.
                      1. albert
                        albert 14 March 2018 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Pingo
                        How did Napoleon almost get into the Russian service?

                        It is more likely to refer to the hiring of officers abroad. I meant selling officer patents for money, as in France of Louis the Fourteenth, that is, moving up in the rank for money, and not for merit.
                    2. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 23: 07
                      +1
                      Napoleon did not intend to get to the Russian salary by non-ordinary people, and it was not at all a language exam that set him up, but the then rule to hire foreigners to Russia one rank down.
        2. iouris
          iouris 12 March 2018 16: 03
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          A terribly ugly story ... It just hurts your eyes!

          Flies should be separated from cutlets.
          We cannot judge the patriarch, this is impossible. This also applies directly to Simeonov, but he is an inveterate scoundrel. And in general, we are talking about belittling and defending the honor of Russia and historical memory, and not about any kind of smuggling.
          1. pytar
            pytar 13 March 2018 11: 21
            +1
            We cannot judge the patriarch, this is impossible.

            Why can't you judge the patriarch? Is he the Lord or the saint? He is a man, like everyone else! Do not post makes a person Man!
            This also applies directly to Simeonov, but he is an inveterate scoundrel.

            Simeonov is a representative of one of the small parties in the coalition of the government. In the same coalition, a VMRO / internal Macedonian revolutionary organization joins with him, whose chairman Krasimir Karakachanov is also vice-prime minister for defense and the Ataka party, Volena Sidorova, known as the most anti-NATO and pro-Russian party in Parliament! And Karakachanov and Siderov firmly went against Simeonov and urged him to apologize! Siderov generally called on Simeonov to file a remnant!
            https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/22319-minist
            r-oborony-bolgarii-prinizhenie-roli-rossijskoj-im
            perii-nachalos-vo-vremya-kommunizma

            https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/22275-sidero
            v-prizval-vitse-premera-bolgarii-izvinitsya-za-sl
            ova-o-patriarkhe-kirille
            1. iouris
              iouris 13 March 2018 14: 12
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              He is a man, like everyone else!

              This is not true. If you are not Orthodox, then all the more you have no right to insult the feelings of believers. Here you are not England. That is why your vice is a scoundrel.
              1. pytar
                pytar 13 March 2018 17: 55
                +1
                This is not true. If you are not Orthodox, then all the more you have no right to insult the feelings of believers. Here you are not England. That is why your vice is a scoundrel.

                I am Orthodox and our local Archimandrite says: "Before God all are equal!"
                Feelings of Believers, they are to God! True Faith does NOT consist in the clothes of a clergyman or in the ego-san!
                I don’t know how in England. I have never been there.
                Vice premier scoundrel. Yes.
                1. iouris
                  iouris 14 March 2018 13: 01
                  0
                  Quote: pytar
                  "Before God all are equal!"

                  Yes, but some of these "all" are more "equal." Perhaps you misinterpreted the words of Archimandrite. Thanks to the introduction of the new “value system”, many people do not understand the meaning of the concepts “hierarchy” and “hierarchy”. This leads to a reformatting of society. Such a society is losing its national and spiritual foundations.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 14 March 2018 13: 34
                    0
                    The words of Archimandrite are simple and unambiguous. There is nothing to interpret there.
                    As for societies, they are different. In our society, our values. We are not trying to “export” them to anyone, but we are not accepting them by other people's concepts. request
                    1. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 23: 01
                      0
                      If the depressed Bulgarian society rubs this together, then this is not so bad, when the odes to the EU military begin to sing in front of the Russian patriarch on a par with the Russians, this already attracts provocation.
        3. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 13 March 2018 19: 44
          +1
          Stas, don’t make a fuss of yourself, in the articles for the meetings of Navalny you were explicitly against the authorities, you did not say anything against the fact that Navalny used the youngsters. You are his supporter.
        4. nickname7
          nickname7 14 March 2018 09: 57
          0
          Why, then, in the case of Cyril, is this outrageous for us, but in the case of Navalny satisfied? Is there hypocrisy here?
          Do not distort! Navalny is not criticized for the investigation itself. Navalny uses investigations to promote himself in order to become an official, or the president, for whom Navalny is indignant. Cyril does not seek to become president.
      2. pytar
        pytar 13 March 2018 11: 07
        +3
        We have no friends or allies. Do you want to join the Russian Federation, the rest is from the evil one

        No, because you manage to quarrel with those closest to you! Want to connect, tell someone what is needed and how it should be! And then love to disown, from your own decrees! No West could do you as much harm as you yourself did!
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    3. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 12 March 2018 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Is it any wonder, because not for the first time, "bratushki" substitute us a bandwagon.

      Perhaps one needs to be surprised that the little brother is without a king in his head. They at least count on this head amuse ... Absolutely without any conclusions live. fool
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 March 2018 11: 12
        +3
        They at least count on this head amuse ... Absolutely without any conclusions live. fool

        We made our conclusions! Russia does not need friendly Bulgaria! Russia needs completely subordinate Bulgaria to it! I don’t think it will work ... No.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 13 March 2018 11: 30
          +1
          From self-conceit, then. Small but important. They say about such people: "The rooster is an important bird, until you kick, it will not fly!"
          1. pytar
            pytar 13 March 2018 11: 55
            +3
            Disrespect for others does not make you superior to them!
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 13 March 2018 12: 11
              +1
              I completely agree with the respected Victor Hugo. Only it was not about size.
              1. pytar
                pytar 13 March 2018 12: 17
                +2
                .. doubt ... Small ... important ... Rooster ... "

                => DISRESPECT!
                1. Nitochkin
                  Nitochkin 13 March 2018 14: 10
                  +1
                  No disrespect on my part, one truth, but she is such a thing, her eyes piercing. And the bird did not please? Ah, whoever hurts, he thinks about that. Clear. Do you think I used the word "cock" in the LGBT context? Well, you won’t throw words out of a song, just as you wrote it in a saying. And what your imagination imagined about there is not my problem.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 13 March 2018 16: 00
                    +3
                    No disrespect on my part, one truth, but she is such a thing, her eyes piercing.
                    =>
                    From self-conceit, then. Small but important. They say about such people:

                    Did you say that about the Bulgarians? Doesn't your eyes prick? I won’t go down to your level, and I won’t talk about Russians in the same way, because I respect the Russian people very much!
                    Ah, whoever hurts, he thinks about that ... Do you think I used the word "cock" in the LGBT context? ... And what your imagination imagined there - this is not my problem.

                    What I think you don’t know. For this, do not rewrite your thoughts on me. By the way, the French have a rooster symbol. The Bulgarians have a lion. Over there on Shipki!

                    Do you know which way it looks? Towards Russia! Do you know why? I'll tell you!
                    When the monument was built, the ego was first turned south! Greeks, rhinestones got nervous! Sent, protest for the protest! According to them, so Leo threatened Greece! Twisted the ego to the West! Oh, here the Serbs jumped up! No, no, no! A direct threat to Serbia is this! Our people bowed and turned Leo to the North, to the place from where the Russian army the Liberator had come across the Danube! But Romanians didn’t like it very much! Intend to stop diplomatic relations! Then the Bulgarians turned Leo to the only remaining plantations of the world! To the East! Where Our Freedom came from! And he is still watching the natam! Not with threat, but with gratitude! And Russia was pleased! Because, everyone perceives symbols in such a way, what is his inner nature!
                    1. Nitochkin
                      Nitochkin 13 March 2018 18: 05
                      +2
                      So you are a small country. Where isn’t it here?
                      Bulgaria is well-known in the world of big politics only because Russia can be properly salted through it. If not for this, no one would have noticed you. For example, Portugal, which is not audible and invisible. People live for themselves, because of the importance they don’t swell like turkeys and some stupid representatives of a small country called Bulgaria. And yes, Bulgaria is a notable player in world politics. Only not a player, but a rag doll, which is pulled by the puppeteers' strings. And where is it not true?
                      And you are important from this, but without you, NATO and the United States are without hands. And here where is the truth?
                      Quote: pytar
                      What I think you don’t know. For this, do not rewrite your thoughts on me. By the way, the French have a rooster symbol. The Bulgarians have a lion. Over there on Shipki!
                      And what are you offended by the "rooster"? You still did not understand the meaning of the saying, it’s not the cock. And yes, again about importance - your symbol is already the whole king of animals Leo, no more and no less. Well, still lions would be found in Bulgaria. What does the Bulgarian lion symbolize? Especially against the backdrop of the events of the 20th-beginning of the 21st centuries.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 14 March 2018 15: 20
                        +1
                        So you are a small country. Where isn’t it here?

                        Small, but for how earthly Paradise! Great not with size, but with its Beauty and from its hardworking People!
                        Bulgaria is well-known in the world of big politics only because Russia can be properly salted through it.

                        From that place, you can salt each one or treat them with bread and salt. It all depends on what purpose he comes to us.
                        If not for this, no one would have noticed you.

                        Do not be this, but it is. As a result, they not only notice, but more often do not give us rest!
                        People live for themselves, because of the importance they don’t swell like turkeys and some stupid representatives of a small country called Bulgaria.

                        Our people live normally, and certainly not worse than in Russia. By the way, many Russians also live with us! Proud of his country, not unambiguously in pride, like some super-dupers are great. All countries, among all peoples, are without stupidity, like smart representatives.
                        And yes, Bulgaria is a notable player in world politics.

                        In the Balkan region, it is! Like someone or not, but a fact. We do not have imperial ambitions.
                        Only not a player, but a rag doll, which is pulled by the puppeteers' strings. And where is it not true?

                        Here is 1. resentment, xnumx. not true.
                        Offends those who are weak in spirit. Lying is one who is petty in soul.
                        P.P. We are talking about the individual, not about the peoples.
                    2. Tver69
                      Tver69 16 March 2018 12: 12
                      0
                      An interesting story about a lion. It would be worse if the lion turned back to Russia.
        2. iouris
          iouris 13 March 2018 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Russia needs completely subordinate Bulgaria to it!

          You invented it yourself - with yourself and debate It was the USSR (Russia) that dissolved the socialist bloc. After that, Bulgaria became part of the EU and lost its subjectivity.
          1. pytar
            pytar 13 March 2018 16: 15
            +3
            You invented it yourself - with yourself and discuss

            I would be glad if I'm wrong in that case.
            It was the USSR (Russia) that dissolved the socialist bloc.

            Exactly! Why then do you constantly reproach the betrayal of all the countries of BE, and even Bulgaria?
            Thereafter Bulgaria has become part of the EU and has lost its subjectivity.

            Here is the keyword after! And as a result of that!
            Why do you think that CMEA had, but in the EU, lost its subjectivity? All unions are based on certain restrictions in sovereignty!
            1. iouris
              iouris 14 March 2018 13: 09
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              Why then do you constantly reproach the betrayal of all the countries of BE, and even Bulgaria?

              This claim is definitely not for me. In all states, the petty-bourgeois counter-revolution took place, as a result of which the West received everything and used this resource.
              Quote: pytar
              Why do you think that CMEA had, but in the EU, lost its subjectivity?

              Because in CMEA and ATS no one encroached on your national identity, national economy, borders were inviolable. It’s completely different now: the national is subordinated to the "pan-European", i.e. Germanic, the borders are open and even guarded by the Poles. This is a completely different type of "union."
              1. pytar
                pytar 14 March 2018 13: 58
                0
                This claim is definitely not for me.

                Good! I apologize! hi
                Because in CMEA and ATS no one encroached on your national identity, national economy, borders were inviolable. It’s completely different now: the national is subordinated to the "pan-European", i.e. Germanic, the borders are open and even guarded by the Poles. This is a completely different type of "union."

                Wto argue with that!
                1. National identity was reworked through the prism of social ideology. We paid a huge price! The loss of Bulgarian identity, for the greater part of the Bulgarian people living in Macedonia and national nihilism, from which we still cannot be cured. By the way, there is a restoration of our national self-consciousness. The Bulgarian Spirit is like that. If at least one spark remains from him, after a while again as the Phoenix will rise from the ashes!
                2.National Economy - Non-market economy has its own characteristics. Ours was wholly tied to the Soviet one. The Soviet collapsed, and ours collapsed. Now a market economy. After all, it’s like that of the Russian Federation! We are developing quite successfully. I do not comment on which is worse, which is better.
                3. The borders were unbreakable (- / +). No one could encroach on our territory, but at that time the Bulgarian people were divided in two with the "Berlin Wall".
                4.national is subordinate to the "pan-European" - earlier there was a subordinate "general socialist". But we have preserved our uniqueness of 13 centuries in all sorts of unimaginable conditions. Save and for the future.
                5. The borders are open and even guarded by the Poles. - Now we have 2 type of borders - External for the EU - from Turkey - There Yes! We protect so that the chicken could not go! Bulgarian volunteer units also operate in border areas!
                Internal - as it is not. This is huge + The main reason for wars has fallen off!
                Before the border guarded terribly / I myself served at the border /. At the same time, we guarded them from outside and inside, so that people would not run to the west. we were in the camp surrounded with barbed wire! The entire social camp was a union with several separate Leger. It’s much easier for me and you now to visit each other than during social events.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 12 March 2018 17: 50
      +5
      There are too many “skeletons in the closet” of Cyril. And this is not only his problem. winked
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    6. pytar
      pytar 13 March 2018 00: 25
      +4
      In the end, the enemies achieved what they wanted. They cursed the Man who, during the year from his Presidency, did more for improvements in relations between Bulgaria and Russia than all re-take together did not.

      And Patriarch Kirill made it so that / in the words of one forum member/, Russia in 5 min. lost several thousand adherents in Bulgaria. All Western propaganda did not manage to achieve this after decades, while spending hundreds of millions of dollars!
      No external enemies are as dangerous for Russia as internal ones! Sometimes they can’t be recognized, because they are dressed in rasso.
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 13 March 2018 02: 17
        +5
        military service in the Russian Empire then was only for the Russians, who died as ordinary soldiers,
        Ukrainians and Belarusians with Russians are one nation.
        the president would still be the highlanders of Shamil and the Baltic Germans dragged.
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 March 2018 10: 11
          +3
          military service in the Russian Empire then was only for the Russians, who died as ordinary soldiers,

          You are very mistaken! Before Russian graves and monuments in Bulgaria, there are Finnish ones. There is a register with the names of the dead Finnish wars who fought in their national military formations on the Bulgarian. land. There are some in Finland. Finns present flowers on 3 March.

          Finland - Helsinki.

          Gornji Dubnik - Bulgaria - Finnish ambassador presents wreaths.
          The Romanians near Plevna have a whole cemetery and memorial complex. The Poles constituted the most numerous contingent after the Russians. Around 50-55 thousand!
          Ukrainians and Belarusians with Russians are one nation.

          They think differently and now they have their own states.
          The main recruits in the Russian army, due to their proximity to the Balkans, were recruited from Ukraine. Tens of thousands of them left their bones in the graves.
          the president would still be the highlanders of Shamil and the Baltic Germans dragged.

          He is the President of Bulgaria! No one but the Bulgarian people can give him advice!
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 10: 13
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            He is the President of Bulgaria! No one but the Bulgarian people can give him advice!

            C'mon ... But what about Brussels and Washington?
            You relaxed .....
            laughing
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 11: 59
              +1
              C'mon ... But what about Brussels and Washington? You relaxed .....

              The Bulgarian People and no one else chose Gen. Radev as President! And this is the President with whom we are truly proud! He is a worthy man!
              And you, up to Brussels and Washington, got along with your "advice"?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 14: 28
                +2
                Quote: pytar
                And you, up to Brussels and Washington, got along with your "advice"?

                Chewed for the Near: Membership wassat Bulgaria in the EU and NATO most directly suggests that the main foreign policy decisions are made not by Sofia, and not by the president, chosen by the Bulgarian people. As an illustrative example, there is a ban on the construction of the 2-th phase of nuclear power plants in Bulgaria by Rosatom, as well as a refusal to build the South Stream gas pipeline.
                You will tell each other about your independence in a glass of brandy ....
                laughing
                1. pytar
                  pytar 13 March 2018 18: 12
                  0
                  I am chewing for those who are near-by: Bulgaria's wassat membership in the EU and NATO ... suggeststhat the main foreign policy decisions are made not by Sofia, and not by the president ....

                  I am chewing for those who are near-by: Who knows a lot what ... request As for the President, Bulgaria is the Parliamentary Republic.
                  As an illustrative example, there is a ban on the construction of the 2-th phase of nuclear power plants in Bulgaria by Rosatom, as well as a refusal to build the South Stream gas pipeline.

                  You are clearly not up to date on the situation with these issues. In summary: The license for the existing Kozloduy NPP has been extended to 2030, with the option to continue to 2040. At the moment, the Government is developing a new Belene NPP strategy. Different options are being squandered, like for example: 1. Construction with the help of private investors. Rosatom has already declared its interest. 2. Joint accommodation from the Balkan countries - Serbia, Macedonia, Greece, Albania, Croatia, Slovenia and BiH.
                  In place of UP, they are preparing a project on the super-hub Bolkan / near Varna /, which should be directly connected to the pipe from the Russian Federation. The EU fully supports the project. Romania, Greece and Serbia have already given positive foundations.
                  You will tell each other about your independence in a glass of brandy ....

                  For glasses of brandy, we have fun! Together with our neighbors on the Balkans! drinks
            2. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 12: 58
              +5
              Let’s think your oligarchs keep money in Russia, or live there, or your socialites give birth in Moscow. Or you have the freedom to supply weapons without looking back at a shout from the USA - don’t tell me you are not relaxed slippers.
          2. Pingo
            Pingo 13 March 2018 10: 17
            +2
            Belarusians and Ukrainians do not think so (especially those who remember the Russian Empire or the USSR), and the states were created by the same Masons who put the German dynasty on the Bulgarian throne.
            How Finnish and Polish are the names of those who are there? There were articles about Finnish independence, Polish differed little from it, and no one in Russia except ethnic Russians was liable for military service.
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 12: 37
              +1
              Belarusians and Ukrainians do not think so

              They authorized you to speak for them? bully
              How Finnish and Polish are the names of those who are there?

              About Finns there is even a separate registry in the archives of the Bulgarians. museums. Fin General Ernot, was the Minister-Chairman of Bulgaria from 1881. Polish surnames also have a lot. There are many known cases in this war when the Poles showed heroism! For example, Stanislav Stankevich.
              At the beginning of 1876, more than 85 000 soldiers with a catholic faith were in active service in Armenia. According to data from 1876 in the Russian army serve 64 883 soldiers born in Polsha. They make up 9,36% of the total army. The rest are Lithuanians and Belorussians. Of these, half participate in the Russian-Turkish war.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 13 March 2018 19: 49
                0
                They were called Russian and served in the Russian army. This is now trying to give a national dimension.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 13 March 2018 21: 06
                  0
                  They were called Russian and served in the Russian army. This is now trying to give a national dimension.

                  You're wrong. I’ll insert one clip here. Listen to the ego.

