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Why did the Baltic States happily meet the Soviet authorities?

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In 1940, the independent Baltic states - Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia - ceased to exist and became part of the Soviet Union with the rights of the Union Republics - the Lithuanian SSR, the Latvian SSR and the Estonian SSR, respectively. This event was preceded by the introduction of Soviet troops on the territory of the Baltic states. It began back in 1939, when the republics maintained their political independence, but due to the changed situation they were forced to conclude mutual aid pacts.


According to mutual assistance pacts, the Baltic countries provided the Soviet Union with access to their ports and agreed to the deployment of Soviet troops on their territory. On October 18, 1939, Soviet troops entered Estonia, where the 65th Special Rifle Corps and the Special Air Force Group were stationed. On October 29, units of the 2nd Special Rifle Corps and the 18th aviation brigades, and in November - December the 16th Rifle Corps, 10th Fighter and 31st High-Speed ​​Bomber Aviation Regiments entered Lithuania.

Today, in all the Baltic states, the events of that time are perceived and evaluated unequivocally - as a Soviet occupation, a great national tragedy. Entire myths were created about how the Soviet Union treacherously occupied the Baltic republics, eliminated their political systems, destroyed officers, officials and businessmen and established a tough dictatorship. But these are modern and very tendentious assessments reflecting the point of view of certain sections of the population of these countries. Pravda is not universal - it was different for a Latvian peasant and a Latvian industrialist, a Lithuanian landowner and a Lithuanian laborer, an Estonian entrepreneur and an Estonian unemployed.

Why did the Baltic States happily meet the Soviet authorities?


A significant part of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians was met by Soviet soldiers with flowers, and this is not Soviet propaganda, but historical fact. Nobody put up any fierce resistance to the Soviet troops, as it might have been in the case of a real invasion and occupation, neither in Lithuania, nor in Latvia, nor in Estonia. Although these countries had armies, there were men who served in them, there were police officers, but the entire operation to enter the three republics into the USSR was extremely peaceful. Does this happen during a real occupation?

What was the Baltic before joining the Soviet Union? The three republics that emerged as a result of the collapse of the Russian empire were hardly called prosperous states. Given their size, population, lack of serious natural resources, the Baltic states were doomed to remain on the outskirts of Eastern Europe.

So, for Lithuania 1930-ies, as виilvinas Butkus writes about, there was a tremendous social stratification. At one extreme were those few Lithuanians who really lived well - nobles, bourgeoisie, officials, status intelligentsia, on the other - workers, peasants, unemployed (of which, by the way, there were 200 thousand people in this small country). The average salary of a female employee, for example, was only 70 LTL, and the subsistence minimum of one person was 91,6 LTL. The majority of the country's population lived in poverty, and the “Damocles sword” of dismissal constantly hung above the simple workers and employees. Any economic crisis — and workers were cut in batches. Could, of course, expel and simply because they did not like the owner or someone from the leadership.

Three quarters of the population of Lithuania at that time were peasants. And these were by no means well-to-do farmers in cozy cottages, but a hungry and embittered mass of farm laborers and agricultural workers who were living in real huts — ruin, which the inhabitants of some African colonies of the time would not envy. Agricultural workers were even more powerless than their urban counterparts, because if the city could at least hope for another job, the farm laborers in the village were deprived of this opportunity - where to go, if the whole village, for example, one or two well-to-do landowners , and the remaining residents are struggling to survive on negligible earnings.



When in the modern literature on “Soviet occupation” they bring memories of life in pre-Soviet Lithuania (as well as Latvia and Estonia), then, of course, they forget to add that these memories were left not by factory workers, laborers or the unemployed, who were the majority of the population, intellectuals, clergy, bourgeois. They really lived quite well, better than in Soviet times, and they were overwhelmed by the fact that their former well-fed life, which guaranteed them a “top position”, had ended.

The bulk of workers and farm laborers in Lithuania were very critical of the existing government. Therefore, it is not surprising that the majority of Lithuanians did not offer any resistance to the Soviet troops. Ordinary citizens of the country, if they didn’t welcome Lithuania’s entry into the Soviet Union, didn’t see anything wrong with that, were indifferent.

The situation in Estonia was even worse. In this small country, up to half of the population were agricultural farm laborers and urban paupers who fought for any kind of work in order to survive. Severe living conditions contributed to high mortality, the spread of tuberculosis and other diseases. Of course, both medicine and secondary education were paid, inaccessible to at least half of the country's population. Unemployment in Estonia in the second half of the 1930-s has reached horrific proportions. The situation in industry and agriculture was such that many workers were left without work. In order to reduce social tension and eliminate the risks of riots and revolutions, the Estonian authorities actively resorted to the practice of labor camps - the so-called “idle camps” in which the unemployed placed there worked for free, under food, under police protection. The working day in such camps was 12 hours, corporal punishment was practiced, and the unemployed were placed in such conditions for a period of six months to two to three years. Very democratic, is not it?

While in the Russian Empire, the territory of Estonia was a rather economically developed region with large centers like Revel (Tallinn) and Narva, in 1930 the level of industrial production could not even come close to the pre-revolutionary one. This, of course, was explained by the fact that during the First World War the Germans brought up to 70-80% of industrial equipment, but the political impotence factor of the Estonian authorities, who were unable to find effective ways to reanimate the national economy, also played an important role.

Now, many Estonian authors write that in the 1930-s there was almost a rapid growth of the country's economy, but they themselves recognize a huge number of unemployed and other social problems. Of course, Estonia continued to export paper, meat and dairy products, and timber, but export revenues went into the pockets of business owners and officials, with little or no effect on the average standard of living of the country's population. The majority of the Estonians lived in poverty and, therefore, either welcomed the Soviet government or reacted neutrally to its arrival. If ordinary Estonians lived well in their country, wouldn't they want to defend it by any means possible? But no, the Estonians quite calmly met the Soviet troops.

To whom it is certainly a sin to complain about the “Soviet occupation” is Latvia, given the role of Latvian riflemen in the revolutionary events and the Civil War in Russia, the active participation of the Latvian communists in government in the Soviet Union. Speaking about the "horrors of the GULAG", modern Latvian sources forget that many prominent leaders of the Cheka / OGPU / NKVD, including the structures directly responsible for the places of detention, were from Latvia.

In the interwar period, Latvia was, of course, a more developed country than Lithuania or Estonia, but also a state that was not devoid of the deepest social problems. In the year 1934, by the way, the dictatorship of Karlis Ulmanis was established in the country, which pursued a nationalist and authoritarian policy. Indeed, under his leadership, the Latvian economy has revived slightly, but this did not reflect much on the standard of living of ordinary Latvians. Salaries remained low, attitudes on the part of employers — bestial, social infrastructure — inaccessible to the general population. The overall level of culture and education remained low. It was after the “Soviet occupation” in Latvia that the real flowering of the national culture began, and Riga turned into one of the main cultural and economic centers of the entire Soviet Union.

The industry of Latvia employed only 15% of the population. This, of course, was more than in a fully agrarian Lithuania (there, in factories, only 6% of the population worked in factories), but still Latvia remained a predominantly agricultural country. Huge lands were in the hands of large owners, and the number of landless peasant laborers approached 200 thousands. Naturally, the position of the peasants who did not have their own land was very difficult. They could either flee to the city with the hope of getting a job at the enterprise, or go to the laborers to the neighboring landowner. That, in turn, very hard exploited their work, knowing full well the hopelessness of the position of their laborers.

Unemployed, as in Estonia, attracted to forced labor, sending to peat development, where the conditions were hard labor. In modern Latvia, they like to argue that the pre-war country was almost a citadel of democracy. But under the dictatorship of Ulmanis, the Latvian authorities no less willingly than the Soviet Union accused by the Latvian press, used forced labor. Not only the unemployed worked on peat extraction, but industrial workers, if necessary, were sent to agricultural work or logging. The then "Latvian democrats" saw nothing wrong with that.

A multiethnic population lived in Latvia, 40% of whom were not ethnic Latvians. The Ostsee Germans, who owned large industrial enterprises and made up a significant part of the intelligentsia and people in liberal professions, were an influential group of the country's population. Many businesses belonged to Jewish merchants. The Russian, Latgale, Belarusian population of the country was in much worse conditions.

When the nationalist dictatorship of Ulmanis was established in 1934, the process of “latvization” of the country began. The Latvian bourgeoisie sought to knock the ground out from under their German and Jewish competitors, for which the process of transferring banks and part of enterprises into the hands of Latvian entrepreneurs was launched. At the same time, the "latvizatsiya" schooling. The position of non-Latvian groups in the country has deteriorated. Naturally, 40% of the population is almost half of its inhabitants. And he, in the face of growing Latvian nationalism, was very uncomfortable in such Latvia. Therefore, it is natural that many of them, like a large part of ordinary Latvians, did not object to the entry of Soviet troops.



It is interesting that part of the Latvian elite also positively perceived the arrival of Soviet troops. She perfectly understood that since Latvians as a nation survived and even lived well in the Russian Empire, then in the Soviet Union, especially given Soviet national politics, they will be able to maintain their identity. As practice has shown, they were not mistaken - Latvia only benefited from entering the Soviet Union. Who knows what would happen if the story goes a different way? Latvia could, for example, become part of Germany and over these decades the Latvian population would undergo total Germanization. It is possible that it was the Soviet troops that saved the Latvian people from being dissolved in "Great Germany."

