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Media citing a source in the BTA: The cause of the crash of An-26 in Syria has become known

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The media have appeared statements about the alleged version of the crash of the An-26 in Syria, according to which the plane did not fly about 500 meters to the airfield due to technical problems. Newspaper Kommersant citing a source in the military transport aviation The Russian Federation writes that “damaged flaps” became the cause of the crash.


According to these statements, when flaps were released, one was actually torn out, which resulted in a sharp roll of the aircraft. On landing An-26, in which a 39 man flew from the Kweiris airbase to Khmeimim, turned at a significant angle. It is stated that an unexpected roll during the landing did not allow the transport aircraft crew to take urgent measures to save the car and people. As a result, the plane began to dive from a height of "a few hundred meters."

From the material:
The plane suddenly pecked into the ground.


Media citing a source in the BTA: The cause of the crash of An-26 in Syria has become known


What exactly was the cause of damage to the flaps, not reported. Nor is it reported whether An-26 underwent a proper pre-flight inspection.

Recall that earlier the Russian Ministry of Defense immediately dismissed the version of the attack on the plane from the ground and the impact of weather conditions. Militants of one of the terrorist groups have declared their involvement in the crash of An-26, however, experts consider such statements to be fake, as usually terrorists immediately post videos of shelling. In this case, neither photos nor video frames with a crash have been published.
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  1. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 March 2018 13: 10
    +18
    Figs, we now find out the truth, maybe later unofficially ... Earth rest in peace to the dead. I hope the state will tell the truth, and if it does not, then it means it was necessary .. Or maybe the tragic coincidence of accidents and malfunctions with the weather to the heap ... maybe.
    1. Safevi
      Safevi 10 March 2018 13: 23
      +2
      on the u-tube like the video was like this
      1. urman
        urman 10 March 2018 15: 04
        +8
        Recently, journalistic cliches that have no analogues are a unique method of growing pilots.
        I remember in childhood I read that amer pilots in Vietnam sat down like that, they had it, it was called, in my Vietnamese sunset.
        Why is everything asked to ascribe only to our pilots, in my opinion it only humiliates them.
        Combat work, which unfortunately can not be avoided.
        And zhirnalyuga recently work on the principle of the more words the better
        1. figwam
          figwam 10 March 2018 15: 46
          +4
          urman

          For the first time, Americans used the Vietnamese approach for themselves, we first used the Afghan approach for ourselves, everything is logical.
          1. urman
            urman 10 March 2018 16: 54
            +2
            It’s logical, it’s logical, but as it sounds, the barrel is a unique figure of Russian pilots.
            Why, if it was done before us?
            We have a lot of our unique and inimitable tricks, cobra, chakra, bell.
            And so these commentators (they are far from journalists) only dishonor ours, we don’t attach ourselves to a stranger, well, we were not the first to use this useful thing, which does not detract from the merits of our pilots.
            These commerce works on the principle of a shallow emele your week, just something to blur.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 10 March 2018 18: 37
              +1
              when flaps were released, one was actually torn out

              That is, they sawed up the cable or cut the hydraulics. While flying - everything is fine, with a heavy load it burst.
              Perhaps, of course, that sympathizing with the terrorists. But rather, a CIA agent, you also need to know how to cheat technical control. Yes, and to know when a large group will fly on this plane
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 11 March 2018 13: 20
                +1
                Quote: Shurik70
                when flaps were released, one was actually torn out
                That is, they sawed up the cable or cut the hydraulics. While flying - everything is fine, with a heavy load it burst.
                Perhaps, of course, that sympathizing with the terrorists. But rather, a CIA agent, you also need to know how to cheat technical control. Yes, and to know when a large group will fly on this plane

                In the story with the carcass, among other things, there was infa that the American satellite allegedly spotted that a right flap had come off at the carcass on takeoff, which blew its tail and caused an explosion and fire. Indeed, in the news they showed a fan from the engine flattened with twisted blades.
                I hope that the specialists will figure out what is there with the flaps and how. There was koment about the carcass and about the flaps, but colleagues laughed at it, since it was too fantastic a guess as it could have been made at a guarded military side parking lot.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 10 March 2018 18: 44
              +4
              Quote: urman
              It’s logical, it’s logical, but as it sounds, the barrel is a unique figure of Russian pilots.
              Why, if it was done before us?
              We have a lot of our unique and inimitable tricks, cobra, chakra, bell.
              And so these commentators (they are far from journalists) only dishonor ours, we don’t attach ourselves to a stranger, well, we were not the first to use this useful thing, which does not detract from the merits of our pilots.
              These commerce works on the principle of a shallow emele your week, just something to blur.

              Why is it so overpriced? Well, you don’t like our "Afghan method" and you yourself are "Vietnamese". For the most part, for those present on the site, whatever the way of landing, the main thing is that people can sit down and not die. Go to the Anglo-Saxon sites, they write "right."
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            3. figwam
              figwam 10 March 2018 19: 15
              +1
              urman

              Well you give. Nobody says that the Afghan call was the first in the world! But for our Air Force, this happened for the first time in Afghanistan, and the Americans did not teach us this maneuver, we did it and practiced it ourselves. In our aviation, this maneuver is called so and the journalists have nothing to do with it.
              1. urman
                urman 10 March 2018 21: 37
                0
                It's not about the name, just journalists with their own, unparalleled, etc. rubbish began to annoy.
                Some kind of puppy delight, sometimes not the case.
                Well, it’s not in our tradition to copy the Yankees.
                Remember the battle And Emelianenko. How did the Englishman make faces and wide open his eyes,
                and Alexander is so calm, a total of four blows and everyone is free everything in the garden, take it out.
                This is not a Russian tradition, bragging is rampant and pounding oneself on the chest.
            4. not main
              not main 10 March 2018 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: urman
              These messages work on the principle of a shallow emele your week, just what to blur

              And without delving into the essence of the problem! And parasanting on feelings and emotions.
            5. shuravi
              shuravi 11 March 2018 01: 00
              0
              Quote: urman
              It’s logical, it’s logical, but as it sounds, the barrel is a unique figure of Russian pilots.
              Why, if it was done before us?
              We have a lot of our unique and inimitable tricks, cobra, chakra, bell.
              And so these commentators (they are far from journalists) only dishonor ours, we don’t attach ourselves to a stranger, well, we were not the first to use this useful thing, which does not detract from the merits of our pilots.
              These commerce works on the principle of a shallow emele your week, just something to blur.


