"Dagger" was the air version of "Iskander"

1 in March, Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking with a message to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, announced a number of new developments in the field of armaments. In addition to the Sarmat intercontinental missile complex, the Avangard hypersonic winged block, and other achievements of the Russian military-industrial complex, the X-47М2 Dagger hypersonic air-based complex was presented.

According to the president, this missile is capable of hitting ground and surface objects at a distance of up to 10 km at a hypersonic speed of about 2000 Mach. Carrier of this weapons should become high-altitude interceptors MiG-31.

After showing the test frames of the Dagger, the public immediately noticed the visual similarity of this missile with the ballistic missile of the Iskander-M operational-tactical complex 9М723, which was also created in the last few years. However, the question of its hypersonic characteristics remains in question.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

Nonsense of the next LIBERAST.
1. One suspension and what?
2. Start with a flying laboratory, and?
3. Air ionization at high speeds, so homing at known frequencies is not possible. And on the unknown?
4. Maybe from an expert, "you will be retrained in management houses"?

[Igar]

1. Never mind. He just told how it was arranged.
2. Again, nothing. The usual description! What questions?
3. What are these "unknown" frequencies yet?
4. Or maybe you should think about presenting at least a few arguments against what is shown in the video? Language wag all the masters, but to say something in the case, and even to justify it, not many are capable of. And you, apparently, not among them.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: IGAR

1. Never mind. He just told how it was arranged.
2. Again, nothing. The usual description! What questions?
3. What are these "unknown" frequencies yet?
4. Or maybe you should think about presenting at least a few arguments against what is shown in the video? Language wag all the masters, but to say something in the case, and even to justify it, not many are capable of. And you, apparently, not among them.

Do not rush, the arguments will hit them unexpectedly, as recently calibers. We will beat gently, but hard.

[Igar]

The conversation was not with you

[GDP]

I think it’s not worthwhile to be guided by this video when evaluating the “dagger”, it’s unlikely that they showed a real rocket, ours don’t want to give such a gift to the Americans, because even the form of the rocket significantly affects the permeability of the plasma for radio signals. In general, to accelerate a rocket to hyper sound is not a problem, it is a problem to provide control of this rocket, because the plasma strongly distorts radio signals, especially in the millimeter range. There are several ways to solve this problem: through the use of special materials, the form of the carrier, the resonance layer, external control, etc. ... Ours in this regard, back in Soviet times, had very advanced developments. A friend of mine wrote a dissertation on this issue in the 80's and said that the problem was partially solved ... That is, there are solutions to this problem and some have already been tested in practice, so the author of the video is not quite right ...

In my unprofessional look I would solve the problem of a guided hypersonic rocket in the following way - first I would raise it in height to reduce atmospheric pressure and plasma density + special material and a special form that creates a window in the plasma, at least for external control. Then aiming at the target and accelerating along an uncontrolled trajectory (you can already get into the ship) or partially controlled with several redundant channels under external control.

[helmi8]

Quote: IGAR

All masters shake their tongues, and not many are able to say something about the case, and even justify it. And you, apparently, are not among them.

The author of this video is also not one of them. There are different planes in the photo and video, although with the same number ... Yes, more ... In addition to the laboratory aircraft, there are also leader aircraft, on which all modifications and design changes are tested. The expert of the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau really needs to know this ...

[R Anatoly]

What came across a simple journalist. I marked the event as I could. And if there is anyone smarter, then write comments about the rocket.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: IGAR

1. Never mind. He just told how it was arranged.
Or maybe you should think about presenting at least a few arguments against what is shown in the video ?.

Was there a boy?
Why is it certainly against and not for?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And on the unknown?

Frequencies are measured in measures of length -, meters, decimeters, centimeters, millimeters ... What do you mean by unknown frequencies?

Quote: Mavrikiy

Maybe from an expert, "you will be retrained in management houses"?

Believing in "soft" weapons is much more fun, yes

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Mavrikiy

And on the unknown?

Frequencies are measured in measures of length -, meters, decimeters, centimeters, millimeters ... What do you mean by unknown frequencies?

"Again deuce!" (forgot nanometers)
Frequencies are mastered and not very. "Unveiled" that mastered or not very made public .

[anEkeName]

Frequencies are measured in Hertz, "in measures of length" are measured wavelengths. It’s a shame, my friend, to confuse such elementary even for a schoolboy concepts as the wavelength and its frequency.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: anEkeName

Frequencies are measured in Hertz, "in measures of length" are measured wavelengths. It’s a shame, my friend, to confuse such elementary even for a schoolboy concepts as the wavelength and its frequency.

I still remember the formula λ = c / ν, simply the length and frequency are inverse quantities. At the same time, when speaking about frequencies, GOS usually means precisely wavelengths.

[Artek]

Well, the fact that this racket does not have air intakes for a ramjet engine is noticeable, that means the engine is different, maybe solid fuel, maybe liquid. Shunting planes at least, then it will fly along almost ballistic, although there may be gas-dynamic taxiing? The exhaustion of TTRD gases is possible to reach 10 s / s. An acceleration of 10 s / s requires good thermal protection, although Iskander missiles also have a hyper speed at the final stage of diving, so you can probably adapt the iskander to a dagger.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Artek

So it’s probably possible to adapt the iskander to a dagger.

[R Anatoly]

No guys, I have a suspicion of plasmoid technology.