The descendants of the representatives of the ruling class of Latvia who are offended by the Soviet Union today are controlled by the mass media of this country and with pleasure describe the “horrors of occupation” and almost paradise life in pre-Soviet Latvia. The anti-Soviet position taken today by the Baltic countries is one of the components of their anti-Russian and anti-Russian strategy, formed under the strict guidance of the West.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 12 March 2018 06: 11
    +5
    Why why? Their logic of life is that they are always "for those who win."
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 March 2018 07: 00
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Why why? Their logic of life is that they are always "for those who win."

      Here is what Y. Chernov writes about life in Estonia in 1940 in his book "The War Extinguished the Lighthouses": After the revolution in Russia, the bourgeoisie seized power in Estonia. Returning home was impossible. So the former soldier of the 1917th Kargopol regiment settled on Ezel. He got married and began to fish. He settled in Kuressare. ...
      - Nice city of Kuressare. In Estonian it means - crane. In the center is the bishop's castle. He is six hundred years old. There is a museum now. If you go to it, you will listen to all sorts of stories and stories.
      Our city is good, but still attracts people to their homeland, Petrograd. My brother stayed on the Porokhovykh. I have not seen each other for twenty-five years. Under the old bourgeois regime, you don't even talk about your relatives in the Soviet Union. And now, when the Soviets have won in Estonia, I will definitely visit my homeland, if the war does not interfere.
      - War ?! - Maria Yakovlevna was surprised. - With whom? With the British?
      - No. With the Germans. Although a non-aggression pact has been concluded with them, it is evident that the war cannot be avoided. And your husband and his comrades were not sent here in vain? They build batteries along the coast, as we did in XNUMX ...
      Maria Yakovlevna felt anxious in her soul from these words.
      - How do Estonians relate to Russians?
      - In every way. Fishermen and peasants with an open heart welcome the new government. And those who are richer and from the organization of the Kaycelites, those with the establishment of Soviet power across the sea moved to Sweden. But their friends are hiding here and can't wait for the German to come and everything will be as before ... "
      1. Hanokem
        Hanokem 12 March 2018 08: 59
        +6
        An article from the "alternative history" series. Undoubtedly, some of the Baltic states gladly met the Soviet occupation. But in the same way, some part of the Russians and Ukrainians gladly met the German invaders in 1941-1942.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 12 March 2018 10: 06
          +1
          everywhere you can find positive. if the Germans come to Palestine - well, maybe the Arabs will be built
          OUR SUPPORTERS WAS AND MUCH, WAS AND ENEMIES.
          IT IS POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER THE ABILITY TO LEAVE FROM THE BALTIC, AND IT IS POSSIBLE TO TEMPORARY RESETTING-CONCENTRATION BEFORE TAKING A NEW POSITION.
          20-30 YEARS A LITTLE FOR HISTORY AND "INDEPENDENCE"
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 12 March 2018 12: 50
          +3
          Quote: Hanokem
          Soviet occupation

          The squalid Nazi troll is squalid.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 12 March 2018 13: 10
            +4
            Quote: Conserp
            Quote: Hanokem
            Soviet occupation

            The squalid Nazi troll is squalid.

            And where is he wrong? Or is the "Polish campaign of the Red Army" also not an occupation? Liberation?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 12 March 2018 13: 47
              +7
              Quote: RUSS
              And where is he wrong? Or is the "Polish campaign of the Red Army" also not an occupation? Liberation?

              And this is looking for someone. For the indigenous population of those lands - liberation. And for the besiegers and other Polish visitors to Kresy Wschodnie - occupation.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 36
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                Quote: Alexey RA
                And this is looking for someone. For the indigenous population of those lands - liberation. And for the besiegers and other Polish visitors to Kresy Wschodnie - occupation.

                The Red Army reached the middle of Poland to its ancestral lands, by the way, both the Volyn massacre and Bandera are all consequences of Stalin's annexation of those Polish territories.
                1. Fisher martin
                  Fisher martin 12 March 2018 14: 52
                  +15
                  RUSS Really? What are you? And I thought that the Volyn massacre is the consequences of the rule of the Poles in these lands. And Bandera is probably an agent of the NKVD, right? Listen, I’ll give you advice - there’s nothing to say, don’t write anything, okay? Sometimes it's better to chew than talk ... to write all sorts of nonsense. You can go for a smart one.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 12 March 2018 15: 04
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                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    RUSS Really? What are you? And I thought that the Volyn massacre is the consequences of the rule of the Poles in these lands.

                    Do you justify the massacre?
                    Why was it necessary to attach the Ukrainians to the Uniates? Did they ask for this? They did not grieve under the Poles, but we, as Americans, came with our own charter, in return we received the UPA and OUN.
                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    Listen, I’ll give you advice - there’s nothing to say, don’t write anything, okay?

                    Old man, I’m telling you once again to advise you can only your wife, and recommend to everyone else, have you agreed?
                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    Sometimes chewing is better than talking.

                    Well, you probably know better, a lover of chewing gum.
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 12 March 2018 15: 51
                      +11
                      Quote: RUSS
                      They did not grieve under the Poles, but we, as Americans, came with our own charter, in return we received the UPA and OUN.

                      We have not received the UPA and OUN. We inherited them from the Poles, against whom the Ukrainian nationalist fighting was created. By the same not grieving under the Poles by the Ukrainians.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 32
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                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        We did not receive UPA and OUN. We inherited them from the Poles

                        For a start, look at the years of creation of the UPA and OUN and their goals, before saying that we inherited them.
                    2. Fisher martin
                      Fisher martin 12 March 2018 15: 52
                      +3
                      “Do you justify the massacre?” - You justify the massacre. "Why did you need to attach the Ukrainians Ukrainians? Did they ask for it? We didn’t live under the Poles, but we, as Americans, came with our charter, we received the UPA and the OUN in response" ------- And where does Bandera and the Volyn massacre ? Or before that there was love between the locals and the Poles? If they loved each other so much, where did they get such a massacre? Do you even know where all these OUNs came from, etc.? Or you just have nothing to say, huh? “The old man, I tell you again, you can only advise your wife, and recommend to everyone else, okay?” - The old man dangles between your legs and does not get up. All your posts are more like senile marasmus, so you have an "old man" not only between your legs, but also in your head. Moreover, a complete "old man." "Well, you probably know better, a lover of chewing gum" - Chew, shake it is not harmful to you. Can empty brains do something. Be healthy, don't cough.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Fisher Martin
                        Be healthy, don't cough.

                        The fishman is no longer arguing with you, adies! hi
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 12 March 2018 15: 49
                  +7
                  Quote: RUSS
                  The red army reached the middle of Poland to its ancestral lands

                  More precisely - to the border with East Prussia.
                  Quote: RUSS
                  by the way, both the Volyn massacre and Bandera are all the consequences of Stalin's annexation of those Polish territories

                  Massacres and other violent acts are the result of violent polonization.
                  By the way, was Stalin also to blame for the atrocities of the Poles on the Ukrainian and Belarusian lands in 1920?
            2. Fisher martin
              Fisher martin 12 March 2018 13: 48
              +5
              RUSS - "The Polish campaign of the Red Army" is also not an occupation? "----- And not so, that part of these territories before the First World War generally belonged to the Austrians, and the other part of the Republic of Ingushetia? line "Curzon line" heard something?
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 32
                +1
                Poland in 1939 was an independent state, and to whom it used to belong was another matter.
              2. lesnik1978
                lesnik1978 12 March 2018 17: 12
                +9
                The "Polish" campaign of the Red Army is the liberation of the Belarusians from the horrors of the Polish occupation, liberation from violent polonization (you need to learn history).
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 12 March 2018 17: 31
                  0
                  Quote: lesnik1978
                  The "Polish" campaign of the Red Army is the liberation of the Belarusians from the horrors of the Polish occupation, liberation from violent polonization (you need to learn history).

                  Nonsense, what's the horror? What are you composing?
                  Regarding Polonization, there were Catholics Belarusians under the Russian Empire, as well as now.
                  By the way, your first president is also Catholic.
                  1. lesnik1978
                    lesnik1978 12 March 2018 17: 42
                    +11
                    We have been living in the Brest region since time immemorial. And I tell you the holy truth. (she's a sticky thing). And under Shushkevich they had enough - he almost forcibly forced them to speak "mov-cow" and the clothes of the cops and the military were in one-on-one as Polish. He stayed in power for a little while, as if he would have written in Latin. At the great-grandfather, the Poles took away half of the land allotment and gave it to the posadnik. In schools, instruction was in Polish. A network of Polish concentration camps (for example, Birch-Kartuzkaya) was spread throughout the West of Belarus. And they burned villages in the east earlier than the Germans. So that it is not necessary to defend. the forests were owned by the Poles, you can't take anything from wood except brushwood. Thanks to the Soviet Power, people learned what a bathhouse and a wooden toilet are (this is me in all seriousness).
            3. avt
              avt 12 March 2018 14: 43
              +3
              Quote: RUSS
              Or is the "Polish campaign of the Red Army" also not an occupation? Liberation?