              It seems at some points, but not the same thing. If only because in some cases the sea level, in another, highlands.
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 10 March 2018 13: 41
      +6
      It’s scary to fly on planes and helicopters, junk on junk.
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        2. Winnie76
          Winnie76 10 March 2018 14: 37
          +13
          Quote: Svarog
          A mess in the country around in all areas! Vote for Putin and another 6 years of chaos guaranteed!

          So that's why the flap fell off. It's all of us, putinoids are to blame. All 70 percent of the population. I wish Yeltsin Boryu resurrect. Wow then we will heal ...
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      2. Sma11
        Sma11 10 March 2018 14: 01
        +8
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It’s scary to fly on planes and helicopters, junk on junk.

        This junk will still survive us. Soviet technology is pretty reliable good .
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 10 March 2018 14: 14
          +2
          The equipment is reliable, but any equipment requires maintenance. And in this case there was no inspection. Even the trains at each station inspect. We hoped for reliability, but the fact of sabotage cannot be ruled out either. It is not necessary to bombard the plane, because you can damage it on the ground. IMHO
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 10 March 2018 14: 24
            +5
            Quote: freddyk
            And in this case there was no inspection

            and where such infa? Do not throw the link? it seems like the investigation is not finished ...
            1. freddyk
              freddyk 10 March 2018 16: 55
              0
              https://rusevik.ru/news/470217 , например. А вообще в лентах новостей сразу после крушения многие издания писали. "За что купил, за то и продаю."

              Quote: LSA57
              and where such infa? Do not throw the link? it seems like the investigation is not finished ...
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 10 March 2018 17: 13
                +3
                Quote: freddyk
                In general, many publications wrote in the news feeds immediately after the crash.

                so these are rumors !!!! gossip!!!!! just imagine that you, on the basis of only rumors, have been prosecuted? so in the comment and it was necessary to write, FOR Gossip it was not checked
                1. freddyk
                  freddyk 11 March 2018 00: 33
                  0
                  However, the IC instituted proceedings specifically for violation of flight rules and preparation for them. Or is it also a rumor?
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 11 March 2018 10: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: freddyk
                    However, the IC instituted proceedings specifically for violation of flight rules and preparation for them. Or is it also a rumor?

                    In the apparent absence of the guilty person, criminal cases are instituted according to the version most suitable to what happened. Violations of the rules of flight preparation is the most suitable version because there was no shelling, there was no sabotage, the flight went normally, i.e. the crew is adequate, but the accident occurred, possibly for technical reasons. Subsequently, if another reason is proved, the article can be re-qualified
              2. Flyer_64
                Flyer_64 10 March 2018 22: 27
                0
                Quote: freddyk
                In general, in the news feeds immediately after the crash

                And news feeds, by the way, download news from neta, and there they are looking for specialists and eyewitnesses.
          2. seti
            seti 10 March 2018 15: 23
            +2
            Have you been there that you can say that? This is all dupulism.
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 10 March 2018 14: 40
          +7
          This junk will still survive us. Soviet technology is pretty reliable - Sma11

          This is how it is necessary to use the aircraft by IAS specialists, what does the flap pull out from the plane? An-24 and An-26 are the most reliable machines with the correct operation of which the safe operation of these aircraft is guaranteed.
          It seems that the "reform" of the country's air force comes to a climax - regular air crashes. They destroyed all engineering aviation schools and the Zhukovsky Academy, draining them with the flight in Voronezh, on the basis of a non-core military school that trained specialists in servicing airfields, and now we are reaping the results.
          It’s bad when “shoemakers, baking cakes, and cake-grinder boots” come to the leadership of the Army and the Air Force.
          The blessed memory of the fallen.
          1. Sma11
            Sma11 10 March 2018 15: 23
            +6
            Quote: vladimirZ
            This is how it is necessary to use the aircraft by IAS specialists, what does the flap pull out from the plane? An-24 and An-26 are the most reliable machines with the correct operation of which the safe operation of these aircraft is guaranteed.
            It seems that the "reform" of the country's air force comes to a climax - regular air crashes. They destroyed all engineering aviation schools and the Zhukovsky Academy, draining them with the flight in Voronezh, on the basis of a non-core military school that trained specialists in servicing airfields, and now we are reaping the results.
            It’s bad when “shoemakers, baking cakes, and cake-grinder boots” come to the leadership of the Army and the Air Force.
            What do you want? Optimization however. Voronezh Academy is preparing "generalists" for all types of equipment. And in the units they reduced the ensigns who serviced this entire fleet with technicians. And the command is imprisoned in the "moral character" of the military personnel, the technical literacy of the staff is in its place. The main political, moral and physical indicators. So the "flowers" bloom.
          2. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 10 March 2018 22: 36
            +1
            Quote: vladimirZ

            It seems that the "reform" of the country's air force comes to a climax - regular air crashes. They destroyed all engineering aviation schools and the Zhukovsky Academy, draining them with the flight in Voronezh, on the basis of a non-core military school that trained specialists in servicing airfields, and now we are reaping the results.
            It’s bad when “shoemakers, baking cakes, and cake-grinder boots” come to the leadership of the Army and the Air Force.
            The blessed memory of the fallen.