                  The person who wrote the letters is absolutely right! Apparently Patriarch Cyril did not know about this.
                  By the way, more facts! 3-March holiday like ДThe Liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke, first time honored in 1879 in Veliko Tarnovo. Since 1880, the ego has been honored as Day of the Exaltation on the Throne of Emperor Alexander II. Since 1888, as Day of the Liberation of Bulgaria with Ottoman rule. And so until 09.09.1944, when they came to power on the Red Army in Bulgaria communists! They obyalivat ego for the "chauvinistic" and cancel the official character of the celebration! From the middle of the 60, the holiday is celebrated in the military divisions of the SUA. As a national holiday of socialist Bulgaria, before 1990, 9 September is celebrated - "the victory of the socialist revolution in Bulgaria." The Day of the Liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke is beginning to be celebrated every year, but as a usual holiday with a decision to the Politburo of the Central Committee of the BKP from 1978. The restoration of March 3, as a National holiday - the Day of the Liberation of Bulgaria from Ottoman rule, occurs immediately after the collapse of socialism in 1990 with the decision of the Parliament!
                  1. Pingo
                    Pingo 13 March 2018 22: 14
                    0
                    so in the USSR almost all the merits of the Russian Empire were not held in high esteem, in the government there was only one Orthodox (and that Georgian), what could he do in this regard? laughing
                    was liberation from Nazi bayonets a holiday? the Soviet army (combat units) were about as Russian as in the Bulgarian War and WWI, there were fewer Belarusians due to the disruption of mobilization by the Germans, but they were partisan.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 14 March 2018 00: 39
                      0
                      And there is. In the USSR, "monarchical monuments" were destroyed. In Bulgaria, the BKP did not dare to touch the Russians. Destroyed only the Bulgarian.
                      In September 44, the Bulgarians sincerely delighted the Red Army and greeted it with bread and salt. And the wine !!! But then they still did not know that soon the communists would take away both the cow and the cornfield from them, and they would do other very unpleasant things.
                      1. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 00: 55
                        0
                        right worse than the Germans?
                        a cow or a suitcase? Soviet peasants with cows became worse only under Khrushchov.
                    2. pytar
                      pytar 14 March 2018 10: 14
                      0
                      right worse than the Germans? a cow or a suitcase? Soviet peasants with cows became worse only under Khrushchov.

                      The Germans are not ours! They are Germans! But when the bad comes from the Russians / they are ours / it turns out a bit sick. I do not know how good the Russian peasants were. Our social did not like. Not ours was this social system. After 90, few people regretted her.
                      1. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 11: 34
                        0
                        The Russians were not at the helm in the USSR, nor even now.
              2. Pingo
                Pingo 13 March 2018 21: 58
                0
                fin. General, in what rank was the Pole Stankevich?
                In Poland, not only Poles were born, and there are even Catholic Armenians
                Quote: pytar
                They authorized you to speak for them? bully

                Yes, of course, but why are you jerking on that issue? It's not for nothing that they are called Little Russians and White Russians, the history of the creation of Ukraine would be nice to see who and when ... and a no brainer for what.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 14 March 2018 10: 42
                  0
                  fin. General, in what rank was the Pole Stankevich?

                  The topic of the participation of Poles in the WGD has not been studied enough yet. All the same, there is plenty of evidence. Specifically about Stanislav Stankevich it is known that he was an ordinary from 9pd. What did you read? In one of the battles, Stankevich came out alone in front of the Russian line and began to shoot back at full height over the Turks. While reloading his arms and waiting to cool, he was not paying attention to the return fire, he was right and scolded the Turks.
                  Nikolay Ignatiev, mentions in one of his letters how a Polish soldier shot a Turkish colonel and wanted to capture the ego. That colonel also turned out to be a Pole in the service of the Sultan. Then the Polish soldier soaplessly hammered the bayonet into his sonarodnik.
                  Many Pole officers hold high command posts. The beginning headquarters of the Danube Army - Gen. Arthur Nepokoichitsky. As an example, a few more - Kazhimiezh Levitski, Marchin Kushevsky and Mikolaj Masalski. In 9pd - Gen. Ignacy Boreish, Regiment. Alexander Lipinski and Edward Zizzynski. "A battalion who played a key role in Shipki, is commanded by a regiment. Adam Kwieczynski ... On 29 on August 1878, the return of the Polish units to Warsaw was met with great joy to the Polish people.
                  In general, there are a lot of examples - there is work for historians!
                  Yes, of course, but why are you jerking on that issue? It's not for nothing that they are called Little Russians and White Russians, the history of the creation of Ukraine would be nice to see who and when ... and a no brainer for what.

                  Who as they call one or the other is not important! More important as they call themselves! Ukrintsy and Belarusians! There are now such states! Their inhabitants are rightfully the heirs of their grandfathers!
                  Rumen Radev thanks for the exploits of their grandfathers to those peoples who now have national states! Although the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, in fact there is no Russian empire as it was in 1878!
                  Ladies such an understandable example! If the three brothers, under the leadership of one of the eldest, did good to me, and after a while they parted, I must now thank them separately, and not just the elder!
                  1. Pingo
                    Pingo 14 March 2018 11: 31
                    0
                    They didn’t disperse, they partitioned off a fence.
                    Your president did not say that, and especially not to those.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 14 March 2018 12: 51
                      0
                      They didn’t disperse, they partitioned off a fence.

                      What's the difference? They already have their own national states!
                      Your president did not say that, and especially not to those.

                      All right, he said. And it’s very clear! It is impossible to explain to him who does not want to be understood.
                      1. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 13: 21
                        0
                        Whose efforts? This is one and the same nationality (people).
                        You don’t want to understand and it’s clear that this is a system.
                    2. pytar
                      pytar 14 March 2018 14: 15
                      0
                      Whose efforts? This is one and the same nationality. You don’t want to understand and it’s clear that this is a system.

                      Well no! I understand! We have so with the "Macedonians"! But we are talking about different things! 1. There are reasons for separation. It's not about her. 2. There is also the fact of the existence of internationally / incl. and from the side of the Russian Federation / recognized states with their peoples!
                      1. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 52
                        0
                        There is no reason. At first, non-Russian Bolsheviks drew administrative borders, then non-Russian democrats sawed through them.
                        Let the international non-Russian community acknowledge.
                      2. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 23: 08
                        0
                        and only on those issues that concern only them.
              3. Pingo
                Pingo 14 March 2018 22: 57
                0
                pytar,
                Know how these Poles would fight under his command? He found in the archives, without a clue.
            2. Nehist
              Nehist 13 March 2018 15: 53
              +2
              Who told you that besides ethnic Russians there were no military men? And where did you divide 57 Nogai, Teptyarsky, Bashkir, Kyrgyz horse regiments?
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 13 March 2018 16: 48
                +3
                In addition, the Dagestan Horse Regiment also fought.
                1. Pingo
                  Pingo 13 March 2018 22: 00
                  +1
                  and all these were irregular voluntary units, in 1916 the Kazakh rebellion was due to the attempt of their limited recruitment into construction and transport units.
                  approximately the same with mobilization was in the Second World War
                  1. Mac Simka
                    Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 13
                    +2
                    In fact, the Dagestan horse, like the Tatar squadron, were very regular units with a history of more than a dozen years.
                    1. Pingo
                      Pingo 13 March 2018 23: 16
                      +1
                      Even Cossack units with centuries of history were irregular, but Cossacks had military service.
                      1. Mac Simka
                        Mac Simka 14 March 2018 06: 53
                        +1
                        That's right. But the Cossacks had a duty, and those horse regiments were created as regular units.
                    2. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 09: 04
                      0
                      The regularity of the unit does not mean conscription. As an option - mercenary. They bought riders from the Murza, or the candidates simply paid tax. And they didn’t buy, or nobody went to the service - the staff remained unfilled. The Russians had a call without alternative.
                      As an example of such exotic, gurkha among the British.
                      In the US, all aircraft are regular, but there is no conscription or conscription.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 14 March 2018 09: 43
                        0
                        What does it mean, regular and regular, or what other parts were there? request Representatives of other nations were! Radev thanks these peoples, and not their states! hi
                    3. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 09: 31
                      +2
                      Regularity means following certain regulations, the charter.
                      There were no horunjies in the tsarist army, nor were there seven-banded, temniks, emirs, sheikhs, naibs, etc.
                      Therefore, take the "regularity" of these regiments in double quotation marks. Even Cossack units in which there was military service were irregular.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 14 March 2018 15: 57
                        0
                        No matter how you get out, there is an undeniable fact! Peoples of different nationalities fought in the RA or separately in their armies. Radev quite correctly mentioned those who were the most numerous with the help of historians and nowadays represent separate states. Usually such things are agreed upon before arrival. Cyril staged a show and fled.
                    4. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 09: 47
                      0
                      Radev did not understand that there were practically no representatives of other peoples there compared to Russians.
                      Now at least someone against the Edinar Turks, or for Orthodox heretics, will harness themselves en masse even for money.
                      The war bore a pronounced religious connotation.
                      It’s not Napoleon’s help to expel Berezina, whose army in Egypt stabbed all captured Muslims who surrendered at the mercy.
                      Do you know what the Poles did several years before this war during their uprising in Warsaw?
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 14 March 2018 16: 11
                        0
                        Radev did not understand that there were practically no representatives of other peoples there compared to Russians.

                        Radev, or rather the administration that prepares speeches, is based on historical facts and documents. There are so many such blessings! If Cyril does not know them, then this is his problem. Let him go to the Russian state archives, and ours will always show him.
                        Do you know what the Poles did several years before this war during their uprising in Warsaw?

                        I know, but where does your massacre from the Poles? Gene Gurko is a Hero! Monuments in ego honor stand in Bulgarian cities! And for the Poles, he is a villain who put out the Warsaw rebellion! You can’t transfer your confessions with us!
                    5. Pingo
                      Pingo 14 March 2018 23: 11
                      0
                      Radev, when he meets the Finnish ambassador, begins his story with the thanks of the Russian / Russian army? Vryatli ...
          3. iouris
            iouris 13 March 2018 14: 18
            +1
            Russia has always been multinational. These are all Russian people of different faiths.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 13 March 2018 15: 56
              +1
              The manning of troops in the Russian Empire was carried out on a territorial basis. All counties were divided into 3 groups: Great Russian, Little Russian (main) and foreign (additional). Each infantry regiment or artillery brigade had its own manning areas in all three groups, with most of the recruits coming from the main
              1. Pingo
                Pingo 13 March 2018 22: 03
                +1
                there was no call for foreigners in the Russian Empire at all, if the regiment is Finnish it is Russian from Helsingfors
                there were territorial (to protect the territory) national Finnish units and the duchy had such autonomy that it did not send them anywhere and had the right to do so
      2. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 13 March 2018 02: 25
        +3
        So these "adherents" are so committed that they bought into the "stupidity" of one person and were offended by the whole of Russia. No, in vain you were set free. You were worthy of your place under the Ottomans.
        Walk in the woods, Messrs. "Brothers."
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 07: 55
          +4
          What are you to us brother Walking-forest-forumchanin.
          1. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 13 March 2018 08: 11
            +3
            So am I talking about this, or didn’t you understand?
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 16: 49
              +3
              I understood, but I wanted to make sure that we were not fooled. Happily to you in this campaign.
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 13 March 2018 18: 10
                0
                And you don’t get sick.
        2. pytar
          pytar 13 March 2018 10: 15
          +1
          Your statement does not leave the impression that you are smarter than the President of Bulgaria. So, you to the forest! fellow
          1. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 13 March 2018 11: 47
            +1
            Well, where can I, syroma, compete in my mind with the President of Bulgaria. By the way, what is the relationship between the President of Bulgaria and the liberation from the Ottoman yoke? He took an active part in it, liberation? And how did you feel bad under the Ottomans? Well, yes, the Ottomans practiced genocide. Whether the Germans were Toli or the current NATO, these are good, not genocide. Just think, the military is building its bases, but they worry about the world in everything.
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 12: 06
              +3
              Well, where can I, syroma, compete in my mind with the President of Bulgaria.

              Well, you have glimpses of awareness! good
              By the way, what is the relationship between the President of Bulgaria and the liberation from the Ottoman yoke?

              The connection is right through and through with YOUR judgment! bully
              LIBERATION => BULGARIA => PRESIDENT => BULGARIA
              He took an active part in it, liberation?

              Yes, he did not accept Cyril. Neither living nor active took either active or passive part. You obviously do not know that the Liberation took place 140 years ago. Although the article under which we write read! It is indicated there! fellow
              Whether the Germans were Toli or the current NATO, these are good, not genocide. Just think, the military is building its bases, but they worry about the world in everything.

              I remember Yeltsin walked in Washington to repent and apologize to the Americans. Then I remember that before 2008, the Russian Federation actively participated in all of NATA's affiliate programs. They didn’t know the matter, or didn’t want to know about the Germans ... what
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 13 March 2018 14: 18
                0
                Quote: pytar
                LIBERATION => BULGARIA => PRESIDENT => BULGARIA

                Oh how, i.e. your president is the liberator from the Ottomans. But speak not small and not important. Deserved second place after ukrov, with their excavated Black Sea.
            2. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 12: 59
              +4
              I wonder what is your connection with the Liberation? Maybe took part?
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 13 March 2018 14: 21
                +2
                Liberation of Bulgaria => People of the Russian Empire => I.
                And if Russia had not removed the Ottomans from your territory, maybe there would have been neither you, nor your fellow countryman with whom you like each other, or your Bulgarian President.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 16: 55
                  +4
                  The connection is not entirely obvious, since the people of Ingushetia gave their sons and daughters their lives for our freedom. And you just whine from your couch => you are not the heir of that Russian people. Right now, is the connection between you and the representatives of that nation clearer?
                  1. Nitochkin
                    Nitochkin 13 March 2018 18: 11
                    0
                    Whose cow would moo about whining, but yours would be silent.
                    1. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 38
                      +2
                      My cow and I milk her. If I want it, it will mumble; if I want it, it will be silent.
    7. Awaz
      Awaz 13 March 2018 14: 58
      +6
      about cigarettes and wine, he is right. At 90 I was engaged in the trade of cigarettes and alcohol, and of the rest of the husk. So, all imported alcohol was cleared through the Russian Orthodox Church, as well as cigarettes. What, did they absolve Absolut vodka for their own purposes? Because of such as this pop, they destroyed the alcoholic Russian production culture. Right now, we are reaping the fruits and drinking Turkish and Chinese alcohol, sprinkled with Caucasian bootleggers.
      In general, the Russian Orthodox Church now lives at the expense of taxpayers: first, they themselves do not pay taxes and secondly, the state sponsors them constantly. So we have the right to ask anybody what kind of bucket they fly on private jets and the watches have an insane price.
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 13 March 2018 23: 20
        0
        but in general then almost all of the left-handed alcohol and singed vodka came from south Ossetia without any customs clearance
  2. svp67
    svp67 12 March 2018 06: 28
    +5
    On the battlefields of the Russo-Turkish War of Liberation, warriors died - representatives of many nations: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins. For all of them, Bulgaria has become the last home, and we honor them as our heroes.
    Generally a strange selection of nations whose wars died on the territory of Bulgaria then. In the Russian army fought, much more peoples and nationalities.
    And somehow it does not fit in with the previous part of that speech
    This is a memory of the fraternal impulse of Russian society, which proved that Orthodox Bulgarians are not alone. We will not forget him. We will not forget the words in the Manifesto of Emperor Alexander II, who declared war on the Ottoman Empire, because "this requires a sense of justice and our own dignity." “The people themselves rose to war, led by the tsar,” Dostoevsky wrote in his diary, “and people read the Manifesto and were baptized.” These memories (scenes), these feelings are deep and not subject to political interpretations.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 12 March 2018 07: 49
      +13
      Quote: svp67
      Generally a strange selection of nations whose wars died on the territory of Bulgaria then. In the Russian army fought, much more peoples and nationalities.

      Nothing strange: quite modern euroa set emphasizing that the Russians are only part (small) of those who fought.
      The fact that the "Ukrainians" did not exist at that time did not write to the Bulgarian.

      But the whole vice-premier of Simeons is simply an outspoken HAM. The patriarch does not need to answer, he must answer the Foreign Ministry.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 March 2018 07: 57
        +6
        Quote: Olgovich
        The fact that the "Ukrainians" did not exist at that time did not write to the Bulgarian.

        And Belarusians, and Romanians? Where did they come from?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 March 2018 08: 53
          +7
          Quote: svp67
          And Belarusians,

          Belarusians from the same Ukrainian series.
          With Romanians, it’s funnier: they were already with ...9 May 1877 lol
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 March 2018 08: 58
            +6
            Quote: Olgovich
            With the Romanians, funnier: they were already ... May 9, 1877

            Did they know about this?
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 24
              +4
              Of course they knew. Half of your strength on the Danube is Romania’s boat. And Pleven they fought more than worthy.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 March 2018 19: 30
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            With the Romanians, funnier: they were already ... May 9, 1877

            they consider themselves descendants of the Romans
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 March 2018 19: 48
              +3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              they consider themselves descendants of the Romans

              yeah ... the "Romans", but some are not Roman
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 March 2018 19: 57
                +3
                it doesn’t matter
            2. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 13 March 2018 02: 27
              +1
              Rumlyany? )))
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 10: 55
                +3
                Quote: Nitochkin
                Rumlyany? )))
                one person
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 13: 03
                  +3
                  This is an insult on the national grounds, if that. I, too, can post your fantasies about Svyatoslav and any Russian drunk or Natasha who is addicted to acid. Arranged?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 13: 07
                    +4
                    Quote: Mac Simka
                    This is an insult on the national grounds, if that.
                    you have not tried treatment?
                    what does the drunk and absolutely sober Romanian in national dress fool
                    1. Nitochkin
                      Nitochkin 13 March 2018 14: 23
                      +4
                      Yes, they have problems with a sense of humor, as well as with logic. But the importance of at least slurp bread.
                      1. Mac Simka
                        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 16: 57
                        +3
                        SW Nitochkin, communication with you completely kicks out any CHU. There is only regret.
                    2. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 13 March 2018 16: 56
                      +3
                      Do you think this is a typical representative of Romania? I don’t think so.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 18: 28
                        +2
                        all-all, admit defeat, the sculpture of Caesar was made with them
      2. 210ox
        210ox 12 March 2018 12: 36
        +5
        And why not answer the Patriarch? We often have the Foreign Ministry chewing snot .. Bulgarian politicians acted ugly later, when they began to accuse the Patriarch of money-loving and the like. Well, public people ANYWHERE do cheap Chinese fakes ..
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: svp67
        Generally a strange selection of nations whose wars died on the territory of Bulgaria then. In the Russian army fought, much more peoples and nationalities.

        Nothing strange: quite modern euroa set emphasizing that the Russians are only part (small) of those who fought.
        The fact that the "Ukrainians" did not exist at that time did not write to the Bulgarian.