              Restoration of historical justice following the First World War. Soviet troops entered the Curzon line, which was actually registered in Versailles. Well, really
              Quote: Alexey RA
              For the indigenous population of those lands - liberation.

              Since these lands were lost during the Polish attack on the Soviet Republic in 1919, which ended with the signing of the Peace of Riga in 1921, well, when the congenial commander of all times and peoples, Marshal Misha, pissed off his troops near Warsaw. . When the Baltic was annexed, ALL legal formalities were also observed, and by legal, constitutional bodies not only of the USSR, but also of the Baltic countries, which were de jure confirmed in Helsinki in the year that seems to be 1976 as an agreement on the inviolability of borders with the adjoining USA and Canada.
              1. Fisher martin
                Fisher martin 12 March 2018 15: 01
                +1
                Listen avt this question is not a lot off topic - what do you think Marshal Misha got on the "head off" in 1937, including for the fact that he "successfully" fought near Warsaw?
                1. avt
                  avt 12 March 2018 16: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Marshal Misha received a head-on in 1937, including for the fact that he “successfully” fought near Warsaw?

                  He was forgiven for this, as well as the fact that it was Trotsky's 100% creature. Stalin tolerated his antics as a type of congenial military expert, pressing on Voroshilov's throat. Which of course was devoted to Stalin, but the military was none. Even a sacher with cannons and other exaltation with tankettes instead of cavalry, with "death rays", when they even pushed Axel Berg into the zone, who honestly gave a conclusion that it was impossible to create this wunderwafe under those conditions. specific projects on radar, and during the war! Marshal Misha wasn’t really forgiven for his bellapartism when he lit up in Britain and Germany, having left the route of the trip abroad prescribed by the Central Committee. He was a poser and an artist, played the violin, so he had to remain an artist, but he played the direct role of Buonaparte. Unlike Stalin, who did not portray anyone, but LIVED his life. Stalin calculated the real danger for himself and stopped quickly and effectively. Such were the times - ,, Iron Age, iron hearts " request The fate of the defeated in the country passed through the World War on the 14th with the transition to the Civil War without interruption could not have another fate for the losers and their supporters. And there has never been anywhere in the world in history. As among the Huguenots on St. Bartholomew's Night, when the Catholics were simply ahead of them in Paris, so in the time of Cromwell. Well, the Great French, the closest to the Bolsheviks.
                  1. Conserp
                    Conserp 12 March 2018 21: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    Voroshilov. Which of course was loyal to Stalin, but the military was no

                    Voroshilov (not to mention Budyonny) was a fairly competent commander, even Hitler's generals highly appreciated him.

                    And I read Tukhachevsky - he, it seems, was not only incompetent, but simply mentally ill. Narcissism, megalomania and so on.

                    For such a decision to arrange a putsch and seize power is a completely natural course of events.
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 12 March 2018 15: 11
                0
                Quote: avt
                but also the Baltic countries, which were de jure confirmed in Helsinki in the year, seem to be a 1976 agreement on the inviolability of borders with the adjoining USA and Canada

                In 1960, 1996 and 2005, the Council of Europe in its resolutions characterized the entry of the Baltic states into the USSR as occupation, forced incorporation and annexation. In 1983 and 2005, the European Parliament condemned it, describing the period of the entry of these states into the USSR as Soviet occupation.
                1. Fisher martin
                  Fisher martin 12 March 2018 15: 28
                  +3
                  The Council of Europe has never decided anything. So calm down.
                2. avt
                  avt 12 March 2018 16: 55
                  +5
                  Quote: RUSS
                  In 1983 and 2005 the European Parliament

                  Quote: RUSS
                  Council of Europe

                  What's this ? Are these states? wassat UN members? Look for a solution to the League of Sexual Reforms and their decisions on non-recognition on this issue, but if you don’t find it, they won’t respond, write to Sportloto
                3. papas-57
                  papas-57 12 March 2018 20: 32
                  +4
                  `` In 1960, 1996 and 2005, the Council of Europe, in its resolutions, characterized the entry of the Baltic states into the USSR as occupation, forced incorporation (English) and annexation. '' And why did the representatives of these countries, now members of the Council of Europe, in 1940 put their tongues in ... well and kept silent. It was necessary to comrade Stalin politely to hint that such things are not done in “free Europe”, ask him to remove his troops from there and return the previous government. In hindsight, in the absence of Stalin, everyone became bold. Still, along the way, Mr. Shiklgrubera shamed. And it would be better if their colonies remembered what they were doing there.
                  1. Cetron
                    Cetron 13 March 2018 00: 40
                    +1
                    In 1940, the entire geyropa, except for the Naglosaksaks, was under Hitler.
                    1. papas-57
                      papas-57 13 March 2018 05: 14
                      +3
                      What are you saying, but I didn’t know. Why did the arrogant Saxons keep silent? Oh, they at this time were not up to the Baltic states, they themselves would have survived. And Mr. Schiklgruber also said nothing, he was very busy. And half of France, too, remained silent. And throughout the forties and fifties, all of Europe was silent. And in 1960 they remembered and felt sorry for the poor and tortured inhabitants of the occupied Baltic and a howl began.
            4. Conserp
              Conserp 12 March 2018 15: 30
              +2
              Quote: RUSS
              Or is the "Polish campaign of the Red Army" also not an occupation?


              Return to control of territories that:
              - were internationally recognized belonging to the USSR;
              - were illegally occupied by Poland as a result of the Polish aggression of 1919-1921;
              - had no state power due to the fact that the state of Poland ceased to exist.


              Goebbels concocted many agitations - come on, don’t be shy.
          2. captain
            captain 12 March 2018 20: 26
            +2
            Quote: Conserp
            Quote: Hanokem
            Soviet occupation

            The squalid Nazi troll is squalid.

            If everything was so good in 1939 and then after 1945, then why did the Balts oppose the Soviet regime? Why didn’t they want to be a USSR windbreaker?
        3. MrK
          MrK 12 March 2018 19: 28
          +2
          Quote: Hanokem
          But in the same way, some of the Russians and Ukrainians gladly met the German


          The Jews were especially pleased with the arrival of the fascists.
        4. Megatron
          Megatron 13 March 2018 02: 30
          +1
          . Undoubtedly, some of the Baltic states gladly met the Soviet occupation


          Interestingly, do many Arabs joyfully welcome the Jewish occupation of their land?
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 12 March 2018 06: 56
    +6
    During the German occupation of the Baltic states, it was precisely the thinking part that was destroyed so zealously that the population decreased significantly, I don’t remember in numbers, but even more than in the modern Baltic states, and they were killed and did not leave for * emigration *. Then there was * accession * approved by the absolute majority of the population, it is surprising that most of the * tiligent * also rejoiced and welcomed. There was an opportunity not only to survive but also to live with dignity. There were dissatisfied, who were tried and the most rabid shot. By the way, the number of convicted-shot people and articles on which they were convicted-shot were still not published in the Baltic states. Of course there were not so many of them as those who later served the Nazis, but the writers hired by their masters turned out to be too vociferous and overbearing.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 March 2018 09: 24
      +4
      Quote: Vasily50
      During the German occupation of the Baltic states, it was precisely the thinking part that was destroyed so zealously that the population decreased significantly

      But before that, Stalin “cleaned” the Baltic states.
      June deportation - a series of deportations organized by the authorities of the USSR from May 22 to June 20, 1941 from the western border territories of the country — annexed as a result of the “Polish campaign of the Red Army” on September 1939 and the further accession of the Baltic republics to the USSR.
      And after the war ...
      Great March deportation (Operation Surf) - the deportation of part of the civilian population of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to Siberia and remote areas of the North, organized by the USSR authorities in March 1949, during which 94 people were deported.
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 12 March 2018 10: 00
      +5
      With ..... for whom there is no difference between deportation and murder, what can I say?
      By the way, the Balts were deported by court order and for specific crimes. It is a pity that the Nazi henchmen replaced the execution of deportation.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 March 2018 10: 32
        +3
        Quote: Vasily50
        By the way, the Balts were deported by court order and for specific crimes.

        After the war I agree, many were arrested for the case, "forest brothers", etc., but repressed before the war?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 12 March 2018 10: 53
          +2
          Persons were deported to remote areas of the Soviet Union, mainly to Siberia and Kazakhstan, and they were transported by railway cattle cars. Entire families, including children and the elderly, were deported without a court order and prior notice. According to March 1949, more than 70% of the "special settlers" were women and children under 16 years of age.
          This category of citizens for what sins?
          1. FenrirXnumx
            FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 11: 13
            +4
            Quote: RUSS
            This category of citizens for what sins?

            They must have been socially alien. As a result of the aggravation of the class struggle, they were shaped by the advanced Soviet power where it was supposed to.
          2. Conserp
            Conserp 12 March 2018 12: 52
            +6
            Quote: RUSS
            they were delivered by railway cattle cars

            That is the same warm houses in which my grandfather went to war and from war.