            We give heroes for reforms.
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 10 March 2018 14: 47
        +1
        Spartan You are right: our military transport aircraft are still 90% Soviet-made. Civil aviation is a little better: up to 40 (?)% New or relatively new cars.
        In our village, there was a Yura airbase (Bashkir, and the Russian comrades changed their name to name) with experience from the front, he said that during the Union there was a high accident rate in the agricultural aviation. Why?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 10 March 2018 15: 11
          +5
          Quote: Monarchist
          In our village, there was a Yura airbase (Bashkir, and the Russian comrades changed their name to name) with experience from the front, he said that during the Union there was a high accident rate in the agricultural aviation. Why?
          Bashkir mechanics served? wink
        2. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 11 March 2018 17: 11
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          Why
          Because the flight was performed at an extremely low altitude, with unpaved airdrome with a high flight intensity and a heavy load on the pilot and aircraft, as well as showing off pilots to collective farmers, the human factor. These negative factors affected the accident rate in agricultural aviation.
      4. Simargl
        Simargl 10 March 2018 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: Spartanez300
        junk on junk
        Okay, just that! Effective manager on an effective manager, less and less specialists. And so it is everywhere.
        Periodically, people come to us to work from the airport: deducted health pilots, equipment ... I think that after a while it will be safer to drive a car with closed eyes with gas to the floor.
      5. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 10 March 2018 22: 03
        +2
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It’s scary to fly on planes and helicopters, junk on junk.

        You watch TV there horror movies about life, and it's scary to live. But we live. The flap could not fly away for some reason. The plane flew with a replacement from Allepo. If there was a technical malfunction, then the MO stopped flights of this type until the preliminary conclusions of the commission. But it was not announced. There’s just something to hide.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 11 March 2018 13: 52
          0
          Quote: Letun_64
          There’s just something to hide.

          In war, there is always something to hide and it’s not even a matter of loss, as some people think. Recall the old slogan "a talker is a godsend for a spy." In our information age, this truth is relevant as never before. And here, some “analysts”, from the height of their sofas, naively think that the Moscow Oblast is obliged to report to them in everything, and if they don’t like something, then immediately heart-rending screams from all sides, “guard, hide the truth from us”.
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit 11 March 2018 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Spartanez300
        junk on junk

        This "old", which was built back in the Soviet Union, will still survive you. Standards of strength, which were laid in aircraft then, were much more than now.
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 10 March 2018 13: 42
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Figs, we now find out the truth, maybe later unofficially ... Earth rest in peace to the dead.

      I agree with you.. hi There the officers were very serious!
      Rejoice bastards, bye .. angry
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 10 March 2018 14: 31
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Rejoice bastards, bye ..

        belay is that you addressed to whom? ... forum users ... ?? ... yes you fool
    4. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 10 March 2018 14: 05
      +2
      Former head of the Federal Aerospace Search and Rescue Directorate under the Russian Ministry of Defense, honored military pilot, Major General Vladimir Popov explained: despite the fact that at the time of the plane’s approach, the wind speed was 8 - 10 m / s, it’s uncritical "for aircraft of this type, which can be planted even with gusts of 15 meters per second, "said Popov. And since the tragedy happened a short distance from the runway, there was no external impact: the runway security zone begins at this distance, he explained. And he called the main version of the crash a technical failure.
    5. Hanokem
      Hanokem 10 March 2018 14: 13
      +1
      Guys, can I ask a question? Just looking forward to a frank answer. If an American transporter crashed with 30 officers, including one general, would you be happy?
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 10 March 2018 14: 24
        +7
        It’s stupid to rejoice at those who die so stupid and insulting. a couple of people are bubbling up something from the room, as it should be, but the rest will either remain silent or sympathize.
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 10 March 2018 14: 26
        +5
        Quote: Hanokem
        Guys, can I ask a question? Just looking forward to a frank answer. If an American transporter crashed with 30 officers, including one general, would you be happy?

        I will answer for myself. not happy. but he didn’t particularly grieve. would take it as a fact of tragedy
        1. Hanokem
          Hanokem 10 March 2018 14: 32
          +1
          LSA57, thanks for the answer. Very correct answer. These are exactly the feelings that I experienced after learning about the crash of a Russian plane
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 10 March 2018 14: 45
            +1
            Quote: Hanokem
            LSA57, thanks for the answer

            mutually hi
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 10 March 2018 15: 19
            +5
            I have a question. Will you also regret the tiger that ran after you and got into the pit with stakes?
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 10 March 2018 15: 22
              +1
              And if this tiger was useful?
              1. keeper03
                keeper03 11 March 2018 12: 41
                0
                Who is useful? Americans ?! lol There he is dear! hi
            2. Flyer_64
              Flyer_64 11 March 2018 17: 14
              0
              Quote: sabakina
              I have a question. Will you also regret the tiger that ran after you and got into the pit with stakes?

              Is it possible??? (;) Sorry for the tiger
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 11 March 2018 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Hanokem
            These are exactly the feelings that I experienced after learning about the crash of a Russian plane

            And why then do you write in Russian, besides at the Russian forum, especially when the tragedy happened? I would write Hebrew already at home, that would be more correct.
            These are exactly the feelings that I experienced after learning about the crash of a Russian plane
            What feelings, he just admitted that you do not care.
      3. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 10 March 2018 14: 30
        +5
        [/ quote] [quote = Hanokem] Guys, can I ask a question? Just looking forward to a frank answer. If an American transporter crashed with 30 officers, including one general, would you be happy?

        I would sympathize - the military are dying more often than they should, but you should also understand that it is mutually dangerous and, as the character from Predator-2 said, "the door opens in both directions, son." Think at your leisure ....
      4. faridg7
        faridg7 10 March 2018 14: 40
        +3
        Quote: Hanokem
        Guys, can I ask a question? Just looking forward to a frank answer. If an American transporter crashed with 30 officers, including one general, would you be happy?

        Yes. Especially if it were in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and in Syria (because they also climb). Why should I be upset by the loss of the enemy? Here is another “shooter” who shot civilians in the USA upsets me, although there is a controversial shooter from veterans again. That is, all the same, apparently, people have a conscience even after they put in order "American" anywhere, conscience torments them and brings them to the next "shootings". But in the case of a veteran, I was not very upset - the victims were only among the former democrats - the awards found their heroes after many years
      5. Bronevick
        Bronevick 10 March 2018 14: 42
        0
        If he had fallen directly to the militant camp, and would have taken 30 fighters with him, then they would have been happy.
      6. sabakina
        sabakina 10 March 2018 15: 15
        +13
        Quote: Hanokem
        Guys, can I ask a question? Just looking forward to a frank answer. If an American transporter crashed with 30 officers, including one general, would you be happy?