[17085]

Quote: R Anatoly

No guys, I have a suspicion of plasmoid technology.

so how to confuse something like that ?! This is anti-gravity!

[sir_obs]

This was rewritten from an article published in China by one "expert" who also claimed that until now only China had it. I'm talking about an article.
With this, the Chinese call our moment obsolete, although in principle they do not have such an aircraft. Compares a missile to an existing anti-ship bclistic missile.

[vkfriendly]

I’m not at all sure that there is a "dagger" hanging there, well, why would you have to open your eyes to secret development. By the way, there was infa that it was in Syria that they tested the “dagger” from the newest su57, having worked point-by-point on barmales, more is believed in this, a new aircraft is a new rocket.

[MKPU-115]

"However, the question of its hypersonic characteristics remains in question." -
Really? For example, information for AFFtor: OTRK Iskander with a 9M723 missile (single-stage) - speed 6 max.

[Igar]

It was about "Dagger" with a declared speed of about 10 Mach

[MKPU-115]

Quote: IGAR

It was about "Dagger" with a declared speed of about 10 Mach

9M723 (single-stage) - speed 6 max
"dagger" - 2 steps + carrier speed.
Can you figure it out?

[Igar]

Where did the information about the 2 steps in "Dagger"?

[Observer2014]

Igar

Where did the information about the 2 steps in "Dagger"?

I support you. As soon as I saw the start, the “Dagger” immediately said. It all hurts like a rocket for the Iskander. I don’t see anything bad. Besides reducing the cost of production of the rockets themselves. “The dagger thanks to the carrier gets an additional range and flexibility of use. Compared with "Iskander" More precisely, they complement each other. Everything is logical. By the way, a question for the pros. Is it possible at two speeds to reset the product from the carrier? So that the product is hypersonic (I will ease the question) If not. Judging by the size of the “Dagger” rocket, there are exactly 8 -12 pieces in Tu 22 m3, it doesn’t matter if the M4 fits. And oh, what a “gift” for adversaries

[NN52]

Observer2014

The limitation at 31 for external missile suspensions is 2,35 M.
How much with a dagger, either as much or even less.
This has already been discussed in the Armament section with one stubborn there already ..
Look ....

[Observer2014]

NN52

The limitation at 31 for external missile suspensions is 2,35 M.

This has already been discussed in the Armament section with one stubborn there already ..
Look ....

Yes, that stubborn surrendered to me for 300 years. I’m most important to understand the “Dagger” myself. You can launch it not only with the MiG31! Ah, the rest is up to one place.

[NN52]

Observer2014
Personally, my opinion is that the Dagger is launched at the subsonic speed of the carrier, this can also be seen in the video (the video is not in this topic), where shooting from the other side with sound is in progress ...
Why with 31? Because it was easier and cheaper to remake the AKU (suspension points) on it than on the Tu 22, 95 or 160 .... And it's not a fact that there are such cars in Akhtuba ...
And one more nuance in favor of subsonic, I already said that there is a speed limit with missiles, but with such a large suspension in the form of a Dagger, I do not even know from the point of view of aerodynamics what will happen when supersonic transitions and how the carrier behaves. ... Although they probably blew the model in the aero pipe ...

And everyone just went in cycles at 31 ..... Already many even added his max speed at 3M to the speed of the rocket, without thinking about the limitations of the aircraft and the increased aerodynamic resistance with such a colossus ....
THIS PRODUCT IS FOR OTHER TYPES ALSO.
I don’t know about 10 mach, and it’s unlikely that we will find out in the near future ...
But even if 4-5M at a range of 2 km, then this is not bad ...

[askme]

4-5M at a range of 2000 km are possible ONLY if the KR are equipped with ramjet. If we are talking about a ballistic trajectory after burning a solid propellant rocket charge, then to fly after an ATC of 2000 km, such a rocket must have an initial velocity at the beginning of the ballistic section of the trajectory of at least 4 km / s with a path height of 460 km above the Earth's surface (excluding aerodynamic drag ) those. 14400 km / h, i.e. 11,7 Mach. But not at all 4-5M.

[Vadim237]

An aeroballistic missile with a powerful turbojet engine - this is why it has high speeds.

[askme]

That's it) And just because it flies solely in the atmosphere, along a quasi-ballistic trajectory, and not in space along a ballistic trajectory, it needs a greater initial acceleration than 4 km / s, so that, braking in the atmosphere, fly by inertia 2000 km (like at least 10-20% higher initial speed), steering the taxi path, keeping in the atmosphere. Or there really is a second stage, which Old 26 wrote about recently (I am inclined to this option), which has either a ramjet, or a liquid propellant rocket engine, or a solid propellant rocket engine. These are just the laws of physics. There is no other way ...

ps so it’s not so simple “Dagger” as it seemed at first ....

[seos]

The Iskander rocket is hypersonic 6-7 max when starting from the ground .... from the air, even when flying at subsonic speed, due to altitude there is no problem increasing the range and speed ...
So there are certainly 10 mach ...
Moreover, the rocket weighs 3.4 tons, which in theory allows it to be used even with fighters ...

[Lex.]

It’s not profitable to lie to Putin either 10 and there are 10 experts to lie to him to be afraid

[Observer2014]

Well, what will we talk about next? Personally, I just want to know as before. Is it possible to use the "Dagger" without Mig31 and that's it. If not. That’s not. It just turns out to be a unique bunch.