            Poor gobbelsoid.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 12 March 2018 13: 11
              +1
              Quote: Conserp
              That is the same warm houses in which my grandfather went to war and from war.

              So what? What do you mean by that?
              Quote: Conserp
              Poor gobbelsoid.

              Well, you know the truth, but do not forget to remove Soviet noodles from your ears.
              1. Fisher martin
                Fisher martin 12 March 2018 14: 09
                +5
                “So what? What do you want to say by this?” -------- He wanted to say that other countries resorted to this (Operation Wisla, for example). For this time, this was a common occurrence. Families of accomplices of the Nazis and other Forest Brothers were resettled deep into the USSR and this is true. Before the war itself, all suspects were removed from the border areas, in the end there are documents and work on this topic, you can get acquainted. “Well, you know the truth, only do not forget to remove Soviet noodles from your ears” --- First, take the liberal noodles off your ears yourself, and then indicate to others.
                1. FenrirXnumx
                  FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 14: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  For this time, this was a common occurrence.

                  That's right, comrade. For that time, it was commonplace to infringe on entire classes of the population in their rights, to exterminate millions of citizens. Massively shoot, torment, exile to the damn grandmother on ridiculous suspicions.
                  Golden time ...
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    For this time, this was a common occurrence.

                    That's right, comrade. For that time, it was commonplace to infringe on entire classes of the population in their rights, to exterminate millions of citizens. Massively shoot, torment, exile to the damn grandmother on ridiculous suspicions.
                    Golden time ...

                    Modern cheers-patriots believe in those times and regret that today it’s not like under Stalin, but they don’t want to live in those days, a paradox.
                  2. avt
                    avt 12 March 2018 17: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    For that time, it was commonplace to infringe on entire classes of the population in their rights, to exterminate millions of citizens.

                    The Japanese are in concentration camps because the Japanese are unemployed in hard labor .. ehhh labor armies, right after Trotsky, when the salary is $ 25, and on hand $ 5. The rest is deductions for living in tents and feeding. But the roads in the USA, as well as in the Reich, autobahns are built. Sacco and Vanzetti do not remember? Or just do not know? Well, the FBI was simply fired at especially violent FBIs, with the exception of a few indicative processes for intimidation, moreover, according to the lists provided by the emigrating tsarist secret service officers. We learned the October lesson in the USA quite well. Yes and Roosevelt, although a democrat, didn’t make any sentiment.
                    Quote: Fenrir49
                    Golden time ...
                    They snapped at the same time snotting about universal values ​​exclusively guided by the political expediency of the current moment. I don’t even stutter about different comrades of Indians and Negroes, it’s just about pure white free us.
                    1. FenrirXnumx
                      FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 19: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: avt
                      Japanese to concentration camps because Japanese

                      Yes, a dog with them with the Japanese. What are you, red-bellied, so all the blacks and Japanese with the Indians are worried? Can your grandfather be Japanese?
                      My grandfathers were Russian peasants and it bothers me that your brothers took property from them and drove them to the collective farm, after which their villages died - even to the end of owls. authorities did not hold out.
                      But I don’t give a damn about blacks with the Japanese and the world proletariat.
                      1. avt
                        avt 12 March 2018 19: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: Fenrir49
                        Yes, a dog with them with the Japanese. What are you, red-bellied, so all the blacks and Japanese with the Indians are worried? Can your grandfather be Japanese?

                        bully Oh me these bulkers bully As they put his nose into his own puddle, he immediately includes a training manual from Gozman - “I don’t care about others” bully
                        Quote: Fenrir49
                        after which their villages died - even to the end of owls. authorities did not hold out.

                        Because your ancestors see the hunger was drunk and only hobbled on others. My great-grandfather gave EVERYTHING without waiting for dispossession and did not join the collective farm, and raised his children and grandchildren and respected him, lived from the infield and taught the collective farm chairman who had organized and how to work on it in his land.
                      2. RUSS
                        RUSS 12 March 2018 20: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Fenrir49
                        Yes, a dog with them with the Japanese. What are you, red-bellied, so all the blacks and Japanese with the Indians are worried? Can your grandfather be Japanese?

                        All these Japanese and Indians are needed to justify Stalin’s repressions, the logic of the Reds is such that everything is the same with us in the West, only a little wrong, everything is right and everything is right, but they don’t, well, it’s like for example spies, and we have scouts.
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  He wanted to say that other countries resorted to this (the Vistula operation, for example

                  I don't give a fuck what happened in other countries, in America they hang blacks? Why compare the number of victims and repressive methods with someone all the time?
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  First, take off the liberal noodles from your ears, and then point them to others.

                  So these are historical facts recognized by both the Soviet and the new authorities of the country.
                  1. avt
                    avt 12 March 2018 20: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: RUSS
                    I don't give a fuck what happened in other countries, in America they hang blacks? Why compare the number of victims and repressive methods with someone all the time?

                    bully ,, Oh, you're lying! You're lying to the Tsar! "You yourself begin to compare, and when the desired answer does not fit, make a hysterical
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Why all the time with someone to compare the number of victims and repressive methods?

                    This is how this 14th grade, well, Lieutenant Teterin, crucified with his St. Petersburg graduate student in comparing the Gulag with Dachau, laid out references, and how he got THESE references on snot, he fell into the mud. bully
                    Quote: RUSS
                    So these are historical facts recognized by both the Soviet and the new authorities of the country.

                    Only you pick out these facts like raisins from a roll and bites you not like a child, when you are poked with your nose to learn the World as it is, and with reference to the time and the morals of that time - that is, there is a whole roll, and not just one raisin.
                3. tv70
                  tv70 12 March 2018 17: 52
                  +3
                  I also wanted to write about the liberal doshirak, you were ahead of me ...
              2. Conserp
                Conserp 12 March 2018 15: 35
                +2
                Quote: RUSS
                Do not forget to remove Soviet noodles from your ears


                An unfinished fan of Hitler, even for the sake of trolling, cannot restrain himself.

                Nazi slops from the head themselves erupt.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Conserp
                  Hitler's unfinished fan

                  Thank you mixed good
                  And by the way, a completed and unfinished fan is how?
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 12 March 2018 14: 26
            +5
            Quote: RUSS
            Persons were deported to remote areas of the Soviet Union, mainly to Siberia and Kazakhstan, and they were transported by railway cattle cars.

            There were no highly specialized cattle cars at that time. There were covered or normal freight cars, which were originally made with the expectation of transporting people as well. Those famous ones:
            Three tons of fertilizer for enemy fields; Forty little men or eight horses.
            © Hasek
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 48
              +2
              Quote: Alexey RA
              There were no highly specialized cattle cars at that time. There were covered or normal freight cars, which were originally made with the expectation of transporting people as well. Those famous ones:

              In short, we rolled around the country with comfort, so to speak, a tour.
              And especially many in Uzbekistan, not a deportation, but a direct vacation to paradise.
              In general, lucky! One historian made a nonsense of the same crap about the deportation of Chechens, so then he got tired of apologizing to them, personally arriving at laughing "invitation" to the Caucasus.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 12 March 2018 15: 59
                +7
                Quote: RUSS
                In short, we rolled around the country with comfort, so to speak, a tour.

                In short, they rolled like the soldiers of the Red Army, for example. There is no need to transfer the modern realities of Russian Railways to the 30s.
                Quote: RUSS
                Generally lucky! One historian insulted the same crap about the deportation of the Chechens, he licked it, then he was tired of apologizing to them, having personally arrived at the "invitation" to the Caucasus.

                Yes, yes, yes ... that's just the historian who published the documents. And in response he received death threats. Some did not like, for example, reports of gangs led by secretaries of district committees and members of the local NKVD bodies.
                You know, I remember this orgy around Pykhalov. In addition, the historian made a rather peculiar apology:
                “Having studied the history of the Ingush people more deeply, I came to the conclusion that the decision to deport in 1944 was wrong and extremely unfair,” Igor Pykhalov said on camera. - It was possible to deal with the bandits who operated in this territory individually.

                Individual disassembly with bandits in those conditions meant arrest and sending to places not so distant for most of the male population.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Individual showdown with the bandits in those conditions meant arrest and sending to places not so distant for most of the male population.

                  I partially agree that the bandit should be in prison, and further away, but the main thing is the court.
                  But for what old people, women and children in greenhouses in Siberia and Kazakhstan?
                  1. Andrey Grinberg
                    Andrey Grinberg 13 March 2018 01: 35
                    +4
                    Why do Latvian women and children go to Siberia? I will explain from the words of my grandmother. After the war, the Latvian forest brothers ran for another ten years through the forests with machine guns and killed people. One night, such a gang raided their house, where a husband and wife and five children took away everything of value, even children's clothes. And a day later at school, the eldest daughter noticed her new shoes on a girl from the Latvian stream that her father had brought from a big city ...
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 13 March 2018 07: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Andrey Grinberg
                      Why do Latvian women and children go to Siberia? I will explain from the words of my grandmother. After the war, the Latvian forest brothers ran for another ten years through the forests with machine guns and killed people. One night, such a gang raided their house, where a husband and wife and five children took away everything of value, even children's clothes. And a day later at school, the eldest daughter noticed her new shoes on a girl from the Latvian stream that her father had brought from a big city ...