        Are our bases located around America? Is our missile defense deployed off the coast of America? Is our drone circling the borders of America every day? Are we conducting large-scale exercises in Mexico and Venezuela? Continue or do you think of it yourself?
        1. Hanokem
          Hanokem 10 March 2018 17: 00
          +3
          You assume that the USA and Russia are equal. And you compare the data on the economy, science, medicine, industry, the same army and make sure that these are not comparable countries. The budget of all of Russia is equal to the budget of the city of New York. Therefore, if you want to defeat America, overtake it in production, science, etc. China is following this path. And trying to compete with her in the military is a silly, hopeless and costly affair
          1. max702
            max702 11 March 2018 10: 41
            +2
            Well, so let's remember about public debt .. That's how the United States will give it back then and we will compare. and if we take into account that 60% of US GDP is a service .. So there is no need for competition in the military sphere, over the past couple of thousand years we have always won it from everyone ..
          2. keeper03
            keeper03 11 March 2018 12: 44
            0
            Do you have a printing press in Israel or is it in Washington ?! What are you then are you tearing the fifth point for the states ?! !! bully
          3. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 11 March 2018 17: 26
            +1
            Quote: Hanokem
            And you compare the data on the economy, science, medicine, industry, the same army

            This is not comparable. We live poorly, but with our economy, science, medicine, etc., and the United States is absorbing the global economy, industry, science, and so on. About the army Their much-praised F-35 is practically our Yak-141. This is by the way about science and technology. Two US destroyers ahead of schedule left the Black Sea due to the fact that the personnel received the highest dose of psychological stress. Of course, one cannot compare Russia and the USA, we are different and our paths are different. But we can resist the United States, and we will not bend. If they don’t sell us like in the 90s.
    6. Maz
      Maz 10 March 2018 17: 09
      +2
      Nonsense. Pull the flap? Schaub must be torn out to remove it, or vice versa, something must be wedged in. Search must be in Latakia from where he flew. Who conducted the inspection and training of the aircraft? Tama the dog is buried
  2. svp67
    svp67 10 March 2018 13: 11
    +4
    According to these statements, when flaps were released, one was actually torn out, which led to a sharp roll of the aircraft.
    It was necessary to write off these “hard workers” about five years ago ... but the promised replacement does not take off, apparently Mr. Rogozin cannot find the necessary “trampoline”.
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 10 March 2018 13: 30
      +11
      Why on earth? If there is a resource left, and the board has passed the form - fly and fly more ...
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 10 March 2018 13: 41
        +2
        Well, here you have the remaining resource. Are you satisfied?
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 10 March 2018 13: 50
          +7
          I beg of you! The causes of the crash are not yet known, and you have already made all the conclusions ... Even if something was broken from the mechanization of the wing, this does not mean that the An-26 should be decommissioned. Stupidity is some kind.
          1. AndreyS
            AndreyS 10 March 2018 16: 24
            0
            Quote: Anyone
            I beg of you! The causes of the crash are not yet known, and you have already made all the conclusions ... Even if something was broken from the mechanization of the wing, this does not mean that the An-26 should be decommissioned. Stupidity is some kind.

            Do not mark the beads in front of ... "specialists." These commentators are a dime a dozen with prepared disaster investigations. Poor TU-154 was shredded by tons of explosives, and "debris cannot be so small on water" !!!!
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 10 March 2018 14: 27
          +1
          Quote: Muvka
          Well, here you have the remaining resource. Are you satisfied?

          this is a technique. new and then refuses
        3. NKT
          NKT 10 March 2018 14: 50
          +2
          The resource for the An-24/26 glider is 40 years or a certain number of take-offs / landings. Next, a thorough inspection of the airframe (if necessary - ultrasound of the main elements) and if everything is fine, overhaul and extension of the resource. Engines respectively have their own resource.
    2. Lex.
      Lex. 10 March 2018 13: 37
      +1
      IL-114 wanted to launch everything in a series with sticks.
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 10 March 2018 14: 12
        0
        IL-112 You probably mean it. IL-114 without a ramp. So the 112th is still not like ...
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 10 March 2018 14: 19
          0
          Maybe you understand the pilot?
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 10 March 2018 14: 21
            +1
            Was a flight engineer
            1. Lex.
              Lex. 10 March 2018 15: 15
              0
              Guessed means
        2. Berkut154
          Berkut154 10 March 2018 14: 35
          +2
          They promised to roll out the IL-112 in the summer. Actually, it was not even needed yesterday and the day before yesterday .. The replacement of any equipment should be planned. And we squeeze all the juices out of a cash cow. And then it comes to pass that there is nothing eternal and let's tinker in an emergency. How much money swelled in the An-70? At the exhaust, pure oxygen is smoked.
      2. Genry
        Genry 10 March 2018 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Lex.
        IL-114 wanted to launch everything in a series with sticks.

        Already prepared for production. After launching the IL-112 deployed.
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 10 March 2018 16: 44
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      It was necessary to write off these "hard workers" five years ago ..
      Almost removed from civilian lines - they left only the cargo to carry.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 March 2018 13: 11
    +1
    Extreme wear of equipment? Or ... Yes, or what, he also used flaps when taking off ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 March 2018 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, which ones, he used flaps when taking off ...

      This is not the case. It breaks in the place of fatigue when peak loads occur. On take-off it could “break”, and already on landing ....
      1. Sma11
        Sma11 10 March 2018 14: 17
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        This is not the case. It breaks in the place of fatigue when peak loads occur. On take-off it could “break”, and already on landing ....