[Dead duck]

Well, everything can be seen how and where it hangs ...
and that the number of the cars is different ...
but the fact that the "Wikipedia expert" (in the video) is often mistaken and does not see (intentionally?) the obvious one, of course, no one noticed ...

[seos]

The rocket weighs 3.4 tons
Combat load: Su-30 10t, Su-34 9t-12t, Su-24 7t, Tu-160 45t
Most likely, the Su-34 and Tu-160 will be adapted for use.

[Barabashka 68]

Here is not quite on the topic, but something interesting.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-699.html

[You Vlad]

Quote: Observer2014

As soon as I saw the start, the “Dagger" immediately said. It hurts all this to the Iskander rocket

This is not what all these conjectures are for, since there is nothing to guess from them! It was specially said: well, you understand that we cannot show you real products ....

[R Anatoly]

At such speeds there cannot be two steps - the inertia from the additional parts is too great.

[Operator]

The maximum speed of Iskander-M at the time of separation of the warhead is 2100 m / s, and the speed of sound at an altitude of 12 km and above is 295 m / s, i.e. warhead speed is 7,11 m.

The speed of a continuous flight of a serial MiG at an altitude of 18 km is 3000 km / h or 833 m / s or 2,82 M.

Total 9,93 M.

Plus rarefied air at an altitude of 18 km reduces the aerodynamic drag of a rocket, plus a modified MiG-31 is used in the Dagger complex.

The result is 10 M.

[R Anatoly]

If it were that simple, then the Americans would have done something similar a long time ago.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: IGAR

Where did the information about the 2 steps in "Dagger"?

Sorry, let slip, forget about it)

[Igar]

Oh gospadi ... But where do you come from

[JIaIIoTb]

6 missile missiles + Mach Mach 3,5 MIG 31 = Mach 9,5. What's wrong? And yes, MIG 31 in this situation, the first step)

[Igar]

forgot to add a fair wind

[JIaIIoTb]

Unfortunately the wind is in your head)

[Igar]

But do not be rude.
Imagine that the MiG-31 accelerates to 8500 km / h and drops a missile that has a maximum speed of 2000 km / h. According to your logic, by complex arithmetic operations, we get a hypersonic rocket, “capable” of accelerating to 10500 km / h. You are a genius!

[JIaIIoTb]

Unfortunately, I was not rude, but stated a fact. The maximum speed to which the MIG 31 accelerates is 3.400 km / h. At an altitude of 11 km, its speed in Mach is 3.2 Mach. The speed of the rocket at the time of Mach 3.2 is dropped further, it starts to accelerate due to its own engine. This is how multistage rockets are arranged, which begin to disperse the 1st stages, and the second and third (if any) output at higher speeds than the first))) What you wrote nonsense in your defense!))) So I’ll repeat the wind in your head ))) And the stupidity, which for some reason you are not afraid to show people.

[Kasym]

Vladimir, an MiG-31 with a suspension (i.e. with ammunition on it) cannot fly with 3 Machs. Especially dropping ammunition at this speed. There are limitations.

[JIaIIoTb]

Yes, this is not even a question here; I will not argue with you here. Even if there is no Mach 3.2 at the time of the reset, the main thing is that the rocket does not need to be accelerated from scratch. MIG 31 was also created in order to bring down satellites in orbit. The missile was not assembled what it is necessary, I think the time will come to collect. So the "Dagger" is easier than knocking out satellites.

[Vadim237]

This missile probably has a turbojet engine - an analogue of the 53T6 missile, it has an acceleration of up to 15,5 Machs.

[Igar]

The fact is, if we are really talking about them, is that in any case the rocket itself MUST BE hypersonic. And no matter what the speed of the carrier - 0 Mach, or 5 Mach. In other words, a rocket that has its own maximum speed in 4 Max will not become hypersonic if it is dropped from the carrier at speed in 5 Max (for example).

[seos]

Iskander was originally a hypersonic missile 6-7 mach.
Iskander consumes energy to climb to a height of 50 km, when launched from the carrier there will be no unnecessary energy consumption ... hence the range of 2000 km and a speed of 10 m

[axxmanm]

Quote: JIaIIoTb

The speed of the rocket at the time of Mach 3.2 is dropped further, it starts to accelerate due to its own engine. This is how multistage missiles are arranged, which begin to disperse the 1st stages, and the second and third (if any) are output at higher speeds than the first)))

In principle, you're right - that's just the reset speed for sure - not Mach 3 - much less.
But the very fact of a drop at a high altitude (a sharp decrease in gravitational and aerodynamic losses) + a drop speed of 1 max (or even subsonic speed of 0,9 Mach) may well give an additional 3 Mach to the final speed of the ground ground iskander of 6 Mach. Which, in principle, will give a total of approximately 10 mach.

[axxmanm]

Under MiG 31, it was planned to suspend a Ishim rocket weighing ~ 10 tons.
Ishim was supposed to be launched from an altitude of 15-18 km at a speed of 2100-2200 km / h.
Accordingly, a lighter dagger-iskander can be launched with even larger initial parameters of speed and height.
I would venture to assume 20 km at a speed of 2400 km / h

[Alekseev]

Quote: IGAR

Oh gospadi ... But where do you come from

That's right!
Where do citizens come from who do not have any detailed information about this (Sov. Secret, by the way) weapons system, except for leaks and leaks, but who have the same opinions as academics?
What speed is there, how much, hear the “swings” and what is the difference between this and that, etc.?
This is not for average minds. This, you understand, should not be known to everyone for certain, but only "parts directly related".
Who is clear and that the characteristics of the new weapons systems, if not 100%, but quite fully, will be brought to the "partners". Like TTX Kalibov
For it is better to see once than to hear 100 times, albeit from the lips of the president.