                      I say there were animals, they took them to Siberia by the shoes, like inhumans!
              2. avt
                avt 12 March 2018 20: 09
                +3
                Quote: RUSS
                In short, we rolled around the country with comfort, so to speak, a tour

                And for ,, Stolypin wagon "the monarchy newcomers of the Proletarsky district weakly the same thing? Well, anger about a cattle truck ignite ?? How is it? Did you move reserved seats?
                In 1908, the most ordinary freight cars were adapted for the transportation of numerous immigrants traveling to Siberia and the Far East. Since the initiator of the mass resettlement was P.A. Stolypin, these advanced cars began to be called "Stolypin." Mass production of "Stolypin" type cars fell on 1910.

                Such a car, of course, did not provide an opportunity for a comfortable journey, but it could accommodate the settlers with their simple property. In the rear of the freight cars, special compartments were equipped where livestock and agricultural equipment could be transported. There were few conveniences, but the peasants, who were accustomed to living in harsh conditions, did not consider moving in the Stolypin carriage to be something terrible. Moreover, travel to a new place of residence was free.
        2. jrvp79
          jrvp79 12 March 2018 20: 59
          +2
          And before the war, there were purges throughout the Union and they concerned mainly the fifth column and all kinds of Trotskyists, Jews and ardent nationalists, minions of the west and their special services. Now it would not hurt to repeat this procedure in Russia itself, only there is no one yet.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 13 March 2018 07: 11
            0
            Quote: jrvp79
            Union and they mainly concerned the fifth column and all sorts of Trotskyists, Jews and ardent nationalists, henchmen of the West and their special services.

            They took away competitors, but as for the spies, it’s a lot of fun.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 12 March 2018 11: 13
        +5
        for the close
        In the Baltics before WWI, one third of the population was * RUSSIAN *. After * gaining independence * the Balts finished off all * RUSSIAN-speaking *, destroyed both adults and children and men and women. In Lithuania-Latvia-Estonia, there were regimes with Nazi ideology. Concentration camps for RUSSIANS were quite official. What the Balts did to the Jews from 1941 to 1944 is just a repetition of what they did to the RUSSIANS. But there were much more RUSSIANS in the Baltics than Jews, the booty from those ethnic cleansing is still sold by the Balts under the guise of antiques.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 March 2018 06: 59
    +7
    Of course, part of the population of the Baltic States, and a large one, welcomed the entry into the USSR,
    But it is also a fact that after a few decades most of it did not want to be in it. request
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 March 2018 07: 03
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      But it is also a fact that after a few decades most of it did not want to be in it.

      I will say more, the part of the population that moved there from the interior of Russia did not want to live in it, but how many of them are now happy?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 12 March 2018 07: 23
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        I will say morethat part of the population that moved there from the interior of Russia did not want to live in it eitherbut how many of them are happy now?

        There are such, but they are few and they have always been considered geeks among the Russian-speaking.
        It is they who live well, making Russophobia their well-paid profession ...
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 12 March 2018 07: 47
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        I will say more, the part of the population that moved there from the interior of Russia did not want to live in it, but how many of them are now happy?

        Likewise, the enterprises of the Baltic states, which were advanced in the USSR, have now either disappeared or fled abroad. “Those few high-tech enterprises that then, in the early 90s, managed to avoid death, still work fine. I have a good example before my eyes: the Pegelman electrical plant in Tallinn, they mainly made microelectronics for the military industry. In the hard times, they managed to privatize and save their design bureau.There were only fifty people working there, but they created products that were in great demand - they were ordered various developments by Nokia, Motorola.Now the former design bureau of the Soviet Pegelman plant has moved to the USA, to Silicon Valley. My relatives, engineers, create microcircuits for iPhones and make very good money, "Alekseev emphasizes.
        RIA News https://ria.ru/world/20171223/1511524024.html
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 March 2018 07: 55
          +4
          Quote: Amurets
          And they managed to privatize and save their design bureau in the hard times. Only about fifty people worked there, but they created products that were in great demand.

          It happened in different ways: in Moldova, for example, the same design bureau (microelectronics) and the plant under it still work on orders ...MO of Russia. yes
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 March 2018 12: 38
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            It happened in different ways: in Moldova, for example, the same design bureau (microelectronics) and the plant under it are still working on orders ... of the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

            For how long?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 12 March 2018 13: 14
              +3
              Quote: svp67
              For how long?

              The situation is amazing: they survived with difficulty, then continued and now they have been successfully working for years ten.. Although such firms should only work in Russia.
      3. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. 12 March 2018 10: 22
        +5
        You are very lucky that you are sitting in Russia and did not get to the baltics by distribution. and then you never had a chance to come back! As, for example, our Russian neighbors, both of them from the orphanage and they simply have no place to return! But we had it and we returned! You probably have little idea how much it costs to move from one country to another and what emigration is! I can imagine what it is (and it was easier for our family, because there was where to go). Of course, there were those who welcomed the secession, just as there were opponents among the Estonians !!!
        Does it depend on what you mean by happiness?
        but judging by the relationship with the Russian Balts, you cannot call them unhappy, just as you can call her unhappy and me who moved from the Baltics to Russia!
        , I think your conversation is about that. that the Russians did not want to live in with Russia and welcomed the independence of Estonia is caused by the fact that they need to somehow justify themselves, at least in front of their conscience, for the abandoned Russians in the Baltic states. Central Asia. and other republics of the Union !!!! You can not make excuses, I think that the Russians in the Baltics understand. what caused it !!! Just do not write nonsense, especially on the site where there are many living witnesses how and what happened !!!
    2. frols
      frols 12 March 2018 18: 55
      0
      Lies
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%
      D1%81%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%80%
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      D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0
    3. jrvp79
      jrvp79 12 March 2018 21: 09
      +2
      And the Balts themselves never want anything. What they say to them is what they want. They have not had a voice for a long time. The voice appears when they are under the umbrella of Russia or the West.
  4. Vard
    Vard 12 March 2018 07: 25
    +9
    I studied at the technical school ... we had a military officer ... before the war he served in the Baltic States ... He told me ... the recruits came barefoot ... many of them ate meat in the army for the first time in their lives ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 March 2018 07: 55
      +8
      Quote: Vard
      He told me ... the conscripts came barefoot ... it was in the army that many ate meat for the first time in their lives ...

      Yes, three times a day, but went to sleep on white sheets ... it was like that, but who will remember it now. Well this was all "from under the Russian stick" ...
    2. MrK
      MrK 12 March 2018 20: 32
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      many meat was eaten in the army for the first time in my life ...


      17 years lived in Latvia. He served there until the withdrawal of troops. Familiar with many Latvians. The Latvian, the old grandfather, after a glass, recalled life before the "occupation" by Soviet troops. And he said this: All the wealth of a simple Latvian is a member and a soul.
  5. Serge Gorely
    Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 07: 31
    +9
    Another mantra "ONE we are very, very, very, very much loved, only their rule is bad" !!! Well, like Bulgarians, Montenegrins and Ukrainians who joined them.
    1. Rastas
      Rastas 12 March 2018 20: 51
      +3
      But they really are not bad people. My cousin brother ended up in the Soviet army, he served with the Balts, good guys, executive, responsible, although the farm at first seemed withdrawn. And there have never been conflicts with them over the "occupation".
      1. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 13 March 2018 11: 07
        0
        Quote: Rastas
        But they really are not bad people. My cousin brother ended up in the Soviet army, he served with the Balts, good guys, executive, responsible, although the farm at first seemed withdrawn. And there have never been conflicts with them over the "occupation".

        The Germans are just wonderful people. Children are loved. The soldiers are executive ...
  6. nivander
    nivander 12 March 2018 07: 43
    +30
    my grandfather Martin Alex Von Thausen was born in Tukkum in 1905, in 1930 he graduated with honors from the prestigious Railway Academy (named after Her Majesty Leopold blah blah blah) in Ghent and barely got a job as a junior dispatcher in the port of Riga. In 1935 he was almost fired (not a Latvian !! !) - had to change his last name to Tausin. By 1940 he had grown to just a dispatcher with a salary of 120 lats, lived in a one-room rented apartment with his wife (my grandmother) and two daughters (my aunts). When the Soviets came, the musty swamp turned into By the way, everyone remained in their places, but the new heads of the HR departments carefully looked through all the cases. The grandfather was summoned to the OK and bluntly stated that he did not correspond to his position, they say that yellow-haired graduates of the Zhytomyr railway technical school easily do this work. and showed a list of 500 !! vacancies of the level of the head of the distance, the head of workshops, etc., etc., with a salary of 500 to 1500 rubles with an apartment and a garden (the blue dream of a grandmother and her mother and grandfather's mother). L !!! the position of deputy director of the Novosibirsk distance with a salary of 900 rubles + allowances and bonuses with an office in the center of Novosibirsk - a plot of land and a house he bought in October 1940 in taking an interest-free loan from the State Bank. Mamulya was born in February 1941. When the war began, my grandfather was immediately provided In 1942, my grandfather volunteered for the 6th Stalin Corps, but he was quickly figured out and sent to the 9th railway brigade of the Volkhov Front. Lieutenant Mikhail Alekseevich Tausnev, technician, died on August 31, 1943 during the construction of a bridge across the Nazia River ( bombing).
  7. FenrirXnumx
    FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 08: 25
    +5
    I suggest the author consider some more topics:
    Why did Finland welcome Soviet power without joy?
    Why did Czechoslovakia welcome the Nazi government with joy?
    Why did the Baltic States gladly meet the Nazi government?
    Why did Hungary welcome Soviet power without joy?
    etc...
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 12 March 2018 08: 38
      +16
      Quote: Fenrir49
      I suggest the author consider some more topics:

      Well, write yourself, why transfer to other io repeat
      1. FenrirXnumx
        FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 09: 32
        +2
        Quote: vlad66
        Quote: Fenrir49
        I suggest the author consider some more topics:

        Well, write yourself, why transfer to other io repeat

        I have no such talents, dear man ... But I can tell you. The themes are as "fertile" as the current one.
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 12 March 2018 10: 22
          +6
          Quote: Fenrir49
          I have no such talents, dear man ... But I can tell you. The themes are as "fertile" as the current one.