        Flaps, as I recall, relate to takeoff and landing devices. Moreover, when taking off, they increase the wing area creating lift, and when landing they play the role of brake flaps damping speed. But on take-off, they are let out at a min angle, and when landing they are already at a max. So they do not experience peak loads during take-off.
        1. NKT
          NKT 10 March 2018 15: 05
          +2
          When landing, the slats and flaps also increase the wing area to increase lift, respectively, allowing the pilot to reduce the speed of the sun. And the role of “brake flaps” about which you speak is spoilers. First, reverse and spoilers are involved in aircraft braking, then the wheel brakes are connected, and the reverse is turned off. The reverse gives somewhere 35% percent damping speed, wheel brakes about 20%, spoilers 15% well, and the body itself with wing mechanization 30%.
          1. Sma11
            Sma11 10 March 2018 16: 14
            0
            Quote: NKT
            When landing, the slats and flaps also increase the wing area to increase lift, respectively, allowing the pilot to reduce the speed of the sun. And the role of “brake flaps” about which you speak is spoilers. First, reverse and spoilers are involved in aircraft braking, then the wheel brakes are connected, and the reverse is turned off. The reverse gives somewhere 35% percent damping speed, wheel brakes about 20%, spoilers 15% well, and the body itself with wing mechanization 30%.

            Respected. I am impressed by your awareness. BUT on An-26 there are no slats, no spoilers, no reverse. It is turboprop, not jet. Or am I confusing something?
            1. NKT
              NKT 10 March 2018 16: 47
              +2
              At the expense of spoilers - you said about the "air brakes" - I just corrected you.
              There are no slats and spoilers on the an-24/26. The mechanization of the wing consists of two-section flaps and ailerons. And the reverse is, of course, not the same as on the turbojet. Some people do not consider him a reverse. The screws are removed from the stupor, in other words, they turn, and begin to provide additional resistance.
              If you flew an-24 you could hear this noise.
              1. Sma11
                Sma11 10 March 2018 18: 21
                0
                Quote: NKT
                And the reverse is, of course, not the same as on the turbojet. Some people do not consider him a reverse. The screws are removed from the stupor, in other words, they turn, and begin to provide additional resistance.
                Do you mean feathering or autorotation?
                1. NKT
                  NKT 10 March 2018 19: 45
                  0
                  No. I wanted to say that a turboprop pilot can adjust the inclination of the blades to the plane of rotation of the propeller.

                  Specifically for the An-24, upon landing, the pilot removes the stupor from the blades, they rotate by zero angle and, the angle of attack of the blades becomes negative, resulting in a real negative thrust.

                  There are videos that show how the ATR without towing, turning on the reverse, is reversing.

                  https://youtu.be/wiDj9OUjmBU

                  Such a thing will not work on the turbojet engine, since it will suck up everything that is on the strip, so they are turned off immediately after 200km / h.
                  1. Sma11
                    Sma11 10 March 2018 20: 33
                    +1
                    I certainly respect your opinion. But the reverse for jet aircraft occurs due to a change in the direction of the jet stream away from the rectilinear movement using various devices. In the design of An 24 / 26, the AB-72 screw is used, which does not have negative traction. Minimum installation angle, somewhere around 8 °. The screw when landing and starting the engine is put into feathering mode.
                    Quote: NKT
                    Such a thing will not work on the turbojet engine, since it will suck up everything that is on the strip, so they are turned off immediately after 200km / h.

                    Here's a joke good . And I saw. like IL-76 the front leg is pulled out from the ditch by reverse. And in taxiing, they ride a couple of basic ones. But what about the gas? In place of the scum. request
                    1. NKT
                      NKT 10 March 2018 21: 23
                      0
                      At the expense of An-24/26, I agree with you about the reverse, at various air forums, they argue whether this can be called a reverse or not.

                      Regarding the general availability of reverse for turboprop aircraft, look at the encyclopedia, negative thrust - the first application of reverse, as she says, was created in the 30s on b-247 and d-2:

                      “The reverse for propeller aircraft is realized by turning the propeller blades (the angle of attack of the blades changes from positive to negative) with the rotation direction unchanged. Thus, the screw begins to create reverse thrust. This type of reversing device can be used both on aircraft with a piston engine, and on turboprop aircraft, including single-engine ones. “Reverse is often provided on seaplanes and amphibians, as it provides significant convenience when taxiing on water.”

                      As for the use of reverse on a third-of-the-line engine, you need to watch the RLE, the minimum limit is 140km / h. For the Tu-154 - 200km / h. Your case with IL-76 is an exception to the rule, and, as I believe, it was nevertheless carried out in violation of the RLE. winked
                      1. Sma11
                        Sma11 10 March 2018 21: 38
                        +1
                        What do I need your forums "sofa" specialists. 15 years of practical maintenance and repair of these "swallows" give more than volumes of instructions and rules.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 10 March 2018 16: 48
            +1
            Quote: NKT
            First, reverse and spoilers are involved in aircraft braking, then the wheel brakes are connected, and the reverse is turned off
            This is for reactive ones. Screw reverse thrust propellers play almost until the aircraft stops completely. He flew on the AN-24/26. On the ATR-72, you can generally sit in the plane of rotation - everything is perfectly visible there.
            1. NKT
              NKT 10 March 2018 16: 59
              0
              So can we assume that there is a reverse on the an24 / 26 and atr-72? Many forums argue about this wink
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 10 March 2018 17: 46
                +1
                Quote: NKT
                So we can assume that there is a reverse on the an24 / 26 and atr-72
                lol Of course, I am an amateur ... but the pitch of the screw is reversed. In ATR-72, this shows how the blades behave.
      2. freddyk
        freddyk 10 March 2018 14: 21
        +1
        You know, in a car you cut a brake hose, you brake a few more times. But at the right time it will explode.
      3. Shahno
        Shahno 10 March 2018 14: 48
        +3
        Everything is simpler here. At takeoff, the flaps deviate to a much smaller angle.
  4. Partyzan
    Partyzan 10 March 2018 13: 12
    +3
    What exactly was the cause of damage to the flaps, not reported. Nor is it reported whether An-26 underwent a proper pre-flight inspection.
    and who is to blame? Carl - who?
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 March 2018 13: 17
      +3
      Quote: Partyzan
      and who is to blame? Carl - who?