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: Alekseev

Like TTX Kalibov

I completely agree with you. Until recently, all the liberal husk and our "well-wishers" in the west were convinced that the Caliber did not fly beyond 300 km

[Conserp]

Alternative intelligent citizens pro MTCR still not in the know ...

[bacr]

If for a ground launch a speed of 6M is reached, then for an air launch of the same rocket a much higher speed will be achieved, for example 10M. The fighter is like the first stage, but what was one stage will work like the second stage

[JIaIIoTb]

Thanks Bacr! I'm trying to explain it to our gifted alternatives! But I’m still the one who explains me, or they are so alternative!

[JIaIIoTb]

Here for the alternative-gifted! See https://topwar.ru/137564-razrabotka-kinzhala-shla
-odnovremenno-s-modernizaciey-mig-31.html

[Serg nik]

If the aircraft has an air-jet engine, then it is subject to all the same restrictions on the pressure head and inlet air temperature. These limitations are not energy, but strength and aero-thermoelasticity. Typically, the "transfer" of a rocket from a ground complex to an aircraft only allows you to abandon the starting engine (or first stage).

[freejack]

Appeal to BO:
Dear, why do you post here videos of some liberoid - dermocratic ushlepok. ????? With this verbal diarrhea now the whole terrified world is seething (and the Internet, too) ... Then it will be easier for me not to go here for info, but to liberoid sites !!!!! ...

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: freejack

why do you post here videos of some liberoid - dermocratic ushlepok. ????? With this verbal diarrhea now the whole terrified world is seething

Let's start a propaganda barrel organ, let's listen and appreciate it.

Quote: freejack

Then it will be easier for me not to go here for info, but to liberoid sites !!!!

kissel-tv is much more informative for you, go there and to the restroom.

[Every]

Quote: freejack

Appeal to BO:
Dear, why do you post here videos of some liberoid - dermocratic ushlepok. ????? With this verbal diarrhea now the whole terrified world is seething (and the Internet, too) ... Then it will be easier for me not to go here for info, but to liberoid sites !!!!! ...

On the contrary, let it be placed, but only not complete nonsense of course.
And so, there is the opportunity to read, listen to what and most importantly what, advanced liberals think. And when they finally turn in, poke their faces into their own verbal discharge.
Anyway, it’s better to get information from different sources, and then think about it and make a conclusion.

[Radical]

Quote: freejack

Appeal to BO:
Dear, why do you post here videos of some liberoid - dermocratic ushlepok. ????? With this verbal diarrhea now the whole terrified world is seething (and the Internet, too) ... Then it will be easier for me not to go here for info, but to liberoid sites !!!!! ...

You have a better offer! Create your own special site for cheers-patriots - only there you can be comfortable!

[Romulus]

[quote = Anti-Corr.]
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Anti-Corr. Today, 14:07 ↑ New
Quote: freejack
why do you post here videos of some liberoid - dermocratic ushlepok. ????? With this verbal diarrhea now the whole terrified world is seething

Let's start a propaganda barrel organ, let's listen and appreciate it.
Quote: freejack
Then it will be easier for me not to go here for info, but to liberoid sites !!!!

kissel-tv is much more for you
bro .. don’t answer the earplugs .. you yourself understand before the ban two plekVKa - modernization for the wrong comma will fit))

[freejack]

Yes, I don’t answer them .... Why should I dirty myself? I turned to the admins! Chet they bred like locusts ... Is this before the election or what?

[Wolka]

even so, Iskander didn’t become worse from this, he beats far and exactly in the hole ...

[MKPU-115]

[/ Quote]
kissel-tv is much more informative for you, go there to the restroom. [/ quote]
Ukrainians, change the flag and observe the limits of decency, it will not censor.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: freejack

Appeal to BO:
Dear, why do you post here videos of some liberoid - dermocratic ushlepok. ????? With this verbal diarrhea now the whole terrified world is seething (and the Internet, too) ... Then it will be easier for me not to go here for info, but to liberoid sites !!!!! ...

You have a better offer! Create your own special site for cheers-patriots - only there you can be comfortable!

They are already there:
1. Tymchuk "information resistance"
2. "Censornet"

[Palagecha]

Interestingly, if the "Dagger" really exists, then is it not enough for him carriers in the form of the MiG-31 ...

[Vadim237]

What’s interesting here is something else, like launching an air missile — launching a surface with a range of 2000 kilometers from an interceptor with a radar that works only for air targets?

[Conserp]

Do you even turn on the brain before writing something like this?

First, target designation for all such missiles is external.

Secondly, the modernized "Barrier" has modes of operation on the ground.

[Vadim237]

The operator must know where to launch it, without additional avionics, this cannot be done - at least for some purpose.