        But the whole vice-premier of Simeons is simply an outspoken HAM. The patriarch does not need to answer, he must answer the Foreign Ministry.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 March 2018 12: 42
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          Why not answer the Patriarch?

          Personally, I have no complaints against him. He is there for the whole of Russia puffed. In general, on the part of Bulgaria, GREAT rudeness does not invite the head of state to such a celebration, which gave them independence.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 12 March 2018 13: 01
            +3
            This is beyond their capabilities .. Invite V.V. Putin ..
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: 210ox
            Why not answer the Patriarch?

            Personally, I have no complaints against him. He is there for the whole of Russia puffed. In general, on the part of Bulgaria, GREAT rudeness does not invite the head of state to such a celebration, which gave them independence.
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 March 2018 13: 07
              +4
              Quote: 210ox
              This is beyond their capabilities ..

              Yeah, dad from Washington doesn’t allow ... along with mom. They threaten all the leadership in an American prison to transplant for cutting a tranche ....
            2. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 07: 57
              +4
              Yes, you are not in the subject. Invited your BB. Yes, he did not want to come to the anniversary. And there’s nothing to cry later.
          2. nedgen
            nedgen 12 March 2018 23: 12
            +2
            Interestingly dear svp67, and who told you that Vladimir Vladimirovich was not invited? The Official Invitation WAS. Vladimir Vladimirovich simply replied that he would not be able to attend because of the upcoming elections. So it’s not time to talk about what they didn’t even hear about !!!
          3. pytar
            pytar 13 March 2018 10: 50
            +1
            But in general, GREAT rudeness is to come and begin to be rude to those who invited you! Immediately, the guest turns into a boor. The Russian Empire, in fact, gave independence to Bulgaria? And some are here at the forum, oh, how angry that Bulgaria is showing independence!
    2. andj61
      andj61 12 March 2018 10: 18
      +4
      On the battlefields of the Russo-Turkish War of Liberation, warriors died - representatives of many nations: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins. For all of them, Bulgaria has become the last home, and we honor them as our heroes.

      This is not just a strange set, but also not entirely reliable. Finns, with the exception of the Orthodox, were not recruited into the army and civil service in the Russian Empire (not in the VKF). To enter the Russian service it was necessary to leave for Finland, to accept Russian citizenship (and not the citizenship of the VKF).
      In 1809 finals. troops disbanded, recruits in the growth. army of fin. the population was not recruited. By military. Reform of 1878 imp. Alexander II in VKF created nat. armament forces that had their own. charters, could not be taken outside the VKF, subordinated to the general governor (and not grown. Minister of War) and could be dissolved by the monarch only with the consent of the Seimas. After the elimination of armament. forces VKF (1901) fin. subjects began to be called up to grow. army, however, a boycott of draft campaigns forced it to grow. government in 1905 replaced the military. service for them with a monetary contribution of the VKF to the imperial treasury. During the 1st World War, the territory of the VKF did not affect the military operations, instead of performing military service, the prince continued to pay monetary compensation.s: //bigenc.ru/domestic_history/tex
      t / 3800020

      So the Finns in any significant quantities appear in the Russian army in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78. just could not. hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 March 2018 12: 46
        +3
        Quote: andj61
        Finns, with the exception of the Orthodox, were not recruited into the army and civil service in the Russian Empire (not in the VKF).

        So to say more, the officers could have been of a different religion, but the rank-and-file and non-commissioned officers of the Russian army were purely ORTHODOX. They did not take others on this campaign. Left within the RI.
        And the ORTHODOX could be of any nationality, it didn’t concern anyone.
        We do not have questions for the Savior of Russia, citizen Minin, although he was Orthodox, but he is a Tatar.
        1. FenrirXnumx
          FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 16: 27
          0
          Quote: svp67
          We do not have questions for the Savior of Russia, citizen Minin, although he was Orthodox, but he is a Tatar.

          Minin is Tatar only in someone's inflamed brain. Do you have any references to historians confirming your lie?
          Do not have.
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 March 2018 17: 23
            +4
            Quote: Fenrir49
            Minin is Tatar only in someone's inflamed brain. Do you have any references to historians confirming your lie?

            And what makes you so jarred? The Dashkins, Chegodaevs, Alyabyevs, Godunovs, Davydovs, Naryshkins, Saburovs, Khitrovs, Yusupovs, Glinsky, Yermolovs, Turgenev, Kuprin, Bunin, Bulgakov are also from the Tatars. So what? In Russian history there are many people who are not Russian by origin, but Russians in their hearts who have done a lot of useful things for Russia.
            1. FenrirXnumx
              FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 19: 09
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Dashkins, Chegodaevs, Alyabyevs, Godunovs, Davydovs, Naryshkins, Saburovs, Khitrovs, Yusupovs, Glinsky, Yermolovs, Turgenev, Kuprin, Bunin, Bulgakov also from Tatars

              It's not about them, don’t blabber the question. It's about the fact that you lied about Minin.
              Quote: svp67
              And what makes you so jarred?

              I am jarred by your lies about Minin. Once again - give confirmation of this information. If you do not have confirmation, then admit that you lied.
              Soon, comrades like you will drag along the topic that Gagarin was a black man because he was Pushkin’s great-grandfather.
              Is it tolerant?
              1. svp67
                svp67 12 March 2018 19: 27
                +1
                Quote: Fenrir49
                Soon, comrades like you will drag along the topic that Gagarin was a black man because he was Pushkin’s great-grandfather.
                Is it tolerant?

                Already funny, try in a tolerant country to say that someone is Negro ...
                Quote: Fenrir49
                I am jarred by your lies about Minin.

                So go and get it right, if you are not able to live with this thought. What is the lie? Was Minin from the Tatars? So this is a very popular version and it was not expressed by me. Even the Patriarch of All Russia Alexy did not reject such a variant of events, because he perfectly understood that no matter what nationality Kuzma Minin was, the main thing was that he was ORTHODOX by faith, and a truly Russian person. I repeat once again that any person can be Russian, including from the Ethiopians, like Pushkin's ancestor, Hannibal. Immediately, the skin color and eye section are not the main thing, but what you have done and are doing for Russia.
                1. FenrirXnumx
                  FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 19: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  What is the lie? Was Minin from the Tatars? So this is a very popular version and it is not expressed by me

                  Yes, even if he is a black man of advanced years .. I don’t care at all. Is there evidence?
                  No. So Minin is Russian.
                  .
                  Quote: svp67
                  So this is a very popular version and it is not expressed by me

                  Do you understand the word "version"? From version to truth, as from Konotop to the moon.
                  And this your "version" is not mentioned by any serious historian. Therefore, this is not a version, but a complete lie.
                  With your "versions" it will soon turn out that there are no Russians anywhere. Suvorov is already being recorded in the Armenians. Tomorrow Gagarin will be recorded somewhere.
                  And all this nonsense is covered in chatter - that they say, the main thing is that "he loved Russia", "Russian is not a nationality", etc.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 12 March 2018 19: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    No. So Minin is Russian.

                    For God's sake...
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    Do you understand the word "version"? From version to truth, as from Konotop to the moon.

                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    And this your "version" is not mentioned by any serious historian.
                    Do they generally mention his nationality? Profession - yes, position in society, yes, what I accomplished - and that’s all ...
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    And all this nonsense is covered in chatter - that they say, the main thing is that "he loved Russia"

                    And this is the main thing. There’s a Russian guy Ananiev, who doesn’t consider himself Russian and goes and fights for Ukraine, and then in Verona, wants to hit our TV presenter Sheinin, but he has the courage to just spit ... Do you think he is Russian?
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    Suvorov is already being recorded in the Armenians. Tomorrow Gagarin will be recorded somewhere.

                    Unlike Minin, with people of noble families, everything is somewhat simpler; their genealogy can be traced to the discharge books.
                    1. FenrirXnumx
                      FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 20: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: svp67
                      Do they generally mention his nationality? Profession - yes, position in society, yes, what I accomplished - and that’s all ...

                      So why is Tatar, since there is no mention? laughing Why not Mordvin, not Mari?
                      How can I say something if there is no data? Just because you feel like it?

                      B.M. Pudalov also stated in his work that “the media voiced - without any evidence - the version of K. Minin's non-Russian origin (“ baptized Tatar? ”). It cannot be accepted, as it contradicts the sources (...) about the deep Orthodox roots of the clan ”
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 12 March 2018 20: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Fenrir49
                        So why is Tatar, since there is no mention?
                        Then a counter question, but how much NO? Since there is no mention. Because you so want?
                      2. Hadastus
                        Hadastus 13 March 2018 07: 00
                        +2
                        Retrospective Question:
                        Where does the story of the Tatar origin of the militia Kuzma Minin or, in other words, the baptized Tatar Kirisha Minnibaev come from? Perhaps for the first time this was announced loudly by the magazine Ogonyok, which published in July 2002 (No. 30) a conversation with historian Vladimir Makhnach under the heading “There was nothing”. The sidebar contains the following words: “The Zemsky elder of Nizhny Novgorod, the baptized Tatar Kirisha Minibaev, aka Kuzma Minin, really did what he did. Yes, does not fit into the majestic picture of national unity. After the XNUMXth century, they stopped mentioning Minin’s tribal affiliation ... ” It is difficult to say on what this statement of the historian was based, since he does not provide additional references. And further. According to official figures, the father of Kuzma Minin was called Min, his grandfather was Ankudin, and his great-grandfather was Vlas. If desired, here you can read the Turkic roots. “Dictionary of Russian surnames” Kudashev derives the common Tatar surname from the name “Ankudin”. This story was continued in October this year, when one of the Muslim leaders of Nizhny Novgorod also expressed the opinion that “one of the heroes of the holiday - Kozma Minin was the baptized Tatar Kirisha Mininbaev.” Later, this idea was duplicated in the local press.

                        As you know, Kuzma Minin was a native of the small Volga city of Balakhna, now part of the Nizhny Novgorod region. According to some reports, no more than a thousand Tatars Mishars live in modern Balakhna, who arrived here mainly during the years of collectivization and industrialization, that is, in the 1920-1930s, from the Ulyanovsk Region. Supporters of the “Russian Kuzma Minin” refer to historian Boris Moiseyevich Pudalov, an employee of the Committee for Archives of the Nizhny Novgorod Region, who, having studied the documents of the XNUMXth century on the Balakhninsky district, came to the conclusion that “there were no Tatars in the Balakhninsky district in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. There were, accordingly, no baptized Tatars either. ”

                        Further, Azat Akhunov writes in detail about the city of Balakhna, which was the birthplace of Kuzma Minin, and comes to the conclusion that it has an ancient history and, most likely, was founded much earlier than is commonly believed by the Bulgars. This, among other things, is also indicated by the clearly eastern name of the city, which is translated by some historians as “a high, upper superstructure” or “upper city”. “Now all the trump cards are those who believe that Minin was an ethnic Russian. To prove otherwise, it is necessary to cite a number of irrefutable data, which, possibly, no longer exist in nature. One thing is clear - the homeland of Minin, the city of Balakhna, has an ancient history. Perhaps the history is Turkic, not Russian, ”he concludes.

                        If Minin’s father is really Mina Atkudinov, then at least he’s father in Tatar because Tatar’s first name and Atkudin’s surname are quite Tatar, because it’s strange that they would call that Russian, given domestic tatarophobia (“an uninvited guest is worse than Tatar”, “babayka” will come for you "and so on.)
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 March 2018 18: 41
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: andj61
          Finns, with the exception of the Orthodox, were not recruited into the army and civil service in the Russian Empire (not in the VKF).

          So to say more, the officers could have been of a different religion, but the rank-and-file and non-commissioned officers of the Russian army were purely ORTHODOX. They did not take others on this campaign. Left within the RI.
          And the ORTHODOX could be of any nationality, it didn’t concern anyone.
          We do not have questions for the Savior of Russia, citizen Minin, although he was Orthodox, but he is a Tatar.

          It is not.

          “Most of the Jewish soldiers were in the sixteenth and thirtieth infantry divisions, which were recruited in the Mogilev and Minsk provinces. One quarter there were Jews, and in some companies more than half. When they were sent to the front, there were a lot of angry and insulting jokes about this but after the very first battles, the officers of these divisions praised the Jewish soldiers. “According to the general opinion of the company commanders,” one of them wrote, “the Jews fought bravely and even desperately.” And the commander of the thirtieth division recalled after the war: “A Jewish soldier - more often total with Maine - usually concerned and preoccupied; but a Jewish warrior in the heat of battle is brave and incredibly decisive. This is not an automatic machine, not a machine acting on the command of an officer; on the contrary, with full awareness of the danger that threatens him, having forgotten the poor family and the helpless old parents, he, with exemplary determination and selflessness, throws himself first into the fire. Another indisputable hallmark is the Jewish warrior: this is his quick wit and enterprise in the most difficult moments. "
          A war correspondent of the time wrote: "I did a significant part of the campaign in the Balkans with the Skobelev detachment, and I never heard that the Jewish soldiers were inferior to the Russian soldiers in anything." At a fort near Shipka, a shell fell at the feet of the artilleryman Leibush Faygenbaum, but before it had time to burst, Faygenbaum, without being at a loss, threw it into a nearby moat and saved the gun and soldier. For this he received the St. George Cross, was marked by a special order in the army, and much was written about him in the newspapers. In the same war, Leybush Feigenbaum received two more George and died from a wound.
          And one more testimony of the company commander of the thirtieth division, so incredible that it is difficult to believe in him. Nevertheless, this is a fact. He said: “On December 24 of 1877 of the year, at dawn ... we climbed, barely breathing, to the top of an incredibly steep steep mountain. And then we suddenly found ourselves face to face with an enemy five times our strength. The enemy started a shootout, we must to retreat - but where? .. Look down the hill - your head is spinning: certain death! .. Suddenly there were a few voices: “Go ahead, Turk, go ahead! ..” Seven or eight Jewish soldiers rushed to the enemy, and grabbing at two, three Turks each, shouting “Fuck it!” rushed along the slope into the abyss. Their desperate call for other brave companies of the company inspected. The moans and screams of the fallen deafened the Turks so much that they fled. Having strengthened my position, I sent the orderlies to scout the fate of desperate fighters. Twenty-six of us died, nineteen of them Jewish soldiers, and sixty-seven Turks "Very few survived."
          It remains only to add that in Moscow, behind the building of the Polytechnic Museum, to this day you can see the monument-chapel, which the Russian grenadiers erected to their comrades who fell near Plevna. On the walls of the chapel are the names of the officers and soldiers who particularly distinguished themselves in the battles of 1877 of the year. There are also Jewish names there: Abram Klyakh, Samuel Brem, Naum Kolomets, Moshka Umansky, Isaak Rodzevich, Moses Masyuk. The Jewish deputy recalled them in the future, in the State Duma, advocating the abolition of the Pale of Settlement: “If all these people were resurrected,” he said, “to whom the nation erected a monument, then they would not have the right to come to Moscow and look at their monument".


          1. iouris
            iouris 14 March 2018 13: 25
            +1
            In fact, the Jews settled successfully the Pale of Settlement under a variety of pretexts, and the USSR, if you look closely at the members of the leadership of the Bolshevik state, especially including wives, can generally be considered a Jewish state.
            By the way, in the Russian and in the Soviet army, Jews were among the officers and among the generals. But they are all Russian and Soviet soldiers.
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 13 March 2018 16: 03
        0
        On active service, men who have reached the draft year of 1 years of age as of January 20, fit for military service due to health reasons, except for the foreign population of the Turkestan Governor General, Akmola, Amur, Arkhangelsk, Primorsky, Semipalatinsk, Turgai provinces and the North Caucasus, are called up for active service.

        The population of the Grand Duchy of Finland is called up and served under special laws.

        Cossacks and aliens assigned to the Kalmyk, Bashkir, and Kyrgyz horse troops are called up and undergo military service on the basis of the Cossack Code.

        The territory of the Russian Empire is divided into two categories of acquisition plots. The first category includes areas with a predominantly Orthodox population, the second - with a foreign one. When completing a military unit, it should have had at least 2/3 of the Orthodox composition. Each military unit is assigned a picking area (for military units that have their own name, as a rule, the corresponding name).
    3. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 33
      +4
      And what? In addition to the Russian army, the Romanian and Serbian and Montenegrin fought. Should they be mentioned separately or what?
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 12 March 2018 06: 32
    +10
    Oh, author.
    Do not for the sake of * world peace * to adapt to all sorts of different. Claims against the Bulgarians and Bulgaria, and there are many. The history of wars showed all the ingratitude of both the people and the state. Even the events that occurred recently cause bewilderment and questions. It turns out that the Bulgarians and the state of Bulgaria again betrayed by order of the owners.
    The conclusion is unpleasant. It turns out that the Bulgarians definitely need a master who necessarily orders and then they * moan and cry * but carry out any order, but if we negotiate with them on the basis of equality, then they cause bewilderment and non-obligation, and, as a result, rudeness?
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 35
      +4
      Ex, Vasily50, you blurted out nobly. Go, dear man, and familiarize yourself with the equipment, and then give advice to the author.
  4. KLV
    KLV 12 March 2018 06: 57
    +3
    This news is not one day. Everything is washed and chewed. And it would be nice for the author to check the text before publication, illiteracy does not decorate.
    1. Pravodel
      Pravodel 12 March 2018 07: 42
      +9
      Dear, about such things as betrayal of faith, betrayal of brothers, brotherly people we need to talk, scream constantly, hourly, every minute. Even if "This news is not one day. Everything is washed and chewed." The more we talk about this, the more we will remind of our mistakes and our mistakes regarding those whom we considered and consider our friends, brothers, the more guarantee that Russia will not repeat the mistakes that the Union made in its time, and already Russia made, believing in the Slavic brotherhood of our little brothers ... Friendship is friendly, and tobacco should be apart ... Russia must always understand and remember that the Slavic people and gentlemen from the Slavic people are not the same thing. And in order to remember and not forget about it, you need to "talk, scream constantly, hourly, every minute."
      To the question of literacy. Undoubtedly, literate, intelligible speech is always better than illiterate and meaningless speech. But if in a dispute “in essence”, instead of an argument / refutation, thesis / counter thesis, instead of proof, they resort to an assessment of the grammatical correctness of what was said, then this is a consequence of the absence of an objection and agreement with what has been said. With what I congratulate you.

      «People-State-Fatherland"- this is the slogan of every patriot of Russia. A strong state, a close-knit people, prospering for centuries, the Fatherland, which cannot be broken, not defeated by internal and external enemies.
      1. KLV
        KLV 12 March 2018 08: 48
        +2
        Colleague, you are right that "... if in a dispute" on the merits "instead of arguing / refutation, thesis / counter-thesis, instead of proving, they resort to assessing the grammatical correctness of what was said, then this is a consequence of the lack of objection and agreement with what was said." Indeed, I agree with the author.
        But the discussion of the events described has been going on for many days now. The author did not say anything new. Why his article on VO? To "... speak, scream constantly, hourly, every minute."? Sorry, but I’ve seen those talking and screaming and see a lot in my life, I prefer to deal with those who do business. And yes, I am a patriot of Russia, I have always believed in it and will believe.
      2. pytar
        pytar 15 March 2018 22: 22
        0
        ..on things like betrayal of faith, betrayal of brothers, brotherly people we need to say, scream constantly, hourly, every minute ...