      Who, who is engineering staff. Write off on the deceased board technician and pilot. They flew from Aleppo to Khmeinin ...
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 10 March 2018 14: 05
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Write off on the deceased board technician and pilot. They flew from Aleppo to Khmeinin ...

        and since when is the preflight inspection responsible for the health of the aircraft? is this a visual card?
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 10 March 2018 13: 17
      +3
      Do not worry, there will always be a guilty party. But you will not return people.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 March 2018 15: 25
        +3
        I agree with rotmistr60, there is still a horse in a coat.
  5. Galleon
    Galleon 10 March 2018 13: 26
    +9
    the plane did not reach about 500 meters to the airfield

    during the approach, it means that its height at a distance of 500 m from the landing site must be about 30m or less. But we immediately write that
    the plane began to dive from a height of "several hundred meters"

    It becomes clear why education reform and the USE are needed - to be believed!
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 10 March 2018 13: 35
      +4
      Do not look for a cat in a dark room - you won’t find one fig ... well, maybe very soon ..
    2. Anyone
      Anyone 10 March 2018 13: 37
      +6
      Journalists a priori can not understand absolutely everything that they write about. And the general level of domestic journalism leaves much to be desired ... It used to be that a person called himself a humanitarian if he knew languages, literature, history, philosophy and was versed in ancient Greek drama. Today, the humanist is one who does not know the multiplication table well.
    3. Volodin
      Volodin 10 March 2018 13: 39
      +3
      Quote: Galleon
      during the approach, it means that its height at a distance of 500 m from the landing site must be about 30m or less. But we immediately write that
      the plane began to dive from a height of "several hundred meters"
      It becomes clear why education reform and the USE are needed - to be believed!


      Exam it, of course, the exam, but you would still be worth to be more careful when reading. The plane fell at a distance 500 m from the airfield, which "30 m height"? He fell in 500 m from the runway, fell! .. And he began to fall, of course, started a little earlier ...
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 10 March 2018 13: 46
        +5
        Quote: Volodin
        The USE is, of course, the USE, but you should still be more attentive when reading it.

        What does the Unified State Examination Volodin have to do with it ...? Are you sure that this is simply a malfunction or a mistake of the pilots ..? I'm not sure about that ....
        And to humiliate the members of the forum, even if you are a journalist of VO, I think it is not correct on your part .. hi
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 10 March 2018 14: 03
          +1
          Dear sir, haven't you gone there yet, or what, after the holidays?))) Why write a comment if you don’t even understand who is writing to whom. Read the comment to which I replied. Then figure out which side was wrong.

          "MIKHAN: Are you sure that this is just a malfunction or a pilot error ..?"

          Yes, and you did not read the news. It says in Russian in white that this is a Kommersant note.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 10 March 2018 14: 14
            +3
            Quote: Volodin
            My friend, haven’t you left yet, or, after the holidays?)))

            Well, yes, I bought up the whole “boyar” in pharmacies .. Did you want to hear this from me?
            Aren't you ashamed as a journalist ..?
            Quote: Volodin
            Why write a comment if you don’t even understand who writes to whom. Read the comment I replied to. Then figure out which side was incorrect.

            You’ve become angry .. And there are more and more “wise guys” on the site .. Well, go on! This site is minus a huge ..
            No need to put yourself ABOVE others ... pride will destroy you !!! Remember this Volodin ... negative
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 10 March 2018 14: 21
              +2
              Quote: MIKHAN
              This site is minus huge ..

              You are an amazing person - you got into someone else's dialogue, without even bothering to read what you were talking about, did not carefully read the news, which. I repeat once again, they wrote in Kommersant. They accused me of being “above” everyone. And then they also set themselves offended. In general, they did everything to divert the conversation from the topic. Not ashamed? And such on the site, unfortunately, more and more ...
              Just a piece of advice: if you write comments, then at least read first what this is all about. Then there will be no strange offenses for no reason, and pride, as you say it, will not destroy you ...
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 10 March 2018 15: 34
                +3
                I am not a pilot, but I think that the plane in 500 meters from GDP could not be at an altitude of 500 meters.
                1. Volodin
                  Volodin 10 March 2018 16: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: sabakina
                  I am not a pilot, but I think that the plane in 500 meters from GDP could not be at an altitude of 500 meters.


                  First, all the same, the runway, and, secondly, where does it say that in 500 m from the runway An-26 was at the height of 500 m?
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 10 March 2018 19: 55
                    +1
                    secondly, where is it said that at 500 m from the runway An-26 was at an altitude of 500 m?

                    The article says:

                    As a result, the aircraft began to dive from a height of "several hundred meters."

      2. Galleon
        Galleon 10 March 2018 14: 12
        +2
        So I tried to read carefully. The first phrase about this misfortune in the media was that the plane crashed while landing. We look at the landing glide path: 500m removal - 25-30m height. Or not when landing? Or do they say something wrong? Well, I’m like that guy: I see what I see. request
        1. NKT
          NKT 10 March 2018 15: 42
          0
          From what I know, at 500m from the end, the height should be 70-80m, at 400m - 60m - this is VPR. The end span at a height of 15m, the beginning of leveling at 8-10m, the end of leveling at 0.5-1m.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 10 March 2018 15: 47
            0
            I do not think that An en glide path 4. If I went to the landing there was even time before leaving. Nesk sec. So the drive just stuck. If a flap. Well, the experience was. Who immediately then opens.
            1. NKT
              NKT 10 March 2018 16: 02
              0
              According to RLE for the An-26, the altitude for 1 km from the end should be a maximum of 100 m, this is the passage of the short-range drive, so I do not see anything critical here.
              In the news they write that the sun came in with a roll, KVS could apply the slip for a quick decline.
        2. Sma11
          Sma11 10 March 2018 15: 46
          +1
          Quote: Galleon
          So I tried to read carefully. The first phrase about this misfortune in the media was that the plane crashed while landing. We look at the landing glide path: 500m removal - 25-30m height. Or not when landing? Or do they say something wrong? Well, I’m like that guy: I see what I see. request
          The media mentioned the "Afghan landing." Aircraft is vulnerable when landing. And to counter defeat at this stage, a unique technique was developed that had never been used in heavy aircraft before. It was called - "Drop with a maximum gradient."
    4. Shahno
      Shahno 10 March 2018 14: 53
      +1
      All write correctly. Started releasing flaps at the end of the approach at 2.5 km from gdp. On 500 m from gdp crashed. I tried to plan, I suppose ... with such a wind there is no gut. It was necessary before ...
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      2. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 10 March 2018 22: 29
        0
        What does it have to "had before"! Mechanization is issued at the lines established by the instructions for the production of flights for each individual aerodrome.
  6. Tusv
    Tusv 10 March 2018 13: 28
    0
    which the plane did not reach about 500 meters from the airfield due to technical problems. The Kommersant newspaper, citing a source in the military transport aviation of the Russian Federation, writes that the “damaged flaps” became the cause of the crash.