          Many who can give tips to those, but you yourself try and write or are afraid that the commentators will smash, so that's the forum to discuss. The article will be published on VO or a new site has been opened by a reporter, many are published, unless of course there is no outright Russophobia. hi
          1. FenrirXnumx
            FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 11: 22
            +5
            Quote: vlad66
            I eat a lot of people who can prompt, but you yourself try

            I, comrade, generally suggest that the message of this article is false. And the Balts for the most part welcomed the owls. power as well as the Finns in the Winter War. It's just that the last opportunity had more to "greet" the Bolsheviks from the heart.
            And write similar articles, i.e. knowingly lying is not at all good.
            1. frols
              frols 12 March 2018 19: 02
              0
              Well, you know better from there, but my relatives told me that they were very well received.
              1. FenrirXnumx
                FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 19: 19
                +2
                Quote: frols
                Well, you know better from there

                I am from Russia and I can see everything.
                Quote: frols
                my relatives told

                Well, your relatives, I believe, were members of the CPSU (b) or sympathizers. Therefore, supporting the party line, they could easily tell you anything, for example - "what Grishka Otrepiev and Father Varlaam talked about on the Lithuanian border."
                which was very well received.

                So good that soon the SS and the Wehrmacht did not end up with volunteers from the Baltic states.
                1. Rastas
                  Rastas 12 March 2018 20: 53
                  +3
                  The Balts, who fought in the Red Army, were many times more. It's just that it is not customary to remember this today, so as not to spoil the myth about the occupation.
                  1. FenrirXnumx
                    FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 21: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Rastas
                    The Balts, who fought in the Red Army, were many times more

                    In total, over 70 thousand Estonians have visited the ranks of the Wehrmacht accomplices during the war.

                    After both divisions were formed and concentrated at the front line, an order was received from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to form the 8th Estonian Rifle Corps. At the end of 1942, the Estonian military units numbered 27.

                    Even if the Estonian units in the Red Army renewed their composition completely every year (which is unlikely), there were many times more Estonians in the spacecraft.
                    And if you face the truth, then in the Wehrmacht (including the SS) during the war there were more Estonians than in the spacecraft.
                    Plus, then they caught the forest brothers for many years. And they didn't catch everyone, of course.
                    So you are not telling the truth.
                2. frols
                  frols 12 March 2018 21: 59
                  0
                  Well, I tell him the big giraffe knows better. Just learn the story and in general everything will be fine.
        2. Luga
          Luga 12 March 2018 11: 33
          +3
          Quote: Fenrir49
          I don’t have such talents, dear man ... But I can tell you. Themes are as gracious as the current one.

          Here is another topic for writing an article:
          "Lack of" talent "as a reason for excessive sarcasticity" smile
          1. FenrirXnumx
            FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 14: 22
            +4
            Quote: Luga
            Here is another topic for writing an article:
            "Lack of" talent "as a reason for excessive sarcasticity"

            By the way, especially for you, I saved the best topic for the most promising article.
            Here it is - "Why did the Russian peasant want to join the collective farm?" laughing
            Use on health.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 12 March 2018 12: 59
      +1
      Why is a neo-Nazi FenrirXnumx so poorly lying?
      1. FenrirXnumx
        FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 13: 11
        +3
        Quote: Conserp
        Why is the neo-Nazi Fenrir49 lying so poorly?

        Who are you asking, "comrade"? smile
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        2. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin 12 March 2018 14: 16
          +1
          Fenrir49 He means you. :)
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 41
          -1
          Quote: Fenrir49
          Quote: Conserp
          Why is the neo-Nazi Fenrir49 lying so poorly?

          Who are you asking, "comrade"? smile

          He needs the support of like-minded people, apparently asking them.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 12 March 2018 13: 13
        +2
        Quote: Conserp
        Why is a neo-Nazi FenrirXnumx so poorly lying?

        There must be good reason for such accusations, you only have water and empty bullshit like a bazaar woman.
        1. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin 12 March 2018 14: 19
          +1
          “There must be good reason for such accusations, you only have water and nonsense like a bazaar woman.” - He has such grounds and one of them is a distortion of facts and a banal ignorance of history. It concerns you too.
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 51
            +1
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            It concerns you too.

            Do not poke the young man.
        2. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin 12 March 2018 14: 44
          +2
          "There must be good reason for such accusations, you only have water and nonsense like a bazaar woman." - Conserp has such grounds. One of them is that you, that your rational brother Fenrir49 do not know their stories. You only have a set of stamps in Bosch and nothing more.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 12 March 2018 15: 37
            +1
            A set of stamps, which is characteristic, is purely from Nazi propaganda agitation.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 42
              +1
              Quote: Conserp
              A set of stamps, which is characteristic, is purely from Nazi propaganda agitation.

              Are there such agitation? Drop the link please.
        3. frols
          frols 12 March 2018 19: 11
          +1
          Well, after your references to the most “honest” Council of Europe and the European Parliament, it’s useless to argue. Probably I’ve scribbled occupation manuals in our museums, but now you’re spying, as you wrote. Are you not going to visit Riga on March 16?
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    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 March 2018 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Fenrir49
      Why did Czechoslovakia welcome the Nazi government with joy?

      Heh heh heh ... it’s just right to write “Why did Czechoslovakia gladly welcome any newcomers?” smile
  8. zoolu350
    zoolu350 12 March 2018 10: 19
    +12
    The Baltic states that separated from the Republic of Ingushetia under capitalism turned into standard peripheral garbage dumps, where 5% of the local oligarchy and close slaves live well, while the rest eke out a miserable existence (as the Russian Federation recalls). When entering the USSR, these territories were turned into a window of socialism, at the expense of the resources of the rest of the USSR. With the growth of nationalist sentiments in the 80s, the Balts decided that since they live better than everyone else in the USSR, then without the USSR they will live even better, but again they turned into standard peripheral capitalist garbage dumps. The circle is closed.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 12 March 2018 11: 04
      +1
      Circle closed

      The movement in a circle continues. When will the Balts again be asked for by the arm of Russia?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 March 2018 11: 32
        +2
        Quote: glory1974
        Circle closed

        The movement in a circle continues. When will the Balts again be asked for by the arm of Russia?

        And they once asked?
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 12 March 2018 13: 03
          +1
          Have you read the article?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 12 March 2018 13: 13
            +1
            Quote: glory1974
            Have you read the article?

            An article that is based on facts and archives?
            1. Fisher martin
              Fisher martin 12 March 2018 14: 22
              +5
              Yes, on the facts and in the archives. And what is said here is far from a lie. If you and your siblings like Fenrir49 aren't happy with it, it's your problem.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 53
                +2
                Quote: Fisher Martin
                Yes, on the facts and in the archives. And what is said here is far from a lie. If you and your siblings like Fenrir49 aren't happy with it, it's your problem.

                You drive an eccentric, where do you see in the article links to historical documents and the archive?
                And that which does not suit someone, you can tell your wife, okay? And here is the forum and we say and write what we consider necessary.
  9. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 12 March 2018 10: 33
    +4
    met differently in the Baltic states! us Estonian grandfather. a participant in the events said that at 40 Estonians were happy about the USSR., but on the other hand there were stories about shooting at night, and how to combine that a year passed and the Baltic states also selflessly met the Nazis and trampled on all kinds of sonders and waffen.
    And this Baltic was needed to the Soviet Union. only because of the islands and the monzund. and so the burden!
    It is interesting to read about the fact that the Baltic Army did not resist !! the author needs to list the composition, the whole of the Baltic states and the geographical characteristics of the countries. and understand that there will not be a chance to defend there for a long time, but a sabotage war will turn out. which we can observe on the example of the struggle of the Soviet Union with the "forest brothers".
    The Finns had something to cling to and resisted, otherwise we would also have watched posters demanding that Finland be annexed to the USSR.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 March 2018 14: 53
      +3
      Quote: K.A.S.
      The Finns had something to cling to and they resisted

      And three times for sure!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 March 2018 16: 04
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        And three times for sure!