[TLT163]

What does an airplane radar have to do with it? 2000km is in any situation far beyond the radio horizon. And to determine its own coordinates there is a glonass

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Palagecha

MiG-31

The combat strength of the units is about 120-130 vehicles. Of these, 60 pieces were upgraded about the BM program and a second contract for the modernization of about the same amount was signed.
Source: https://fishki.net/1683518-zachem-rossii-mig-31.h
tml © Fishki.net

[NN52]

Well, in general, the upgrade to BM began, if memory serves in 2013, is designed for 8 years, 60 boards. Not all of the 60 are still modernized.
They haven’t given money for the batch yet, because it is not yet clear how to convert from a simple 31 into 31 BSM
So we can stay with only 60 sides upgraded ....

[Viktor Petrov]

The MIG-31 already has enough workloads for our length of the border, so that even aircraft carriers were chased, the anti-satellite missile was the fastest to be demonstrated, in the USSR 8 aircraft (from open sources) were made with such suspension units, they seem to have been restored or will be restored in the near future, such a small hint to SOI lovers.

[soldatt22]

Schnick from this video is an ordinary liberalist, he didn’t even listen. Such creatures served Hitler before him against their own country. It is a pity that the GDP is good .....

[MKPU-115]

Quote: IGAR

forgot to add a fair wind

If only you in the ass and a drum around your neck, Thomas is an unbeliever.

[shinobi]

What does this mean by question? Operating speed is 9M723,6mah. Hypersound starts at 5. For rockets of this class and the like, acceleration to the first space issue is advisable. In general, I don’t understand all this bubbling about hypersound in our press. These mattresses need to somehow explain their “successes” and where the sickly appropriations have resolved.

[freejack]

. These mattresses need to somehow explain their "success"

By the way, it was there (in the west) that no one doubted or questioned ... Apparently their intelligence ... hmm ... a little "smarter" than our liberoid expert mass (for some reason, in black masks *) ...
* probably mowing under Daesh until now.
** Py. Sy. Even if we assume that we had a flying “Iskander” coming up, then it is unlikely that this would please anyone in the west !!!

[kaz.juriy]

In measures of length, the wavelength is measured. Frequency is in Hertz, teach physics the laps!

[kaz.juriy]

Quote: kaz.juriy

In measures of length, the wavelength is measured. Frequency is in Hertz, teach physics the laps!

[TOR2]

Someone expressed his opinion, so what. Why react so violently in discussions. As Vysotsky wrote
If topics arise there - immediately remove, -
It’s not necessary to beat, but not penetrate - to explain!
Based on what was stated in the video, “Dagger” turned out to be an air version of “Iskander”. Well, the official range of the Iskander is 500km. The carrier should not enter the airspace controlled by the enemy, and this author does not question. Then why do we need such a complex? This question is somehow interesting hanging off screen. An increase in range will lead to an increase in the mass of the rocket, and for an air carrier this is critical. Before throwing pebbles at Dushenov, it would not hurt the author to reveal the topic completely, rather than tear out a short context.

[Pbs]

You should at least read something about the topic of air launch before you get into a discussion. Oh, these couch analysts. And in the video - the person correctly placed the accents, tired of reading nonsense about ramjet.

[TOR2]

Why are you writing this under my post? Then the specialist will be kind enough to reveal the topic to the end. What is a similar complex for?

[Dead duck]

He knows everything, but he didn’t understand the main thing ...

[Ghosh]

I think that the carrier in the form is chosen not so much (or not only) because of the high speed, but because of the large dynamic ceiling. In addition, about the range of 2000 km at the Dagger and 500 km at the ground prototype - do not forget that the range of the ground instance may be limited not so much technically as legally (the INF Treaty), and the Dagger does not have such a restriction.

[Every]

At least one person said about the contract. And it’s already tired of 500 km - 500 km, it’s impossible anymore under the contract, that’s 500 km. (480 more precisely) And how many can technically just not say. .

[shahor]

Very specific, evidence-based material. The author is a big plus.
"Patriots" - adherents of unknown frequencies, learn, no, not a materiel, it's hard for you. Entertaining physics for elementary grades. And many new things will be revealed to you.

[Conserp]

A master to give advice - but you would not follow your advice yourself and learn physics.

You can work with plasma, and there are many ways.

[Conserp]

Do you seriously consider “The Boy in the Mask” a mega-expert or an insider?

I periodically go to his canal - poke another rough blooper with my nose.

The character makes commercials, of course, quite good. Against the background of all sorts of especially. But there are gross blunders. Often brings him. Well, he has a lot of empty pseudo-techno-terminological chatter - the videos could have been half as long if he hadn’t made an iksperd out of himself.

[Wade Wilson]

Well, specifically in this vidos where he made a mistake?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Wade Wilson

Well, specifically in this vidos where he made a mistake?

And who said that he was wrong?
He said stupidity with a smart look.

[Wade Wilson]

Why nonsense? Explain, please.

[Conserp]

Quote: Wade Wilson

Well, specifically in this vidos where he made a mistake?

It is in this vidos that the gross errors are as follows. Aplomb adds degrees.

The first stupidity is "Putin’s speech was written by an illiterate fool." The boy is projecting.

The term "aeroballistic missile" was not coined by journalists, and has nothing to do with launch from an airplane. An aeroballistic rocket is a rocket that flies not only along a ballistic trajectory (like an abandoned stone), but uses aerodynamic lift and is controlled aerodynamically.

Plasma opacity for radio waves is not an “axiom” at all, but a solvable technical problem. Moreover, it can be solved in a variety of ways, and it is now actively being solved with varying degrees of success.