        ... max out your voice! No. But from this your lie will not become true! negative
  5. Vard
    Vard 12 March 2018 07: 21
    +2
    From the last ... this is what they threw with South Stream ... and in general there is communication experience ... builders live in our city ... Hired to plaster the house ... disappeared after three days ... they were offered a better deal ... so not surprised ...
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 11
      +5
      Do Bulgarians plaster in Russia? We must see - this is the 8th wonder of the world.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 March 2018 07: 46
    +5
    Of course, it’s a shame when suddenly historical memory completely disappears for the sake of selfish interests. But the so-called "Brothers" is not the first time this is carried out. Today drooling looking west, and tomorrow, as he presses again, they will again ask for help from Russia. But will Russia do that?
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 40
      +4
      Hospadi, yes we are a army and we are not afraid. Stop scaring us with your rancor. Better remember that how you relate and will relate to you. The president offended you, did not thank or what? Or are you chewing that others mentioned that gave their lives for our freedom? So we are ALL grateful.
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        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 08: 20
          +5
          It is better to be thankful to those who helped than to be a boor from whom all relatives turned their backs.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 10: 28
            +2
            Are you some kindred? Descendants of nomads? Here Hungarians are your relatives, historically. Like all Turkic peoples ...
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 13: 25
              +4
              Well - they are kindred to us, but they did not turn away from us. But I look at Ukraine, in Belorussia and there are many people in the Russian Federation who do not favor you too much. Why is it all, again the Bulgarians are to blame, no?
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 13 March 2018 19: 56
                +1
                For Ukraine and Belarus, you need to keep silent. And in order not to write heresy, ask the members of the forum with Ukrainian and Belarusian flags, and not be guided by gay TV.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 22
                  +2
                  In Ukraine, right now, I read that the Russian language is banned, schools are closed and general de-Russification is going on. But there are no protests. Why should I listen to someone here when life shows that you are not welcome in Ukraine? In 2014, there was a bike that the Ukrainian militia would go to Kiev from the Russian border to several thousand people - where is it?
                  Tell me, when did Belarus support the Russian Federation in the last 20 years? And did it allow you to open an air force base? And then I listen to the forum users with flags.
        2. pytar
          pytar 15 March 2018 22: 32
          0
          It is in your spirit to kiss everyone in gizi for nishtyaki - from the Ottomans with Hitler to the European Union ...

          Eh stalkerwalkerif you knew the history of Russia / USSR, you would think to say such a thing! No. But this is in your spirit.
    2. pytar
      pytar 13 March 2018 21: 32
      0
      ... and tomorrow, as he presses again, they will again ask for help from Russia. But will Russia do that?

      It will do, it will ... It is for that certain circles in the Russian Federation arrange such provocations as this one! Indeed, for many years they have been inspiring you that Bulgarians are “traitors”! It is here and "sworn your friend" Erdogan acts! He has the role to create a threat to the Balkan peoples, so that later the ungrateful children ask, and Russia, “having forgiven the noble betrayal”, came to their aid! For something like this, now from the "Sultan" be friends and gargle on a decent plane shot down in Syria, then other ego whims!
  7. Snail N9
    Snail N9 12 March 2018 08: 00
    0
    Here is more details about the scandal: https://newizv.ru/news/politics/09-03-2018/bolgar
    skiy-skandal-vitse-premier-strany-zhyostko-otveti
    l-patriarhu-kirillu
    Here is a summary of Kirill (Gundyaev) http://perebezhchik.ru/person/patriarkh-kirill-vl
    adimir-mikhaylovich-gundyaev- /
    And this is about gossip and scandals accompanying his name and the Russian Orthodox Church: https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2012/02/14/4
    8244-za-chto-rabu-bozhiemu-kirillu-blagodarit-171
    -raba-na-galerah-187, https://ura.news/articles/1036269355, http: //fedpress.ru/article/1813720 ......
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 09: 12
      +9
      His Holiness Patriarch Kirill is one of those few people in modern Russia who is not afraid to talk about the Russian people and defend the historical memory of our people. It is not surprising that the pseudo-liberal and comprador press seeks to pour on it kilotons of dirt and slander.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 12 March 2018 13: 40
        +9
        His Holiness ...

        "Holy", yeah ... Holiness and splashes. In "holiness", in fact, a slightly different concept is put in, incompatible with the "bregett" for 30000 euros on the arm ....
        1. Height
          Height 12 March 2018 22: 52
          +2
          Is the toad smothering?
        2. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 13 March 2018 03: 24
          +2
          His Holiness is his position;)
  8. Gloomy
    Gloomy 12 March 2018 08: 05
    +8
    I never understood people drooling over the "Slavic brotherhood" with the southern Slavs - these are completely different nations, both at the genetic, cultural and mental levels.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 March 2018 08: 27
      +4
      Dostoevsky spoke well about the “Slavic brotherhood” at the time, by the way after the Civil War, there were a huge number of refugees from Soviet Russia in the countries of our southern brothers, the attitude towards their former allies (for whom blood was shed) was not very friendly.
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 12 March 2018 13: 18
        +5
        the attitude towards his former allies (for whom blood was shed) was not the most friendly
        .
        Since 1920, 3000 wounded soldiers of the army of the gene are being spent. Denikin, as well as wounded and sick civilians. 2 million and 400 000 BGN are allocated from the budget.
        By the Decree of the Ministerial Council on 14 on August 1923, a Commission for the Cost of Russian Children in Bulgaria was created as part of the MVNRI, which worked until 1932. For financing activities, 500 000 BGN is paid from the budget. every month.
        Since 1924, the Bulgarian state begins to allocate annually amounts from the state budget for costs and for Russian disabled people, poor and disabled adults, providing 400 000 BGN for XNUMX. month.
        Since the beginning of 1925, the total amount for expenses of Russian emigrants has been increasing to 12 224 000 BGN per year.
        In violation of the constitution of 18 on April 1924, Bulgarian deputies take an extraordinary measure - to give monthly pensions to veterans of the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878, in the amount of 1000 BGN. in month
        From December 1 to 1926, benefits increased by BGN 2000. month, and the opportunity is given in case of death to the widows of veterans to receive half the amount.
        In 1927, the National Assembly makes another gesture to veterans. For sound reasons, some of them leave to live temporarily and are being treated for a grain of salt and ask that the Bulgarian authorities pay pensions for a new residence, moreover, in the corresponding currency. This is valid until 1934. Countess Olga Tolstoy, Varvara Gurko, Aleksandar Mosolov, Count Leonid, Count Ignatiev, Pyotr Globa, gen. Anatoly Adamovich and others.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 12 March 2018 19: 29
          +1
          Bulgaria at that time was in international isolation, and it had to implement all the decisions of the League of Nations (the refugee commissariat), which was related to improving the situation of Russian refugees, thus trying to get out of isolation.
          By the end of the 20s, the situation of Russian emigrants was simply miserable.
          1. nedgen
            nedgen 12 March 2018 23: 30
            +3
            Well, such isolation that there was not even anyone to trade with laughing . There will always be someone like you who defames a good cause. Then Bulgaria was not in international isolation, as you say, AND UNDER THE SUPERVISION of the commission for compliance with the Versailles Treaty. THOSE. so that in Bulgaria there is no regular army, heavy artillery, tanks, aircraft and the like. This is somehow not like isolation. Moreover, Bulgaria is admitted to the League of Nations on December 16. 1920 year. And the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles continued (with regard to the army until the mid-30s.) And what Alatanas indicated above is true. But in relation to the miserable existence, this is the complete truth in relation to the Russian emigrants in ALL WESTERN EUROPE.
          2. pytar
            pytar 15 March 2018 23: 02
            0
            I have a friend whose grandfather is a Russian white emigrant. From his grandfather / let's call the ego Timothy / he learned how he was received in Bulgaria. When he came sent to one village. People miserably miserable there. The fact is that the last 2 year of WWI in Bulgaria was a very bad rekolta. The people were terribly starving. Hunger riots broke out. After the war, the situation did not improve, as defeated Bulgaria began to pay large reparations. People lived very poorly. The whole village gathered around the guest. Each invited Timothy to live in his ego house! But the "very prosperous" of the villagers said: "No! Timothy will come to live with me, as I would be better able to take care of him!" Okay, agreed and Timothy healed at this village. All the best was for Timothy. They gave him the best room. Accepted the ego as a native son! Every day, the villagers went and brought him who had what. Someone brought honey, some mushrooms, some chicken eggs or milk from a cow. Timothy was uncomfortable, as he saw what a difficult situation everyone was and also went to help the villagers. During that time he was filled with great respect for these simple People! Timothy decided to stay in Bulgaria. He married for a Bulgarian, built a house / all helped him in the construction /. He was given the land. He always loved Russia and passed this love on to his blue and grandchildren. And now the ego is a grandson and my friend now, from time to time, reads on Russian sites that you write about us. Reads and breathes in tightly: Lies and ignorance! God save Russia from ignorance! From ignorance, since those who lie know that they lie! But those who are ignorant, convinced of their innocence! Ignorance is much more harmful than a liar!
    2. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 41
      +4
      I never understood people wearing snowstorms, by the way, I also did not understand you.
  9. bober1982
    bober1982 12 March 2018 08: 10
    +5
    Curiously it turns out, an article is published that reports on ukronazi punishers who are ready to shoot Orthodox priests - angry comments begin against the Russian Orthodox Church itself.
    It turns out the current article is rather illiterate and clumsy, and again the same vicious comments begin, addressed to the Patriarch and the Church.
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 12 March 2018 09: 03
      +5
      The Russian Orthodox Catholic Church and the last legitimate ruler of Russia, Tsar-passion-bearer Nicholas II - are markers on which the Russian person can easily be distinguished from the Soviet one. If, in appearance, a Russian person begins to wrinkle as a devil from incense at the mere mention of one of these topics, if a person breaks down into dirty swearing and insults, then you are without any doubt homo soveticus.
      1. Wladwlad
        Wladwlad 12 March 2018 10: 11
        +6
        I would like at least once from one representative of the Russian Orthodox Church sect to get an answer to a simple question - does the Russian Orthodox Church have permission from God to do abominations in Holy Russia?
        1. Gloomy
          Gloomy 12 March 2018 10: 44
          0
          Holy Russia ceased to exist 101 years ago, since then its place has been occupied by the land of the atheists (literally). The Russian people betrayed God, and God left him. Betrayed including the church. Therefore, it was destroyed in 1937-1938. That is why a separate and big question is whether what was collected in its place is the Russian Orthodox catholic church, and also whether the Chekists in cassocks believe in God. Given the ostentatious love of money, I doubt it very much.
          People’s job is to turn Russian people away from the church, creating, as you put it, “abomination”.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 11: 01
            +8
            Quote: Cheerful
            That is why a separate and big question is whether what was collected in its place is the Russian Orthodox Catholic Church,

            Given the availability of apostolic succession among bishops and the conformity of the teachings of the modern Church to the teachings of both the pre-revolutionary Church and other Orthodox Churches, as well as the teachings of the Church Fathers, it certainly is.
            Quote: Cheerful
            also do Chekists in robes believe in God. Given the ostentatious love of money, I doubt it very much.

            No matter how much I meet modern Orthodox priests, I have not met a single “Chekist in a cassock”. And I did not see ostentatious love of money among them. One of the priests in a simple jacket and jeans with me on an old tram goes to the service. And in the sermons I did not hear anything about money, mainly about the love of others, about the need to live by the commandments and be more humane. And wealth is always spoken about in the context of ensuring that a person, becoming rich, does not forget about his neighbors, and does not stoop to alienation from people.
            1. Gloomy
              Gloomy 12 March 2018 11: 13
              0
              This is not about ordinary clergy (so many agents are physically impossible to prepare), but about the episcopate and above.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 11: 28
                +6
                I am personally guided by the basic principles of jurisprudence in this matter: "the suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court verdict" and "fatal doubts are interpreted in favor of the suspect."
                In other words, the facts of cooperation between the episcopate of the Russian Orthodox Church and modern GB are not proven. And with the KGB for the most part, too. But you cannot put theories and conjectures as the basis of the accusation, especially since the majority of bishops in the modern Russian Orthodox Church act extremely deliberately and reasonably. I recall the hype around Matilda, our diocesan metropolitan then issued an appeal to the clergy and laity, in which he drew attention to the artificial fanning of the hype around this film and called for an adequate attitude to what was happening, speaking out in defense of the historical truth with arguments in his hands, balanced and respectful . Separately, he urged not to think with his own head and not to succumb to provocations. Something not like the work of an "agent in a cassock."
                1. Gloomy
                  Gloomy 12 March 2018 13: 19
                  +1
                  I, in turn, am guided by formal logic: the Church as an organization was recreated with the assistance of the Soviet government from the ashes of great terror, which excludes any possibility of non-involvement in its restoration of the KGB, therefore, in a hypothetical situation, the overthrow of the Mafia-KGB regime would be very naive if lustration of legislative, executive and judicial authorities, to ignore the spiritual authority in the person of the Russian Orthodox Church. The whole body of the Russian people should be cured of Chekism, without any exceptions.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 13: 30
                    +6
                    Logic is a good thing, I do not argue. And to deny the likelihood of agents of influence on the part of GB is also naive. But even without an investigation that established the facts of cooperation, blaming the entire episcopate for undercover work is no less erroneous.
        2. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 11: 02
          +9
          It is blatant ignorance and rudeness to call the “local church” recognized by the entire Christian world as a “sect”.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 12 March 2018 11: 10
            +3
            Dear Lieutenant, ........Do not give shrines to dogs and do not throw beads ....., well and further in the text.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 11: 20
              +7
              Of course, you are right. But the honor of a Christian does not allow me to look indifferently at the insults to my Church and refrain from pointing out a person’s error. hi
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 12 March 2018 11: 26
                +3
                When they insult, it is very good, it pleases, so the Holy Fathers teach.
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                does not allow me to look indifferently at the insults to my Church

                Ugh on them.
          2. ML-334
            ML-334 12 March 2018 11: 48
            +2
            Mister Unhappy mortal sins-pride, envy, fornication, anger, gluttony, greedily
            despondency, how much did you break? Have you had a meeting with the devil and what does he look like?
            1. Gloomy
              Gloomy 12 March 2018 13: 23
              +4
              I am sinful, I repent, but I do not deny the Lord God, but I accept with all my heart, for He is the love and perfection of the world.
              Have you had a meeting with the devil and what does he look like?


              Somehow

              Or so.
              1. ML-334
                ML-334 12 March 2018 13: 29
                +2
                Forgive me, I don’t like me when my people scam, God in us, my grandmother said so. With the second one, in my opinion, you were wrong, that shaitan.
                1. Gloomy
                  Gloomy 12 March 2018 13: 54
                  +1
                  And you will forgive me if my words hurt you, even if I consider them to be a bitter truth: as far as I remember, RI subjects, upon reaching 12 years old, should have taken the oath of loyalty before God, which did not prevent them from breaking this oath, if not participating in February coup, then supporting or accepting it. It was then that the gates to Hell opened, from which, I am afraid, we have not yet got out. It is hard not to fall into mysticism, given the fact that the sections of society directly involved in the coup and most ardently accepting it were almost completely destroyed (aristocracy, industrialists, officers, intelligentsia). A simple peasant also got in such a way that you wouldn’t wish the enemy either (even if he didn’t directly participate in the February Revolution, he took advantage of the current situation to rob the remaining lordly property) - three waves of hunger, collectivization, great terror, the Great Patriotic War ... Yes, it hurts, but without pain, without repentance, there can be no purification, and without purification no forgiveness.
                  1. ML-334
                    ML-334 12 March 2018 14: 50
                    +1
                    We have preserved morality so that we will be the last in this World who deserves Hell.
                    1. faradien
                      faradien 13 March 2018 04: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: ML-334
                      We have preserved morality so that we will be the last in this World who deserves Hell.

                      And first, if we lose it !!!
        3. a housewife
          a housewife 12 March 2018 11: 20
          +3
          Who is it? From which sect? However, anyway. Abomination is your action now. And no one is allowed anywhere. He who creates will answer.
          1. ML-334
            ML-334 12 March 2018 12: 51
            +1
            Do not judge, but do not judge, will you be familiar?
            1. faradien
              faradien 13 March 2018 04: 47
              +1
              Calling abomination an abomination, and sin a sin, is not judgment! This is a denunciation of indecent action. And that which answers, each answer, so the Lord said
              1. ML-334
                ML-334 13 March 2018 13: 30
                +1
                An abomination is when you cannot suicide for 700 rubles, it’s a sin, but for 7000 rubles you can. People have all their life, indecent action otherwise they would live in Paradise.
                1. faradien
                  faradien 14 March 2018 00: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: ML-334
                  An abomination is when you cannot suicide for 700 rubles, a sin, but for 7000 rubles you can

                  Do not write nonsense if you do not know. For you, a priori, all priests are Mzdaimans and gluttones. Typical misconceptions of unbelievers. They themselves have nothing to do with the Church, but they will hear a lot of bullshit ...

                  Quote: ML-334
                  In humans, all life-indecent action would otherwise live in Paradise.

                  Why be surprised? What kind of people are such and such a life. Let everyone begin with himself and stop judging everyone around, then life will be a little better. And life is easy to blame, anyone is to blame, but not the person himself.
                  1. ML-334
                    ML-334 14 March 2018 05: 40
                    0
                    I don’t write what I don’t know and never refer to anyone, I asked, they answered me. In the church I’m probably more than you, unless of course you are a priest. I had a conversation with a woman who went into a sect after talking in church with someone from the attendants. She didn’t like the arrogance with which they talked to her. As for the unnecessary action, all questions to Adam and Eve. You didn’t notice that you have the tone as if you are the Lord and you know everything. Is this not Pride?
                    1. EwgenyZ
                      EwgenyZ 15 March 2018 00: 20
                      0
                      Quote: ML-334
                      I had a conversation with a woman who went into a sect after talking in a church with someone from the attendants.

                      Everyone has their own temptations ... Someone is coping. someone is not. Here it is written interestingly about the work in the temple: http: //www.matrony.ru/v-cerkov-na-rabotu/.
                    2. faradien
                      faradien 15 March 2018 21: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: ML-334
                      You have not noticed that you have a tone as if you are the Lord and you know everything. Is this not Pride?