    I'm here in search of who is to blame and "What to do?"
  7. askort154
    askort154 10 March 2018 13: 59
    +11
    I won’t “wang,” until the commission officially withdraws, but I don’t exclude the option with flaps.
    To tear off the flap without external influence - speculation from the media. But, the discrepancy in the issue, or not the release of one flap for technical reasons, both theoretically and practically, is permissible. This is provided for by the manual for all aircraft. On modern airplanes, a system is provided for "automatically leveling the mismatch of the flap release," as well as manual. The crews are training on simulators (it used to be), to get out of this situation. Such a “defect” is especially dangerous on take-off and on the pre-landing line. There have been similar cases in practice. The case of the IL-86 could be especially difficult, at the dawn of its beginning operation. but there the crew worked very professionally, by the way (my classmate). There are no "old" planes. Aircraft (aircraft) are allowed to fly not by the year of "birth", but by the remainder of the operational life of the airframe, engines, units and systems of its equipment. The decision to terminate the operation of a certain type of aircraft is taken as a whole by a decision of the government based on the conclusion of special commissions. Sometimes "young", more fail than the "oldies.", Both in life and in the aircraft engine park. yes
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 10 March 2018 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      . There are no "old" planes. Aircraft (aircraft) are allowed to fly not by the year of "birth", but by the remainder of the operational life of the airframe, engines, units and systems of its equipment. The decision to terminate the operation of a certain type of aircraft is taken as a whole by a decision of the government based on the conclusion of special commissions. Sometimes "young", more fail than the "oldies.", Both in life and in the aircraft engine park. yes


      And there is still such a thing as a resource extension, operation by technical condition.
    2. NN52
      NN52 10 March 2018 15: 12
      +8
      askort154

      Journalists wrote in an article, when flaps were released, one was torn out ... Flaps are not released 500 m from the strip.
      I think this is fake and nonsense of journalists ...
  8. Bronevick
    Bronevick 10 March 2018 14: 00
    +2
    We fly from Shagol, serve once a year at best, and do not tear anything away. A sabotage group drove up on a pickup truck, fired at a plane with a DShK, hit the wing, the plane crashed, the group left.
    1. groks
      groks 10 March 2018 14: 06
      +3
      You can not do it this way. The guarantor said that they won. And then there are the elections. They will lie until the last.
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  10. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 10 March 2018 14: 06
    +2
    There was nothing to get in. Afghanistan did not teach anything.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 10 March 2018 14: 15
      +4
      Sorry, but the Antonov, which fell in the Moscow region, also because of Syria or because of Afghanistan?
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 March 2018 14: 23
        +2
        no, this is the 45th backfired ...
      2. Sergey D_2
        Sergey D_2 10 March 2018 14: 42
        +1
        Then there is nothing to roll eyes under the forehead. They died and died. Volunteers. They wanted to cut money quickly.
        Quote: Volodin
        Sorry, but the Antonov, which fell in the Moscow region, also because of Syria or because of Afghanistan?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 10 March 2018 15: 43
          +4
          Volunteers say they wanted to cut some money .... Well, well ...
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  12. fa2998
    fa2998 10 March 2018 16: 26
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Spartanez300
    It’s scary to fly on planes and helicopters, junk on junk.

    A mess in the country around in all areas! Vote for Putin and another 6 years of chaos guaranteed!

    And the truth for the accident, we are unlikely to find out, the beloved president in 9 days, the so-called elections will take place, do not spoil the image! hi
  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 10 March 2018 17: 32
    0
    Media with reference to a source in the BTA

    I would deprive the media of a license for this sentence for life
  14. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 10 March 2018 18: 12
    0
    Well what a dumb thing! An article about a plane crash, no, they climbed again with their elections!
    Again Putin is to blame!
    Write on the topic, leave your stupid comets to yourself. You can poke your idols on your chest or on z @ dnitsa! Breast, Sobchak and other truth-seekers ...
  15. Yura Kharlamov
    Yura Kharlamov 10 March 2018 18: 13
    0
    In 10th year, a Tu142 catastrophe occurred due to the destruction of the screw mechanism of the flap. The flap came off. The plane rolled over and fell into the strait from the height of the circle. the old materiel could not stand up for increased overloads. the latch could come off. in this case they were doomed
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  17. Urantian
    Urantian 10 March 2018 18: 35
    +1
    Fly in the old ..., all this is the result of the reforms of the liberals and the ruined aircraft industry in Russia ...
    1. Falcond
      Falcond 10 March 2018 18: 37
      0
      Take an interest in how many years amers fly B-52 ... and how many more are planned ...
  18. Falcond
    Falcond 10 March 2018 18: 39
    0
    In so it also flies, it is checked on personal experience
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 10 March 2018 19: 58
      0
      Who overtook? lol Who cut? lol Who drove into the ass? good
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 10 March 2018 23: 16
        0
        Hail beat at height
    2. shuravi
      shuravi 11 March 2018 01: 10
      0
      Quote: FalconD
      In so it also flies, it is checked on personal experience


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    1. Falcond
      Falcond 11 March 2018 01: 43
      0
      Are you sure that there is an unambiguous connection between the concepts “aircraft industry is alive” and “aircraft are being watched”?
  20. Falcond
    Falcond 10 March 2018 18: 41
    +2
    Guys you won’t return, that’s the saddest thing
  21. Yura Kharlamov
    Yura Kharlamov 10 March 2018 18: 48
    0
    Damaged radar nose nose.Well and what? This is for him a little more than the drag.
  22. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 10 March 2018 22: 11
    +1
    Quote: garnik
    No, all that he earned is his and the amount that lies or was in foreign banks is not so big, given his position. It’s bad that he didn’t declare, he wanted to be his own in the “board”.
    For me, the main thing is that the "heritage of the people" belong to the people.