Accordingly, crap about the "lack of hypersound" or "the impossibility of homing" (and he does not know about the Pershing-2 he mentioned).

Finally, about the "specially modified flying laboratory, not related to serial boards" (and, accordingly, "Putin is all over!"), It also turned out enchanting crap.

[Procyon lotor]

Yes, the videos are quite good, but the fact that during the presentation of Putin, where the video hit Iskander, sorry “Kinshala”, was riveted from two different materials.

[Vadim237]

This rocket does not look like Iskander at all - it looks more like a rocket from the OTRK Oka.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Vadim237

This rocket does not look like Iskander at all

And so?

[FRAME]

Not a fan of the sabchak and oval, Putin’s speech once again shows that around him, the absolute are not professionals, Putin is absolutely not a technical person, that they gave him something and read it! The photo is clearly solid fuel rocket whose parents are Iskander or OKA

[FRAME]

flying at hypersonic speed ........... this is not correct ................. you carefully look at the photo again, this product cannot develop hyper sound speed throughout the flight, it’s not a hyper sound object, if only because it has no signs of air intakes, hyper sound is achieved by blowing air, watch the video masked person! without unnecessary emotions) and the direct-flow hyper sound engine circuit that I posted!

[Conserp]

I won’t even mock it.

[FRAME]

Yes, as for the direct-flow system, I went wrong, I’m wrong, I admit) I want to understand the definitions of hypersound, what is a hypersonic aircraft, is it a device with a constant hypersonic speed or will it also be hyper-sonic for a short period of time?

[FRAME]

Hyper sound, is it constant speed? BALLISTIC rocket Sarmat can be called a hyper sound rocket?

[FRAME]

The principle of operation of the engine with hyper sound capabilities

[Vadim237]

There is no ramjet engine on this rocket - only a turbojet engine.

[Conserp]

He thinks that hypersound is when there is a forward-flow pipe.

Funny one.

[FRAME]

Yes, as for the direct-flow system, I went wrong, I’m wrong, I admit) I want to understand the definitions of hypersound, what is a hypersonic aircraft, is it a device with a constant hypersonic speed or will it also be hyper-sonic for a short period of time?

[FRAME]

Hyper sound, is it constant speed? BALLISTIC rocket Sarmat can be called a hyper sound rocket?

[Alexander Yesipov]

All comments are fortune-telling on coffee grounds! For one purpose only, to find a talker who can shed light! But there were none. The light will be in combat use !!!

[FRAME]

Any propaganda should work on faith! not myths

[FRAME]

Quote: FRAME

flying at hypersonic speed ........... this is not correct ................. you carefully look at the photo again, this product cannot develop hyper sound speed throughout the flight, it’s not a hyper sound object, if only because it has no signs of air intakes, hyper sound is achieved by blowing air, watch the video masked person! without unnecessary emotions) and the direct-flow hyper sound engine circuit that I posted!

Any hypersonic ramjet has fuel injectors, a combustion chamber, a nozzle and an AIR INTAKE that compresses the incoming air stream. Sometimes a flame holder is also included in the engine, although the braking temperature of the flow in the focus area of ​​the density waves is high enough for self-sufficient combustion. Other engines use pyrophoric additives, such as silanes, to bypass combustion stability problems. An insulator between the air intake and the combustion chamber is often used to extend engine performance.

[Conserp]

Quote: FRAME

Any hypersonic ramjet

But what if the rocket is hypersonic but does not have ramjet?

Does God help? Checkmate, amethysts!

[Pbs]

Finally, an adequate opinion. From fairy tales about ramjet on 10 max, the monitor simply expired with fat. In any case, the launch of a ballistic missile with a range of 2000 km to an air launch, and even providing guidance on a moving target in the final segment - this is really a big breakthrough. And even if it is possible to adjust the place of impact, but it is possible to reach the target in a couple of minutes, a tactical nuclear warhead will solve the problem with a lack of accuracy. For a long time I wondered why the military did not want to use the idea of ​​an air launch to increase range - it turned out that I was not the only one so smart.

[askme]

Only one thing has come down to people like you: a missile is not ballistic, but aeroballistic, i.e. it flies exclusively in the atmosphere, which according to generally accepted characteristics means a flight altitude of up to 100 km, higher - near space. A ballistic missile with a range of 2000 km has 460 km of altitude at the peak of a parabola, with an initial speed after AUT 11,7 M (this does not take into account aerodynamic drag) and an angle of encounter with the Earth of 44 degrees. This is just a section of physics - ballistics. At the declared speed of 10M, the range will be less (if these 10M are at the end of the ATF and the beginning of the ballistic section of the trajectory). In the region of 1500 km (taking into account the atmosphere). Thus, the "Dagger" - in no way can be a ballistic missile for 2000 km with an initial speed of 10M. Just in accordance with the laws of ballistics. Dot.

[Every]

Quote: askme

At the declared speed of 10M, the range will be less (if these 10M are at the end of the ATF and the beginning of the ballistic section of the trajectory). In the region of 1500 km (taking into account the atmosphere).

Based on what calculationsHave you come to such conclusions?
If you take the right to make such categorical judgments:

"Dagger" - can not be a ballistic missile for 2000 km at an initial speed of 10M. Just in accordance with the laws of ballistics. Dot.