                      One Lord is a witness! What you wrote before, it was somewhat strange to read it was similar from a church person, very similar to an unbeliever. I myself have been in the Church for over 20 years and God has given communion with spiritually-minded people. If you are a churchman, then you should know that they do not funeral a clear suicide for 7 billion, unless one of the priests will take a grave sin on his soul. But this is his personal affair, and not the Church, God is the judge. But if there are reasonable doubts that the person himself settled the accounts, then the local bishop considers individually. And the fact that there are different people in the Church has always been like this. For example, one of the 12 disciples of Christ turned out to be a traitor. It is not necessary to judge others and take offense at them. And look more at your sins. I apologize if it seemed harsh. God save you!
      2. FenrirXnumx
        FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 12: 23
        +5
        Quote: Cheerful
        if a person breaks down on dirty foul language and insults, then you are without a doubt homo soveticus.

        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...
  10. BAI
    BAI 12 March 2018 09: 22
    +2
    1.
    However, the President further said: “On the battlefields of the Russian-Turkish war of liberation, soldiers died - representatives of many nations: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins. For all of them, Bulgaria has become their last home, and we honor them as our heroes. ”

    The message is very clear - it was not Russia that liberated Bulgaria, but a united Europe. Bulgaria, as always, in its repertoire.
    2.
    He is known as the Cigarette Metropolitan of Russia. Since 1996, he has imported $ 14 billion in excise-free cigarettes. For $ 14 billion, this sly man brought in excise-free cigarettes and $ 4 billion for wine for the needs of the church. He has a private jet. His watch costs 30 thousand.

    Well, what is Simeonov wrong about? The Russian Orthodox Church had to think about who to choose in the patriarchs. Nevzorov put it even harder. Simeonov forgot his mistress with an apartment and repair and restoration of 19,7 million rubles.
    3.
    Agent Mikhailov
    For some reason, it seems to me that there were no others in the department of external church relations in the 70s.
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 12 March 2018 10: 54
      +1
      And now for everything that you have said, I would like to confirm it with facts!
      Nevzorov authority? This is .........
      Let us assume that it is true that he imported cigarettes and wine. Tell me where did the money go? I don’t go to church myself. And I don’t treat all clergymen very well, but there are people who need faith. and if there is no Russian Orthodox Church then there will be a harikrishna and other govinda! money can be used to strengthen the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church!
      Maybe Simeonov is right! but then for greater veracity it is necessary to tell about other churches. but somehow it’s not good.
    2. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 11: 03
      +10
      Liar and juggler Nevzorov, of course, is the "authority" in such matters ...
    3. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 45
      +4
      According to claim 1, it is not necessary to think over what is not said - it is written that for all the fallen, Bulgaria has become the last house - it means it has become. There is no place for stupid reasoning.
  11. prior
    prior 12 March 2018 09: 32
    +1
    It’s not worth anything to prove to the ungrateful little brothers, everything should come to them based on the price of gas from the Turkish pipe.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 46
      +3
      Or maybe fill up with Caliber and Dagger. No, it’s better with Iskanders or what you have presented there for the last time.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 March 2018 23: 42
        0
        Yes, you feel sorry for the rust bomb ... You yourself will die ...
      2. Hadastus
        Hadastus 13 March 2018 05: 50
        +1
        Or maybe when Erdogan or his successor in the politics of neo-Ottomanism decides to solve the Bulgarian border issue, then Russia may also ignore the sudden assurances of "little brothers" in love. There is no hope for the American host, it was shown by the Crimea and the Donbass, the Americans will not seriously fight for Eastern European puppets.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 08: 26
          +4
          Die or not die - this is our business. And so it is clear that you are on the drum. And then the crying of Yaroslavna begins - they did not mention, they do not like, ah and oh.
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          1. Operator
            Operator 13 March 2018 22: 02
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            Enchanted friend of Russia Erdogan, pounces on Bulgaria

            In the 1878 year, the Russian Army (not Polish, not Finnish, not Lithuanian, not Ukrainian, not Belarusian) liberated Bulgaria from the 400-year Turkish yoke.

            Forgive us, Bulgarians, for our mistake - we won’t be like that anymore.

            PS It’s time to call Bulgaria in Russian Bulgaria, in accordance with Bulgaria (the English language of the current hegemon) and join the Albanians with their NATO brothers laughing
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 28
              +2
              Having gone this way, make an offer to call the Russian Federation - Raska. I am sure stopudovo that some may not understand your humor and beat. I do not advise trying to portray what you are not.
            2. pytar
              pytar 14 March 2018 16: 36
              0
              In the 1878 year, the Russian Army (not Polish, not Finnish, not Lithuanian, not Ukrainian, not Belarusian) liberated Bulgaria from the 400-year Turkish yoke.

              The exact words of the Bulgarian President:
              "This is a memory of the fraternal impulse of Russian society, which proved that the Orthodox Bulgarians are not alone. We will not forget it. We will not forget the words from the manifesto of Emperor Alexander II, declaring war on the Ottoman Empire, that" this requires a sense of justice, and a feeling Our own dignity. "" The people themselves rose to war, led by the tsar, "Dostoevsky wrote in his diary," people read the manifesto and were baptized. "These scenes, these feelings are deep and unshakable by selfish political interpretations. On the battlefields of the Russian-Turkish liberation war, warriors of many nations died: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins. Bulgaria is the last home for all of them, and we honor them as our heroes. "
              Where did you see the President’s speech, mention of the Polno-Fino-Ukrainian, etc. army ???? belay Operator, are you crawling glasses? If you crawl, change the diopter, and if not, it's time for you to set! wink
      3. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 13 March 2018 20: 00
        0
        Finally - what do you mean? Start to be rude. How many were there that everyone thought that, here, the last Russians. Mine Kampfa re-read?
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 44
          +2
          Do I offend you? Well, well, read the posts of the former.
  12. unignm
    unignm 12 March 2018 09: 49
    +1
    ohhhh, in my memory the first article of this author without Chernukha and vsepolchalstvo .. from the heart!
  13. MoJloT
    MoJloT 12 March 2018 10: 03
    0
    Here the other day I talked with a Bulgarian, on my provocation that the Slavs were led by grandmothers, he said sincerely that he did not understand what and why the Bulgarian government was doing with the president, the people were living worse than the Russians.
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  15. Wladwlad
    Wladwlad 12 March 2018 10: 07
    +5
    The question arises - What the hell is our GlavPop generally trapped there?
    His business is to sit in his monastery and PRAY.
    Recently, the Russian Orthodox Church has been climbing into all the holes that do not concern it.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 March 2018 10: 19
      +4
      You are on the Radio Liberty contact, these all know, tell.
      1. Height
        Height 12 March 2018 23: 02
        0
        This is Ksenia Sobchak ....
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 13: 27
          +2
          Is she not Russian?
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 13 March 2018 20: 01
            +1
            No, she is not Russian, she is European.
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 45
              +1
              You will choose a European for the presidency - a set-off to you!
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 14 March 2018 01: 51
                +1
                We can choose only for the presidency of Bulgaria. Let Ksyusha-Dom-2 steers from you. You don’t care who’s dancing to its tune.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 14 March 2018 07: 04
                  +2
                  SW Nitochkin, in vain we gave you the Cyrillic alphabet, in vain. Go, dear man, and read in the primer how to spell Bulgaria. This is the country that gave you the opportunity to write not in “lines and cuts”, but in letters. Go enhance your spelling skills for the name of my country.
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 12 March 2018 10: 35
      +2
      And why did GlavPop go to America, did it meet with GlavPap? I would have bowed to myself in the Lavra and it will be. So, do you think it should be?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 12 March 2018 10: 54
        +1
        So after all, to Cuba dangled, as you put it, and not to America.
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 12 March 2018 13: 14
          +1
          I didn’t mean the USA, otherwise I would have written. I’ll correct: South America!
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 12 March 2018 13: 18
            0
            Quote: andrewkor
            Recover: South Americasu!

            ?????? !!!!!!!!
    3. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 12 March 2018 11: 05
      +10
      How did you start to be indignant when the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church took part in events dedicated to the memory of the fallen Russian soldiers and stood up from memory! Your reaction is indicative.
    4. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 12 March 2018 12: 03
      +8
      Wladwlad
      What the hell is our GlavPop ... Recently, the ROC has been climbing into all the holes that do not concern it
      There are few "liberals" on the site, and Satanists have trampled on. You forgot to ask why the Patriarch goes abroad and what issues he solves.
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  16. andrewkor
    andrewkor 12 March 2018 10: 31
    +1
    I got acquainted with the 30th commentary at this time and not a single Bulgarian, wait-c "little brothers"!
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 12 March 2018 10: 55
      0
      as they say "study new manuals"!
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 49
        +4
        Why do we need training manuals. And so it is clear which barrel organ twist. You have one and the same song for a long time.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 12 March 2018 11: 24
      +1
      I think normal Bulgarians are clear, understandable, ashamed. Then what to write? Silence is consent with our Patriarch.
    3. dzvero
      dzvero 12 March 2018 14: 01
      +10
      And what is there to comment on? Our president said "peoples", not "states" or "countries." No one denied the role of Russia and the Russian army. As for the vice-somebody-there, it entered the wrong steppe, to put it mildly; I don’t know how it will be in Russian - no one will do to you what you yourself will do.
      I will not say anything about the Church (ours). There are decent people, but there is frank censored. From rags to riches, but the mud remained ...
      1. Hadastus
        Hadastus 13 March 2018 06: 01
        +3
        And why did only EU customers and those who made the “European choice” fall into the category of “peoples” in a European way? Surprisingly, the peoples of the Russian Empire were not regularly mentioned who fought in the Russian army, but did not make the European choice - Tatars, Bashkirs, Cheremis, Mordvinians, Udmurts, etc.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 13 March 2018 10: 34
          +6
          You answered your own question smile Euro-censored-tolerance, well, it ... (I don’t even know what they’ll come up with about immigrants, so as not to be offended - dark green, sunburned ... there isn’t enough imagination.). If you knew that such a wave would rise, you probably would have included the text "Russians and other peoples of the Russian Empire."
          As for the vice premier - we have (and a very long time ago) people oriented towards western Europe and the United States. This is how it happened historically - in the 19th century West European capital penetrated here in large numbers and local "oligarchs" "clung" to them. For obvious reasons, there was no Russian financial expansion. Thus, it turned out that the “elite” turned out to be “tied” to Austria / Germany, and to a lesser extent to France and the World Bank (late 19th, early 20th century). And since it was administered by the state, it is very easy to explain the strangeness of the country's political orientation in this period, despite the mood of the people.
          And such as our vice, and your "ilita" is enough, unfortunately ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 10: 41
            +2
            Quote: dzvero
            And such as our vice, and your "ilita" is enough, unfortunately ...

            That's for sure! Enough ....
            And right now, this elite in Britain will be pinched by all the rules of British hospitality - whom to the morgue, and whom to the court "Prove that the money you put into our British banks is honestly earned!"
            lol
            1. dzvero
              dzvero 13 March 2018 10: 45
              +4
              If by all the rules of British hospitality - then immediately to the morgue, the judge said so smile Have a nice day!
          2. Hadastus
            Hadastus 13 March 2018 18: 13
            +1
            Thanks for the detailed answer. And what do you say about the mutual hatred of Serbs and Bulgarians? And among the Serbs and the Bulgarians, in the XNUMXth century, as a whole such pro-Western "ilites" won, like one course, to Europe, but there was no peace between the brothers.
            1. dzvero
              dzvero 14 March 2018 08: 51
              +2
              "Hate" eta arose after the liberation of Bulgaria. In 1885, the principality merged with Eastern Rumelia - a region that included the Thracian valley to the Black Sea coast and the part of the Rhodope governed by Turkey. In anticipation of the war, the bulk of the Bulgarian army was concentrated on the Turkish border. At that moment, the Serbian king decided that he could snatch a piece in the west and the Serbian troops struck from the back. In addition, Russian military advisers left Bulgaria (in order to avoid diplomatic complications for Russia) and our troops had a tough time, but managed to defeat the Serbs (war of captains against generals; the captain was then the highest rank in our army).
              Anti-Serb sentiment intensified after the Balkan wars. In the first war, our army bore the brunt of the Turks (border battle, the capture of Audrin, battles on the outskirts of Istanbul); Serbs and Greeks occupied Macedonia almost bloodlessly. The decision of the Russian emperor as an arbitrator to reconsider the division of the territory to the detriment of Bulgaria arrived in time. Then the second war happened, already between the former allies. With the outbreak of this war, the matter was dark - the generals referred to the order, the tsar to the last denied that he had given it ... The main thing is that the arba flew over bumps. History does not have a subjunctive mood, but if the fights were only with the Serbs and Greeks, then most likely ours would deal with them. But here Romanians and Turks sharply intervened and ours had to make peace with huge (in scale) losses. If the matter was limited to war ... but in the occupied territories the Serbs began uniform genocide and violent serbization of the Bulgarian population. Then a sharp surge of anti-Serb and anti-other sentiments began. It is no coincidence that it was then that the main thing appeared and became popular, the song about the allies-slaves ...
              Genocide and serbization continued after two world wars, and as a result, in the 90s, the Republic of Macedonia appeared on the world map, where the pro-Serbian and anti-Bulgarian sentiments were quite strong. But the current state of affairs is already from another opera.
              Today there seems to be no pronounced hatred, but there is justified suspicion - after all, you can’t trust someone who has stabbed from the back in hard times for you. You type 1, but you have 2 in mind. With such neighbors you have to be on the alert all the time. Of course, today there are no particular problems and charging claims, but sometimes individual alternatively gifted people occasionally give a kick (and so do ours). By the way, we are very reluctant to talk about genocide and serbization, despite documents and facts. Apparently, at the moment, this is not on the agenda.
              As for the Serbian "elite" of that period. The Serbs focused mainly on France as a counterweight to Austria-Hungary, and we had a stronger pro-German "faction". This played a leading role in the political orientation of both countries at the beginning of the 20th century. By the way, after the murder of the Austrian archduke in Sarajevo, the Serbs refused to assist the Austrians in the investigation, despite the French and Russian pressure. Of course, the WWII was predetermined and was waiting for the right occasion, but the Russian army had to enter into a fully deployed position. It turns out that the Serbian government then framed the Russian Empire with its intransigence.
              Of course, this is my vision of history and a clumsy attempt to somehow analyze, but as a view from one side, it can be useful to you when drawing up a more complete picture of the processes at our crossroads.
              1. Hadastus
                Hadastus 14 March 2018 18: 51
                +2
                Thank you for such a detailed answer. One gets the feeling that the Serbs of that period suffered from a certain complex, the essence of which was that they were supposed to unite / conquer the Slavs under their auspices.

                I just read the article. That independent Serbia behaved in a similar way to Serbia as part of Austria-Hungary, Serbia provoked Austria to war in order to cut off Austrian Serbia for this matter. And the problem for the Serbs was compounded by the fact that the Austrians before World War I wanted to make the Slavs the third equal part of the Federation, together with the Austrians and Hungarians. Developed Austria could offer more than poorer Serbia, and the Serbs felt that if Austrian Serbs get equal rights, then Serbia will never unite under the auspices of independent Serbia, and then the revenge and provocation of the Austrians to the war were especially hard on Serbs. One of these provocations is the assassination by Gavrilo of the principle of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Unfortunately for the world and the Serbs, this time the Austrians themselves decided to escalate to the end. And so the local conflict spilled over into World War II.
                1. dzvero
                  dzvero 14 March 2018 19: 21
                  0
                  You're right. Serbs, having gained independence in the first half of the 18th century, saw themselves as the center of the future Slavic state in the Balkans. Historically, they managed to realize most of their ambitions ... until the end of the 20th century, when all their "roommates" turned their backs on them.
                  The modern history of the Balkan Peninsula is still a tangle. Such an illustration of exotic mathematicians, where straight lines can simultaneously be parallel and perpendicular to any other line smile
                  1. Hadastus
                    Hadastus 15 March 2018 05: 43
                    +1
                    In general, I heard a saying, they say the Serbs are like the Russian Balkans, the same complex of great power and imperial snobbery, but only the Serbs do not have Russian power, hence all the troubles of the Serbs)
                    1. dzvero
                      dzvero 15 March 2018 08: 13
                      0
                      They said about us that the Bulgarians are the Prussians of the Balkans smile
  17. alatanas
    alatanas 12 March 2018 11: 12
    +9
    "A storm in a glass of water." All overexposed media in both countries. A "upstart" Simeonov, it would be better to recall his sins regarding the construction of the fence on the Turkish border and the residence of border guards in his hotels not for symbolic amounts.
    "pot calls the kettle black..."
  18. Overko
    Overko 12 March 2018 11: 40
    +3
    Quote: Cheerful
    The Russian Orthodox Catholic Church and the last legitimate ruler of Russia, Tsar-passion-bearer Nicholas II - are markers on which the Russian person can easily be distinguished from the Soviet one. If, in appearance, a Russian person begins to wrinkle as a devil from incense at the mere mention of one of these topics, if a person breaks down into dirty swearing and insults, then you are without any doubt homo soveticus.


    "The Tsar Passion-Bearer" killed so many people that they rightly called him Nikolai the Bloody. And the Bolsheviks did not call him that. You are so distorting the historical truth as this prime minister, only in the other direction. This is your "passionate" got what he deserved. And it’s not for you to judge who is “the right Russian,” and who is not.
    1. FenrirXnumx
      FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: Overko
      "Tsar Passion-Bearer" killed so many people that they rightly called him Nikolai the Bloody

      Who called that - your ideological teachers Bronstein and Apfelbaum with the Sverdlovs? If Nikolai was bloody, then you would have worn the ears of these authorities on a watch chain.
  19. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 12 March 2018 11: 55
    +12
    “On the battlefields of the Russo-Turkish liberation war, warriors died - representatives of many nations: Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins. For all of them, Bulgaria has become the last home, and we honor them as our heroes. ”

    There is nothing in this text that could doubt that the Russian Empire fought the Ottoman Empire, lost the war and, thanks to this victory, the Bulgarian state was recreated again. There is nothing that can be interpreted as the participation of another state in the war that Radev calls Russian-Turkish. The patriarch also said nothing wrong. Correctly drew attention to the fact that they all fought and died in the ranks of the Russian, and not the Finnish, Lithuanian or Ukrainian army. Everything could and would end on the child when Simeonov intervened. This “hero” a year or two ago attacked in front of the cameras an old woman of Turkish origin at the border, then publicly insulted the European MP Francesca Köhler, now he got the Russian patriarch and this is far from all. You can’t take offense at him - it’s a mentally ill person, he must be treated.
    1. iouris
      iouris 12 March 2018 12: 06
      +2
      Quote: Kostadinov
      You can’t take offense at him - it’s a mentally ill person, he must be treated.