    Naive in the board laughing
  23. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 10 March 2018 22: 19
    +1
    Quote: Monarchist
    Spartan You are right: our military transport aircraft are still 90% Soviet-made. Civil aviation is a little better: up to 40 (?)% New or relatively new cars.
    In our village, there was a Yura airbase (Bashkir, and the Russian comrades changed their name to name) with experience from the front, he said that during the Union there was a high accident rate in the agricultural aviation. Why?

    I carefully reread the description of disasters over many years. If we take the An-2 (Yak-12 a dozen long ago), then there were a lot of engine failures, and after the collapse of the USSR, due to inappropriate gasoline, the engine was piston. There were many disasters due to drunkenness and air hooliganism. Most of them are due to violations by the crew of flight procedures and violations during flight operations (distraction on a low-level flight, non-use of signalmen to rut, etc.)
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  25. NKT
    NKT 10 March 2018 22: 38
    0
    Quote: Sma11
    What do I need your forums "sofa" specialists. 15 years of practical maintenance and repair of these "swallows" give more than volumes of instructions and rules.


    I’ve found a manual for the operation and maintenance of the AI-24VT engine, we read about negative traction, removal from the stop, etc.:

    1. During descent, approach and landing, set the operating modes of the engines in accordance with the instructions of the Aircraft Flight Manual.

    2. In order to avoid the appearance of large negative thrust, it is strictly forbidden to remove the screws from the stop until the aircraft lands.

    3. After landing, to reduce the flight path of the aircraft, it is necessary to put the throttle of both engines to the position αв = 0 ° according to the control gear and remove the screws from the intermediate stop by setting the screw removal switch from the stop to the "Screw removed from the stop" position (oil pressure warning lamps in the channels FS and MS should light up).

    4. When the aircraft runs after landing, it is not advisable to turn off the engines, since in this case the effect of braking the aircraft with screws decreases sharply and the flight path of the aircraft increases.

    Therefore, negative thrust is the reverse, i.e. on the an-24/26 he still is.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 11 March 2018 00: 20
      0
      Negative traction occurs when the screws untwist in the opposite direction. What does not eat well.
      1. NKT
        NKT 11 March 2018 01: 24
        +1
        Your phrase about unscrewing the screws in the opposite direction completely killed me and I felt very sad, especially remembering your words that you serviced the aircraft - “swallows”.
        1. Sma11
          Sma11 11 March 2018 01: 42
          +1
          (Practical aerodynamics of the An-24 aircraft. L. Bogoslavsky).
          The formation of negative traction is particularly undesirable and dangerous at small
          speeds and near the ground. The negative thrust is directed against the flight and
          therefore causes a decrease in flight speed. Also transition
          blades at a negative angle of attack will cause a sharp decrease in local
          the velocity of flow around the wing on the surface that is blown
          screws. As a result, the aircraft’s lift will decrease by 3 — 5 t and
          will cause an uncontrolled descent of the aircraft, which can serve near the ground
          serious prerequisite for a flight accident.
          In all cases, the effect of negative traction creates significant
          difficulties in piloting the aircraft. Negative craving plays
          a positive role only when braking the aircraft with landing screws and
          with an emergency decline. In all other cases, negative traction
          harmful.
          The appearance of negative traction at the time of starting the engine causes
          U-turn and roll of the aircraft towards the starting engine.
          Get upset further. I’m not a pilot, but a technician. I didn’t go into piloting especially.
          1. Genry
            Genry 11 March 2018 11: 16
            0
            Quote: Sma11
            Negative traction occurs when the screws untwist in the opposite direction.

            The screws can unscrew in the opposite direction, only slightly with improper feathering and this will in no way cause a reverse thrust. Only reverse at good speeds gives serious reverse thrust, used to reduce mileage.
  26. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 March 2018 10: 45
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    That is, they sawed up the cable or cut the hydraulics. While flying - everything is fine, with a heavy load it burst.

    There is a cable, hydraulics and electric traction. Many questions. One of the reliable hard workers, high ranks on it often drove. Land in rest for the crew and passengers. Condolences to friends and family.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 11 March 2018 13: 31
      0
      Quote: Bort Radist
      There is a cable, hydraulics and electric traction. Many questions. One of the reliable hard workers, high ranks on it often drove. Land in rest for the crew and passengers. Condolences to friends and family.
      I’ll clarify a bit. Flaps are controlled by a helical mechanism. There are no cables there, as well as hydraulics from a stainless steel (you will not cut request ).
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 11 March 2018 18: 05
        0
        I will not argue, I know, I saw how all three options work from the helm. Flaps is a slightly different song. But release their electric traction? There are characteristic sounds.
        1. Sma11
          Sma11 11 March 2018 18: 30
          0
          The drive, yes, is electric in the flaps. And from the helm, the rudder, elevation and ailerons. About hydraulics what
  27. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 March 2018 10: 58
    0
    It is possible to assume that the engine fails with autorotation, the board immediately turns over by more than 45 degrees. Autofluxing should work, or with handles, the screws will be transferred to the feathering. At this altitude and when landing, you probably will not have time to react. Such situations are worked out at height and it is very difficult to level the board.
  28. LIP
    LIP 18 March 2018 17: 07
    0
    I am not a pilot, so I do not presume to rant on this topic. This is always known to the Merchant. Although they often fall with a finger into the sky. And the secrets of the military should not always be advertised to the civilian public. The less you know the better you sleep.
  29. krokus792
    krokus792 19 March 2018 17: 03
    0
    The fleet of this junk is high time to write off. There is nothing to risk the lives of our guys. It is necessary to build aircraft factories and introduce new, advanced developments.