        Once. The first two wars of the Finns and their accomplices had to be knocked out of the territories occupied by them. And for the fourth time, our troops calmly passed through the line of fortifications and stopped only by order.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 12 March 2018 16: 43
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And for the fourth time, our troops calmly passed through the line of fortifications and stopped only by order.

          This is when the Finns of Germany declared war?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 13 March 2018 10: 14
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            This is when the Finns of Germany declared war?

            Well, yes ... of course, the picture was surreal - Finnish troops, with the support of Soviet aviation, beat off the landing of the German landing force (Operation Tanne Ost). smile
  10. BAI
    BAI 12 March 2018 10: 34
    +3
    A significant part of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians was greeted by Soviet soldiers with flowers, and this is not Soviet propaganda, but a historical fact.

    But after 2 years they met the Germans with flowers. And this is also a fact.

    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 March 2018 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: BAI
      But after 2 years they met the Germans with flowers. And this is also a fact.

      My father, respectively, served under the USSR in Lithuania near Šiauliai, so Soviet soldiers in military uniforms didn’t sell the goods in many stores, a minimum of citizens gathered for rallies and processions on May 9 and May XNUMX, and some Lithuanians were not afraid to go with placards “Russians and Jews” the whole sausage was eaten, "attacks on guards in order to seize weapons were also not uncommon.
    2. Rastas
      Rastas 12 March 2018 20: 59
      +3
      In childhood, a very good series “Long Road in the Dunes” was shown on TV. Two Latvia were shown there exactly - one Soviet, the other Nazi.
    3. jrvp79
      jrvp79 12 March 2018 21: 53
      +1
      And where did they go ?? They would have bucked, so immediately they would have disappeared in concentration camps and hard labor in Germany !! They were slaves in generations even before RI, They are giving voice now, well, this is on command, try to disobey !!
  11. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 12 March 2018 11: 04
    +6
    Why did the Baltic States welcome the Soviet power? Yes, because the part that was in poverty saw an opportunity to improve their lives. Why is it the turn of those who want to dump the world in the USA? Why did the Germans from the German Democratic Republic at risk for their lives flee to western Germany? Why are crowds of refugees rushing to Europe? Yes, all the same.
    Why did the Soviet Union collapse? Yes, because he paid little attention to the material part of the life of the people. Yes, there was a lot of good - education, security. But a person is never satisfied with what has been achieved, striving to get even more. Therefore, unlike other species, it reigns on the Earth.
    No curtains could stop it. Fashion magazines, car booklets imported into the country, and even films permitted by the authorities, showed life beyond the hill. Yes, there were flaws there, but who thought about it. Too late, the authorities at that time realized this problem. They built car factories, cars in larger numbers began to enter the market. But it was too late.
    In my opinion, N. Khrushchev dealt a blow to the authorities with his exposure of the so-called "cult of power." So power is always a cult! He agitated the people, the system of communist relations in the world (problems with China and the Warsaw Treaty members), he essentially condemned Stalin, did nothing for the victims. But the country came into turbulence and the subsequent leaders could not do anything. And not only that. He began to struggle with the plots of collective farmers, ridiculous norms for poultry and livestock in the household. Then the authorities allowed to build garden houses, allocating plots of 6 hundred, often in wetlands. They made people demolish garages and outbuildings.
    Now after the 90th, people were allowed to buy land, build houses. Machines clogged all the yards. They go abroad without any problems. It remains to resolve issues of decent wages and pensions.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 March 2018 11: 43
      +3
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      In my opinion, N. Khrushchev dealt a blow to the authorities with his exposure of the so-called "cult of power." So power is always a cult!

      Well, maybe the Bantu people have power and cult, but we do not.
      And as for the revelation of Khrushchev Stalin, no one said a word across to him, nor did anyone stand up for Stalin’s honor. The people after Stalin sighed, though the receiver was not the best to put it mildly ... as well as the subsequent ones .... but I don’t think it was necessary to say how it ended.
    2. Chaos
      Chaos 12 March 2018 11: 51
      +3
      For medium and small enterprises, the issue of decent salaries can never be solved. So do not grind nonsense. What needs to be done is to produce consumer goods that are competitive in the world market, the best in the world in terms of both wrapper and quality. Be able to present and sell them. There is no other way for us ... there is a stop in the commune))
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 12 March 2018 12: 00
    +2
    And in the Second World War, they actively shot in the back of the retreating Red Army. There are many references to this in literature, and even more in the memoirs of war veterans. I remember in my childhood I watched some kind of x / f and there they showed how theirs nationalists shot with in our
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 12: 42
      +2
      I can say honestly: I have a birth certificate in Estonian and Russian (USSR). Tat, here, in Gdansk I feel much more comfortable (the Poles do not like Russia, but they treat Russians normally) than in Tallinn. I visit these cities annually.
  13. Serge Gorely
    Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 12: 44
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Yes, three times a day, but went to sleep on white sheets ... it was like that, but who will remember it now. Well this was all "from under the Russian stick" ...

    This was a blatant invasion of personal space and the undermining of national traditions !!!
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  15. Palagecha
    Palagecha 12 March 2018 16: 04
    +4
    I read the article. It is as if it was written about our present life, but in the Russian Federation. Only here the Soviet government and the Red Army do not go ...
    1. jrvp79
      jrvp79 12 March 2018 22: 05
      +1
      Do not rely on the army for collapse and it won’t be able to carry out such an order, even if it does. It can still fight with terrorists, and can’t cope with such a horror as in World War II.
  16. FenrirXnumx
    FenrirXnumx 12 March 2018 20: 25
    +3
    avt,
    Well, I went to dance, province. smile The old song of any leftism was delayed- Gozmans, white painters, bulk, socialism, capitalism, blacks, Japanese ..
    Push this bullshit to your party members - but to me, that Gozman, that Dzhugashvili with Bronstein ...
    My great-grandfather gave EVERYTHING without waiting for dispossession

    And what did the Bolsheviks dispossess themselves of whom? I thought it was a lie and libel by the white-collar workers.
    Reading your opus, it always seemed to me that you had a cerebellum crushed in childhood laughing Am I wrong?
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  18. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 13 March 2018 00: 03
    +1
    Quote: Hanokem
    An article from the "alternative history" series. Undoubtedly, some of the Baltic states gladly met the Soviet occupation. But in the same way, some part of the Russians and Ukrainians gladly met the German invaders in 1941-1942.

    No need to defame the story.
    There was no Soviet occupation!
    The new governments lifted bans on the activities of the communist parties and the holding of demonstrations, released political prisoners and scheduled early parliamentary elections. In the elections held on July 14 in all three states, the pro-communist Blocs (Unions) of the working people won - the only electoral lists allowed for the election [3] [53]. According to official data, in Estonia the turnout was 84,1%, while 92,8% of the vote was cast for the Union of Working People [54], in Lithuania the turnout was 95,51%, of which 99,19% voted for the Union of Working People [55], the turnout in Latvia was 94,8%, 97,8% of the vote was cast for the Labor People Bloc. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%
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    One can argue about the degree of democracy in those elections, but one cannot deny that they were.
    Information about the "repression":
    In the Baltic republics just before the start of the war, the operation to evict the “unreliable and counter-revolutionary element” was completed - a little more than 10 thousand people were expelled from Estonia, about 17,5 thousand from Lithuania, and from Latvia, according to various estimates, from 15,4 to 16,5 thousand people. This operation was completed by June 21, 1941.
    And not hundreds of millions, as poor liberals like to shout.
    Now about the meeting of the invaders by the Soviet population.
    Any nation has had and will be people offended by power.
    Yes, the Germans gladly met the Tatars in the Crimea (they presented Manstein with a silver rod).
    Yes, Western Ukrainians adopted a new German order.
    Yes, Jews in the ghetto performed police functions, and in concentration camps they worked in crematoria (Kapo).
    "Camp kapos, mostly Jews, beat Belarusians and Ukrainians imprisoned to death for any wrongdoing." http://holocaustrevisionism.blogspot.ru/2012/06/b
    log-post_4111.html? m = 1

    And some were so "distinguished" in the service of the Third Reich that they were damned forever (Stella Goldschlag-surrendered from 600 to 3000 Jews to the Berlin Gestapo). http://www.dal.by/news/174/12-09-12-43/
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 13 March 2018 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      from Estonia a little more than 10 thousand people were expelled, from Lithuania - about 17,5 thousand, from Latvia - according to various estimates, from 15,4 to 16,5 thousand people. This operation was completed by June 21, 1941.
      And not hundreds of millions, as poor liberals like to shout.