      Well then, if Bulgaria is a democratic country, it is very mentally ill. This is not our problem.
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 52
        +3
        Then do not make us witness to your problems with understanding what is happening. See a doctor.
  20. iouris
    iouris 12 March 2018 12: 01
    +2
    No, dear author, the patriarch is right, and everything else is from the evil one and political correctness, so the figures given in the article do not argue anything. In such situations, you should put the "partners" in place or not have any business with them. Never ask for anything - they themselves will come and ask.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 53
      +4
      Indicate, dear, how to come to you. Squatting or crawling?
      1. Height
        Height 12 March 2018 23: 14
        +1
        By conscience.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 32
          +4
          We have no conscience. Here you are unlikely to find it.
          1. Height
            Height 12 March 2018 23: 52
            +1
            That's what I look, from modesty, personally, you will not die.
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 08: 39
              +3
              Poking at strangers at least demonstrates the complete absence of home education. Actually, I will die my death and not you to talk about this.
              1. Height
                Height 19 March 2018 21: 32
                0
                Look in the mirror.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 12 March 2018 23: 44
          +1
          So they exchanged a conscience under the Ottomans for circumcision ...
          1. Height
            Height 13 March 2018 00: 11
            +1
            stalkerwalker, he is not Bulgarian, others have cut him, and to this day they cut everyone who is not lazy.
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 13 March 2018 08: 49
              +5
              Do not stoop to discuss my humble personality. Something you don’t have in the manuals - let's go further on the points - did not recognize, did not repent, did not thank. What’s next - they always fought against you, the USSR, the internal affairs department, the north-western military district and the grandmother’s shed in Muhos collapsed .... ke. I look forward to the point when you start to threaten your farthing.
              1. Height
                Height 19 March 2018 22: 31
                0
                Why the hell should I threaten blue?
      2. iouris
        iouris 13 March 2018 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Mac Simka
        Indicate, dear, how to come to you.

        With a partner who does not respect himself, it is better not to have business at all, because he does not respect anyone.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 17: 00
          +3
          You can’t have a say. Remember for the future.
          1. Height
            Height 19 March 2018 19: 11
            0
            poppy-Simka, how can I talk to you like a fag?
  21. Des10
    Des10 12 March 2018 12: 21
    +4
    We know that the Russian Orthodox Church is the main importer of cigarettes without excise duty in Russia.
    - Yes? Good that you know. But I didn’t know.
    It turns out - the Bulgarian is right.
    1. Height
      Height 12 March 2018 23: 15
      0
      Oh, what a gullible you are. It's good to live with such ...
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 13: 29
        +4
        Oh, how kind you are. Dumb to live with such ....
        1. Height
          Height 19 March 2018 21: 34
          0
          Go dig the sea, sharovarnik.
  22. 1536
    1536 12 March 2018 12: 32
    +5
    In all respects, it was not necessary to go to this “Bulgaria”. Especially the representative of one of the Russian faiths. In Moscow there is a monument-chapel to the heroes of Plevna. It is located near the metro station Kitay Gorod (formerly Nogin Square). They put him on the 10 anniversary of the liberation of the Bulgarian people from the Turkish yoke. They wanted to put on the scene of the battle, but then, at the request of the Muscovites, they left him in Moscow. As they looked into the water. So it was necessary to celebrate this event here in Russia, in the capital, at a historical place - a monument to the heroes of Plevna.
    For reference: after the 1917 year, the chapel monument was actually destroyed by the Bolsheviks. It was transferred to the Russian Orthodox Church only in the 1992 year. Restored, he was again returned to the greatness that was laid in it. And this is the merit of the Russian Orthodox Church. She did not take money from the state, nor from the Bulgarians. Recovery came with God's help. This is about the "commercial" activities of church hierarchs. We can also remind our youth what happened at the tobacco stalls at the end of the 1980's - the beginning of the 1990's: wild lines, swearing, even reached massacre. The closure of tobacco factories, the creation of an artificial shortage of cigarettes was one of the last crimes of the so-called communists, who then settled in power in Russia. And then the Bulgarians could not help us either.
    Do not destroy monuments, chapels, temples, churches, do not destroy your state, do not put the villains and swindlers in power, and do not judge, let not you be judged! And the Bulgarian people, I think, we would have saved once again, God forbid, of course, that this would become a reality.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 22: 54
      +5
      And we have all the monuments safe and sound.
  23. Antor
    Antor 12 March 2018 12: 54
    0
    Brothers !!! ???? These are those who remember and honor those who gave them freedom !!! And this ruling clique is no better than those who, over and over again, push their people against us, it was like that in the 1st and 2nd world wars, and now in NATO they have been more and more plundered !!!
    As for the metropolitan, it’s us, anyone can be shut up, but our enemies, as we see, are not very much what they use !!!
  24. FenrirXnumx
    FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 13: 17
    +1
    We know that the Russian Orthodox Church is the main importer of cigarettes without excise duty in Russia. And the wine is brought in tanks, yes.

    I don’t know about that. Who knows - the union of rabbis of Russia?
  25. dobribozhilov
    dobribozhilov 12 March 2018 14: 17
    +12
    Sorry about the imperfect Russian, I'm from Bulgaria. Once I studied at a Russian school and have not used your language for a long time.

    In Bulgaria, around the 3rd of March, absolute duruchina happened. The patriarch was received very positively. Both - he and President Radev were applauded by the 100 thousandth crowd at the top of Shipka. At the very same moment, the Speaker of the Parliament from the Russophobic ruling coalition was ostracized by the same Bulgarians. The situation was super-Russophile to the same extent that local phobes went into lousy. They showed what was unsettled, they even started a subscription to the cancellations on March 3rd as a national holiday. 99% of the people laughed at them.
    The triumph of Russophilia is full.
    And exactly at the same moment, your Patriarch decided to make a note on the Pole and the Finns. In the first moment, all the Bulgarians applauded this, think the critic is against the Russophobic Prime Minister Boyko Borisov. This absurd practice from the Poles and Finns, and even about remembering “ukrov” instead of Russians was created by the previous president. Extreme fob from the party of Borisov.
    But in the elections, the people chose the Russophile President Radev and he returned the Russians in his speeches, lobbying for lifting the sanction on Russia.
    And so - the Patriarch criticized, the people applauded, thinking he was criticizing Borisov and fobov.
    At that very moment, a shocking blow came. They clarified from the Patriarchate that the attack was against ... President Radev! Against Russophile! On the same day, President Putin had a conversation with Borisov! With phobes! And legitimized the ego! And the Russian general Reshetnikov carried out a direct attack on the President!
    All this has turned the situation here to the crawl of phobes. No one understands why the Russians are attacking Radev? And why was this prime minister compromised by the Atomic Belene project (despite the 61% Za in the referendum) that South Stream stopped, why did he become Russia's favorite? And the venerable Radev became an enemy ...
    Now Radev is silent, and this is wise.
    Vice Prime Minister Simeonov is spoken, but not from an ego name. From just taking advantage of the situation to attack Russia and filov.
    I am one of these fils, and I feel very uncomfortable, I admit ...
    We need a clear reaction from Russia, which would reinforce Radev and the venerable friend of your country. 90% of the Bulgarians are Russophiles. But sometimes the absurdities of Russia itself create great dumbness ...
    1. Civilian
      Civilian 12 March 2018 15: 35
      +4
      Thanks for the information.
    2. Slon_on
      Slon_on 12 March 2018 20: 47
      +3
      Now everything is clear. thank
    3. iouris
      iouris 13 March 2018 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: dobribozhilov
      Need a clear reaction Rosiii,

      Bulgaria does not need a clear reaction from Russia - it is interference in internal affairs.
      Now, as for the Poles, Finns, Lithuanians ... Neither Poland, nor Finland, nor Lithuania, i.e. today's members of the EU, or the EU as a whole, are not related to the war, as a result of which Bulgaria freed itself from the "Turkish yoke", i.e. seceded from the Ottoman Empire.
      It is important to emphasize that the list of peoples whose representatives perished in Bulgaria is far from complete, because it does not include peoples who are still “Russians” or “Russians” today. Thus, your president intentionally took part in the “correction” of history, as the patriarch rightly pointed out to him. If in Bulgaria they believe that the Russian Federation is not the legal successor of Russia, then why did they invite the patriarch for business? But a joint business with Bulgaria is impossible today, because Bulgaria is a loyal member of NATO and the EU, organizations that consider Russia as their colony.
  26. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 12 March 2018 14: 26
    0
    Every louse dreams of becoming a cockroach! Especially when there are really no hands, no legs, and most importantly, no head! For some people who are tied up, either in politics or on the panel, this complex of lice is simply pathological!
  27. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 March 2018 15: 04
    +5
    Conflicting information. Romanians, Serbs, Montenegrins were our allies and indeed together our ancestors shed blood for the liberation of Bulgaria. And the patriarch’s remarks are a little out of place. ... Until today, I have not heard anything about Mr. Simeonov ... it seems like a political populist and provocateur ... My opinion is that Patriarch Kirill is too active in politics and education. In manner of speech, he begins to imitate the style of Western preachers.
    I live in Crimea, where during the war many local Bulgarians were heroes of the underground and died. In our area, the “Bulgarian” Bulgarians made quite real investments in vineyards. I personally observe, on the way to work, this bright technique, unusual landing systems. The Bulgarian community organized a high-level celebration on May 9th.
    I hope that the squabbles of Simeonov Patriarch Kirill will not affect the 1000-year-old ties of the two peoples.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 12 March 2018 15: 20
      +3
      The patriarch replied as a politician. Any normal person understands that the Finnish or Latvian regiments are a nominal concept, Russian people served there. And the Bulgarians ??? Wonderful people! I was here in Varna, at home! Only politics and politicians ... The disease of "tolerance" is contagious ... At the same time, speaking of rubbish about multinationality, the Bulgarian president himself singles out nationalities, which contradicts European tolerance.
  28. rruvim
    rruvim 12 March 2018 15: 06
    +6
    Now, if there is a lie, then this is from the "little brothers." Although Simeonov is not ethnic Bulgarian.
    I worked at customs for 14 years and I know perfectly well the whole situation around the MP of the Russian Orthodox Church from 1995 to 1997 regarding their stamps on declarations. And the article at the time in MK was a complete bluff! Only one Security Council revealed 15 unregistered and unregistered seals of the Department for External Church Relations. Everyone was fake. It was the Moscow Patriarchate that sent an official letter to the State Customs Committee to clarify the situation. Yes, the Russian Orthodox Church in these years was exempted from customs duties. But the statistics were such that 95% of alcohol and cigarettes were imported by the All-Russian Society of the Blind (VOS), the All-Russian Society of the Deaf (VOG), the Society of Afghan Veterans (approximately 50%) of this. The normal seal of the Russian Orthodox Church was seen and recorded only in trucks and wagons with building materials from Greece, mainly marble slabs. Yes, there were two wagons with cigarettes on the Kursk Commodity, but people suffered a well-deserved punishment by Church standards. Everything else was a "setup". Moreover, in the total State smuggling no more than 5%. So, discuss the “blind” and “deaf” and “Afghans”, although those “faces” that came to us at the “Post” were not like either one or the other.
    1. Hadastus
      Hadastus 13 March 2018 06: 07
      +1
      The Russian Orthodox Church must trade, engage in economic activity so that it can have a significant voice, because for some modest and not regular alms of the laity, such a large-scale structure simply cannot exist.
  29. Operator
    Operator 12 March 2018 15: 20
    +2
    In 1877, "Russians, Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins":
    - Russians, Romanians, Serbs and Montenegrins were;
    - Ukrainians and Belarusians did not exist;
    - Finns and Lithuanians were not called up for war;
    - Poles fought on the side of the enemy.

    Ingratitude is a hallmark of the Bulgarian character.
    1. Cap.Petko
      Cap.Petko 12 March 2018 16: 04
      +7
      About Ukrainian and Belarus is clear. But participation in Serbia, for example, was bad, they occupied Bulgarian lands, and this is a fact.
      I don’t know about the Poles, I don’t know about the Lithuanians either, but ethnic Finnish people participated, not a lot, about no more than 100 people, it was workers from the city of Tempera. One of them, after the end of the war, created his own commercial company, which has been developing for 140 years, and now it is one of the most popular Finnish brands, its name is "Pleven", in the Finnish name for the city of Pleven.
      The "wild" soldiers from the Caucasus participated; one city was roughly liberated precisely from such Muslim soldiers in the imperial army.
      My personal opinion is that this "scandal" is more interesting for the media.
      It would be better without this scandal, but so it got.
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        1. bober1982
          bober1982 12 March 2018 17: 59
          +1
          Apparently, it was the Life Guards Finnish Regiment.
          1. Cap.Petko
            Cap.Petko 13 March 2018 13: 39
            +2
            Yes, there are words about this regiment. It is clear that the Russians were there, but everyone eats a small amount of ethnic Finns. In the early 19th century, the Scottish entrepreneur James Finlayson founded his own company in the Finnish city of Tempera, and it was as if several Finnish workers from this company were volunteered in the war of 1877-1878.
            After the end of the war in the factory, James Finlayson opened the English pub, he was called "Pleven" by the name of the city where the workers participated in the battle.
            And a slightly different story: in 1882, the first electric bulb was put into the weight of Scandinavia in the Old Town.
            One of the children who participated in the war created his own company with the name "Pleven", and is now a successful Finnish brand.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 14: 33
              0
              Quote: Cap.Petko
              It is clear that the Russians were there, but everyone eats a small amount of ethnic Finns. In the beginning of the 19 century, the Scottish entrepreneur James Finlayson founded his own company in the Finnish city of Tempera, and it was as if several Finnish nationality workers from this company were volunteered in the 1877-1878 war.

              That's right!
              Nationals of the Principality of Finland were exempted from draft in the army of Russia. Finland had a "special" status, unlike, say, the Kingdom of Poland.
    2. pytar
      pytar 12 March 2018 17: 33
      +5
      - Russians, Romanians, Serbs and Montenegrins were

      As separate states with their own army.
      - Ukrainians and Belarusians did not exist;

      But now there are (and besides, they themselves believe that they were then). Their ancestors participated in this war. The gratitude of the President was directed to their great-grandchildren.
      Finns and Lithuanians were not called up for war;

      As for the Finns, you are wrong. In Bulgaria there are monuments to the Finnish wars from that time on to the Gornji and Dolni Dabnik region. It was there that the Finns fought their most severe battles from the Turks. In Finland, there is also a monument to the fallen Finnish soldiers, during the RTOV, and they are very proud that they brought the liberation of Bulgaria. I haven’t checked about Lithuanians yet.
      - Poles fought on the side of the enemy.

      Where??? Give info!
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 12 March 2018 19: 42
        0
        Quote: pytar
        But now there are

        And when they again cease to exist (this will happen), where to put the ancestors?
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 March 2018 10: 17
          +2
          And when they again cease to exist (this will happen), where to put the ancestors?

          When they cease to exist, then we will think. You are not Wang, and you cannot know! lol
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 13 March 2018 10: 25
            0
            Quote: pytar
            You are not Wang, and you cannot know!

            She was a witch, and therefore knew - demons helped.
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 11: 42
              +1
              Aren't you a witch? You don’t know anything. lol
      2. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 13: 50
        +2
        Look for the Cossack Alai by the Ottoman Empire. Everything is written there. Here is a summary of the most famous Russian served in the service of the Sultan

        http://karabai96.livejournal.com/88221.html
    3. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 05
      +5
      True, the Finns were not called up? And did not fight?

      During the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, the guard battalion also took part in the hostilities. On August 24, Finnish shooters set off from Helsingfors. On October 12, they participated in the assault on the position at Mountain Dubnyak, on October 20 Dolny Dubnyak took the battalion, and on November 10-11, they fought with the Turks for the Pravetskaya fortified position. From November 17 to 21, he participated in the occupation of the Vrachensky pass through the Balkans. On December 19, the battalion fought with the Turks at the village of Tashiksen. On December 21, battles at the Physician and on the Isker River followed, and already on December 23 the battalion entered, together with the rest of the Russian troops, in Sofia, liberated from the enemy. The last battle in this war, in which the battalion participated, took place on January 3, 1878 near Kadikia. The battalion commander, Colonel George Edward Ramsey, who was awarded the golden saber, later became the commander of the Semenovsky regiment. The war for the liberation of Christians was popular in Finland as well as throughout the Empire and the Finns have a song about the heroes of that war. The Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878 was the last war where the battalion fought.