If you take on such a right, then you must have the necessary knowledge and be able to independently carry out the calculations.
In order not to be unfounded, and answer for your words, lay out the calculations at what speed the rocket can have a range of 2000 km. (namely, calculations, with numbers and formulas).

[utas216]

The question is not posed correctly. At what speed can a rocket have a range of 2000 km? answer: with any. It is necessary to take into account the time of acceleration, friction, etc. So the supply of fuel and oxidizer is limited. And for aeroballistic speeds, the engine must run continuously.

[Cyril Troekurych]

Pirimerno 4400 m / s

[Procyon lotor]

Well, as you know, for true patriots, the laws of ballistics or physics, this is a purely liberoid invention to annoy the national leader.

[Pbs]

Urgently learn materiel. A modern rocket that flies along a purely ballistic trajectory without active sites is a potentially shot down rocket. They are called ballistic only because fuel is saved by ballistics. And the term "aeroballistic" does not exist at all.

[Conserp]

The term "network-centricity" does not exist in old books either. And what?

[Cyril Troekurych]

next run
from Russia ganjal will hit the target in syria
scientific foresight and no nails

[Ivan 333]

I agree to 100% the next specialist who, judging by the voice, only graduated from school, an expert horseradish))

[Ivan 333]

I suspect that our expert is a brother, that he improved tanks in Ukraine) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NekUbFR4DX4

[macgyver]

Is that cardboard glued armor? )))

[macgyver]

The main thing is a mobile and almost invulnerable platform for launching a rocket in the form of the fastest, highest altitude, most vigilant fighter-interceptor. And on the basis of which particular missile it was all developed not so important ... at least on the basis of V-2))
At 10 max - it is not visible and inaccessible by any means of missile defense.

[Serg nik]

At 10M, the rocket is clearly visible in the entire spectrum of emissions, because this is practically BOLID;) the interceptor radar is absolutely useless on ground targets at a range of 2000 km. To have the fundamental ability to "highlight" the target at such a range, you have to climb 250 km.
The platform, perhaps, is not very vulnerable, but the airfields for its base are not. They, unlike ground-based complexes, cannot be dispersed or hidden. And it’s not a matter of turning interceptors - with their scanty number! - to strike aircraft. Who will then reflect the massive Tomahawk raids? And the rest is a good development and a decent response to equipping the F-15 with long-range cruise missiles.

[macgyver]

A car in a cloud of plasma on radars is invisible. This is the phenomenon. And by what way are you going to shoot down a maneuvering missile at 10m along an unpredictable trajectory? You don’t need to highlight the target, Iskander does not need a backlight ... this is not the class of missiles.

[kig]

I looked ... the video is absolutely advertising and filmed either unprofessionally or specifically so that competitors do not understand anything. In any case, those who wish to question him will have many clues. At the time of launch, the carrier aircraft is not visible. There is nothing to compare the speed of a rocket with - any rocket launched from a moving object will be faster than it. Advertised incredible maneuverability not shown, hitting the target either. I don’t even know whether to put MO minus or plus.

[17085]

This opus is not relevant. Yesterday showed at least two media. The author is an evil monster with a claim to full knowledge of even the most secret issues. Why so much anger and stupidity? An "air-based ballistic missile" just the brain endures. I barely listened. Assassinated expert.

[17085]

By the way,

Quote: 17085

"Air-based ballistic missile"

the same experts came up with the idea of ​​ballistic missile launch. There were such plans and even experiments in the second half of the last century.

[fellow countryman]

we have nothing, Putin is just bluffing

[Conserp]

Not true! This is not Putin, the real Putin has long died !!!

Where do you get out of ...

[Cossack 471]

When planes rushing through the sky with a deafening roar. I immediately think "we have nothing." those that fly --- fake.

[watches]

I will not go into the technical side of the reasoning of the author of the video, but I will ask only a few questions.
1. What is the purpose of this video?
2. Where did the author get expert status?
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The answer to the first question is obvious, ahead of the election. The answer to the second question requires clarification. Judging by the overtones of the voice, the author is around 22-25 years old. The presentation of the topic is superficial, but I studied the topic. This is most likely a student of a specialized university, with an ambition for omniscience. The comrade did not have time to walk the expert fat. More like a bulk.

[vkfriendly]

What kind of “Makar” did this “expert” appear here, why are you attracting admins to shkolot, like adults are sitting here.

[ilik54]

From the Bible.
The New Testament (Gospel of John, chap. 20, vv. 24-29) tells how one of the disciples of Jesus, the apostle Thomas, did not believe the news of the resurrection of the crucified Christ and said:
“If I do not see the wounds of the nails on his hands, and I do not put my finger in the wounds of nails,
and I will not put my hands in his ribs (a Roman soldier pierced Jesus crucified with his spear
Chest of Christ, to be sure of his death), I will not believe. "
Then Jesus turned to Thomas with the words: “Put your finger here and see My hands;
give your hand and put it in my ribs; and do not be an unbeliever ... "

[Pacifist]

Hypersound boundary conditionally accepted from 5 max.
The Iskander-M missile has a range of ~> 500 km and a speed of 2100 m / s.
At the ground, the speed corresponding to Mach 1 will be approximately 340 m / s at an altitude of ~ 11 km ~ 295 m / s. In order not to break the spears, we take an average of 319 m / s. Total we get that the standard Iskander rocket is already moving with a speed of ~ 6.5 max, i.e. it is conditionally hypersonic and works great ... already ... for a long time.
The declared range of the Dagger complex is 2000 km, which indicates the completion of at least the engine, with a likely increase in its characteristics. Do I believe that the ROC on improving the existing and perfectly functioning rocket could increase its speed and speed characteristics by 1.5 times and range by 4? Yes I believe you. Is there any need to talk about new physical principles ... I don’t know, for sure something from materials science and plasma physics was used there. We still don’t know exactly the state secret, however. Is such a weapon so revolutionary? It’s hard to say, it’s rather evolution. Is it a serious argument for "partners"? Definitely yes! Therefore, breaking the spears on the topic "we lied" I think is empty. Normal work is underway to increase defense capability. And the president’s statement on this issue is also part of it. The way it was presented is a very good example that you can beat "partners" in the wort not only with a club, but also with a show.