      Is this legal?
      That is, 15-17 thousand is not much.
  19. Andrey Grinberg
    Andrey Grinberg 13 March 2018 02: 27
    +4
    I read the comments and again came to the conclusion that almost all Russians do not know the history of their country and their people. When I show a photograph of the monument of Peter the Great in the center of Riga at the beginning of the 20th century, this photoshop answers me. They come to Riga as tourists and are surprised that everyone here speaks Russian (40% of Russians are here). And when you begin to explain that for 300 years it was Russian land, with Russian plants and factories, ports and a railway, and most importantly, the Russian population, and just decided to give all this to the swineherd tribes for looting and abuse? .. Russians immediately get offended and try find an excuse for this betrayal. We are Russians in the Baltic states, we have been living in occupation for 30 years, in the conditions of ethnic genocide, but we are still fighting for our rights and the Russian language at the very epicenter of modern Nazism and believe in our victory.
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 13 March 2018 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Grinberg
      I read the comments and again came to the conclusion that almost all Russians do not know the history of their country and their people. When I show a photograph of the monument of Peter the Great in the center of Riga at the beginning of the 20th century, this photoshop answers me. They come to Riga as tourists and are surprised that everyone here speaks Russian (40% of Russians are here). And when you begin to explain that for 300 years it was Russian land, with Russian plants and factories, ports and a railway, and most importantly, the Russian population, and just decided to give all this to the swineherd tribes for looting and abuse? .. Russians immediately get offended and try find an excuse for this betrayal. We are Russians in the Baltic states, we have been living in occupation for 30 years, in the conditions of ethnic genocide, but we are still fighting for our rights and the Russian language at the very epicenter of modern Nazism and believe in our victory.

      When the Sayudis and other evil spirits campaigned for leaving the USSR during the perestroika, only the families of military personnel protested. But the Russian-speaking population, permanently residing in the Baltic states, the bulk were FOR the exit. And the fact that Natsik threw you then-so the sucker has such a fate.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 13 March 2018 12: 38
        +1
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        When the Sayudis and other evil spirits campaigned for leaving the USSR during the perestroika, only the families of military personnel protested. But the Russian-speaking population, permanently residing in the Baltic states, the bulk were FOR the exit. And the fact that Natsik threw you then-so the sucker has such a fate.

        There was a case, but then the Russian-speaking people said that they had been deceived, and yet, together with the Balts, they held hands and held in the famous rally on August 23, 1989 under the name “The Baltic Way”.
  20. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 13 March 2018 10: 09
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    For a start, look at the years of creation of the UPA and OUN and their goals, before saying that we inherited them.

    OUN (spawned UPA) was established in 1929.
  21. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 13 March 2018 13: 53
    +1
    Today, in all the Baltic states without exception, the events of that time are perceived and evaluated unambiguously - as the Soviet occupation, a great national tragedy. Entire myths have been created about how the Soviet Union treacherously occupied the Baltic republics, liquidated their political systems, destroyed officers, officials and entrepreneurs and established a rigid dictatorship. But these are modern and very tendentious assessments, reflecting the point of view of certain segments of the population of these countries


    Or not treacherous? Or are myths not whole? Or did not repress officers, officials, priests?
    They were confronted with the fact of either occupation or war ... To fight? The Baltic states had no chance.
    Having experienced the delights of the Gulag, having lost the land of freedom - we realized that this was occupation.
    .
    I don’t understand the logic of the authors of such articles - rejoice at the “Soviet” parish, otherwise it would be worse.

    Yes, they walked with their Baltic micro-popuassia forest - let African refugees be accommodated at the behest of Brussels, smoke sprats and place the base of "American tourists" to protect themselves from their eastern neighbor. The neighbor is so "scary" that he does not notice the attempts of local democrats to "bubble" with their independence.
  22. Andrey Grinberg
    Andrey Grinberg 13 March 2018 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Serge Gorely
    Quote: Andrey Grinberg
    I read the comments and again came to the conclusion that almost all Russians do not know the history of their country and their people. When I show a photograph of the monument of Peter the Great in the center of Riga at the beginning of the 20th century, this photoshop answers me. They come to Riga as tourists and are surprised that everyone here speaks Russian (40% of Russians are here). And when you begin to explain that for 300 years it was Russian land, with Russian plants and factories, ports and a railway, and most importantly, the Russian population, and just decided to give all this to the swineherd tribes for looting and abuse? .. Russians immediately get offended and try find an excuse for this betrayal. We are Russians in the Baltic states, we have been living in occupation for 30 years, in the conditions of ethnic genocide, but we are still fighting for our rights and the Russian language at the very epicenter of modern Nazism and believe in our victory.

    When the Sayudis and other evil spirits campaigned for leaving the USSR during the perestroika, only the families of military personnel protested. But the Russian-speaking population, permanently residing in the Baltic states, the bulk were FOR the exit. And the fact that Natsik threw you then-so the sucker has such a fate.
  23. Andrey Grinberg
    Andrey Grinberg 13 March 2018 14: 57
    +1
    Quote: Serge Gorely
    Quote: Andrey Grinberg
    I read the comments and again came to the conclusion that almost all Russians do not know the history of their country and their people. When I show a photograph of the monument of Peter the Great in the center of Riga at the beginning of the 20th century, this photoshop answers me. They come to Riga as tourists and are surprised that everyone here speaks Russian (40% of Russians are here). And when you begin to explain that for 300 years it was Russian land, with Russian plants and factories, ports and a railway, and most importantly, the Russian population, and just decided to give all this to the swineherd tribes for looting and abuse? .. Russians immediately get offended and try find an excuse for this betrayal. We are Russians in the Baltic states, we have been living in occupation for 30 years, in the conditions of ethnic genocide, but we are still fighting for our rights and the Russian language at the very epicenter of modern Nazism and believe in our victory.

    When the Sayudis and other evil spirits campaigned for leaving the USSR during the perestroika, only the families of military personnel protested. But the Russian-speaking population, permanently residing in the Baltic states, the bulk were FOR the exit. And the fact that Natsik threw you then-so the sucker has such a fate.

    Most Russians were not for the exit, do not lie. Especially the Russians living here for many generations voted against, because they remembered the pre-war years of their independence, Nazism and discrimination. You believed it, believed the propaganda of the enemy and gave your land and part of your people without resistance, so who then is a sucker?
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 14 March 2018 12: 57
      +1
      Most Russians were not for the exit, do not lie. Especially the Russians living here for many generations voted against, because they remembered the pre-war years of their independence, Nazism and discrimination. You believed it, believed the propaganda of the enemy and gave your land and part of your people without resistance, so who then is a sucker?
      An example of Transnistria is an example to you. You did not want to defend your freedom. They believed promises in a sweet life. Typical behavior of a sucker. The fact that I am not in the subject was born in Tallinn, the ESSR. Perestroika conversations of "local" Russians in my opinion. I hear current complaints and nagging constantly. And yes. I come to Tallinn a couple of times a year - it's beautiful and there is where to relax.
  24. Cetron
    Cetron 13 March 2018 19: 56
    +3
    When people talk about deportations in Latvia in 1941 and 1949, the last 30 years have been lying a lot. On June 14, the 41st was actually not deportation but the evacuation of civilians from the area of ​​the upcoming databases, a week before the war, they were taken to the Kirov region. For some reason everyone forgets to look at the map of 1941, with whom was the border of the Latvian SSR? In Kurzeme with Germany (present Klaipeda (Memel) territory of East Prussia). 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX German artillery fired on Liepaja from its territory.
    On March 16, 1946, all legionnaires who were not involved in war crimes (or were not proven) were amnestied and released home to raise the national economy, someone turned out to be implacable, collectivization began in 1949 - they showed their hostility, went to Siberia for re-education. Many have stayed there, do not want to return for any carriages. Local authorities consider them dangerous (not real Latvians), only escaped SS sheep and their descendants from the west (preferably the countries of the old NATO) are considered real.
  25. Snoop
    Snoop 15 March 2018 02: 56
    +1
    Regarding the Polish campaign of the Red Army. Really freed. And they lived there not very well with the Poles. A few years ago I had an old client, I used to live in Western Belarus. As a teenager she participated in the partisan movement. Well, I wrote her a statement establishing the fact of participation in the partisan movement. She won the court, as in the second instance, although the representative of the military enlistment office was against it. She invited me - pulled out a tincture, to celebrate. And she began to talk about life-being. When Soviet power was established, after some time a young teacher was brought to their village. And on the banks of the woman's clothes they rinse, and the teacher also launders. So the locals came up to her and asked what she was doing. And she soaped the laundry. The locals did not know what laundry soap is! Grandma still explained how they used to wash, I still remember her words - about the stone and the stone. The kingdom of heaven to her ... has already died ... at least as a war veteran managed to get an apartment.
  26. Snoop
    Snoop 15 March 2018 03: 14
    +1
    But about Moldova, recalls a war veteran (sniper) Vakarov Konstantin
    Alexandrovich on the site "I remember":
    But did you personally rejoice at the arrival of the Red Army ?:

    Of course, because literally right away I felt like a normal person. Tankers drove into our street, and it struck me how respectful they were to us. Mom fed them, washed their underwear, and they gave some money in gratitude for this. In terms of numbers, although a little, it struck us that you can buy a lot of things.

    So the relationship between people has become completely different. After all, when they talk respectfully with you, then you begin to relate to yourself in a completely different way. Even the appeal itself - comrade, how proudly it sounded ... And in material terms it became much easier, so for the first time in our life we ​​were able to dress up normally. What are you, I felt like a MAN, therefore, I became a fiery patriot of the Soviet government, although before I was absolutely far from politics.

    How was the year under Soviet rule ?:

    Like all good things flew almost instantly. I continued to work all in the same patisserie as with the Romanians, but a completely different life began. And the salary is normal, and on time, so no comparison with life under the Romanians.