      That is why it is necessary to remind you that not only you fought.
      1. Height
        Height 12 March 2018 23: 21
        0
        Remind your grandmother.
        If the Russians had not come, then you would not have seen Finns there, from the word at all.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 08: 57
          +5
          Right now, we have to thank you for sending the Finns on a camping trip.
          1. Height
            Height 19 March 2018 21: 35
            +1
            If you're d-u-r-a-k, then it's forever.
  30. Operator
    Operator 12 March 2018 17: 37
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Give info

    https://mywebs.su/blog/history/12687/
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 March 2018 19: 11
      +2
      Thank. Unfortunately, the article is unsigned and incomprehensible. I got interested in the topic and looked for a bolg. of the headers. Found the following article with prof. Stanislav Wiech. In it, the author admits that the topic has not been explored so far and tried to clarify the situation. In summary: the majority of the Polish society enthusiastically accepted this war and several tens of thousands of Poles were mobilized in the Russian army. They took part. The author mentions rumors about the participation of either 65 or hundreds of Poles on the side of the Turks, as unproven.
      http://www.sofia.msz.gov.pl/bg/bilateral_cooperat
      ion / history_bulgarian_polish_relations / participat
      ion_polish_soldiers
      According to another Polish author - Jan Grzegorzewski, on the side of the Russian army participated about 50-55 000 Polish soldiers, which makes the Polish contingent the biggest, after the Russians.
      http://rusofili.bg/%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE
      -%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0
      -%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B
      0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%
      BE% D0% BB% D1% 81% D0% BA /
      1. Height
        Height 12 March 2018 23: 42
        0
        pytar, You, as it were, are looking for excuses and want to convince you of something. What for? Who mobilized them?
        Probably always in the first place is the one who organizes. Not?
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 March 2018 00: 35
          +4
          Neither I nor the Bulgarian president deny what you say! Russia, Emperor Alexander II, all this was said by them! Media hype, sucked out with fingers. Moreover consciously! Read the words of Radev! There is absolutely nothing offensive in them! If you put one on top of the text of the President’s speech and the text of the accusations of Cyril, you will see that they do not agree! Strange, but on Russian television channels, they showed the statement of Cyril, but did not show the answer of Radev! And almost immediately, the Bulgarian-Phobic Sabbath was staged at Solovyov’s studio! Moreover, not a single Bulgarian was invited to the studio! A clear provocation! Do not get fooled by such!
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 13 March 2018 11: 05
            +4
            Because their Patriarch read out from a piece of paper what they wrote to him. And the program was prepared in advance. And here the sofa trolls spread the Sabbath from scratch.
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 March 2018 11: 49
              +3
              Custom provocation. Someone does not want Bulgaria and Russia to have a good relationship! Bearing in mind how closely Cyril is connected with the Kremlin and how pro-governmental the 1 channel immediately fluttered a program that was staggering in its Bulgarianophobia, we can draw some very unpleasant conclusions ... Radev invited President Putin to visit Bulgaria in 2017! Putin accepted! The visit was scheduled for the middle of 2018! Expectations are great! Something is wrong with this ... recourse
          2. Height
            Height 19 March 2018 19: 24
            0
            Brother, I'm sorry, but I had to go away. Neither I nor my friends consider ordinary Bulgarians enemies! Bulgarians are our brothers! You also do not succumb to provocations. Individuals such as Max Simka appear. This is an ordinary sucker! You, the Bulgarians, remember the good, and we remember you. The time will come and we will support you! Anyone who remembers good always needs help!
            1. pytar
              pytar 19 March 2018 21: 44
              0
              Ivan Ivanich are normal people. The fact is that we are tired of the Bulgarians all the otherworldly anti-Bulgarian fuss, which is conducted in Russian media and in forums. There is rarely a staty or theme that does not have a Bulgarianophobic character. Most komenty are extremely offensive, even boorish in nature. This not normal! Since Bulgaria and Russia have a connection with the depth of centuries, someone is trying very hard to instill hatred between us! Even at the household level. In Bulgaria, the Russophobic campaign was conducted for almost 20 years. She did not lead to any particular result. The Bulgarians, as they were, remain Russophilian-minded in their majority! With several years, the tactics of our common enemies have changed! They attack through the Russian-language info-resources of the Bulgarian people! Bulgaria is one of the three countries in the world outside the CIS, with a percentage of the population knowing the Russian language! Tens of thousands of Bulgarians visit these resources. Many of us are rightly indignant at lunges and give an answer! This is how the system of clashing peoples against one another works! The propaganda machine is directed against the closest peoples! Against the Brothers! Do not fall for these tricks! The enemy is waiting! Our common answer should be - Make friends and stick together! Whatever it is!
              1. Height
                Height 19 March 2018 22: 08
                0
                Such "Ivan Ivanovich - suckers ordinary" try to play off, and not only you and me. They also spew out their bile on Belarusian and Ukrainian sites. Their handwriting is known.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 20 March 2018 09: 49
                  0
                  Let's reduce the passions! Reproaching each other is not productive and leads to nowhere! I perceive the discussions not as a “battle” where you need to show who is better, but as a place where you can find out more! Get more information about the situation! So it will be more useful! I think so! hi
  31. nezvaniy_gost
    nezvaniy_gost 12 March 2018 18: 40
    +3
    Well, it’s clear that the Russians were mostly freed, because The main opponent of the Ottoman Empire was the Russian Empire.
    This is undeniable. Didn’t the Russians be honored as fraternal people? didn't mention them first? Wasn’t this event celebrated before the monument to the Russian Tsar?
    that the "ungrateful" Bulgarians erected monuments to the Lithuanian "forest brother" or the Ukrainian "Bandera" nearby. No.
    Now another question. Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins also participated or not? Now these are separate states, nations. Why can’t you put in a word for them.
    If so, how should their memory be honored? or not to mention, remove them nafig from history?
    Regarding the fact that the Bulgarians have something to the Russians, and the Russians have the right to teach the Bulgarians. What, every Bulgarian speaks Russian, - like we taught you to read and write, otherwise it would be an uneducated sheep. Be grateful forever and ever?
    In Russia, Cyril and Methodius are remembered, and for sure there is some gratitude, but don’t “suck” every Bulgarian for that!
    The liberation of Bulgaria meant the weakening of the Ottoman Empire, which was strategically important and necessary for another Russian empire. So build yourself Samaritans, as it is inappropriate
    But the Bulgarians are grateful anyway, but what for they talk in such a mentor tone. If this (liberation) was made from "Samaritan" motives, then the priests know exactly how the Samaritan is supposed to behave.
    By imposing your vision on others in this way, you are unlikely to become their friend. I have no doubt that a group of Russophobes from the Bulgarians arrived that day
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 March 2018 18: 50
      +3
      And who needs them, friends like the Bulgarians (eternal vassals), you need to stay away from them, live in peace as you want.
      There were no Ukrainians and Belarusians at the time of the Russian-Turkish war, these are your fantasies.
    2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
      Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 12 March 2018 21: 59
      +2
      So these "Russians," among others, would not have come and there would have been no Bulgaria today .. and Rumen would not have been! There would be a Turkish enclave and no questions! As for the personal nuances, then he’ll pick himself up, you can also find Ivanov there ...
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 12 March 2018 23: 07
        +4
        Wow, how scary we are. Right now I’m going to get a candle out.
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        2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira April 17 2018 10: 32
          +1
          Well, now you don’t have to take courage ... But before, under the Turks, we were engaged in self-circumcision with enthusiasm. So put a candle, do not anger God!
      2. alatanas
        alatanas 13 March 2018 12: 28
        +1
        Read in the explanatory dictionary - what is an "enclave" and then use by appointment
        1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira April 17 2018 10: 43
          +1
          Quote: alatanas
          Read in the explanatory dictionary - what is an "enclave" and then use by appointment

          It is correct to write in Russian .... according to the destination. If you do not like the "Turkish enclave", then "just Turkey" is more pleasant for you?
          1. alatanas
            alatanas April 17 2018 13: 39
            +1
            appointment
            it’s not clear whether this is lapsus mani, no more.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 00: 24
      +2
      Quote: nezvaniy_gost
      Now another question. Romanians, Finns, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians, Serbs and Montenegrins also participated or not? Now these are separate states, nations. Why can’t you put in a word for them.

      Your tolerance knows no bounds. It was a Russian-Turkish war. One of the next. The Russian Empire fought again, against the Ottoman Empire. Or, at the mention of the USSR Victory over Hitler Germany, do you intend to list the nationalities of all soldiers, officers and generals of the Red Army, at the same time including allies there?
      I look at the pearls of Yatsenyuk about the Ukrainians who liberated Auschwitz, do not give you rest ....
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 09: 06
        +3
        So this is what you listed in the victory parade. There is nothing to present the jambs to others.
    4. Hadastus
      Hadastus 13 March 2018 17: 49
      0
      So Cyrillic, Cyril and Methodius - this is not the merit of the Bulgarians. This is the merit of the Byzantines, they taught Russians to read and write, gave their culture, writing and ideology, and the Solun brothers, first of all, Byzantine missionaries.
      1. Operator
        Operator 13 March 2018 20: 25
        +2
        The brothers Cyril and Methodius are not Bulgarians, but Greeks - natives of the Greek city of Thessaloniki, whose grandfather Leo lived in Constantinople and was sent by exile to the out-of-town city by the Byzantine emperor.

        Brothers from birth were patronized by the treasurer of the emperor Theoktist - a friend of Leo. Brothers in their youth studied in Constantinople together with the son of the emperor, while the teachers were the greatest scientists of Byzantium. After the studies and death of their patron, the brothers carried out the emperor’s diplomatic missions, including in the years 861-862 they were delegated to the Khazar Khagan when he officially chose the religion for the Khazars in the form of a multi-month dispute between the Muslim imam, the Jewish rabbi and Christian priests Cyril and Methodius. The brothers lost the dispute - the kagan gave primacy to the Jewish rabbi.

        During this diplomatic mission, the Greeks Cyril and Methodius personally met the Western Slavs - the Rus, representatives of the Rurik tribe, who came to Novgorod from Porus (in the current Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation) in 861 at the invitation of local elders.

        In 862, the brothers were sent by the emperor to the second diplomatic mission in Moravia, whose prince expressed a desire to transfer from the church subordination of the pope to the power of the Patriarch of Constantinople. It was during this mission, at the request of the Moravian prince Rostislav, that they created the Slavic alphabet, a dictionary of the Slavic language and translated the Greek Gospel, Psalter and other church texts.

        The Slavic language was created by the brothers exclusively on the basis of the West Slavic language of the Rus tribe and the Central Slavic Moravian language. There was no “Bulgarian” language there for a simple reason: in 862, the heterogeneous population of Bulgaria spoke Surzhik — a wild mixture of Albanian, Slavic, and Turkic languages.

        After the creation of the standard Slavic alphabet, a dictionary of the Slavic language and translation from Greek church books, the Slavic alphabet, a dictionary of the Slavic language and Slavic church books began to be purposefully distributed throughout Eastern Europe by Byzantine priests as part of the foreign policy of the empire.

        So the Cyril-Methodius standard of the Slavic language of the sample of 862 and the “Bulgarian” language that existed before are two huge differences.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 21: 12
          0
          Quote: Operator
          So that the Cyrillo-Methodius standard of the Slavic language of the 862 model of the year and the “Bulgarian” language that existed before are two huge differences.

          Oh-oh-oh-th ... oh well .... wassat
          Do you believe? Yes, they are willing to argue with Svidomo on the topic "Who first dug up the Black Sea?"
          laughing
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 55
            +1
            Kiev - Mother of Russian cities. Because there with the Ukrainians (these are those with which one people) agree who dug and who wrote. As for earthwork, it’s better not to us. We were doing very different things.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 13 March 2018 21: 59
              +7
              Quote: Mac Simka
              We were doing very different things

              Exactly.
              Painted the sky.
              In pale blue yes
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 32
                +1
                I do not understand the varieties and colors of this substance. Though lettuce paint.
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 22: 01
              0
              Quote: Mac Simka
              Kiev - Mother of Russian cities.

              Novgorod is the father ...
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 13 March 2018 23: 33
                +2
                You know better as a connoisseur of the history of seafaring.
      2. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 13 March 2018 21: 51
        +2
        SW An expert on the creation of the Slavic alphabet, Cyril and Methodius created the GLAGOLITSA. The Cyrillic alphabet was created in Bulgaria by Bulgarian enlighteners. Know the materiel, pzhls.
        1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira April 17 2018 10: 45
          +1
          Bulgarian enlighteners did not know about the corrupt nature of their descendants .... did not know.
  32. FenrirXnumx
    FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 20: 58
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    svp67,
    Then a counter question, but how much NO? Since there is no mention. Because you so want?

    Maybe yes. But the likelihood of this is low, since the most numerous baptized population in Russia, strangely enough, were Russians. Baptized were few.
    In addition, I gave you a quote from a researcher of the genealogy of Minin.
    1. Hadastus
      Hadastus 13 March 2018 17: 54
      0
      On the contrary, there were many baptized, now 300 thousand baptized among Tatars. For the 5 million people, this is a large number. In addition, they can be reckoned among them, serving Tatar aristocrats who converted to Orthodoxy and became nobles of Russia.
  33. Dormidont
    Dormidont 12 March 2018 21: 27
    +1
    Is there really no decent person in all of Bulgaria who would fill up this Simeonov pig?
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 13 March 2018 12: 31
      +2
      So he himself, sooner or later, will fail. Just "Sheepskin is not worth the candle"!
  34. Wengr
    Wengr 12 March 2018 21: 28
    +1
    OUR patriarch? Whose is ours? I did not choose him, why is he "ours"?
    1. Height
      Height 24 March 2018 15: 14
      0
      I hardly spat out a sandwich in the monitor ... If you didn’t choose, then this is definitely not ours ?! Ahrenet!
  35. Mihail55
    Mihail55 12 March 2018 21: 36
    0
    At a high level (not from the laity), they finally told the womb about the authorities, once a country friendly to us. And right away a cry from those same ones ... who already out of habit licks ... their benefactors! We are also happy to disgrace the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, what a fellow Bulgarian! So his Gundyaev ... and we ... and we !! Not tired of counting in someone else's pocket? How much money we poured into these "friendly" when we were TOGETHER !!!! If only they had a conscience during the anniversary of THEIR liberation from the Ottoman yoke. NO! Now they have a new IGO .... when is the liberation?
    1. pytar
      pytar 13 March 2018 13: 24
      +3
      At a high level (not from the laity) ..

      High standard, was upon arrival! On departure, the level below went down.
      disgraced the head of the Russian Orthodox Church

      Disgraced himself "OH"! Amen!
      Not tired of counting in someone else's pocket?

      They didn’t count. Cited counts from rus-media.
      How much money we have poured into these "friendly" ...

      20 years how not to tumble! Richer than steel? Better to live? If so, then congratulations! We are always glad that the Russians are doing well! And if not, where do you dump your billions?
      If only they had a conscience during the anniversary ...

      You are terribly deceived about what happened. And those who deceive you have no conscience!
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      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 March 2018 23: 57
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        Quote: Mac Simka
        Maybe we gypsies

        No, not Gypsies ... Descendants of the Volga Bulgars who migrated from the Volga to the Danube. In essence, pagan nomads who converted to Christianity, forgot their language (unlike the Hungarians who came to Pannonia at about the same time), who converted to Orthodoxy, are considered Southern Slavs, who are never - as they were mentally nomads, and stayed. The Ottomans also contributed, adding their influence to the traditions and mentality of the pseudo-Slavs.
        1. Operator
          Operator 13 March 2018 00: 08
          0
          Bulgars are basically Hamites, direct relatives of North African Berbers and, accordingly, Greeks and Albanians.

          At the beginning of the 1st millennium AD a few Slavs - antes walked on them with a skating rink and completely reformatted them culturally and linguistically. At the end of the 1st millennium AD a few Türkic-speaking Bulgars of Khan Asparuh walked along the rink along them, but they themselves underwent complete assimilation.

          As a result of the so-called "Bulgarians" basically were rude (from the biblical word Ham) and remained.
          1. nedgen
            nedgen 13 March 2018 01: 19
            +5
            Well operator, you would have a Nobel history laughing Firstly, Bulgaria in today's territory since at least 681 years of our era and not since the end of the millennium. So the antes, in principle, could not walk on the so-called hamites (which no one had ever heard of laughing in the bible there are SEMITES to which Arabs and Jews are attributed, and at this time on the Balkan peninsula there were tracks of which belong to the Iranian Hesic group to which all Slavs belong) at the beginning of the 1st millennium. hi . As for the "Turkic-speaking" Bulgarian Kan (from the Iranian Kan and not Khan) Isper and not Asparuh as the Greeks called him, to put it mildly, the grandmother said in two laughing There are only two facts that say that the Bulgarians are Turkic - this is the name of the Bulgarian Kans and the military rank system. BUT the nameplate was created when the Bulgarian tribes were ruled by the Turkic haganate and it was the uprising of the Bulgarians under the leadership of Kan Kurt (according to the Greek transcription Kubrat) that destroyed the haganate and in its place (not territorial) came the great Bulgaria from the Caspian to the Danube and from the Caucasus to the Carpathians. And the Byzantines themselves talk about it. Great Bulgaria was created in 632 by the Kan Kurt (Kubrat). As for the few Asparuhov Bulgarians - if they were not numerous why then the Byzantine emperor sent 100 (one hundred thousand) soldiers against them ??? This means that at that time the Bulgarians were no less than a million (which at that time was a huge number) and only one third or a quarter of all Bulgarians. A part remained on the Volga and founded the Volga Bulgaria, which over time expanded from the Caspian Sea to the White Sea in the north. Another partly founded a state in northern Italy with Kan Alcek at the head, Uncle or brother (there are no documents on this topic) Asparuha founded another state in northern Greece and today's Macedonia, and Asparuh remained on the territory from the Dnieper to the Carpathians and founded his capital Pliska (Fully STONE that between, however, is somehow strange for the chergar) in today's northern Bulgaria. Kubrat himself, as well as Asparuh and the entire Kan clan of Dulo, were Orthodox and UTB proved by historians. But about the Iranian character of the Bulgarian evidence, the whole book will not be enough. hi
            1. Operator
              Operator 13 March 2018 08: 33
              0
              Study the Old Testament in the part of Shem and Ham.

              Immediately after the beginning of the glacier's retreat in Europe 15 thousand years ago, genetic hamites, inhabitants of the southern coast of the Mediterranean Sea, came to the Balkan Peninsula from Asia Minor. They were the first settlers of the Balkan Peninsula after the last glaciation.
              Over the next millennia, they were gradually diluted with Celts from the west, Northern Semites from the east, Aryans from the north, while maintaining the dominant main group of Hamites. They still form the basis of the Albanians, Greeks, Macedonians and Bulgarians.

              At the beginning of our era, Hamites in the territory of future Bulgaria were conquered by the Slavic (Aryan in genetic origin) tribe of Ants, who completely assimilated them linguistically and culturally, and then by the Turkic (Celtic in genetic origin) tribe of Bulgars, which, on the contrary, were assimilated by local residents because of its higher civilization level.
              In general, study the Bulgarian genotype (and your personal haplogroup in particular) and you will be happy.

              We believe and believe: 100 thousand, 1 million, 10 million Byzantines could not stop the valiant Khan Asparuh, who conquered Greece. The question is - where then did Byzantium go, the central part of which was the future Greece (probably turned into Bulgaria)? laughing
              The strength of the Asparuh horde was on the strength of several tens of thousands of people, including children, women and the elderly. Owing to its extreme smallness with respect to the local population, the horde practically assimilated with it, completely losing their Turkic language and nomadic culture.
          2. pytar
            pytar 13 March 2018 13: 34
            +2
            OperatorYou have contributed to historical pseudoscience! lol Moreover, with the rudeness characteristic of such "historians"! No.
        2. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 13 March 2018 09: 09
          +5
          We did not migrate anywhere from the Volga, since we did not even come close. Learn history and you will not look unaware of the matter about which you write.

          Good thing uv. nedgen enlightened you. I don’t have so much patience.
        3. pytar
          pytar 13 March 2018 13: 31
          +2
          These "pagan nomads" as soon as they moved south of the Danube, shielded the biggest city in Europe at that time! The capital Pliska is a stone-built city with an area of ​​23 sq. Km. 3 times more than Constantinople. In Pliska, in addition to stone palaces, there was a sewage system, as well as warm water.
    2. nedgen
      nedgen 12 March 2018 23: 59
      +4
      Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

      Bulgarians are the same gypsies who sold us before, they are selling us now ... And we are all "bros", but "bros"!
      That's it, they forgot .... Now they have a different "mother" and how much tithe-Bulgarian business she has! But they should not forget Shipka and Plevna, not in a Christian way! Today's time will fly by quickly and crawl with your head bowed since The West do not need them for nothing with their tomatoes and the "Fire Dance" at five rubles per bottle!

      Yes, how interesting it is to hear words about Bulgarians - gypsies from a person who, to put it mildly, NOT IN THE TOPIC. If you rummage at least a little bit in history, it turns out that if Bulgaria has thrown Russia over the past 140 years, then if I’m not mistaken, only 3 THREE times (if you count the entry into NATO where our compradors dragged Bulgaria without a referendum and even without demand) The first time if you count WWII, the second time because of an alliance with Hitler in WWII (and not the conduct of hostilities against the USSR). But if you count how many times Russia betrayed Bulgaria, then there are not enough fingers of both hands. Nevertheless, we are grateful to Russia and the Russians for their liberation from the Turks. But the fact that we gave you the alphabet and even the literature you can’t even hear the word. And not everyone in Russia and even Bulgaria knows that the Cyrillic alphabet was created not by Cyril and Methodius (They created a glagolitic - look for it and you will see the difference), but Clement of Ohrid. And there are even documents of that time (the life of Clement of Ohrid from the Greek bishop who in the direct text says that the CYRILICA was created by NAME OF CLIMENT OF OHRID). But we don’t poke our merits in the face of Russian spirituality and culture?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 00: 06
        +4
        Quote: nedgen
        But the fact that we gave you the alphabet and even the literature you can’t even hear the word.