[vkfriendly]

Why would speed at an altitude of 11 km be lower than that of the earth, maybe vice versa. In rarefied air, you didn’t know less resistance, or do planes just like to fly there? And the dagger was launched at all from the stratosphere.

[Lbvsushi]

And that’s not why it flies 2000 km, but because at first the plane is lucky, and then it flies down, and not up, and the speed is greater. Well, probably, they also finalized ... that the same thing needs to be further developed)))

[- = ANTRAX = -]

it's the same schoolboy ...

[Lbvsushi]

Hi all!
I listened to it all, struggled with temptation for a couple of days and decided to leave a comment anyway .. although I usually didn’t hang out with it.
He graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute in the armament department. I forgot almost everything, but I remember something else.
Of course, the author of the video was very convincing, but ...
First, let's just think about physics.
The Iskander rocket develops at a start from the ground of 2-2,5 Mach. At the same time it rises to a height of about 50 km and from there dives to its destination. At the finish, he has a speed of about 6-7 Machs. This is official background information. I think that even at this stage it is possible not to continue further. In this case, a significant part of the engine's energy is spent on lifting, i.e. to overcome gravity and air resistance (especially at the initial stage of lifting). What do you think will happen with the speed of a rocket if it is raised to a height of 15-22 km. and disperse before the start of rocket engines to 2-2,35 Machs? Correctly! Its speed will increase and increase greatly! because the energy of the engines will be spent on acceleration, and not on the rise, i.e. it is not necessary to overcome gravity, moreover, this force will participate in acceleration, because acceleration of free fall, in common people called G))) g = 9,8 m sec per second no one canceled; Also, the initial speed of the rocket will be equal to the speed of the carrier, and not 0, as when starting from the ground, and even the air density at this height, you will not believe me, but it is 10-20 !!! (depending on height) times less than that when starting from the surface of the earth. Well, tell me now what conclusions have you come to? You can of course still write a couple of formulas from the physics textbook ala V = V0 + at .... We sorted out this question.
Regarding the guidance system ... I don’t know where our “Expert” took it, that the guidance head is there radar? - from open sources, the Iskander 9M723 missile is guided by Glonas (such a Russian GPS), BIS (airborne inertial system - roughly speaking, it is airborne independent of Glonas Glonas))) or both, and at the finish it can also be used with an optical IR head , which directs the rocket in the reference image. I remember that for the optical head finally can’t give a damn about this hypersound and all its airplanes, barriers, etc. (I finally forgot the aerodynamics)))). The radar head, I could be wrong, is also there, but on a cruise subsonic missile that flies 7 meters from the surface - slowly ...

[Stalnov I.P.]

The fact that it is hypersonic, is it definitely Iskander or not, it is not so important, it flies at a speed of more than 10 Machs, I draw attention to this, therefore. that our media do not correctly interpret the statements of the President, read his speech, he says more than 10 Machs, more than 2000 km, more than 20 Machs (Vanguard), this affects the combat capabilities of missiles more significantly, or it flies 2000 km, or more 2500 km., There is a difference, 10 Machs or more than 10 Machs, for example 12, and this is more than 6 km per second, there is a difference, more than 20 Machs, and 21 Mach is more than 6 km per second, there is a difference, and here it is more, I think very annoying opponents. Yes, our military loves to underestimate the capabilities of their weapons, unlike the west, screaming at every intersection about the best in the world, although this is not so in most cases, I think the GDP didn’t use this word MORE for some reason, let the enemies think, this is now their problem.

[russianbush]

I agree, kings often (always) write speeches, but who, the little naughty lady told you what he thinks about, knows what the king himself understands?

[Skifotavr]

I have already seen the "masterpieces" of this "expert." I admit, this time he surprised me with the absence of rudeness, insults, all kinds of nonsense and a twitching face mask. But I have to upset him: the term "aeroballistic" missile was not invented by journalists, but still military specialists, and the term "hypersonic aeroballistic" also exists and has been used since the advent of the Soviet X-15 missile. I have a military encyclopedia of a Western publishing house translated into Russian - and it is present there, although it is certainly not a hypersonic missile with a ramjet engine. In the video, which was in circulation, of course they showed nonsense in some places, and even at low altitude 10M will not be self-explanatory, but he himself, before cleverly discussing at what altitudes what speed the Dagger can have, should take an interest to what height it rises and then dives and think whether there is an optical-correlation homing head on it at all, because the development of inertial GOS does not stand still and Russia, as far as I know, is making progress in this.

[Saint George]

How, in the author’s opinion, did the X-22 Meteor guidance system work, which has a plasma generator on board?