        Ahhhhhh!
        And what, they could not give? laughing
        You, my friend, apply less to brandy ....
        Quote: nedgen
        But then we don’t poke our merits in the face of Russian spirituality and culture ?.

        From this place - in more detail. Especially about the culture. And about spirituality - apologize to Patriarch Cyril, cultural ....
        1. nedgen
          nedgen 13 March 2018 00: 41
          +5
          Of course you could now use the Greek alphabet. It turns out that even in the history of Russia you don’t really have a petrit. In what language do you think the first Russian prince was baptized? Is it really in Russian ??? Yes, hell with two. The service was conducted in Greek. And as for culture and spirituality, your academics speak of two SOUTH SLAVIC PERIODS of influence on Russian literature and culture. I give a hint in those days a literary school (I mean as a system and not as a school) was ONLY IN BULGARIA. (And the Slavs as a name appeared only at the end of the 18th century so that the South Slavic influence could not be THEN in principle laughing was a BULGARIAN CULTURAL INFLUENCE) And as for Patriarch Kiril, I probably respect him even more than most Russians, although if you think about it, he still blurted out a little out of topic. Yes, and our president, too. And here is the deputy. Premiere, he is an utter bastard.
          About brandy. Also not the topic. Probably about 20 years no longer drank a sip of alcohol a week. I don’t like beer and brandy at all.
          But I would advise you before giving advice (ESPECIALLY IN HISTORY) to read a little on the topic at least on the Internet.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 00: 56
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            Historian? Are you telling stories?
            Quote: nedgen
            I give a hint in those days a literary school (I mean as a system and not as a school) was ONLY IN BULGARIA.

            Are there literary historical monuments? Call me .....
            Quote: nedgen
            (And the Slavs as a name appeared only at the end of the 18 century, so the South Slavic influence could not be THEN, in principle, there was a BULGARIAN CULTURAL INFLUENCE

            For orphans and the wretched, I inform you - the first mention of the Slavs dates back to the 5th-6th centuries AD in Byzantine sources. More precisely - before the arrival of a huge camp of nomadic Bulgars from the Volga under the command Khan Asparuha.
            Quote: nedgen
            But I would advise you before giving advice (ESPECIALLY IN HISTORY) to read a little on the topic at least on the Internet.

            And what are you looking at the bitch in your brother’s eye, but you don’t feel the logs in your eye? 4 Or as you say to your brother: “give me, I will take out a bitch from your eye”, but, is there a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! first remove the log from your eye and then you will see how to remove the knot from the eye of your brother.
            Matthew, Chapter 7, verses 3-5
            1. nedgen
              nedgen 13 March 2018 01: 46
              +2
              Did I even once said that I am a historian?
              As for historical sources - look in your own literature. Until the 12th century, in Russia, unfortunately, they only engaged in verbatim rewriting of books received from Bulgaria for the fear of being accused of heresy (and this is not what I invented). In addition, as I already said, I am NOT A HISTORIAN and simply did not interest myself with the names of specific works, but in those days ALL LITERATURE was to one degree or another religious. To speak about booksellers as traders ...
              As for Byzantine sources, everything is a LITTLE LIKE. It speaks of the tribe of SLAVINS and not of the Slavs. Do you catch the difference? What about the camp, besides, the huge nomads, and you in that era of some other way to overcome land territories except for riding donkeys or oxen on horses, also know without roads? I didn’t hear something. And here is Isper’s “chergars” (Kana, by the way, because there are subtleties in reading old Greek texts of that period, although I’m not special), as soon as they settled in northern Bulgaria, they immediately laid the completely stone capital Pliska. And you can’t say in any way that the Bulgarians learned to build from the Byzantines (also, by the way, the concept from the 19th century. The Byzantines themselves called themselves Romans, which means the Rymeans and at first they were the Eastern Roman Empire and then became the Roman Empire after the fall of the Western one) since the construction style was absolutely different. The Byzantines built with bricks or if they built with stone they made two walls filling the middle with broken stone and something similar to concrete, but Pliska was built entirely with stone blocks without any filling with broken stone.
              As for the quotation from the gospel of Matthew, it would be nice for you to first yourself understand what you are quoting. hi
              1. Hadastus
                Hadastus 13 March 2018 06: 16
                0
                The Tale of the Temporary Years, the Word of Law and Grace, Russian Truth - these are independent works of ancient Russian literature and are not at all rewriting something Bulgarian there. In general, the Bulgarians did not have anything of large-scale rewriting. The fact that in Russia the Church Slavonic language was used, created on the basis of the dialect of Bulgarian Solun, does not mean borrowing Bulgarian literature (was it in commercial quantities then?), In Russia they understood that this is an instrument, and the root of knowledge and grace is Orthodox Byzantium, from where there was just a large-scale cultural and written borrowing.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 09: 13
                  +3
                  The very first books in Russia are inscriptions from Bulgarian sources. Otherwise, why draw in them, say, Tsar Boris I? Better study the history of Russia, better.
                  1. Hadastus
                    Hadastus 13 March 2018 17: 58
                    +1
                    In the Tale of Bygone Years, and much was written about Noah, Ham, Shem, and other Hebrews. Does this mean that Jews taught history in Russia?
                2. Cap.Petko
                  Cap.Petko 13 March 2018 14: 01
                  +2
                  These works are an example for what Patriarch Kiril said, and he said that the Russian culture (the culture of ancient Russia) is a result of our enlightening actions in the earth’s land. The Bulgarians were civilized by the inhabitants of ancient Rus, brought there their own Bulgarian alphabet, to which you write now.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 14: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Cap.Petko
                    The Bulgarians were civilized by the inhabitants of ancient Rus, brought there their own Bulgarian alphabet, to which you write now.

                    "Horses mixed in a bunch, people ..." laughing
                    Ancient Russia, with the adoption of Christianity (according to the Byzantine model), and receiving the first church books from Bulgaria and Greece, spoke in Old Slavic with a Bulgarian accent. A similar phenomenon took place in Poland, when the Poles adopted Christianity in Latin style. As a result, the ancient Slavs from the Dnieper to the Oder, and from the Baltic to the Adriatic, began to understand each other worse and worse ... And the Poles still have to designate hissing sounds with the four letters of the Latin alphabet. lol
                    As for the so-called cultural heritage, allegedly brought by "Bulgarian civilization" to Ancient Russia, its influence was absolutely negligible. Not a single literary monument, which was adopted in Russia as pan-Slavic, was not created in Bulgaria! Moreover. The Byzantine Empire, patron of the Bulgarian kingdom, was defeated in the struggle against the Ottoman Empire. And Bulgaria has lost its sovereignty for centuries, having lost the status of at least some independent state. And only as a result of the liberation campaign of the Russian army, Bulgaria again became independent.
                    Summary.
                    We are connected by a single Orthodox faith and Cyrillic.
                    And finally. The best times Bulgaria has lived as a country are
                    this is the Bulgarian People’s Republic, no matter how disgusting you are ...
                    1. Cap.Petko
                      Cap.Petko 13 March 2018 15: 11
                      +2
                      What children are very strange words, they wrote - "she spoke in the Old Slavic language with a Bulgarian accent", such a language did not exist, there is not a single written source about it, except for fantasy.
                      In Ancient Russia, the civilized written language is the Bulgarian language that I brought there from books. There is nothing else, and never was.

                      All that was created in Ancient Russia is based on our alphabet, and on the basis of our civilization.
                      There is nothing else, and never existed.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 15: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        In Ancient Russia, the civilized written language is the Bulgarian language that I brought there from books. There is nothing else, and never was.

                        I ask again: "Have you dug up the Black Sea, or are your true little brothers - Svidomo Sumerians from Banderostan?
                        laughing
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 15: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        All that was created in Ancient Russia is based on our alphabet, and on the basis of our civilization.

                        eSSO one "creator", how did you get tired of the diggers of the black sea and the builders of the pyramids
                      3. Hadastus
                        Hadastus 13 March 2018 18: 07
                        0
                        Yes, what is your civilization? It brings you, the right word. Cyrillic Methodius is a traced Byzantine unzial based on Bulgarian pronunciation. Cyrillic is tracing in Old Bulgarian Greek, Byzantine script. This is an instrument, if Cyril came to Russia, then the Old Russian language would be traced and the Cyrillic alphabet was based on Old Russian. It’s just that the Bulgarians were closer, therefore the native alphabet for the Slavs for the perception of Byzantine Orthodoxy was made on the basis of the Old Bulgarian dialect. But. The basis of this alphabet is actually Greek, Byzantine! And it was from Byzantium that Bulgaria, that Rus scooped writing, knowledge of culture. Bulgaria was not a teacher for Russia; Bulgaria, like Russia, was a student of Byzantium.
                      4. Operator
                        Operator 13 March 2018 19: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        In Ancient Russia, the civilized written language is a Bulgarian language

                        Exactly what the "language" is laughing

                        The Balkan hamites were twisted into a ram’s horn and forced to speak Slavic in the XNUMXth century AD by the Antes, who invaded the Byzantine empire because of the Danube and completely subjugated the territory of future Bulgaria.

                        It was the Ants who made Slavic speak of all the local Hamites, whose mother tongue had previously been one of the Berber dialects (aka Albanian).

                        So it's time for you to stop distorting our Slavic language and boldly switch to your ber-ber-bersky laughing
                      5. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 02: 13
                        0
                        they were dumb ... and blind
                3. nedgen
                  nedgen 14 March 2018 01: 38
                  0
                  The very concept of "Church Slavonic was invented in Russia, and even in the 19th or the 20th century.
                4. pytar
                  pytar 14 March 2018 09: 55
                  0
                  Yes, what is your civilization? It brings you, the right word. Cyrillic Methodius is a traced Byzantine unzial based on Bulgarian pronunciation. Cyrillic is tracing in Old Bulgarian Greek, Byzantine script.

                  What are you actually talking about? What is Cyrillic Methodius? belay Cyril and Methodius create the Gragolitsa, not Cyrillic! Are you making a difference? Yes, look and compare!


                  Cyrillic created in Bulgaria to the disciples of Cyril and Methodius and named so in their honor! What are we writing here? Not on the glagolitic same! We write in Cyrillic! No one has written on a glagolit for a long time! Only in Croatia it was written before the 18 century.
                  1. Hadastus
                    Hadastus 15 March 2018 05: 52
                    +1
                    Emnip, this is one of the interpretations. But even if, it again says that the Cyrillic alphabet is primarily a Greek / Byzantine project, for the baptism of Slavic natives. The Bulgarians were just lucky, they are closer to the Byzantines, so the Bulgarian dialect was taken as a basis. If Russia would have been on the Danube, and this by the way could have been if Svyatoslav had not died, but completed the conquests and transferred the capital of Russia to the Danube, then the Church Slavonic language / Cyrillic would be based on the Russian dialect.

                    The Glagolitic / Cyrillic alphabet is primarily instruments, Byzantine instruments for the baptism of Slavic natives according to the orthodox Byzantine model, to the peak of the expanding influence of Catholic Rome. And therefore, Bulgaria and Russia are students of Byzantium. Both Bulgaria and Russia were guided by Byzantium, as a cultural, Orthodox superpower.
                    1. alatanas
                      alatanas 26 March 2018 16: 00
                      +1
                      Take a little book, if not laziness:
                      http://inslav.ru/publication/litavrin-g-g-vizanti
                      ya-bolgariya-drevnyaya-rus-ix-nachalo-xii-v-spb-2
                      000
                      1. Hadastus
                        Hadastus 27 March 2018 14: 18
                        0
                        Broken Link
                    2. Cap.Petko
                      Cap.Petko 29 March 2018 10: 16
                      0
                      Cyrillic is purely our Bulgarian business, because it was compiled in our country thanks to the efforts of our rulers Boris I, and Simeon the Great. Church Slavonic language is for sure the Bulgarian language is for sure.
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 09: 35
                +4
                Quote: nedgen
                Until the 12 century, in Russia, unfortunately, they were only engaged in verbatim rewriting of books received from Bulgaria for the fear of being accused of heresy (and this is not what I invented)

                Rewrote church books. As, however, and greek And they copied until the XVI century.
                Learn materiel .... wassat
                ...
                Quote: nedgen
                And in no way can we say that the Bulgarians learned to build from the Byzantines

                Ahhhhh ... So you dug up the Black Sea? And svidomye claim that they are older and smarter ....
                The Byzantine Empire used the Bulgarian kingdom as a defense against raids from barbarian tribes. And not only the Bulgarians.
                In order to get nomads from horses and cabins, you only need to agree with the leader of these nomads, give out an interest-free loan, take part in a common faith with the Empire, and give the alphabet ......
                What haven't I mentioned yet?
                laughing
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 11: 02
                  +4
                  They did not mention that you have a bad knowledge of history. That's all.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 11: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Mac Simka
                    That's all.

                    Well .... If you, like Svidomo, have their own exceptional story .... lol
                    Sorry..... crying
                    1. alatanas
                      alatanas 13 March 2018 13: 57
                      0
                      Come on, we’ll manage without your sympathy somehow. Read at least ak. Dmitry Likhachev. And do not write rubbish.
                    2. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 13 March 2018 17: 06
                      +2
                      No, we have our own story, not an exclusive one. That you have the homeland of an elephant and lacking analogues, something there. By the way, Fomenko is Russian, right?
                      1. Pingo
                        Pingo 14 March 2018 23: 13
                        +1
                        Another mammoth detective best friend.
            2. Cap.Petko
              Cap.Petko 13 March 2018 13: 54
              +1
              Your words "For the poor and miserable I inform you - the first mention of the Slavs dates back to the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries of our era in Byzantine sources" as an example, you don’t know history at all !!!
              Come on, they’re out of hand, but not in translation, but just like in Greek.
              Because the word "Slavs" UTB has a meaning on rob.
              In short, “pan-Slavism” was open from Croatians, then it was accepted by Serbia, and then (and this is not a bad thing, everything is so necessary for every expansion) it was accepted in the Republic of Ingushetia.
              In general, there is no one who speaks of Slavs, but eats a lot of talk of slaves from eastern Europe. Slavs as a bail people will be opened in the age of Catherine the Great.
              In the Middle Ages, no "Slavs" existed.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 15: 04
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                Because the word "Slavs" UTB has a meaning on rob.

                Yeah ... And Bulgaria comes from BT, Bulgartabak ....
                Finally ...
                I don’t feed trolls anymore ....
                1. Cap.Petko
                  Cap.Petko 13 March 2018 15: 18
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                  Wanted or not wanted by you, but no Slavs existed. This is a late concoction.
                  In the Middle Ages the word that some people want to see as "Slavs" is only the word "rob".
                  So nothing more to say.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 15: 27
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                    Quote: Cap.Petko
                    This is a late concoction.

                    Late invention - reckoning of the Bulgarians as the so-called "Southern Slavs" ... wassat Romanians are more likely to be called Slavs than the descendants of the nomads of the Bulgars, Ugrians, Pechenegs, Burtases, Polovtsy, etc.
                    hi
                    1. Cap.Petko
                      Cap.Petko 13 March 2018 15: 34
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                      What Slavic honey agarics you fantasize when you understand the main thing that no Slavs existed until the 18th century. About the fact that we come from the tribe who was billed to the Hunsky Sayuz, what is your problem? With children, you humiliate yourself because the nomads civilized Ancient Russia.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 15: 40
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                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        What Slavic honey agarics you fantasize when you understand the main thing that no Slavs existed before 18 centuries.

                        drinks Come on ... laughing
                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        nomads civilized Ancient Russia.

                        I, naive, thought that the Tokma in Banderostan History is being rewritten ...
                        Wander guys ... Wander .....
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 16: 17
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                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        because the nomads civilized Ancient Russia.

                        "civilizers" do not go to us, otherwise you get so hard that after we come to organize a public catering (for the Geyropeytsev - fast food) in your capital
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 17: 35
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                        Quote: Cap.Petko
                        when you understand the main thing that no Slavs existed until the 18th century

                        fool
                    2. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 13 March 2018 17: 12
                      +3
                      By the way, the Bulgarian nation has formed from the heirs of more than 50 tribes and peoples. And the Slavs, too, so we don’t have to turn us the German barrel organ about the Turkic occurrence. 70 years late.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 March 2018 18: 37
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                        Quote: Mac Simka
                        By the way, the Bulgarian nation has formed from the heirs of more than 50 tribes and peoples.

                        does this justify betrayal?
                    3. Operator
                      Operator 13 March 2018 21: 50
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                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Romanians are more likely to be called Slavs

                      Romanians in flight - after the Roman emperor Trajan in 106 carried out the total genocide of local Dacian hamites, the deserted territory of the former Dacia - the future Romania was settled by Roman colonists from the resettled central regions of the Apennine Peninsula.

                      It was the Roman colonists who called their new homeland Romagna (from Roma - Rome) and began to speak the local dialect of the Latin language.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 13 March 2018 21: 59
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                        Quote: Operator
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Romanians are more likely to be called Slavs
                        Romanians in flight - after the Roman emperor Trajan in 106 carried out the total genocide of local Dacian hamites, the deserted territory of the former Dacia - the future Romania was settled by Roman colonists from the resettled central regions of the Apennine Peninsula.

                        1. Since the main contingent of the colonists were army veterans, the remnants of the local population could provide assistance with economic work.
                        2. Klyuchevsky called the southwestern slopes of the Carpathians the "tribal nest" of the Slavs. Those. - there are chances .... wassat
                2. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 13 March 2018 17: 07
                  +3
                  For that, the troll should be admittedly acknowledged.
              2. Hadastus
                Hadastus 15 March 2018 05: 38
                +1
                Sources, please - Publius Cornelius Tacitus, labor "Germany" - the end of the XNUMXst century. AD, the first years of the reign of Emperor Ulpius Trajan. So Tacitus describes the Wends who live behind the Sveb, i.e. Germans, and before the Fenns, i.e. Finnish-speaking peoples, i.e. somewhere between the rivers Elba-Wisla / Neman, just where the early Slavs lived.

                And moreover, among Finnish-speaking peoples, the name of Russians is still derived from the word Veneto - “Vienna” (in Estonian), “Venelaine”, “Venaya” (in Finnish).
  37. russia2016
    russia2016 13 March 2018 11: 45
    +1
    Anyway, Russia does not really understand that Bulgaria is not an ally to her, study history, otherwise everything will have to be stepped on the same rake again
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 13 March 2018 17: 10
      +3
      And who is your ally?
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 14 March 2018 00: 58